WEBVTT - Pro Boxer Liam Paro on Fighting for a World Title, Redemption & Dealing with Adversity 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.800 Len Para, stay talk. 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.160 Mate, thank you, thanks for having me. It's a true pleasure. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:05.320 He are you feeling your prep? 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.160 Feeling really good? Of couse, I'd come miss this opportunity, mate, 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.360 So you're ready, ready to make history and hopefully join 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.200 the likes of the great Jeff Finick in the same 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.880 sentence as two division champions. So yeah, just excited. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.720 You're fighting in a worldweight division. One hundred and forty 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.479 seven pounds, is that right? What is that in kilos 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:24.040 these days? 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.040 Sixty six point six sixty six point sixty six point 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.000 six seven kilos. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.479 For some reason, I still works in pounds because of 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.000 the American system. But lim has gone up aweight division, 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.839 which is not that much really. I mean it's only 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.840 a couple of pounds. It's not a big deal because 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.720 normally you're in the super lightweight division. Traditionally you've been 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.360 super late. That was your last world. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:44.360 Title, correct, Yeah? 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.760 It was it super lightweight, super lightweight forty pounds, Yeah, 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.640 seven pounds lighter. Let's take you outside of training, what 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:51.880 was your normally walking around it? 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.560 Look now getting a bit older. Just touched thirty of them, 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.200 about seventy eight seventy nine kilos, my body willn't actually get. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.360 To normally yeah normally. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.640 Yeah, them are keeping regularly fit, but not camp modes. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:07.080 So that was a big enough indication. You know. Yeah, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.559 I've been a one forty pounder for my whole career. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.039 I started a professional I was at eighteen years old, 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.840 and it's only two fights ago. I decided to go 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.720 up after I lost the title to Richardson Hitchins. There 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.399 no excuses. I felt good on the night, but the 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.800 last few fights away Cup was starting to get pretty brutal. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.440 And like I said, when I was naturally getting over 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.759 the seventy three mark, I was saying, hang on, it's 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:30.640 time to let the body do it sing and mature 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.319 and yeah, now up at walterweight and finally filled in here. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.120 If you're walking around to seventy eight but you're fighting 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.440 at sixty seven now you were talking about eleven kilos. Yeah, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.440 your prep periods like twelve are twelve forty weeks out 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.320 of it? Well, this one was was a shorter one, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.920 but shorter it was a nine week camp so wow 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.960 kind of yeah, but look in saying that it's not 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.840 those four three to four kilos of killing myself now, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.320 you know, like one forty seven. I've got the room 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.320 to sit at heavier, thank god, because I wouldn't have 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.840 made one forty in nine weeks, as it would have 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.320 been impossible. Let's say I had twelve weeks to make 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.000 one forty, you probably could make it, but maybe you 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.919 could explain the net effect on you so like, because 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.560 when you go into the fight, you're like, you only 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.480 weighing a day or two before. You might get a 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.720 bit of rehydration back, but you've lost a lot of 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:23.440 a lot of power and strength. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.640 And it's like I said, it's as crucial three to 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.880 four kilos. That was I was getting into my muscle masses. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.679 The waterweight was gone, so I'm actually digging into my 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.000 body now, which doesn't make sense. You know, twenty four hours, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.800 I'm not my weakest where I've got to perform the 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.600 next day at my ability. So it was it was 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.680 getting to that, you know, and twenty four hours just 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.080 wasn't enough time to replenish it. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.720 Just it just wasn't. It's dangerous to very dangerous. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.680 You know, you're taking the fluid away from your brain 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.920 and you're seeing boxing a lot. Unfortunately it happens a lot, 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.119 and it's in the light of weights. With the under 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.799 crucial weight cuts, people are taking the fluid out of 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.400 your brain. That's kind of your shock of all. But 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.920 you know where we're not playing marbles with cop and punches. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.560 You know it's it's going to happen. So you want 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.119 to have your body and your health on tiptop because 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:10.800 there's life after boxing. Also, you know what I mean, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:12.440 I want to see my kids grow up. I want 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:13.360 to remember things. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.520 So that's interesting you should say, because some old days, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.280 old school boxes didn't really think about that. I mean, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:25.639 you've said, I've sent plenty of Australians who have fought 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.399 on back at a lower weight division because they think 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.440 there might be an advantage because maybe a bit taller, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.040 or they maybe have a bit more rich or they 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.960 just feel more confident of the lower weight because they 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.160 know that they're normally a bigger person. They think, well, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.760 maybe I'll be able to sort of monster this person 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.120 a little bit more because this person might be naturally smaller, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.920 try to bully them. They bully them a bit. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.280 Yeah, but look, but then you come on stuck. When 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.920 it comes too much, you just don't have the time 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.000 to replenish, you know, and yeah, like I feel the 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.840 best now let my body do it, seem and even 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.000 just I've noticed this can mostly because the first my 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.960 last fight was my first fight at a full fledged 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.000 weld to weight against David Papoe and we decided five 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.440 weeks out, so I was still dieting to make the 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.680 one forty pound and it was just it was physically 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.720 too hard, and I said, dall for na. It was 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.640 it was happening sooner and later or later we said, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.080 let's do it now, let's just make the make the 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.160 jump up. It was lucky enough to be a title 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:27.520 eliminator and now like having this obviously going forward a bit. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.360 All the pullouts this year, you know, I was meant 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.960 to have a busy year. Last fight was September, two 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.440 guys pulling out the title eliminator, then Crocker. So if anything, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.240 you've got to pick the positives out of it. And look, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.680 I've been able to grow into a full fledged weld 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.080 to weight and I think people are going to be 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.440 super surprised because the last fight I was saying, you're 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.479 a bit small, but look I only did it in 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.640 five weeks. You know, Rome wasn't built in a day, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.320 you know, what I mean, I need to let my 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.160 give my body to the nutrient's the right training to 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.440 grow it into a full fledged weld to weight and 0:04:58.800 --> 0:04:59.680 we've done so now. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.919 So it's a pretty pack division. War Wait, it's a 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.919 it's a for me, one of the gun divisions. Like 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.280 you know, like I like I like watching for theweight 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.960 and but I really like well to weight. And we've 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.600 got some great names there, massive names, like the biggest names. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.240 It is. It's it's the Glamor Division. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:16.839 It's back to it. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.280 And man Manny Packell's back boxing and look, he's a 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.960 legend of one. I watched him growing up and I've 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.080 talked to my coach, Alfred de Carlo a few times. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.479 If we've got that fight, he's like one hundred percent, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.360 you know, no disrespect money. He's at his times. It's 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.880 our time now. But look like, yeah, you've got the 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.760 Ryan Garciers, even though the Devin Haynes. It's it is 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.800 honestly the Glamor Division. And that's what lies ahead. You 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.160 know after June twenty four, you know, I got a 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.720 I've got a big roadblock there in Lewis Crocker. He 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.560 knows what lies ahead. We both know, and that's what's 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.279 going to make this fight such a cracker. There's so 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.120 much on the horizon for him as well, both of us. Exactly, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.640 the winner goes on. And that's boxing. It's so cutthroat, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.000 you know. The other one's going to go back to 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.680 the drawing board. The other one's gonna rip the rewards 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.520 of champion, big big fights, big legacy fights, and that's 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.680 what that's also. But what makes it so exciting about boxing, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.400 it's so cutthroat, you know, And that's that's what I love. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.200 The competitiveness of it. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.840 It's the young man's game. It's not something you to 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.440 be doing as you're old. How old he now? 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.520 Then I'm thirty years old, thirty years still it's still 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.600 in the territory. Definitely just hit my prime. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:21.600 Do you feel that way? Do you feel like you 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.839 just you feel like you're strong enough and like you 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:30.200 feel like you're at your optimal strength, physicality, understanding of 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.800 the game, ring craft, you feel all those are sort 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.560 of optimizing right now. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.360 I think I'm just coming into it, I really am, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.320 you know. Was Yeah, they're confidence more confidence, yea, the IQ. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:42.840 I've been a pro and now I've gone on ten 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.520 years as a pro. So I'm in the veteran talk, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.600 you know, which is crazy, but like it's yeah, it's 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:48.599 I'm in my prime. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.320 Yeah I'm black, still good, juicy, old bloke. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.520 Yeah, well they can do that, but I'll still run 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:53.800 rings around them, I guarantee. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.960 But what is it that makes you feel confident? So, like, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.159 is it how you train? Is it just watching other 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.920 fighters in your division that you know, you watch them 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.360 and you think, I know how to beat that bloke. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.160 I mean, what is it? What are the things that 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.000 go to components that you look at. We've got the 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.840 best team in the world. I always say that because 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.560 I believe we do. We've conquered the world. We've we've 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.040 fought all over over. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.680 The world, won titles over there, and we've been at 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.400 the top level for a long time. And I've shown 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.880 you know, I obviously have the one little blame ish 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.680 it was a good lesson, but yeah, just I just 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.120 believe in myself. I know what I have within me, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.600 you know what I mean? And people have seen it 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.440 in fights, have faced with a verse and I always 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.560 come out on top, you know, because I've been hit 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.360 harder than the diversity in boxing, you know, with life, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.360 losing close friends and stuff like that. So look, I 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.600 just I guess I've just got a knack. I've been 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.760 able to channel that negativity and use it as motivation, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.320 you know, to push me forward. And yeah, it's just 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.680 I just believe in everything we've got, you know, like 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.360 back to my coach, Alvid de Carlo, he's got the 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.200 best boxing brains in the world. And I trust my 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:04.840 team too. That's a big thing. You know. I've been 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.680 right from the start, so we've got that tight knit Yeah, 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.600 just just good vibe always. It's just always confident. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:11.800 You know. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.240 Anyone that trains with us knows how hard we work. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.960 And I surprise a lot of people every time they 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.200 come to the gym, and that's a big thing. I 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.600 believe fitness wins fights, and yeah, we're one of the fitters, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.120 if not the fittest in the world. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.160 Because I talked a lot of fighters, as you know, 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.400 and I've inviewed heaps of fighters before world titles, before 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:35.800 they get world titles, including UFC fighters, and I pride 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.559 myself and being able to do one thing. I can 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.200 tell from their eyes and there's a look that you're 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.680 giving me in the way you're talking and the look 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.160 in your eyes that I've seen in other guys and 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.760 girls who have won world titles. They're just getting a 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:57.000 really sort of not overconfident but relaxed. But at the 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:58.880 same time, I know what's going on. You know what's 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.439 going on, you know what'sdropped for definitely, can I get 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.600 back to the Liam Parow, who's I don't know how 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:06.840 were when you first started. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.720 Boxing twelve years old up in McKay. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.439 While were you doing it? Why did you get to 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:11.079 your side box? 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.200 To be honest, it's one of my good mates, Tyson Best. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.120 He was He was a professional as well. He was 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.040 in the rugby league off season. Rugby league is mad 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.600 in North Queensland and I've seen him doing his wraps 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.160 in the street and I was just curious, what are 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.360 you doing hand wraps? And can I come along? And honestly, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.319 from that day, I've always I was a competitive kid, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.599 go back before. I was always competitive, always like that 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.680 was my thing. I was always pushing limits. I just 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.400 always wanted to be better. I just love that, you know, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.320 just testing myself and I found man, boxing's it. This 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.240 is the ultimate test. Were you started from the Decados 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.960 or no no. I started in Mquai with Mick Coles 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.400 and Trent Turnbull up in Pointy Valley Boxing Club in McKay, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.440 and there's there's not much up there, but we had 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.360 a good team, good boxing team back then. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.040 Did you compete or were you just training persparra Oh. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.760 I trained for about six months before my first fight, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.600 But the first day I went there, they threw me inspiring. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.440 I got the absolute pears punched out of me, and 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:07.880 still I just loved it, you know, I was like, wow, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.600 I was it was humbling, you know, like it was yeah, 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.719 just I just straight away after I went into the 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.400 box and You're like, this is it. And I remember 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.080 when I was thirteen years old and now up around 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.000 our I'm fim up and finally up there. I was 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.800 sitting on the kitchen bench and I remember saying to 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.160 mom this, I only probably been boxing maybe year and 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.200 a half, So I'm going to be a world champion. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.160 I'm going to be a world champion at this sport. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.679 And she believed, and she tells that story to everyone 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.480 that I was so content that I was going to 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.520 do it and to be able to do it back 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:37.160 in twenty. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.440 Twenty four was just yeah, that was amazing. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.120 Yeah, like all we've got is our word and to 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.480 be able to be a man of mine was oh, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:44.199 it was unreal. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.560 But when you were thirty years of age, were you're 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.400 watching fighters and just thought because I mean, how would 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.360 you I was at thirty and I didn't know what 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.160 a world champion was mean unless I saw it and 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.480 tell you or something like that. Did you see someone 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:56.680 fighting that inspired you? 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.760 Our YouTube videos many packet you know. I used to 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.079 watch Mannipak all the time. You know, you go even 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:09.000 because I obviously be in the South favorite, so I'll 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.440 just be studying these guys. See him with the belts, man, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.360 I want to do that. I want to be one 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.280 of them. And that was it. You know, there was 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.480 a lot of Yeah, I left a lot behind, you know. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.480 When I was fifteen and I moved up from a 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.160 quite the towns Villa train with Mark Flanagan and Dennis 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.120 Clancy at the Hawks Boxing Club and Upper Ross. That 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.720 was the big first step. I started an apprenticeship as 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.800 an auto electrician. And we come from the working class. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.920 You know, my my mom and dad they're hard workers, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.000 and I thank them for the work ethic. I've got 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.240 but when I told her that I was leaving my 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.520 apprenticeship to Chase boxing man, he yeah, I copped a 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:41.920 little bit. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.439 Of what name it would be, saying you're going to 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.000 make money at it? 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.000 Exactly why he said you dreaming? You know, like, yeah, 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:50.920 it was just but that that was I just believe 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.120 that it was going to happen. You know, this is 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.800 what I want to do so much. And now my 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.800 old girl, she was, she was supported. She said, go 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.840 for it, give it a crack, and a lot of people, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.040 where's your plan? B And in my head, young and 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.080 just stupid, I guess at the time as there was 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.240 no plan, because I'm already thinking about if it don't work, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.480 I've got this one plan. I've got to make this 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.040 thing work. So yeah, I moved up there, and that 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.679 was unreal. I was working the good guys doing the 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.280 washing machines and stuff out the back there. I was 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.400 I wasn't smart enough to work on the floors out 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.520 the back, and I'm delivering washing machines with bam bam, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.360 And yeah that was it just training and just getting by, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.840 but I was loving it. And then yeah, it's just crazy. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.400 When you when you look back at some of those 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.719 fis you just mentioned, for example, and many Pako been 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.160 pretty sweet left handers. When you watch them, would you 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.520 get back on the YouTube and examine like how they moved? 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.080 For example, Packs like incredibly, he does a lot. He's 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.400 going all the time, throw a thousands of punches. He 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.600 probably throws more punches around than anyone I've ever seen. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.840 But his legs, he's movement, you know, he's sweeping around world. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.760 Whig was a much sweeter left handed, like he just 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.080 had beautiful rhythm. Upper body yeah, more yeah, more body movement. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.200 Did you study those individuals when you're a young bloke 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.840 and think to yourself, I can fit into hear? I 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.199 mean because everyone no's like not many people got legs 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.400 like many Packet massive, he's got a massive legs. If 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:18.800 he didn't have legs or that he'd be fighting for 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.800 the way. Huge legs but also keeps him really stable. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.080 But he moves them. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.080 So well exactly. Yeah, but did you study these I did. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.040 I used to do that and I tried inspiring and 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.360 sometimes it wouldn't work and what happened And then they'll 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.360 be like, well, okay, well that's not for me, but 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.000 I still do it to this day, I'll be watching 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.200 fighters and like even left, they're coming up, you know, 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:44.720 I like what they do. I'll give it a go. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.520 And it's just finding different things from every different. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:49.320 Style that works for you. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.120 It works for you, correct, you know, And I'll try 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.720 a different thing from a different fighter and vice versa, 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.360 and if it works, I'll add it to my tool kid. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.720 And yeah, just I'm always doing every fights I watch, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.079 I'm looking at things and just seeing if that will 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.120 work in my style or down the track. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.760 You know, we spend on our ridge around twenty six 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.199 years of her lives asleep. So if you're going to 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.080 spend that much time doing something, you may as well 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.520 get good at it. 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What 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:21.960 are you thinking? 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.400 Look it just obviously we have a game plan. We 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.160 look at the style of the opponent. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.440 So don't tell us about what's coming up. He got 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.120 nothing I want you to win exactly, but just generally though, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.520 like how you how are you working at it? Because 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.840 like most of who listening to show don't know about 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.800 how left HANDI fight's the right hand? Okay, so maybe 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.280 you explain what you're thinking. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.440 So yeah, they're well, the classic way is as a 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.480 south pall. So I lead with my right foot, my 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.080 right hand, my power hands at the back orthodox right 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.640 handed the opposite way, and when we square up their foot, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.400 we're battling for foot control and you're going to have 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.840 more control. So you're always trying to have your foot 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.040 on the outside. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.000 Of his of his his leaf, so his. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.600 Left foot, which gives me it's closer for my rear hand. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.560 So as a as a southball versus orthodox vice versa, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.160 your rear hand, your straight punch is a big weapon, 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.280 you know what I mean. So if I've closed the 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.960 gap on the foot on the outside of his, it's 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.120 a shorter distance from my left hand to hit his, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.800 and it's straight down the line where he's going to 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:29.880 have to reach over my left hand and then also 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.440 worry about the foot too, you know. So he's gonna 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.560 want to try and step out. My foot's out there 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.280 blocking it, so he's only kinder limited to that little 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.880 line of punching, you know. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.480 What I mean, And are you setting him upfinitely? But 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.880 then then my sole on top it's I'm setting traps 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.440 all the time on fainting. But it goes back to 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.560 kind of game plans, and we see because every fighter 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.400 they can say whatever they want. Everyone has their own trademark. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.960 Hond of shots will go to punches, you know. And yeah, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.600 you kind of make game plans around that with in 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.120 the gym, with spirring, where we'll find spying partners closest 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:08.960 to that style, so we can work on things in 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:09.919 the gym that works. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.240 But yeah, it's setting traps. It's not just going in 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:17.679 there and punching on. Like when you understand boxing and 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.600 follow it, you realize it's a real art. There's a 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.800 lot of mental game going on the whole time. It's 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.360 not just in there punching on you know. So it's 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.160 you're not going toe to toe, not really. No, obviously 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.240 you do here and sometimes you will but might have to. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.639 But yeah, if you can box on the outside and 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.000 the artist to hit and not get it hit, you know, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.080 it's a fucking set traps and make him full for 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.280 my traps and land the punches and he can't land 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.119 on me. That's that's an unreal that's an excellent night 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.880 in the office. You know, take his less punishment as possible, 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.600 goes back to his life after boxing, you know. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.639 So, and I think what you're talking about is not 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.560 getting punched in the head, correct. I mean, body will 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.760 cop it, but like they can be pretty punishing, but 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:58.920 like you don't want to get hit in the head 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.200 too many times. Don't exactly right, because you are quite 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:06.200