Speaker 1: Len Para, stay talk.
Speaker 2: Mate, thank you, thanks for having me. It's a true pleasure.
Speaker 1: He are you feeling your prep?
Speaker 2: Feeling really good? Of couse, I'd come miss this opportunity, mate,
Speaker 2: So you're ready, ready to make history and hopefully join
Speaker 2: the likes of the great Jeff Finick in the same
Speaker 2: sentence as two division champions. So yeah, just excited.
Speaker 1: You're fighting in a worldweight division. One hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven pounds, is that right? What is that in kilos
Speaker 1: these days?
Speaker 2: Sixty six point six sixty six point sixty six point
Speaker 2: six seven kilos.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I still works in pounds because of
Speaker 1: the American system. But lim has gone up aweight division,
Speaker 1: which is not that much really. I mean it's only
Speaker 1: a couple of pounds. It's not a big deal because
Speaker 1: normally you're in the super lightweight division. Traditionally you've been
Speaker 1: super late. That was your last world.
Speaker 2: Title, correct, Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was it super lightweight, super lightweight forty pounds, Yeah,
Speaker 1: seven pounds lighter. Let's take you outside of training, what
Speaker 1: was your normally walking around it?
Speaker 2: Look now getting a bit older. Just touched thirty of them,
Speaker 2: about seventy eight seventy nine kilos, my body willn't actually get.
Speaker 1: To normally yeah normally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, them are keeping regularly fit, but not camp modes.
Speaker 2: So that was a big enough indication. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been a one forty pounder for my whole career.
Speaker 2: I started a professional I was at eighteen years old,
Speaker 2: and it's only two fights ago. I decided to go
Speaker 2: up after I lost the title to Richardson Hitchins. There
Speaker 2: no excuses. I felt good on the night, but the
Speaker 2: last few fights away Cup was starting to get pretty brutal.
Speaker 2: And like I said, when I was naturally getting over
Speaker 2: the seventy three mark, I was saying, hang on, it's
Speaker 2: time to let the body do it sing and mature
Speaker 2: and yeah, now up at walterweight and finally filled in here.
Speaker 1: If you're walking around to seventy eight but you're fighting
Speaker 1: at sixty seven now you were talking about eleven kilos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your prep periods like twelve are twelve forty weeks out
Speaker 1: of it? Well, this one was was a shorter one,
Speaker 1: but shorter it was a nine week camp so wow
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, but look in saying that it's not
Speaker 1: those four three to four kilos of killing myself now,
Speaker 1: you know, like one forty seven. I've got the room
Speaker 1: to sit at heavier, thank god, because I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made one forty in nine weeks, as it would have
Speaker 1: been impossible. Let's say I had twelve weeks to make
Speaker 1: one forty, you probably could make it, but maybe you
Speaker 1: could explain the net effect on you so like, because
Speaker 1: when you go into the fight, you're like, you only
Speaker 1: weighing a day or two before. You might get a
Speaker 1: bit of rehydration back, but you've lost a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of power and strength.
Speaker 2: And it's like I said, it's as crucial three to
Speaker 2: four kilos. That was I was getting into my muscle masses.
Speaker 2: The waterweight was gone, so I'm actually digging into my
Speaker 2: body now, which doesn't make sense. You know, twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: I'm not my weakest where I've got to perform the
Speaker 2: next day at my ability. So it was it was
Speaker 2: getting to that, you know, and twenty four hours just
Speaker 2: wasn't enough time to replenish it.
Speaker 1: Just it just wasn't. It's dangerous to very dangerous.
Speaker 2: You know, you're taking the fluid away from your brain
Speaker 2: and you're seeing boxing a lot. Unfortunately it happens a lot,
Speaker 2: and it's in the light of weights. With the under
Speaker 2: crucial weight cuts, people are taking the fluid out of
Speaker 2: your brain. That's kind of your shock of all. But
Speaker 2: you know where we're not playing marbles with cop and punches.
Speaker 2: You know it's it's going to happen. So you want
Speaker 2: to have your body and your health on tiptop because
Speaker 2: there's life after boxing. Also, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I want to see my kids grow up. I want
Speaker 2: to remember things.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting you should say, because some old days,
Speaker 1: old school boxes didn't really think about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've said, I've sent plenty of Australians who have fought
Speaker 1: on back at a lower weight division because they think
Speaker 1: there might be an advantage because maybe a bit taller,
Speaker 1: or they maybe have a bit more rich or they
Speaker 1: just feel more confident of the lower weight because they
Speaker 1: know that they're normally a bigger person. They think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be able to sort of monster this person
Speaker 1: a little bit more because this person might be naturally smaller,
Speaker 1: try to bully them. They bully them a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, but then you come on stuck. When
Speaker 2: it comes too much, you just don't have the time
Speaker 2: to replenish, you know, and yeah, like I feel the
Speaker 2: best now let my body do it, seem and even
Speaker 2: just I've noticed this can mostly because the first my
Speaker 2: last fight was my first fight at a full fledged
Speaker 2: weld to weight against David Papoe and we decided five
Speaker 2: weeks out, so I was still dieting to make the
Speaker 2: one forty pound and it was just it was physically
Speaker 2: too hard, and I said, dall for na. It was
Speaker 2: it was happening sooner and later or later we said,
Speaker 2: let's do it now, let's just make the make the
Speaker 2: jump up. It was lucky enough to be a title
Speaker 2: eliminator and now like having this obviously going forward a bit.
Speaker 2: All the pullouts this year, you know, I was meant
Speaker 2: to have a busy year. Last fight was September, two
Speaker 2: guys pulling out the title eliminator, then Crocker. So if anything,
Speaker 2: you've got to pick the positives out of it. And look,
Speaker 2: I've been able to grow into a full fledged weld
Speaker 2: to weight and I think people are going to be
Speaker 2: super surprised because the last fight I was saying, you're
Speaker 2: a bit small, but look I only did it in
Speaker 2: five weeks. You know, Rome wasn't built in a day,
Speaker 2: you know, what I mean, I need to let my
Speaker 2: give my body to the nutrient's the right training to
Speaker 2: grow it into a full fledged weld to weight and
Speaker 2: we've done so now.
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty pack division. War Wait, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a for me, one of the gun divisions. Like
Speaker 1: you know, like I like I like watching for theweight
Speaker 1: and but I really like well to weight. And we've
Speaker 1: got some great names there, massive names, like the biggest names.
Speaker 2: It is. It's it's the Glamor Division.
Speaker 1: It's back to it.
Speaker 2: And man Manny Packell's back boxing and look, he's a
Speaker 2: legend of one. I watched him growing up and I've
Speaker 2: talked to my coach, Alfred de Carlo a few times.
Speaker 2: If we've got that fight, he's like one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: you know, no disrespect money. He's at his times. It's
Speaker 2: our time now. But look like, yeah, you've got the
Speaker 2: Ryan Garciers, even though the Devin Haynes. It's it is
Speaker 2: honestly the Glamor Division. And that's what lies ahead. You
Speaker 2: know after June twenty four, you know, I got a
Speaker 2: I've got a big roadblock there in Lewis Crocker. He
Speaker 2: knows what lies ahead. We both know, and that's what's
Speaker 2: going to make this fight such a cracker. There's so
Speaker 2: much on the horizon for him as well, both of us. Exactly,
Speaker 2: the winner goes on. And that's boxing. It's so cutthroat,
Speaker 2: you know. The other one's going to go back to
Speaker 2: the drawing board. The other one's gonna rip the rewards
Speaker 2: of champion, big big fights, big legacy fights, and that's
Speaker 2: what that's also. But what makes it so exciting about boxing,
Speaker 2: it's so cutthroat, you know, And that's that's what I love.
Speaker 2: The competitiveness of it.
Speaker 1: It's the young man's game. It's not something you to
Speaker 1: be doing as you're old. How old he now?
Speaker 2: Then I'm thirty years old, thirty years still it's still
Speaker 2: in the territory. Definitely just hit my prime.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way? Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: just you feel like you're strong enough and like you
Speaker 1: feel like you're at your optimal strength, physicality, understanding of
Speaker 1: the game, ring craft, you feel all those are sort
Speaker 1: of optimizing right now.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just coming into it, I really am,
Speaker 2: you know. Was Yeah, they're confidence more confidence, yea, the IQ.
Speaker 2: I've been a pro and now I've gone on ten
Speaker 2: years as a pro. So I'm in the veteran talk,
Speaker 2: you know, which is crazy, but like it's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I'm in my prime.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm black, still good, juicy, old bloke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they can do that, but I'll still run
Speaker 2: rings around them, I guarantee.
Speaker 1: But what is it that makes you feel confident? So, like,
Speaker 1: is it how you train? Is it just watching other
Speaker 1: fighters in your division that you know, you watch them
Speaker 1: and you think, I know how to beat that bloke.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is it? What are the things that
Speaker 1: go to components that you look at. We've got the
Speaker 1: best team in the world. I always say that because
Speaker 1: I believe we do. We've conquered the world. We've we've
Speaker 1: fought all over over.
Speaker 2: The world, won titles over there, and we've been at
Speaker 2: the top level for a long time. And I've shown
Speaker 2: you know, I obviously have the one little blame ish
Speaker 2: it was a good lesson, but yeah, just I just
Speaker 2: believe in myself. I know what I have within me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And people have seen it
Speaker 2: in fights, have faced with a verse and I always
Speaker 2: come out on top, you know, because I've been hit
Speaker 2: harder than the diversity in boxing, you know, with life,
Speaker 2: losing close friends and stuff like that. So look, I
Speaker 2: just I guess I've just got a knack. I've been
Speaker 2: able to channel that negativity and use it as motivation,
Speaker 2: you know, to push me forward. And yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: I just believe in everything we've got, you know, like
Speaker 2: back to my coach, Alvid de Carlo, he's got the
Speaker 2: best boxing brains in the world. And I trust my
Speaker 2: team too. That's a big thing. You know. I've been
Speaker 2: right from the start, so we've got that tight knit Yeah,
Speaker 2: just just good vibe always. It's just always confident.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Anyone that trains with us knows how hard we work.
Speaker 2: And I surprise a lot of people every time they
Speaker 2: come to the gym, and that's a big thing. I
Speaker 2: believe fitness wins fights, and yeah, we're one of the fitters,
Speaker 2: if not the fittest in the world.
Speaker 1: Because I talked a lot of fighters, as you know,
Speaker 1: and I've inviewed heaps of fighters before world titles, before
Speaker 1: they get world titles, including UFC fighters, and I pride
Speaker 1: myself and being able to do one thing. I can
Speaker 1: tell from their eyes and there's a look that you're
Speaker 1: giving me in the way you're talking and the look
Speaker 1: in your eyes that I've seen in other guys and
Speaker 1: girls who have won world titles. They're just getting a
Speaker 1: really sort of not overconfident but relaxed. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I know what's going on. You know what's
Speaker 1: going on, you know what'sdropped for definitely, can I get
Speaker 1: back to the Liam Parow, who's I don't know how
Speaker 1: were when you first started.
Speaker 2: Boxing twelve years old up in McKay.
Speaker 1: While were you doing it? Why did you get to
Speaker 1: your side box?
Speaker 2: To be honest, it's one of my good mates, Tyson Best.
Speaker 2: He was He was a professional as well. He was
Speaker 2: in the rugby league off season. Rugby league is mad
Speaker 2: in North Queensland and I've seen him doing his wraps
Speaker 2: in the street and I was just curious, what are
Speaker 2: you doing hand wraps? And can I come along? And honestly,
Speaker 2: from that day, I've always I was a competitive kid,
Speaker 2: go back before. I was always competitive, always like that
Speaker 2: was my thing. I was always pushing limits. I just
Speaker 2: always wanted to be better. I just love that, you know,
Speaker 2: just testing myself and I found man, boxing's it. This
Speaker 2: is the ultimate test. Were you started from the Decados
Speaker 2: or no no. I started in Mquai with Mick Coles
Speaker 2: and Trent Turnbull up in Pointy Valley Boxing Club in McKay,
Speaker 2: and there's there's not much up there, but we had
Speaker 2: a good team, good boxing team back then.
Speaker 1: Did you compete or were you just training persparra Oh.
Speaker 2: I trained for about six months before my first fight,
Speaker 2: But the first day I went there, they threw me inspiring.
Speaker 2: I got the absolute pears punched out of me, and
Speaker 2: still I just loved it, you know, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I was it was humbling, you know, like it was yeah,
Speaker 2: just I just straight away after I went into the
Speaker 2: box and You're like, this is it. And I remember
Speaker 2: when I was thirteen years old and now up around
Speaker 2: our I'm fim up and finally up there. I was
Speaker 2: sitting on the kitchen bench and I remember saying to
Speaker 2: mom this, I only probably been boxing maybe year and
Speaker 2: a half, So I'm going to be a world champion.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a world champion at this sport.
Speaker 2: And she believed, and she tells that story to everyone
Speaker 2: that I was so content that I was going to
Speaker 2: do it and to be able to do it back
Speaker 2: in twenty.
Speaker 1: Twenty four was just yeah, that was amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all we've got is our word and to
Speaker 2: be able to be a man of mine was oh,
Speaker 2: it was unreal.
Speaker 1: But when you were thirty years of age, were you're
Speaker 1: watching fighters and just thought because I mean, how would
Speaker 1: you I was at thirty and I didn't know what
Speaker 1: a world champion was mean unless I saw it and
Speaker 1: tell you or something like that. Did you see someone
Speaker 1: fighting that inspired you?
Speaker 2: Our YouTube videos many packet you know. I used to
Speaker 2: watch Mannipak all the time. You know, you go even
Speaker 2: because I obviously be in the South favorite, so I'll
Speaker 2: just be studying these guys. See him with the belts, man,
Speaker 2: I want to do that. I want to be one
Speaker 2: of them. And that was it. You know, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of Yeah, I left a lot behind, you know.
Speaker 2: When I was fifteen and I moved up from a
Speaker 2: quite the towns Villa train with Mark Flanagan and Dennis
Speaker 2: Clancy at the Hawks Boxing Club and Upper Ross. That
Speaker 2: was the big first step. I started an apprenticeship as
Speaker 2: an auto electrician. And we come from the working class.
Speaker 2: You know, my my mom and dad they're hard workers,
Speaker 2: and I thank them for the work ethic. I've got
Speaker 2: but when I told her that I was leaving my
Speaker 2: apprenticeship to Chase boxing man, he yeah, I copped a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Of what name it would be, saying you're going to
Speaker 1: make money at it?
Speaker 2: Exactly why he said you dreaming? You know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just but that that was I just believe
Speaker 2: that it was going to happen. You know, this is
Speaker 2: what I want to do so much. And now my
Speaker 2: old girl, she was, she was supported. She said, go
Speaker 2: for it, give it a crack, and a lot of people,
Speaker 2: where's your plan? B And in my head, young and
Speaker 2: just stupid, I guess at the time as there was
Speaker 2: no plan, because I'm already thinking about if it don't work,
Speaker 2: I've got this one plan. I've got to make this
Speaker 2: thing work. So yeah, I moved up there, and that
Speaker 2: was unreal. I was working the good guys doing the
Speaker 2: washing machines and stuff out the back there. I was
Speaker 2: I wasn't smart enough to work on the floors out
Speaker 2: the back, and I'm delivering washing machines with bam bam,
Speaker 2: And yeah that was it just training and just getting by,
Speaker 2: but I was loving it. And then yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: When you when you look back at some of those
Speaker 1: fis you just mentioned, for example, and many Pako been
Speaker 1: pretty sweet left handers. When you watch them, would you
Speaker 1: get back on the YouTube and examine like how they moved?
Speaker 1: For example, Packs like incredibly, he does a lot. He's
Speaker 1: going all the time, throw a thousands of punches. He
Speaker 1: probably throws more punches around than anyone I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: But his legs, he's movement, you know, he's sweeping around world.
Speaker 1: Whig was a much sweeter left handed, like he just
Speaker 1: had beautiful rhythm. Upper body yeah, more yeah, more body movement.
Speaker 1: Did you study those individuals when you're a young bloke
Speaker 1: and think to yourself, I can fit into hear? I
Speaker 1: mean because everyone no's like not many people got legs
Speaker 1: like many Packet massive, he's got a massive legs. If
Speaker 1: he didn't have legs or that he'd be fighting for
Speaker 1: the way. Huge legs but also keeps him really stable.
Speaker 1: But he moves them.
Speaker 2: So well exactly. Yeah, but did you study these I did.
Speaker 2: I used to do that and I tried inspiring and
Speaker 2: sometimes it wouldn't work and what happened And then they'll
Speaker 2: be like, well, okay, well that's not for me, but
Speaker 2: I still do it to this day, I'll be watching
Speaker 2: fighters and like even left, they're coming up, you know,
Speaker 2: I like what they do. I'll give it a go.
Speaker 2: And it's just finding different things from every different.
Speaker 1: Style that works for you.
Speaker 2: It works for you, correct, you know, And I'll try
Speaker 2: a different thing from a different fighter and vice versa,
Speaker 2: and if it works, I'll add it to my tool kid.
Speaker 2: And yeah, just I'm always doing every fights I watch,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at things and just seeing if that will
Speaker 2: work in my style or down the track.
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Speaker 1: you know, like you're just poking them out all the time,
Speaker 1: just waiting for the sweet one to hit them all?
Speaker 1: What do you're doing? I mean, without giving any strategies away?
Speaker 1: But what are you thinking to yourself? I mean, I
Speaker 1: got him, I get outside his foot. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to keep poking away at him and stay away from
Speaker 1: his right hand and moving on to my left. What
Speaker 1: are you thinking?
Speaker 2: Look it just obviously we have a game plan. We
Speaker 2: look at the style of the opponent.
Speaker 1: So don't tell us about what's coming up. He got
Speaker 1: nothing I want you to win exactly, but just generally though,
Speaker 1: like how you how are you working at it? Because
Speaker 1: like most of who listening to show don't know about
Speaker 1: how left HANDI fight's the right hand? Okay, so maybe
Speaker 1: you explain what you're thinking.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're well, the classic way is as a
Speaker 2: south pall. So I lead with my right foot, my
Speaker 2: right hand, my power hands at the back orthodox right
Speaker 2: handed the opposite way, and when we square up their foot,
Speaker 2: we're battling for foot control and you're going to have
Speaker 2: more control. So you're always trying to have your foot
Speaker 2: on the outside.
Speaker 1: Of his of his his leaf, so his.
Speaker 2: Left foot, which gives me it's closer for my rear hand.
Speaker 2: So as a as a southball versus orthodox vice versa,
Speaker 2: your rear hand, your straight punch is a big weapon,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So if I've closed the
Speaker 2: gap on the foot on the outside of his, it's
Speaker 2: a shorter distance from my left hand to hit his,
Speaker 2: and it's straight down the line where he's going to
Speaker 2: have to reach over my left hand and then also
Speaker 2: worry about the foot too, you know. So he's gonna
Speaker 2: want to try and step out. My foot's out there
Speaker 2: blocking it, so he's only kinder limited to that little
Speaker 2: line of punching, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean, And are you setting him upfinitely? But
Speaker 1: then then my sole on top it's I'm setting traps
Speaker 1: all the time on fainting. But it goes back to
Speaker 1: kind of game plans, and we see because every fighter
Speaker 1: they can say whatever they want. Everyone has their own trademark.
Speaker 1: Hond of shots will go to punches, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of make game plans around that with in
Speaker 1: the gym, with spirring, where we'll find spying partners closest
Speaker 1: to that style, so we can work on things in
Speaker 1: the gym that works.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's setting traps. It's not just going in
Speaker 2: there and punching on. Like when you understand boxing and
Speaker 2: follow it, you realize it's a real art. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of mental game going on the whole time. It's
Speaker 2: not just in there punching on you know. So it's
Speaker 2: you're not going toe to toe, not really. No, obviously
Speaker 2: you do here and sometimes you will but might have to.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you can box on the outside and
Speaker 2: the artist to hit and not get it hit, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a fucking set traps and make him full for
Speaker 2: my traps and land the punches and he can't land
Speaker 2: on me. That's that's an unreal that's an excellent night
Speaker 2: in the office. You know, take his less punishment as possible,
Speaker 2: goes back to his life after boxing, you know.
Speaker 1: So, and I think what you're talking about is not
Speaker 1: getting punched in the head, correct. I mean, body will
Speaker 1: cop it, but like they can be pretty punishing, but
Speaker 1: like you don't want to get hit in the head
Speaker 1: too many times. Don't exactly right, because you are quite
Speaker 1: a defensive fighter too. You fight quite well in terms
Speaker 1: of defense. I mean you're not You're not many many
Speaker 1: Pack was attacking Jeff would be attacked. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: give a ship just attacking someone, right, like, but not
Speaker 1: many people had the probably that physical ability that Jeff
Speaker 1: had in terms of his fitness, Like, his fitness is
Speaker 1: next level. Do anyone I've ever known he would have been.
Speaker 1: I'd say he would have been the fittest boxer in history.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the most technical, but just fitness and relentless.
Speaker 1: Definitely just Pack has a bit sort of similarly, he's
Speaker 1: solely fit. He throws a million punches around.
Speaker 2: But not as not as intense as Jeff. You know, no,
Speaker 2: it was an animal in an animal like actually intense
Speaker 2: into the water, the deep water and an actually animal.
Speaker 1: But yours, yours is more strategic, your style. I mean
Speaker 1: you're trying to walk them on your left all the time. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: setting traps and counter punch you you know, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: if could explain that, you know, the counter punching process.
Speaker 1: I mean, because You've got to be able to punch
Speaker 1: on your as you're stepping.
Speaker 2: Back, so that we are more of a backfoot fight
Speaker 2: or the defensive in a way. I can push forward,
Speaker 2: but I'm comfortable there. I'm comfortable, for example, with faints.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to faint to get you to try
Speaker 2: to take a shot or whatever. And in that even
Speaker 2: if you don't shoot, I can see, even if you're
Speaker 2: kind of flinching back, I can see what you're wanting
Speaker 2: to throw, you know what I mean. And that's all
Speaker 2: just body presence, and it is a kind of a
Speaker 2: slower pace, but yeah, it just sets up openings for them.
Speaker 2: Then that one punch power. You know, they just had
Speaker 2: one punch to end it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I don't I'm not here busy setting it up.
Speaker 2: I'm setting up with foot control, with faints, with distance,
Speaker 2: and yeah, just making you frustrating your if you feel
Speaker 2: like you're behind, make you reach, and then I'll teach
Speaker 2: with a shot.
Speaker 1: So and what about in terms of body shots, So
Speaker 1: like I don't sort of you're more you're sending me
Speaker 1: the top.
Speaker 2: It's more straight punches. I'm more comfortab obviously on the
Speaker 2: back on the on the outside boxing. That's that's just
Speaker 2: the way it is, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: people have even tried to press and close the gaps.
Speaker 2: You've seen with Subero Matias, one of the best pressure
Speaker 2: fighters at the time when I beat him for the title,
Speaker 2: I just had footwork and straight punches or box on
Speaker 2: the outside and not let him close the gap, which
Speaker 2: is yeah, it's this piece of string is what we
Speaker 2: call it. You know what I mean, where Alphie calls
Speaker 2: it is just keep that distance the whole time with
Speaker 2: your feet and with your feet and body exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's mainly footwork though, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not letting them close the gap, because if you're a
Speaker 2: better inside fighter than me, why would I want to
Speaker 2: let you give I'll give you opportunity of what exactly right,
Speaker 2: If I can box your ears off from the outside
Speaker 2: and not cop as much punishment, of course I'm going
Speaker 2: to do that. And where does fitness come into it
Speaker 2: for you? Fitness is still definitely right up there. I
Speaker 2: still believe fitness is the main, the main key factor.
Speaker 2: And we're about legs, I mean, because like boxes tend
Speaker 2: to a lot. Yeah, and most of we don't even
Speaker 2: know why, because it's not like you're running. You're not
Speaker 2: like running a marathon or something. You're in the ring
Speaker 2: for three minute rounds, twelve rounds three minutes, so like
Speaker 2: it's not a marathon.
Speaker 1: But why is it. You guys tend to run a
Speaker 1: lot to.
Speaker 2: Keep your legs strong, you know, because we're moving around,
Speaker 2: we're cutting so many different angles, and you want fresh
Speaker 2: legs for that reason for me is my legs slow down.
Speaker 2: They're going to slow They're going to close the gap
Speaker 2: in you know what I mean, They're going to be
Speaker 2: able to get into a range that they're comfortable and
Speaker 2: I look, I'm comfortable there, but not as comfy has
Speaker 2: been able to box areas or from the outside. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just you need like moleg's are my biggest, my
Speaker 2: key factor. You know, I'll do a lot of running,
Speaker 2: a lot of leg work and stuff like that, because yeah,
Speaker 2: the minute they slow down, it's just going to be
Speaker 2: able to give them advantage to close the gap and
Speaker 2: and fight where they're comfy. So so if do you ever.
Speaker 1: Think to you, have you ever been in a position
Speaker 1: in a in a big fight where you've sort of
Speaker 1: lost cool? He thought, fuck you like I'm going to.
Speaker 1: You know, you should have done that, because every time
Speaker 1: I watched you tend to be really strategic and sort
Speaker 1: of quite poised. You don't, if anything, you tend to
Speaker 1: egg them on a little bit. Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: watched it with Brock me and Brock Jarvis, and you
Speaker 1: sort of egged him on, like you set him up
Speaker 1: to lose his school, Yeah for sure, and then you
Speaker 1: haming him. So it was like a minute and a
Speaker 1: half or something. Yeah, it was round one. But by
Speaker 1: the way, you're both start, but you're both fighting for
Speaker 1: a really important because both of you were being managed
Speaker 1: by the same management in the UK. Correct, and whoever
Speaker 1: lost was going to be out of the camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that goes back to how cut through a
Speaker 2: boxing is. You know, we'll fighting for that position of
Speaker 2: someone's career advances and the other one goes back to
Speaker 2: the drawing board. And that was us that fight. You know,
Speaker 2: that was the first time mat Troom I've ever been
Speaker 2: to Australia. It was the first Austrange show Brisbane. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: in Brazil, so it was it was unreal and well
Speaker 2: it was a fifty to fifty five, you know, it
Speaker 2: was with Brock being trained by the Great Jeff Finick.
Speaker 2: It was it was a good build up because Jeff
Speaker 2: and alf end that the car close and even if
Speaker 2: you could feel the competitiveness, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just that's what made it so much sweeter.
Speaker 2: And look, you know you said, like I gave Jeff
Speaker 2: a wink in the corner.
Speaker 1: I remember the whole hype of it all.
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was surreal for me to
Speaker 2: be in the opposite corner of the great Jeff Finick.
Speaker 2: You know, like it was crazy. It was, It really was.
Speaker 2: But that's that's what makes it exciting. That's one of
Speaker 2: the biggest probably domestic fights. If you look at everything,
Speaker 2: all the key factors and the backstory in Australia, it's huge.
Speaker 1: Well, given that Brox credentially pretty good, like you fought
Speaker 1: weight a couple of weight divisions, but like he was,
Speaker 1: like I think it was well used featherweight champion or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was something like that. Anyway, you guys
Speaker 1: thought a light weight, yeah, it was a lightweight super
Speaker 1: super light weight. Yeah, okay, so he thought that's a
Speaker 1: couple of divisions up for him because he was he
Speaker 1: was all a sudden, he like used something to get big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a massive event from my point of you anyway,
Speaker 1: from for boxing as well. You then went on to
Speaker 1: have a number of fives and you won the super
Speaker 1: lightweight IBF and then you miss out miss out on
Speaker 1: your defense same year later that year, last year twenty five,
Speaker 1: you did two two fights. Yeah, I did a catchweight
Speaker 1: with Navarro in June, yep, sixty five kilos and then
Speaker 1: Papa in September, which was my first world's weight for it,
Speaker 1: and that was you did that to become the mandatory
Speaker 1: correct to get. Yeah, there's the title eliminador. To be
Speaker 1: the fighter that got was next in line. What does
Speaker 1: it mean for you? If and this IBF? So, what
Speaker 1: does it mean for you to win the International Boxing
Speaker 1: Federation World title championship.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, you know, it's big money. It is, of
Speaker 2: course it is, you know, ever since the life changing
Speaker 2: it has been pretty life changing since I fought on
Speaker 2: the Jake Pool card. You know, the signings from there
Speaker 2: and what goes. But that's the that's from how old
Speaker 2: are then, about twenty, I don't know, and maybe four
Speaker 2: or five years ago, you know, but it's that's that
Speaker 2: one percent that makes life changing and money to be
Speaker 2: able to set yourself up. But people say they know
Speaker 2: what gets to me when people call you lucky, But
Speaker 2: they didn't see the kid from twelve years old that's
Speaker 2: went right through with nothing. I was living in my
Speaker 2: car at one stage, just to make it work, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's it's it's not luck. It's just sheer, hard
Speaker 2: work and determination and just a dream that I just
Speaker 2: had that fire that I never let that flame go out.
Speaker 2: You know, I knew I was going to do it.
Speaker 1: Did you ever bring your dad when you live in
Speaker 1: the car, No way, Yeah, it would have.
Speaker 2: Been, like I told you so, but nah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But he supports some big time and
Speaker 2: you know it's just but you got to understand where
Speaker 2: they're coming from. They come from a place of they
Speaker 2: don't want to see their kids struggling, you know, when
Speaker 2: obviously at that time, an apprenticeship was they were kind
Speaker 2: of a way out, you know what I mean, setting
Speaker 2: yourself up for life. So they just don't want to
Speaker 2: see you in a bad position. And kind of I
Speaker 2: guess be like I agreed to that in a way,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, but.
Speaker 1: Look, it's just he was giving you the right advice.
Speaker 2: He was at the time because he cared for me.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to see me go down the wrong plate,
Speaker 2: the wrong path, and.
Speaker 1: Well he knew one was one was guaranteed. If you
Speaker 1: did an apprentice, you're guaranteed you can probably borrow some money,
Speaker 1: buy a house, get married, have family, maybe just live
Speaker 1: in the same area, maybe move out. But that's a
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal. Yeah, boxing is not even fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: No, exactly right, like one one hundred exactly, one hundred
Speaker 2: percent is only what goes down like small as percentage
Speaker 2: of being able to make enough to make a living
Speaker 2: off from Very glad that I've been able to get
Speaker 2: to that level. And honestly, I've got to thank a
Speaker 2: lot of sponsors too to help me get there to
Speaker 2: that level, you know what I mean. And so I've
Speaker 2: still got some sponsors.
Speaker 1: How does that work? Explain how the sponsors come into it? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're you know, the people give you
Speaker 1: money to help you get through training camps because you've
Speaker 1: got to earn money the whole time, But how does
Speaker 1: it work for sponsors? Like why do they do it?
Speaker 1: What's the deal.
Speaker 2: Look, honestly, at the end of the day, it's just
Speaker 2: the cornice out of their hearts. Like there's especially at
Speaker 2: the start with the small platform. You're fighting in pubs,
Speaker 2: in little halls, and you really can't give back. You
Speaker 2: put obviously put their logo on the trunks, but you're
Speaker 2: not even getting televised or nothing like that. It's no broadcasting,
Speaker 2: no For what they're giving you, you really can't give
Speaker 2: back to them. It's just it's just a good hearted
Speaker 2: people wanting to help you succeed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was still still laboring and then being able to
Speaker 2: go full time. I think in twenty eighteen, I was
Speaker 2: working for a company called Oxworks. I was, I was
Speaker 2: working for them and the boss, Glenowskin, gave me an
Speaker 2: opportunity to mad Le, I'll match your your wage and
Speaker 2: you train full time. And to me, I was like,
Speaker 2: at that time, I've made it, you know what I
Speaker 2: mean of Bloody made it on full time fighter after
Speaker 2: years and years and it's just, honestly, it's just the
Speaker 2: cornice out of their hearts and that's Yeah, it just
Speaker 2: shows that there's still good people in the world that
Speaker 2: that back people, and it's just, yeah, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: where I am without without sponsors, with people. Luck Lenn
Speaker 2: himself that that believed in me and gave me the
Speaker 2: opportunity to, yeah, be able to tackle this full time
Speaker 2: and flat out because you're noticed with the training. You know,
Speaker 2: I was waking up early and then gone to labor
Speaker 2: all day and then coming to the gym compared to
Speaker 2: when I was fresh.
Speaker 1: There's a huge leaves and bounds theah.
Speaker 2: The year I went full time, I won the Australian title,
Speaker 2: won the youth world title and it just skyrocketed. But
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be possible without without sponsors.
Speaker 1: And did you win the lightweight world youth time.
Speaker 2: Super lightweight yah, superlightwaight right from the start until two
Speaker 2: fights ago.
Speaker 1: So that's not a twenty three isn't it? Is it
Speaker 1: twenty threes.
Speaker 2: Under twenty three three?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And we've had a number of world champions in
Speaker 1: this country. We don't have too many of the moment.
Speaker 1: That's where Andrew Malaney picked up the title this week.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: Funny story. I was watching that. I went to the
Speaker 2: AFL on the weekend and me and Jonathan Brown for
Speaker 2: watching that fight Andrew Maloney's fight in the box up there,
Speaker 2: So I love him.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. Congratulations, Yeah, well done. I mean I'm a
Speaker 1: Maloney fan, both of them. It was amazing that he won.
Speaker 1: It's because there's been a big comeback for him. Massive,
Speaker 1: it's been a big journey for him. Like, how would
Speaker 1: he be I think thirty four? Yeah, he's a few
Speaker 1: years older than you. What about supportive family? So you've
Speaker 1: got a kid, now, what do you got little ones? Boy?
Speaker 1: And girl? What do you got girl? A little girl?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Okay? And how old is she?
Speaker 2: Seven?
Speaker 1: And you're married?
Speaker 2: I'm married? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so your wife's name Tyler? Tyler?
Speaker 2: And how important is her support for you? It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: She's a rock, you know, she really is. She's Without her,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do. We'll get to where
Speaker 2: I am, truly, honestly, I'm.
Speaker 1: In a lot of fighters say that, but no, no,
Speaker 1: tell me why that.
Speaker 2: Just understands, you know what I mean. Like I've obviously
Speaker 2: growing up younger, I had different young relationships. They like
Speaker 2: the idea of dating a fighter, until they realized that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of sacrifice. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I was away a lot overseas and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but it's just, yeah, just the understanding, and there's a
Speaker 2: comfort she gives me, you know what I mean. I'll
Speaker 2: go home and I switch off, you know, because everything
Speaker 2: is always boxing, boxing, boxing, It's it's just my comfy,
Speaker 2: my happy and comfort place, you know, being with her
Speaker 2: and being with the family and stuff like that. She worried, Ah, look,
Speaker 2: not really. She knows it makes me happy, so that
Speaker 2: makes her happy, you know what I mean. It's when
Speaker 2: I've been injured and had timed off that's when it
Speaker 2: kind of it's just the uncertainty for me, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: And do you get anxious when that happens. What do
Speaker 1: you like when you're with a certainty? Well, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're injured and you can't fight.
Speaker 2: Oh, look, it was. It was a bit scary because
Speaker 2: I've joked abound it before, Oh fucking box and take
Speaker 2: so much out of me, you know, and this and that.
Speaker 2: But when it was actually taken from me, that's when
Speaker 2: I knew, Man, holy, I'm not ready to let this
Speaker 2: go away.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It scared me, it really did. It was achilles injury
Speaker 2: when I first got in twenty three when I first
Speaker 2: got a well title opportunity, and it was crazy. Gone
Speaker 2: back to having good people around. I'm glad to have
Speaker 2: my family and my wife and that around me so
Speaker 2: kept me ground and kept me positive. And yeah, look,
Speaker 2: it's just it's very important having those people around because
Speaker 2: if boxing was to go and I've got the support
Speaker 2: base with me, it's just, yeah, like there's more to life,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And there's more things to
Speaker 2: look forward to life that I'm blessed with it with
Speaker 2: having those people around. So do you ever say to yourself,
Speaker 2: I'll set up a plan for the future or do
Speaker 2: you just say no stuff and I'm just going to
Speaker 2: do what's in front of me. Look, obviously now I
Speaker 2: want to set up I want to be able to
Speaker 2: set up them for life, definitely, and look, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of opportunities. But still at the same time, I
Speaker 2: can't look too far into the future because it kind
Speaker 2: of shifts your minds, you know. As a fighter, that's it,
Speaker 2: it's fighting, fighting, fighting in front of you a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but obviously I'm thinking about that. You know, we've bought
Speaker 2: a nice place now and we're on a bit of
Speaker 2: acreage and it's good. You know, we're we're comfortable. But look, yeah,
Speaker 2: like I know there's there's there's opportunities for life out
Speaker 2: the boxing, you know, with a made of mind. We
Speaker 2: started a barbershop up in town with little things like this,
Speaker 2: you know. Just but at the same time, I trying
Speaker 2: not to think about it because I'm already thinking about
Speaker 2: in my head it's going to why I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't want to say, but kind of to soften up
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know. I mean, I'm already thinking
Speaker 2: of retiring over the hill that I can't. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just such a cutthroat sport and industry that I've got
Speaker 2: to have this animal mindset the whole time, you know,
Speaker 2: on the top level. So look, I know it's there,
Speaker 2: but I know it's still a long way away. My
Speaker 2: body's in my prime. But yeah, I've just got to
Speaker 2: be strict on the job and strict keep this same
Speaker 2: mindset onset for a fighter, because we're going in and
Speaker 2: you can get really hurt, like unfortunate people have died,
Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, we're going in there too, yeah,
Speaker 2: to fight, you know. So it's I've got to keep
Speaker 2: that mindset, that warrior mindset. I have to so I
Speaker 2: can't look and think about that because it just doesn't
Speaker 2: work hand in hand, you know, Like for me, if
Speaker 2: I to think of retirement, it's kick back, relaxed, you know,
Speaker 2: and yeah, more relaxed mindset where it doesn't work as
Speaker 2: a fighter as a fighter all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's interesting you should say that line because
Speaker 3: I'm trying to work out is Liam Parow the animal
Speaker 3: or is Liam Parow being the animal because he knows
Speaker 3: that's what he's got.
Speaker 1: To do, that's the job. Do you ever think to
Speaker 1: yourself which one am I? Or are you both? Because
Speaker 1: you can't be both.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And I think I am both because when I'm
Speaker 2: at home, I do switch off. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: watch much boxing because it's my life, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. When I'm away from it and I'm with
Speaker 2: my family, that's it. It's switched off. You know.
Speaker 1: You must watch footy, that watch queen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch your foot That's a good way to
Speaker 2: switch off, you know, especially when you blaze your beat.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're in New South Wales, but we just yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see, We'll just let you have the first one.
Speaker 1: You notice, I will see.
Speaker 2: But yeah, look, going back to that, I think definitely
Speaker 2: I want to switch on and I'm very good at that.
Speaker 2: You ask anyone around me. Then when I flick the switch,
Speaker 2: I can flick the switch when it's business and when
Speaker 2: it's time to relax, it's I.
Speaker 1: Can because that's your business, isn't it.
Speaker 2: That is it's my it's my livelihood. But in going that,
Speaker 2: that's the motivation. That's what I'm doing, is putting food
Speaker 2: on the family. This is how I'm going to set
Speaker 2: my family up and be able to relax, and when
Speaker 2: it's all said and done, be like I gave them
Speaker 2: my best shot and they're in a good position because
Speaker 2: I had to turn into that person, you know, that
Speaker 2: that that animal to make it happen. You know, that's
Speaker 2: just how it is. So when I go to work,
Speaker 2: it's like anyone. When you go to work, you switch on,
Speaker 2: You do your thing, You do what you've got to do,
Speaker 2: put food on the table. And then yeah, when when
Speaker 2: you're at home you relax.
Speaker 1: You know, and that that's pretty good that you've actually
Speaker 1: thought that through and you know, you reconcile all those things,
Speaker 1: because if you don't reconcile all those things. Then it
Speaker 1: can all all these things going to have and get confused.
Speaker 1: And then when you've got to be on you might
Speaker 1: be thinking about some other ship and that, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, those little sort of little noises get
Speaker 1: in your head because you can't allow any noise in
Speaker 1: your head. When you walk out there on that canvas,
Speaker 1: you get up them stairs, you get through the rapes
Speaker 1: on the canvas, it's just you. Alvi's not there that
Speaker 1: he'll will be the end of the round. But all
Speaker 1: he's really going to be doing is say, put your
Speaker 1: legs out there and your price on your head and mate.
Speaker 1: But like half the time, you probably but as the
Speaker 1: rounds go on, it's hard and hard to even understand
Speaker 1: what they're saying. For sure, they just they just you
Speaker 1: just want to say, just breathe couldn't see me. That's tough,
Speaker 1: is yeah, definitely is tough. It's pretty big deal like that,
Speaker 1: ability to be able to keep your thoughts nice and contained,
Speaker 1: then into the fight between the rounds, continue to be
Speaker 1: able to be prepared to go back out there even
Speaker 1: though you might be losing. You might think you're losing,
Speaker 1: you might know you're losing. You know, you know the
Speaker 1: game better well enough.
Speaker 2: You can much getting told in the corner.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you. You've got to go and win the
Speaker 1: next for something rounds. So it's it's brutal. There's no
Speaker 1: second place here, no way. What is your process of
Speaker 1: when you're between rounds? What are you thinking to yourself?
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 1: Do you actually think yourself? Are you so muscle memoried?
Speaker 2: Look, it kind of becomes second nature. I'm doing it
Speaker 2: my whole life. So going back there, the first thing
Speaker 2: we're doing is we're just breathing, slow, heart rate down.
Speaker 2: That's it before even any speaker's done. And I'm very
Speaker 2: blessed to have a good corner like that. We're very calm,
Speaker 2: and that's a big thing. You see some corners people
Speaker 2: uh like like stressing and worried and it just exactly
Speaker 2: el slap and fight or whatever. You you watch.
Speaker 1: Us or say nothing or say done dumb.
Speaker 2: Shit, exactly right, Just it's adding extra stress. You know,
Speaker 2: things aren't already obviously you're knowing in that situation aren't
Speaker 2: going your way the last thing and he is more stress,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's where I've got to give the
Speaker 2: credit to Alvia for that he can control the corner. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You know, we get back to the corner before anything said.
Speaker 2: It's always just three massive breaths, slow the heart rate down,
Speaker 2: and then you will tell me, right, Liam, look this
Speaker 2: is happening. But usually by then, I've never been in
Speaker 2: a fight where I'm out of it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So I understand the right, I know what
Speaker 2: he's saying. That round's obviously not gone our way, or
Speaker 2: that round is unbelievable. But a big thing for us
Speaker 2: is and it comes back to fitness, is turn the screws.
Speaker 2: Every round, we turn the screws a bit more pressure,
Speaker 2: keep turning them, turning and turning it because come to
Speaker 2: the later fights, later round sorry, they slowly to tend
Speaker 2: to they start to slow off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just yeah, it's kind of yeah, like
Speaker 2: muscle memory in a way. But at the same time
Speaker 2: as it's all I know really too, you know, like
Speaker 2: this this is what I've done my whole life. This
Speaker 2: is it, Like I'm so programmed as a fighter. They
Speaker 2: want to go in there.
Speaker 1: Program is a good word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, OK, I am like this is day in, day out.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's boxing, it's it's fighting. It's yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty nine fights, twenty eight fights as a pronow, so
Speaker 2: I've had a few. It's yeah, it's all I know. Really,
Speaker 2: that's it's us.
Speaker 1: You should say programming. That's that's really interesting. So your
Speaker 1: brain is programmed to do this, so it probably doesn't
Speaker 1: need a lot of other thought. Yeah, at the event,
Speaker 1: it's just let the program take over.
Speaker 2: That's right, just do you You've done this so many times.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, just let it do it do its course.
Speaker 2: Like you said, it is, it's programmed. I'm trained to fight.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm doing, so my body knows what
Speaker 2: to do, you know what I mean. And yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just it's just the way it is. I guess, like
Speaker 2: it's yeah, that's a good question. But that's that's it.
Speaker 2: Like I'm my happiest so when I'm fighting, I really am.
Speaker 2: I just love it so much. You don't mind getting hit,
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's all part of it. You can't
Speaker 2: swim without getting wet. What was going to happen when
Speaker 2: I signed up to do this stuff? And I love it?
Speaker 2: You know, it's character building.
Speaker 1: So it's funny, you know, but because you know the
Speaker 1: romantic side of the fight game is, you know, you
Speaker 1: think of rocky movies and stuff like that. And he
Speaker 1: looks across there and he sees Adrian this is and
Speaker 1: then he comes does the big comeback, and he wins
Speaker 1: the fight. I mean, do you ever rely on your
Speaker 1: wife or family, or your mum or dad or anyone
Speaker 1: else in the crowd? You ever? Have you ever looked
Speaker 1: across got a bit of motivation and inspiration?
Speaker 2: No, look, I know that, I know that's in me already.
Speaker 2: You know, if the gone gets tough and another one
Speaker 2: is my late mate red and grieve that I promised
Speaker 2: the world title, all else has got to do is
Speaker 2: rg You know, that's it. You know you're doing this
Speaker 2: for you know he's made a promise and.
Speaker 1: Could tell us the story about that.
Speaker 2: Well, it was my best mate you know, grew up
Speaker 2: in mccai who grew up together playing footy, right, I
Speaker 2: went to school together and yeah he was signed with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. He was an unbelievable and rol player would
Speaker 2: have been superstar, hand on heart, unbelievable at about seventeen
Speaker 2: eighteen or six three one hundred kilos run like eleven
Speaker 2: second hundred meters, just a freak athlete and unfortunately battled
Speaker 2: mental health, you know, and he lost his battle and
Speaker 2: then took his own life into twenty fifteen, which was devastating.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty rough time in life. And that's
Speaker 2: when before when I said, I've faced bigger reversity outside
Speaker 2: the ring than what I've ever faced in there, and
Speaker 2: that was one of them. You know. That time of
Speaker 2: life was pretty down, you know, because dad just had
Speaker 2: a big operation. He was in hospital. Then they passed
Speaker 2: away from a bear ol ball I think it was
Speaker 2: austral coliitis or something like that. It was close, so
Speaker 2: he was he got rushed to Townsville. He come back
Speaker 2: because yeah, it was it was. It was close, you know,
Speaker 2: and if they didn't get it when he did, I
Speaker 2: would have lost him. And then on Australi Day twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: Reagan took his life, you know, he hung himself.
Speaker 1: And that was shit.
Speaker 2: But it was it was the worst thing ever, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It was. It was horrible because
Speaker 2: we grew up together, you know, and he he never
Speaker 2: knew his old boy in music with my dad dad
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and we didn't go to the
Speaker 2: same We're always together doing shit, you know, always, and
Speaker 2: we didn't go to the same day party on Australia
Speaker 2: Day and I remember ringing him so well catch up later,
Speaker 2: yeah rah rah, And that just never happened. He just
Speaker 2: never did. You know. There's so many questions going into
Speaker 2: that as far out of you know, like what if,
Speaker 2: But look at it. That's that's fortunately, that's life. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I just know he's in a better place
Speaker 2: with Gordon now. You know, I'm a big believe in
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, and I know you'd have him up there,
Speaker 2: so I'll see him when my time's ready. But there
Speaker 2: was the whole keep of my world was he was
Speaker 2: going to be a superstar and rugby league. I was
Speaker 2: a superstar and boxing and I said that was it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going to live in the big penny hours young kids,
Speaker 2: and that was the dream. Yeah, we're just going to
Speaker 2: be superstars and what we did, and yeah, what a
Speaker 2: great story.
Speaker 1: It's Aussie boys from you know, yeah, both having a
Speaker 1: dream through sport. Yeah that they could change their life
Speaker 1: and you have this wonderful life.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, That's what That's what it was, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's why I was on all my trunks. Just
Speaker 2: you're right from the daydight. It's I've always got his
Speaker 2: initials ig, you know, because I say we we did it.
Speaker 2: We conquered the world. And that's I've got a tattoo
Speaker 2: there on my on my ribs is conquered the world,
Speaker 2: because that's what we're going to do. We're young, ambitious,
Speaker 2: young kids with dreams and we're going to conquer it.
Speaker 2: And you know, winning that world title was a way
Speaker 2: of doing that. And look, that's motivation from me. Like
Speaker 2: I said, that's when the going gets tough, Alpha just
Speaker 2: g you know what I mean. And that's a big one.
Speaker 2: And obviously my family and just like I said, goes
Speaker 2: back to putting food on the table for them. I know,
Speaker 2: if it's going to get hard, you know, like what
Speaker 2: would be harder is not being able to provide.
Speaker 1: For them, you know, so they'd be totally stuffed.
Speaker 2: To me, especially as a man, you want to provide
Speaker 2: for your family where we're provided. That's what we are,
Speaker 2: hunter gatherers from back in the day, you know. So
Speaker 2: that's what I want to do and the boxing is
Speaker 2: that way. So that's a mindset I've got. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean it's yeah, just like I said, programmed
Speaker 2: to be like that. That's just how I am, you know.
Speaker 2: And I've turned those bad situations into motivation in a way.
Speaker 2: You know. So when the going gets tough, like and
Speaker 2: then the sixth round of them Ma Tiars fight, you
Speaker 2: know it's you're going to face that. But I've been
Speaker 2: hit with things harder outside the boxing ring that have
Speaker 2: looking away. I guess just readied me for this, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's readed me for these hard
Speaker 2: heart adversities that I'm going to face and still to face.
Speaker 2: It's just life. Nothing good comes easy, you know. And
Speaker 2: we're from We grew up in the working class in
Speaker 2: my ole boy and all guys said, you want something,
Speaker 2: you got to work for it, and yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: I'm about.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about representing Australian boxing on the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth? But how do you feel about representing Australia.
Speaker 2: I'm a proud Aussie. I love it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And to be able to make the dream
Speaker 2: reality a second time on home soil, it's going to
Speaker 2: be more special to me. You know. People say, well,
Speaker 2: it's your first world title. Yeah, but I wanted abroad.
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't really celebrate until we got on
Speaker 2: the plane to be able to do it in Australia
Speaker 2: in front of the Australian public and on home soil.
Speaker 2: That's what dreams are made of. And I'm getting tingles
Speaker 2: talking about It's crazy. I'm so ready.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when Jeff Horn beat MANI pacl A's uncorp.
Speaker 2: Yeah? You remember that?
Speaker 1: Were you there? I was there?
Speaker 2: I was there?
Speaker 1: Oh really, Julu, Yeah, because I was the main spiral
Speaker 1: partner for so you're you were near his corner.
Speaker 2: We were way up.
Speaker 1: We were way up in the under the bleachers.
Speaker 2: Yeah the bleachers. We're watching the screen anyway, But just
Speaker 2: the atmosphere for sold out crowd was crazy. And story
Speaker 2: about that. I remember I was sitting with Angelo de Carlo,
Speaker 2: which is my manager Ace Boxing, and he turned to
Speaker 2: me after Horn beat Pack because we're gone good and
Speaker 2: spying with Horn. He turned to me and he said,
Speaker 2: you can fucking do this. And then that was just man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that just was not the turning point but
Speaker 2: one of the big crucial points of I can't. I
Speaker 2: really can. Like they gave me the self belief even
Speaker 2: more than what I had to be able to know
Speaker 2: that I was going to win my own world title,
Speaker 2: get on the track. It was just because we were
Speaker 2: going so well with Horn in the gym. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm very appreciative of that opportunity. I had three profiles
Speaker 2: at the time, I only just started my pro career
Speaker 2: and getting to call up at the main spa partner
Speaker 2: for freaking many pakiw my idol. I was like, oh man,
Speaker 2: they must think I'll go right, you.
Speaker 1: Know, well because you have got yours your left handed to.
Speaker 2: Correct, yeah, southboard to It just gave him good honest work.
Speaker 1: And are you a left hander or just a south boy?
Speaker 1: A lot of full because a lot of yeah, because
Speaker 1: a lot of not not all, not all south boys,
Speaker 1: the left handers, as you know, but like your actual
Speaker 1: properly left handed, so left your strengths in your left side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, that's.
Speaker 1: That's the that's your bomb. That particular event like that
Speaker 1: gave me gives me goose ones. I remember it. But
Speaker 1: the way Jeff Horn, I think it was the ninth
Speaker 1: when the referee coming to listen. If you don't show
Speaker 1: me something, I'm going to call it that. At the
Speaker 1: end of the round, obviously we're the beginning before the
Speaker 1: next round. And because I think Jeff I might might
Speaker 1: be wrong, might have been the eighth, but doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He coppied a bit of a heid and in the
Speaker 1: ninth round I think it was and and he had
Speaker 1: he dropped his hands, but he came back in the
Speaker 1: tenth and obviously he won it. You must have got
Speaker 1: like yeahs to me, that's not something I'm never going
Speaker 1: to forget that event. We are we expecting that sort
Speaker 1: of courage to come from someone like you leam Parow,
Speaker 1: that level of courage.
Speaker 2: You know, it happened kind of the same to me
Speaker 2: in the sixth round against Suberio Matiars And for people
Speaker 2: that don't know, at that time, subail Mateirs was stopping
Speaker 2: everyone on the stool, undefeated fighters all around the world.
Speaker 2: No one wanted to fight him, and we asked for
Speaker 2: the fight. Mattrium like you just feeling all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: we are. We We knew what we we could do,
Speaker 2: and I've faced diversity in my whole life. I know
Speaker 2: how to come on the other side of it, and
Speaker 2: that's what makes a true champion. You know, everything's good
Speaker 2: when it's all rainbow and sunshines. But it's when your
Speaker 2: back's against the wall how you prevail. I've proven many
Speaker 2: times that I can come out on top. So it's there.
Speaker 2: It's in me one hundred percent. It's there if I
Speaker 2: if I need it, you know.
Speaker 1: If you have to dig deep.
Speaker 2: Or I know the the risks of going into boxing.
Speaker 2: I know I'm going in there with the risk of
Speaker 2: maybe never coming out and seeing my family.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's that's the risk we take every time you step
Speaker 2: through the ropes. I know what it takes. Like I said,
Speaker 2: this is my life, this is I'm built for this stuff,
Speaker 2: I really am. And yeah, look if it's there, it's there.
Speaker 2: But look, we want a good night in the office.
Speaker 2: You know we're going to pick an. Can we just
Speaker 2: finish off for the first round.
Speaker 1: We don't get paid over time, so you don't get
Speaker 1: you don't get any more money for the best rounds.
Speaker 2: No, exactly right, not at all.
Speaker 1: It's either you know, the first minute and a half
Speaker 1: or the last minute of the last round doesn't make
Speaker 1: much difference. You get paid the same amount of money.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember George Keimbosa is sitting here
Speaker 1: once and he said to me, he's prepared to die
Speaker 1: and the ring for his family. Yep, he said, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm prepared to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big call. Look, it is a big call.
Speaker 2: But like I said, we know the risks we're going
Speaker 2: in for, you know what I mean. And that's that's it.
Speaker 2: Where we're soldiers, we're warriors, and that's what we do.
Speaker 2: We're going in there and the main, the main motivation
Speaker 2: is to fight for a better life for us and
Speaker 2: our loved one.
Speaker 1: So that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 2: Actually it is. That's what we're in there for, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's yeah, it's taken so much
Speaker 2: of so much sacrifices to get here, and yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just that's what we're doing. We doing it to give
Speaker 2: our family better lives.
Speaker 1: About the no limit guys, because I'm going to talking
Speaker 1: to you when you're signed up a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago now it would be three, three, four years ago.
Speaker 2: Last year?
Speaker 1: Last year?
Speaker 2: Was that last I have been the end of Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, when I'm sitting at the
Speaker 2: wolves there, yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a couple years ago. My god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was only last year. And then just talk about
Speaker 1: the Rose brothers.
Speaker 2: They're unbelievable. I can't talk good enough about them, you know,
Speaker 2: especially getting this world title shot as a challenger to
Speaker 2: win the post bids.
Speaker 1: How important is it for you in relationship? They have
Speaker 1: to do the negotiation. How's it worked?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they have the negotiation. So they want to
Speaker 2: buy something I think twenty five fifty grand or something
Speaker 2: just so small, but against a massive promoter in edite
Speaker 2: Home which had the champion, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So man, for them to believe in me that much
Speaker 2: is just oh yeah, honestly, I'm forever thankful. And oh
Speaker 2: I show that thanks by giving them a belt to
Speaker 2: hang in their no Limit office.
Speaker 1: As if we're feel to put Eddie on the back foot,
Speaker 1: Oh look.
Speaker 2: It'd be unbelievable. But at the same time, there's no animosity.
Speaker 1: It's business, no, of course, but like exactly, it is
Speaker 1: a fucking moment, but a little bit ye yeah, well
Speaker 1: you do it to you one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, would any any day of the week, and
Speaker 2: it's business and that's that's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: It's gonna feel a bit sweeter, Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: jumped on the other side of the grass is greener
Speaker 2: and I'll prove that by taking your forwards a belt.
Speaker 1: Well, because it's funny because I remember years ago when
Speaker 1: I interviewed Eddie on the show, actually years ago, he
Speaker 1: was talking me coming to Australia and and taking on
Speaker 1: the actually setting up here and taking on No Limit
Speaker 1: everybody else and all the other promoters here, and of
Speaker 1: course he didn't end up doing it. So like, from
Speaker 1: me a naussy point of view, I want you to
Speaker 1: toe them up because because because it's you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm here supporting the No Limit guys. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: here supporting the Aussies exactly, the whole group of not
Speaker 1: just not just leaving power, but everything to do with
Speaker 1: your camp everything, Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the Australian way. That's that's how it should be.
Speaker 2: You know, we're proud Ausies and yeah, exactly, we win
Speaker 2: the belt from them and then people can travel over
Speaker 2: this side of the pond to challenge for it because
Speaker 2: we always bring him back here exactly. You know, we're
Speaker 2: always traveling, we're always on the road. You know, we've
Speaker 2: got so die hard fans here that always have to
Speaker 2: in Australia is very isolated you know, it's a long
Speaker 2: way traveling anywhere. So to bring that pull and power
Speaker 2: with that bell, bring the big time boxing totally, man's
Speaker 2: that's exciting and we deserve it, you know, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to do everything to make that happen.
Speaker 1: What do you recognize is we punch away beyond our
Speaker 1: weight division given in a small country. I mean we're
Speaker 1: fighting blokes in America and everywhere else around the world.
Speaker 1: Who there's hundreds of millions of people to choose from.
Speaker 1: We've got We actually ticked over twenty eight million people
Speaker 1: in Australia last week, funnily enough. But we tend to
Speaker 1: do well in every sport. We we smash them, but
Speaker 1: boxing we do particularly well. Yeah, what do you reckon it?
Speaker 1: Is it a junior junior system or because that's pretty
Speaker 1: average actually amateur system is you know, it's okay, it's
Speaker 1: nothing particularly clever about it. What is it about us?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's just Assie's in general.
Speaker 2: You know, we're just a bit of hard nuts. Everyone
Speaker 2: knows everyone around the world is crazy Aussies and I
Speaker 2: think it just suits him well. With boxing.
Speaker 1: Do you think we are?
Speaker 2: We're toughs bloody one hundred. Definitely, we're definitely tough. That's
Speaker 2: just ossies are. No one is tough, tough people, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we just got that. I think just coming we're a
Speaker 2: lot of from the working class conder, you know, blue
Speaker 2: collar kind of that's it. Like we've just bought up,
Speaker 2: growing up with work ethic and we know that if
Speaker 2: you want something, you've got to work for it. I
Speaker 2: think that's a lot of Australia in general. We've got
Speaker 2: that mind. So that's how we're brought up. You know,
Speaker 2: we're just we're from the working class, so we're gonna, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going to work harder than others, you know. And
Speaker 2: it's showing, you know, for the amount of numbers we've
Speaker 2: got in boxing, amount of champions have had compared to
Speaker 2: like you said, America or the UK, it's phenomenal, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a percentage rate ridiculous. So how many champions have
Speaker 2: had fighters compared to other places of the world.
Speaker 1: We look at the UFC like even that, like Rob
Speaker 1: Whitticker and you know us Alex and of course you
Speaker 1: know there's a there's a whole leap of them. You know.
Speaker 2: Do you ever get to talk to YOUFC guys ever
Speaker 2: have ever said to you.
Speaker 1: A limb would you let it come over you? No way,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get they don't want to depend
Speaker 1: on the ground.
Speaker 2: I would probably end up byting or something. I'll stick
Speaker 2: to boxing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the stand up part of the UFC is
Speaker 1: pretty good now because there's a lot more stand up.
Speaker 1: I mean, a boxer like you, you would probably give
Speaker 1: them a fairly hard time.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I just need to work on me wrestling.
Speaker 2: But look, if if anything happened down the track there's
Speaker 2: a big crossover fight, you know, I'd be open to it,
Speaker 2: really yeah, one hundred percent. You know I love fighting
Speaker 2: and humble me really fast. You never forget taken in
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: But look, you just stay away from them.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you said, don I guess what
Speaker 1: about if Netflix come along?
Speaker 2: Oh? Look, if they dangled enough carrots or yeah.
Speaker 1: Because many pack I was looking at fighting, who's many
Speaker 1: are going to look like the un fight again? Mayweather? Again?
Speaker 1: I think it's for Netflix. I think I think that's
Speaker 1: a good deal. You know, whether it's an exhibition or
Speaker 1: an actual sanction fight, we'll see. But because I just
Speaker 1: want to ask you what do you think about that process?
Speaker 1: It's because a lot of there's a lot of boxing
Speaker 1: events now starting to unfold on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Making it it's a big entertainment massive platform's.
Speaker 1: Huge, like and it's free too, like people don't even
Speaker 1: have to subscribe for it when they subscribe to Netflix,
Speaker 1: but they don't have to pay extra for it. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that where boxing could be going?
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you're a purist, You're an actual stand
Speaker 1: up fighter fighting on all the sanctioned groups in the
Speaker 1: old school way. But the fight game is starting to
Speaker 1: morph change a little bit for sure, into bigger entertainment venues.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: As a fighter?
Speaker 2: Look at all honesty, I will probably have never got
Speaker 2: sign with Mattroom. I thought my first fight on the
Speaker 2: Jake Paul Undergart, Tom Woodley and they opened a lot
Speaker 2: of doors for me. And I've always said, you know,
Speaker 2: if it's going to bring new eyes to the sport
Speaker 2: and help build it, I'm all for it. You can't
Speaker 2: deny that. You know, it's building the sport for us,
Speaker 2: which is everything. Bigger payday is, bigger potential sponsors, more eyes, everything,
Speaker 2: So I'm for it, you know, what I mean. And
Speaker 2: look like you said, I am straightforward. The belts I
Speaker 2: locked that way. You don't want to be a unified chain.
Speaker 2: That's obviously the dreams, that's like that. Of course, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: But then look you go, you've won the belts, You've
Speaker 2: done all this. Then you think, maybe, look if I'm
Speaker 2: getting just say fifty mil versus a five meal something
Speaker 2: like that, you've won the belts, You've got nothing else left,
Speaker 2: no brain It kind of is, you know, because we're
Speaker 2: prize fighters at the end of the day. Ye people
Speaker 2: that say they're not in it for the money, they
Speaker 2: are talking a bit of shit because unfortunately, you can't
Speaker 2: eat with belts.
Speaker 1: I've got the world title belt at home, and you
Speaker 1: know it sits in the cupboard. You know, they might
Speaker 1: be able to make a soup out of it, the
Speaker 1: exactly crunch.
Speaker 2: You knock me teeth out with it all. But you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you've got to and it goes
Speaker 2: back to feeding your family and setting your family up.
Speaker 2: And if you've done it, you've won it the titles,
Speaker 2: and you've made your legacy there, then why not chase
Speaker 2: the money. Why not? It's a big retirement fund and
Speaker 2: things like that, the platforms like Netflix or crossover fights.
Speaker 2: Then you'd be silly not to you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: People are gonna people are gonna talk, no matter what
Speaker 2: good or bad. Let them talk. And it's usually people
Speaker 2: doing worse than you are. They're going to talk about you.
Speaker 2: The people doing better they would understand. I'm sure they
Speaker 2: would probably.
Speaker 1: Well, they're probably jealous made at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, there's an old mate fuck that were grudges,
Speaker 1: you know, like if they're going to be big grudge
Speaker 1: in you trying to earn a better living, who gives
Speaker 1: the stuff? I mean, I don't mind with Jake, Paul
Speaker 1: and his brother do. It's no big deal for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just make it more popular. And by
Speaker 1: the way, all of us so called pious, we all
Speaker 1: end up watching it. We all watch man and we
Speaker 1: can carry on about it like them. You want to
Speaker 1: watch them and it comes back on. We watch it
Speaker 1: because it's entertainment. At the end of the day, I'm
Speaker 1: watching you, exactly, and I'm going to watch them because
Speaker 1: I'm looking for entertainment exactly. And I love that sort
Speaker 1: of blood sport. I like it. You know, of course,
Speaker 1: a lot of people hate it, but I like it okay,
Speaker 1: and so nobody. And you're the one doing it. I
Speaker 1: can't actually think anything bad of you because you're the one.
Speaker 1: You're still going to get hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, You're still getting whacked.
Speaker 1: You still have to do all the training to get
Speaker 1: up there, You still make all the sacrifices get to
Speaker 1: that point. You just don't sit on your on your
Speaker 1: arse and do nothing and you turn up because you're
Speaker 1: going to put all the effort into it. And for me,
Speaker 1: and I think there's pretty much you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people winging your plan about it for me, entertainment, entertainment,
Speaker 1: I don't give it what down one venue. And if
Speaker 1: you end up with that fifty that you just said,
Speaker 1: that will get you the pent house. You talked about,
Speaker 1: your dreamed about when.
Speaker 2: Your generational wealth kind of thing, you know, change of
Speaker 2: life gone through exactly the same motions, copping the punches,
Speaker 2: all the sacrifices for a better reward. Yeah, man, like
Speaker 2: that's anyone would do it exactly right. And anyone that
Speaker 2: says otherwise talking out.
Speaker 1: Their ears, Yeah, you're totally feeling shit exactly. So what
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to get ahead of you,
Speaker 1: So I know you got I know you got twenty
Speaker 1: fourth in your mind. What's going to happen on that night?
Speaker 1: Happens like that night. But watching the big dream, mate,
Speaker 1: what's after that unification?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: Chase the belts?
Speaker 2: You know the names I said before, Ryan Garcia, Devin
Speaker 2: Han's many pack. Yeo, he doesn't have a belt, but
Speaker 2: still a legacy name.
Speaker 1: That'd be a big that'd be huge, unbelievable, that's that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy money, you know, and that would be something
Speaker 1: for you like idol.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, no disrespect to money. But if you reckons,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't even care if you're seventy years old. If
Speaker 2: he wants to fight, we will fight him, like exactly.
Speaker 2: He's my favorite fight of all time. Yeah, so to
Speaker 2: share the ring with him will be unbelievable. And look, yes,
Speaker 2: over the hill, it would be an honor. But look
Speaker 2: it's he's made' he's cross. It's my time. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I've got I've got mouths to feed, so it's unfortunately
Speaker 2: it's the game. We'll shake his hand, I'll share him
Speaker 2: with me a laughter. But when that bell rings me
Speaker 2: and I'm doing everything to put you on my rigemes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just another another notch on the gun, another notch
Speaker 2: on the belt that's well made up. It's just been
Speaker 2: a great pleasure of mine and I really appreciate your
Speaker 2: honesty for today and and.
Speaker 1: I don't want to wish you good luck. You just
Speaker 1: go and do what you do best, mate, No, thank
Speaker 1: you appreciate good luck's or bullshit. You just go ahead
Speaker 1: and do what you do best and what you've been
Speaker 1: training for your whole life and what you're ready to do.
Speaker 1: And I think your motivation mate, you've already said it
Speaker 1: is to put food on the table and look after
Speaker 1: your family and don't forget. But that's your mate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well done mate, Thank you very much much.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Jeers