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Speaker 1: Len Para, stay talk.

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Speaker 2: Mate, thank you, thanks for having me. It's a true pleasure.

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Speaker 1: He are you feeling your prep?

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Speaker 2: Feeling really good? Of couse, I'd come miss this opportunity, mate,

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Speaker 2: So you're ready, ready to make history and hopefully join

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Speaker 2: the likes of the great Jeff Finick in the same

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Speaker 2: sentence as two division champions. So yeah, just excited.

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Speaker 1: You're fighting in a worldweight division. One hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: seven pounds, is that right? What is that in kilos

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Speaker 1: these days?

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Speaker 2: Sixty six point six sixty six point sixty six point

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Speaker 2: six seven kilos.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I still works in pounds because of

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Speaker 1: the American system. But lim has gone up aweight division,

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Speaker 1: which is not that much really. I mean it's only

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Speaker 1: a couple of pounds. It's not a big deal because

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Speaker 1: normally you're in the super lightweight division. Traditionally you've been

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Speaker 1: super late. That was your last world.

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Speaker 2: Title, correct, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was it super lightweight, super lightweight forty pounds, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: seven pounds lighter. Let's take you outside of training, what

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Speaker 1: was your normally walking around it?

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Speaker 2: Look now getting a bit older. Just touched thirty of them,

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Speaker 2: about seventy eight seventy nine kilos, my body willn't actually get.

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Speaker 1: To normally yeah normally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, them are keeping regularly fit, but not camp modes.

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Speaker 2: So that was a big enough indication. You know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've been a one forty pounder for my whole career.

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Speaker 2: I started a professional I was at eighteen years old,

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Speaker 2: and it's only two fights ago. I decided to go

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Speaker 2: up after I lost the title to Richardson Hitchins. There

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Speaker 2: no excuses. I felt good on the night, but the

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Speaker 2: last few fights away Cup was starting to get pretty brutal.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, when I was naturally getting over

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Speaker 2: the seventy three mark, I was saying, hang on, it's

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Speaker 2: time to let the body do it sing and mature

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Speaker 2: and yeah, now up at walterweight and finally filled in here.

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Speaker 1: If you're walking around to seventy eight but you're fighting

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Speaker 1: at sixty seven now you were talking about eleven kilos. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your prep periods like twelve are twelve forty weeks out

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Speaker 1: of it? Well, this one was was a shorter one,

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Speaker 1: but shorter it was a nine week camp so wow

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Speaker 1: kind of yeah, but look in saying that it's not

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Speaker 1: those four three to four kilos of killing myself now,

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Speaker 1: you know, like one forty seven. I've got the room

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Speaker 1: to sit at heavier, thank god, because I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: made one forty in nine weeks, as it would have

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Speaker 1: been impossible. Let's say I had twelve weeks to make

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Speaker 1: one forty, you probably could make it, but maybe you

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Speaker 1: could explain the net effect on you so like, because

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Speaker 1: when you go into the fight, you're like, you only

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Speaker 1: weighing a day or two before. You might get a

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Speaker 1: bit of rehydration back, but you've lost a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of power and strength.

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Speaker 2: And it's like I said, it's as crucial three to

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Speaker 2: four kilos. That was I was getting into my muscle masses.

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Speaker 2: The waterweight was gone, so I'm actually digging into my

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Speaker 2: body now, which doesn't make sense. You know, twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: I'm not my weakest where I've got to perform the

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Speaker 2: next day at my ability. So it was it was

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Speaker 2: getting to that, you know, and twenty four hours just

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Speaker 2: wasn't enough time to replenish it.

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Speaker 1: Just it just wasn't. It's dangerous to very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're taking the fluid away from your brain

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Speaker 2: and you're seeing boxing a lot. Unfortunately it happens a lot,

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Speaker 2: and it's in the light of weights. With the under

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Speaker 2: crucial weight cuts, people are taking the fluid out of

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Speaker 2: your brain. That's kind of your shock of all. But

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Speaker 2: you know where we're not playing marbles with cop and punches.

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Speaker 2: You know it's it's going to happen. So you want

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Speaker 2: to have your body and your health on tiptop because

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Speaker 2: there's life after boxing. Also, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: I want to see my kids grow up. I want

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Speaker 2: to remember things.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting you should say, because some old days,

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Speaker 1: old school boxes didn't really think about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've said, I've sent plenty of Australians who have fought

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Speaker 1: try to bully them. They bully them a bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, but then you come on stuck. When

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Speaker 2: it comes too much, you just don't have the time

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Speaker 2: to replenish, you know, and yeah, like I feel the

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Speaker 2: best now let my body do it, seem and even

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Speaker 2: just I've noticed this can mostly because the first my

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Speaker 2: last fight was my first fight at a full fledged

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Speaker 2: weld to weight against David Papoe and we decided five

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Speaker 2: weeks out, so I was still dieting to make the

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Speaker 2: one forty pound and it was just it was physically

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Speaker 2: too hard, and I said, dall for na. It was

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Speaker 2: it was happening sooner and later or later we said,

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Speaker 2: jump up. It was lucky enough to be a title

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Speaker 2: eliminator and now like having this obviously going forward a bit.

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Speaker 2: All the pullouts this year, you know, I was meant

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Speaker 2: to have a busy year. Last fight was September, two

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Speaker 2: guys pulling out the title eliminator, then Crocker. So if anything,

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Speaker 2: you've got to pick the positives out of it. And look,

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Speaker 2: I've been able to grow into a full fledged weld

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Speaker 2: to weight and I think people are going to be

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Speaker 2: super surprised because the last fight I was saying, you're

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Speaker 2: a bit small, but look I only did it in

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Speaker 2: five weeks. You know, Rome wasn't built in a day,

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Speaker 2: you know, what I mean, I need to let my

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Speaker 2: give my body to the nutrient's the right training to

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Speaker 2: grow it into a full fledged weld to weight and

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Speaker 2: we've done so now.

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Speaker 1: So it's a pretty pack division. War Wait, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a for me, one of the gun divisions. Like

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Speaker 1: you know, like I like I like watching for theweight

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Speaker 1: and but I really like well to weight. And we've

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Speaker 1: got some great names there, massive names, like the biggest names.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's it's the Glamor Division.

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Speaker 1: It's back to it.

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Speaker 2: And man Manny Packell's back boxing and look, he's a

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Speaker 2: legend of one. I watched him growing up and I've

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Speaker 2: talked to my coach, Alfred de Carlo a few times.

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Speaker 2: If we've got that fight, he's like one hundred percent,

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Speaker 2: you know, no disrespect money. He's at his times. It's

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Speaker 2: our time now. But look like, yeah, you've got the

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Speaker 2: Ryan Garciers, even though the Devin Haynes. It's it is

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Speaker 2: honestly the Glamor Division. And that's what lies ahead. You

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Speaker 2: I've got a big roadblock there in Lewis Crocker. He

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Speaker 2: knows what lies ahead. We both know, and that's what's

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Speaker 2: going to make this fight such a cracker. There's so

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Speaker 2: much on the horizon for him as well, both of us. Exactly,

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Speaker 2: the winner goes on. And that's boxing. It's so cutthroat,

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Speaker 2: you know. The other one's going to go back to

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Speaker 2: the drawing board. The other one's gonna rip the rewards

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Speaker 2: of champion, big big fights, big legacy fights, and that's

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Speaker 2: what that's also. But what makes it so exciting about boxing,

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Speaker 2: it's so cutthroat, you know, And that's that's what I love.

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Speaker 2: The competitiveness of it.

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Speaker 1: It's the young man's game. It's not something you to

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Speaker 1: be doing as you're old. How old he now?

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Speaker 2: Then I'm thirty years old, thirty years still it's still

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Speaker 2: in the territory. Definitely just hit my prime.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that way? Do you feel like you

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Speaker 1: just you feel like you're strong enough and like you

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Speaker 1: feel like you're at your optimal strength, physicality, understanding of

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Speaker 1: the game, ring craft, you feel all those are sort

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Speaker 2: I think I'm just coming into it, I really am,

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Speaker 2: you know. Was Yeah, they're confidence more confidence, yea, the IQ.

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Speaker 2: I've been a pro and now I've gone on ten

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Speaker 2: you know, which is crazy, but like it's yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: I'm in my prime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I'm black, still good, juicy, old bloke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they can do that, but I'll still run

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Speaker 2: rings around them, I guarantee.

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Speaker 1: But what is it that makes you feel confident? So, like,

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Speaker 1: is it how you train? Is it just watching other

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Speaker 1: and you think, I know how to beat that bloke.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is it? What are the things that

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Speaker 1: go to components that you look at. We've got the

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Speaker 1: best team in the world. I always say that because

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Speaker 1: I believe we do. We've conquered the world. We've we've

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Speaker 2: The world, won titles over there, and we've been at

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Speaker 2: the top level for a long time. And I've shown

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Speaker 2: you know, I obviously have the one little blame ish

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Speaker 2: it was a good lesson, but yeah, just I just

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Speaker 2: believe in myself. I know what I have within me,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And people have seen it

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Speaker 2: in fights, have faced with a verse and I always

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Speaker 2: come out on top, you know, because I've been hit

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Speaker 2: harder than the diversity in boxing, you know, with life,

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Speaker 2: losing close friends and stuff like that. So look, I

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Speaker 2: just I guess I've just got a knack. I've been

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Speaker 2: able to channel that negativity and use it as motivation,

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Speaker 2: I just believe in everything we've got, you know, like

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Speaker 2: back to my coach, Alvid de Carlo, he's got the

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Speaker 2: best boxing brains in the world. And I trust my

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Speaker 2: team too. That's a big thing. You know. I've been

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Speaker 2: just just good vibe always. It's just always confident.

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Speaker 2: Anyone that trains with us knows how hard we work.

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Speaker 2: And I surprise a lot of people every time they

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Speaker 2: come to the gym, and that's a big thing. I

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Speaker 2: believe fitness wins fights, and yeah, we're one of the fitters,

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Speaker 2: if not the fittest in the world.

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Speaker 1: Because I talked a lot of fighters, as you know,

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Speaker 1: and I've inviewed heaps of fighters before world titles, before

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Speaker 1: they get world titles, including UFC fighters, and I pride

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Speaker 1: myself and being able to do one thing. I can

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Speaker 1: tell from their eyes and there's a look that you're

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Speaker 1: giving me in the way you're talking and the look

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Speaker 1: in your eyes that I've seen in other guys and

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Speaker 1: girls who have won world titles. They're just getting a

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Speaker 1: really sort of not overconfident but relaxed. But at the

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Speaker 1: going on, you know what'sdropped for definitely, can I get

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Speaker 1: back to the Liam Parow, who's I don't know how

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Speaker 1: were when you first started.

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Speaker 2: Boxing twelve years old up in McKay.

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Speaker 1: While were you doing it? Why did you get to

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Speaker 1: your side box?

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Speaker 2: To be honest, it's one of my good mates, Tyson Best.

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Speaker 2: He was He was a professional as well. He was

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Speaker 2: in the rugby league off season. Rugby league is mad

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Speaker 2: in North Queensland and I've seen him doing his wraps

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Speaker 2: in the street and I was just curious, what are

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Speaker 2: you doing hand wraps? And can I come along? And honestly,

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Speaker 2: from that day, I've always I was a competitive kid,

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Speaker 2: slower pace, but yeah, it just sets up openings for them.

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00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,479
Speaker 2: Then that one punch power. You know, they just had

432
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 2: one punch to end it, you know what I mean.

433
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 2: So I don't I'm not here busy setting it up.

434
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm setting up with foot control, with faints, with distance,

435
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 2: and yeah, just making you frustrating your if you feel

436
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 2: like you're behind, make you reach, and then I'll teach

437
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,400
Speaker 2: with a shot.

438
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 1: So and what about in terms of body shots, So

439
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 1: like I don't sort of you're more you're sending me

440
00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 1: the top.

441
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: It's more straight punches. I'm more comfortab obviously on the

442
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 2: back on the on the outside boxing. That's that's just

443
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 2: the way it is, you know what I mean. And

444
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 2: people have even tried to press and close the gaps.

445
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: You've seen with Subero Matias, one of the best pressure

446
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: fighters at the time when I beat him for the title,

447
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: I just had footwork and straight punches or box on

448
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: the outside and not let him close the gap, which

449
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 2: is yeah, it's this piece of string is what we

450
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: call it. You know what I mean, where Alphie calls

451
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 2: it is just keep that distance the whole time with

452
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 2: your feet and with your feet and body exactly. Yeah,

453
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 2: it's mainly footwork though, you know what I mean, it's

454
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: not letting them close the gap, because if you're a

455
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: better inside fighter than me, why would I want to

456
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: let you give I'll give you opportunity of what exactly right,

457
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: If I can box your ears off from the outside

458
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 2: and not cop as much punishment, of course I'm going

459
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 2: to do that. And where does fitness come into it

460
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 2: for you? Fitness is still definitely right up there. I

461
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: still believe fitness is the main, the main key factor.

462
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: And we're about legs, I mean, because like boxes tend

463
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: to a lot. Yeah, and most of we don't even

464
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: know why, because it's not like you're running. You're not

465
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 2: like running a marathon or something. You're in the ring

466
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 2: for three minute rounds, twelve rounds three minutes, so like

467
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: it's not a marathon.

468
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: But why is it. You guys tend to run a

469
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: lot to.

470
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: Keep your legs strong, you know, because we're moving around,

471
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: we're cutting so many different angles, and you want fresh

472
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: legs for that reason for me is my legs slow down.

473
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: They're going to slow They're going to close the gap

474
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: in you know what I mean, They're going to be

475
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: able to get into a range that they're comfortable and

476
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: I look, I'm comfortable there, but not as comfy has

477
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: been able to box areas or from the outside. So yeah,

478
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: it's just you need like moleg's are my biggest, my

479
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: key factor. You know, I'll do a lot of running,

480
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: a lot of leg work and stuff like that, because yeah,

481
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: the minute they slow down, it's just going to be

482
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: able to give them advantage to close the gap and

483
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: and fight where they're comfy. So so if do you ever.

484
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: Think to you, have you ever been in a position

485
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: in a in a big fight where you've sort of

486
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: lost cool? He thought, fuck you like I'm going to.

487
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: You know, you should have done that, because every time

488
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: I watched you tend to be really strategic and sort

489
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: of quite poised. You don't, if anything, you tend to

490
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: egg them on a little bit. Yeah. I mean I

491
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: watched it with Brock me and Brock Jarvis, and you

492
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: sort of egged him on, like you set him up

493
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: to lose his school, Yeah for sure, and then you

494
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: haming him. So it was like a minute and a

495
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: half or something. Yeah, it was round one. But by

496
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: the way, you're both start, but you're both fighting for

497
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: a really important because both of you were being managed

498
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: by the same management in the UK. Correct, and whoever

499
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: lost was going to be out of the camp.

500
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that goes back to how cut through a

501
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: boxing is. You know, we'll fighting for that position of

502
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: someone's career advances and the other one goes back to

503
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: the drawing board. And that was us that fight. You know,

504
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 2: that was the first time mat Troom I've ever been

505
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: to Australia. It was the first Austrange show Brisbane. Yeah, yeah,

506
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: in Brazil, so it was it was unreal and well

507
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: it was a fifty to fifty five, you know, it

508
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: was with Brock being trained by the Great Jeff Finick.

509
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 2: It was it was a good build up because Jeff

510
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 2: and alf end that the car close and even if

511
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: you could feel the competitiveness, you know what I mean,

512
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: it was just that's what made it so much sweeter.

513
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: And look, you know you said, like I gave Jeff

514
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: a wink in the corner.

515
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: I remember the whole hype of it all.

516
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was surreal for me to

517
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: be in the opposite corner of the great Jeff Finick.

518
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: You know, like it was crazy. It was, It really was.

519
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: But that's that's what makes it exciting. That's one of

520
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: the biggest probably domestic fights. If you look at everything,

521
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: all the key factors and the backstory in Australia, it's huge.

522
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: Well, given that Brox credentially pretty good, like you fought

523
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: weight a couple of weight divisions, but like he was,

524
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: like I think it was well used featherweight champion or yeah, yeah,

525
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: I think he was something like that. Anyway, you guys

526
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: thought a light weight, yeah, it was a lightweight super

527
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: super light weight. Yeah, okay, so he thought that's a

528
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: couple of divisions up for him because he was he

529
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: was all a sudden, he like used something to get big. Yeah,

530
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: it was a massive event from my point of you anyway,

531
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: from for boxing as well. You then went on to

532
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: have a number of fives and you won the super

533
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: lightweight IBF and then you miss out miss out on

534
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: your defense same year later that year, last year twenty five,

535
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: you did two two fights. Yeah, I did a catchweight

536
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: with Navarro in June, yep, sixty five kilos and then

537
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: Papa in September, which was my first world's weight for it,

538
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: and that was you did that to become the mandatory

539
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: correct to get. Yeah, there's the title eliminador. To be

540
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: the fighter that got was next in line. What does

541
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: it mean for you? If and this IBF? So, what

542
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: does it mean for you to win the International Boxing

543
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: Federation World title championship.

544
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, you know, it's big money. It is, of

545
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: course it is, you know, ever since the life changing

546
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: it has been pretty life changing since I fought on

547
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: the Jake Pool card. You know, the signings from there

548
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: and what goes. But that's the that's from how old

549
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: are then, about twenty, I don't know, and maybe four

550
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: or five years ago, you know, but it's that's that

551
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: one percent that makes life changing and money to be

552
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: able to set yourself up. But people say they know

553
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: what gets to me when people call you lucky, But

554
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: they didn't see the kid from twelve years old that's

555
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: went right through with nothing. I was living in my

556
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: car at one stage, just to make it work, you know,

557
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: And that's it's it's not luck. It's just sheer, hard

558
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: work and determination and just a dream that I just

559
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: had that fire that I never let that flame go out.

560
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: You know, I knew I was going to do it.

561
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: Did you ever bring your dad when you live in

562
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: the car, No way, Yeah, it would have.

563
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Been, like I told you so, but nah, you know

564
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: what I mean. But he supports some big time and

565
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: you know it's just but you got to understand where

566
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: they're coming from. They come from a place of they

567
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: don't want to see their kids struggling, you know, when

568
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: obviously at that time, an apprenticeship was they were kind

569
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: of a way out, you know what I mean, setting

570
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: yourself up for life. So they just don't want to

571
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: see you in a bad position. And kind of I

572
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: guess be like I agreed to that in a way,

573
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, but.

574
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: Look, it's just he was giving you the right advice.

575
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: He was at the time because he cared for me.

576
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: He didn't want to see me go down the wrong plate,

577
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: the wrong path, and.

578
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: Well he knew one was one was guaranteed. If you

579
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: did an apprentice, you're guaranteed you can probably borrow some money,

580
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: buy a house, get married, have family, maybe just live

581
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: in the same area, maybe move out. But that's a

582
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal. Yeah, boxing is not even fifty to fifty.

583
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: No, exactly right, like one one hundred exactly, one hundred

584
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: percent is only what goes down like small as percentage

585
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: of being able to make enough to make a living

586
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: off from Very glad that I've been able to get

587
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: to that level. And honestly, I've got to thank a

588
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: lot of sponsors too to help me get there to

589
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: that level, you know what I mean. And so I've

590
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: still got some sponsors.

591
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: How does that work? Explain how the sponsors come into it? Like,

592
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're you know, the people give you

593
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: money to help you get through training camps because you've

594
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: got to earn money the whole time, But how does

595
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: it work for sponsors? Like why do they do it?

596
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: What's the deal.

597
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: Look, honestly, at the end of the day, it's just

598
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: the cornice out of their hearts. Like there's especially at

599
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: the start with the small platform. You're fighting in pubs,

600
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: in little halls, and you really can't give back. You

601
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: put obviously put their logo on the trunks, but you're

602
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: not even getting televised or nothing like that. It's no broadcasting,

603
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: no For what they're giving you, you really can't give

604
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: back to them. It's just it's just a good hearted

605
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: people wanting to help you succeed, you know what I mean.

606
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: I was still still laboring and then being able to

607
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: go full time. I think in twenty eighteen, I was

608
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: working for a company called Oxworks. I was, I was

609
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: working for them and the boss, Glenowskin, gave me an

610
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: opportunity to mad Le, I'll match your your wage and

611
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: you train full time. And to me, I was like,

612
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: at that time, I've made it, you know what I

613
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: mean of Bloody made it on full time fighter after

614
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: years and years and it's just, honestly, it's just the

615
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: cornice out of their hearts and that's Yeah, it just

616
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: shows that there's still good people in the world that

617
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: that back people, and it's just, yeah, I wouldn't be

618
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: where I am without without sponsors, with people. Luck Lenn

619
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: himself that that believed in me and gave me the

620
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: opportunity to, yeah, be able to tackle this full time

621
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: and flat out because you're noticed with the training. You know,

622
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: I was waking up early and then gone to labor

623
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: all day and then coming to the gym compared to

624
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: when I was fresh.

625
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: There's a huge leaves and bounds theah.

626
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: The year I went full time, I won the Australian title,

627
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: won the youth world title and it just skyrocketed. But

628
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be possible without without sponsors.

629
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: And did you win the lightweight world youth time.

630
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: Super lightweight yah, superlightwaight right from the start until two

631
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: fights ago.

632
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: So that's not a twenty three isn't it? Is it

633
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: twenty threes.

634
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: Under twenty three three?

635
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? And we've had a number of world champions in

636
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: this country. We don't have too many of the moment.

637
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: That's where Andrew Malaney picked up the title this week.

638
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: It was amazing, amazing.

639
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: Funny story. I was watching that. I went to the

640
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: AFL on the weekend and me and Jonathan Brown for

641
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: watching that fight Andrew Maloney's fight in the box up there,

642
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: So I love him.

643
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: He's awesome. Congratulations, Yeah, well done. I mean I'm a

644
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Maloney fan, both of them. It was amazing that he won.

645
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: It's because there's been a big comeback for him. Massive,

646
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: it's been a big journey for him. Like, how would

647
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: he be I think thirty four? Yeah, he's a few

648
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: years older than you. What about supportive family? So you've

649
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: got a kid, now, what do you got little ones? Boy?

650
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: And girl? What do you got girl? A little girl?

651
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Yep?

652
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Okay? And how old is she?

653
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: Seven?

654
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: And you're married?

655
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm married? Yeah?

656
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: And so your wife's name Tyler? Tyler?

657
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: And how important is her support for you? It's unbelievable.

658
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: She's a rock, you know, she really is. She's Without her,

659
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do. We'll get to where

660
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: I am, truly, honestly, I'm.

661
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: In a lot of fighters say that, but no, no,

662
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: tell me why that.

663
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: Just understands, you know what I mean. Like I've obviously

664
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: growing up younger, I had different young relationships. They like

665
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: the idea of dating a fighter, until they realized that

666
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of sacrifice. You know what I mean,

667
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: I was away a lot overseas and stuff like that,

668
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: but it's just, yeah, just the understanding, and there's a

669
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: comfort she gives me, you know what I mean. I'll

670
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: go home and I switch off, you know, because everything

671
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: is always boxing, boxing, boxing, It's it's just my comfy,

672
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: my happy and comfort place, you know, being with her

673
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: and being with the family and stuff like that. She worried, Ah, look,

674
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: not really. She knows it makes me happy, so that

675
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: makes her happy, you know what I mean. It's when

676
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: I've been injured and had timed off that's when it

677
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: kind of it's just the uncertainty for me, you know

678
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: what I mean.

679
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: And do you get anxious when that happens. What do

680
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: you like when you're with a certainty? Well, when you're

681
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: when you're injured and you can't fight.

682
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh, look, it was. It was a bit scary because

683
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: I've joked abound it before, Oh fucking box and take

684
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 2: so much out of me, you know, and this and that.

685
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: But when it was actually taken from me, that's when

686
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: I knew, Man, holy, I'm not ready to let this

687
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: go away.

688
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: It was.

689
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: It scared me, it really did. It was achilles injury

690
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: when I first got in twenty three when I first

691
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: got a well title opportunity, and it was crazy. Gone

692
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: back to having good people around. I'm glad to have

693
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: my family and my wife and that around me so

694
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: kept me ground and kept me positive. And yeah, look,

695
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: it's just it's very important having those people around because

696
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: if boxing was to go and I've got the support

697
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: base with me, it's just, yeah, like there's more to life,

698
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And there's more things to

699
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: look forward to life that I'm blessed with it with

700
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: having those people around. So do you ever say to yourself,

701
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: I'll set up a plan for the future or do

702
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: you just say no stuff and I'm just going to

703
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: do what's in front of me. Look, obviously now I

704
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: want to set up I want to be able to

705
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: set up them for life, definitely, and look, there's a

706
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: lot of opportunities. But still at the same time, I

707
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: can't look too far into the future because it kind

708
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: of shifts your minds, you know. As a fighter, that's it,

709
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: it's fighting, fighting, fighting in front of you a little bit. Yeah,

710
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: but obviously I'm thinking about that. You know, we've bought

711
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: a nice place now and we're on a bit of

712
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: acreage and it's good. You know, we're we're comfortable. But look, yeah,

713
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: like I know there's there's there's opportunities for life out

714
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: the boxing, you know, with a made of mind. We

715
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: started a barbershop up in town with little things like this,

716
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: you know. Just but at the same time, I trying

717
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: not to think about it because I'm already thinking about

718
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: in my head it's going to why I mean, I

719
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: don't want to say, but kind of to soften up

720
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know. I mean, I'm already thinking

721
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: of retiring over the hill that I can't. Yeah, it's

722
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: just such a cutthroat sport and industry that I've got

723
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: to have this animal mindset the whole time, you know,

724
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: on the top level. So look, I know it's there,

725
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: but I know it's still a long way away. My

726
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: body's in my prime. But yeah, I've just got to

727
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: be strict on the job and strict keep this same

728
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: mindset onset for a fighter, because we're going in and

729
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: you can get really hurt, like unfortunate people have died,

730
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, we're going in there too, yeah,

731
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: to fight, you know. So it's I've got to keep

732
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: that mindset, that warrior mindset. I have to so I

733
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: can't look and think about that because it just doesn't

734
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: work hand in hand, you know, Like for me, if

735
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: I to think of retirement, it's kick back, relaxed, you know,

736
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: and yeah, more relaxed mindset where it doesn't work as

737
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: a fighter as a fighter all the time.

738
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's interesting you should say that line because

739
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to work out is Liam Parow the animal

740
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: or is Liam Parow being the animal because he knows

741
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: that's what he's got.

742
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: To do, that's the job. Do you ever think to

743
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: yourself which one am I? Or are you both? Because

744
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you can't be both.

745
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Exactly, And I think I am both because when I'm

746
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: at home, I do switch off. You know, I don't

747
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: watch much boxing because it's my life, you know what

748
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean. When I'm away from it and I'm with

749
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: my family, that's it. It's switched off. You know.

750
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: You must watch footy, that watch queen.

751
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch your foot That's a good way to

752
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: switch off, you know, especially when you blaze your beat.

753
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah you're in New South Wales, but we just yeah,

754
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: we'll see, We'll just let you have the first one.

755
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: You notice, I will see.

756
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, look, going back to that, I think definitely

757
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I want to switch on and I'm very good at that.

758
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: You ask anyone around me. Then when I flick the switch,

759
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: I can flick the switch when it's business and when

760
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: it's time to relax, it's I.

761
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: Can because that's your business, isn't it.

762
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: That is it's my it's my livelihood. But in going that,

763
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: that's the motivation. That's what I'm doing, is putting food

764
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: on the family. This is how I'm going to set

765
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: my family up and be able to relax, and when

766
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: it's all said and done, be like I gave them

767
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: my best shot and they're in a good position because

768
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: I had to turn into that person, you know, that

769
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: that that animal to make it happen. You know, that's

770
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: just how it is. So when I go to work,

771
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: it's like anyone. When you go to work, you switch on,

772
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: You do your thing, You do what you've got to do,

773
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: put food on the table. And then yeah, when when

774
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: you're at home you relax.

775
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: You know, and that that's pretty good that you've actually

776
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: thought that through and you know, you reconcile all those things,

777
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: because if you don't reconcile all those things. Then it

778
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: can all all these things going to have and get confused.

779
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: And then when you've got to be on you might

780
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: be thinking about some other ship and that, and all

781
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden, those little sort of little noises get

782
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: in your head because you can't allow any noise in

783
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: your head. When you walk out there on that canvas,

784
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: you get up them stairs, you get through the rapes

785
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: on the canvas, it's just you. Alvi's not there that

786
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: he'll will be the end of the round. But all

787
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: he's really going to be doing is say, put your

788
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: legs out there and your price on your head and mate.

789
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: But like half the time, you probably but as the

790
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: rounds go on, it's hard and hard to even understand

791
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: what they're saying. For sure, they just they just you

792
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: just want to say, just breathe couldn't see me. That's tough,

793
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: is yeah, definitely is tough. It's pretty big deal like that,

794
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: ability to be able to keep your thoughts nice and contained,

795
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: then into the fight between the rounds, continue to be

796
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: able to be prepared to go back out there even

797
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: though you might be losing. You might think you're losing,

798
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: you might know you're losing. You know, you know the

799
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: game better well enough.

800
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: You can much getting told in the corner.

801
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you. You've got to go and win the

802
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: next for something rounds. So it's it's brutal. There's no

803
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: second place here, no way. What is your process of

804
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: when you're between rounds? What are you thinking to yourself?

805
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: Do you think?

806
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: Do you actually think yourself? Are you so muscle memoried?

807
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: Look, it kind of becomes second nature. I'm doing it

808
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: my whole life. So going back there, the first thing

809
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: we're doing is we're just breathing, slow, heart rate down.

810
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: That's it before even any speaker's done. And I'm very

811
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: blessed to have a good corner like that. We're very calm,

812
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: and that's a big thing. You see some corners people

813
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: uh like like stressing and worried and it just exactly

814
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: el slap and fight or whatever. You you watch.

815
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Us or say nothing or say done dumb.

816
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: Shit, exactly right, Just it's adding extra stress. You know,

817
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: things aren't already obviously you're knowing in that situation aren't

818
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: going your way the last thing and he is more stress,

819
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: you know. And that's where I've got to give the

820
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: credit to Alvia for that he can control the corner. Unbelievable.

821
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: You know, we get back to the corner before anything said.

822
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: It's always just three massive breaths, slow the heart rate down,

823
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: and then you will tell me, right, Liam, look this

824
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: is happening. But usually by then, I've never been in

825
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: a fight where I'm out of it, you know what

826
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: I mean. So I understand the right, I know what

827
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: he's saying. That round's obviously not gone our way, or

828
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: that round is unbelievable. But a big thing for us

829
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: is and it comes back to fitness, is turn the screws.

830
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: Every round, we turn the screws a bit more pressure,

831
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: keep turning them, turning and turning it because come to

832
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: the later fights, later round sorry, they slowly to tend

833
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: to they start to slow off, you know what I mean.

834
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just yeah, it's kind of yeah, like

835
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: muscle memory in a way. But at the same time

836
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: as it's all I know really too, you know, like

837
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: this this is what I've done my whole life. This

838
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: is it, Like I'm so programmed as a fighter. They

839
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: want to go in there.

840
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: Program is a good word.

841
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, OK, I am like this is day in, day out.

842
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's boxing, it's it's fighting. It's yeah,

843
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: twenty nine fights, twenty eight fights as a pronow, so

844
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: I've had a few. It's yeah, it's all I know. Really,

845
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: that's it's us.

846
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: You should say programming. That's that's really interesting. So your

847
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: brain is programmed to do this, so it probably doesn't

848
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: need a lot of other thought. Yeah, at the event,

849
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it's just let the program take over.

850
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: That's right, just do you You've done this so many times.

851
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: It's yeah, just let it do it do its course.

852
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: Like you said, it is, it's programmed. I'm trained to fight.

853
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: This is what I'm doing, so my body knows what

854
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: to do, you know what I mean. And yeah, it's

855
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: just it's just the way it is. I guess, like

856
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: it's yeah, that's a good question. But that's that's it.

857
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: Like I'm my happiest so when I'm fighting, I really am.

858
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: I just love it so much. You don't mind getting hit,

859
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's all part of it. You can't

860
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: swim without getting wet. What was going to happen when

861
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: I signed up to do this stuff? And I love it?

862
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's character building.

863
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: So it's funny, you know, but because you know the

864
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: romantic side of the fight game is, you know, you

865
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: think of rocky movies and stuff like that. And he

866
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: looks across there and he sees Adrian this is and

867
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: then he comes does the big comeback, and he wins

868
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: the fight. I mean, do you ever rely on your

869
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: wife or family, or your mum or dad or anyone

870
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: else in the crowd? You ever? Have you ever looked

871
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: across got a bit of motivation and inspiration?

872
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: No, look, I know that, I know that's in me already.

873
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: You know, if the gone gets tough and another one

874
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: is my late mate red and grieve that I promised

875
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: the world title, all else has got to do is

876
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: rg You know, that's it. You know you're doing this

877
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: for you know he's made a promise and.

878
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: Could tell us the story about that.

879
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: Well, it was my best mate you know, grew up

880
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: in mccai who grew up together playing footy, right, I

881
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: went to school together and yeah he was signed with

882
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. He was an unbelievable and rol player would

883
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: have been superstar, hand on heart, unbelievable at about seventeen

884
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: eighteen or six three one hundred kilos run like eleven

885
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: second hundred meters, just a freak athlete and unfortunately battled

886
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: mental health, you know, and he lost his battle and

887
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: then took his own life into twenty fifteen, which was devastating.

888
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: It was a pretty rough time in life. And that's

889
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: when before when I said, I've faced bigger reversity outside

890
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: the ring than what I've ever faced in there, and

891
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: that was one of them. You know. That time of

892
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: life was pretty down, you know, because dad just had

893
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: a big operation. He was in hospital. Then they passed

894
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: away from a bear ol ball I think it was

895
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: austral coliitis or something like that. It was close, so

896
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: he was he got rushed to Townsville. He come back

897
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: because yeah, it was it was. It was close, you know,

898
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: and if they didn't get it when he did, I

899
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: would have lost him. And then on Australi Day twenty fifteen,

900
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Reagan took his life, you know, he hung himself.

901
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: And that was shit.

902
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: But it was it was the worst thing ever, you

903
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It was. It was horrible because

904
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: we grew up together, you know, and he he never

905
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: knew his old boy in music with my dad dad

906
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and we didn't go to the

907
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: same We're always together doing shit, you know, always, and

908
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: we didn't go to the same day party on Australia

909
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: Day and I remember ringing him so well catch up later,

910
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: yeah rah rah, And that just never happened. He just

911
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: never did. You know. There's so many questions going into

912
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: that as far out of you know, like what if,

913
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 2: But look at it. That's that's fortunately, that's life. And yeah,

914
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: you know, I just know he's in a better place

915
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: with Gordon now. You know, I'm a big believe in

916
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, and I know you'd have him up there,

917
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 2: so I'll see him when my time's ready. But there

918
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: was the whole keep of my world was he was

919
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: going to be a superstar and rugby league. I was

920
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: a superstar and boxing and I said that was it. Yeah,

921
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: we're going to live in the big penny hours young kids,

922
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: and that was the dream. Yeah, we're just going to

923
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: be superstars and what we did, and yeah, what a

924
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: great story.

925
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: It's Aussie boys from you know, yeah, both having a

926
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: dream through sport. Yeah that they could change their life

927
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: and you have this wonderful life.

928
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: Exactly right, That's what That's what it was, you know,

929
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: And that's why I was on all my trunks. Just

930
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: you're right from the daydight. It's I've always got his

931
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: initials ig, you know, because I say we we did it.

932
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: We conquered the world. And that's I've got a tattoo

933
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: there on my on my ribs is conquered the world,

934
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: because that's what we're going to do. We're young, ambitious,

935
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: young kids with dreams and we're going to conquer it.

936
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 2: And you know, winning that world title was a way

937
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: of doing that. And look, that's motivation from me. Like

938
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: I said, that's when the going gets tough, Alpha just

939
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: g you know what I mean. And that's a big one.

940
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: And obviously my family and just like I said, goes

941
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: back to putting food on the table for them. I know,

942
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: if it's going to get hard, you know, like what

943
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: would be harder is not being able to provide.

944
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: For them, you know, so they'd be totally stuffed.

945
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: To me, especially as a man, you want to provide

946
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: for your family where we're provided. That's what we are,

947
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: hunter gatherers from back in the day, you know. So

948
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: that's what I want to do and the boxing is

949
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: that way. So that's a mindset I've got. You know

950
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: what I mean it's yeah, just like I said, programmed

951
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: to be like that. That's just how I am, you know.

952
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: And I've turned those bad situations into motivation in a way.

953
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: You know. So when the going gets tough, like and

954
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: then the sixth round of them Ma Tiars fight, you

955
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: know it's you're going to face that. But I've been

956
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: hit with things harder outside the boxing ring that have

957
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: looking away. I guess just readied me for this, you

958
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's readed me for these hard

959
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: heart adversities that I'm going to face and still to face.

960
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: It's just life. Nothing good comes easy, you know. And

961
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: we're from We grew up in the working class in

962
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: my ole boy and all guys said, you want something,

963
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: you got to work for it, and yeah, that's what

964
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm about.

965
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel about representing Australian boxing on the

966
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: twenty fourth? But how do you feel about representing Australia.

967
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm a proud Aussie. I love it, you know what

968
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: I mean. And to be able to make the dream

969
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: reality a second time on home soil, it's going to

970
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: be more special to me. You know. People say, well,

971
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: it's your first world title. Yeah, but I wanted abroad.

972
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't really celebrate until we got on

973
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: the plane to be able to do it in Australia

974
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: in front of the Australian public and on home soil.

975
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: That's what dreams are made of. And I'm getting tingles

976
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: talking about It's crazy. I'm so ready.

977
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Do you remember when Jeff Horn beat MANI pacl A's uncorp.

978
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? You remember that?

979
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: Were you there? I was there?

980
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: I was there?

981
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh really, Julu, Yeah, because I was the main spiral

982
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: partner for so you're you were near his corner.

983
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: We were way up.

984
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: We were way up in the under the bleachers.

985
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah the bleachers. We're watching the screen anyway, But just

986
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: the atmosphere for sold out crowd was crazy. And story

987
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: about that. I remember I was sitting with Angelo de Carlo,

988
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: which is my manager Ace Boxing, and he turned to

989
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: me after Horn beat Pack because we're gone good and

990
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 2: spying with Horn. He turned to me and he said,

991
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: you can fucking do this. And then that was just man.

992
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that just was not the turning point but

993
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: one of the big crucial points of I can't. I

994
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 2: really can. Like they gave me the self belief even

995
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: more than what I had to be able to know

996
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 2: that I was going to win my own world title,

997
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: get on the track. It was just because we were

998
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: going so well with Horn in the gym. And yeah,

999
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm very appreciative of that opportunity. I had three profiles

1000
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: at the time, I only just started my pro career

1001
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: and getting to call up at the main spa partner

1002
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: for freaking many pakiw my idol. I was like, oh man,

1003
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: they must think I'll go right, you.

1004
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: Know, well because you have got yours your left handed to.

1005
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: Correct, yeah, southboard to It just gave him good honest work.

1006
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: And are you a left hander or just a south boy?

1007
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: A lot of full because a lot of yeah, because

1008
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: a lot of not not all, not all south boys,

1009
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: the left handers, as you know, but like your actual

1010
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: properly left handed, so left your strengths in your left side.

1011
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, that's.

1012
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: That's the that's your bomb. That particular event like that

1013
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: gave me gives me goose ones. I remember it. But

1014
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: the way Jeff Horn, I think it was the ninth

1015
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: when the referee coming to listen. If you don't show

1016
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: me something, I'm going to call it that. At the

1017
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: end of the round, obviously we're the beginning before the

1018
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: next round. And because I think Jeff I might might

1019
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: be wrong, might have been the eighth, but doesn't matter.

1020
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: He coppied a bit of a heid and in the

1021
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: ninth round I think it was and and he had

1022
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: he dropped his hands, but he came back in the

1023
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: tenth and obviously he won it. You must have got

1024
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: like yeahs to me, that's not something I'm never going

1025
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: to forget that event. We are we expecting that sort

1026
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: of courage to come from someone like you leam Parow,

1027
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: that level of courage.

1028
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: You know, it happened kind of the same to me

1029
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: in the sixth round against Suberio Matiars And for people

1030
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: that don't know, at that time, subail Mateirs was stopping

1031
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: everyone on the stool, undefeated fighters all around the world.

1032
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: No one wanted to fight him, and we asked for

1033
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 2: the fight. Mattrium like you just feeling all right, yeah,

1034
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: we are. We We knew what we we could do,

1035
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: and I've faced diversity in my whole life. I know

1036
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: how to come on the other side of it, and

1037
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: that's what makes a true champion. You know, everything's good

1038
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: when it's all rainbow and sunshines. But it's when your

1039
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: back's against the wall how you prevail. I've proven many

1040
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: times that I can come out on top. So it's there.

1041
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: It's in me one hundred percent. It's there if I

1042
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: if I need it, you know.

1043
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: If you have to dig deep.

1044
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: Or I know the the risks of going into boxing.

1045
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: I know I'm going in there with the risk of

1046
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: maybe never coming out and seeing my family.

1047
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1048
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: That's that's the risk we take every time you step

1049
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: through the ropes. I know what it takes. Like I said,

1050
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: this is my life, this is I'm built for this stuff,

1051
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: I really am. And yeah, look if it's there, it's there.

1052
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: But look, we want a good night in the office.

1053
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: You know we're going to pick an. Can we just

1054
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: finish off for the first round.

1055
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: We don't get paid over time, so you don't get

1056
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: you don't get any more money for the best rounds.

1057
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: No, exactly right, not at all.

1058
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: It's either you know, the first minute and a half

1059
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: or the last minute of the last round doesn't make

1060
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: much difference. You get paid the same amount of money.

1061
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember George Keimbosa is sitting here

1062
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: once and he said to me, he's prepared to die

1063
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: and the ring for his family. Yep, he said, Look,

1064
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: I'm prepared to die.

1065
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big call. Look, it is a big call.

1066
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: But like I said, we know the risks we're going

1067
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: in for, you know what I mean. And that's that's it.

1068
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: Where we're soldiers, we're warriors, and that's what we do.

1069
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: We're going in there and the main, the main motivation

1070
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: is to fight for a better life for us and

1071
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: our loved one.

1072
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: So that's a good way of putting it.

1073
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: Actually it is. That's what we're in there for, you

1074
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's yeah, it's taken so much

1075
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: of so much sacrifices to get here, and yeah, it's

1076
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: just that's what we're doing. We doing it to give

1077
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: our family better lives.

1078
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: About the no limit guys, because I'm going to talking

1079
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: to you when you're signed up a couple of years

1080
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: ago now it would be three, three, four years ago.

1081
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: Last year?

1082
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: Last year?

1083
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: Was that last I have been the end of Yeah,

1084
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, when I'm sitting at the

1085
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: wolves there, yeah.

1086
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: I thought it was a couple years ago. My god, Yeah,

1087
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: it was only last year. And then just talk about

1088
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: the Rose brothers.

1089
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: They're unbelievable. I can't talk good enough about them, you know,

1090
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: especially getting this world title shot as a challenger to

1091
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: win the post bids.

1092
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: How important is it for you in relationship? They have

1093
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: to do the negotiation. How's it worked?

1094
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they have the negotiation. So they want to

1095
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: buy something I think twenty five fifty grand or something

1096
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: just so small, but against a massive promoter in edite

1097
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: Home which had the champion, you know what I mean.

1098
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: So man, for them to believe in me that much

1099
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: is just oh yeah, honestly, I'm forever thankful. And oh

1100
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: I show that thanks by giving them a belt to

1101
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: hang in their no Limit office.

1102
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: As if we're feel to put Eddie on the back foot,

1103
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh look.

1104
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: It'd be unbelievable. But at the same time, there's no animosity.

1105
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: It's business, no, of course, but like exactly, it is

1106
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: a fucking moment, but a little bit ye yeah, well

1107
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: you do it to you one.

1108
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, would any any day of the week, and

1109
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: it's business and that's that's just the way it is.

1110
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna feel a bit sweeter, Yeah, you know, I

1111
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: jumped on the other side of the grass is greener

1112
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: and I'll prove that by taking your forwards a belt.

1113
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: Well, because it's funny because I remember years ago when

1114
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: I interviewed Eddie on the show, actually years ago, he

1115
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: was talking me coming to Australia and and taking on

1116
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: the actually setting up here and taking on No Limit

1117
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: everybody else and all the other promoters here, and of

1118
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: course he didn't end up doing it. So like, from

1119
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: me a naussy point of view, I want you to

1120
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: toe them up because because because it's you know, because

1121
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm here supporting the No Limit guys. I mean I'm

1122
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: here supporting the Aussies exactly, the whole group of not

1123
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: just not just leaving power, but everything to do with

1124
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: your camp everything, Yeah, everybody.

1125
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the Australian way. That's that's how it should be.

1126
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: You know, we're proud Ausies and yeah, exactly, we win

1127
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: the belt from them and then people can travel over

1128
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: this side of the pond to challenge for it because

1129
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: we always bring him back here exactly. You know, we're

1130
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: always traveling, we're always on the road. You know, we've

1131
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: got so die hard fans here that always have to

1132
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: in Australia is very isolated you know, it's a long

1133
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: way traveling anywhere. So to bring that pull and power

1134
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: with that bell, bring the big time boxing totally, man's

1135
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: that's exciting and we deserve it, you know, and I'm

1136
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: going to do everything to make that happen.

1137
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: What do you recognize is we punch away beyond our

1138
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: weight division given in a small country. I mean we're

1139
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: fighting blokes in America and everywhere else around the world.

1140
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: Who there's hundreds of millions of people to choose from.

1141
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: We've got We actually ticked over twenty eight million people

1142
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: in Australia last week, funnily enough. But we tend to

1143
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: do well in every sport. We we smash them, but

1144
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: boxing we do particularly well. Yeah, what do you reckon it?

1145
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: Is it a junior junior system or because that's pretty

1146
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: average actually amateur system is you know, it's okay, it's

1147
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: nothing particularly clever about it. What is it about us?

1148
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's just Assie's in general.

1149
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: You know, we're just a bit of hard nuts. Everyone

1150
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: knows everyone around the world is crazy Aussies and I

1151
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: think it just suits him well. With boxing.

1152
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you think we are?

1153
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: We're toughs bloody one hundred. Definitely, we're definitely tough. That's

1154
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: just ossies are. No one is tough, tough people, and yeah,

1155
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: we just got that. I think just coming we're a

1156
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: lot of from the working class conder, you know, blue

1157
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: collar kind of that's it. Like we've just bought up,

1158
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: growing up with work ethic and we know that if

1159
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: you want something, you've got to work for it. I

1160
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: think that's a lot of Australia in general. We've got

1161
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: that mind. So that's how we're brought up. You know,

1162
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: we're just we're from the working class, so we're gonna, yeah,

1163
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: we're going to work harder than others, you know. And

1164
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: it's showing, you know, for the amount of numbers we've

1165
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: got in boxing, amount of champions have had compared to

1166
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: like you said, America or the UK, it's phenomenal, you know,

1167
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: it's a percentage rate ridiculous. So how many champions have

1168
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: had fighters compared to other places of the world.

1169
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: We look at the UFC like even that, like Rob

1170
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: Whitticker and you know us Alex and of course you

1171
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: know there's a there's a whole leap of them. You know.

1172
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever get to talk to YOUFC guys ever

1173
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: have ever said to you.

1174
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: A limb would you let it come over you? No way,

1175
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to get they don't want to depend

1176
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: on the ground.

1177
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: I would probably end up byting or something. I'll stick

1178
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: to boxing.

1179
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the stand up part of the UFC is

1180
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: pretty good now because there's a lot more stand up.

1181
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, a boxer like you, you would probably give

1182
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: them a fairly hard time.

1183
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I just need to work on me wrestling.

1184
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: But look, if if anything happened down the track there's

1185
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: a big crossover fight, you know, I'd be open to it,

1186
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: really yeah, one hundred percent. You know I love fighting

1187
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: and humble me really fast. You never forget taken in

1188
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 2: the ground.

1189
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: But look, you just stay away from them.

1190
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's the plan.

1191
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you said, don I guess what

1192
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: about if Netflix come along?

1193
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: Oh? Look, if they dangled enough carrots or yeah.

1194
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Because many pack I was looking at fighting, who's many

1195
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: are going to look like the un fight again? Mayweather? Again?

1196
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: I think it's for Netflix. I think I think that's

1197
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: a good deal. You know, whether it's an exhibition or

1198
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: an actual sanction fight, we'll see. But because I just

1199
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: want to ask you what do you think about that process?

1200
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: It's because a lot of there's a lot of boxing

1201
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: events now starting to unfold on Netflix.

1202
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: Making it it's a big entertainment massive platform's.

1203
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: Huge, like and it's free too, like people don't even

1204
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: have to subscribe for it when they subscribe to Netflix,

1205
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: but they don't have to pay extra for it. What

1206
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: do you think about that where boxing could be going?

1207
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you're a purist, You're an actual stand

1208
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: up fighter fighting on all the sanctioned groups in the

1209
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: old school way. But the fight game is starting to

1210
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: morph change a little bit for sure, into bigger entertainment venues.

1211
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

1212
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: As a fighter?

1213
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: Look at all honesty, I will probably have never got

1214
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: sign with Mattroom. I thought my first fight on the

1215
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: Jake Paul Undergart, Tom Woodley and they opened a lot

1216
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: of doors for me. And I've always said, you know,

1217
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: if it's going to bring new eyes to the sport

1218
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: and help build it, I'm all for it. You can't

1219
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: deny that. You know, it's building the sport for us,

1220
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: which is everything. Bigger payday is, bigger potential sponsors, more eyes, everything,

1221
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: So I'm for it, you know, what I mean. And

1222
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: look like you said, I am straightforward. The belts I

1223
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: locked that way. You don't want to be a unified chain.

1224
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: That's obviously the dreams, that's like that. Of course, yeah, definitely.

1225
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: But then look you go, you've won the belts, You've

1226
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: done all this. Then you think, maybe, look if I'm

1227
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: getting just say fifty mil versus a five meal something

1228
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: like that, you've won the belts, You've got nothing else left,

1229
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: no brain It kind of is, you know, because we're

1230
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: prize fighters at the end of the day. Ye people

1231
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: that say they're not in it for the money, they

1232
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: are talking a bit of shit because unfortunately, you can't

1233
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: eat with belts.

1234
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: I've got the world title belt at home, and you

1235
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: know it sits in the cupboard. You know, they might

1236
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: be able to make a soup out of it, the

1237
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: exactly crunch.

1238
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: You knock me teeth out with it all. But you

1239
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you've got to and it goes

1240
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: back to feeding your family and setting your family up.

1241
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 2: And if you've done it, you've won it the titles,

1242
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: and you've made your legacy there, then why not chase

1243
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: the money. Why not? It's a big retirement fund and

1244
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: things like that, the platforms like Netflix or crossover fights.

1245
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: Then you'd be silly not to you know what I mean.

1246
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: People are gonna people are gonna talk, no matter what

1247
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: good or bad. Let them talk. And it's usually people

1248
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: doing worse than you are. They're going to talk about you.

1249
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: The people doing better they would understand. I'm sure they

1250
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: would probably.

1251
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: Well, they're probably jealous made at the end of the day,

1252
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's an old mate fuck that were grudges,

1253
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, like if they're going to be big grudge

1254
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: in you trying to earn a better living, who gives

1255
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: the stuff? I mean, I don't mind with Jake, Paul

1256
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: and his brother do. It's no big deal for me.

1257
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, they just make it more popular. And by

1258
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: the way, all of us so called pious, we all

1259
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: end up watching it. We all watch man and we

1260
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: can carry on about it like them. You want to

1261
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: watch them and it comes back on. We watch it

1262
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: because it's entertainment. At the end of the day, I'm

1263
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: watching you, exactly, and I'm going to watch them because

1264
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking for entertainment exactly. And I love that sort

1265
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: of blood sport. I like it. You know, of course,

1266
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people hate it, but I like it okay,

1267
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: and so nobody. And you're the one doing it. I

1268
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: can't actually think anything bad of you because you're the one.

1269
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: You're still going to get hit.

1270
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, You're still getting whacked.

1271
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: You still have to do all the training to get

1272
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: up there, You still make all the sacrifices get to

1273
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: that point. You just don't sit on your on your

1274
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: arse and do nothing and you turn up because you're

1275
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: going to put all the effort into it. And for me,

1276
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: and I think there's pretty much you know, a lot

1277
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: of people winging your plan about it for me, entertainment, entertainment,

1278
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't give it what down one venue. And if

1279
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Speaker 1: you end up with that fifty that you just said,

1280
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Speaker 1: that will get you the pent house. You talked about,

1281
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: your dreamed about when.

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Speaker 2: Your generational wealth kind of thing, you know, change of

1283
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: life gone through exactly the same motions, copping the punches,

1284
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: all the sacrifices for a better reward. Yeah, man, like

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00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: that's anyone would do it exactly right. And anyone that

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Speaker 2: says otherwise talking out.

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Speaker 1: Their ears, Yeah, you're totally feeling shit exactly. So what

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Speaker 1: I know you don't want to get ahead of you,

1289
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: So I know you got I know you got twenty

1290
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Speaker 1: fourth in your mind. What's going to happen on that night?

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00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: Happens like that night. But watching the big dream, mate,

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00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: what's after that unification?

1293
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: Of course?

1294
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: Chase the belts?

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00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: You know the names I said before, Ryan Garcia, Devin

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: Han's many pack. Yeo, he doesn't have a belt, but

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Speaker 2: still a legacy name.

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Speaker 1: That'd be a big that'd be huge, unbelievable, that's that's yeah,

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00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: that's crazy money, you know, and that would be something

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00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: for you like idol.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, no disrespect to money. But if you reckons,

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00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: he wouldn't even care if you're seventy years old. If

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Speaker 2: he wants to fight, we will fight him, like exactly.

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00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: He's my favorite fight of all time. Yeah, so to

1305
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: share the ring with him will be unbelievable. And look, yes,

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Speaker 2: over the hill, it would be an honor. But look

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Speaker 2: it's he's made' he's cross. It's my time. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I've got I've got mouths to feed, so it's unfortunately

1309
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: it's the game. We'll shake his hand, I'll share him

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Speaker 2: with me a laughter. But when that bell rings me

1311
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: and I'm doing everything to put you on my rigemes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just another another notch on the gun, another notch

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Speaker 2: on the belt that's well made up. It's just been

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Speaker 2: a great pleasure of mine and I really appreciate your

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Speaker 2: honesty for today and and.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to wish you good luck. You just

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Speaker 1: go and do what you do best, mate, No, thank

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Speaker 1: you appreciate good luck's or bullshit. You just go ahead

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Speaker 1: and do what you do best and what you've been

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00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: training for your whole life and what you're ready to do.

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Speaker 1: And I think your motivation mate, you've already said it

1322
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: is to put food on the table and look after

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Speaker 1: your family and don't forget. But that's your mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well done mate, Thank you very much much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Jeers