WEBVTT - Episode 9: Mind Games

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Hedley Thomas. Sick to Death is based

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<v Speaker 1>on my book of the same name, and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>true story of doctor Jayant Patel's lies and manipulation and

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<v Speaker 1>the herculean effort it took to finally stop him. We've

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<v Speaker 1>used voice actors throughout this series, and on occasion the

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<v Speaker 1>real people from the story have read their words for us.

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<v Speaker 1>It is brought to you by me and the Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter thirty nine Strange Meetings. Three point fifty pm, seven

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<v Speaker 1>April two thousand and five. Tony Hoffman giggled nervously in

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<v Speaker 1>the foyer of the old orange brick Queensland Newspapers building

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<v Speaker 1>near the top of Campbell Street, Bowen Hills. She had

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<v Speaker 1>come from a conference in, of all places, the Clinical

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<v Speaker 1>Practice Improvement Center at the nearby Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see the massive complex from my desk. The

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<v Speaker 1>fortunate timing of the conference in Brisbane meant that she

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<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity to meet me while many of her

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues in Bunderberg were feeling severely bruised by Gordon Nuttle

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<v Speaker 1>and doctor Steve Buckland.

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<v Speaker 2>Karen is here to give me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, Hoffman explained, introducing her friend and colleague Karen Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't trust journalists and she thinks I'm mad for

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<v Speaker 2>meeting you.

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<v Speaker 1>The blunt honesty moments after meeting at the front counter

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<v Speaker 1>was a good start. As a precaution, Hoffman elected to

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<v Speaker 1>sign the visitor's book as Jane English. Her friend signed

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<v Speaker 1>in as Sue James. They liked their assumed names. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a relief to leave my desk. My previous meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with an elderly man who had been battling his low

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<v Speaker 1>local council for a decade over the use of an

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<v Speaker 1>asbestos linked product in road base near his home was

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<v Speaker 1>heavy going. His story had potential, but I doubted it

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<v Speaker 1>would get a run unless there were people who could say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm dying of mesothelioma now because my incompetent counsel put

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<v Speaker 1>this lethal stuff near my home despite the obvious risks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because stories warning of safety risks paled beside stories

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<v Speaker 1>in which the result of unsafe practice was at once obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked Hoffman around to the staff cafe, pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>departments on the way. She seemed keen to talk about anything,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps just to lower her anxiety levels. Her friend eyed

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<v Speaker 1>me suspiciously and refused to utter a word. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about the complaints involving the surgeon, I asked.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffman began talking in a rushing torrent of names, dates,

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<v Speaker 1>and medical terms. It was a struggle to keep up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she went faster. Her nervousness was driving her

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<v Speaker 1>to try to spit out the entire two year debarcle

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<v Speaker 1>in a few frantic minutes. As Sky news blared on

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<v Speaker 1>the overhead TV and her friend stared daggers at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Something had to give. I started to wonder about her

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<v Speaker 1>state of mind. Clearly she was deeply agitated clumsily. I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to calm her down, but it sounded more like

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<v Speaker 1>a rebuke. Tony, can we do this slowly, one fact

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<v Speaker 1>at a time, please, I'm starting from a long way behind.

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<v Speaker 1>She paused and began again.

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<v Speaker 2>There were so many botch ups with the patients, and

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<v Speaker 2>it continued on and on until this one big incident,

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<v Speaker 2>the straw that broke the camel's back, and it took

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<v Speaker 2>five months after that complaint. The nurses from the renal

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<v Speaker 2>unit complained, the infectious control nurses complained. In between all

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<v Speaker 2>this we would be having the patients with complications coming

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<v Speaker 2>into the intensive care and pretty much on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 2>we would have a patient in ICU with some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>up because of what he had done. Since his saw

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<v Speaker 2>came out in Parliament, the doctors have stood up and

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<v Speaker 2>defended him, and they were the ones who two days

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<v Speaker 2>before had been trying to get us to defend and

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<v Speaker 2>protect their patients. All we were trying to do was

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<v Speaker 2>to stop him from operating on patients and harming them.

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<v Speaker 2>He would tell us he was a cardiac, thoracic and

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<v Speaker 2>trauma specialist. When we looked him up on the web,

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<v Speaker 2>he just had an MBBS from a university in Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought that he could do everything. Even an acting

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<v Speaker 2>Director of Medicine, doctor k Snidem, sent a letter saying

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<v Speaker 2>he had full faith in him and would allow him

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<v Speaker 2>to operate on his children. Peter Leck has got up

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<v Speaker 2>and said he was appalled that it had been leaked

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<v Speaker 2>and that it was not due process. But where was

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<v Speaker 2>the due process for the patients? The district manager stood

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<v Speaker 2>up for the hospital n items stood up for the doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>but the nurses were gagged. Nobody stood up for the nurses.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Fitzgerald when he interviewed me. Did not even have

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<v Speaker 2>a copy of the complaint. He had not read it.

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<v Speaker 2>His report is with the director general. Now, a physician

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<v Speaker 2>was hiding a patient in the intensive care so Patel

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<v Speaker 2>could not get to him. And this was just recently.

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<v Speaker 2>We literally were throwing ourselves across the patients to stop

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<v Speaker 2>him from getting to them. After all that, we were

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<v Speaker 2>seeing this guy got employee of the month. We were

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<v Speaker 2>seeing this guy being rewarded while we lied to families

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<v Speaker 2>and protected patients and felt sick about what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been crying for months. Patel had one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>complication rate with catheters. Every one of his patients got infections.

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<v Speaker 2>He used to lie in the patient's notes. One was

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<v Speaker 2>on one hundred percent oxygen and being kept alive with medication,

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<v Speaker 2>and Patel wrote that he was stable in his notes.

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<v Speaker 2>The nephrologists refused to let him operate on his patients.

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<v Speaker 2>The hospital knew that this was going on because they

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<v Speaker 2>had set up an alternative way for their fistialers and

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<v Speaker 2>vasque catheters to be put in.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffman's account was shocking. We spoke about Patel's claim of

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<v Speaker 1>earning the hospital an extra five hundred thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 2>To meet the budget and surgical targets. Hospitals have to

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<v Speaker 2>do a certain amount of surgery. Hospitals make money from

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<v Speaker 2>surgical procedures. Because he was turning through the surgery. He

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<v Speaker 2>was making them money.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is he now, I asked.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been told that Patel has left for good. Martin Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>the director of intensive care and anethesua. He called him

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<v Speaker 2>all the names under the son. He called him doctor death.

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<v Speaker 2>But when the chips were down, they supported him. The

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<v Speaker 2>doctors called for the whistleblower to be identified and made

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<v Speaker 2>an example of I was told that they perceived the

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<v Speaker 2>nurses have all the power and that they could be next.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the patients really liked him because he talked

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. He was incompetent, and he had a God complex.

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<v Speaker 2>He was not malicious. He just did not realize how

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<v Speaker 2>incompetent he was. The system has failed us. It does

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<v Speaker 2>not allow us to be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>At that moment, Hoffman's mobile phone began to ring. She

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<v Speaker 1>apologized and reached into her handbag. As she listened, her

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<v Speaker 1>face lost color and she bawled her free hand into

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<v Speaker 1>a fist. The caller was Gail Aylmer at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it, they said, what no.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffman ended the phone conversation. The composure she had worked

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<v Speaker 1>hard to maintain in our interview was gone. She dabbed

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<v Speaker 1>her eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>The Director General and Gordon Nushall were just there, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said that seeing as it was sleeked, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to release the report. They had nothing to say

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<v Speaker 2>to vindicate the nurses.

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<v Speaker 1>The chance call to Hoffman's mobile clinched it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The visit by Nuttle and Buckland to the hospital was

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<v Speaker 1>unusual and, to the best of my knowledge, had not

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<v Speaker 1>been foreshadowed in media releases. If the essence of the

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<v Speaker 1>stern talk by Nuttle and Buckland had been conveyed accurately

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<v Speaker 1>to Hoffman, it was I suspected a crude attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>contain the Pateel problem while waving a big stick at

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<v Speaker 1>any staff who might have been involved in the allegations

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<v Speaker 1>being aired. It felt like the start of a cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>I told Hoffman the issue of Betel's competence might take

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<v Speaker 1>ages to investigate, but the meeting today gives me an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to put the story back on the agenda. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>call Gordon Nattle's office and find out why they are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to shut this down. We walked back to the

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<v Speaker 1>foyer and resolved to stay in touch. Hoffman and Fox

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<v Speaker 1>were booked on the last Quantus flight back to Bunderberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Bergen, one of the manager's for Queensland Health, remained

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<v Speaker 1>angry about the leaking. He emailed Peter Leck shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>five PM, as Steve Buckland stewed over the Patel negligence revelations.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter, is there a process going on involving internal order

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<v Speaker 3>to investigate.

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<v Speaker 1>This, Leck, still in the dark on Patel's United States

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<v Speaker 1>secret was uncertain how to manage the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>I must admit that I'm not entirely sure where to

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<v Speaker 4>go from here. In the meeting with the staff today,

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<v Speaker 4>the DG advised that we would not have a witch

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<v Speaker 4>hunt and that we needed to move on from this incident.

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<v Speaker 4>Bottom line is that, regardless of whether an investigation is

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<v Speaker 4>held or not, I don't believe the culprit who leaked

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<v Speaker 4>this information will be found. While on one hand, I

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<v Speaker 4>would like to send a strong message to the person

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<v Speaker 4>or persons concerned that they are on very dangerous ground

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<v Speaker 4>I am concerned that such an investigation could prove very destructive,

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<v Speaker 4>resulting in nurses and doctors going after one another. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 4>we have the audit team come up and deliver some

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<v Speaker 4>training sessions around the code of conduct and deliver some

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<v Speaker 4>firm and scary messages. I would welcome your advice, especially

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<v Speaker 4>if the Director General's office is expecting action in a

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<v Speaker 4>particular way.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Chapter forty Fluke, six pm, seven April two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five. News coming out of left field late in

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<v Speaker 1>the day is always more difficult to place in any newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>as the story has not been the subject of a

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<v Speaker 1>briefing in editorial conferences. It has to knock something else

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<v Speaker 1>out to get in. Unless it is momentous and urgent,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps an aircraft crash or a political upheaval, its prospects

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<v Speaker 1>of a good rama poor. Such stories are often held

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<v Speaker 1>for the next day, and that can kill them slowly.

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<v Speaker 1>Stories held over can appear stale despite not having been run.

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<v Speaker 1>Something else invariably comes along to compete for the print

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<v Speaker 1>space in the newspaper, sometimes on a slow news day

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<v Speaker 1>or when the best laid plans go awry because the

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<v Speaker 1>promised stories have failed to materialize. The late and unexpected

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<v Speaker 1>ones are hailed as saviors, but most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>they are a nuisance. The Knight editor has to change

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<v Speaker 1>course and rebuild pages in the face of an unforgiving deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>I was keen to publish the story about Gordon Nuttle

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<v Speaker 1>and Steve Bucklan going to Bunderberg and telling staff nothing

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<v Speaker 1>would be done about Jayon Patel. It was breaking news.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been presented to me on a platter. A

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes after showing Tony Hoffman and Karen Fox out

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<v Speaker 1>of the building, I saw Graham Lloyd, the news editor.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect After I explained the story, Lloyd suggested postponing.

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<v Speaker 5>It, mate, it's pretty tight, the paper's full. Do it

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<v Speaker 5>as part of your bigger young for Saturday, and it'll

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<v Speaker 5>get a much better run.

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<v Speaker 1>After working closely with Lloydy for six years, I had

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<v Speaker 1>enormous respect for his judgment and advice. We had jointly

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<v Speaker 1>delivered some powerful scoops from the newspaper's features section when

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<v Speaker 1>he was in charge of it. Although disappointed that Nuttle

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<v Speaker 1>and Buckland would be off the hook for the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I figured it might make my scheduled lunch with the

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<v Speaker 1>Minister the next day, less uncomfortable. One of Gordon Nuttle's

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<v Speaker 1>closest friends, Brendan mckennery, had called me earlier in the

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<v Speaker 1>week to confirm the low key meeting at the Hellenic

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<v Speaker 1>Club in South Brisbane. When he first set it up, mckennery,

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<v Speaker 1>whom I knew through a mutual contact, explained that Nuttle

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to develop a working relationship with a few senior journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>Nuttle had big plans for Queensland Health. The private lunch

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<v Speaker 1>at the Hellenic Club would give him an opportunity away

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<v Speaker 1>from his minders and advisors, to set out its future.

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<v Speaker 1>I went back to my desk for my car keys

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<v Speaker 1>as David Fagan, the editor, wandered over. He was unhappy.

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<v Speaker 6>What a shocking day. We haven't got one story worthy

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<v Speaker 6>of putting on the front page. You haven't got anything

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<v Speaker 6>in your back pocket, have you.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked me. In the past six years at the

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<v Speaker 1>Courier Mail, neither Fagan nor his predecessor Chris Mitchell had

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<v Speaker 1>come to me to ask for a story late in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. They were too busy for a start. They

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<v Speaker 1>relied on their staff to talk about the big fish

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<v Speaker 1>in a news editorial conference after the reporters had reeled

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<v Speaker 1>them in. For David Fagan to come into our section

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes known as Writer's Block or Poet's Corner, he must

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<v Speaker 1>have been desperate. He was looking for a splash, the

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<v Speaker 1>major story for the front page. I've got a great yarn,

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<v Speaker 1>I told him, relating the suspected cover up in Bunderberg

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<v Speaker 1>and the meeting I had just had in the cafe.

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<v Speaker 1>All I need is confirmation from Gordon Nuttle's office. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got heaps of background. The doctor has left Queensland. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to write it as the splash? Fagan

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<v Speaker 1>was noncommittal.

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<v Speaker 6>Possibly write it as soon as you can and we'll

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<v Speaker 6>take a close look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I called David Potter's mobile phone, but it was turned off.

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<v Speaker 1>He was still in the air, en route from Bunderberg

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<v Speaker 1>to Brisbane. He would hear my message on landing. The

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<v Speaker 1>next call was to Cameron Milner, the son of the

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<v Speaker 1>former Queensland Labor Minister Glenn Milner. Cameron Milner was working

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<v Speaker 1>as Potter's pr sidekick in Gordon Nuttle's office. He's on

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<v Speaker 1>the plane, Milner said of Nuttle.

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<v Speaker 7>He went to open the Spring Shore Community Center and

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<v Speaker 7>on the way back he dropped into the Bunderberg hospital,

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<v Speaker 7>he spoke with staff before doing a tour.

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<v Speaker 1>The conversation became fascical when I asked about Jerry Fitzgerald's

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<v Speaker 1>clinical audit and report into Pateel's surgery at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not a report into doctor Pateel, he said, It's

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<v Speaker 7>a clinical ordit to look at the range of services

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<v Speaker 7>and surgery done at the hospital to determine whether appropriate

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<v Speaker 7>surgery is being done there. The complaints about Patel were

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<v Speaker 7>about particular types of surgery he was carrying out.

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<v Speaker 1>Having heard at length from Hoffman about the surgeon's incompetence,

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<v Speaker 1>the deaths attributed to him, the work of Fitzgerald, and

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<v Speaker 1>the surprise visit that afternoon by Nuttle and Buckland, I

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<v Speaker 1>responded aggressively to the spin from Milner. It was nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest that Patel's competence was not under scrutiny. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did these people always twist the truth? For a few

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<v Speaker 1>minutes we went back and forth arguing about the clinical review.

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<v Speaker 1>Milner stuck stubbornly to the script. When I questioned him

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<v Speaker 1>about what had triggered the review, given that it was

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<v Speaker 1>not a routine matter, he dropped his guard.

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<v Speaker 7>It was prompted by the complaints arising from surgery being

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<v Speaker 7>conducted by doctor Ptel.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally we were getting somewhere. I asked Milner to tell

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<v Speaker 1>Nuttle and Potter to contact me urgently. My next care

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<v Speaker 1>was to the mobile telephone of doctor John Scott, the

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<v Speaker 1>Deputy Director General of Queensland Health, as I did not

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<v Speaker 1>have a contact number for Jerry Fitzgerald and it would

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<v Speaker 1>be at least thirty minutes before I heard from either

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<v Speaker 1>Potter or Nuttle. Perhaps John Scott could shed some light

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<v Speaker 1>on what was unfolding. I wanted to see or hear

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<v Speaker 1>about the report, which and had told me Fitzgerald had

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<v Speaker 1>already completed. How did the report's completion square with what

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<v Speaker 1>Buckland and Nuttle had apparently told the meeting in Bunderberg

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that the denial of natural justice and Petel's departure

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<v Speaker 1>meant it would not be finalized. Doctor Scott knew little

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<v Speaker 1>about the report by Fitzgerald. He said, here, we are.

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<v Speaker 8>Looking at an individual and there's a range of things,

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<v Speaker 8>including natural justice, that you have to consider when thinking

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<v Speaker 8>about release. This is the Chief Health Officer doing a

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<v Speaker 8>review of a particular person's conduct.

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<v Speaker 1>Exasperated at being told nothing, I began hitting the keyboard

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<v Speaker 1>to write the story Fagan wanted. I could write the

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<v Speaker 1>bones of it and add flesh. Upon hearing from Nuttle's side,

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<v Speaker 1>I called a medical source and explained the issues. He

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<v Speaker 1>became angry at his employer's cover up culture. Potter earned

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<v Speaker 1>my call at six thirty PM. I told him I

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<v Speaker 1>was preparing a story about the meeting a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>earlier at the hospital, and I asked him to have

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<v Speaker 1>Nuttle call me. Potter rang back and said Nuttle would

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<v Speaker 1>not be available. I didn't know if Potter had been

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<v Speaker 1>told about the lunch planned with Nuttle for the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there had been a deliberate decision by his boss

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<v Speaker 1>not to brief him, but I decided against using the

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<v Speaker 1>engagement as leverage. It incensed me that the minister would

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<v Speaker 1>not speak for himself about the meeting in Bunderberg. Why

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't he have the ticker to talk about the meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Potter. The likable and efficient media advisor, a

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<v Speaker 1>former courier male colleague with whom I had worked on

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<v Speaker 1>a number of stories, ignored the barbs for the record.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me Nuttle had not seen the report. The

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<v Speaker 1>department had not seen the report, and the Minister.

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<v Speaker 9>Does not now expect to get.

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<v Speaker 1>A report, Potter told me, because it.

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<v Speaker 9>Can't be completed without going back to Dr Patel. Obviously

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<v Speaker 9>we can't go back to him because he's packed up

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<v Speaker 9>and gone. Due process was not followed. We have said

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<v Speaker 9>we are very disappointed about that.

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<v Speaker 1>After goading Potter again about Nuttle's timidity, he agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>double check. He called back to advise me that Nuttle

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<v Speaker 1>would definitely not be calling me. When I wrote the story,

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<v Speaker 1>I led it with the news of the visit, how

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<v Speaker 1>Nuttle and Buckland had admonished staff and told them there

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<v Speaker 1>would be no report. Kim Sweetman, the chief of staff,

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the filed copy shortly after seven pm, and

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<v Speaker 1>she asked me about a single line in the story.

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<v Speaker 1>It stated that the nurses were asked to hide patients

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<v Speaker 1>from Patel, so.

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<v Speaker 3>The nurses were literally trying to hide patients from him.

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<v Speaker 1>In the wards, Sweetmen asked she seized on the angle

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<v Speaker 1>and elevated it to the top of the draft. The

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<v Speaker 1>mental imagery was too powerful. David Fagan liked the story,

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<v Speaker 1>but in his walk about in the newsroom, he had

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<v Speaker 1>found another relating to the beat government's failure to address

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers of asbestos in hundreds of public schools. My

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<v Speaker 1>report led page three beneath the headline nurses hid patients

0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in wards from Doctor Death, but it contained an embarrassing

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<v Speaker 1>error in the first paragraph. I had failed to properly

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<v Speaker 1>check on Patel's background. He was from India, not Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what my story stated.

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<v Speaker 10>Nurses at Bunderberg Base Hospital were asked to hide patients

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<v Speaker 10>so they would not be treated by a Pakistan trained doctor,

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<v Speaker 10>dubbed doctor Death by colleagues. The doctor, who has fled

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<v Speaker 10>the country since the beginning of an investigation into his

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<v Speaker 10>work at the public hospital, has been been accused of

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<v Speaker 10>gross incompetence linked to the deaths of at least fourteen patients,

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<v Speaker 10>but Health Minister Gordon Nuttle will keep secret a report

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<v Speaker 10>detailing evidence about the deaths and a trail of serious

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<v Speaker 10>injuries suffered by patients at Bunderberg Base Hospital. The report

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<v Speaker 10>by Chief Health Officer Jerry Fitzgerald includes evidence gained from

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<v Speaker 10>interviews with doctors and nurses at the hospital. Queensland Health

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<v Speaker 10>sources described the doctor hired more than two years ago

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<v Speaker 10>under the controversial overseas trained doctor's scheme as dangerous and incompetent.

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<v Speaker 10>They say his actions have been extremely harmful and in

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<v Speaker 10>some cases lethal to more than fourteen patients, and were

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<v Speaker 10>an indictment of the health system for its failure to

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<v Speaker 10>respond to complaints two years ago. Patients who have been

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<v Speaker 10>harmed and the relatives of those who have died are

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<v Speaker 10>demanding an explanation from Queensland Health about the doctor's proficiency

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<v Speaker 10>and condor. The Courier Mail has been told of how

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<v Speaker 10>at least one specialist at the hospital was so concerned

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<v Speaker 10>he pleaded with nurses to hide his patients in various

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<v Speaker 10>wards to prevent them from being seen by the doctor.

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<v Speaker 10>But mister Nuttle and Director General, Doctor Steve Buckland yesterday

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<v Speaker 10>went to Bunderberg Base Hospital to tell a confidential staff

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<v Speaker 10>meeting that the evidence gathered by Queensland Health in relation

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<v Speaker 10>to the doctor's conduct would not be made available. They

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<v Speaker 10>admonished staff for leaking some of the evidence, which embarrassed

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<v Speaker 10>mister Nuttle because it was revealed in State parliament last

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<v Speaker 10>month before he was aware that an investigation by his

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<v Speaker 10>own chief Health officer was under way. The doctor whose

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<v Speaker 10>Queensland Medical Board registration lapsed last week, quit his job

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<v Speaker 10>and left Australia at Easter, days after the concerns were

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<v Speaker 10>made public.

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<v Speaker 1>Accompanied by a file photograph of Gordon Nuttle. The story

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<v Speaker 1>continued with a quote from my medical source about how

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<v Speaker 1>it was an outrageous comp that the doctor's departure had

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<v Speaker 1>been used by Queensland Health to end its investigation and

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>pull down the shutters. It included the accusations made in

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<v Speaker 1>State Parliament at a reference to the Queensland Health report

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<v Speaker 1>that I had been leaked in late two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>warning that a growing number of overseas trained doctors rushed

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<v Speaker 1>into the public hospitals, lacked medical competence and capability and

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<v Speaker 1>put patients at risk. The adrenaline was still flowing when

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<v Speaker 1>I left the office. On the way home, I dropped

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<v Speaker 1>into a bar for a beer with my colleague Des Houghton,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been writing about the Betty Government's secret state culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Deirs was fascinated by the Bunderberg Hospital story. He reckoned

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<v Speaker 1>there had to be much more to it. Steve Buckland

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<v Speaker 1>left the taxpayer owned aircraft and headed home, as Darren

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<v Speaker 1>Keating had done the night before. In Bunderberg. Buckland went

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<v Speaker 1>to his home computer to search for details about Jayant

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<v Speaker 1>Pateel's United States registration. It took him some time after

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 1>he located the relevant sites in Oregon and New York State,

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<v Speaker 1>and then navigated the options until the truth about Patel's

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<v Speaker 1>incompetence appeared. He made printouts. Buckland called Jerry Fitzgerald at

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<v Speaker 1>home and told him of the stunning findings. They agreed

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<v Speaker 1>that Fitzgerald should tell the Medical Board. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of urgency. Buckland knew he had to deliver the political

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 1>dynamite to Gordon Nuttle too. He decided to wait a day.

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<v Speaker 1>More time would help him develop a strategy which might,

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<v Speaker 1>if they were fortunate, limit the damage. If Patel's secret

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 1>past leagued before everyone was back in the position of control,

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<v Speaker 1>the damage could be incalculable. Forty one put it in writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight April two thousand and five, Brisbane's Gung Home morning

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<v Speaker 1>radio journalist Steve Austen for six to twelve ABC introduced

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<v Speaker 1>the story with gusto. The line about nurses hiding the

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>patients had grabbed his attention. His producer tracked Rob Messenger

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>down in Sydney and quickly put him on the air

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Austin relating the Courier Male's page three lead story, asked

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Messenger if he felt vindicated now. The novice Bunderberg MP,

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<v Speaker 1>whose bosses in Brisbane had instructed their media advisor Darren

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<v Speaker 1>Davies to begin priming other media outlets to have another

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>crack at the story, said he had never doubted the

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<v Speaker 1>concerns about Jaunt Patel. I'm supposed to be having lunch

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<v Speaker 1>with Nuttle today, I told Ruth as the radio program

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<v Speaker 1>played out at home, it'll be an interesting conversation after

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<v Speaker 1>the today. I bet he doesn't front up. My mobile

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<v Speaker 1>phone would not stop ringing. Darren Davies reckoned that doctor

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<v Speaker 1>David Malloy, the president of the Australian Medical Association's Queensland branch,

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<v Speaker 1>should be asked if he still stood by Patel. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to mLOY about whether he would support

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<v Speaker 1>the release of the report by doctor Jerry Fitzgerald, the

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Health Officer, or the establishment of a more exacting audit.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor mLOY began to put some distance between himself and Patel.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me I have not defended the doctor.

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<v Speaker 11>Doctor Patel is not a member of the AMA, and

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<v Speaker 11>I did not feel compelled to defend him. We have

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<v Speaker 11>been constantly arguing for better transparency in the health system,

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<v Speaker 11>and part of the tension between Queensland Health and the

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 11>medical organizations and the doctors they employ is over truth.

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<v Speaker 11>It is in the public interest that the truth is

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<v Speaker 11>told here. If there is a bad doctor in the system,

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<v Speaker 11>we have to wear that. We strongly support the findings

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 11>being made public. Covering up this stuff is not in

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 11>the public interest. The fact that the doctor has left

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 11>town already is not a reason to not have these

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 11>issues addressed. This is a serious inquiry. It is a

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 11>serious issue and in the public interest that the findings

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 11>be made public. Twenty kilometers from Brisbane, the public health

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 11>system runs on overseas crane doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the dreadful publicity that usually accompanies ham fisted cover

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>up attempts, I was puzzled by Gordon Nuttle's strategy in

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the staff dining room at Bunderberg Hospital the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely he did not think all the staff would suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>go quiet. What was his motive, I asked David molloy.

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<v Speaker 11>He doesn't want to undermine public confidence in the system

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<v Speaker 11>that supplies hundreds of doctors to try to bury this

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 11>is just so wrong. I'm concerned about the public interest

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 11>aspects of this, for the people of Bunderberg, for overseas,

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 11>craned doctors and the health system.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Atkins was blessed with finally tuned political antennae, in

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>part the result of his years working for a former

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:14.199
<v Speaker 1>labor government in Queensland before returning to journalism at The Courier.

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Mail Atkins reckon the story was a cracker. He urged

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>me to pursue it. Darren Davies called again from the

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<v Speaker 1>opposition's office.

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<v Speaker 12>The police are looking now at criminal negligence.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted me to interview messenger. When I reached him

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 1>in Sydney, he told me how Tess and Mark Brammich

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>had been to the police to ask for a criminal

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:42.719
<v Speaker 1>investigation over the treatment received by Das.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 13>She supplied death certificates and all the information she has.

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 13>I heard firsthand the devastation in their lives. I'm still

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 13>feeling angry. I have told my staff to write to

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<v Speaker 13>the Medical Board and am asking them to investigate this matter,

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<v Speaker 13>and I referred them to the previous correspondence. I have

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<v Speaker 13>also written into the Health Rights Commission. We would like

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<v Speaker 13>to see the report and if there's nothing to hide

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<v Speaker 13>and nothing has gone wrong, they shouldn't need to keep

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<v Speaker 13>it secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Messengers said Tess and Mark Brammich were among some fifty

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<v Speaker 1>locals wanting action.

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<v Speaker 13>There'll be a public meeting at the Brothers Club on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>My next contact was with Mark Brammich to confirm his

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<v Speaker 1>visit to the police.

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<v Speaker 11>We just want all the help we can get.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad didn't die because of the accident. He died because

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 14>We can't bring Dad back, but other people in.

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<v Speaker 1>Bunderberg might benefit. Tess told me.

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<v Speaker 15>Doctor Patel needs to answer a lot of questions that

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<v Speaker 15>we have.

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<v Speaker 1>The next call I made was to one of my

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<v Speaker 1>original contacts from late two thousand and three, doctor Chris Blenken,

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<v Speaker 1>who had told me about the debarkle over the Fiji

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>train doctors being falsely passed off as orthopedic surgeons at

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Bay Hospital. He had seen the paper that morning.

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<v Speaker 16>It's terrible. They're trying to bury it. The only justification

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 16>is that the findings are so bad it could cause

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 16>an extraordinary loss of confidence in the public system. If

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 16>it seemed to be a cover up that will lead

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 16>to a loss of confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Blencoln understood the dynamics immediately.

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<v Speaker 16>They should have some form of public inquiry into how

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 16>he came to be there in the first place and

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 16>where the mistakes were made in the appointment process. They

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<v Speaker 16>need to appoint investigators through the College of Surgeons to

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<v Speaker 16>perform a full audit into his surgery, as has been

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<v Speaker 16>done for the overseas trained doctors at Harvey Bay Hospital.

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<v Speaker 16>The patient files, notes and statements will all be there.

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<v Speaker 16>There is such a smell about this that it is

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<v Speaker 16>terribly important to maintain public confidence. An open inquiry should

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 16>be performed.

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<v Speaker 1>Before leaving the office to meet Gordon Nuttle, I wanted

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>doctor Peter Woodraff on the record, a vice president of

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the Royal Australia College of Surgeons. Doctor Woodruff worked for

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland Health as a vascular surgeon at the Princess Alexandra Hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>I quickly briefed him on the issue and the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>What should happen.

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<v Speaker 17>Doctor Woodruff replied, there's no question that it has to

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<v Speaker 17>be fully investigated and the public made aware of the findings.

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<v Speaker 17>There is no justification for not releasing it. If there

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<v Speaker 17>are complaints about surgical standards. As the body vested with

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<v Speaker 17>responsibility and a track record for striving to maintain standards,

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<v Speaker 17>the College would happily investigate any perceived efficiencies and surgical outcomes.

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<v Speaker 17>We should be a party to anything that smacks of

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<v Speaker 17>substandard surgery in this country so we can address it

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<v Speaker 17>and correct it.

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<v Speaker 1>If Queensland Health came under enough public pressure over the

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>report that it was refusing to disclose, I believed that

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>its leaders would crumble and relent. By the time Brendan

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<v Speaker 1>mckennery had called to he was coming to pick me

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<v Speaker 1>up from the courier ail for the lunch meeting with

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Gordon Nuttel. I had more than enough in my notepad

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to form the basis for a strong follow up story

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<v Speaker 1>in the Saturday paper. Michael Demi Gueraut reckoned. He had

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>seen it all. A career public servant. He began as

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<v Speaker 1>a junior clerk in the Mines Department. For the past

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>seventeen years, he had been Deputy Registrar of the Medical Board.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if he were ambitious, the prospects of career advancement

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>were limited. He knew the job backwards. He developed and

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>perused much of the paperwork, briefed perfunctory committee meetings, and

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>gave many of the doctors streaming into Queensland from overseas

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>a legal rubber stamp to permit them to practice. But

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, the Medical Board's executive officer, Jimo Dempsey, who

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<v Speaker 1>had been tipped off by Jerry Fitzgerald, asked Demi Gerau

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to drop everything. He was instructed to investigate JR. Patel's

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>registration history in the United States, In particular, jim O

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Dempsey wanted to know anything about past disciplinary issues. Michael

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Demi Gerou performed his own Internet search and retrieved the

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>data from the Oregon Board of Medical Examiner's website. It

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>stunned him. It was inexcusable. When he went to Patel's

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>complete file, he realized the travesty immediately. He and his

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>staff had overlooked a crucial notation. It states standing public

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>order on file sea attached. Demi Gerou turned the file over.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>There was nothing attached. It had been omitted. The clue

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<v Speaker 1>to the existence of discipline reaction and the documents setting

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>out what Patel had been disciplined for had been overlooked

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>by the Medical Board staff. Had they followed up the

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>clue or investigated Patel's background with a few clicks on

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the internet, the surgeon's incompetence in the US would have

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>been playing. They would have seen another notation, it says.

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<v Speaker 15>An amended stipulated order was entered on twelve September two thousand.

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<v Speaker 15>The order restricted licensee from performing surgeries involving the pancreas,

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 15>liver resections, and ilioanal reconstructions.

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<v Speaker 1>Demi Guau went to the website of the New York

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:43.240
<v Speaker 1>State Office of the Professions. Its information was more damning,

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<v Speaker 1>more succinct.

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<v Speaker 18>Effective date five ten, two thousand and one, Action License

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 18>surrender misconduct description. The physician did not contest the charge,

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<v Speaker 18>having been disciplined by the Oregon State Board of Medical

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 18>Examiners for negligence involving surgical patients.

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<v Speaker 1>A bureaucrat to his bootstraps, Demigero began producing a report.

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<v Speaker 1>O'dempsey wanted a complete written explanation for this debacle. Under

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the heading learnings, Demiguerou would.

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<v Speaker 19>Write, an incident such as this provides an opportunity to

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 19>reflect on the effectiveness of procedures in place and to

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<v Speaker 19>consider any changes which might ensure the circumstances which arose

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<v Speaker 19>in this case cannot reoccur.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter forty two, The Backlash. Eight April two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Hoffman went to work three hours later than usual

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>after her long day at the conference in Brisbane, a

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>secret visit with Karen Fox to the officers of the

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Courier mail, the flight back to Bunderberg, and another night

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>of sleepless worry. She was glad to be starting at

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>eleven am. It was a small mercy. Tony remained fearful.

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.839
<v Speaker 1>The article about the visit by Steve Buckland and the

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Minister Gordon Nuttle, and the provocative headline about the nurses

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>hiding patients from Jayant Patel, were the subject of gossip

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and speculation among staff. In the wards, Darren Keating kept

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>his head down. He had told only his wife and

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>the Director General, Steve Buckland, and Jennifer Kirby, a colleague

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and friend at the hospital, about the results of his

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Google search. They each had as much to lose as

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>he did. Peterleck remained ignorant of the discovery. Dianne Walls,

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the acting Director of Nursing, called a meeting of about

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>fifteen senior nurses. After Hoffman arrived in the seminar room

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>on the third floor, Walls, who had cut the article

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>from the newspaper, vented her anger over the latest blaze

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>of publicity. I'm appalled, she said. Walls told the nurses

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that anonymous sources were clearly trying to create unnecessary mischief

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:17.959
<v Speaker 1>and mayhem. She suspected someone in the meeting. A few

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>of the nurses there were also angry over the leak.

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>They felt threatened. Hoffman believed that Walls had fingered her

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>as the prime suspect. In Hoffman's favor, however, was her

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>absence from Bunderbergh. During the dressing down delivered by Steve

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Buckland and Gordon Nuttle, Tony called out to Walls from

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the back of the room.

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Why is it appalling? It's all true jail.

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Alma had made a point of moving off to one

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>side of the room. She very deliberately made herself a

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 1>highly visible study of concentration. She had a pretty good

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>idea that Hoffman was behind the article in the Courier Male.

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>In the past months, when Tony had confided some of

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the actions she was taking to stop until operating, Alma

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>half jokingly told her friend and colleague that she needed

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:11.839
<v Speaker 1>to see a psychiatrist.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>You're certifiable, she would say.

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>But Dianne Walls had not been joking in her efforts

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to persuade Hoffman to have counseling four mental stress.

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 3>We're all really worried about you, Tony. Peter Leck is

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 3>especially worried about you.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Please seek some help. Hoffman was going mad. She was

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>mad with management for its inertia and its blinked approach

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>to Patel. Alma held up the article in the meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about this.

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>The other nurses looked at her. She emanated authority and credibility.

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>She was about to throw Hoffman a lifeline.

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<v Speaker 10>I've read it closely, and I reckon the information in

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 10>it has come from a doctor.

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 3>It reads like something from a doctor, not a nurse.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone bore it. They agreed a doctor was behind the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffmann sided with relief. The meeting ended Chapter forty three

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<v Speaker 1>Mind Games eight April two thousand and five. The Hellenic Club,

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<v Speaker 1>in a time worn building on Russell Street in South Brisbane,

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>is a favorite meeting place for the Greek community's senior

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>citizens and their sons. Its old tables on the outdoor

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>patio sit uneasily on crack tiles overlooking a neglected garden

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and driveway. The club has none of the refinement of

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the riverside restaurants favored by politicians and business leaders. Despite

0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 1>its authentic and remarkable food, friendly staff and casual atmosphere,

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 1>it is the last place you would expect to find

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 1>a cabinet minister. For Gordon Nuttle, it was the perfect

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>venue for a low key chat with a journalist who

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>had become one of his government's thorns. Leo Kelleherth, the

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Premiers Director General, still wanted my guts for Garters for

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>exposing the freedom of information fiasco and the remarkable appointment

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>two months earlier of Kathy Taylor. By meeting with me,

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Gordon Nuttle was fraternizing with the enemy at an outside

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>table as the Greek regular savored souvlaki and ribbed each

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:41.240
<v Speaker 1>other over card games. Nuttle and I talked. My estimation

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of him rose because he had fronted after being stitched

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>up in that day's newspaper. At least he was not precious.

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>After a tentative introduction, he spoke about the challenges confronting

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Queensland health as he sipped a beer. He stressed the

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>brutal reality a fine amount of money and an infinite

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>number of costly medical procedures. He came across as a realist,

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>being as honest as he dared about a system under strained.

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>We exchanged ideas and anecdotes. He told me of his

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>respect for some of my colleagues and his contempt for others.

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.399
<v Speaker 1>At one stage, he asked why I was laboring at

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the Courier Mail, and wanted to know why I had

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>not moved elsewhere, like into a more lucrative job in government.

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 1>He was ambitious. When I asked him about taking on

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>what was arguably the toughest job in cabinet, Gordon Nuttle laughed.

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Despite health being a huge promotion from the industrial relations portfolio,

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>none of his colleagues had wanted it. He decided that

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:56.760
<v Speaker 1>they were whimps. If he made a good fist of health,

0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>he would prove his credentials as a premiership contender. None

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of the logs around the cabinet table could see the

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>potential of health and how a competent chief might soar

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 1>in the portfolio. That's how he saw it. For all

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:16.720
<v Speaker 1>his ambition, Nuttle was not an insider. Premier Peter Beatty

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>was weary of him. The Deputy Premier and Treasurer Terry Macknroth,

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and the Racing Minister Robert Schwarten had little time for him.

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>He had succeeded in bringing in anti smoking measures which

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>infuriated the major clubs and threatened to dent the revenues

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 1>from poker machines. Macenroth had opposed the proposals. The bottom

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>line for Treasury was a loss. The bean counters did

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>not factor in the future savings from improving the health

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of individuals. Nuttle spoke highly of Education Minister Anna Bly,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>who was struggling to limit fallout from the tardy handling

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>of the issue of asbestos in schools, and he praised

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Attorney General Rod Welford, who had been damaged by legal

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 1>bungles and speculation over his conduct at a Christmas party.

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Nuttle was also close to a former Deputy Premier, Jim Elder,

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 1>who had quit over a vote wroughting scandal. I had

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the unfortunate assignment of confronting Elda at his home with

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:26.720
<v Speaker 1>the evidence of the rards, precipitating his sudden resignation. Nuttle

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 1>relied on Jim Elder's wife, Lisa Shilts for advice on

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>media management. She had been his ministerial media adviser until

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>transferring to the most senior media management role in the department.

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Answering to Steve Buckland, I suspected that both Schiltz and

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Elder were not among my fans. Nuttle's big picture analysis

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>of health was interesting for its honesty, but it did

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:56.880
<v Speaker 1>not advance the issue I wanted to drive. I broached

0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>the Bunderberg story. I told Nuttle that I believed it

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 1>had legs. His response baffled and angered me. Nuttles said, I.

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 6>Have to be fair to the doctor. He has not

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 6>received natural justice.

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>He asked me what I thought about the predicament, and

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I replied, You've got a doctor who has forfeited his

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 1>right to natural justice by leaving, and now you've got

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a hospital with a lot of angry staff who think

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>you are covering it up. How does doctor Patel leaving

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Australia somehow prevent a thorough investigation or the release of

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the report. Surely you owe more to the staff and

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the patients than you do to Pateel. If Patel turns

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>out to have been a major problem, you are going

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to have to carry the can for him. I'm going

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 1>to Bunderberg first thing Monday morning to try to find

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>out exactly what has been going on there. But Nuttle

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>kept returning to the natural justice issue, which seemed to

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>me either a red herring or an idea someone else,

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>perhaps Buckland, had pressed and exaggerated. Natural justice never worried

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>politicians when it came to launching at tax in parliament

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:11.479
<v Speaker 1>on perceived enemies. Why was it suddenly so concerning Now?

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>My mobile phone rang. It was Rob Messenger calling with

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>more information. He was determined to remain integral to the

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 1>story that he had kicked off in Parliament on twenty

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>two March. I did not tell him why I couldn't chat.

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Nuttle seemed to grasp the need for a strategy. The

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.400
<v Speaker 1>meeting with Bunderberg staff the day before had rattled him.

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Realizing the issue was not going away and might become

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a serious problem. He groped for a remedy, a circuit breaker.

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 1>He seized it when I told him I had spoken

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to doctor Peter Woodroff minutes before coming to the lunch.

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I told him about Woodroff's comments about the need for

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the College of surgeons to be involved in any audit

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of ptel's. Nuttle was oblivious to the two thousand and

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.800
<v Speaker 1>three report by one of his senior advisers, doctor Dennis Lennox.

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Its warnings about the dangers inherent in the Medical Board

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of Queensland's abysmal screening of overseas trained doctors, a number

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>of whom lacked competence, had been front page news before

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Nuttle's appointment. Nuttle asked me to repeat the full name

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of the report and its author. He made a note

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of it. I explained how the report had been published

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.959
<v Speaker 1>in the Courier Mail in November two thousand and three,

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 1>a few months before he took on the portfolio, and

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>how its warnings and recommendations were backed up by respected

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>practitioners such as doctor Chris Blenken of the Australian Orthopedics

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Association and doctor Anne Colb, president of the Royal Australasian

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:57.239
<v Speaker 1>College of Surgeons. Nuttele told me he would ask his

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>department for a copy. When I began writing in a

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>mini notebook, Nuttle chose his words carefully.

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 6>These are matters of great concern to me. I understand

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 6>that patients and families have concerns as well as staff.

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 6>We're trying to be open and accountable. There is nothing

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 6>in Fitzgerald's report that we want to hide, but we

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 6>are in a dilemma. I have a person here not

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 6>able to respond because he's left. We are obviously concerned

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.439
<v Speaker 6>about both the patients and the families, and that's why

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.799
<v Speaker 6>we need to talk with the Chief Health Officer to

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 6>address those concerns.

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>When I asked about doctor Woodruff's offer, Nuttle.

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 6>Replied, I'm happy to meet with the College and talk

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 6>about the issue. I'm not opposed to it. If that's

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 6>the offer, I will talk to the Chief Health Officer.

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 6>What he indicated to me was that there were concerns

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 6>enough for him to refer the doctor to the Queensland

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.359
<v Speaker 6>Medical Board. Now, if it can be sustained that these

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 6>allegations were made two years ago, we need to have

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 6>a real good look at the operations of the Bunderberg

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 6>Base Hospital, because I'm not happy that it's taken that

0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 6>long to be brought to my attention.

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 1>The interview and the lunch over, Brendan mckennery fixed up

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the bill and drove me back to the office. I

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>had everything I needed for the following day's story, it

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 1>was headlined police open file on doctor death's alleged killing.

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>This is what my story stated.

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 10>A police probe into the alleged unlawful killing of a

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 10>Bunderberg based hospital patient began yesterday as the dead man's

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:39.800
<v Speaker 10>grieving widow and son demanded full disclosure from Health Minister

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 10>Gordon Nuttle. De's Bramage fifty six was one of at

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 10>least fourteen patients whose treatment by the overseas trained doctor

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:54.320
<v Speaker 10>Jank Tel alarmed hospital doctors and staff, prompting a top

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 10>level investigation by Queensland Health. Health professionals and heads of

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 10>Theustralian Medical Association and the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 10>called on Queensland Health to openly deal with the preliminary

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 10>findings of Chief Health Officer, Doctor Jerry Fitzgerald. Their calls

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 10>came as mister Nuttle revealed he was told by doctor

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 10>Fitzgerald that the issues surrounding doctor Patel were serious and

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 10>warranted referral and further inquiry by the Medical Board of Queensland,

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:26.680
<v Speaker 10>which prosecutes doctors.

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 1>The article continued and it included quotes from Mark Brammich,

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:37.840
<v Speaker 1>doctor David Malloy Nuttle and doctor Woodruff. For the second

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 1>time in as many days, the Minister's photograph ran as

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a single column picture, this time with a prescient caption.

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:57.799
<v Speaker 1>It said, Trying Times, Chapter forty four, Strategy nine to ten.

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>April two thousand and five. Peter wood have slept soundly

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>in the master bedroom of his motor cruiser Annabel, the

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty three meter white hole. The beauty was gently rising

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.800
<v Speaker 1>on the tide at its manly mooring when the leading

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 1>vascular surgeon's mobile phone began bleeping about six am. His

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 1>wife Maria woke him. The phone was upstairs on the

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:27.800
<v Speaker 1>counter near the kitchen. Called so early usually meant bad news,

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:31.280
<v Speaker 1>thought Woodruff as he walked up the polished teak steps.

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Was it a clinical crisis at the Princess Alexandra Hospital

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:40.439
<v Speaker 1>for an accident involving someone in his family? He had

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 1>purchased Annabel shortly after the September eleven catastrophe at the

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 1>World Trade Center. He and Maria tried to escape to

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the boat most weekends, and they often succeeded in luring

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>their eldest daughter, Samantha. Her husband, Roger Traves, a leading lawyer,

0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and their little ones for day trips to the beach

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>at Peel Island. Since Peter and Maria's children had grown

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 1>up and moved away, the family home at Chelma overlooking

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 1>the Brisbane River had lost some of its appeal, but

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Annabel turned heads on Morton Bay. She was the perfect sanctuary.

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 1>After battles with administrators at the Princess Alexandra Hospital. The

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>early morning caller was deb Podbury, a bay of Woodrooff's

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:29.359
<v Speaker 1>professional life. He suspected he was about to be reprimanded.

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.359
<v Speaker 1>A tough Queensland Health District manager with a reputation for

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>towing the corporate line and taking the clinicians to task.

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Podbury had attempted to reign in Woodroff in the past.

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:46.399
<v Speaker 1>His well intentioned to contact with journalists had caused alarm.

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 1>During one memorable made for television event by Premier Peter

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Beatty to the Princess Alexandra Hospital, Woodroff beat the Premier

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 1>at his own game. As the cameras rolled and the

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:02.960
<v Speaker 1>self proclaimed political Metas Tart talked up the hospital's capabilities,

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Woodrof told him the reality there were too few beds,

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>severely limited funding, patients were not receiving timely treatment. From

0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a public relations perspective, this was dreadful for Beaty Damning.

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 1>The Evening News played it up. It was the sort

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>of spectacle that the bureaucrats, who probably regarded the satirical

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:31.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes Minister program as a serious documentary never forgot. Dev

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Podbury's tone and the hour of the call put Woodroof

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:39.320
<v Speaker 1>on guard. When she sounded sorry for disturbing his sleep,

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he relaxed.

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Have you read this morning's paper, she asked him.

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Woodroff, who was yet to see Saturday's edition of the

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Courier Ale, wondered what it said. No, I haven't, he replied.

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 3>There's a rogue doctor and the Minister is going to

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 3>have an inquiry into it. Your name has been suggested

0:52:58.719 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 3>as an investigator.

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 1>She was friendly, asking if he would have any objection

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:06.760
<v Speaker 1>to receiving a call from Gordon Nuttle.

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 17>Of course not.

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 3>You will possibly hear from him or his department in

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 3>the near future.

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>About twenty minutes later, Nuttle called, would have found the

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 1>early morning activity a little hard to follow.

0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 6>I would like you to join a team to review

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 6>the issues at Bunderberg Base Hospital, involving doctor Patel.

0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Nuttle told him.

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 17>No problem at all, Minister. We have had rogue doctors before.

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:33.600
<v Speaker 17>This should be pretty straightforward.

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 6>No, this is serious, very serious.

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 1>After the call, Woodruff went to a nearby shop to

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.760
<v Speaker 1>buy the paper. When he read the article, he still

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 1>couldn't understand why Nuttle and Podbury seemed so worried. At

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the same time, my enthusiasm for the story was now

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 1>tempered with concern. The College of Surgeons wanted to be involved,

0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the Minister had begun to take it seriously, and the

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Australian Medical Association also now urged a thorough review. What

0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>if the investigations determined that things were not nearly as

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 1>bad as Tony Hoffman had claimed. I spoke to her

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that Saturday morning and I said, if what you are

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>saying is right, I reckon there's a good chance it

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 1>will come out. My qualified comment angered Tony. She replied crossly.

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:30.879
<v Speaker 2>You still doubt me, don't you. You're not convinced yet.

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I promise you it's much worse than people think. It's shocking.

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I was on my mobile phone at the Rockley Markets

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:43.480
<v Speaker 1>while Ruth and the children shopped for fruit. A leaflet

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:47.279
<v Speaker 1>for the local subway sandwich outlet became my notepaper, as

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Hoffman vented her Anger Queens.

0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 2>And Health spends a lot of money teaching us about

0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 2>risk management and putting us through courses on open disclosure,

0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:59.720
<v Speaker 2>and then when we need to disclose, the system fails.

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.360
<v Speaker 2>People went in for simple operations and came out missing

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 2>a scleen. Doctors and administrators don't know how bad it

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 2>has been. It's the ICU nurses who have had to

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 2>go in each day and look after his complications, and

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 2>who had to lie to patients about what had gone wrong.

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.759
<v Speaker 2>He was still performing surgery until the end. On the

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 2>day it was raised in state Parliament, he was operating

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:29.439
<v Speaker 2>that night and didn't seem at all concerned. He would

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 2>ingratiate himself by buying the alcohol at parties and gifts

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 2>for the other staff. There are lies in the death certificates.

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 2>We don't know the full extent of it.

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Her impassioned account bolstered my confidence, and I felt guilty

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 1>for doubting her. My plan was to head into the

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 1>office to pick up the files I would need for

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:55.399
<v Speaker 1>the two night visit to Bunderberg. The later story had

0:55:55.440 --> 0:56:00.800
<v Speaker 1>provoked some strong reaction on my office computer from Darren

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Davies flagged the doorstop media conference.

0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:07.800
<v Speaker 12>National Shadow Minister for Hell Stuart Copeland will be available

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:11.360
<v Speaker 12>at Parliament House for comment on the Bunderberg Hospital issue

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.640
<v Speaker 12>and mental health escapees from eleven thirty am or whenever

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:15.440
<v Speaker 12>acquired today.

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>But it was the email that had popped in at

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:23.160
<v Speaker 1>twelve twenty six pm from David Potter, the media advisor

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 1>for Gordon Nuttle, that peaud my interest head.

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 14>This is the release from men for yesterday. Minus asked

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 14>Jerry Fitzgerald to call you, so I've given Jerry your number.

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:37.719
<v Speaker 14>Cheers Potter. The media release that David attached to the

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 14>email was fascinating.

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 10>April nine, two thousand and five. Minister announces Bunderberg Hospital

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 10>services review. Health Minister Gordon Nuttle today announced a comprehensive

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 10>review of safety and quality at the Bunderberg Base Hospital.

0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:59.640
<v Speaker 10>Mister Nuttle said he has also been informed by Independent

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:04.200
<v Speaker 10>Chief Health Officer, doctor Jerry Fitzgerald that issues regarding a

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 10>doctor from the Bunderberg Hospital had been referred to the

0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 10>Queensland Medical Board. Mister Nuttle said in light of allegations,

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 10>a full and comprehensive investigation of all clinical services will

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 10>be carried out by a panel, including Royal Australasian College

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 10>of Surgeons Vice President, Professor Peter Woodruff. All appointees will

0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 10>be given investigative powers under the Health Act by the

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 10>Director General. The panel will report their findings to Doctor Fitzgerald.

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 10>The report will be made publicly available. Doctor Fitzgerald's recent

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:41.000
<v Speaker 10>conducted audit of clinical services at the hospital showed issues

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 10>of concern about individual patient outcomes. I would reiterate what

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.000
<v Speaker 10>I have said this week that the correct process of

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 10>investigating concerns at the hospital was circumvented by the naming

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 10>of the doctor in the State Parliament by the Member

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 10>for Burnett. When concerns were first raised with my Department

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:03.520
<v Speaker 10>and with Queensland Health, immediate action was taken through the

0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 10>audit by doctor Fitzgerald, but clearly we must do more.

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.600
<v Speaker 10>My major priority as Health Minister must be the welfare

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 10>of patients and staff. The Medical Board investigation will ensure

0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 10>that any issues relating to the doctor concerned are thoroughly examined.

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 10>I need an absolute guarantee of quality and safety at

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 10>the Bunderberg Hospital to maintain not only my confidence, but

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:33.360
<v Speaker 10>most importantly that of the public, patients and staff who

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 10>have aired their concerns deserve answers and if needed action,

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 10>Mister Nuttle said.

0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:45.640
<v Speaker 1>My only regret was the timing of its release. It

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 1>fell right into the lap of the Sunday Mail newspaper.

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I emailed Tony Hoffmann and forwarded to her the media

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:57.520
<v Speaker 1>release about the clinical review. I wrote, Tony, I came

0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:00.280
<v Speaker 1>into work today to get some files and this was

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<v Speaker 1>on my email. The truth is coming out. You will

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<v Speaker 1>be fine. When I rang Potter, he said that Nuttle

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<v Speaker 1>and the Chief Health Officer, Jerry Fitzgerald had just done

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<v Speaker 1>a media conference to talk about the review. I learned

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<v Speaker 1>that Fitzgerald had been mowing the lawn at home when

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<v Speaker 1>he received the call to come in and lend support

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<v Speaker 1>to Nuttle. Chapter forty five. Now they're talking. Ten April

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five. The seventeenth hole at Indrapilli Golf

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<v Speaker 1>Course is a long, dog legged par four with an

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<v Speaker 1>elevated green. Making it onto the putting surface in two

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<v Speaker 1>shots is a rare feat. My mobile phone was ringing

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<v Speaker 1>and vibrating in my trouser pocket. The swing disintegrated along

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<v Speaker 1>with a deep divot which advanced farther than the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dreadful mis Fire.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, it's Jerry Fitzgerald, the Chief Health Officer. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 5>for interrupting a Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>As Potter had promised, the Chief Health Officer was calling

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<v Speaker 1>about the review. He and Nuttle had announced it the

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<v Speaker 1>day before the Sunday mails. Darryl Giles went to the

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<v Speaker 1>media conference along with the TV journalists. It made a

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<v Speaker 1>brief story. Jerry Fitzgerald, one of a few senior Queensland

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<v Speaker 1>health people who already knew about ptel's US background, explained

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<v Speaker 1>that he was happy to respond to questions about his

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<v Speaker 1>audit at Bunderberg Base Hospital. When I returned home from

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<v Speaker 1>the golf course and called him for a formal interview,

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<v Speaker 1>he was friendly and open. He did not volunteer any

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<v Speaker 1>clues to the highly sensitive revelation of the Oregon and

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<v Speaker 1>New York discipline reaction. Patiently and methodically, Fitzgerald told me

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<v Speaker 1>about his clinical audit tw What.

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<v Speaker 5>We found came in two broad categories. Firstly, issues relating

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<v Speaker 5>to the scope of practice. He would tend to do

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<v Speaker 5>complex procedures that were outside the scope of a hospital

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<v Speaker 5>the size of Bunderberg, very complex operations that should have

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<v Speaker 5>been done somewhere else. And as a result of that,

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<v Speaker 5>in these complex cases, even in the best of hands,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a high complication rate. But certainly doing them at

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<v Speaker 5>Bunderberg without the support, the complication rate appears to be

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<v Speaker 5>higher than anyone would be happy with. Secondly, there's the

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<v Speaker 5>complication rate in general. We've got comparative data. It's evident

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<v Speaker 5>that he has a higher complication rate in certain aspects

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<v Speaker 5>we meet here, infection rates, rate of wound breakdown, and

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<v Speaker 5>damage to another organ during an operation. Certainly there were

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<v Speaker 5>some higher complication rates. The hospital, being a small country hospital,

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<v Speaker 5>did not have the systems and structures in place to

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<v Speaker 5>detect this.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier or Old's answers did not tally with what I

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<v Speaker 1>understood Tony Hoffman and the other nurses had detected. I

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<v Speaker 1>asked about their disclosures and complaints. I believe that if

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<v Speaker 1>Fitzgerald backed Hoffman in print, she would be less likely

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<v Speaker 1>to suffer retribution. Jerry Fitzgerald responded.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm aware that there was some informal raising of the issues.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure if that was raised in a written way.

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<v Speaker 5>Certainly the people who raised them were concerned that they

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<v Speaker 5>raised them and concerned that not too much had happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I have to pay tribute to the staff up there.

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<v Speaker 5>They were brave and persistent in their complaints and in

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<v Speaker 5>raising their concerns. The information they have brought to us

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<v Speaker 5>is factual in what it says. They were honest about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I do not have any reason to doubt them.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he had about six cardboard boxes filled with

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<v Speaker 1>files relating to the fourteen patients. Pinpointed by Hoffman.

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<v Speaker 5>We did not have enough information to confront Dr Patel

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<v Speaker 5>on all of those cases. We interviewed Dr Patel and

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<v Speaker 5>asked him what was going on. He did speak about

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<v Speaker 5>a higher level of wound breakdown, and he suggested these

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<v Speaker 5>were not really his fault. He thought that it was

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<v Speaker 5>largely a conflict with the people in intensive care. They

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<v Speaker 5>did not understand him or support him, and there was

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<v Speaker 5>a personality conflict. Even talking to him, it's probable that

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<v Speaker 5>he does not see himself as a bad man, and

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<v Speaker 5>he believed what he was doing was possibly in the

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<v Speaker 5>interests of those patients.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked about Patel's background and credentials. The Chief Health Officer,

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<v Speaker 1>who had known since the previous Thursday of the serious

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<v Speaker 1>concern over Patel's restrictions, did not miss a beat.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a copy of his CV. All cvs are

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<v Speaker 5>very broad in their description. I have not read one

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<v Speaker 5>yet that says I'm no good.

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