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Speaker 1: This episode of Headgame was recorded on gadigal Land. It's

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Speaker 1: eight Pril four, two thousand and four. Thirty five year

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Speaker 1: old Pete Murray's second album, Feeler, has just hit number

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Speaker 1: one in the Area album's chart, and he's done it

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Speaker 1: just thirteen years after picking up a guitar for the

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Speaker 1: first time. Despite spending a month at the top of

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Speaker 1: the Queensland singer songwriter can't comprehend its success. Only seven

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Speaker 1: years ago, he'd been planning an A grade rugby union career.

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Speaker 1: A serious knee injury put an end to that, so

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Speaker 1: he turned to songwriting. Even with the likes of Powderfinger

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Speaker 1: praising his music, Pete is rapped with self doubt. I'm

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Speaker 1: at Middleton and this is Headgame today. Pete Murray on

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Speaker 1: overcoming personal and professional roadblocks and the lessons he still

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Speaker 1: carries from his father's early death. Pete, the last time

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Speaker 1: I saw you, mate, your arm was in some kind

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Speaker 1: of distorted position. You dislocated your elbow. It was the

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Speaker 1: milling phase, which is the boxing phase of SAS Australia,

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Speaker 1: and I can just remember looking at your arm stopping

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Speaker 1: the fight, handing you over to the medic but looking

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Speaker 1: your face of no, no, no, no, no, I want to continue,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, Pete, look, look look at your

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Speaker 1: arm and then tell me, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember that the first question. I think I know

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Speaker 2: whether it was to you or whether it was to

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Speaker 2: the doc Dan, So can you put it back in

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Speaker 2: because I'm like, I just I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: That was to me?

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Speaker 2: To you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you got up and you didn't even I

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Speaker 1: don't think you realized until you went to throw another

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Speaker 1: punch and then you you couldn't or you were pit

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Speaker 1: in the back of your head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, I didn't know what had happened.

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Speaker 2: I actually I heard a bit of a crunch and

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Speaker 2: I thought it ever broken it. I was like, it's okay,

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Speaker 2: and I thought okay, and you were like no, mate, no, no, no, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I just couldn't remember who I asked the question

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Speaker 2: to it. I was like, can you put it back

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Speaker 2: in it? Because that I got knocked over or what happened?

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Speaker 2: You know. I was like, no, that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: You got knocked over and you fell on your arm

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Speaker 1: and I heard a pop.

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Speaker 2: You know, I put my arm, which is a mistake

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Speaker 2: and made put my arm back to break the fall

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Speaker 2: which just fall on my back. Yeah, just an instinct,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that moment it just popped straight out

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Speaker 2: and that was it.

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Speaker 1: And mate, you're doing so well as well. You seem

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Speaker 1: to be embracing it. And you know what a segue

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Speaker 1: to come from a musician to being on SAS Australia,

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Speaker 1: but not only being on SAS Australia, Pete, you you

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Speaker 1: embraced it from day dot. I always look at people

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Speaker 1: when I've got them lined out on the parade square.

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Speaker 1: First day, you've just been thrashed. You've come to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to process you now, you know, give you

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Speaker 1: a brief, tell you what what the hell you've got

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Speaker 1: discipline within you. I'm looking for discipline, I'm looking for nervousness.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to see if you're there for the right reasons,

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Speaker 1: just by the way you know, your demeanor, the way

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Speaker 1: I saw very focused Pete Murray. Now why did you

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Speaker 1: want to leave your guitar? Let's say, which we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into in a bit and and do, which

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Speaker 1: is ultimately the toughest course outside of the military in

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, you know what, for me, I was the

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Speaker 2: first series and I was just I was into it. See,

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Speaker 2: my background was sport, always was sport, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: pick up a guitar and it was funny too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, take me back there then.

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Speaker 2: So my background was I was swimming and athletics and

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Speaker 2: footy what I played. So swimming was kind of the

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Speaker 2: eight hundred was a real jostle, you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: Did you come from a sporting background where your family

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Speaker 2: I was fast. It was kind of like a sprinter

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Speaker 2: when I was younger. When I was about twelve, I

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Speaker 1: So we're talking high standard here. We're not talking enjoyed athletic.

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Speaker 2: Was at a high level you were. I think I ran,

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Speaker 1: You have to, like say, it's very tactical because a

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Speaker 1: It's a mind game, right.

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Speaker 2: It is? It is. And you know even that bell

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Speaker 2: Went to the komaf Games trials when I was nineteen,

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Speaker 2: I was like I didn't know whether athletics was going

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Speaker 1: I had to look at it and go have a drink.

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Speaker 2: Them run yees, so I had to look at it

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Speaker 2: And then I stort of got into the rugby again

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Speaker 2: This is all kind of my story I'm telling this

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Speaker 1: I never knew this, mate, and you know, I wish

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Speaker 2: This is the drive that I have. I think. You know.

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Speaker 2: seen me play and Jeff come up to me said, look,

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Speaker 2: So back then I said, look, you know, here's my

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Speaker 2: That's a stepping stone from doing the sevens massive and

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Speaker 2: seven Steam. I didn't hear from Bob, so I thought,

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Speaker 2: oh well, I'll just I went back to the physio

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Speaker 2: on the Monday, and Tuesday comes along and then my

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Speaker 2: She said, oh, Bob someone. I'm like, oh no, I

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Speaker 2: They're going to think you're a lazy bastard and that's it,

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Speaker 2: you know, So mate, that was my chance. It went.

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Speaker 2: old knee injury that's just been hang around for a

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Speaker 1: Knees back, I know.

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Speaker 2: So in two thousand and seven, the Wallabies have asked

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Speaker 2: They'd just been knocked out of the World Cup. So

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Speaker 2: I go over and guess who's there, Bob do So.

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Speaker 2: At this stage, Jo, I'm kind of pretty well known.

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Speaker 2: Well, I borrowed money from my sister and her husband

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00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,600
Speaker 2: the time to try and record my first independent album

434
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 2: and I got some really good reviews from that, which

435
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 2: gave me the confidence you've got You've got to sort

436
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 2: of pick up little things along the way that gives

437
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 2: you confidence in your belief in yourself when you're going

438
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 2: remember getting a great article written on me in the

439
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 2: Australian Australian newspaper and someone said, look, this guy could

440
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 2: be really huge if we had if a major label

441
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,400
Speaker 2: took him on, and back in those days you kind

442
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 2: of needed a major label to give you a letter.

443
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 2: It was either like, you know, here you can be independent.

444
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 2: If're getting Triple j support, then you can do okay.

445
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 2: But if you don't have Triple Jane, you don't have

446
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 2: commercial You've got nothing. And so Mayak sort of fell

447
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,959
Speaker 2: into that in between, and there's nothing there, so uh

448
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 2: looks as I went on, I did my independent album

449
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 2: and it was really hard because you just don't have money,

450
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm thirty and I've got mates. At

451
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 2: this stage, I moved to Melbourne to try and from

452
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 2: Brisbane to Melbourne to give me a really good girl.

453
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 2: I had to give it everything I had otherwise it

454
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 2: just wasn't going to work. And I remember times when

455
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 2: I was digging in the cupboard for food because there

456
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,199
Speaker 2: was just nothing. I had no money and I was

457
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 2: whatever I had their counterbake beans or whatever, just living

458
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: off whatever.

459
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

460
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 2: Mulded toast, you know, to eat stuff. It was. It

461
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: was really hard. And I remember getting to the point

462
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: where I hadn't quite finished my studies in the natural medicine,

463
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: so I thought got the point that I I can't

464
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: do this anymore. It's just too hard. I think of

465
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: this so jo. I was getting closer to thirty one,

466
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 2: thirty two, and you.

467
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: Get you're digging up a lot of debt. You're getting yourself.

468
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my sister. And you know, it was just

469
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 2: I think my other mates too were starting to get

470
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 2: good jobs, they're having families, and I had I had nothing,

471
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, so there's plan B was to go back

472
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: and finish the studies and I'll go back and do,

473
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: you know, work natural medicine again. I was like, well,

474
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 2: if I have to, I'm have to do then, you know,

475
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just kind of a lined up I

476
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: had four years earlier. But when I got signed to

477
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: the label, a friend of mine had a friend who

478
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,719
Speaker 2: worked in the accounts department at Sony, So they said, look,

479
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: can we send a little you know, four track EP

480
00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: to them?

481
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: You know, happening into every everything you've got and you

482
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: have to every every penny you your take, so you're

483
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: literally exhausting all options at this stage.

484
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 2: Back in those days, it was just wasn't it was

485
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: an email. You know, You've got to physically drop off

486
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 2: the CD, you know, and so I did that, dropped

487
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: it off, and then I forgot about it. So then I,

488
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: you know, off the good reviews I was getting. I

489
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: had someone at Sony going interested in, you know, getting

490
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: me sign of the label, and I gave them my album,

491
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: the new independent album that had sort of got lost

492
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: in somewhere, and he was this guy's based in Melbourne,

493
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 2: but the main guy's up here in Sydney. So he's

494
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: contacted them and said, look, you know, if you guys

495
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: heard this new album, because you know, this guy's starting

496
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: to get some good buzz on him. And they said,

497
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: we haven't. We can't find the album. But there's been

498
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: this four track EP by Pete Murray that's been apparently

499
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 2: circulating through the office here at Sony and everyone loves

500
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: it for the last four years or something, you know,

501
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: like is it the same guy? So that I've had

502
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: my my my contact in Melbourne going, was that you that?

503
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: Did I say, Oh, I forgot about it? Yeah, yes

504
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: it is. It's all these things lined up and said

505
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: we want you to come down and play a gig

506
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 2: for Sony and then it's you know, I got signed

507
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: from there.

508
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: So take me back to that moment when you got

509
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: signed people, because that's that's a huge moment, you know,

510
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: not only for you, a huge moment for music. Was

511
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 1: it progressive or do Was there a moment where they

512
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: just want to hear the contract?

513
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew they wanted to sign me. You know,

514
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 2: I played a good, a great gig for them. There's

515
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: also this just a bit of a swell, but you're

516
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: still not out of the woods, you know what I mean.

517
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I was nervous about signing

518
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: with it because I've been independent for a while and

519
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: you hear these stories about labels and how the deals

520
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: aren't so good, and the deals aren't so good, but

521
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: that's your only option back then. So I kind of

522
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: said to myself, Look, if I don't do it, I'm

523
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: probably going to start the death. This isn't gonna work.

524
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: But if I if I can give these guys the

525
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: best album I can I can do, then they're going

526
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: to take it as far as they can. That was

527
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: my attitude. So I recorded the first album called FeelA,

528
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: first major release through those guys, Feeler, and I recorded that,

529
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: and I, to be honest, I sort of fell into

530
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: a bit of a world of doubt about that I

531
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: just didn't think it was good enough, and.

532
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: You didn't think that they promoted it well enough or

533
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: mocked Lger. You didn't think that you'd done a good enough.

534
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: Job the album and gang busters that went gang busters.

535
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: But I was still sitting there, going, this is just

536
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: not good enough, you know. I sort of fell into

537
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: this we call it post album blues, where you've done

538
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: the product, but you can't hear anything good about.

539
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: It to put the album together into what you must

540
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: have thought to put it to someone like this is

541
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: this album is good? How does it go from that to?

542
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting what you said about the

543
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: post album blues. That's I've never heard of that before.

544
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, and I can't explain it.

545
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: But I couldn't listen to that album. And I didn't

546
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: listen to that album from start to finish, because I

547
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: listened to sort of, you know, as the mixers came

548
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 2: in a little bits of the songs, and I just

549
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: I just couldn't hear anything good about it. Everyone was

550
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: telling me this is a great album, and then when

551
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: they put it out, it was kind of, you know,

552
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: it was kind of acoustic roots music, which back then

553
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: it was all pop before this came out and this

554
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: hit and it just went bang. It was massive and

555
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: it became like the biggest act in the country there

556
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: for a number of years. But at the start of it,

557
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: I'm sort of thinking this is still why do people

558
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: like this? I just couldn't get it. So I didn't

559
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: listen to this album for eight years. I couldn't do it.

560
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: Every time put it on, just turn it off. I

561
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: couldn't listen to it. I don't know what it was.

562
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: Eight years later, I got a text message from this

563
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: is when I had a lot of success. I got

564
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: a text message from Darren Middleton, from a band called

565
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: powder Finger. Darren just texted me said, mate, just listen

566
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: to Feeler. What a great album. And I remember thinking

567
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: to myself, is it I've got to listen to this

568
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: album from start to finish because I just hadn't done it.

569
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: So I thought put it on because what you do

570
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: is you kind of judge your stuff too much, and

571
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: you know, I thought, I'm going to put it on.

572
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge it. I'm listened to it

573
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: from start to finish and not turn it off. And

574
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: so I did, and I got to the end of

575
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: the end of the album eight years later, and I went,

576
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: oh shit, actually that's a really good album. I put

577
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: myself through health eight years even when I was playing

578
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: the sold out show, sold it shoves, sold it show.

579
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: And because of this album, you'd now gone into a

580
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: different stratosphere.

581
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah.

582
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: But it was just relarity and.

583
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: I just couldn't hear it. So that was just something

584
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: that was a real whether it was because I had

585
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: a bit of I think I had anxiety before this

586
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: had happened, because I was just so broke. I had nothing,

587
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: and I was just restressing. I I was gonna have

588
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: a heart attack, like my dad, like really panicking. I

589
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: don't know where. That was the whole thing that took

590
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: me there, and it was just too much stress and

591
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: I just you know, it was a hard time. But anyway,

592
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: that was a weird situation.

593
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: Well I'm fascinated about that. Mindset shift was really interesting

594
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: and obviously you just highlighted a few bits. It might

595
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: have been in the anxiety and you know, your dad

596
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: having a heart attack, and you you know, I sort

597
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: of not so much back then, but now I don't,

598
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't watch anything that I I do

599
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: because I says, for example, I know exactly what happened

600
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: on what day? You know, I don't watch it back

601
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: I used to, and yeah, I can sort of get.

602
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: What you mean is you don't want to hear your

603
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: own what you don't want to look at yourself. It

604
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: is a strange concept to get used to. But you know,

605
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: when you do look back at it, you go, do

606
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: you know what?

607
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was great and it is a great album,

608
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: and it's a classic album. It's you know when I

609
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: and I'm fine with it now. I think it was

610
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: just that that moment I just couldn't I couldn't hear it,

611
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: but I could play the songs live and I loved

612
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: it and it was great and people sing along. I

613
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: have no problem singing that the song's live. Just to

614
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: listen to that album is a tricky thing for me,

615
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: not anymore, Thank god, I'm fine.

616
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: When was that first moment that you you know that

617
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: you felt like I say, yeah, that you felt like

618
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: you made it. You know that you go out to

619
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: an audience, you know your album's out there, it's pumping,

620
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: you know. I suppose you don't see the increments of

621
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: the level that you jump to because you're fully immersed

622
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: in it. But when is there a moment that you

623
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: go out and you look at the crowd and you're

624
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: just like, wow, I've gone from eating moldy bread to

625
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: buying money off from my sister, to bait beans to

626
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: scraping around and then now you know, I'm singing in

627
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: front of thousands of people.

628
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: I remember very clearly. I remember doing a show in

629
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: Sydney here and every I get asked in of his

630
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: what's your favorite show? What's you get done? Big shows,

631
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: massive shows? I said, yeh, but you know what, I

632
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: go to one show and it was the first time

633
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: I played a show. He called Barb Broadway and it

634
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 2: was four hundred capacity room. Now this stage. Before that,

635
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: I had been playing sort of, you know, a couple

636
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: of shows. If I get twenty thirty people to a

637
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: show that was pretty good, I was pretty happy. We

638
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: just got the first song Feeler that got played on

639
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: Triple J, and suddenly this thing had lifted that I

640
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: hadn't noticed because I just wasn't listening to the radio guessing.

641
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: And so we came up here to do this first

642
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: leg of this too. Our first show, it's four hundred

643
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: people and I remember, yeah, give me the year.

644
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: What year is this?

645
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three? Three? And I I'm coming back

646
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: to the show, to back to the gig, and there's

647
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: this massive lineup goes around the corner right like it's

648
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: thousands of people. And I'm thinking, Ah, somebod else was

649
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: playing a gig close by, and they were going to

650
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: go see these guys, and I'll have no one. That's

651
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: what I just thought. I wasn't used to that, so

652
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: I thought we're going to miss out. Everyone was there

653
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: for me. Place was sold out, and I remember I

654
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: was just the first time I sold out a venue

655
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: like that, and the first time I heard my lyrics

656
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: being sung back to me, which is another incredible thing.

657
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: I came out and I played the last song on

658
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: the album, called a song called ten foot Talk, which

659
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: I thought, no one's going to know this. I just

660
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 2: I'll start with this and see how it goes. They

661
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: saying the words back to me, and I'm like, shit,

662
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: what's going on? This is incredible, And the band was

663
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: sort of peeping out behind the curtains at the back.

664
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: I guess they think, what is going on?

665
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: But we're not coming on. We'll leave it to you.

666
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: I was just seeing along, you know, the whole time,

667
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking I still was thinking, oh, hopefully

668
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: they'll hopefully they'll be more of that. I remember thinking

669
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: that could just be off, you know, and then but

670
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: that happened again and again and again. Suddenly it was

671
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 2: just like it just went from here to there so quickly,

672
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: playing a you know, from thirty people to suddenly five thousand,

673
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, and then fifteen thousand festivals. It was just

674
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: I was goind of just like jumping in the deep

675
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: end of the pool learning how to swim. It was

676
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: just like a real You've just got to get used

677
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: to that pretty quickly. And it took me a bit

678
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: to get used to that too.

679
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: So from two thousand and three, you know, moving forward,

680
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: that moment where you're there, does it just cascade into

681
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: into gig after gig to you know, arena to whatever

682
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: it may be, to festival to it. Because once that

683
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: ride starts, it doesn't stop, does it.

684
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: And this is a tricky thing with music, and you

685
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: see a lot of acts, a lot of bands come

686
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: through and that can have that successful song or successful

687
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: album and then they're gone. It's very hard to then, Okay,

688
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: so what do I need to do now to have

689
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: a career, and having a career is the hard thing

690
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: to make happen, especially in Australia, Like it's just this

691
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: is a smaller country. So how do you do this?

692
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: You need good songs, you know. So I just kept

693
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: had this work ethic that I just needed to write

694
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: good songs. And on the second album we had, I

695
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: keep saying week I'm talking about my when I say

696
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: my team, you know, management team and even the band.

697
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: I could consider those guys part of that. But I

698
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: wrote two songs, one called batter Days and one called Opportunity,

699
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: And we weren't getting Triple J at that stage because

700
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: it becomes sort of too commercial, you know, and on

701
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: the Triple J thing, so they sort of backed off

702
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: with that. But with those two songs, Opportunity was the

703
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: number one song most played song in Australia which included

704
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: all international songs. It was the most played song on

705
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: commercial radio, and better Days was the thirteenth. So we

706
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: just hit this success which was just massive. You know,

707
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: you couldn't go anywhere without having the first album Feeler

708
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: and the second album See the Sun just being hammered

709
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: on radio. It was everywhere for like, you know, this

710
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: kind of five year period and then for me, I

711
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: was like going back to my athletics or sporting career,

712
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: going Okay, set my goals, some small goals I want

713
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: to be. I want to end up here, So how

714
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: do I get to there? I've got to do this,

715
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: I've got to do this, got to this, And that's

716
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: how I started to really write things down and to

717
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: and to achieve the goals that I wanted to achieve.

718
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: Because if you do that, you've got focus on how

719
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: to get there. If you don't have it, the focus

720
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: is not there. It's like I want to get here,

721
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: but you know, it just doesn't work that way.

722
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: So what do you do when you've you've got two

723
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: successful albums, you're all over the radio for five ten years,

724
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: you're hitting you know these you're setting out how much

725
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: pressure is on your shoulders to perform and how do

726
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: you manage that pressure.

727
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: I've never felt the pressure for that so much. So

728
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: the live performance was always great, and I've always been

729
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: great live and.

730
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm very well now in that. You know.

731
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: That the thing what I needed was to try and

732
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: get some international six and that's the thing that became

733
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: very frustrating with being with the label on a worldwide deal.

734
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: The label didn't do anything for me overseas. It was

735
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: a yeah, so we had well we had. There was

736
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: another guy from BMG merged with Sony at one stage internationally,

737
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: and the guy was with BMG had heard from one

738
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: of his friends out here, you got to release Pete

739
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Murray ou there in Holland. So he went to the

740
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: label and said, look, can we release Petemurray over here.

741
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 2: Their attitude was, well, if you want to do it,

742
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: you can do it, but he's not a priority for us,

743
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: so they were sort of more interested in so the Beyonces,

744
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: those really big pop acts, and I required a bit

745
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: more work to try and do that, where these guys

746
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: just want to get a radio hit and that was it.

747
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: So but to the credit the guys here there had

748
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: this form of small team, the guys that liked my music,

749
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: and they worked with the label and they got me

750
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: out there and I actually became one of the big

751
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: er acts in Holland there as for a while too.

752
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: So the frustrating thing for me was why aren't you

753
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: guys releasing me in other countries? You know, I just

754
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: couldn't get out there and about America.

755
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Was that ever on the cards.

756
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: Not from Sony no, but for me. Yeah, we thought

757
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: a management team and I thought this music is more

758
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: suited for America than it is for say, UK and Europe.

759
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: But the funny thing was we had an American guy

760
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: was head of Sony for international. He said, Okay, we're

761
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: going to release you in the UK. If you can

762
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: create the UK, then we'll release you in America. And

763
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, that doesn't make sense. So kind of

764
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: we tried it, but then he lost his job three

765
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: months in and then the guys over in the UK

766
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: were like, they weren't interested. It was just kind of

767
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: the same thing that I kept coming up against. So

768
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: that was a frustrating thing for my career. So for me,

769
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: I still do stuff overseas and they've got, you know,

770
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: a good following in Holland and a couple of parts

771
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 2: of Europe and the UK. There's a decent amount. Got

772
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: to the point where we played like Bristain Academy for

773
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: like five thousand people, which that's good, you know, huge,

774
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: but that was all on my own back doing that.

775
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: So you know, big.

776
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Big crowds and their big iconic location.

777
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but the problem was back in the old

778
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: days when the label wasn't releasing me, people couldn't hear

779
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: the next album. So they got the first one, but

780
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: they couldn't hear the next one, couldn't see the videos.

781
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: It was just all total shutdown. So these are it's

782
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: very different. You know, it's worldwide now, it's open everything.

783
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: Put a video up, people see it around the world.

784
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: Put a song up, people hear it around the.

785
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: World, and then that social media sort of out, social

786
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: media boom. How did you navigate them? What did it

787
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: look like from from your from your eyes?

788
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, when that was coming in, I had a marriage

789
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: break up, which was and I just wanted to have

790
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: time out. So I kind of missed my opportunity to

791
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: really keep the that social media thing happening, make it happen,

792
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: and I just sort of took time. It was more

793
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: about sort of giving time to my boys that stage.

794
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: They were younger, so my priority was to change and

795
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: my family always comes first anyway, so I needed to

796
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: spend more time with them. We still did touring and

797
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: put some music out, but i'd sort of dropped off

798
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: a little bit. So I remember coming back in when

799
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: I got serious again and coming back that was all

800
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: up and running, and I remember thinking I've got no

801
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: followers here. Yeah, I'm behind the april. As I realized

802
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: how serious it was, you know, So for me, I

803
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I've got to get started now. And

804
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: so for the last yeah, a couple of years, I've

805
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: been sort of really focusing on building that up, and

806
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: it's coming now. I've just got new management and these

807
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 2: guys are younger, and they're all across the whole digital world,

808
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: and it's just it's moving. So where I've been in

809
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: the old school system from a long time, I think

810
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: probably coming out of that and getting into the new

811
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: world system, I just was a bit late. So it's

812
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: never late, you know what I mean. I think it's

813
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: ever late. And I've never been held back by But

814
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: I might hate either man, you know, like you just

815
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: kind of how do you nail Pete fifty five? So

816
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: for me, I don't put a barrier on my age

817
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: or what I do, you know, so whatever I want

818
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: to try.

819
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: I'll even proved for that. Look at the you know,

820
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: thirty years old, people would have written you off straight

821
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: away and then boom, you know, you've been been in

822
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: the industry now twenty five years, still going strong, still

823
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: so selling out, selling out your gigs. So yeah, whatever

824
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: you're doing, mate, you do it. You're doing you're doing

825
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: something right.

826
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: It's only the physical, the physical body that struggles a

827
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: bit now, mate. Like like we saw on the SA show,

828
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: that was that was a tough time. I I was

829
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: so excited to come on that show and I went

830
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: in with the attitude in the mindset of being a

831
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: soldier just going there.

832
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: You just do that's that's the only way you're going

833
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: to make it through.

834
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: And I remember the first thing that you got that

835
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: you said very clearly, you said, if you listen to us,

836
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: you'll finish. And I remember, okay, good point. Take and

837
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: listen to everything that you guys tell us, and we'll

838
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: get through. Don't argue, don't wing, you don't complain, and

839
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, get to the end. You know. I was

840
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: just I was it was excited, but I was very

841
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: worried about my knee. I thought my knee would let

842
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: me down. He kind of was hanging in there for

843
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: but it got pretty sore. I had to do that

844
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: thing where we've had the doing the squats with the

845
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: over your head. Yeah, Fox. He is like, You've got

846
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: to go down ninety degrees and I'm thinking, I'm thinking,

847
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: oh shit, I can't do that, but I had to

848
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: do it. If I don't do this, I'm going to

849
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: get caned.

850
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: So I just know where to hide.

851
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: So it was like, yeah, it was. It was a

852
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: challenging thing.

853
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: But Pete, you said something earlier. You said that you

854
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: always your family came how comes first? Do you feel

855
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: like that that's always been the way, or if you're

856
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: honest with yourself, did the job come first?

857
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: I know when the kids were there, I was getting

858
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: looking after those guys whenever I can. It was a

859
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: challenging time because you have to balance both and that's

860
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: the thing, and you would notice too much.

861
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: You have to prize, contest.

862
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: And some things you've got to do. But you know

863
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: you can't let that go because you'll just drop off

864
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: and then you'll disappear.

865
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: And I suppose it's that it's that line between sacrifice.

866
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: You know how much you're willing to sacrifice not to

867
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 1: drop off that line. And that's why I talk about

868
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: the pressures of of doing that, because you know it

869
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: can interfere with you. You know you've got kids, And it's

870
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: the same with me in the military. I always said

871
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: that I prior tide my family, and my family comes

872
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: first at the moment the military and who wants to

873
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: go to Afghanistan? I'm like, and I'm volunteering for this year, right,

874
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: And then you're thinking to yourself, Well, and I know

875
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: the family at home. I know they say, we've got

876
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: roof over the head, they've got money, you know, they've

877
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: got food and on the table. But then I look

878
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: back and I.

879
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: Go, you know, situations, because you're calling that, well, you've

880
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: got to provide for them. Yeah, that's what you've got

881
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: to do. And that's your job, you know. So and

882
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: if you don't go, what's the military going to say?

883
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: Ye are you're doing? You know?

884
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: So it's the same with you. So if you don't,

885
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're not doing these like well,

886
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: why aren't you listen? Where's your fans? You know, that's

887
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: made you who you are. That's that's a different type

888
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: of family, isn't it.

889
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: But I can I can look back and even I

890
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: had a check to my son whose name is Charlie.

891
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: He's twenty one now, and we're talking about I said,

892
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, one thing that I made. This whole journey

893
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: of doing music was all about lifestyle. One thing was

894
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: to have time with my kids that my dad didn't

895
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: have and to have earn to give me time basically,

896
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: to have a job that wouldarnt enough money that I

897
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: could have time with my kids and give me the

898
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: time off. And that was what this was. So and

899
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: I said to Charlie that they I have no regrets

900
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: because I've been there for everything that they've done and

901
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: resported pretty much every sporting event, things that they've done,

902
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: the whole time given them. And he said, you know what, Dad,

903
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't know any other dad that's been there as

904
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: much as you have for their kids. And I remember

905
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: thinking feeling, Yeah, done the right thing, and I have

906
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 2: no regrets. If I had to die tomorrow, then I've

907
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: just I've had a great time because I've made that happen.

908
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: And when I went through the divorce, they came first,

909
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: and that's when I went right, this is a really

910
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: tough time for these guys. That's no longer my priority.

911
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: I'll do what I need to do and I'll keep

912
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: things going, but that's I'm with the kids. And so

913
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: I've just organized my tours as best I could around

914
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: around these boys, you know, and do.

915
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: You think, you know, having that family foundation throughout your career,

916
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: was there ever ever a moment that you could have

917
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: fallen into that sort of rock and roll lifestyle or

918
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: you always just like listen, what I've got a job

919
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: to do, and this.

920
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: Is no I look, you lay that fun at certain times,

921
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, and I little head down occasionally, but it's

922
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: I I've never had I don't have an addictive personality. Yeah,

923
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: so I don't have the desire to get caught on something.

924
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the guys to do because they're

925
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: the ones to get caught. I think in the eighties

926
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: that whole drug scene and you know, really alcohol was

927
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: like full on. That's changed a lot now. I've always

928
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: been in the fitness because one because my dad died

929
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: when I was eighteen. He died young. So I want

930
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: to keep fit. I want to eat well, and you know,

931
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: I just I like feeling good, you know, I don't

932
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: like feeling unhealthy and unwell.

933
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: So it's never a temptation. It was it was like,

934
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: you're quite disciplined anyway from your sports in the background, and.

935
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm driven to to have success, mate, that's what I want.

936
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: You don't want to keep doing this? Now on Fire

937
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: five now and I'm still going and we've just got

938
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: I'm doing my longest tour i've done. It's sixty dates

939
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: if you include the four in New Zealand, so sixty

940
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: days in total. I've done about thirty four so far.

941
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: So for me, that's pretty massive. And we're pretty much

942
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: selling out most shows.

943
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: And how does that look? So you'll you're literally doing it.

944
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: You're doing what two three gigs back to back. Then

945
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: you're having a day off and before.

946
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come home Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, then

947
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: go again. Wow. And you've been doing that for oh

948
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: since May, early May and from September. Yeah, it's a

949
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: long time mate.

950
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm tough that you've given us the time to come

951
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: into the studio and.

952
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: It's been good. I've been enjoying this whole solo gig.

953
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: You know. It's just like I said, you didn't tell

954
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: the stories like to you now talking about when you

955
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: look back and when I sort of started planning so out,

956
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: like what we talk about, what's this, what's this about?

957
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: What's the purpose of this tour and people getting so

958
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: much out of the stories like how this happened, And

959
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: for me it was like I said, I'd say, I'll

960
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: ask you, is it luck or fate? What do you think?

961
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: You know? For me, I believe it's fake and I'm lucky.

962
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: I found my destiny and what I'm supposed to do,

963
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: you know. So that's the thing that we look back at.

964
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: All these things have happened over the time. You can't

965
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: deny that's how it's worked out.

966
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: Quickly before we finish off going back to sas Australia,

967
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: when did you get that call? And what was going

968
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: through your head? Because it's one of those and it's

969
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: like I know so many and I know the strongest

970
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: of you're not saying that you're not that I've gone

971
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: got the call and they're.

972
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Like, oh I was. I was excited. I got the call.

973
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: Only three weeks out. I got a late call. Someone

974
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: pulled out, someone injured themselves and I got the call

975
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: so and I was like, shit, this is like wow, yeah,

976
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: I want to do this because of the excitement of

977
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: what okay.

978
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: And from your sporting background, I didn't know it.

979
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: For me, how fuck can I go? And that was

980
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: a bit kind of at first. I remember saying on

981
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: the on the we were doing the video, you probably

982
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: saw this too, and I meant the video and I

983
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: remember they're going, hey, what are you going to talk about?

984
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: How you're going to get to the end of At

985
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: one point there I went, you know, I'm probably not

986
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: gonna make this. Hey, I just my knee was this doubt.

987
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: And then that just kind of got me and went,

988
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm probably not gonna make it because that's gonna blow up.

989
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: And I had that fear in my head. But I

990
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: was so excited to be part of it and to

991
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: and to do these things. And there's one story I

992
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: tell my mates, and it wasn't I thought this would

993
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: be a great story for the TV, and I thought

994
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: they'd put it on there for sure. But I remember

995
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: in the car we went we submerged under the car.

996
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: I remember sitting there and you know, Fox he was

997
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: had to touch us before we could get out, and

998
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: I think I made the mistake of not looking. They

999
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: said look out. They when to look for me, and

1000
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: I see him in the court of my eye, but

1001
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: I was like, just yep, I could see him and

1002
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: he and he went to touch me. And I and

1003
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: I did this and he pulled his arm. I saw

1004
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: he pull his arm back, and I went, shit, I'm

1005
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: going to fail if I do this now. So I

1006
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: went back and grabbed the wheel and sat there. And

1007
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't know whether he just did this on purpose,

1008
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: but he made me sit there for a long time.

1009
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: I think I was like for about a minute or so, mate,

1010
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking I'm not moving, I've just sat there,

1011
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: and until he came back, I'm thinking, you got to

1012
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: touch me soon. I'm almost out. I'm almost out of air.

1013
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: And then the last body sort of tapped me in.

1014
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: I was I was almost gone. By the time I

1015
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: un clicked this and went out the back, I swallowed

1016
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: water at the surface. I was out of out. And

1017
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: that for me was like, I was a really proud moment.

1018
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: I was telling my kids and said, you got to

1019
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: watch this, guys. This is a really proud man for me.

1020
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: I just hanging in there and and don't you know,

1021
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: don't let your fears get ahead of you. But that

1022
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: was the time I was thinking, come on, Foxy, please

1023
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: touch me that because I was almost going on.

1024
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: I think there's a revisit here for says Australia. I

1025
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: think there's a revisit mate, But let's sen a final

1026
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: question for you. You re recorded your your hit song

1027
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: better Days. Why did you do that?

1028
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, what people don't know is the deal I

1029
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: did with the record They owned the masters, so which

1030
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: is the recordings of those of those songs? Now people

1031
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: probably know what Taylor Swift did. Taylor re recorded her

1032
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: masters against so that she could own them, because what

1033
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: happened is the label had sold her masters to someone else.

1034
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: So I don't own them, I don't control them. I

1035
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: don't know where they're going to go, whether you know.

1036
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't earn much money from them though. That's the

1037
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: other thing, and that's the biggest thing I thought. Okay

1038
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: for me, I believe all artists should own their masters.

1039
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: Even if you do a record deal, at some stage

1040
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: you should own the master should come back to you.

1041
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: And even I'm probably one of the very few artists

1042
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: that has actually paid the label off. So out of

1043
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: the small percentage that I earn, which is very small,

1044
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: that goes towards paying off the debt, it's kind of

1045
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: set up in a way that you don't ever pay

1046
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: it off. I managed to pay it off somehow, So

1047
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: you know, for me, I went to the label. We

1048
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: had success with Feeler. So I remember getting a first

1049
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: RAWT dey payment, which was good, but it wasn't enough

1050
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: to retire on it. I was like it was decent.

1051
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: Then I remember eighteen years later I got the next

1052
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: the next paycheck for three thousand dollars, and I remember thinking,

1053
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: this is not right. You know, I've paid this back,

1054
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: but it's illegal deal. I can't ever own it. That's me,

1055
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: that's I won't ever own it. So I thought the

1056
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: best way I can do is do what Taylor's done.

1057
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, even before Taylor did it, that's

1058
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: the first thing I wanted to do is record. We

1059
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: record my song so I would own them and they

1060
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: could then earn Me and my family are living by

1061
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: that song because that's a big song. It's like even

1062
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: on it's in the urban dictory now, like people feeling

1063
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: when they're hungover, they say, I'm feeling bit Pete Murray,

1064
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: Like it's a big song people sing this song is

1065
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: like even the younger kids know it's it's a big one.

1066
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: And all the younger generations are coming through now with

1067
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: all these songs. So for me. I want to give

1068
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: them my versions of these songs because those other ones

1069
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't own them. I don't really care about them,

1070
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, that's someone else owns them. These are mine.

1071
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: So and everyone's so supportive of the artists now when

1072
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: you do this, and I'm the first artist in Australia

1073
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: that's doing it, and hopefully I can inspire more people

1074
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: in this country to do it as well, because I

1075
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Speaker 2: think it's a royalty that we should have for the

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Speaker 2: rest of our life. They should come to us rather

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Speaker 2: than nothing.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Pete, You're on tour right now, finishes in September.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do after that?

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Speaker 2: Well, my wife has given me very clear and structures

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Speaker 2: not to do very much. Needs some time at home.

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Speaker 2: It's been really hard for her. She's got the two

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Speaker 2: young girls and it's really stressful. So it's a hard

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Speaker 2: thing going away as you know that you're here too, mate,

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Speaker 2: we both did a similar thing. So you're leaving them

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Speaker 2: and they're dealing with the kids and we're off doing

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Speaker 2: our thing and it's still work. But we get the

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Speaker 2: We love what we do, you know. So there's a

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Speaker 2: few We've got a new album coming out in October,

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Speaker 2: So that's one thing where we're releasing that, and there'll

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Speaker 2: be a couple more shows around October and then over

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Speaker 2: Christmas that will promote that album, and that'll be next

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Speaker 2: year pretty much. I'm laying low for the whole year

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Speaker 2: because we've done a lot of shows now and a

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Speaker 2: lot of work, So lay low and just keep putting

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Speaker 2: out the old catalog of mine. Pete's versions. You know,

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Speaker 2: they'll be hot all coming out next year. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that's the plans to keep pumping them up.

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Speaker 1: Love it mate, and some world deserved family time. We'll listen. Pete,

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Speaker 1: thanks for giving your time up. Pleasure to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, and think about Says revisit.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man. Well, I'll see you on Says you Know

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Speaker 2: number version ten.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Pete's new single I Am Fire and

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Speaker 1: his newly re recorded version of Better Days are out

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Speaker 1: now and his national tour is still going. Head to

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Speaker 1: Pete Murray dot com for details. Thanks for joining me

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Speaker 1: on this episode of head Game. If you enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 1: please share it with a friend. I'm at Middleton. See

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Speaker 1: you again next time.