Speaker 1: From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Darland, thank you so much for watching tonight.
Speaker 1: We have got a lot of telling to fit into
Speaker 1: the next hour, so let's not muck around. It was
Speaker 1: the best part of three almost four months ago since
Speaker 1: the final report was handed down by the Royal Commission
Speaker 1: into the causes and the systems around members of the
Speaker 1: Australian Defense Force, both currently serving and former serving, and
Speaker 1: the shocking numbers that have taken their own lives. Now
Speaker 1: on this show, we've talked about it for years. We
Speaker 1: have literally sat down with the mothers. We have called
Speaker 1: for and championed the Royal Commission. We're followed every single
Speaker 1: part of this, so today was a very big day.
Speaker 1: Today was the official response of the government to the
Speaker 1: more than one hundred and twenty recommendations that Nick Callis,
Speaker 1: the former Deputy Commissioner of Police in New South Wales,
Speaker 1: made in a very lengthy, very detailed and very honest
Speaker 1: account of a system that Australians see as a national shame,
Speaker 1: something that must and had to change now. The Prime
Speaker 1: Minister spoke back in September about his response. When the
Speaker 1: report was first handed to the government.
Speaker 2: And this is where the government will thoroughly consider every recommendation.
Speaker 2: We will to work across the Parliament on these issues
Speaker 2: and do what we can to ensure that just as
Speaker 2: our veterans and defense personnel step up for our country,
Speaker 2: we have an obligation to step up for them.
Speaker 1: So the formal response to the report, which was released
Speaker 1: in September, has now been released. If you brush across
Speaker 1: across much of the media coverage, it will say that
Speaker 1: the government has accepted most of, if not all, of
Speaker 1: the recommendations. Recommendations that we've talked about in the past
Speaker 1: that make common sense suggestions such chat making sure that
Speaker 1: families don't have to move around too much, making sure
Speaker 1: that the emotional intelligence of people is considered before they
Speaker 1: are promoted, That constant surveys should be done of the
Speaker 1: membership of the Defense Force, about the leadership in the
Speaker 1: Defense Force, and if there's a golf between where the
Speaker 1: men and women of the ADFR and their leaders, well
Speaker 1: then the leaders should change. There's also a whole series
Speaker 1: of recommendations in and around brain trauma, the keeping of
Speaker 1: data so that we actually have an honest account of
Speaker 1: the number of people that have taken their own lives
Speaker 1: and some pretty confronting stuff about the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 1: But as always, the devil is in the detail. The
Speaker 1: reason that I said last night in great detail. But
Speaker 1: because it's a weekend, you may have missed it. You
Speaker 1: need to watch this show every single night until the
Speaker 1: Christmas break, because the assumption of the government is that
Speaker 1: people are now starting to not pay attention, meaning that
Speaker 1: the news stories which came out today because most people
Speaker 1: didn't read the original report. Most people didn't read how
Speaker 1: many of the recommendations were put forward, and most people
Speaker 1: have not followed through on the detail of how many
Speaker 1: of the recommendations are going to lead to changes versus
Speaker 1: just nodding in the direction of the report. You've got
Speaker 1: to watch us now. They hope that you're going to
Speaker 1: be distracted by whatever big bash game is on or
Speaker 1: cricket that I think starts up again later in the
Speaker 1: week at the tests. But do me a favor, Please
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Speaker 1: when you can get on with the preparations for that
Speaker 1: beautiful time of year that we are in right now,
Speaker 1: of parties, presence, and time with family and friends. A
Speaker 1: perfect example of that is that this announcement happened today. Now. Parliament,
Speaker 1: of course, was around for the last two weeks. If
Speaker 1: anything was truly urgent and the government was able to
Speaker 1: get a vote through the Parliament, they would have been
Speaker 1: able to do so in the last two weeks. But
Speaker 1: instead there's no guarantee that the parliament will resume before
Speaker 1: the next election, meaning that if anything requires legislation or
Speaker 1: a vote in the Parliament, that will not happen until
Speaker 1: potentially after the next federal election, one where this government
Speaker 1: could lose its majority and left wing people like the
Speaker 1: Greens or particularly the Victorian Teals might be the ones
Speaker 1: that are actually going to prop up that government. In
Speaker 1: a minority situation, there of course could be a completely
Speaker 1: different minority government, but we will know why. That is
Speaker 1: the lesser of two most likely outcomes going into the election. No,
Speaker 1: we had to wait till today to the official first
Speaker 1: working day after the start of summer and the beginning
Speaker 1: of the wine down period for most people when it
Speaker 1: comes to p polytical news because guess what, they are
Speaker 1: not implementing everything that is in this report. In fact,
Speaker 1: I can break this down for you nice and easy.
Speaker 1: There's one hundred and twenty two recommendations which Nick Caldice
Speaker 1: and the Commission made. The government has agreed to eighty
Speaker 1: five of them. Yes, that is a majority. But they've
Speaker 1: also found ways to say they agree with the report,
Speaker 1: but that I promised to do anything in the report,
Speaker 1: such as agrees in principle with nineteen of the suggestions.
Speaker 1: There's a step down from this where they just note
Speaker 1: what's in the report seventeen times now frankly agreed in
Speaker 1: principle and noted. Feel like the too hard basket of
Speaker 1: the response to this one, which was a change to
Speaker 1: some of the pension schemes, has been just outright rejected
Speaker 1: for what reason. Of course, we didn't get into that today.
Speaker 1: In fairness to the Prime Minister, yes, I'm a hard
Speaker 1: marker on and I hope his time in office is
Speaker 1: as short as possible and to his Deputy and Defensive minis.
Speaker 1: This is what they said today when most people were
Speaker 1: just stenographers for what they were saying about the report,
Speaker 1: rather than actually looking at the details of the report
Speaker 1: or what they are putting in the two hard basket
Speaker 1: in the recommendations.
Speaker 2: My government willis Sabsherne Defense and Veterans Services Commission to
Speaker 2: undertake the most comprehensive reform to the culture, systems and
Speaker 2: processes across Defense, the ADF and the Department of Veterans
Speaker 2: Affairs to prevent suicide and improve the mental health and
Speaker 2: wellbeing of service personnel and veterans.
Speaker 3: The heart of the Royal Commission's report and the government's
Speaker 3: response to it is that Defense's greatest asset is its
Speaker 3: people and we need to look after them.
Speaker 1: So again, let's go back right if you here read
Speaker 1: or anything anywhere. Oh, most of it they're going to
Speaker 1: put in place, yes, okay, eighty five of one D
Speaker 1: and twenty two they are going to promise to act on,
Speaker 1: meaning it will change. The two hard basket has nineteen
Speaker 1: of the agreed in principles and seventeen of the government
Speaker 1: has noted. So let's have a look in the too
Speaker 1: hard basket. Which of these do you think should be
Speaker 1: acted upon versus just agreed to in principle or noted.
Speaker 1: Here's some that stood out for me. Recommendation sixty one
Speaker 1: is that they should establish a brain injury program. Why
Speaker 1: because people who significantly are affected by concussion while serving
Speaker 1: for the country may well later in life end up
Speaker 1: developing the same type of diseases, which we know can
Speaker 1: lead to an awful lot of noise mental health issues
Speaker 1: and yes, some people choosing to win their own life.
Speaker 1: That is simply just agreed in principle. No promise to act.
Speaker 1: Recommendation seventy eight to prevent, minimize, and treat moral injury
Speaker 1: again recognized, but no plan to act Recommendation eighty the
Speaker 1: DVA to take responsibility for supporting members transition out of
Speaker 1: the ADF. Now, the DVAS a complicated, difficult organization, one
Speaker 1: that I believe should be completely scrapped and start again.
Speaker 1: While they do well for many people of previous wars,
Speaker 1: they do pretty poorly for more modern people that have
Speaker 1: more people who service is a little closer to today
Speaker 1: than decades ago, and people as they transition out of
Speaker 1: the ADF into quote unquote normal society. This is where
Speaker 1: people are falling out of the system. When they fall
Speaker 1: out of the system, they get themselves in a world
Speaker 1: of trouble and some of those people. How has that
Speaker 1: not been agreed to by the government. How has it
Speaker 1: just agreed in principle? Again, this is the too hard basket.
Speaker 1: Whether I'm reading from here. Eighty one the DEVA to
Speaker 1: fund a program to support members well being during the
Speaker 1: transition to civilian life. Oh yeah, they recognize it, they
Speaker 1: agree in principle, but no plan to actually make that happen.
Speaker 1: Recommendation eighty three c to fill the gap between defense
Speaker 1: and civilian training. This is huge. Again, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: agreeing in principle. I would be agreeing and promising to do.
Speaker 1: Recommendation eighty seven to establish a new agency to focus
Speaker 1: on veteran well being. Well, they say there's going to
Speaker 1: be a new agency, but it's not going to be
Speaker 1: focused on veteran well being. It's going to be focused
Speaker 1: on some of the implementation of the eighty five of
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty two things that are not
Speaker 1: in the too hard basket. While clearly the best part
Speaker 1: of almost forty sit currently in that too hard basket.
Speaker 1: Recommendation ninety B to expand mental health support to all
Speaker 1: reserve personnel. It's agreed in principle, but no promise for action.
Speaker 1: These are the reasons why the Royal Commission was called
Speaker 1: in the first place. These are examples of dozens and
Speaker 1: then hundreds and then thousands of people who end up
Speaker 1: not having the support that they deserve after serving our country.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of detail here, but I know you
Speaker 1: can handle it, and I want to follow the bouncing
Speaker 1: ball out of respect for the people who serve our country. Again,
Speaker 1: Recommendation number ninety eight is in the agreed in principle,
Speaker 1: the too hard basket to strengthen the DVA performance targets.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't that be agreed to Recommendation one hundred to
Speaker 1: improve the transparency, accountability and effectiveness of the Department of
Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs. That would get a triple tick from me,
Speaker 1: But for some reason it is just agreed in principle,
Speaker 1: no plan for action when it comes to this Prime
Speaker 1: Minister at this Defense Minister and one hundred and six
Speaker 1: establish a suicide database for serving and ex serving members.
Speaker 1: Why is that anywhere other than absolutely agreed to underline
Speaker 1: in reading one of the first things that they could
Speaker 1: take place so we know how many people are taking
Speaker 1: their own lives who have served this country even for
Speaker 1: a day. I find this outrageous in particular, but no
Speaker 1: giant surprise. Now again, I understand how big, I understand
Speaker 1: how complicated, I understand how costly. But let's be very clear.
Speaker 1: The men and women who defend this country, who at
Speaker 1: a moment's notice could be sent to the other side
Speaker 1: of the world or have to deal with something in
Speaker 1: this country, are like the members of our emergency services,
Speaker 1: be they volunteer or professional, are the best of us.
Speaker 1: These are people who run towards trouble when the rest
Speaker 1: of us are running the other way. These are the
Speaker 1: people who are willing to defend every right we have
Speaker 1: in this country. Yet the government and the political leadership
Speaker 1: of this government the talk the talk, are not going
Speaker 1: to walk the walk. Even worse than the agreed to
Speaker 1: in principle is just noted. If there is any doubt whatsoever,
Speaker 1: this is the official list of the two hard basket.
Speaker 1: Of those there are the best part of nineteen of
Speaker 1: those that have now made out into the noted Sorry
Speaker 1: seventeen that have made it into the noted basket. He's
Speaker 1: just some. I won't read them more, but I'm fixator
Speaker 1: on the detail because the detail is what matters, and
Speaker 1: what matters is everything. To make sure that men and
Speaker 1: women who defend this country do not take their own life,
Speaker 1: Recommendation one of the of the Royal Commission has been
Speaker 1: just put in as noted, the number one recommendation of
Speaker 1: the Royal Commission is being ignored. To improve the capacity
Speaker 1: of future roy Commissions to undertake their inquiries, noted Recommendation
Speaker 1: forty two to ensure that future Inspector Generals of the
Speaker 1: ADF have not served in the ADFI E an outsider
Speaker 1: can come in to see what the problems are and
Speaker 1: they are not affected by the culture of the ADF
Speaker 1: or the slippery pole that many people in the public
Speaker 1: service parts of the ADF climb like politicians. Noted Recommendation
Speaker 1: eighty eight to develop a national funding agreement for Veterans
Speaker 1: well being. It's not even agreed in principle, it's not
Speaker 1: agreed to, it's just noted. Recommendation one hundred and one
Speaker 1: a to enable veterans to choose their rehabilitation provider and
Speaker 1: to self manage their budget for approved household assistance in
Speaker 1: an opt in basis. Put simply, if you want an
Speaker 1: NDIS style system for you and your rehabilitation, that should
Speaker 1: be made available to you. It is just noted by
Speaker 1: this government. It won't happen. Recommendation one hundred and eleven
Speaker 1: to achieve gold standard rating for defense data sets related
Speaker 1: to suicidality, people who make commit suicide or people who
Speaker 1: do It's just noted one hundred and thirteen to ensure
Speaker 1: commanding officers access and use quality data for continuous improvement
Speaker 1: of well being metrics noted couple more one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen eight to continue the existing census question for the
Speaker 1: ADF Service in the next and future censuses. Why is
Speaker 1: this not agreed to? Why is this just noted? Why
Speaker 1: is this your service? And whether you have and when
Speaker 1: you didn't for how long? In the too hard basket?
Speaker 1: Recommendation one hundred and twenty to increase funding and research
Speaker 1: into veteran health and well being? How is this not
Speaker 1: agreed to? Let alone agreed in principle, it's just noted,
Speaker 1: And finally, enable research into the health and well being
Speaker 1: of defense families. Noted they talk a big game. When
Speaker 1: the Royal Commission is called, they say they can't possibly
Speaker 1: have an opinion because the Royal Commission is playing itself out.
Speaker 1: They wait from September to December to respond to the
Speaker 1: Royal Commission, of which of one hundred and twenty two
Speaker 1: eighty five they say yes, nineteen they say kinder, and
Speaker 1: seventeen they say noted. One they say no. They're not
Speaker 1: going to do presumably because it costs too much money.
Speaker 1: The shadow Defense Minister is Andrew Hasty. He is a
Speaker 1: hope of the side. He is a man who you
Speaker 1: would hope would implement all of these recommendations. I hope
Speaker 1: he gets the chance to do so sooner rather than later,
Speaker 1: but we'll have to wait for an election for that
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 4: I think it comes down to political leadership and is
Speaker 4: up to the Albanesi government to demonstrate they can lead.
Speaker 4: So far, I think they failed to lead the defense
Speaker 4: force wells. We do want to work with the government
Speaker 4: on a bipartisan basis to deliver for our defense and
Speaker 4: veteran community.
Speaker 1: Now I guarantee in a couple of days time, what
Speaker 1: seems like universal praise for the government's response is going
Speaker 1: to start to fracture, or at least we're starting to
Speaker 1: see or we will start to see what I think
Speaker 1: is the gradience of response, the things that are in
Speaker 1: the too hard basket, all the to do list, or
Speaker 1: somewhere in between. As the days roll on, I'll pay
Speaker 1: attention to the response. I'll pay attention to the advocacy groups.
Speaker 1: I'll pay attention to the mums who called for this
Speaker 1: Royal Commission. I'll report back to you on how they feel.
Speaker 1: And I've got a feeling eventually it's going to be
Speaker 1: the way that I feel, and hopefully you do tonight
Speaker 1: about a government that yes, has taken on the majority good,
Speaker 1: but too many things are too vague in an area
Speaker 1: that must improve. I believe the Royal Commission did fabulous work.
Speaker 1: I believe most, if not all, of its recommendations should
Speaker 1: be in place. As for the other issues that are
Speaker 1: worth dealing with as we move our way in towards
Speaker 1: the full summer period. It's about the number of people
Speaker 1: who have been brought into the country under this Prime
Speaker 1: Minister and nowhere for them to live. It's just simple maths.
Speaker 1: If you bring it as many people to the country
Speaker 1: as they have since they first formed government, which is
Speaker 1: now a million people. Then you need to have a
Speaker 1: million places for them to be able to live somewhere.
Speaker 1: But as you know, there's not enough rental properties for
Speaker 1: the people before we brought in a million, there's not
Speaker 1: enough units to buy before we brought in a million,
Speaker 1: and there's definitely not enough freestanding homes before we brought
Speaker 1: in a million. Again, their migration number under labor is
Speaker 1: one million, one five hundred and sixty nine. Our source
Speaker 1: the far right wing Australian Bureau of Statistics. As I
Speaker 1: often talk about, we try to give you the data
Speaker 1: to build the bricks of an argument, and the opinion
Speaker 1: that I will add to it is the mortar that
Speaker 1: will hold it together. But I need you to see
Speaker 1: that data that when you say a million people and
Speaker 1: somebody says that's not true, the source ain't me. The
Speaker 1: source is the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Okay, the total
Speaker 1: number of new homes and units that have been approved
Speaker 1: in the same period of time is somewhere between two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three. But according to my numbers that
Speaker 1: we revised just before we came on here is four
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two thousand, eight hundred and twenty one.
Speaker 1: Now I am no genius, that is obvious. I am
Speaker 1: just a blog trying to work my way through the
Speaker 1: news like everyone else does. And my math's not fabulous.
Speaker 1: But if you've added a million, one thousand, five hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty nine people in the same period of time
Speaker 1: that you have only approved four hundred and thirty two thousand,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and twenty one places for people to live,
Speaker 1: and I'm including social housing. Now, social housing, of course,
Speaker 1: already has a wait list of tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: people in each state. So this is the best version
Speaker 1: of the numbers, some quick editing by a team, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Four hundred and thirty two thousand, eight
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one compared to one million, one thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty nine people that are brought into
Speaker 1: the country. There is a problem those of us who
Speaker 1: say we need to pump the b on the number
Speaker 1: of people that are coming in until the infrastructure can
Speaker 1: match the current population, let alone future populations. That is
Speaker 1: an issue which must and should be front and center
Speaker 1: in a national political discussion, and going into the election,
Speaker 1: you must mark harshly. A government that has presided over
Speaker 1: this system, because this is the system of their making.
Speaker 1: They control the numbers. They can pretend that it's about
Speaker 1: universities that are fiddling the books or someone finding a
Speaker 1: side door. You have to issue a visa. The visa
Speaker 1: is coming through the Department of Immigration. The people are
Speaker 1: checked by the Australian Border Force when they come into
Speaker 1: the country. So it is the federal government who has decided,
Speaker 1: in order to cook the books of the budget, we've
Speaker 1: got to keep the tax rates as high as possible
Speaker 1: while the spending is even higher than that deficits forward
Speaker 1: for the next forty years. That's why they bring in
Speaker 1: Aminian people. But despite the fact that it's your kids
Speaker 1: and grandkids inability to buy a house, your kids and
Speaker 1: grandkids inability to rent a house, or maybe even your
Speaker 1: inability to rent a house, they don't care no matter
Speaker 1: what they say. Perfect example, by the way, about the
Speaker 1: supercharging in population and the problem of where the hell
Speaker 1: are they going to live? The new Civils Planning Department
Speaker 1: released some numbers unrelated to the conversation and the data
Speaker 1: that I'm showing you here. But the data in and
Speaker 1: of itself is worth having a look at. Reading from
Speaker 1: the article that wrote about it in the Channel nine newspapers,
Speaker 1: Greater Sydney will have six point seven million people by
Speaker 1: twenty forty one. That's about a one point one million
Speaker 1: more people than currently live in the biggest city in
Speaker 1: the country. The current population of usipiles eight point five million.
Speaker 1: It will go up to more than ten million by
Speaker 1: the twenty forties. Where we are what fifteen years away
Speaker 1: from the twenty forties, which will be the first fifteen
Speaker 1: years of forty years until twenty six of budget deficits.
Speaker 1: To make it nice and clear in picture form for
Speaker 1: even government backbenches to understand. The population keeps growing and
Speaker 1: it will dramatically keep growing according to the estimates of
Speaker 1: the Nisopwhals Department of Planning. But have a look at
Speaker 1: where people are going to live and the extreme differences
Speaker 1: in the different parts of Sydney and how they are
Speaker 1: going to grow. The area of the green and the
Speaker 1: Blue that is going to be racing well, of course,
Speaker 1: that is western Sydney where you can see the populations
Speaker 1: have gone from the twenty twenties where we are right now,
Speaker 1: all the way through to the twenty forties. They will
Speaker 1: be double trebling even in the size, but places like
Speaker 1: Mossman will stay exactly the same as it is. With
Speaker 1: no disrespect to everyone is watching us in that beautiful
Speaker 1: part of Sydney. It does vote Teel and that's because
Speaker 1: just like everything else, the expectation is every where else
Speaker 1: has to wear the cost of Big Australia or renewable
Speaker 1: energy changes. Nothing to see here, of course, is the
Speaker 1: way that this game works. But if you live in
Speaker 1: the areas of Sydney that has lower housing prices than
Speaker 1: the areas that have no change coming in the next
Speaker 1: twenty something years, it's not like those higher valued areas,
Speaker 1: let alone throwing twenty four hour airport noise in Western Sydney.
Speaker 1: And there's going to be quite a crisis coming our way.
Speaker 1: And everyone will say it's a crisis when it comes.
Speaker 1: But very rarely do you have somebody saying it's a
Speaker 1: crisis before it even happens. That's what I'm saying to
Speaker 1: you right now tonight. Now again, forget about our bow
Speaker 1: and interest rates, because too often people in my position,
Speaker 1: with access to cameras and microphones, they talk about it
Speaker 1: in a political context. Well, the reality for Australians is
Speaker 1: that interest rates. As I've said for a long period
Speaker 1: of time. Now, ever since y this government came to power,
Speaker 1: there have been twelve interest rate rises. Interestrate python is
Speaker 1: so tight around about a third, maybe even a half
Speaker 1: of the country right now is rabina purple. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if the twelve becomes eleven. And somebody sent
Speaker 1: me an email the other day saying I'm against interesstrate falls.
Speaker 1: I'd love there to be eleven of them. They're not
Speaker 1: going to happen, though, Why because this government is fiddling
Speaker 1: with the inflation numbers, which means the Reserve Bank doesn't
Speaker 1: know what data they're actually dealing with, which is why
Speaker 1: we are where we are. But all of this costs money.
Speaker 1: It costs real people, real money. And according to real
Speaker 1: estate dot com that are You today, Aussie homeowners may
Speaker 1: have to spend an extra one hundred thousand dollars on
Speaker 1: the average mortgage as a result of the interest rate
Speaker 1: hikes since this government came to power. The new research
Speaker 1: by money dot com that are You revealed that mortgages mortgagees,
Speaker 1: we'll have to pay an extra three and a half
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a year on their home loan after
Speaker 1: the typical variable interest rate rose from six to six
Speaker 1: point twenty seven. So remember this increase of three and
Speaker 1: a half thousand is on top of numbers that are
Speaker 1: way higher, meaning the average is about I think it's
Speaker 1: about twenty thousand dollars that they had to fined since
Speaker 1: this bloke came to power with a typical thirty year mortgage.
Speaker 1: This means an extra one hundred and seven thousand dollars
Speaker 1: over the life of a mortgage. Where does it come from, Well,
Speaker 1: of course it comes from so called discretionary spending. And
Speaker 1: while it's great that you'll be able to hold the
Speaker 1: roof over your head for another month, another six months,
Speaker 1: another year, we have a problem in this country that,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that many people might be taking out
Speaker 1: mortgages in their thirties or even their forties, the capacity
Speaker 1: for them to maintain their current level of income all
Speaker 1: the way to when it's paid off in their fifties
Speaker 1: or sixties becomes a major problem, meaning that yes, once
Speaker 1: eventually they play some sort of property caplunk, there may
Speaker 1: be a few hundred thousand dollars it falls over, but
Speaker 1: it's not even enough for a deposit on another place,
Speaker 1: because no one will give you a loan, meaning that's
Speaker 1: the amount of money you've got for the rental market,
Speaker 1: where of course you are competing with not just everyone
Speaker 1: who's already in the market, but in thirty years time,
Speaker 1: millions more people competing in the same rental market. But
Speaker 1: it's okay. Some of us have got an investment property
Speaker 1: to flog off, or maybe a few so you don't
Speaker 1: even notice. But the Prime Minister who over the weekend
Speaker 1: sold one of his for one point seventy five million dollars,
Speaker 1: so an extra hundred thousand dollars on them all this
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to him, but it does matter to you
Speaker 1: and me, and it will matter at the upcoming election.
Speaker 1: A few quick things to note. Craig Kelly has moved
Speaker 1: political houses again after leaving the Liberal Party, going to
Speaker 1: the United Australia Party, briefly to the One Nation Party.
Speaker 1: He is now going to be the Liberty Senate candidate
Speaker 1: in New South Wales at the upcoming federal election. The
Speaker 1: Tasmanian Club has made a decision that Sheila's are allowed
Speaker 1: to come into the Bob and only if they've gone
Speaker 1: a blug with them. I'll have twentieth century off them.
Speaker 1: And you might have heard by now that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: de spot saying this multiple times about his son Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1: Does the President have any intention of pardoning him?
Speaker 5: We've been asked that question multiple times.
Speaker 6: Our answer stands, which is now the.
Speaker 1: Big news today was.
Speaker 6: Good evening.
Speaker 7: We are coming on the air with breaking news tonight.
Speaker 7: President Biden has made a decision to pardon his son
Speaker 7: Hunter head of the transfer of power to President elect
Speaker 7: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We now turn to a Fox New remarks.
Speaker 5: President Biden is expected to issue a pardon for his
Speaker 5: son Hunter.
Speaker 1: Shocking.
Speaker 5: Yes, Biden said on multiple occasions that he would not
Speaker 5: pardon his son or he whispered it or commute his sentence.
Speaker 5: The pardon comes ahead of Hunter's December twelfth sentencing for
Speaker 5: his conviction on federal gun charges.
Speaker 7: Seeing in his learned President Biden will pardon his son
Speaker 7: Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1: But it's okay because he's lifty supporters who still exist
Speaker 1: on television, no matter how wrong they were at the
Speaker 1: election or elections before that. The people still with the
Speaker 1: Trump derangement syndrome, plenty of them still writing news copy
Speaker 1: here in Australia. They said this is an act of.
Speaker 7: Love, Joe, Is this a politics of purity? This is
Speaker 7: a father who saw his first wife killed, his daughter
Speaker 7: killed in a carrash. His two young sons survive. One
Speaker 7: goes on to have real difficulties with addiction, another dies
Speaker 7: because of cancer. This is a family that's really trouble.
Speaker 7: I mean, are many people going to be surprised that
Speaker 7: a father who is also the president would do this
Speaker 7: for a son?
Speaker 1: What he said he wouldn't, But that, of course was
Speaker 1: when he was running. Then they pushed him out, so
Speaker 1: he said, oh bugger, I'll do it. I'll do it
Speaker 1: the side of the same ber, I'll do it, And
Speaker 1: all weekend we'll move on to something else. The what
Speaker 1: the something else is we'll all have to find out
Speaker 1: together the start of World War three? Who knows, in fairness,
Speaker 1: Joe doesn't remember making the other promise. But that's a
Speaker 1: whole different issue, isn't it. We break back with more
Speaker 1: loss of debate tonight. Matt Canavan on the nature positive stuff.
Speaker 1: I was seeing some discussion of it earlier today where
Speaker 1: people say the legislation's gone, it's been torn up. No,
Speaker 1: it hasn't. Anthony Albernezi himself said on taxpayer television yesterday
Speaker 1: that he would return the bills to the Parliament, meaning
Speaker 1: the threat that still existed in Western Australia and everywhere
Speaker 1: else exists today with re electing this government. Morenessing, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for watching us. Sam Crossby joins us
Speaker 1: right now, follow the Christmas spirit and excited for a
Speaker 1: many many things. Now I should say he does a
Speaker 1: lot of great work with Vinni's Videa's a great charity
Speaker 1: and I want people, in all of their Christmas stockings
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, find a way to
Speaker 1: back a charity. Okay, it could be food bank, it
Speaker 1: could be anything, but I would say Vinnys is doing
Speaker 1: excellent work. I please find a way to support them
Speaker 1: if you can. Right. So, maybe it's the adults don't
Speaker 1: give presents and you're just going to give a donation.
Speaker 1: He's not asking me to make that point. I'm making
Speaker 1: it on my own. And the wonderful Matt Canavan who
Speaker 1: has given plenty of blood, sweat and teas the good
Speaker 1: people of North Queensland and so many other things. What's
Speaker 1: in the background. Are you in your man cave again
Speaker 1: tonight and you've upgraded everything. What's behind us there? I
Speaker 1: love the background.
Speaker 8: Actually, Paul, this was a lovely donation from a gentleman
Speaker 8: who passed away a few months ago. This is all
Speaker 8: the coal mines he worked at. Oh, he's got badges
Speaker 8: from all of them, and he donated it to my office.
Speaker 1: I'm in my office.
Speaker 8: I've just had dinner for my son's eighteenth birthdays slipping
Speaker 8: across the road from the Italian restaurant Pacino's excellent restaurant
Speaker 8: here in Rockhampton. That's it, and live from here from.
Speaker 1: Here mentioned my name payful price. That's the way it
Speaker 1: normally works, all right now, speaking of pubs, I've saved
Speaker 1: it till now because I wanted to throw it around
Speaker 1: with you guys. I made it clear last night that
Speaker 1: the way that that company decided to virtue signal inen
Speaker 1: around a straight a day was a reason to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: go somewhere else this summer. Now apparently found some way
Speaker 1: to slightly backtrack on it. But can I just see
Speaker 1: what they actually said today, because I think there's plenty
Speaker 1: of pr weazel words in all of this. Australia Day
Speaker 1: is a day that causes sadness for some members of
Speaker 1: our community. So we have decided not to specifically celebrate
Speaker 1: that day because it causes harm to some of the
Speaker 1: patrons and staff. That's what they said yesterday. Today it's stern.
Speaker 1: Oh look, you know, we're open to anyone and everyone
Speaker 1: who wants to do whatever they want on Australia Day,
Speaker 1: but they're having promised to put the bunting up now, Matt,
Speaker 1: I saw you got a good run on this Today show.
Speaker 1: I heard that the hosts were scoffing and all the
Speaker 1: rest of it. But who cares. You're funnily enough where
Speaker 1: the majority of people were, and I reckon there was
Speaker 1: a lot of people who like me, have been to
Speaker 1: plenty of these venues, in fact, have annual traditions of
Speaker 1: going to some of these venues. Who did, as I
Speaker 1: did after the show last night cancel bookings?
Speaker 8: Well, look, I didn't need to cancel a booking. I
Speaker 8: wasn't going to one of these pubs anyway. But I
Speaker 8: mean a couple of points to make here, Paul. I
Speaker 8: know the Woolworth CEO stepped down last year. He must
Speaker 8: have found a new job already running these pubs, because
Speaker 8: I mean, how could you make this decision after seeing
Speaker 8: the Woolworths fiasco last year. They got absolutely tailed up
Speaker 8: over their decision to remove Australian products on Australian Day.
Speaker 8: They had a big drop in their sales, although their
Speaker 8: sales growth.
Speaker 1: Was much much lower.
Speaker 8: But after inflation, they had a big drop in their
Speaker 8: sales in wool wors and they backtracked on it. So look,
Speaker 8: at least we're at least we're shortening the distance now, Paul,
Speaker 8: between a woke proclamation and a woke back down. It's
Speaker 8: now happening within twenty four hours, so there is a
Speaker 8: clear reaction that people spoke I think in that time.
Speaker 8: The other point I just want to make is, look,
Speaker 8: I've gon't no problem you going to pubs, but they
Speaker 8: do sell alcohol. And since when do they get to
Speaker 8: be the moral guardians for the rest of us? I mean,
Speaker 8: we seem to have banks out there telling us what
Speaker 8: to do. I mean banks. I mean these people are
Speaker 8: effectively been Robert Barons the last decade, and I'm just
Speaker 8: sick and tied of corporations, big corporations. Often they make
Speaker 8: a lot of money, good luck to them, but you're
Speaker 8: not saints and you don't get to spouse some kind
Speaker 8: of ten commandments, like you've just come down from Mount
Speaker 8: Sinai when you're just trying to run a business. Just
Speaker 8: go and run your business and stop trying to be
Speaker 8: the moral guardian of the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Also, Sam, one of the pubs they own, I'm not
Speaker 1: joking in South Australia is called the Colonist. That's one
Speaker 1: of the pubs they own. Men, if not all of
Speaker 1: the pubs have got poker machines, all right. So the
Speaker 1: whole point is if you want to make your social stands,
Speaker 1: there's a whole series of things you can do. So
Speaker 1: that's fine if that's what they want to do. But
Speaker 1: the whole point is someone in marketing decided to bang
Speaker 1: this one out nice and early, presumably someone higher than
Speaker 1: the marketing person's going, what's happened in the past twenty
Speaker 1: four hours? I mean, that's the Colonists. It's the Colonist
Speaker 1: isn't doing Australia day and the Colonist is still part
Speaker 1: of their portfolio. But is the press release right?
Speaker 9: You know, I'll be honest, I can't remember any pub
Speaker 9: that I've gone to if they've got an Australia flag up.
Speaker 9: You know, you go in you get your beer, you
Speaker 9: sit with your mates. You fine, it's putting the press
Speaker 9: release out, you know in this sort of you know,
Speaker 9: absurd rane virtue signaling, wanky virtue signaling. You know, if
Speaker 9: you've got those views, fine, you know great. I know
Speaker 9: a lot of Australia do is. That's fine, but don't
Speaker 9: do it. You know you stay home, hang out with
Speaker 9: your mates at home, or don't hang out, sit in
Speaker 9: the clip you know, dark round byself, do whatever you
Speaker 9: want to do.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 9: It's the it's the telling everyone. It just it just grates,
Speaker 9: doesn't It just gets on your nerves.
Speaker 1: The Colonist this is their website. The Colonists Gaming Room
Speaker 1: features thirty three of the latest poker machines in a
Speaker 1: welcoming atmosphere set out with ample room and each machine
Speaker 1: for your comfort and enjoyment. I continue attention to detail
Speaker 1: and cleanliness makes The Colonist a destination venue for many
Speaker 1: who play the podcast.
Speaker 8: My tip Paw has hit the Cat of nine tails
Speaker 8: spoken machine.
Speaker 1: That's a lucky one. That one plays out. He could again.
Speaker 6: Right, if you're going to do it, somebody's going to
Speaker 6: find this stuff. I waited twenty four hours to double
Speaker 6: check that I did, but I'm pleased. And then look
Speaker 6: I love the Pokey's all right, you know of the
Speaker 6: Queen of the Nile. Still culturally appropriate though, I mean.
Speaker 1: Good point, yes, mister cash Man, is you know, not
Speaker 1: gender neutral and any others we can mention here dollars
Speaker 1: stop anyway, you get the whole point. I'm across the
Speaker 1: issue rather well. Anyway, it is where it is. Took
Speaker 1: a little survey of our staff today and to go, okay,
Speaker 1: they've done the backflip. Do we go and rebook no
Speaker 1: one year ban for the venue? So a place that
Speaker 1: I've loved for a long time. No summer for me,
Speaker 1: nature positive, Matt, the Prime Minister, I want to make
Speaker 1: this nice and clear. Over the weekend people were pretending
Speaker 1: that this thing's been torn up and disappeared. No, no,
Speaker 1: it still exists. They'll reintroduce it to the Parliament if
Speaker 1: they'd want to. Theoretically they could get a double disillusion
Speaker 1: out of it if they really want to keep voting
Speaker 1: against it. And just in case anyone doubts, the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister yesterday, not in the Parliament, not quietly spent yesterday
Speaker 1: on taxpayer television. He committed the government to the Policy
Speaker 1: of Nature positive.
Speaker 10: Okay, there is a draft agreement though, and a letter
Speaker 10: to you that says draft agreement on the top and
Speaker 10: spells out what that No, there's not that. Well, I've
Speaker 10: seen that the draft letter from her, a draft agreement
Speaker 10: from Tanya Plibersek to the Greens laying out the amendments.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no draft agreement to me.
Speaker 10: Just to be clear, you're saying you weren't aware that
Speaker 10: the minister had written a draft agreement letter to the
Speaker 10: Greens laying out.
Speaker 2: Well, we were negotiating through a series of legislation. Forty
Speaker 2: five pieces of legislation went through.
Speaker 1: Now, Matt, we talked about it before. Give us an
Speaker 1: idea what this legislation is, because you and that plenty
Speaker 1: of others can campaign on the next election. It has
Speaker 1: not been torn up. Is still their first principle, It
Speaker 1: is still their intention to make it law.
Speaker 8: What is it, Well, it's effectively putting the foxes in
Speaker 8: charge of the chicken coop, Paul. What this will do
Speaker 8: will put activist bureaucrats in charge of every project in
Speaker 8: this country. And so we just saw a small window
Speaker 8: into that. When the current mister Environment who seems to
Speaker 8: be doing a good job imitating an activist stopped a
Speaker 8: billion dollar gold mine for because of concerns about a
Speaker 8: mythical be It's not even impact on a real bea.
Speaker 8: It's impact on a story about a bee. So I mean,
Speaker 8: this is what's going to happen if we let those
Speaker 8: bureaucrats providing that advice actually make the final decisions. And
Speaker 8: that's what this bill would do. Now, what's clear here
Speaker 8: to me is the Prime Minister has pulled a bunch
Speaker 8: of this stuff, not because he doesn't believe in it anymore,
Speaker 8: but because he wants to keep his powder dry. He
Speaker 8: wants to keep his powder dry. For a minority government,
Speaker 8: it was almost inevitable if Labor is sustained power. And
Speaker 8: the positions the Labor Party has right now aren't just
Speaker 8: their policies, they're just the stuff adding point of negotiations.
Speaker 8: And what the Greens will do to form minority government
Speaker 8: is take them even further to the left and more
Speaker 8: radical and more destructive for our economy. And that is
Speaker 8: going to be what's the real choice before the Australian
Speaker 8: people at this election. If you vote for the Labor Party,
Speaker 8: you're going to get a whole lot of scary Green
Speaker 8: policies from behind a curtain that Labor's hiding right now,
Speaker 8: that they'll pull back after the election to offer to
Speaker 8: the Greens to stay in government.
Speaker 1: But you won't know what they are.
Speaker 8: You would exactly know what the details are if you
Speaker 8: vote for Labor Party this time.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about pulling back curtains. Did one of
Speaker 1: your kids take you to Wicked this weekend? Are you
Speaker 1: making a little Wizard of Oz reference?
Speaker 11: There?
Speaker 1: Did you go and seeing you? You didn't see it
Speaker 1: this weekend? It's the Eat movie. It's very little campire
Speaker 1: that I would expect your tastes to be in film.
Speaker 1: But I thought they're pulling back at the curtain.
Speaker 8: A lovely Rivers still worked up about the other sixteen
Speaker 8: social media band.
Speaker 1: I don't stop complaining. True, we'll get all right, Sam
Speaker 1: again the principles that have just been said there by Matt.
Speaker 1: Remember Roger Cook, wa premier apparently had problems with this legislation,
Speaker 1: so much so that he thought it would be a
Speaker 1: version of his own government and the Heritage laws, which
Speaker 1: of course in part helped sink the voice quickly in
Speaker 1: Western Australia. Quinsane was never going to vote for it,
Speaker 1: but he has said please don't do this. Prime minister
Speaker 1: double stand and says, okay, cool, we won't do it now,
Speaker 1: but maybe later.
Speaker 9: So look, my understanding was that the Prime Minister said
Speaker 9: he wanted to negotiate this through with the Liberal Party
Speaker 9: and the coalition and had some sort of agreement or
Speaker 9: Tanya had some sort of agreement with the Greens, which
Speaker 9: he said, no, he wanted to make this a bipartisan thing.
Speaker 9: I don't have any information to contradict him on that,
Speaker 9: and so I'm taking him at faith value, and I
Speaker 9: hope that's right. I mean, in general, I think most
Speaker 9: Australians would hope that most legislation, especially big things like this,
Speaker 9: are agreed between the major political party.
Speaker 1: What were the chances you could do a deal on this?
Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt, but yeah, what are the chances we
Speaker 1: don't have to?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean this is the Labor Party's policy. It's
Speaker 8: their policy, so as remains their policies, you said, Paul,
Speaker 8: So say, you can, as seem certainly take people in
Speaker 8: their face value. So if you vote from they're going
Speaker 8: to try and implement it. And I think what's worse
Speaker 8: is with the risk of the mount of government already,
Speaker 8: it might even be made worse.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a couple of international issues
Speaker 1: in a second. But firstly, we talk about this every
Speaker 1: now and then, which is about the problems that teachers
Speaker 1: have controlling their classrooms. At the moment. There's a disgraceful
Speaker 1: number of kids that have to be booted out of
Speaker 1: classrooms or restrained because of the threats they posed to others.
Speaker 1: There's assaults on teachers that happens way too frequently. The
Speaker 1: OECD has shown that one of the big issues in
Speaker 1: the Australian classrooms is the lack of discipline, which is
Speaker 1: why we fall, and we keep falling all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't think it costs a dollar to fix this.
Speaker 1: I just think you make the laws nice and clear
Speaker 1: to empower a teacher to have the full authority to
Speaker 1: have the discipline control in their classroom. But how the
Speaker 1: heck do we fix this?
Speaker 9: So the short answer is no, one knows. The trend
Speaker 9: line is real. There's something happened at COVID, and we
Speaker 9: can all figure out kind of what happened at COVID,
Speaker 9: But since COVID there has been an absolute trend line
Speaker 9: on this going in the wrong direction. New South Wales
Speaker 9: has just recently repealed the previous government's directions about suspending students,
Speaker 9: so's they're making it easier for schools to suspend students.
Speaker 9: There are a number of programs that exist that I
Speaker 9: would hope that they look more at, which is not
Speaker 9: just sending the kid home where they get to know,
Speaker 9: best case scenario, play Fortnite, worst case scenario, go home
Speaker 9: and get belted by you know, someone that's not belting
Speaker 9: them because they love them, you know, get a terrible environment.
Speaker 9: But they're sending them to you know, community organizations like
Speaker 9: the pcy C where they do the sort of kids
Speaker 9: equivalent of a community service, you know, something like that.
Speaker 9: Now that doesn't help the kids that are frankly assaulting
Speaker 9: teachers and sure for them. You know, we're talking about
Speaker 9: different different things, but there's got to be an answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, glad to hear that. There are some things that
Speaker 1: are happening in and around things that look as a
Speaker 1: person who had been it's one surprise you suspended it
Speaker 1: at least twice in my high school years. The idea
Speaker 1: and also remember I'm from a system that surprised surprise
Speaker 1: when I went home. It didn't matter what the reason was.
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad weren't finding a way to appeal the decision.
Speaker 1: They were finding a way to say, Oh, okay, Pale,
Speaker 1: all right, you're in a world of trouble that in
Speaker 1: and of itself might be part of the problem. Now,
Speaker 1: today's a very special day. I hope that you are
Speaker 1: marking it on your calendars. The second of December three
Speaker 1: years ago was when we were promised two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five dollar cuts in power prices. Now, to mark
Speaker 1: this important occasion, we have a message from the opposition leader.
Speaker 12: Remember when Anthony Openezy promised to cut your power bills
Speaker 12: by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
Speaker 1: That was three years ago to the day. And he
Speaker 1: didn't just promise at once.
Speaker 2: Two d two hundred and two hundred and two hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy five DOLLARSS Labour said at ninety seven times
Speaker 2: before the last election.
Speaker 1: But what's it delivered?
Speaker 12: Well, electricity prices are now up to one thousand dollars
Speaker 12: more than what Labor promised.
Speaker 1: Labour's renewables only policy.
Speaker 12: Is driving prices up and Australian households are paying the price.
Speaker 1: Here's the reality.
Speaker 12: Lying solely on renewables comes with a staggering cost of
Speaker 12: six hundred and forty two billion dollars. That's more than
Speaker 12: five times what Labor claimed. And when the wind doesn't
Speaker 12: blow or the sun doesn't shine, Australians put the bill
Speaker 12: for the instability. Next year, Australians face a clear choice
Speaker 12: Labour's costly renewables only agenda or the coalitions affordable balanced
Speaker 12: energy mix including zero emissions nuclear technology.
Speaker 1: To get our country.
Speaker 12: Back on track, we need to make these decisions that
Speaker 12: are in our country's best interests.
Speaker 1: So one of the greatest lives told in Australian political history,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday three years young mac Kennaman.
Speaker 8: It sure is Paul, and it's not here. It's further
Speaker 8: away than it's ever been. I mean, the average bill's
Speaker 8: gone up over five hundred dollars a year for families.
Speaker 8: That's average, some large families much more than that. When's
Speaker 8: the penny going to drop here? No country in the
Speaker 8: world that has pursued solar and wind as their major
Speaker 8: energy sources has lowered electricity prices. Not a single nation
Speaker 8: in the world has achieved that. Many of them been
Speaker 8: trying to do this now for a generation. It's not
Speaker 8: a recent thing. And so, as I say, reality, reality
Speaker 8: is undef defeated, Champion, and the reality is that the
Speaker 8: Labor Party's energy plant is not working. They're obstinate, they're stubborn,
Speaker 8: and they're refusing to face up to reality that they
Speaker 8: need to change what they're doing soon or we're going
Speaker 8: to lose a lot of jobs in this country. And
Speaker 8: people already are. But people are going to continue to
Speaker 8: pay through the nose for something that should be really,
Speaker 8: really cheap in the country blessed with so much energy
Speaker 8: like we are.
Speaker 1: Sam. If only I had more time for your response,
Speaker 1: the less we're out of time right now. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Stand by the idea, though, give to charity this Christmas. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know everyone's doing it tough. I'm not saying about
Speaker 1: more money than ever before, but if you can, it's
Speaker 1: a great idea, and Vinie would be one of the
Speaker 1: ones that I'd be backing in heart. Thank you, lads,
Speaker 1: will see you again before that Christmas break or a
Speaker 1: quick breakback with more here on Paul Murray Life, talking
Speaker 1: to somebody about their reaction to the government's official response
Speaker 1: when it comes to this suicide Royal Commission into members
Speaker 1: of the Defense Force, it's one thing for us to
Speaker 1: talk the talk. Does this walk the walk? We'll all
Speaker 1: find out together. Nixt Saturday, the Federal government gave its
Speaker 1: response to the Royal Commission into Veterans' Suicide one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two recommendations eighty five. Yes, the rest are
Speaker 1: in some version of the too hard basket. I went
Speaker 1: through that in great detail at the start of the show.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that video will'll be up soon. It's going to
Speaker 1: news dot com dot au. But in the meantime for
Speaker 1: his view and this, I wanted to talk to Ryan Shaw,
Speaker 1: who is a veteran's advocate. He's a member of his
Speaker 1: man who has served in the ADYF and want to
Speaker 1: get his thoughts, whether they are similar to mine or
Speaker 1: completely different. Love you to meet you again. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your service. Ryan. Have I got this right? Where
Speaker 1: it's one thing for them to say they're going to
Speaker 1: implement something, but once we start to say, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of acknowledge, and then we note that there
Speaker 1: is there is a whole lot of too hard basket
Speaker 1: that has come out of this report as well.
Speaker 11: Thanks for having me on. I have to say, it's
Speaker 11: very refreshing to hear your rhetoric this evening, because it's
Speaker 11: a very special day to hear the government's response to this.
Speaker 11: I've had a lot of people come to me today
Speaker 11: and say it's great that they've managed to tick this
Speaker 11: box and agree on so many things. And I went
Speaker 11: back and I reviewed it, and they have agreed in
Speaker 11: principle on so many important things. And what does that mean. Well,
Speaker 11: it might sound better than it actually looks, but it
Speaker 11: really is saying, yes, okay, we acknowledge it, but when
Speaker 11: it comes to this, we'll action it another day. And
Speaker 11: I think when I look at this in more detail,
Speaker 11: we haven't had much time to digest it. But I'm
Speaker 11: very concerned about the lack of commitment on some of
Speaker 11: the critical recommendations that were made. I think it was
Speaker 11: Recommendation seventy one, which is to simply ask, can you
Speaker 11: align the Department of Veteran Affairs fee for service with
Speaker 11: that of other service and other social service schemes like
Speaker 11: INDIS and it was agreed in principle. And the other
Speaker 11: one was to simply I think it was Recommendation seventy two,
Speaker 11: which the recommendation to expand the healthcare services for veterans,
Speaker 11: again agreed in principle. So how can we claim to
Speaker 11: prioritize veteran mental health and basic expansion considerations when we
Speaker 11: are just agreeing in principle. The issues we're talking about
Speaker 11: here aren't new, and it's very concerning to see some
Speaker 11: of the more larger and more extensive contributors to this
Speaker 11: national crisis, that is defense and veteran suicide, to be
Speaker 11: taken with such a broad approach is no action. We're
Speaker 11: acknowledging the problem, you know, that's just one step. We'll
Speaker 11: think about implementing solutions in the future. When you're in defense,
Speaker 11: you learn a lot about leadership, and I don't see
Speaker 11: leadership right now. I think the next step, which is
Speaker 11: the implementation, is where that true leadership shows. That's what
Speaker 11: we need to keep an eye on. I think I
Speaker 11: just heard before it's the third birthday of the cost
Speaker 11: of living crisis. I'm still waiting for that promise, So
Speaker 11: let's see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean the other thing he Ryan is
Speaker 1: and I'm pleased with your expertise that we're basically in
Speaker 1: the same ballpark, right and again it is early days
Speaker 1: in detail and double check. But once you start getting
Speaker 1: down to seventeen of the things that are just noted,
Speaker 1: I mean, what does that even mean? You might as
Speaker 1: well just say, you know, bugger off, because it's not
Speaker 1: even the gray area of I sort of generally, how
Speaker 1: do they just say noted? How is this an acceptable
Speaker 1: response to seventeen ideas to save people's lives?
Speaker 11: Am I am I too bold to say that? This
Speaker 11: just seems a little like political theater to me, to
Speaker 11: tick a box to say that they did a thing.
Speaker 11: I'm sick of my mates killing themselves and that's why
Speaker 11: I advocate so hard in this. And I'm just seeing
Speaker 11: political theater with a noted and I'm seeing political theater
Speaker 11: with a greed in principle. Some of the recommendations I
Speaker 11: bought up I have mentioned several times on aring media outlets,
Speaker 11: and that is the importance of creating a sense of purpose,
Speaker 11: and it is disappointing. I think it is political theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, obviously we'll follow up with others. I appreciate
Speaker 1: firstly your service and then your advocacy as well. Thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone, and strength and love to everyone who's
Speaker 1: dealing with the difficulties, including the people that sadly have
Speaker 1: been lost to this stuff. Appreciate it right, all the best,
Speaker 1: thanks right sure there for us. He is of course
Speaker 1: a victim's advocate, and particularly a veteran's advocate. And there's
Speaker 1: too many veterans that ended up becoming victims of a
Speaker 1: system that has had a Royal commission that had the
Speaker 1: opportunity for everyone to be heard that the government has
Speaker 1: responded to and I am marking them quite harshly. Again.
Speaker 1: There's telephone numbers that are there for support please one
Speaker 1: one hundred zero double one zero four six the lifeline number,
Speaker 1: and plenty of other ways to have the support and
Speaker 1: strength and love to every person who struggles. But you
Speaker 1: in the Defense Force or not, I get it. It's
Speaker 1: a tough time, it's a tough life, and we always
Speaker 1: want you here because we love you. Family, friends or
Speaker 1: drying choice, say tomor