WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 2 December 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.120 From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.360 Thank you, Darland, thank you so much for watching tonight. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.600 We have got a lot of telling to fit into 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.360 the next hour, so let's not muck around. It was 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.680 the best part of three almost four months ago since 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.759 the final report was handed down by the Royal Commission 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:26.239 into the causes and the systems around members of the 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:31.160 Australian Defense Force, both currently serving and former serving, and 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.839 the shocking numbers that have taken their own lives. Now 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.600 on this show, we've talked about it for years. We 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.080 have literally sat down with the mothers. We have called 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:43.040 for and championed the Royal Commission. We're followed every single 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.519 part of this, so today was a very big day. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.400 Today was the official response of the government to the 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.920 more than one hundred and twenty recommendations that Nick Callis, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.040 the former Deputy Commissioner of Police in New South Wales, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.440 made in a very lengthy, very detailed and very honest 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.520 account of a system that Australians see as a national shame, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:10.240 something that must and had to change now. The Prime 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:15.520 Minister spoke back in September about his response. When the 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.480 report was first handed to the government. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.400 And this is where the government will thoroughly consider every recommendation. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.240 We will to work across the Parliament on these issues 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.920 and do what we can to ensure that just as 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.800 our veterans and defense personnel step up for our country, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.000 we have an obligation to step up for them. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.520 So the formal response to the report, which was released 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.520 in September, has now been released. If you brush across 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.920 across much of the media coverage, it will say that 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.760 the government has accepted most of, if not all, of 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.480 the recommendations. Recommendations that we've talked about in the past 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.120 that make common sense suggestions such chat making sure that 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.200 families don't have to move around too much, making sure 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.240 that the emotional intelligence of people is considered before they 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:13.000 are promoted, That constant surveys should be done of the 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.920 membership of the Defense Force, about the leadership in the 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.200 Defense Force, and if there's a golf between where the 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.440 men and women of the ADFR and their leaders, well 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.640 then the leaders should change. There's also a whole series 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.720 of recommendations in and around brain trauma, the keeping of 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.639 data so that we actually have an honest account of 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.680 the number of people that have taken their own lives 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.640 and some pretty confronting stuff about the Department of Veterans Affairs. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.640 But as always, the devil is in the detail. The 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.320 reason that I said last night in great detail. But 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.560 because it's a weekend, you may have missed it. You 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.239 need to watch this show every single night until the 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.359 Christmas break, because the assumption of the government is that 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.680 people are now starting to not pay attention, meaning that 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.160 the news stories which came out today because most people 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.480 didn't read the original report. Most people didn't read how 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.680 many of the recommendations were put forward, and most people 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.440 have not followed through on the detail of how many 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.240 of the recommendations are going to lead to changes versus 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.160 just nodding in the direction of the report. You've got 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:26.679 to watch us now. They hope that you're going to 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.000 be distracted by whatever big bash game is on or 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.040 cricket that I think starts up again later in the 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.800 week at the tests. But do me a favor, Please 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.480 come back to this show nine o'clock Australian Eastern daylight 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.120 time every night during summer. Please series link us on 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.600 Foxtel add us to the favorites. If you're watching on 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.000 Binge or on flash. If you're watching through the sky 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.840 News that favorite this program, get the podcast at skynews 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.200 dot com dot stay in touch because I'll keep an 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.200 eye on all of it, so you don't have to 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.120 when you can get on with the preparations for that 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.480 beautiful time of year that we are in right now, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.440 of parties, presence, and time with family and friends. A 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.960 perfect example of that is that this announcement happened today. Now. Parliament, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.880 of course, was around for the last two weeks. If 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.640 anything was truly urgent and the government was able to 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.200 get a vote through the Parliament, they would have been 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.720 able to do so in the last two weeks. But 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.839 instead there's no guarantee that the parliament will resume before 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.520 the next election, meaning that if anything requires legislation or 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.880 a vote in the Parliament, that will not happen until 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:30.040 potentially after the next federal election, one where this government 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.839 could lose its majority and left wing people like the 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.839 Greens or particularly the Victorian Teals might be the ones 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.279 that are actually going to prop up that government. In 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.120 a minority situation, there of course could be a completely 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.640 different minority government, but we will know why. That is 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.919 the lesser of two most likely outcomes going into the election. No, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.560 we had to wait till today to the official first 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.440 working day after the start of summer and the beginning 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.560 of the wine down period for most people when it 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.280 comes to p polytical news because guess what, they are 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.719 not implementing everything that is in this report. In fact, 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.599 I can break this down for you nice and easy. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.080 There's one hundred and twenty two recommendations which Nick Caldice 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.719 and the Commission made. The government has agreed to eighty 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.640 five of them. Yes, that is a majority. But they've 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:26.000 also found ways to say they agree with the report, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.599 but that I promised to do anything in the report, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.800 such as agrees in principle with nineteen of the suggestions. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.320 There's a step down from this where they just note 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:42.320 what's in the report seventeen times now frankly agreed in 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.120 principle and noted. Feel like the too hard basket of 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.000 the response to this one, which was a change to 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.600 some of the pension schemes, has been just outright rejected 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.400 for what reason. Of course, we didn't get into that today. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.159 In fairness to the Prime Minister, yes, I'm a hard 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.640 marker on and I hope his time in office is 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.760 as short as possible and to his Deputy and Defensive minis. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.440 This is what they said today when most people were 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.400 just stenographers for what they were saying about the report, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.400 rather than actually looking at the details of the report 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.880 or what they are putting in the two hard basket 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.359 in the recommendations. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.839 My government willis Sabsherne Defense and Veterans Services Commission to 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.320 undertake the most comprehensive reform to the culture, systems and 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:33.679 processes across Defense, the ADF and the Department of Veterans 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.640 Affairs to prevent suicide and improve the mental health and 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.120 wellbeing of service personnel and veterans. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.560 The heart of the Royal Commission's report and the government's 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.880 response to it is that Defense's greatest asset is its 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.240 people and we need to look after them. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.320 So again, let's go back right if you here read 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.479 or anything anywhere. Oh, most of it they're going to 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.400 put in place, yes, okay, eighty five of one D 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.839 and twenty two they are going to promise to act on, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.560 meaning it will change. The two hard basket has nineteen 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.720 of the agreed in principles and seventeen of the government 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.160 has noted. So let's have a look in the too 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.360 hard basket. Which of these do you think should be 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:24.920 acted upon versus just agreed to in principle or noted. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.360 Here's some that stood out for me. Recommendation sixty one 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.960 is that they should establish a brain injury program. Why 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.720 because people who significantly are affected by concussion while serving 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.000 for the country may well later in life end up 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.240 developing the same type of diseases, which we know can 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.960 lead to an awful lot of noise mental health issues 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.600 and yes, some people choosing to win their own life. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.679 That is simply just agreed in principle. No promise to act. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:57.320 Recommendation seventy eight to prevent, minimize, and treat moral injury 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.840 again recognized, but no plan to act Recommendation eighty the 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.920 DVA to take responsibility for supporting members transition out of 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:13.480 the ADF. Now, the DVAS a complicated, difficult organization, one 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.200 that I believe should be completely scrapped and start again. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.600 While they do well for many people of previous wars, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.880 they do pretty poorly for more modern people that have 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.000 more people who service is a little closer to today 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.120 than decades ago, and people as they transition out of 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.440 the ADF into quote unquote normal society. This is where 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.560 people are falling out of the system. When they fall 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.280 out of the system, they get themselves in a world 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.240 of trouble and some of those people. How has that 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.520 not been agreed to by the government. How has it 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.880 just agreed in principle? Again, this is the too hard basket. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.400 Whether I'm reading from here. Eighty one the DEVA to 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.240 fund a program to support members well being during the 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.120 transition to civilian life. Oh yeah, they recognize it, they 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.960 agree in principle, but no plan to actually make that happen. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.320 Recommendation eighty three c to fill the gap between defense 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.560 and civilian training. This is huge. Again, I wouldn't be 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.160 agreeing in principle. I would be agreeing and promising to do. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.720 Recommendation eighty seven to establish a new agency to focus 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.959 on veteran well being. Well, they say there's going to 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.560 be a new agency, but it's not going to be 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.120 focused on veteran well being. It's going to be focused 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.800 on some of the implementation of the eighty five of 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.440 the one hundred and twenty two things that are not 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.080 in the too hard basket. While clearly the best part 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.520 of almost forty sit currently in that too hard basket. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.640 Recommendation ninety B to expand mental health support to all 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:45.400 reserve personnel. It's agreed in principle, but no promise for action. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.600 These are the reasons why the Royal Commission was called 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.360 in the first place. These are examples of dozens and 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.719 then hundreds and then thousands of people who end up 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.880 not having the support that they deserve after serving our country. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.480 There's a lot of detail here, but I know you 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.560 can handle it, and I want to follow the bouncing 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.520 ball out of respect for the people who serve our country. Again, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.360 Recommendation number ninety eight is in the agreed in principle, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.000 the too hard basket to strengthen the DVA performance targets. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.040 Why wouldn't that be agreed to Recommendation one hundred to 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.640 improve the transparency, accountability and effectiveness of the Department of 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.920 Veterans Affairs. That would get a triple tick from me, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.600 But for some reason it is just agreed in principle, 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.240 no plan for action when it comes to this Prime 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.839 Minister at this Defense Minister and one hundred and six 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.520 establish a suicide database for serving and ex serving members. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.800 Why is that anywhere other than absolutely agreed to underline 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.080 in reading one of the first things that they could 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.920 take place so we know how many people are taking 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.559 their own lives who have served this country even for 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:58.920 a day. I find this outrageous in particular, but no 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.959 giant surprise. Now again, I understand how big, I understand 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.840 how complicated, I understand how costly. But let's be very clear. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.480 The men and women who defend this country, who at 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.200 a moment's notice could be sent to the other side 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:14.839 of the world or have to deal with something in 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:20.319 this country, are like the members of our emergency services, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.719 be they volunteer or professional, are the best of us. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.160 These are people who run towards trouble when the rest 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.959 of us are running the other way. These are the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.520 people who are willing to defend every right we have 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.600 in this country. Yet the government and the political leadership 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.160 of this government the talk the talk, are not going 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.200 to walk the walk. Even worse than the agreed to 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:50.479 in principle is just noted. If there is any doubt whatsoever, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.120 this is the official list of the two hard basket. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:58.880 Of those there are the best part of nineteen of 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.880 those that have now made out into the noted Sorry 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.760 seventeen that have made it into the noted basket. He's 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.599 just some. I won't read them more, but I'm fixator 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.040 on the detail because the detail is what matters, and 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.640 what matters is everything. To make sure that men and 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.040 women who defend this country do not take their own life, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:24.280 Recommendation one of the of the Royal Commission has been 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.480 just put in as noted, the number one recommendation of 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.679 the Royal Commission is being ignored. To improve the capacity 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:36.199 of future roy Commissions to undertake their inquiries, noted Recommendation 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.080 forty two to ensure that future Inspector Generals of the 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.280 ADF have not served in the ADFI E an outsider 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.520 can come in to see what the problems are and 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.920 they are not affected by the culture of the ADF 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:53.000 or the slippery pole that many people in the public 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:59.240 service parts of the ADF climb like politicians. Noted Recommendation 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.360 eighty eight to develop a national funding agreement for Veterans 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.800 well being. It's not even agreed in principle, it's not 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.920 agreed to, it's just noted. Recommendation one hundred and one 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.960 a to enable veterans to choose their rehabilitation provider and 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.400 to self manage their budget for approved household assistance in 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.080 an opt in basis. Put simply, if you want an 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.040 NDIS style system for you and your rehabilitation, that should 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.120 be made available to you. It is just noted by 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.880 this government. It won't happen. Recommendation one hundred and eleven 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.280 to achieve gold standard rating for defense data sets related 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.960 to suicidality, people who make commit suicide or people who 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:43.680 do It's just noted one hundred and thirteen to ensure 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:48.920 commanding officers access and use quality data for continuous improvement 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:55.520 of well being metrics noted couple more one hundred and 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.720 eighteen eight to continue the existing census question for the 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.600 ADF Service in the next and future censuses. Why is 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.920 this not agreed to? Why is this just noted? Why 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.160 is this your service? And whether you have and when 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.480 you didn't for how long? In the too hard basket? 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.000 Recommendation one hundred and twenty to increase funding and research 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.560 into veteran health and well being? How is this not 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.880 agreed to? Let alone agreed in principle, it's just noted, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.520 And finally, enable research into the health and well being 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:35.720 of defense families. Noted they talk a big game. When 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.200 the Royal Commission is called, they say they can't possibly 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.760 have an opinion because the Royal Commission is playing itself out. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.920 They wait from September to December to respond to the 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.080 Royal Commission, of which of one hundred and twenty two 0:14:52.960 --> 0:15:00.080 eighty five they say yes, nineteen they say kinder, and 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.400 seventeen they say noted. One they say no. They're not 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.560 going to do presumably because it costs too much money. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.000 The shadow Defense Minister is Andrew Hasty. He is a 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.360 hope of the side. He is a man who you 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.800 would hope would implement all of these recommendations. I hope 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.560 he gets the chance to do so sooner rather than later, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.360 but we'll have to wait for an election for that 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:20.880 to happen. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.680 I think it comes down to political leadership and is 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.320 up to the Albanesi government to demonstrate they can lead. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.760 So far, I think they failed to lead the defense 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.600 force wells. We do want to work with the government 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.320 on a bipartisan basis to deliver for our defense and 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.320 veteran community. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.600 Now I guarantee in a couple of days time, what 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.640 seems like universal praise for the government's response is going 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.640 to start to fracture, or at least we're starting to 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.840 see or we will start to see what I think 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.920 is the gradience of response, the things that are in 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.400 the too hard basket, all the to do list, or 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.200 somewhere in between. As the days roll on, I'll pay 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.200 attention to the response. I'll pay attention to the advocacy groups. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.280 I'll pay attention to the mums who called for this 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.440 Royal Commission. I'll report back to you on how they feel. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.720 And I've got a feeling eventually it's going to be 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.520 the way that I feel, and hopefully you do tonight 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.200 about a government that yes, has taken on the majority good, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.240 but too many things are too vague in an area 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.160 that must improve. I believe the Royal Commission did fabulous work. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.200 I believe most, if not all, of its recommendations should 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:35.840 be in place. As for the other issues that are 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.280 worth dealing with as we move our way in towards 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.000 the full summer period. It's about the number of people 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.120 who have been brought into the country under this Prime 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.840 Minister and nowhere for them to live. It's just simple maths. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.200 If you bring it as many people to the country 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.480 as they have since they first formed government, which is 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.320 now a million people. Then you need to have a 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.720 million places for them to be able to live somewhere. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.679 But as you know, there's not enough rental properties for 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.399 the people before we brought in a million, there's not 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.800 enough units to buy before we brought in a million, 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.600 and there's definitely not enough freestanding homes before we brought 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.399 in a million. Again, their migration number under labor is 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.040 one million, one five hundred and sixty nine. Our source 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.560 the far right wing Australian Bureau of Statistics. As I 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.439 often talk about, we try to give you the data 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:33.880 to build the bricks of an argument, and the opinion 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.639 that I will add to it is the mortar that 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.400 will hold it together. But I need you to see 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.560 that data that when you say a million people and 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.760 somebody says that's not true, the source ain't me. The 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:47.119 source is the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Okay, the total 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.840 number of new homes and units that have been approved 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:55.040 in the same period of time is somewhere between two 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.840 hundred and sixty three. But according to my numbers that 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.160 we revised just before we came on here is four 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.560 hundred and thirty two thousand, eight hundred and twenty one. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.520 Now I am no genius, that is obvious. I am 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.800 just a blog trying to work my way through the 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.760 news like everyone else does. And my math's not fabulous. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.879 But if you've added a million, one thousand, five hundred 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.800 and sixty nine people in the same period of time 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.600 that you have only approved four hundred and thirty two thousand, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.120 eight hundred and twenty one places for people to live, 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.879 and I'm including social housing. Now, social housing, of course, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.919 already has a wait list of tens of thousands of 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:40.000 people in each state. So this is the best version 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.879 of the numbers, some quick editing by a team, and 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.479 I appreciate it. Four hundred and thirty two thousand, eight 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:50.480 hundred and twenty one compared to one million, one thousand, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.960 five hundred and sixty nine people that are brought into 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.600 the country. There is a problem those of us who 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.640 say we need to pump the b on the number 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.960 of people that are coming in until the infrastructure can 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:08.920 match the current population, let alone future populations. That is 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.000 an issue which must and should be front and center 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.000 in a national political discussion, and going into the election, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.280 you must mark harshly. A government that has presided over 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.520 this system, because this is the system of their making. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.520 They control the numbers. They can pretend that it's about 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.040 universities that are fiddling the books or someone finding a 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.679 side door. You have to issue a visa. The visa 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.120 is coming through the Department of Immigration. The people are 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.480 checked by the Australian Border Force when they come into 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.280 the country. So it is the federal government who has decided, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.400 in order to cook the books of the budget, we've 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.439 got to keep the tax rates as high as possible 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.880 while the spending is even higher than that deficits forward 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:55.480 for the next forty years. That's why they bring in 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.960 Aminian people. But despite the fact that it's your kids 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.840 and grandkids inability to buy a house, your kids and 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.840 grandkids inability to rent a house, or maybe even your 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.960 inability to rent a house, they don't care no matter 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.159 what they say. Perfect example, by the way, about the 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.600 supercharging in population and the problem of where the hell 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.120 are they going to live? The new Civils Planning Department 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.680 released some numbers unrelated to the conversation and the data 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.359 that I'm showing you here. But the data in and 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.320 of itself is worth having a look at. Reading from 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.879 the article that wrote about it in the Channel nine newspapers, 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.400 Greater Sydney will have six point seven million people by 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.280 twenty forty one. That's about a one point one million 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.720 more people than currently live in the biggest city in 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:46.560 the country. The current population of usipiles eight point five million. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.080 It will go up to more than ten million by 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.000 the twenty forties. Where we are what fifteen years away 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.440 from the twenty forties, which will be the first fifteen 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:02.560 years of forty years until twenty six of budget deficits. 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.399 To make it nice and clear in picture form for 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:11.359 even government backbenches to understand. The population keeps growing and 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.679 it will dramatically keep growing according to the estimates of 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:19.399 the Nisopwhals Department of Planning. But have a look at 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.080 where people are going to live and the extreme differences 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.000 in the different parts of Sydney and how they are 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.520 going to grow. The area of the green and the 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.240 Blue that is going to be racing well, of course, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.960 that is western Sydney where you can see the populations 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:42.040 have gone from the twenty twenties where we are right now, 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.840 all the way through to the twenty forties. They will 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.879 be double trebling even in the size, but places like 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.520 Mossman will stay exactly the same as it is. With 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.080 no disrespect to everyone is watching us in that beautiful 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.520 part of Sydney. It does vote Teel and that's because 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.600 just like everything else, the expectation is every where else 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:04.240 has to wear the cost of Big Australia or renewable 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.119 energy changes. Nothing to see here, of course, is the 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.760 way that this game works. But if you live in 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.080 the areas of Sydney that has lower housing prices than 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.440 the areas that have no change coming in the next 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:24.680 twenty something years, it's not like those higher valued areas, 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.639 let alone throwing twenty four hour airport noise in Western Sydney. 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.280 And there's going to be quite a crisis coming our way. 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.000 And everyone will say it's a crisis when it comes. 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.520 But very rarely do you have somebody saying it's a 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.720 crisis before it even happens. That's what I'm saying to 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:47.040 you right now tonight. Now again, forget about our bow 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.040 and interest rates, because too often people in my position, 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.040 with access to cameras and microphones, they talk about it 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:56.000 in a political context. Well, the reality for Australians is 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.600 that interest rates. As I've said for a long period 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.120 of time. Now, ever since y this government came to power, 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:05.679 there have been twelve interest rate rises. Interestrate python is 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.359 so tight around about a third, maybe even a half 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:14.399 of the country right now is rabina purple. And it 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.960 doesn't matter if the twelve becomes eleven. And somebody sent 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.200 me an email the other day saying I'm against interesstrate falls. 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:24.119 I'd love there to be eleven of them. They're not 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.080 going to happen, though, Why because this government is fiddling 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.320 with the inflation numbers, which means the Reserve Bank doesn't 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.760 know what data they're actually dealing with, which is why 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:36.679