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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, March sixteen, twenty twenty six. Australia's biggest manufacturers

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Speaker 1: are warning of cost hikes and even rationing of industrial

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Speaker 1: goods like plastics because of the Iran War. There's talk

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Speaker 1: of petrol rationing and concern we might run out of gas.

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Speaker 1: Four of the Iranian soccer group are on their way home,

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Speaker 1: and there are allegations the remaining three Lionesses are under

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Speaker 1: pressure to also go back to Iran. We're following that

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Speaker 1: story and the war itself live right now at The

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Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. Cryptocurrency titan and occasional astronaut

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has an incredible story of bouncing back from

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Speaker 1: multimillion dollar fraud on his company Coinspot. But when we

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Speaker 1: try to track him down for the list Australia's Richest

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Speaker 1: two fifty, Wilson proved elusive, which made us even more intrigued.

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Speaker 1: That's today's story. Angelica Snowden is a business reporter with

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Speaker 1: The Australian and this year she's involved in one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the Australian it's called the List

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Speaker 1: Australia's Richest to fifty each year. It's a list of

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Speaker 1: obviously billionaires. And one of the things I love about

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Speaker 1: the list is that you John Stenzelt, the editor, and

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Speaker 1: some of our other reporters have to actually hunt these

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Speaker 1: billionaires down, but don't actually want us to tell the

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Speaker 1: world how rich they are all the time.

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Speaker 2: As it happens, apparently some of the time they don't,

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Speaker 2: which is actually pretty interesting. I think you might find

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Speaker 2: that many of the people who are involved in the

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Speaker 2: list are very happily interviewed, and you know, they get

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Speaker 2: pictured on yachts or you know, on their private jets. Perhaps,

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Speaker 2: But as it happens, the fellow that I was reporting

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Speaker 2: on this year did really not want to be involved

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Speaker 2: at all. His name is Russell Wilson. He is a

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Speaker 2: crypto billionaire. He's from Melbourne. He's pretty young, he's forty

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Speaker 2: four years old. I think many people would have heard

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Speaker 2: of his company, Coinspot, which is one of Australia's biggest

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Speaker 2: crypto exchanges. But Claire, I don't know if you're involved

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Speaker 2: in crypto.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that crypto will be like non fungible tokens

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Speaker 1: that if I ignore it for long enough, it will

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Speaker 1: just go away and no one will ever talk about

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Speaker 1: it again. So I've been waiting about a decade now

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Speaker 1: with crypto. I don't I don't know what these things

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Speaker 1: are going away.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems to not be going away.

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Speaker 2: And if Russell Wilson's wealth is anything to go by,

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Speaker 2: I think it may have a very strong future. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, essentially, Russell Wilson launched his company in twenty

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Speaker 2: thirteen with you know, a couple of one hundred customers.

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Speaker 2: I imagine it very quickly grew to a few hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand a couple of years later, and today it is

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Speaker 2: Australia's biggest crypto exchange platforms by a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: It's very well known. As I said, the company is

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Speaker 2: well known, but the man behind it is really not.

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Speaker 2: He's virtually anonymous. He has gone to extreme lengths to

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Speaker 2: keep his identity private, completely private.

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Speaker 1: Is that because he's worried about his safety?

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Speaker 2: My colleague and I, Liam Mendez, spent a number of

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Speaker 2: months really trying to track him down and to work

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Speaker 2: out why he wanted to keep this level of privacy.

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Speaker 2: He says it's to protect his family. He ultimately did

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Speaker 2: supply us with a pretty short statement to a very

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Speaker 2: very long list of questions that we had. But I

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Speaker 2: think what you might find interesting, Claire, is that while

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Speaker 2: on the one hand, he really really strives to privacy,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, we actually tracked down a video

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Speaker 2: of him in space on Jeff Bezos's spaceship In a

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Speaker 2: similar way. Did you hear about Katie Perry Drick?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm hoping that she kissed the Earth when

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Speaker 1: she came back. She's sang a really cringe withy song

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Speaker 1: while she was up there sing did he kiss it?

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Speaker 1: Did he wear a skin Sight blue jumpsuit?

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Speaker 2: Indeed he did, He absolutely did. On his jumpsuit it

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Speaker 2: does say R. Wilson, But in all of the press

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Speaker 2: clippings about that particular mission, he's referred to as an

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Speaker 2: anonymous six crew member. So it's a really really bizarre

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Speaker 2: kind of story here. You know, I'm a business reporter.

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Speaker 2: A lot of my stories come through courts and court reporting,

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Speaker 2: and initially I heard about this on another podcast. It

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Speaker 2: was really all about this fraud that affected coinspot. But

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Speaker 2: what was kind of the missing piece in that podcast

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Speaker 2: it turns out, it's Russell Wilson, who is from suburban Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: and that's really where I my interest in this story

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it involved a scammer, an Englishman living in the

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Speaker 1: I must say, what was the scam, how did it happen?

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Speaker 2: James Parker, who was at the center of this fraud,

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Speaker 2: you know, living in poverty essentially, but he discovered how

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Speaker 2: to exploit coinspot and mister Wilson's platform. What it involved

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Speaker 1: James Parker has now passed away, so he never actually

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Speaker 1: that must have been devastating, not just for Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely again going back to my interest in this story,

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Speaker 2: after listening to the podcast, we sort of worked out, well,

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Speaker 2: where's Russell Wilson's voice in all of this. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is his company. He nearly lost the entire company

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Speaker 2: at this point, you know, a few years ago, and

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Speaker 2: now he's worth one point one billion dollars. About forty

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Speaker 2: million dollars was taken out of this platform, and as

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Speaker 2: I understand it, it was customers bitcoin. And in court

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Speaker 2: documents transcripts that I've obtained from the UK, we've got

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's account of him trying to negotiate with the

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Speaker 2: scammers in real time about how to get the money back,

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Speaker 2: and he described it as literally the worst week of

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Speaker 2: my life. That's a quote that came from these documents.

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Speaker 2: And what we discovered was that in a nightly reconciliation process, Wilson,

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Speaker 2: who is very involved in the company, discovered that the

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Speaker 2: reconciliation was out by millions of dollars and ultimately learned

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Speaker 2: that this glitch existed in the platform and that it

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Speaker 2: had been abused basically, and forty dollars had been taken.

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Speaker 2: So what he then embarked on was this intense back

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Speaker 2: has now been jailed over this scheme. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's an incredible tale. He I think his first and

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Speaker 2: really thought at that point like, I'm going to lose

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Speaker 2: this company and I'm going to lose all of this money,

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Speaker 2: is what he told the court. Ultimately, the money has

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Speaker 2: been returned largely and UK authorities have through proceeds of Crime,

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Speaker 1: What do you think about bitcoin having absorbed this whole episode.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's you know, again, like you, I do

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Speaker 1: Him it's be getting paid too much.

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Speaker 2: I think that those concerns, you know, that's what the

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Speaker 2: concern was ten or five years ago, right, and I

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Speaker 2: and that they work with regulators and authorities.

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Speaker 1: Now coming up, why did Russell Wilson's team threaten to

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Speaker 1: call the cops on the Australian. So tell me about

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Speaker 1: your and Liamb's adventures kind of tracking him down. What

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Speaker 1: what did he say when you eventually did.

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Speaker 2: Russell lives in Berwick, which is about an hour drive

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Speaker 2: want to talk to us. We tried the old fashioned

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Speaker 2: can't really get to his door because it's got like

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Speaker 2: perum at us. So, I mean, look, we're doing our jobs, right,

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Speaker 2: We've obtained all of this information. It's really our job

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Speaker 2: can tell us anything else. But ultimately he wouldn't, and

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Speaker 2: we tried walking up to the gate a number of times.

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Speaker 2: We parked our car outside and were approached by security

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Speaker 1: We just want to put you on the rich list man.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty extreme. We did get some pictures of

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Speaker 1: This is the hilarious thing about it too. He looks

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he will talk to us one day in the future.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's listening, but I really

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Speaker 1: I always find it intriguing that Johnston results time is

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Speaker 2: You know, we live in a social media world. We

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Speaker 2: live online, our lives are played out online normally. In

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Speaker 2: this case it's the opposite. Coinspot really doesn't have much

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Speaker 2: of a presence online. Russell definitely does not. Their entire

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Speaker 2: And I think it's very unusual to find somebody who

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Speaker 1: Angelicus noden Is Business reported with The Australian. Thanks a

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Speaker 1: thank you, Claire. You can read Ange's story right now

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Speaker 1: at The Australian dot com dot au and the list

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Speaker 1: Australia's Riches two fifty will be published on Friday