WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 16 July 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.000 From the Sky News Center. 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.120 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.280 Well, hello and good evening. Thank you Anika James Borrow 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.119 here for Paul Murray Live tonight and throughout the rest 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.160 of the week. Well buckle up, kids, because we've got 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.600 a big night here tonight with one of your favorites, 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.959 none other than the Great Bronwyn Bishop. And we're also 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.479 going to have an update very soon on the all 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:30.920 important Tasbanian election which is coming up this Saturday. But first, 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.680 I don't know about you, but if I were the 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:41.880 Prime Minister of Australia and someone compared me to Guff Whitlam, well, 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.120 I'd say them's fighting words and ask whoever called me 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.400 that if they wanted to step outside. But not our 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.600 Earthny ALBINIZI not our elbow. The Prime Minister today took 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.840 in the sites in China on day four of his 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.080 Great Tour, visiting the Great Wall and taking plenty of 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.080 tourist snaps for back home, though I'm not sure whether 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.000 or not he got the fact that this was the original. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:13.560 The Great Wall was the original Trumpian, big beautiful wall 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.720 designed to keep invading foreigners out. That's right. They weren't 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.080 all that hashtag welcome back to the Ming dynasty, which 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.800 had not yet realized how enriching diversity could be. But 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.600 there was Albert Easy on the wall, proudly stating that 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.080 his trip there well was in the footsteps of that 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.680 great helmsman of the Labor Party, the man I mentioned 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.279 a moment ago Guff Whitlam. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.760 Here today, of course, I have the sense of history 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.280 following the footsteps of the Labor Prime Minister Goff Whitlam, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.600 who was the first prime minister to visit here in 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:56.040 nineteen seventy three, had followed the correct decision that he 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.360 made as leader of the Labor Party in nineteen seventy one, 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.760 and that was, of course at the time when that 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:10.400 was a controversial decision to recognize the paper's Republic of China. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:11.080 Ah. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.200 Yes, Albo standing on the shoulders of good old Saint Guph, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.680 another prime minister who hated the US president at the time, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.840 in his case it was Richard Nixon and also trashed 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:28.200 the Australian economy. So yeah, you know what, I'm actually 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.440 starting to see the resemblance there between Albo and Guff Whitlam. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.560 And I tell you what, the Chinese Communist Party sure 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.240 is laying it on thick for alban easy, but worse, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.160 he's eating it up literally. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:48.120 The fact that President She didn't just have a meeting, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:53.320 but we had a lunch where President She as well 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.240 invited Jody to attend. That lunch was a sign of 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.160 respect to Australia, to our country. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.440 They had a large Oh goody goody. I wonder if 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.760 you got to show off how good he is. It's chopsticks, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.840 how but he is. He also revealed the extent that 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.320 Chinese government has gone to make him and Jody feel 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:15.800 at home. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:22.120 I've got to say that the band there in the 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:28.760 Great Hall played a different version of Paul Kelly's to 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.440 her Door of mid not ELL's power and the passion 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.720 of a range of songs as well that obviously took 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.800 them a long period of time and those gestures matter 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.600 powder Finger as well. They did the full kitten. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:51.400 Cavertle powder figure. You don't see Paul Kelly got. This 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.200 guy's a really cheap date, isn't he now. The Prime 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.800 Minister also revealed that he'd had eight hours of beatings 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.720 oh gosh, but he didn't reveal too much more about 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.160 them or what came out of them. In essence, we 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.240 kind of have to take him at his word at 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.720 this point that what we are agreeing to and where 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.520 we are disagreeing when we must, that's all going to 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.600 work out. But there are some signs, and we flagged 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.839 them last night and two nights ago, that behind the 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.719 scenes things might be a little less rosy because there 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.560 is still that issue of the Port of Darwin and 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.080 it has come up again today. You see, Wal Jijin 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.800 Ping was happy to play the smiling chieftain. He left 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.640 the dirty work to his number two head kicker Lee Kang, who, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.080 in a thinly veiled swipe and Australia is now bipartisan 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:48.440 position on the Port of Darwin, said quote, we hope 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:53.760 that the Australian side will treat Chinese enterprises visiting Australia 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.279 fairly and properly and solve the problems encountered by enterprises 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:04.719 and market acts, investment review and other aspects. That's code 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:09.040 for we don't want you kicking us out of Darwin. Now. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.279 I don't know about you, but I wonder if the 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.320 Prime Minister had the wit to turn this demand around 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:22.480 and say short thing, premiere. I mean, Chinese companies already 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.840 have a great deal in Australia. They can invest in agriculture, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.400 buy farmland, mining, critical industries, operate without mandatory cultural integration 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:38.120 and face far fewer restrictions. So how about it, China, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.600 if we turn this around and say you can keep 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.560 your lease on the Port of Darwin when Australian agribusiness say, 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:48.920 can operate farms in mainland China, or we can buy 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.360 property there, or all sorts of other things that they 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:57.600 can do here that we can't do there. But yeah, nah, 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:02.400 I don't see that happening. Meanwhile, though, there's been another 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.960 glowing editorial in the state masthead Global Times, which gave 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.800 its lead editorial the upbeat title today looking forward to 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:17.760 seeing China Australian relations cruise steadily into the stratosphere. They 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.080 wrote that, compared with the minefield status described by the 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:26.360 Global Times editorial three years ago, Today's China Australia relationship 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.880 is like a plane flying in the stratosphere after passing 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:36.240 through the storm zone. Well gosh, how colorful, although at 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.800 what cost? Which has basically been that now Australia has 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.560 to shut up about everything China does in international forums 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.640 and elsewhere. It only raises protest at the absolute minimum 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.760 when there's no other choice in the press. But despite 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:58.359 what that paper claims, China does not see us as equals. Indeed, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.680 this is a trap. It's being set for us and 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.040 for Anthony Albanesi and Anthony Albanese's commitment commitments to the 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.320 paper to what the paper called multilateralism means that in 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.640 the long run there will actually be more global conflict, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.920 not less. And kudos to one of the journalists on 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.640 the trip who picked up on this when Albanzi spoke 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.560 at the Great Wall. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.520 We have seen this kind of piece through trade approach, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.920 you know, between Europe and Russia, and that did not 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.240 really turn up to well and the fact that it 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.800 led to significant vulnerabilities and energy supplism. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.960 Are you not concerned that this will happen. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:45.000 With Yeah, well, our relationship is very different and I 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:50.320 don't think you can translate one thing across some other 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.520 part of the world of which Australia is not a participant. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.360 So I'm not sure what the biasis of that is. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.680 That's your the basis of that is. You know, the 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.200 question there is really really straightforward. But Albaniz he was 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.200 doing kind of his old play dumb and act like 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.720 you don't understand really what the guy is talking about. Routine, 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.480 but you know what, this is the issue here. Australia 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.680 has to play a really careful game right now. You see, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.160 we've talked about this before, and we see what China 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.640 is doing. China is trying to make itself look like 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.360 the reasonable actor on the world stage, the reasonable great power. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.120 And here we have to admit that Donald Trump hasn't 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.680 made it easier for US and for the West, because 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.920 they've now made trade an issue, a wedge issue that 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:45.320 China can use. But really, Albin Easy, Prime Minister, the 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.040 alliance with a free democratic nation like the United States 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.400 is far more important in the long run, because what's 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.160 happening right now is that as the Prime Minister travels 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.959 through China, he is being told exactly what he wants 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.360 to hear about Australia being the good boy of the 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:09.040 global order. It's patronizing and he's falling for it. And 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.120 now they're saying to the world. China is saying to 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:17.000 the world, look at Australia, be like them, trade with us, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.120 break away from the US and we can all be 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.440 friends and there will be what's the phrase, I'm looking 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.840 for peace in our time. It's all very clever, but 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.840 it's also very sinister and dangerous. You know, we know 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.080 how the cuddly panda can turn fierce and at some 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.559 point there will be a real conflict of visions, of values, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:41.280 of interests. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:41.560 Here. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.600 There is a limit to how close we can get 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:49.720 to a close totalitarian state. Here's National's leader David britt 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:50.839 Little Proud earlier today. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.720 The reality is is that there are strategic threats that 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:59.000 are arising in China is lifting their military military dominance. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.800 In fact, Penny Wong even said that last week. So 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.800 the fact this just points and highlights to the inadequate 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.640 situation that Anthony Albanezi hasn't seen the importance or urgency 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.200 to go to Washington and meet with President Trump to 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.680 shore up Orcus and the relationship that we have there. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.120 And it's interesting to note that Petty Wong has also 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.280 previously in recent months even said quite correctly that Australia 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.480 needed to diversify its trading relationships so that we weren't 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.880 so reliant on China. And yet now her boss, the 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.920 Prime Minister, is saying no, no, no, we're all in 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.800 and we're going to double down. But as to that 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.640 meeting with Donald Trump that David little Proud referred to, well, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.800 you know, I think we know why that's not happening. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.600 When Albinizi goes to ge he gets faded and toasted. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.480 But it's now looking more and more like whatever meeting 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.800 does occur between Albo and Donald Trump, well that's going 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:01.240 to be a far less pleasant interaction, which I think 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.839 is really sad that it has come to it that 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.559 this is the way it's going to be, because it 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.680 did not have to be like this. Remember, it doesn't 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.120 matter that Albanese is a labor left ee and that 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:18.400 Donald Trump is a right wing Magga Republican. Keir Starmer 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:23.760 and Donald Trump, different sides of politics get along just fine, 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:29.320 but Alberizi has chosen a different course. If Albanzy wasn't 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:35.320 more concerned though, with domestic politics, well then maybe we'd 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.320 have a better foreign policy. All right, let's move on 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.080 now to some other critical matters. Now we all saw 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.960 last week when Gillian Siegel headed down her report on 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:49.120 anti Semitism. The government was quick to accept this. Now 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.120 that the election is over, gosh, what a coincidence. But 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:58.280 not everyone in the government is happy. Ed Husick, the 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.840 deposed Cabinet minister, was on Radio National this morning and 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.160 he was having a chat about Jillian Siegel's report, and 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.680 guess what. It turns out that ed Husick did not 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.160 like what he read. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.360 I think I'd be concerned the suggestion that young people are, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.120 as a report is suggesting, at risk of becoming fully 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.839 fledged anti Semite studio missing disinformation, I think runs the 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.680 risk of being a bit too sweeping. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.240 At Husick also did it like the report singling out 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.520 the ABC of all institutions for bias when covering the 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:35.960 Israel Gaza war. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.560 I wasn't entirely comfortable that she just singles out public 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.880 public broadcasting. You know, there's a role to play across 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.520 media on these issues, and I didn't necessarily think it 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.839 was justified to point out the public broadcaster. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.800 Look, I watched the ABC and listen to it, so 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.680 you don't have to, and I could tell you they 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:00.400 deserved to be called out for their bias reporting around Israel, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.080 and particularly the case that Jillian Siegel spoke about, which 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.840 was that hospital that was supposedly bombed by Israel but 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.760 turned out to have been hit by a shell fired 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:16.920 by Hamas. Anyway, Cusick was also concerned about the definition 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:22.280 of anti Semitism that the report urged Australia to adopt. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.199 I just think the issue of definition instantly brings into 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.480 question whether or not people will be able to raise 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.719 their concerns about the actions, for example, of what the 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.040 Nyahu government is doing in Gaza and how that would 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.400 be traded under a definition. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.320 Look, I mean Ed Musick has his point of view, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.240 and of course he is one of the first two 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.920 Muslim members of Parliament. But I think we have to 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.080 take some issue with this because, as I said before, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.839 the ABC has been biased demosterbly so. And while I 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.160 don't think anyone can deny that young people are more 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.000 at risk of falling under this way of anti propaganda 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.000 from left or right, we also have to note that 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.960 as far as incidents such as the recent attacks on 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:12.240 synagogues and restaurant goers go, well, there's no way that 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.240 we can talk about any of that stuff coming under 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:20.120 the banner of legitimate criticism of Israeli policies, which is 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.080 what we always hear when people worry about defining anti 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.080 Semitism in that sort of way. And as well, I'd 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.800 also note that Ed Husick, who was booted from cabinet 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.240 in the most recent reshuffle, is now freelancing on this 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.920 issue all over the place. I'd be curious to see, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.040 of course, if he is as critical of an expected 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:45.320 forthcoming report on Islamophobia and what sort of restrictions that 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.400 report urges on Australian society. I suspect that he won't 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.080 be quite as enthusiastic because he also was talking about 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.840 policing the Internet with the Australian Financial Review and he 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:02.239 said that he had quote watched this from the perspective 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:07.280 of Islamo phobia for years, that the platforms don't take 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:12.000 this seriously unquote, So I think that there might be, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.800 when it comes to anheustic in these issues, a bit 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.120 of a double standard at work. But there's also another point, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.000 and I want to make this pretty clear either way, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.480 whether we're talking about anti semitism or islama phobia. And 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.880 I know that there's far more anti semitism out there 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.600 in terms of incidents and reported attacks and all sorts 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.120 of things like that, that islama phobia and that antisemitism 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.840 is a real scourge on our society that needs to 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.080 be stamped out. Because in my opinion, it is a 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:48.400 symptom of a deeper sickness in our society. The way 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.560 we combat it as a free society matters. And when 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.920 we are talking about limiting free speech, I think we 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.560 have to be very careful about either way calls to 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:06.000 restrict speech that might just be offensive, because frankly, I 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:10.120 think Australian society could do with more free speech, because 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.400 the best way to fight hate and bad ideas is 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.760 to expose them and fight them and argue back with 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:25.440 the truth and good ideas. Now, finally, while we're on 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.880 the subject of multiculturalism, which of course that touches, there 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:33.840 is an absolutely bonker's story out of the UK. You 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.240 need to know about why well, because things that happened 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.160 in the UK tend to wind up landing here in 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:44.080 Australia eventually. Now look at you're screen here. This girl 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.240 is Courtney, right, she's twelve. She's a British school girl 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.480 and she wore this Union jack dress to her schools 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:57.160 cultural celebration day recently. The only problem, well, the culture 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:02.440 she was celebrating was her own British culture. And I know, yeah, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.720 the Left says, oh well British, they don't have any culture. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.240 White people don't know culture. But there she was, and 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.639 she went in the dress, and she was turned back 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.520 and not allowed to participate, despite having prepared a whole 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.960 little speech about British culture and fun things like drinking 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.439 tea and the royal family. Here's her dad, Stewart Field, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.520 explaining precisely what happened. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:27.800 What did Courtney do? 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:33.040 She came home a few days before with a letter 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.399 saying that she was going to take part in the 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:40.320 Cultural Diversity Day at school. She wanted to pick her 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.640 own dress. Quite an independent younger went into school and 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.520 I had a phone called an hour from work saying 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.080 from Courtney saying that she wasn't allowed into school, that 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.920 she was being isolated, and what. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.959 Was she wearing that meant that she was not allowed 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:55.639 into school? 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.840 He was wearing the you would say, a typical Jerry 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:06.760 sort of stroke spos girl's union jack dress with a bolt. Yeah. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.720 Well, the school has since apologized sort of, and even 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.800 Labor Prime Minister Kiir Starbar's office has weighed in, with 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.840 a spokesperson saying, I think the school has put out 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.920 a statement on this, so I'm not going to comment further. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.960 But the Prime Minister has always been clear that being 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.680 British is something to be celebrated. Oh really, I think 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.600 that's kind of funny because it is in Britain, a 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.120 country where saying you are proud of your country or 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.240 that things like say Western culture is under threat from 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.160 mass migration can get you labeled a far right terrorist 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.080 ideologue by the government, and where tweeting about that sort 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.120 of thing can earn you a visit from the cops. 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.560 I'm not sure I'm buying Keir Starbar on this one here, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.440 but as I say, let's not get too cocky here, 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.840 because in many ways Australia is going down the same 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:04.639 path all right now as we know hot times in 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.720 Tasmania where they have been in a state of political 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.520 chaos since Premier Jeremy Rockliffe lost a motion of no 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.960 confidence last month, which has sent voters back to the 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.880 polls this Saturday in a snap election. How much fun 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.840 is democracy here? Joining me now to discuss is Matthew Denham, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.920 regional correspondent for The Australian. Matthew Denhalm. There have been 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:34.120 talks of another hung parliament. Give us your ideas here, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.080 what is the most likely result this Saturday. What's the tip. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.200 Well, look, it's much like it will be a hung parliament. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.199 It's very hard to see either major party Labor or 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:52.800 Liberal getting the required eighteen seats for a majority. So 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.119 really at the moment, the Liberals are on fourteen seats, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.840 Labors on ten. The polls are suggesting that the lib 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.240 are kind of holding their ground and Labors kind of 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.560 going nowhere. So it looks like a pretty similar result 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.280 to the one that basically resulted in a situation where 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.280 the parliament and the Premier couldn't get on. So it's 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:13.640 a pretty interesting time down here. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.200 Well, so if it's another hung parliament, what happens? How 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.040 does the state run itself? 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.480 Well, hopefully we won't have another election that would be 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.800 three within sixteen months, which would just be ridiculous. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:31.280 Two is bad enough. Look, hopefully there's number of scenarios. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.600 Really, I mean, you could have a very minority Labor 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:39.560 government supported by the Greens. Today the Sky News Debate 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:44.800 leaders debate, Dean went to the Labor leader under questioning 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.479 eventually kind of agreed that he would potentially govern with 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.160 Green support kind of passive support if you like, not 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.399 not a formal coalition. So that's a possibility with a 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.040 few independents thrown in. Or we could get the Liberal 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:03.159 Party trying to smooth things over with some independence and 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.200 and you know, win enough over to continue in minority 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:07.719 with independent support. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.080 Well let's have a little look at that debate. Here's 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.440 a bit of what the candidates had said. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:16.119 We just heard the premiere says extolling the virtues of 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.159 public ownership. Last month he wanted to sell a Royal 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:23.560 networks and past to get rid of it, extolling the 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.919 virtue I want to sell them. This is that you 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:27.639 believe school Guard debate, then. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:28.679 This is serious stuff. 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.240 This is for the Premier of Tasmania. 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.199 You cannot make things up. 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:32.560 I'm sorry. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.880 The person at this debate that has suggested we sell 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.760 energy assets is mister Winter. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.000 Go back to your tweets if you like, a few years. 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.040 Ago and now you say you never wanted to sell 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:46.400 energy energy outsets. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:47.600 You cannot make things up. 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.360 I'm making this o Matthew. That looks pretty fiery here. 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.200 But one of the things I've been fascinated by, and 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.040 I think a lot of people of the mainland are watching, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:01.040 is the question about Tazzi's AFL team, which now hangs 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.400 in the ballots ahead of the election. Now the Greens 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.760 and Cross batches apparently they're against this whole deal for 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.760 the AFL to come to Tasmania. Can you explain to 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:13.000 our viewers who might not be across all this, what 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:18.359 these possible outcomes could mean for this stadium in Hobart. 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.640 Yeah. Look, the stadium is a major issue. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:26.000 It's really divided opinion and there are people who post 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:27.879 for it for a very different reasons. Some people are 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.120 worried about the cost of it. It's about a billion dollars, 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.880 probably more because these things usually blow out even more 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.919 than they already have at a time in the States, 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.879 heading toward a record debt more than a doubling of 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:41.600 debt under this government. 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.200 Across the Ford Inestamates, so. 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.960 Antasi has a debt bomb and they're worried that really 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:51.520 this is just extending that. And other people are concerned 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.359 who live in the northwest or the north of the state. 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.600 They want the stadium to be at your park in 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.640 a lot of system which is more convenient for them. 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.040 So look there there's this overall, there's quite a bit 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.240 of opposition to the stadium, to the team. 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.240 Everyone wants the team, but. 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.360 The IFL has made it clear that the two go 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.960 hand in hand and they want they want a stadium 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.160 at that side in McCrory point that you're looking at. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:17.720 And if they don't get it, then Tessy doesn't get 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:23.160 the team. So really, the Greens and some of the 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.480 cross benches and independents are arguing that, well, you know, 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.720 maybe we could renegotiate the deal with the IFL. Look 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:33.240 that's possible, but so far the AFL has shown no 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:34.800 appetite for that whatsoever. 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:36.960 So the states are pretty. 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.760 High and it will be fascinating to see how far 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.320 either Labor or the liberals. Liberals will go in terms 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.720 of budging on that position in support for the stadium. 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.280 If there is a home Parliament and they need people support, 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.119 they're saying they're not budging on it. We'll just have 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:53.840 to wait and see. 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.160 Sport, money and politics makes for a fascinating contest. We'll 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.320 all be watching on Saturday. And good luck down there, 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.320 and how about one of my favorite cities. Thank you 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.560 so much, Matthew Dennel. Now stick around because after the 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.480 break we're gonna be joined by your favorite Bronwyn bishop 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.240 and a new face on Paul Murray Live. Ed Cavanaugh, 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.639 fascinating fella with a lot to say, So stick around, 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:24.120 don't go anywhere, We're gonna have some fun. Welcome back 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.640 to the program, Paul Murray Live. Here, James Morrow sitting 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:28.959 in for the Great Man throughout the week, and we 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.040