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Speaker 1: Five double A Nights with Matthew Pantellas councilor Henry Davis

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Speaker 1: has dropped by the council meeting. When did it start seven?

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Speaker 1: It's just finished ten started five hours, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good long slog that one. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's the last meeting of the year, so they've got

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Speaker 2: to shove all.

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Speaker 3: The stuff that we haven't done previously.

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Speaker 2: And you know there was a four hundred page submission

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Speaker 2: on planning code that we were meant to endorse by

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Speaker 2: the Minister at the last moment, so.

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Speaker 1: Right, it was full on, okay, all right. Hart Street

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Speaker 1: that's the one that has had the most publicity of late,

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Speaker 1: and it seems a sensible decision has been reached after

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Speaker 1: and how is it that the poor traders particularly get

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Speaker 1: put through the mill don't know what's going on for

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Speaker 1: a year or so, the threat of bike lanes going

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Speaker 1: in and like big ones as in Hut Street, Frame

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Speaker 1: Street and taking out a lane of traffic during the day,

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Speaker 1: twenty hours a day, and they're worried about the futures,

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Speaker 1: thinking do we shut up? What's going to happens exactly?

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Speaker 1: And that's absolutely yeah, we've got a sensible solution. We do.

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Speaker 2: It's Option B with a result like a revised option BE.

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Speaker 2: So it's Option B that keeps one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: car parks out of one hundred and thirty two.

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Speaker 3: It's an amazing result.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was absolutely ecstatic in the gallery tonight. There was

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Speaker 2: it was a completely packed standing room only in the council.

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Speaker 2: They didn't stick around for the audit report. But you know,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, that's fine, you know, so you know, it

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Speaker 2: was actually quite funny. We got the result we wanted

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Speaker 2: after you know, three and a half years of fighting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's quite funny, very anti climactic. So we all

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Speaker 2: put the vote, all those in favor, all those against division,

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Speaker 2: we stand upsit down and then everyone's just sitting there,

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Speaker 2: just s doune going and then the Lord is like

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Speaker 2: please leave, and like did it happen? And then I

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Speaker 2: like I had to go outside and did we win?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you were?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The vote.

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Speaker 3: What were the numbers?

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Speaker 2: So it was I think it was six in favor

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Speaker 2: and four five four again something so close. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: actually I think there was three against. Yeah, so but

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Speaker 2: it was close, like.

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Speaker 1: One of their right mind would want to put in

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Speaker 1: a big bike lane, like like Frame Street, turn Hout

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Speaker 1: Street into Frime.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing is it's like, this is

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Speaker 2: the problem with local government particularly is that you get

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Speaker 2: elected by small minority groups and it's about activated people.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the problem is that a lot of

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Speaker 2: business owners don't vote in the council elections. So what

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Speaker 2: that means is that small interest groups push ideology and

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Speaker 2: their agendas. So the bike group they're very organized, the

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Speaker 2: left are very organized, and the conservatives are like, oh no,

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Speaker 2: we'll just trust everyone to make the right decision.

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Speaker 3: Right, and then all of.

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Speaker 2: A sudden it comes to the vote and they go, well,

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Speaker 2: hold on, who's in this chamber representing me? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's seventy five percent of the rates get paid by business,

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Speaker 2: and what number of business owners are actually representing on

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Speaker 2: a council. It's actually a minority.

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Speaker 3: It's only like.

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Speaker 2: Four out of twelve. So it's a big problem. It's

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Speaker 2: a big problem. And then there's you know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to put different interests. You've got those residents, you've got

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Speaker 2: interest groups, and then you've got actual ratepayers.

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Speaker 3: But I'm so happy with the outcome. It's been such

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Speaker 3: a slog.

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Speaker 1: When's it going to be built?

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Speaker 2: So it's going to take about ten months or ten

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Speaker 2: to eighteen months of detailed design and then it will

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Speaker 2: get started after that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so a year away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before we actually start. That's an idea. So it's

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Speaker 2: a great result.

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Speaker 1: That's good. What the heck we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: earlier with a couple of people on the air. What

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Speaker 1: the heck happened at the end of Hut Street where

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Speaker 1: South Terrace where you've got that dip you fall into.

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Speaker 1: What's that about? I know it's to stop flooding in

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Speaker 1: that building.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: But that is the worst traffic design ever for a

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Speaker 1: bravery road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is one of the advantage. So I

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Speaker 2: don't live in the city. I'm a city councilor, but

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Speaker 2: I have businesses in the city. I live in Allgates,

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Speaker 2: so I drive down there and that's a good thing

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Speaker 2: about having counselors who live outside. I drive over that

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Speaker 2: like that did every morning and I've got a jeep

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Speaker 2: Rubicon with massive wheels and it struggles. Okay, it's it's

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Speaker 2: I'm basically need to put into forward drive. So look,

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Speaker 2: it needs to get resolved because you just smack it.

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Speaker 1: You do.

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Speaker 3: It's like an inverse speed bump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a it's its opposite. It's a ditch.

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Speaker 1: As you said, that's what it is. You fall into it.

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Speaker 2: It's completely terribly designed. So I'll pick it up with

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Speaker 2: the administration see if we can fill it in. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if just backfill it and try and smooth

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Speaker 2: it out a little bit. But it's like, wow, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy you spent millions and millions on this thing

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Speaker 2: and then hit like just hard well did the work

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Speaker 2: experience kid designed it? Look, you're gonna give everyone a got.

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Speaker 1: One of the issues tonight was the Lord Meyre's trip

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Speaker 1: to Rio and the expenses. Then we hear a lot

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Speaker 1: about Annika Wells. Does janelmex Smith fill into that gategy?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, Look, I'm against the junket, I'm against spending

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Speaker 2: the rate payers money. But no, the Lord mad doesn't

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Speaker 2: spill into that level of expenditure. But I think it

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Speaker 2: was about you know, it's a it's ten grand or so, okay,

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Speaker 2: so it's it's it's.

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Speaker 3: In that ilk.

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Speaker 2: But she received funding from an outside organization, so somebody

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Speaker 2: else paid for it. And now what I want to

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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of is that Local Government Association

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Speaker 2: also spent money on this. Okay, so the city council

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Speaker 2: didn't necessarily spend it, but a whole bunch of mayors

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Speaker 2: from across the council. So I'm actually working with other

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Speaker 2: councilors in other areas trying to figure out who paid

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Speaker 2: for what, how much really was and how this all

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Speaker 2: came about, because you know, the Lord Mayor told me

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Speaker 2: that the there was no bid to the Local Government

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Speaker 2: Association to put in money, and yet they were paying

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Speaker 2: for things, and yet you know, people are telling me

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Speaker 2: there's absolutely communication. So there's a bit of a We've

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Speaker 2: figure out exactly how this came about and how all

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Speaker 2: these mayors from around you know, Adelaide were all invited

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Speaker 2: to go on this junket over to Rio for zero

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Speaker 2: outcome and to secure an event that would lose US

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Speaker 2: net one point five billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Terrible outcome.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not for the city ultimately, though, is it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't found any person that goes, damn, we didn't

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Speaker 1: get it.

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Speaker 2: No, that's me, No, absolutely, But there's heaps of people

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Speaker 2: who say, damn, we didn't get it. Really, yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I posted a video about it when we lost the nomination.

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Speaker 2: Money's not free, okay, So if you're spending one point

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Speaker 2: five billion dollars of the federal money or you're spending

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Speaker 2: you know, it might be some kind of BOOSTI of shure,

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Speaker 2: But look like the Sydney Olympics, you know, things like that,

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Speaker 2: these big events, they always lose money, so you've gotta

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Speaker 2: be careful about it. And just kind of jet setting

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Speaker 2: around the world trying to secure events that never come

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Speaker 2: to fruition completely diverts what we're supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 2: And it's this kind of you know, big visionary hope thing. Sure,

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Speaker 2: but we don't even maintain our city, you know. So

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Speaker 2: let's get that right and focus on that. And there

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Speaker 2: should be like an optional extra. But I actually don't

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Speaker 2: think it was going to bring any not to not

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Speaker 2: to Australia. It wasn't a good event for Australia, right,

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Speaker 2: And that's a problem exactly.

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Speaker 1: No one was in favor of it coming.

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Speaker 2: No, And look is everyone going to reown now because

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Speaker 2: they held cop No, you know, they cleared a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of rainforest.

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Speaker 3: You get everyone there.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the wildest.

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Speaker 1: Of the earth. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And we'll just put a road yeah and say it's green.

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Speaker 3: Well it was green.

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll replant all the trees after we cut

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Speaker 2: them down. That's crazy, yeah, uh it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And look, I think we've got to look at these

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Speaker 2: things more of an operational kind of way. Like our

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Speaker 2: debt here in South Australia is just ballooning. There would

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Speaker 2: absolutely be a contribution from the state government, there would

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Speaker 2: absolutely be a contribution from the city council. All undisclosed.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is with hyping these things up, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is just amazing, we have to get it, we

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Speaker 2: on it. And see, they don't tell you that. So

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Speaker 2: I voted for the for the mayor to go over

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Speaker 2: to beginning and then then you actually realize the costs

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Speaker 2: of it, and I've basically voted for Australia to lose

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Speaker 2: one point five billion, but they don't put that in

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Speaker 2: their reports.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so and you regret that decision obviously, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: They don't tell you what is going to cost. And

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Speaker 2: now you look at it and go, well, that was

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Speaker 2: a waste of time.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, anything else come out of tonight that

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Speaker 1: you need to tell us about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, behavioral management policies, it's so important. Yeah, okay, you

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Speaker 2: know how everyone's wasting codes of conduct codes of conduct?

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The problem is, in my view, the way that these policies,

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Speaker 2: we're spending all this fortune on lawyers for counselors to

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Speaker 2: attack each other. They set up this system basically which

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Speaker 2: weaponizes codes of conduct so a counselor might say something,

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Speaker 2: and we've seen resignations across this across the local government sector,

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Speaker 2: in Mount Barker and the Hills, all over the place,

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Speaker 2: there's been mass resignations and that's because of these processes

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Speaker 2: that in my view, that they're designed and created to

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Speaker 2: terror part relationships so that they become you know, a

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Speaker 2: small wound then proves fatal. So I really want to

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Speaker 2: the council should adopt a process that kind of heals

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Speaker 2: those wounds and is you know, focused on mediation and

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Speaker 2: settling these things. But this process really just destroys relationships

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Speaker 2: and then the ratepayers are going, why are you all fighting? Well,

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Speaker 2: this process is so bloody it's so toxic, it's so awful.

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Speaker 2: There's lawyers involved, there's so much pressure, and then all

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Speaker 2: these threats and at the end of it, it's like

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Speaker 2: a slap on the rest and nothing happens, and rappays

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Speaker 2: don't care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Takes possage in.

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Speaker 2: Council tens of thousands of dollars, you know, and they're

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Speaker 2: trying to hook you on this thing.

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Speaker 1: And rape payers have no idea any of this is

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Speaker 1: going on anyway, because right payers don't care about.

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Speaker 2: Counts, right, and well, they just want them to get

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Speaker 2: on with the job. That's right, you know, just get

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Speaker 2: that's that's what really needs fixing.

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Speaker 1: All we want is roads without ditches in them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's allful. Yeah, what kind of utopia do

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Speaker 1: I know what happened with Sarah game.

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Speaker 2: So we had strategic differences about how we run this campaign.

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Speaker 2: So we have one hundred thousand dollars to run a campaign.

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Speaker 2: Now that we had to be very, very efficient with

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Speaker 2: minor party, they would give me five thousand dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So in order to reach.

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Speaker 2: Two million people, I have two thousand dollars. That is impossible.

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Speaker 2: So the only way to win is to run forty

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Speaker 2: as a upper House candidate. This system is absolutely broken

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Speaker 3: And when I'm really.

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Speaker 2: Conn yeah, brand new, this is the This is their

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Speaker 2: I get two thousand dollars right, And so how am

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Speaker 2: I meant to compete with eight million dollars from the

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's impossible. It's impossible. And what's what

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Speaker 2: I've seen happen in social media is all these influencers

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Speaker 3: Is very, very weak.

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Speaker 2: And I think that Labor Party in South Australia saw

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Speaker 2: They voted for these laws and basically what it meant

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Speaker 1: The Liberals are going to struggle to get thirty.

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Speaker 3: Right, twenty four percent.

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Speaker 2: So if you couldn't win and even hold your seats

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Speaker 2: and they'll become uncontestable. And of course, you know, one nation,

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, Henry, really appreciate your time tonight dropping by.

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Speaker 1: If had a big day in a big afternoon. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. And you're going to stand again next

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Speaker 3: For counsel.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I've got some announcements to make in the

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Speaker 3: You know, look, I'm really worried.

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Speaker 2: About the future of this country. I'm really really worried.

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Speaker 2: I'm not interested in being in opposition forever. You can't

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Speaker 2: and actually reform the country.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I want to put my energy into.

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Speaker 2: And I feel really passionate about this, and I think

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Speaker 2: be a part of. Local government is really really really important.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people pass over it.

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Speaker 2: We need really good strong business with people with business

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Speaker 2: acumen and entrepreneurship and intelligence to be on local government.

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Speaker 3: I've been here for twelve years, so.

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Speaker 2: But you know, absolutely I would run again if the

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Speaker 2: opportunity was there, and if, you know, if there wasn't

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Speaker 2: something else going on.

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Speaker 1: I guess thanks for coming in tonight.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Counselor Henry Davis from the Adelaide City Counts