WEBVTT - #1913 Hit Snooze, You Lose - Patrick Bonello 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.880 I'll good a team. It's Patrick can Jumbo. It's the 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.120 Bloody You Project where sans Tiff. She's in the thriving 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.879 metropolis of Brisbane up there on the O in the 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.440 Sunshine State, I should say, just doing what she does. Hi, mate, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:15.960 how are you? 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.760 Oh? I'm good. I haven't been to bris Vegas for 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.040 such a long time. I was just thinking, it's probably 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.400 been nine years since I've been up that far up 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.920 and I'm kind of feeling like I need it at 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.360 the moment because it's three degrees there's a heat wave 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.600 here in the land at the moment. It was minus 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.280 two when I got up this morning, so it's positively 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.200 a heat wave in comparison. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.559 Do you know you know that you're old? You and 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.680 I know that we're old because we talk about the weather. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.680 I mean, that's the tally. What old people do? Old people? 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.480 There's no twenty year olds getting on a podcast going ah, 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.280 how's the weather? Ah? Fuck? What was it? I was 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.239 minus too here now. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.240 I can tell you if you live in a town 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.720 where your car's frozen over, people all talk about the 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.400 weather and those poor kids walking to school and yours. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:02.520 Oh yeah, I couldn't do it. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.679 Well, I have many memories growing up in the thriving 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.120 metropolis of La tro Valley having to go out and 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.000 the ice the window of the Valiant Regal a number 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.640 plate LVR four one four, just in case anyone was wondering. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.680 And so I was in charge of getting the ice 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.039 off the window before mum or Dad could drive me 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.080 to either school or the bus wherever I was gone. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.880 And but you've got a hack, yep? 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.520 Yeah, the night before what you do is you get 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.399 a beach towel and you put it over the wind screen. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.640 So last night, knowing that it was going to be 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.479 freezing cold this morning, laid the towel out, and then 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.440 just before I left to go to the gym this morning, 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.680 I peeled the towel off the wind screen. It was 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.480 all frozen on one side and the wind screen was 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:52.240 perfectly fine. 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.200 Yeah, that's a good idea. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:55.320 It's a good hack, isn't it. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:02.160 Yeah, it's great. And do you do you have to do? 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.200 You have to do anything too, because I feel I 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.280 could see they're going to slide down or blow away. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.000 Do you need to tuck it inside the doors? 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.120 Some people do, and that's what I used to do. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.040 But then I realized the only time you have frost 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.360 is when there's no wind. Anyway, if it's windy, it 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.240 doesn't get frosty. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.519 I did not. Well, I guess that make I've never 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.040 thought about that, but I guess that makes sense. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.800 Yeah. Hey, you know the other thing you're talking about 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.240 getting up early, going to school, and you got driven 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.120 to school. But I had to walk to school. You know, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.560 when I was young, I walked forty kilometers to school 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.560 every day. No, when I walked to school. You don't 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.320 My funnest thing I used to love to do. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:38.959 Is that a word? 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:39.920 Funnest? Probably is? 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.480 It is totally, It's totally a word. Yeah. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.399 I used to love walking through the suburbs and when 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.799 they had that frost on the grass, and as you 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.800 walk through, it would leave footprints. And what I would 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.640 do is when I got to a tree, I would 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.920 hop around the left hand side on one foot and 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.360 then hop back the other way, And then it looked 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.720 like for all intensive purposes, when someone walked past that, 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.560 the footprints diverged and went around the tree, so. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.079 They somehow morphed through the tree and kept walking. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:13.120 Yeah. Pretty good. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.639 Wow, Yeah, great. I wonder how many people you scared 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:17.320 the shit out of. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.840 I don't know. I reckon that the X Files people 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.600 were out there, or at least the Twilight certain people, 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.520 I don't know, no one probably, but it amused me 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.040 and it was a way to get the school freezing 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.480 cold and at least do something. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.240 And it's good to you told me just before we 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.520 hit the go button that you're back in the gym. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.320 How long since you've trained consistently in a gym? Was 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.280 it back in the harpst. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.560 Days or oh no, no, no, no, I've been training quite consistently. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.480 But I had a really big break last year. For 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.560 for a year, I got tennis elbow and it took 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.400 me a long, long, long time to get over it. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.640 But I think since I left Harpers, I kind of 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.920 had a break for maybe two or three years, and 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.240 then I got back into it and I reckon consistently. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.640 I've been back for about maybe seven or eight years 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.200 and then had last year off. You know, just isn't 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.960 it funny? It's a psychological game. You know, you've got 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.400 to talk yourself back into it and when the pain 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.560 started to go, and you know, at one point the 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.800 tennis elbow funny, I never played tennis ever played tennis, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.680 but I just I couldn't even pick up a bag 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.240 of groceries with one arm. It was really, really bad. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.240 And I did the whole physio. I think I went 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.680 to about two different physios and got exercises which I'm 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.520 pretty average at doing. You know, they tell you to 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.040 do these exercises every day and you don't really do them, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.159 which is silly because that's how you recover. Anyway, So 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.520 I'm back into it. It's been a month and I 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.839 think I need probably another is it two or three 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.880 more weeks to kind of establish a routine, although I 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.880 feel like I'm in a routine now. I didn't want 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.080 to get out of bit this morning when it was 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.560 minus two, but I did and I got there. So 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:54.960 I reckon, I'm doing okay. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.800 And what are you doing? Like, what's you kind of 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.279 three days a week way to doing like strength stuff? 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.240 You're doing funtial it's pretty much. 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.680 So I do four days a week of strength and 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.280 it's a real full body you know, legs, arms, chest, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.720 back by tries, all that sort of stuff. And then 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.960 I recently read an article. I used to do just 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.719 eight to ten minutes on the rower as my cardio, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.200 and I used to do it before I did weights, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.920 and then I read an article that said it's actually 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.159 better if you want to burn fat, it's better to 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.520 do it after you've done weights, and so I've started 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.960 doing that. So I've flipped it around a little bit. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.719 So once I finished my workout, I do about thirty 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.120 five forty minutes, and then I do a ten minute 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:40.839 you know, eight to ten minute on the rower. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.640 That's good. And do you flog yourself or you're just 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:44.880 steady state or. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.360 Pardon it to public gym? 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:47.760 Sorry? 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.240 Do I go a little hard? Yeah? Now you know 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.720 what's interesting. I go relatively hard. I don't I mean, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.520 I don't kill myself with cardio. But over at the 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.640 last month, my speed has increased. A little rower has 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.000 an indicator of how fast you're going, and finding that 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.839 I'm just I'm getting faster without working too much hard, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.719 which it doesn't feel like I'm working harder. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.000 Yeah, you know you, I feel like we're pouring the 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.520 fuck out of everyone listening to the topic at hand. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.520 But what's interesting about you is, I don't know how 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.120 long we've known each other. It's got to be in 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.560 the ballpark of thirty years. But your body is pretty 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:31.760 much the same. Like it doesn't seem to me like, well, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.039 you know, like thirty years down the track, most blokes, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.599 well now they're like their postures, shit, they're they're a 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.920 bit they're a bit fatter, they're you know, like that. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.760 It's like the guys that I went to school with. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.359 Oh yeah, God bless them. It's like, fucking hell, I 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.960 can't even some of them look good. But there's a 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.200 few that's like, wow, there's father time has not been 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.520 good to you, or maybe you've just been haven't looking 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.880 after you, haven't been looking after you, but you still 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:01.680 look kind of the same. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.920 Well thanks, mate, that's what it's so to you though, 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.640 you was just so buffing, you know. That's I don't 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.840 think your body shapes been pretty consistent. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.480 That's because I'm insecure and to like me, Yeah. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.080 I'm pretty over the same, I reckon. That's one of 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.760 the reasons. It's a good motivation. Though. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.440 Wow, I don't know if it's a good motivation, but 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:23.240 it's a motivation. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.800 You know. I shouldn't admit this, but there's a little 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.840 bit of one upmanship as well, because I have an 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:32.080 identical twin brother and it's just hard not to comparee 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:36.440 yourself all the time. And because look, you know, when 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.480 my mom passed away just over ten years ago, I 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:40.840 had to go. I went out and bought a black 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.040 suit because I didn't known a black suit, so I 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.840 bought a suit. And that's when I started hitting the 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.720 gym again. So I got back into the gym. And 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.000 then after about oh maybe six months, I realized I 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.480 dropped about two sizes and the suit didn't fit me. 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.120 So I went on my brother's place and I said 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.360 to my brother, look, you know you were in a 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.600 kind of high end business. You know you wear suits 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.280 all the time. Do you want this suit? I've only 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.840 worn it once and I said it doesn't fit me anymore. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.360 It's too big. And he said, well, why don't you 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.720 hold onto it until you fit into it again. It's like, no, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.920 I never want to be able to fit into it. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.679 And so, you know, two sizes too big, and I 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.480 gave it. I don't know if if he wore it 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.680 or whether it fit him or whatever, but after dropping 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.640 two sizes, it was just too big. But that's a 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.640 nice feeling to be able to drop a couple of 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.720 sizes and then to keep yourself motivated not to fill 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:32.360 the suit. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.920 Out again, are you guys identical or no? 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:40.200 Yeah, we're genetically identical yep, and single organism. We started 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.360 off as some of us didn't progress much further. But yeah, now. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.640 Do you and he have I don't think you do. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:55.160 But you know how some identical twins it's like freakishly 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.320 intertwined with each other's lives. I know that's not you, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.080 but all you know that whole thing where you've seen 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.640 people on Telly finishing each other's sentences. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.680 It was a viral video of those women in Queensland. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.680 Did you see that? Wow? That was that was amazing, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.120 wasn't it. No, I what I've observed with twins, there 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.120 are some twins that are almost joined at the hip, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.360 and then you've got other twins that are almost mirror 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.199 images of each other in terms of and I mean 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.800 biologically mirror images. Like you know, I've got one crooked 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.960 tooth that's the exact opposite twisted tooth than he has, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.320 like mirror image. But but no, we have had some 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:34.839 freaky I don't know if I've told you about the 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.800 freaky things that happened. So my brother's name is Paul 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.720 and consistently, at least three or four times a year, 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.199 I'll be on the phone to someone I know relatively well, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.880 or it'll be a call center where we start off 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.040 a conversation and then halfway through the conversation they stopped 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.440 calling me Patrick and they start calling me Paul. Wow, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.480 local politician I've known for about five or six years, 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.280 and she turned to me one day and called me Paul. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.600 And I've known it for years and years and years. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.480 So that's a bit freaky. But the freakiest thing I 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.120 think that ever happened. I don't know if you remember. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.880 At one point in harp As, I had what do 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.120 they call little flavor, say, but the little little beard 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:16.920 thing they have under the lip, Remember I had. I 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:17.800 wore that for a while. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:19.240 Yeah, yeah, I don't know what. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.400 Well, one year I decided I was going to grow 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.040 a go tea just before Christmas, so maybe six weeks 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.600 before Christmas, I grew a full go tea. You know, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.079 thought I'm gonna look tough, white Craig. Anyway, so a 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.640 mum and dad I was living. I was obviously not 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.280 living at home anymore, but I go around to the 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.680 folks place for Christmas Day, and Mum got to the 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.800 front door, first opens the door and says, you've been 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.480 talking to your brother, haven't you? And I said, what, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.720 I walk in and my identical twin brother has grown 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:56.760 the exact same go tea. Wow, that freaked me out. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.880 I shaved it off and was that. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.840 The first time both of you had ever done it 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:01.440 in your life? 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.200 Never neither of us had ever grown a go tea. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.080 And it wasn't like suddenly people were growing them like. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:08.440 It wasn't like the mullet thing. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:09.240 No. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.720 Yeah, yeah, so that was really really strange. That's a 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:15.840 few weird things have happened. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.920 Yeah, I don't know. There's something in that. There's something 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.199 in that. And some some twins are a little bit weird, 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.440 though some are a bit disconcerting. I feel like they're 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.520 too intertwined. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.360 Well, I guess in our case there's the good twin 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.280 and the evil twin. And I think we know Paul's 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.080 the good twin, don't we do? 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.840 We do? But also what else is interesting is that 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.720 you like boys who likes girls. That that's interesting, like 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.280 genetically identical, you know, So that. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.880 About how don't have to tell you the story about 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.360 how I added myself. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.679 Uh, I think you did. But let's about half of 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.480 our audience or more who haven't heard it. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.040 Well, the ones that are still left because the rest 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:02.880 of them have switched off, because this is the shit 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.920 to start to any podcast. Where's Tiff when you need 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.480 it now? I did a TV show years ago. There 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.880 was a TV show on TV show and Channel seven 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.880 called it was Australia's Most Identical Twins, and it was 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.200 just a remaker of a British show and they got 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.280 I think eighty four sets of identical twins from around 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.880 the country and they got us to do a whole 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.720 series of tests. So they got us to do coordination tests, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.640 so you know those dance you know, video arcades sometimes 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.880 you had these ending platforms you did that. They did 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.439 our dental records. That's how I knew that my teeth 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.440 were the exact mirror image of my brother, which is 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.080 really common in twins. We did everything from coordination. We 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.280 did a blind chocolate test, so they put a you know, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.200 they got you to taste different chocolates to see which 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.280 one you liked, and they measured you against your twin brother. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.960 But I knew one of the producers of the show, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.520 and I knew that there was no chance that Paul 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.320 and I would be even remotely Australia's most identical twins. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.160 We're so different. And so right at the end of 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.280 this series of you know, activities we have to go through, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.560 we had a couch interview separately and they asked us 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.720 a series of questions. But it was a bit loaded 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.560 because I knew that I was going to be asked 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.000 the question, and so the final question was, so, you know, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.319 how similar do you really think you are? I said, Oh, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.480 we're really similar. We've got all these things in common. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.800 And then there's of course, well he's I'm gain he's not. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.720 And that was the little clincher, like that little tagline, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:30.520 and they used that. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:31.080 In the como. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.319 So so what happened was when it went to air 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.800 they used that bit and it was great. It just 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.760 took all the pressure off because all my friends and 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.719 everybody was watching the show and I conveniently just like, nah, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.120 I'm just going to app myself and that. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.840 How many of your friends went? Oh? Well, of course, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.360 how many people went? Fuck? I didn't see that coming. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.160 Oh look it's the close close circle of most of 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.640 them already knew. Anyway, the closer ish, probably suspected. And 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:10.120 then the the you know, the occasional people might have 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.120 been a bit surprised. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.600 I don't know, the old Maltese relatives just you know, 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.040 raising their eyebrows hysterically. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.480 No, but I've got I've got a small little section 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.880 of mum's family in Malta that refused to meet with 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.160 me and uncle and his family. So when I went 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.720 over there, did the whole trip. I tried to make 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.120 arrangements to meet up. And it's like, I wonder why 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.800 he never seems to be available and his family never 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.360 seems to be available. I'm only here for two weeks. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.360 And then I took aside one of my other cousins 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.080 and I said, as has that uncle got a problem 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.240 you reckon with me being gay? And she said, yeah 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.640 it is. It's like, oh, okay, that's all right. Then 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.280 I don't want to see him either. Then hew h. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.240 That's one of the things about religion that bothers me. Yeah, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.720 that would be for religious reasons. It actually was, Yeah, No, 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:01.760 it was for religious anyway. Anyway, all right, let's talk 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.240 about let's talk about the thing that you're good at, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:09.480 or one of the many Let's talk about let's talk 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.960 about the ever shifting landscape that is technology. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.080 You know, I've got this love hate relationship with AI, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.720 and I was reading an article recently see the Great 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.840 Firewall of China. China has a lot of control over 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.720 what people see and do, and in terms of the 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.600 electronic side of I guess a lot of efforts put 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:37.320 into sanitizing and controlling what the masses are able to access. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.360 So you can't use Facebook, you can't use Google, you 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.800 can't use Instagram or anything when you're in China. There 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.440 are the equivalent Chinese equivalents of those, but this really 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:51.480 struck home to me that China literally shut down. They're 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:58.320 using AI their entire nationwide access for students, for people 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.360 to be able to access AI during exams. So they 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.680 have this one period of the year where they had 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.280 these major exams, like the I guess the VCE exams 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.200 that we have, they turned off a whole lot of 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.160 AI features right around the entire country just so that 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.280 I think it's thirteen million students were doing exams, and 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.040 so they switched all these features off so that they 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.400 couldn't cheat during exams during the exam work. That seems unfair, well, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.080 It's kind of amazing, isn't it that you can flick 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.360 a switch. That's the disconcerting thing. But you know, on 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.400 the other side of that, it's now there was a 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.120 really interesting article on the ABC in the last week 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.080 or so that was talking about the anniversary of Tianamin 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:45.280 Square and how now the kind of communications directorate in 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:50.360 China is sanitizing the history and trying to erase that 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.440 from all of their records. So if you go to 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.000 the deep, if you go on to you know, one 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:01.400 of the like the AI search tools of Chinese AI 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.200 search tools, and you type in you know, what happened 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.119 during the Tianamin Square massacre, it won't give you any information. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.080 It doesn't exist as far as far as concerned. So, 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.600 you know, it's nice to live in a country where 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.520 we have free media and ability to be able to 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.800 talk about whatever we're talking about. But when you can 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:25.400 erase history and effectively, that's exactly what the Chinese government's doing. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.600 So whether you're turning off AI or using AI to 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:34.640 sanitize what is historically, you know, information is just disappearing. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.960 So there will be a lot of young people in China. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.440 Three was it twenty six years ago, tianam in Square 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.120 or so something like that. So there'll be all these 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.919 young people who have no knowledge of what happened in Square. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.639 That's that's kind of frightening too, isn't it. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:53.199 Well? I mean yeah, one, yes, and then two you 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.120 think about how different versions of that play out all 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.919 around the world in different ways. I mean North Korea 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:06.000 and you know, even I don't know even in western countries. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:10.600 I think, how much do we actually know about what 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:18.199 gets withheld that we don't know about? Or I was 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.280 talking to somebody recently on the podcast and we were 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:27.199 talking about how the the shifting landscape of technology but 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.680 also AI that we're talking about right now, but also 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:36.560 in terms of education, and it's it's so interesting because 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.359 I don't know how it's going to play out, especially 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.720 in say a secondary school kind of setting, an undergraduate 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.000 university setting, where you can kind of get AI to 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.320 do the work, you know, to do your to do 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.919 your projects, to do your literature reviews, to do you know, 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.240 all of the things that you can. You know, it's 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.119 different with, for example, what I'm doing because I'm running 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.320 my own research and getting my own data and it's 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.600 all brand new. But for people who say I've got 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.439 to do a two thousand report, two thousand word report 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.320 on Tianaman Square, and you live in Australia, you can 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.960 just go, you know, write me, give me an overview, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:26.159 use references and quotes, and then it gets produced and 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.639 you're like, yeah, now write it like a year eleven 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.920 student who's pretty smart. Well they're not an academic. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.240 Yeah. Well. The other interesting thing is that CEOs now 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.360 in Silicon Valley. What they're doing is there's a new 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:46.240 startup that's using AI to effectively clone the CEO. So 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.600 what they're doing is they're putting all of their public appearances, 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.480 anything they've ever written, all of their emails, that anything 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.840 they can ga gather electronically about the principles, the way 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.119 that they speak, all the different thought processes that have 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.600 been saved, and they're uploading it and then the CEOs 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.560 who are all megabusy. What they're doing is if junior 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.440 staffers want to speak to the CEO, they're speaking to 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:16.440 the CEOs AI instead. So if you're if you're if 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.639 you've pulled up every assignment you've ever written for the 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:23.600 last two years, and you send every email you've ever sent, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.320 you don't have to make it sound like a year 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.720 eleven student. Just make it sound like you, because it'd 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.440