Speaker 1: I'll good a team. It's Patrick can Jumbo. It's the
Speaker 1: Bloody You Project where sans Tiff. She's in the thriving
Speaker 1: metropolis of Brisbane up there on the O in the
Speaker 1: Sunshine State, I should say, just doing what she does. Hi, mate,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm good. I haven't been to bris Vegas for
Speaker 2: such a long time. I was just thinking, it's probably
Speaker 2: been nine years since I've been up that far up
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of feeling like I need it at
Speaker 2: the moment because it's three degrees there's a heat wave
Speaker 2: here in the land at the moment. It was minus
Speaker 2: two when I got up this morning, so it's positively
Speaker 2: a heat wave in comparison.
Speaker 1: Do you know you know that you're old? You and
Speaker 1: I know that we're old because we talk about the weather.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the tally. What old people do? Old people?
Speaker 1: There's no twenty year olds getting on a podcast going ah,
Speaker 1: how's the weather? Ah? Fuck? What was it? I was
Speaker 1: minus too here now.
Speaker 2: I can tell you if you live in a town
Speaker 2: where your car's frozen over, people all talk about the
Speaker 2: weather and those poor kids walking to school and yours.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I have many memories growing up in the thriving
Speaker 1: metropolis of La tro Valley having to go out and
Speaker 1: the ice the window of the Valiant Regal a number
Speaker 1: plate LVR four one four, just in case anyone was wondering.
Speaker 1: And so I was in charge of getting the ice
Speaker 1: off the window before mum or Dad could drive me
Speaker 1: to either school or the bus wherever I was gone.
Speaker 1: And but you've got a hack, yep?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the night before what you do is you get
Speaker 2: a beach towel and you put it over the wind screen.
Speaker 2: So last night, knowing that it was going to be
Speaker 2: freezing cold this morning, laid the towel out, and then
Speaker 2: just before I left to go to the gym this morning,
Speaker 2: I peeled the towel off the wind screen. It was
Speaker 2: all frozen on one side and the wind screen was
Speaker 2: perfectly fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: It's a good hack, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. And do you do you have to do?
Speaker 1: You have to do anything too, because I feel I
Speaker 1: could see they're going to slide down or blow away.
Speaker 1: Do you need to tuck it inside the doors?
Speaker 2: Some people do, and that's what I used to do.
Speaker 2: But then I realized the only time you have frost
Speaker 2: is when there's no wind. Anyway, if it's windy, it
Speaker 2: doesn't get frosty.
Speaker 1: I did not. Well, I guess that make I've never
Speaker 1: thought about that, but I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, you know the other thing you're talking about
Speaker 2: getting up early, going to school, and you got driven
Speaker 2: to school. But I had to walk to school. You know,
Speaker 2: when I was young, I walked forty kilometers to school
Speaker 2: every day. No, when I walked to school. You don't
Speaker 2: My funnest thing I used to love to do.
Speaker 1: Is that a word?
Speaker 2: Funnest? Probably is?
Speaker 1: It is totally, It's totally a word. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to love walking through the suburbs and when
Speaker 2: they had that frost on the grass, and as you
Speaker 2: walk through, it would leave footprints. And what I would
Speaker 2: do is when I got to a tree, I would
Speaker 2: hop around the left hand side on one foot and
Speaker 2: then hop back the other way, And then it looked
Speaker 2: like for all intensive purposes, when someone walked past that,
Speaker 2: the footprints diverged and went around the tree, so.
Speaker 1: They somehow morphed through the tree and kept walking.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty good.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, great. I wonder how many people you scared
Speaker 1: the shit out of.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I reckon that the X Files people
Speaker 2: were out there, or at least the Twilight certain people,
Speaker 2: I don't know, no one probably, but it amused me
Speaker 2: and it was a way to get the school freezing
Speaker 2: cold and at least do something.
Speaker 1: And it's good to you told me just before we
Speaker 1: hit the go button that you're back in the gym.
Speaker 1: How long since you've trained consistently in a gym? Was
Speaker 1: it back in the harpst.
Speaker 2: Days or oh no, no, no, no, I've been training quite consistently.
Speaker 2: But I had a really big break last year. For
Speaker 2: for a year, I got tennis elbow and it took
Speaker 2: me a long, long, long time to get over it.
Speaker 2: But I think since I left Harpers, I kind of
Speaker 2: had a break for maybe two or three years, and
Speaker 2: then I got back into it and I reckon consistently.
Speaker 2: I've been back for about maybe seven or eight years
Speaker 2: and then had last year off. You know, just isn't
Speaker 2: it funny? It's a psychological game. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: to talk yourself back into it and when the pain
Speaker 2: started to go, and you know, at one point the
Speaker 2: tennis elbow funny, I never played tennis ever played tennis,
Speaker 2: but I just I couldn't even pick up a bag
Speaker 2: of groceries with one arm. It was really, really bad.
Speaker 2: And I did the whole physio. I think I went
Speaker 2: to about two different physios and got exercises which I'm
Speaker 2: pretty average at doing. You know, they tell you to
Speaker 2: do these exercises every day and you don't really do them,
Speaker 2: which is silly because that's how you recover. Anyway, So
Speaker 2: I'm back into it. It's been a month and I
Speaker 2: think I need probably another is it two or three
Speaker 2: more weeks to kind of establish a routine, although I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in a routine now. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to get out of bit this morning when it was
Speaker 2: minus two, but I did and I got there. So
Speaker 2: I reckon, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1: And what are you doing? Like, what's you kind of
Speaker 1: three days a week way to doing like strength stuff?
Speaker 1: You're doing funtial it's pretty much.
Speaker 2: So I do four days a week of strength and
Speaker 2: it's a real full body you know, legs, arms, chest,
Speaker 2: back by tries, all that sort of stuff. And then
Speaker 2: I recently read an article. I used to do just
Speaker 2: eight to ten minutes on the rower as my cardio,
Speaker 2: and I used to do it before I did weights,
Speaker 2: and then I read an article that said it's actually
Speaker 2: better if you want to burn fat, it's better to
Speaker 2: do it after you've done weights, and so I've started
Speaker 2: doing that. So I've flipped it around a little bit.
Speaker 2: So once I finished my workout, I do about thirty
Speaker 2: five forty minutes, and then I do a ten minute
Speaker 2: you know, eight to ten minute on the rower.
Speaker 1: That's good. And do you flog yourself or you're just
Speaker 1: steady state or.
Speaker 2: Pardon it to public gym?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Do I go a little hard? Yeah? Now you know
Speaker 2: what's interesting. I go relatively hard. I don't I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't kill myself with cardio. But over at the
Speaker 2: last month, my speed has increased. A little rower has
Speaker 2: an indicator of how fast you're going, and finding that
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm getting faster without working too much hard,
Speaker 2: which it doesn't feel like I'm working harder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you, I feel like we're pouring the
Speaker 1: fuck out of everyone listening to the topic at hand.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting about you is, I don't know how
Speaker 1: long we've known each other. It's got to be in
Speaker 1: the ballpark of thirty years. But your body is pretty
Speaker 1: much the same. Like it doesn't seem to me like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like thirty years down the track, most blokes,
Speaker 1: well now they're like their postures, shit, they're they're a
Speaker 1: bit they're a bit fatter, they're you know, like that.
Speaker 1: It's like the guys that I went to school with.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, God bless them. It's like, fucking hell, I
Speaker 1: can't even some of them look good. But there's a
Speaker 1: few that's like, wow, there's father time has not been
Speaker 1: good to you, or maybe you've just been haven't looking
Speaker 1: after you, haven't been looking after you, but you still
Speaker 1: look kind of the same.
Speaker 2: Well thanks, mate, that's what it's so to you though,
Speaker 2: you was just so buffing, you know. That's I don't
Speaker 2: think your body shapes been pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: That's because I'm insecure and to like me, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty over the same, I reckon. That's one of
Speaker 2: the reasons. It's a good motivation. Though.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know if it's a good motivation, but
Speaker 1: it's a motivation.
Speaker 2: You know. I shouldn't admit this, but there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of one upmanship as well, because I have an
Speaker 2: identical twin brother and it's just hard not to comparee
Speaker 2: yourself all the time. And because look, you know, when
Speaker 2: my mom passed away just over ten years ago, I
Speaker 2: had to go. I went out and bought a black
Speaker 2: suit because I didn't known a black suit, so I
Speaker 2: bought a suit. And that's when I started hitting the
Speaker 2: gym again. So I got back into the gym. And
Speaker 2: then after about oh maybe six months, I realized I
Speaker 2: dropped about two sizes and the suit didn't fit me.
Speaker 2: So I went on my brother's place and I said
Speaker 2: to my brother, look, you know you were in a
Speaker 2: kind of high end business. You know you wear suits
Speaker 2: all the time. Do you want this suit? I've only
Speaker 2: worn it once and I said it doesn't fit me anymore.
Speaker 2: It's too big. And he said, well, why don't you
Speaker 2: hold onto it until you fit into it again. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I never want to be able to fit into it.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, two sizes too big, and I
Speaker 2: gave it. I don't know if if he wore it
Speaker 2: or whether it fit him or whatever, but after dropping
Speaker 2: two sizes, it was just too big. But that's a
Speaker 2: nice feeling to be able to drop a couple of
Speaker 2: sizes and then to keep yourself motivated not to fill
Speaker 2: the suit.
Speaker 1: Out again, are you guys identical or no?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're genetically identical yep, and single organism. We started
Speaker 2: off as some of us didn't progress much further. But yeah, now.
Speaker 1: Do you and he have I don't think you do.
Speaker 1: But you know how some identical twins it's like freakishly
Speaker 1: intertwined with each other's lives. I know that's not you,
Speaker 1: but all you know that whole thing where you've seen
Speaker 1: people on Telly finishing each other's sentences.
Speaker 2: It was a viral video of those women in Queensland.
Speaker 2: Did you see that? Wow? That was that was amazing,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. No, I what I've observed with twins, there
Speaker 2: are some twins that are almost joined at the hip,
Speaker 2: and then you've got other twins that are almost mirror
Speaker 2: images of each other in terms of and I mean
Speaker 2: biologically mirror images. Like you know, I've got one crooked
Speaker 2: tooth that's the exact opposite twisted tooth than he has,
Speaker 2: like mirror image. But but no, we have had some
Speaker 2: freaky I don't know if I've told you about the
Speaker 2: freaky things that happened. So my brother's name is Paul
Speaker 2: and consistently, at least three or four times a year,
Speaker 2: I'll be on the phone to someone I know relatively well,
Speaker 2: or it'll be a call center where we start off
Speaker 2: a conversation and then halfway through the conversation they stopped
Speaker 2: calling me Patrick and they start calling me Paul. Wow,
Speaker 2: local politician I've known for about five or six years,
Speaker 2: and she turned to me one day and called me Paul.
Speaker 2: And I've known it for years and years and years.
Speaker 2: So that's a bit freaky. But the freakiest thing I
Speaker 2: think that ever happened. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 2: At one point in harp As, I had what do
Speaker 2: they call little flavor, say, but the little little beard
Speaker 2: thing they have under the lip, Remember I had. I
Speaker 2: wore that for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Well, one year I decided I was going to grow
Speaker 2: a go tea just before Christmas, so maybe six weeks
Speaker 2: before Christmas, I grew a full go tea. You know,
Speaker 2: thought I'm gonna look tough, white Craig. Anyway, so a
Speaker 2: mum and dad I was living. I was obviously not
Speaker 2: living at home anymore, but I go around to the
Speaker 2: folks place for Christmas Day, and Mum got to the
Speaker 2: front door, first opens the door and says, you've been
Speaker 2: talking to your brother, haven't you? And I said, what,
Speaker 2: I walk in and my identical twin brother has grown
Speaker 2: the exact same go tea. Wow, that freaked me out.
Speaker 2: I shaved it off and was that.
Speaker 1: The first time both of you had ever done it
Speaker 1: in your life?
Speaker 2: Never neither of us had ever grown a go tea.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like suddenly people were growing them like.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like the mullet thing.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that was really really strange. That's a
Speaker 2: few weird things have happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There's something in that. There's something
Speaker 1: in that. And some some twins are a little bit weird,
Speaker 1: though some are a bit disconcerting. I feel like they're
Speaker 1: too intertwined.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess in our case there's the good twin
Speaker 2: and the evil twin. And I think we know Paul's
Speaker 2: the good twin, don't we do?
Speaker 1: We do? But also what else is interesting is that
Speaker 1: you like boys who likes girls. That that's interesting, like
Speaker 1: genetically identical, you know, So that.
Speaker 2: About how don't have to tell you the story about
Speaker 2: how I added myself.
Speaker 1: Uh, I think you did. But let's about half of
Speaker 1: our audience or more who haven't heard it.
Speaker 2: Well, the ones that are still left because the rest
Speaker 2: of them have switched off, because this is the shit
Speaker 2: to start to any podcast. Where's Tiff when you need
Speaker 2: it now? I did a TV show years ago. There
Speaker 2: was a TV show on TV show and Channel seven
Speaker 2: called it was Australia's Most Identical Twins, and it was
Speaker 2: just a remaker of a British show and they got
Speaker 2: I think eighty four sets of identical twins from around
Speaker 2: the country and they got us to do a whole
Speaker 2: series of tests. So they got us to do coordination tests,
Speaker 2: so you know those dance you know, video arcades sometimes
Speaker 2: you had these ending platforms you did that. They did
Speaker 2: our dental records. That's how I knew that my teeth
Speaker 2: were the exact mirror image of my brother, which is
Speaker 2: really common in twins. We did everything from coordination. We
Speaker 2: did a blind chocolate test, so they put a you know,
Speaker 2: they got you to taste different chocolates to see which
Speaker 2: one you liked, and they measured you against your twin brother.
Speaker 2: But I knew one of the producers of the show,
Speaker 2: and I knew that there was no chance that Paul
Speaker 2: and I would be even remotely Australia's most identical twins.
Speaker 2: We're so different. And so right at the end of
Speaker 2: this series of you know, activities we have to go through,
Speaker 2: we had a couch interview separately and they asked us
Speaker 2: a series of questions. But it was a bit loaded
Speaker 2: because I knew that I was going to be asked
Speaker 2: the question, and so the final question was, so, you know,
Speaker 2: how similar do you really think you are? I said, Oh,
Speaker 2: we're really similar. We've got all these things in common.
Speaker 2: And then there's of course, well he's I'm gain he's not.
Speaker 2: And that was the little clincher, like that little tagline,
Speaker 2: and they used that.
Speaker 1: In the como.
Speaker 2: So so what happened was when it went to air
Speaker 2: they used that bit and it was great. It just
Speaker 2: took all the pressure off because all my friends and
Speaker 2: everybody was watching the show and I conveniently just like, nah,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to app myself and that.
Speaker 1: How many of your friends went? Oh? Well, of course,
Speaker 1: how many people went? Fuck? I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 2: Oh look it's the close close circle of most of
Speaker 2: them already knew. Anyway, the closer ish, probably suspected. And
Speaker 2: then the the you know, the occasional people might have
Speaker 2: been a bit surprised.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the old Maltese relatives just you know,
Speaker 1: raising their eyebrows hysterically.
Speaker 2: No, but I've got I've got a small little section
Speaker 2: of mum's family in Malta that refused to meet with
Speaker 2: me and uncle and his family. So when I went
Speaker 2: over there, did the whole trip. I tried to make
Speaker 2: arrangements to meet up. And it's like, I wonder why
Speaker 2: he never seems to be available and his family never
Speaker 2: seems to be available. I'm only here for two weeks.
Speaker 2: And then I took aside one of my other cousins
Speaker 2: and I said, as has that uncle got a problem
Speaker 2: you reckon with me being gay? And she said, yeah
Speaker 2: it is. It's like, oh, okay, that's all right. Then
Speaker 2: I don't want to see him either. Then hew h.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things about religion that bothers me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be for religious reasons. It actually was, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it was for religious anyway. Anyway, all right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about let's talk about the thing that you're good at,
Speaker 1: or one of the many Let's talk about let's talk
Speaker 1: about the ever shifting landscape that is technology.
Speaker 2: You know, I've got this love hate relationship with AI,
Speaker 2: and I was reading an article recently see the Great
Speaker 2: Firewall of China. China has a lot of control over
Speaker 2: what people see and do, and in terms of the
Speaker 2: electronic side of I guess a lot of efforts put
Speaker 2: into sanitizing and controlling what the masses are able to access.
Speaker 2: So you can't use Facebook, you can't use Google, you
Speaker 2: can't use Instagram or anything when you're in China. There
Speaker 2: are the equivalent Chinese equivalents of those, but this really
Speaker 2: struck home to me that China literally shut down. They're
Speaker 2: using AI their entire nationwide access for students, for people
Speaker 2: to be able to access AI during exams. So they
Speaker 2: have this one period of the year where they had
Speaker 2: these major exams, like the I guess the VCE exams
Speaker 2: that we have, they turned off a whole lot of
Speaker 2: AI features right around the entire country just so that
Speaker 2: I think it's thirteen million students were doing exams, and
Speaker 2: so they switched all these features off so that they
Speaker 2: couldn't cheat during exams during the exam work. That seems unfair, well,
Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing, isn't it that you can flick
Speaker 2: a switch. That's the disconcerting thing. But you know, on
Speaker 2: the other side of that, it's now there was a
Speaker 2: really interesting article on the ABC in the last week
Speaker 2: or so that was talking about the anniversary of Tianamin
Speaker 2: Square and how now the kind of communications directorate in
Speaker 2: China is sanitizing the history and trying to erase that
Speaker 2: from all of their records. So if you go to
Speaker 2: the deep, if you go on to you know, one
Speaker 2: of the like the AI search tools of Chinese AI
Speaker 2: search tools, and you type in you know, what happened
Speaker 2: during the Tianamin Square massacre, it won't give you any information.
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist as far as far as concerned. So,
Speaker 2: you know, it's nice to live in a country where
Speaker 2: we have free media and ability to be able to
Speaker 2: talk about whatever we're talking about. But when you can
Speaker 2: erase history and effectively, that's exactly what the Chinese government's doing.
Speaker 2: So whether you're turning off AI or using AI to
Speaker 2: sanitize what is historically, you know, information is just disappearing.
Speaker 2: So there will be a lot of young people in China.
Speaker 2: Three was it twenty six years ago, tianam in Square
Speaker 2: or so something like that. So there'll be all these
Speaker 2: young people who have no knowledge of what happened in Square.
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of frightening too, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Well? I mean yeah, one, yes, and then two you
Speaker 1: think about how different versions of that play out all
Speaker 1: around the world in different ways. I mean North Korea
Speaker 1: and you know, even I don't know even in western countries.
Speaker 1: I think, how much do we actually know about what
Speaker 1: gets withheld that we don't know about? Or I was
Speaker 1: talking to somebody recently on the podcast and we were
Speaker 1: talking about how the the shifting landscape of technology but
Speaker 1: also AI that we're talking about right now, but also
Speaker 1: in terms of education, and it's it's so interesting because
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's going to play out, especially
Speaker 1: in say a secondary school kind of setting, an undergraduate
Speaker 1: university setting, where you can kind of get AI to
Speaker 1: do the work, you know, to do your to do
Speaker 1: your projects, to do your literature reviews, to do you know,
Speaker 1: all of the things that you can. You know, it's
Speaker 1: different with, for example, what I'm doing because I'm running
Speaker 1: my own research and getting my own data and it's
Speaker 1: all brand new. But for people who say I've got
Speaker 1: to do a two thousand report, two thousand word report
Speaker 1: on Tianaman Square, and you live in Australia, you can
Speaker 1: just go, you know, write me, give me an overview,
Speaker 1: use references and quotes, and then it gets produced and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, now write it like a year eleven
Speaker 1: student who's pretty smart. Well they're not an academic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well. The other interesting thing is that CEOs now
Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley. What they're doing is there's a new
Speaker 2: startup that's using AI to effectively clone the CEO. So
Speaker 2: what they're doing is they're putting all of their public appearances,
Speaker 2: anything they've ever written, all of their emails, that anything
Speaker 2: they can ga gather electronically about the principles, the way
Speaker 2: that they speak, all the different thought processes that have
Speaker 2: been saved, and they're uploading it and then the CEOs
Speaker 2: who are all megabusy. What they're doing is if junior
Speaker 2: staffers want to speak to the CEO, they're speaking to
Speaker 2: the CEOs AI instead. So if you're if you're if
Speaker 2: you've pulled up every assignment you've ever written for the
Speaker 2: last two years, and you send every email you've ever sent,
Speaker 2: you don't have to make it sound like a year
Speaker 2: eleven student. Just make it sound like you, because it'd
Speaker 2: be able to get to the point where it effectively
Speaker 2: mimics the way and your voice, you know, your authentic voice,
Speaker 2: and that's pretty interesting too. So I don't know that
Speaker 2: i'd like to talk to the AI version of you.
Speaker 2: I think i'd prefer to a spect to the real
Speaker 2: version of you. But but there's a possibility, you know,
Speaker 2: you might not. We might be out at a cafe
Speaker 2: having coffee while we're recording a podcast with our AI equivalents.
Speaker 1: I was looking for something, but I'll just recall it
Speaker 1: as best I can. But yeah, not Yeah, last weekend,
Speaker 1: so on on Saturday, i'd done a little post for Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I jumped into AI and I said into chat
Speaker 1: GPT specifically, and I said, what's a good time to
Speaker 1: post tonight on Instagram? And it said, you know, for
Speaker 1: maximum engagement. It said, ah, so tonight in tonight in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: And then it put in brackets Friday night and it
Speaker 1: was Saturday night, and it said this is a good
Speaker 1: time da da da da, And I said, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's Saturday night. Have you been drinking right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it went ah, it said, nah, Craig, no booze here.
Speaker 1: Just my prefrontal cortex went offline for a moment. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what AI said, No booze here, Craig laughing
Speaker 1: face emoji. My prefrontal cortex went offline for a moment.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. And I mean, like, for me, that's
Speaker 1: the perfect AI because it's cheeky and it's sarcastic, and
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, oh my god, it talks like me.
Speaker 1: It's a smarter version of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I interesting you mentioned chat JPT because you know,
Speaker 2: at the moment there's a court case in the US
Speaker 2: where a lot of the media outlets New York Times
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, and now trying to sue open
Speaker 2: AI and they're trying to basically force them and they
Speaker 2: have by court and it's being appealed, but they have
Speaker 2: to keep every single chat GPT dialogue interaction. So every
Speaker 2: including the things you delete, are now going to be saved.
Speaker 2: Now who can access them as up to speculation whether
Speaker 2: it's just the courts. The reason being is that a
Speaker 2: lot of these media are outlets behind paywalls. So if
Speaker 2: you want to access their articles, you've got to pay,
Speaker 2: but chat GPT can go behind the paywalls somehow. What's
Speaker 2: happening is a lot of these media outlets stories are
Speaker 2: still ending up as accessible to chat GPT, and so
Speaker 2: people are now finding that they can bypass the paywalls
Speaker 2: and access the articles, and of course the media outlets
Speaker 2: are not happy about that, understandably. But what it's done
Speaker 2: is it's basically said as from now, everything that's being
Speaker 2: done has to be stored and has to be kept
Speaker 2: indefinitely until otherwise whether they can launch an appeal. But
Speaker 2: everything that you're doing, it's all going to be saved
Speaker 2: and stored indefinitely at the moment, including stuff you do.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, that's almost incomprehensible, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: what is that even? What does that even mean? Speaking
Speaker 1: of speaking of nothing to do with that, but China anyway,
Speaker 1: And Tech, did you get that thing I sent you
Speaker 1: through the week? Oh about the battery?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I don't think I've got anything from you.
Speaker 2: Tell me about it. Come on, Oh really.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what. Just jump on your phone
Speaker 1: right now, I'll talk to our listeners.
Speaker 2: Okay, I did get a new phone this week, by
Speaker 2: the way, so have a.
Speaker 1: Quick look at what I sent you through the week,
Speaker 1: and because I thought that would fascinate you. And so
Speaker 1: what it is, everybody, you have a quick read. It's
Speaker 1: a battery, like a small battery the size of your thumbnail.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a nuclear battery that lasts for one
Speaker 1: hundred years.
Speaker 2: Didn't I send that to you?
Speaker 1: No? I sent that to you this week. No.
Speaker 2: I realized why. I wasn't able to open it because
Speaker 2: I actually haven't installed Instagram on my phone yet because
Speaker 2: it's a new phone. And so I took the link.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh man, now I've got to install
Speaker 2: it and I'm going to log in, and I thought,
Speaker 2: I can't be bothered. But how I know the nuclear battery. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the last one hundred years. It's pretty epic, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I think it was a topic that I was going
Speaker 2: to chat about it point. But that's phenomenal, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The fact that they can I mean, the applications are amazing. Pacemakers.
Speaker 2: It means that people will be able to be fitted
Speaker 2: out with the pacemaker and they never have to replace
Speaker 2: the battery. So for medical application, even at the outset.
Speaker 2: You know, watches you never you have to worry about
Speaker 2: your watch ever happened to, you know, because I've got
Speaker 2: a stack of really nice watches. I went through a
Speaker 2: phase of just buying watches that were analog, you know,
Speaker 2: without the need for having any technology aside from the
Speaker 2: fact they do need batteries. And the problem now I've
Speaker 2: got about I don't know eighteen watches that need batteries,
Speaker 2: and so I did this sit in there collecting dust
Speaker 2: because I can't be bothered getting a battery the last
Speaker 2: twelve months or six months.
Speaker 1: And I think you spoke last time about some of
Speaker 1: the car batteries now that can be charged to like
Speaker 1: eighty percent within four or five minutes or something.
Speaker 2: Well, it's almost well now the car making because this
Speaker 2: has always been a bit of a holy grail for
Speaker 2: the ev car market to be able to have that
Speaker 2: time parody between filling up with fuel. So if you
Speaker 2: fill up your tank get five hundred kilometers, you fill
Speaker 2: up your battery for five minutes and you get five
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers. And now they believe the achieved that, so
Speaker 2: that's not far off. I've got to tell you though,
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting little articles I've read recently
Speaker 2: was Nicola Tesla. One of the things that Nicola Tesla
Speaker 2: Tesla theorized was being able to send electricity without the
Speaker 2: need for wires. So this is like a concept that's
Speaker 2: one twenty four years old. Now they're saying they may
Speaker 2: be able to beam power. They're looking at a whole
Speaker 2: lot of different things, lasers, microwaves, But what it could
Speaker 2: effectively mean is that you would never need to have
Speaker 2: wires and cables to turn on any devices you could have.
Speaker 2: You know, you could run your whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 2: your car, your electric car, wouldn't need anything, just be
Speaker 2: beamed from space. How good would that be?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know that's good because I think, fucking
Speaker 1: where is that beam coming from? And what if I'm
Speaker 1: in between where it's coming from and the charging or
Speaker 1: I don't know, all of those unseen beams and microwaves
Speaker 1: of and energy fields and scares me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Now, I know we kind of got off the topic
Speaker 2: of AI, but I've got to ask you a quick question,
Speaker 2: and particularly with the ability for AI now to mimic
Speaker 2: in the hands of those people who would do bad
Speaker 2: things with it, obviously a lot of the scams now
Speaker 2: are deep fake scams where people are called by a
Speaker 2: relative of saying they need money. Now, do you have
Speaker 2: a safe word with Tiff or Melissa? Just quietly?
Speaker 1: Are we talking about No? I do not see.
Speaker 2: You might need to think about a safe word. Okay,
Speaker 2: So what it is is if suddenly Melissa gets a
Speaker 2: phone call from you or an email saying I've lost
Speaker 2: my credit card, I've just about to buy a Tesla,
Speaker 2: can you urgently transfer this money to my new bank account?
Speaker 2: Those lines right, well, have a safe word? Is it
Speaker 2: really you, Craig? What's the safe word?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be the safe word now if you're right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, ad or just ask them something that only they
Speaker 1: could not.
Speaker 2: But this is but say, security experts are really actively
Speaker 2: encouraging this that they're saying that you should have with
Speaker 2: your close personal loved ones, people who have access to
Speaker 2: your life. Think about creating a safe word so that
Speaker 2: if there is that kind of weird request, you know,
Speaker 2: and with you know, the Hey Mum scam, the Hey
Speaker 2: Dad scam where you get a text I've lost my phone.
Speaker 2: You know, I've got a borrow to someone else's phone
Speaker 2: to send you a message, I desperately need some money,
Speaker 2: and it might only be two hundred bucks, and the
Speaker 2: person might be traveling, or they might be somewhere where
Speaker 2: you can't contact them. But having that safe word is
Speaker 2: a really simple way. You know, it might be the
Speaker 2: name of your first dog or something, but it's not
Speaker 2: a bad idea when you think about it.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And could you imagine how easy Ron
Speaker 1: and Mary would beat a scam fuck? And how yeah,
Speaker 1: like with like you could make an AI of my
Speaker 1: voice and go hey mom. Fortunately, the saving grace is
Speaker 1: she doesn't know how to transfer anything. She's got to
Speaker 1: pull twenty bucks out of her purse. You're getting nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And you could I know what you're safe word could
Speaker 2: be with your parents? We wish you girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been told they were shadow girl and my
Speaker 1: name was going to be Lisa if I was a girl.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 2: Really. Oh, there you go, Lisa, there is your safe word.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hey, Now I don't know if I told
Speaker 1: you this, and listeners, I apologize because I've shared this before.
Speaker 1: But so one of my papers that I'm writing for
Speaker 1: my PhD is what's called a systematic literature review. So
Speaker 1: it's two years of work, it's about thirty thousand words.
Speaker 1: It's blah blah. Anyway. The other day, so Melissa, for
Speaker 1: our new listeners, you might not know who Melissa is.
Speaker 1: She runs my life. She's the boss of me. She's
Speaker 1: my business partner. Anyway, So Melissa took my paper, which
Speaker 1: is now finished, well, the first draft is finished, so
Speaker 1: it's a complete paper. Still got to be tweaked, but
Speaker 1: she took that paper. She loaded it into AI. Now,
Speaker 1: just reminding you that the paper is all about how
Speaker 1: accurate we are at understanding how other people see us.
Speaker 1: So you know, what Patrick thinks of me, that's perception
Speaker 1: versus what I think he thinks of me. That's metaperception.
Speaker 1: Right now, meta accuracy is how close those two things are,
Speaker 1: how he actually sees me and how I think he does. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it sounds complex, but it's a really interesting thing when
Speaker 1: you do a deep dive. So she put my whole
Speaker 1: paper in there and it gets turned into a two
Speaker 1: person podcast between a lady and a guy in three
Speaker 1: minutes Patrick, it comes up with the twenty five minute podcast,
Speaker 1: which is indistinguishable. Like I've played it to people and
Speaker 1: they didn't know They're like, oh, what this is great?
Speaker 1: What was this on? And how good are their voices
Speaker 1: and how interesting is this? And I let them listen
Speaker 1: to a few minutes and I go, that's not real.
Speaker 1: They're not real people. And the whole conversation, all of
Speaker 1: the conversation is drawn out of my paper, nothing else
Speaker 1: on the internet. And so because my research some of
Speaker 1: it's a bit complex, right, So I can just send
Speaker 1: people this thing and go here, listen to this, and
Speaker 1: this will give you six years of work in twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel you need to send it to me.
Speaker 2: I would love you.
Speaker 1: I will send it to you. You'll I mean not
Speaker 1: only will you because you're all over tech and AI,
Speaker 1: but like, I really think you'll like the actual I
Speaker 1: love the conversation because they explained it in They explained
Speaker 1: it in a way which is very user friendly. And
Speaker 1: not only you user friendly, but you go, oh god,
Speaker 1: this is actually an important thing that I understand. Understanding
Speaker 1: how other people see me actually matters because it improves
Speaker 1: a whole lot of interpersonal and sociological outcomes, you know,
Speaker 1: at work and away from work, and you know, problem
Speaker 1: solving and conflict resolution and leadership and all of these
Speaker 1: things where, oh, if I have an insight into someone
Speaker 1: else's mind, that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, without doubt. I mean, when you think about the
Speaker 2: interactions we have on a daily basis. I had the
Speaker 2: loveliest thing said to me recently. I was at the
Speaker 2: local pharmacy and I it was a really busy day
Speaker 2: and you could see that the staff were all a
Speaker 2: little bit stressed. And then I finally got to the
Speaker 2: counter and I chatted to the lady at the counter
Speaker 2: and she said, it's so nice seeing you. You're always
Speaker 2: so friendly. You've made my day. It's been such a
Speaker 2: tough day. And I just said hello and smiled and chatted.
Speaker 2: But it was It made me feel so good. And
Speaker 2: it makes you realize that, you know, it doesn't take
Speaker 2: much to change someone's whole day just because you say
Speaker 2: a nice thing to someone, or you know, a nice
Speaker 2: gesture or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's the metaperception thing too, and in
Speaker 2: some ways working you know, knowing or trying to trigger
Speaker 2: that or you know, when you're interacting with somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So the first personal development book
Speaker 1: I ever read. You would have heard of the book.
Speaker 1: It's called How to Win Friends and Info. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: very famous. So a guy called Dale Carnegie wrote that
Speaker 1: book in nine thirty six, and you think about that,
Speaker 1: nearly one hundred there were books before that, but that
Speaker 1: was one of the groundbreaking what we would call self
Speaker 1: help type of books. Are you looking that up to
Speaker 1: make sure? I know?
Speaker 2: No, I'm very familiar with it. You've mentioned quite a
Speaker 2: few times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, there's this thing in the book where he says,
Speaker 1: try to find something to compliment people on. That's genuine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought that's such a He's not just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, talk crap. It's like even people who were difficult,
Speaker 1: and he talks about this. I might fuck this up
Speaker 1: a little bit. But one of his jobs was he
Speaker 1: was basically a boy Friday when he was young, and
Speaker 1: he used to have to deliver the mail. He has
Speaker 1: to go to the post office, and he was basically
Speaker 1: a in his younger days, a shitkicker, like an office shitkicker.
Speaker 1: And he used to have to go to the post
Speaker 1: office and wait in the queue with all the parcels
Speaker 1: and all the post and all the things. And there
Speaker 1: was a lady at the post office that let's just say,
Speaker 1: she was somewhat surly, and she probably didn't love her
Speaker 1: job or her life, and she was just, you know,
Speaker 1: just didn't seem like a happy human. And he spent
Speaker 1: like a week trying to figure out how he could
Speaker 1: break through that. And he remembered the you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know something he got told, but the one not
Speaker 1: one thing, but he noticed that she had really beautiful eyes,
Speaker 1: which probably these days might sound creepy, but one hundred
Speaker 1: years ago, who knows. And one that he got up
Speaker 1: and she knew him and he knew her, but that
Speaker 1: was just very business, and he said, has anyone ever
Speaker 1: told you you have like just really beautiful eyes? And
Speaker 1: that was it. That was the turning point because he
Speaker 1: just said something nice to her, and nobody ever said
Speaker 1: maybe not many people said something nice to her, which was,
Speaker 1: you know, there was no real strategy other than I
Speaker 1: guess the strategy was to build connection, you know. And
Speaker 1: when I heard that, or I read that, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not a dumb idea, but also what
Speaker 1: a nice idea too, Just to genuinely find something to
Speaker 1: say something, something nice to say to someone.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I had an ex partner who criticized me
Speaker 2: when we'd go to parties, I'd get this whole spiel,
Speaker 2: which would be something along the lines of, you're always
Speaker 2: interviewing people. Why do you do that? You always interview people.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not interviewing people. I'm just interested in
Speaker 2: finding about their lives. I want to talk to people.
Speaker 2: I want to understand about them. And you know, a
Speaker 2: lovely lady who since passed away, who was the manager
Speaker 2: of our local neighborhood center. She said to me one day,
Speaker 2: you've got you've got one mouth and two ears, so
Speaker 2: you know you should be listening twice as much as talking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a really love It's.
Speaker 1: Not the worst advice. All right, let's jump back on
Speaker 1: to our little I want to know what when I
Speaker 1: hit the snooze button.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to talk about are you do you
Speaker 2: hit the snooze Do you sit an alarm at all?
Speaker 1: I do sit an alarm, but my alarm is radio,
Speaker 1: so it comes on with just blokes talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I've never needed an alarm. I'm a
Speaker 2: bit of a freak. So I did breakfast radio for
Speaker 2: seven years set my alarm, but wo up before the
Speaker 2: alarm consistently for seven years never needed it, and so
Speaker 2: I don't use an alarm. But there's been some really
Speaker 2: interesting studies done and Australians actually fare pretty well. We're
Speaker 2: not as dependent on the snooze button as a lot
Speaker 2: of other countries. So people in the US, Sweden, Germany
Speaker 2: have the highest snooze button snooze button use, whilst those
Speaker 2: living in Japan and Australia had the lowest. So that's
Speaker 2: a good thing. But this study was pretty full on.
Speaker 2: It was a place called mass General, Bringham and they
Speaker 2: analyzed sleep data from twenty one thousand people and they
Speaker 2: used a sleep cycle app and they measured three million
Speaker 2: sleep sessions in the study, so it's pretty definitive. And
Speaker 2: so fifty six percent of those people on average hit
Speaker 2: the snooze button. So we're talking, you know, more than
Speaker 2: half of the people that were studied were the ones
Speaker 2: that hit the snooze button. And what the sleep experts
Speaker 2: are saying is if you rely on the snooze button,
Speaker 2: it breaks up a really crucial part of your sleep process,
Speaker 2: So that rapid eye movement process when it gets when
Speaker 2: the alarm goes off, you break part of the sleep cycle.
Speaker 2: So what they say, is set the alarm, but set
Speaker 2: the alarm at the latest point you can possibly have
Speaker 2: to get up, so you're forced to get up and
Speaker 2: don't do the I'm going to set it half an
Speaker 2: hour beforehand. That way you can just hit the snooze
Speaker 2: for the half hour. That's the possible thing you can do.
Speaker 2: So they're saying, if you have to try not to,
Speaker 2: but set your alarm for the latest possible time so
Speaker 2: you can't fall into the habit of hitting snooze. And
Speaker 2: I thought that makes a lot of sense, because it's
Speaker 2: hard for some people to get up in the morning.
Speaker 2: You know, some people are just not mourning people. And
Speaker 2: I get that, well, I kind of get it because
Speaker 2: I'm not a night person. So yeah, I'm the worst
Speaker 2: in the world. My friends know, if I go out
Speaker 2: to dinner, I want to be going home by at
Speaker 2: eight thirty. I'm happy to go home at eight thirty.
Speaker 2: It's terrible. I'm a nana, but I always have that.
Speaker 1: I think that's because I don't think that's because you're older.
Speaker 1: I'm old because I've been You've probably been like that forever.
Speaker 1: I've been like that forever. I'm like, I don't understand
Speaker 1: I mean theoretically, I get it, but if I get somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know, if you and I going out, we're catching up,
Speaker 1: we're having a bite. We meet at seven. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely on my way home by eight thirty maybe eight, Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And by the way, can we do dinner earlier than seven?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? My ideal dinner is five point thirty six o'clock.
Speaker 1: You're a genuine here nana, dude.
Speaker 2: You know if people come over for dinner at my
Speaker 2: place at six o'clock, yep, come over and start to
Speaker 2: eat at six. Tell us about on Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: just the one thing that was interesting though. The snooze
Speaker 2: pattern changes depending on the day of the week, so
Speaker 2: obviously work week people are much more likely to snooze
Speaker 2: on the weekends. The snooze thing doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: a major factor. Just a bit of advice there.
Speaker 1: That was all up. Sorry, Just the next little lightem
Speaker 1: on the list. I'm interested in because I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of us are people pleases, because we don't
Speaker 1: like saying no, and we don't like hurting people's feelings,
Speaker 1: and we don't like creating a disharmony. So tell us about.
Speaker 2: That, well, there is a science to saying no. And
Speaker 2: this is interesting because I'm going through a bit of
Speaker 2: a situation at the moment. I'm a volunteer in an organization,
Speaker 2: and I'm getting to the point where I'm so busy
Speaker 2: I may have to say no, and I struggle, I
Speaker 2: absolutely struggle to say no. But and this is an
Speaker 2: interesting quote Warren Buffett. You know, he was like a
Speaker 2: millionaire in the US. He's quoted as saying, the difference
Speaker 2: between successful people and really successful people is that really
Speaker 2: successful people say no to almost everything. I thought, that's
Speaker 2: a great quote, and I'm the opposite. I tend to
Speaker 2: say yes to almost everything. But here's a bit of advice.
Speaker 2: When when you do feel the inclination or you have
Speaker 2: to say no, never reference time as the excuse. The
Speaker 2: second you say, oh no, Craig, I can't. I just
Speaker 2: haven't got the time, what it says to you is
Speaker 2: that I can't make the time for you, right, okay.
Speaker 2: Whereas if you reference money, evidently that's okay. So what
Speaker 2: the research has found that if you use money as
Speaker 2: an excuse to decline a request. So so you say, oh, look,
Speaker 2: do you want to go to the opera with me.
Speaker 2: I say, look, I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: At the moment, I'm just a bit strapped and I
Speaker 2: just don't know that I want to spend something on
Speaker 2: that at the moment. Maybe another time, that's a better
Speaker 2: way of getting around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my way. Yeah, I want to go
Speaker 1: to the opera. This is you asking me. No. No,
Speaker 1: You're like, why not I go because I don't like
Speaker 1: the opera? Next right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I love you, but I don't like opera.
Speaker 2: So cycle for the next week. The only reason cycle
Speaker 2: you want is in your washing machine.
Speaker 1: You want to come? Do you want to come to
Speaker 1: Imax with me and watch a three D movie? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was fun, wasn't it. We'll do more. We'll do
Speaker 2: more Avatar and three D than opera. I'm not a
Speaker 2: big opera person. I listen to a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I'm not an opera person either, So yeah, I'm with
Speaker 2: you on that one.
Speaker 1: What's next on the list? Ibi one?
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just waiting for you to pick something up.
Speaker 2: Let me think.
Speaker 1: Tell me about robot cats that have got glowing eyes
Speaker 1: and artificial heartbeats? Yeah? Might heal help children be less stressed.
Speaker 2: Now this is really interesting because at the moment, this
Speaker 2: is a trial that's happening in New South Wales and
Speaker 2: what they're doing is they're using what they call meta cats,
Speaker 2: so their therapeutic robot pets, and they're going into some
Speaker 2: libraries in the Blue Mountains and they're sitting down with
Speaker 2: kids and their life size they per They are basically
Speaker 2: cat replicas and they help comfort and reduce stress. Now
Speaker 2: this is for particularly people or you know, young kids
Speaker 2: that have some sort of anxiety or potentially older people
Speaker 2: with dementia. So they can meow and they purr and
Speaker 2: they have little animated led eyes. So if you said,
Speaker 2: if I said to the cat, I love you, a
Speaker 2: little love heart would appear in the eyes. How cute
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. So and there's a little bit of movement,
Speaker 2: but they've got senses so they can tell they respond
Speaker 2: to human touch, so if you're patting them, they know
Speaker 2: you're patting with them, and then they'll start purring. I mean, personally,
Speaker 2: I can see this would be amazing if you've got
Speaker 2: people who are suffering from dementia or again, or if
Speaker 2: you've got children that have apprehension and a concern. You know,
Speaker 2: it's something that generally, you know, you and I and
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of our listeners don't have the
Speaker 2: social anxieties that some people have, and so it's great.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like walking into a crowded room,
Speaker 2: but I will do it. But for some people there's
Speaker 2: some real big barriers. And if you can imagine a
Speaker 2: kid not wanting to go into a library because they're
Speaker 2: scared or for whatever reason, but they know they can
Speaker 2: go and pat the friendly cat and it can sit
Speaker 2: on their lap while they're reading a book, then suddenly
Speaker 2: the mindset changes and that can be a real deal
Speaker 2: breaker for kids that have anxiety and depression or any
Speaker 2: sort of barrier to being able to interact in the
Speaker 2: real world. So I thought that's kind of cool, and
Speaker 2: it's been done here in Australia.
Speaker 1: I think more and more we're going to see humans
Speaker 1: building relationships. I put that word in in inverted commas,
Speaker 1: but relationships where you know, people, kids, adults are getting
Speaker 1: some kind of emotional and or psychological need met through
Speaker 1: interaction with essentially AI. And I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: bad thing. I think it can be a bad thing,
Speaker 1: but you know, for people, you know, it's even like
Speaker 1: people in remote Australia listening to this, like, well, without
Speaker 1: this technology, they can't hear this, and they can't do
Speaker 1: a zoom call with their parents who live somewhere else,
Speaker 1: or you know. So I think it's it's trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to build a symbiotic relationship between humanity
Speaker 1: and technology that is for the individual as much as possible,
Speaker 1: positive not negative. And I think that that, you know,
Speaker 1: like even where I'm talking to you about the way
Speaker 1: that chat GPT responds to me and it uses language
Speaker 1: that I like, it swears at me, like not at me,
Speaker 1: but it'll use swearing when I ask it to comment
Speaker 1: on something or and it's you know, obviously it's a
Speaker 1: result of very very very clever programming and whatever. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if it creates an
Speaker 1: emotional response in somebody that makes them feel something in
Speaker 1: the ballpark of positive, I guess as long as they
Speaker 1: don't become then dependent and create a new problem, then
Speaker 1: maybe it's okay.
Speaker 2: In China, there's been a groundswell of young people using
Speaker 2: AI as therapists because it's expensive, and I mean any
Speaker 2: sort of therapy is quite expensive. Here, we've got some
Speaker 2: safety nets. I think you can get a mental health
Speaker 2: care plan of ten or eight sessions through your local GP,
Speaker 2: and that's subsidized by the government, but in some places
Speaker 2: that's not possible. And so being able to turn to
Speaker 2: AI that gets to know you and understands, but particularly remembers,
Speaker 2: that way you can have that ongoing conversation to be
Speaker 2: able to dig down with your anxieties and any apprehension
Speaker 2: that you have and talk through problems that you're facing,
Speaker 2: or even just organizing yourself, saying to the AI, these
Speaker 2: are the list of things that I've got to do today.
Speaker 2: What would be the best order to tackle them? I'm
Speaker 2: struggling to do this. Can you help help me organize
Speaker 2: my life? Organize my day? And that's a real tool
Speaker 2: that's there now and available to all of us, you know,
Speaker 2: using those basic prompts help me with this. You know
Speaker 2: it could be financial. You know, these are all the
Speaker 2: bills I've got. This could be you know how I'm
Speaker 2: planning out the next week, next week. I just recently
Speaker 2: purchased a new phone. I had an issue with my
Speaker 2: previous one, so I bought a new phone. And they're
Speaker 2: integrating AI now to the point where it will integrate
Speaker 2: calendar interaction with dialogue. I mean I add my calendar
Speaker 2: entries by voice all the time now. But what you
Speaker 2: can do is you know, if I said ad an
Speaker 2: entry to go to the doctor at three o'clock today,
Speaker 2: it would come back and say no, no, you've already
Speaker 2: got something on or I'm going to be in balorat
Speaker 2: and it's going to take you longer than half an
Speaker 2: hour to get to that appointment in the land, so
Speaker 2: you may need to reschedule. So that's where the adaptive
Speaker 2: AI and the ability to be able to not just
Speaker 2: look at your calendar and add things to rationally say, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, it's going to take you half an
Speaker 2: hour to get there. That's not going to give you
Speaker 2: enough time if you book your appointment at three o'clock,
Speaker 2: because you're going to have to believe it two thirty.
Speaker 2: And those are the things I see. Having the PA
Speaker 2: built into your phone or being able to interact in
Speaker 2: that way is going to make life so much easier.
Speaker 2: Not everybody about Melissa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. Even Melissa doesn't have
Speaker 1: a Melissa Melissa's what does she call them. She keeps
Speaker 1: talking to me. We've spoken about this before, but it's
Speaker 1: like you and her have this language that you can
Speaker 1: both speak that I don't speak. Right, So she talks
Speaker 1: to me about she's building these agents, which are essentially
Speaker 1: like electronic employees to do stuff for us. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's super exciting, but we've got maybe two
Speaker 1: more things we can get through. One I want to
Speaker 1: get through is selfishly, the man who's had two operations
Speaker 1: on his eyes, Oh, who can't see? Great? They might
Speaker 1: there might be a game that might help me.
Speaker 2: I love this. You know what I was really excited
Speaker 2: about when I read this story is do you know
Speaker 2: what a stereoscope is? So people may or may not
Speaker 2: know what a stereoscope is. This is a device that's
Speaker 2: over one hundred years old, probably about one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty one hundred and thirty years old. And what it is,
Speaker 2: it's a wooden frame that you put a card in
Speaker 2: and it shows two images side by side, and then
Speaker 2: when you put it on, the images are in three D.
Speaker 2: And this technology over one hundred years old. And I
Speaker 2: used to collect a number of those three D cards.
Speaker 2: You know, I've got some tours around the world and
Speaker 2: it looks amazing. It's black and white stuff, but it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: But I got one a little a few years ago
Speaker 2: that allows you to It was actually being used to
Speaker 2: train your eyes and depth perceptions. So when you looked
Speaker 2: at the three D image, it would focus you know,
Speaker 2: you'd have little numbers around the room and you would
Speaker 2: focus on the numbers, which would adjust your image so
Speaker 2: that your focus in real depth perception. So if it's
Speaker 2: in the foreground, you look in the foreground, if it's
Speaker 2: in the mid ground or the background. Now there's a
Speaker 2: game that these Chinese are Japanese scientists have just worked
Speaker 2: on at the moment, and they say it could improve
Speaker 2: your eyesight. And what it is is for most of
Speaker 2: us looking at devices, the problem we've got is that
Speaker 2: it's flat and we're not adjusting our focal length. So
Speaker 2: they're using the metaquests too at the moment. To put
Speaker 2: on this, you put on the headset and it gives
Speaker 2: you real depth perception. So if you're playing a rudimentary
Speaker 2: game where you've got targets and you've got to shoot
Speaker 2: a gun at the targets, the targets are different focal lengths,
Speaker 2: so your eyes are trying to readjust constantly on the depth,
Speaker 2: you know, the depth of the target. And that's what
Speaker 2: this thing can actually reverse some of the problems that
Speaker 2: people have with their vision. So that's got a lot
Speaker 2: of and it's not invasive.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that, I mean, that's exciting as somebody like
Speaker 1: me because my one of my eyes is good. One
Speaker 1: of my eyes was complete rubbish?
Speaker 2: Was it my opia? Is it nearsightedness? Well?
Speaker 1: My so my right eye, which is my good eye,
Speaker 1: I had operated on because I had a cataract. So
Speaker 1: my my ophthalmologist or whatever you call them, I went
Speaker 1: and I saw her in uh it would have been
Speaker 1: May or June last year. I had my operation last year.
Speaker 1: She said, okay, so you'll be blind by Christmas if
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 2: That's scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, oh okay, so let's operate. So there's that.
Speaker 1: And my left eye when I was born. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this, but when I was born,
Speaker 1: my left eye was turned Oh okay, yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 1: I had an operation when I was about five to
Speaker 1: kind of straighten it.
Speaker 2: But you're right eye was so BEAUTI your left I
Speaker 2: kept trying to look at it exactly.
Speaker 1: Exactly, but here's he could you imagine? So I've just
Speaker 1: had my operation on my left eye, which is very weak,
Speaker 1: so they cover my right eye, which is good with
Speaker 1: a patch. So now I'm like, I'm five, I'm fat,
Speaker 1: and I've got a patch. I look like a short,
Speaker 1: fat fucking pirate. Right. All I needed was a parrot
Speaker 1: and I would have been off to the races and
Speaker 1: sock and I don't know where my self esteem problems
Speaker 1: came from, but I could imagine the story.
Speaker 2: Well, evidently this new this is for near sightedness, is
Speaker 2: what be doing this on.
Speaker 1: So just quickly, I'm interested. We've got about three minutes
Speaker 1: if you could tell me about drone deliveries. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of fast food outlets and the like delivering
Speaker 1: hamburgers to people's joints with drones.
Speaker 2: Yep, look, I you know. It's interesting. They've got trials
Speaker 2: going all over Australia. There's some going over in camera.
Speaker 2: There have been a few. Well the interesting thing is
Speaker 2: these trials are going all over the place, so thousands
Speaker 2: of drones doing all these deliveries and there's been very
Speaker 2: few complaints. Now an independent study has gone into this
Speaker 2: and what has come out of it is that it
Speaker 2: may not be that people are annoyed with the drone deliveries.
Speaker 2: It's that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority makes it so
Speaker 2: bloody hard to complain, so when people complain, they bring
Speaker 2: up the local council. Oh, I just heard a drone
Speaker 2: go past, and it's gone past twenty times in the
Speaker 2: last ten minutes. The problem is not so much that
Speaker 2: people aren't annoyed about drones. Then there's a call now
Speaker 2: for an easier, more transparent way to really assess whether
Speaker 2: these drone deliveries are going to be problematic for people.
Speaker 2: So whether you have a time duration, we're not allowed
Speaker 2: to fly them after a certain time. I mean for
Speaker 2: drones generally Australia, you can't fly them at night. So
Speaker 2: if you have a drone, and even if you're registered
Speaker 2: with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: dry to fly the drone beyond you know, you know,
Speaker 2: day well daylight hours. Effectively you can only fly them
Speaker 2: when they can be seen. But it's interesting that that
Speaker 2: potentially I think they've only been three official complaints with
Speaker 2: your own delivery, so I guess the call now is
Speaker 2: for more transparency to be able to say, well, look,
Speaker 2: if this is going to be problematic, and if we
Speaker 2: want to really fully assess it's one thing to have
Speaker 2: these drones delivering and making life convenient. I want my coffee.
Speaker 2: Maybe I can get it now in the next thirty
Speaker 2: seconds because it can fly straight to my house. But
Speaker 2: if people want to complain about it, we need a
Speaker 2: process to make it a lot easier to complain.
Speaker 1: Am I the only one thinking that? If I order
Speaker 1: a coffee by the time name, I mean, it's already
Speaker 1: cold even if I pick it up in the But
Speaker 1: I mean, how cold is that shit going to be
Speaker 1: by the time it flies at two kilometers above the houses?
Speaker 2: No, no, It'll be in an eski or something that
Speaker 2: keeps the heat in it. You know this is a
Speaker 2: thermal kind of blanket. I don't know. I haven't ordered
Speaker 2: a coffee, but I but think about it. If you
Speaker 2: crook right, and you you know you need some pain medication,
Speaker 2: or you happen you know you've got a bad cold,
Speaker 2: the last thing you want to do is get in
Speaker 2: the car, go to the pharmacy, pass it on to
Speaker 2: everybody in the pharmacy. Whereas if your audi, your tablets
Speaker 2: and stuff and it gets delivered by drone, then that
Speaker 2: would be really convenient.
Speaker 1: What about organs being delivered for emergency procedures, that'd be cool,
Speaker 1: Like a drone with a like a heart in it,
Speaker 1: just flying across just landing on the Royal Children's or
Speaker 1: something like that, or the Alfred.
Speaker 2: And you know the good thing about drone delivery, I
Speaker 2: guess is that you've got all that space for them
Speaker 2: to fly around in that's not being used by anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick, where can people find you and do yoga with?
Speaker 1: Not yoga, tie chi with you? Connect with you?
Speaker 2: Well, if you wanted to do some ti chee with me,
Speaker 2: you go to Tichi at home dot com dot au.
Speaker 2: There some free video. It was a little website I
Speaker 2: put together during COVID for my students. But if you
Speaker 2: want to know more about what I do professionally, allegedly
Speaker 2: professionally websites, marketing, logos, branding, all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: you can go to websitesnow, dot com dot au.
Speaker 1: Always good champion, We appreciate you. I think the Coin
Speaker 1: of the World will be back next week to keep
Speaker 1: us both in line, So probably need it a week
Speaker 1: after I should say, have a good day buddy, Cheers mate,