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Speaker 1: Well, let's get into the podcast rights. We can leave

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Speaker 2: Janel Cram Not you talk about real estate though, No.

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Speaker 1: My tips on real estate, nah, they're are good. Camp

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Speaker 1: be tenant down and camp welcome.

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Speaker 3: Brother, Mate tips on real estate? Are you serious? I'm

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Speaker 3: bloody on the beach up north here. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: Don't surely change me.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 2: Level sixteen is a friend from the stag.

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Speaker 1: He can be congratulations mate on the coffee Grumpy Coffee. Now,

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Speaker 1: when people say this is really good coffee and stuff

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Speaker 3: I can't take any credit for it because it's our

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Speaker 3: But it's actually Mitch so our coffee. He's been the

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Speaker 3: And so when we get with our beans and that

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Speaker 1: Okay, which brings me my next question. Reading the story

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's crazy, I'd literally so when I

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Speaker 3: In reality, their resume is better than Webke club Land.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I was put to a very very clever

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Speaker 1: you get so infatuated. Can I ask you on that

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Speaker 3: Okay? So we so our jerseys, which are our biggest

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Speaker 3: She had a jersey on. I had a jersey on.

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Speaker 2: I can't be planted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah planted, I was on mate. I couldn't believe. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You what's been the craziest thing you've said, Like, have

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Speaker 3: Like just bloke in general. I'm trying to think, like

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Speaker 3: I still to this day, just that old goosey thing

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't You might not have seen it as much, Dad,

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Speaker 2: But like on social media, like Bee would be created,

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Speaker 2: what was the goosey?

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Speaker 3: So a goose step like David Campeazy, like the like,

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Speaker 1: Camp easy was that when it really came to prom.

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Speaker 2: But think like think like the old turbo video down

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Speaker 3: Just goosies everywhere, and it's it's funny because I don't

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Speaker 3: like there's actually a rugby page that claims to be

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Speaker 3: and literally like does goosey and rates people's goosies in

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Speaker 3: that like he's built a living off You're welcome. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what's crazy is we actually own the trademark

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Speaker 1: We should sue him now, Dan, And like, let's want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the origins of the business and how

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Speaker 1: it's progressed in a different form. But to talk about

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Speaker 1: about regular argue career. We won't dwell on it too long.

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Speaker 3: But there's not much to dowell on too.

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Speaker 1: But you did have a good career. But we don't,

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Speaker 1: as you said, we want to focus more on Bloke.

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Speaker 1: But three clubs yea, Broncos, Warriors and Dragons drunker a sorry,

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Speaker 1: Dragons only very brief but Broncos and Warriors. What do

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Speaker 1: you see your primarily what do you see yourself yourself

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Speaker 3: Bronco one hundred percent like and it's and respectfully, it's

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Speaker 3: like not even close. I don't like Broncos. Is Broncos

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Speaker 1: Means to Stockholm syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much that but that but that's how like

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Speaker 3: I can't express it's irrelevant how they feel about me

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Speaker 3: you know, you've got pillars in your life, like your family,

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Speaker 3: just I feel so incredibly honored to have worn the

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Speaker 1: Broncos Warriors, your coach by Wayne at the Broncos and

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Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty amazing. Yeah, you got too, Blake And

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Speaker 1: Ivan is I call him. I'm trying to get the

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Speaker 1: right word, but yeah, Ivan, when you talk about the

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the thing with Ivan, it's just

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Speaker 3: about amount of time. Really. I think I think the

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Speaker 3: But early in the Warriors he actually first really took

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Speaker 1: Well let's let like, I'm sorry, Ka, So you're Wayne

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, No man, how great a coaches. People

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Speaker 1: other way. Where did you sit? Firstly, with Wayne, where

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Speaker 3: I see him as a young man, I saw him

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Speaker 3: good at identifying like what does this young kid need

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm sure it is to Wayne. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: He's just really good at packing, packaging it in a

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting you say that because Andrew Webs, who

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Speaker 1: It was just like what's you from your dealings with

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And what I put it down

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's like a girlfriend, like if it's like being in

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Speaker 2: ends badly, badly healthy initially when you've been in a

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Speaker 2: understood what they wanted to say about the Scottish Highlands

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00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 2: when death. There was two things could have happened when

434
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 2: you when you played up with the tribe or something

435
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 2: bad happened. One is death or the other one, which

436
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: was worse, was being cast out of the tribe.

437
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 1: And I never I used to laugh at that's stupid,

438
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 1: And when it happened to me to a certain extent,

439
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 1: I understood at one hundred. What about Ivan?

440
00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I think Ivan, I came to Ivan such

441
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 3: a bad personal space that I feel like, funnily enough,

442
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 3: like both of us didn't know how to communicate with

443
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: each other. Because when I got there it was good

444
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: and he was really understanding, and yeah it was an

445
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,919
Speaker 3: exciting time. But because I was such a I wouldn't

446
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 3: probably I guess he would consider me an introvert. I

447
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 3: remember finding out that they'd call the Broncos asking like,

448
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 3: how do we get the best out of Dennin, Like

449
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 3: he's just so internal and I think, like I've been,

450
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 3: you know, being a relatively new coach at the time,

451
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 3: probably didn't know how to deal with a young kid

452
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 3: that had come from the Broncos and didn't put myself

453
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 3: out there. However, internally, you know, I was begging to

454
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 3: be appreciated, begging for them to want to, I guess

455
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: come to me like almost like when you look back now,

456
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: you go, you're an idiot, Like you should have put

457
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 3: yourself out there and shown how much you cared. But

458
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 3: as a young fellow, you just you expect them to

459
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 3: look at all the little things you do and go, oh,

460
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 3: clearly he does care. And so I think a lot

461
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 3: of it's hard for me to judge Ivan's coaching ability

462
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: because I was in such a bad headspace off the field.

463
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 3: I had a really bad relationship, like genuinely an abusive relationship,

464
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 3: not from my own, from the other end, and I

465
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 3: was in a whole new country as a twenty one,

466
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 3: twenty two year old. I'd only been playing rugby league

467
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 3: for three or four years, and I just wasn't ready

468
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: to deal with that. And so I think that Ivan

469
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: also didn't know how to react to that, because you know,

470
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 3: he just probably the boy has just probably assumed that

471
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,239
Speaker 3: I hated being there, but in reality, like it was

472
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 3: just I probably just needed someone to put their arm

473
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: around me and bring me in. Now, it look really I.

474
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: Think you could sit in a room with Ivan and

475
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: if you didn't speak, then you could sit there for

476
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: hours and he wouldn't speak.

477
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: Exactly, and so it's like almost the perfect storm for it,

478
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 3: like not to work to a degree, and so like, yeah,

479
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 3: Ivan was never like bad to me or whatever, but

480
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: at the same time, like, how can you coach a

481
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: guy that's in a really bad headspace new to rugby league,

482
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 3: is not reaching out, not reaching out, not communicating. But

483
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 3: in my head, I'm just hoping they're looking at my

484
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: actions and going, Okay, he does care, like you know.

485
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, and also it was a weird situation too

486
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: because like we had Manu Vadavor on the other wing,

487
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 3: and so it was like, if you're going to get

488
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: another wing with Manu Vada, you don't get a try

489
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 3: score that can finish tries. You get a you get

490
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 3: a workhorse, and so it was almost like why would

491
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: you bring you know, so if you're ive and you're like, well,

492
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: all of our players are to the big man at

493
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: the beast of course, and it's almost like pointless to

494
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: have me on another wing because that's that was my

495
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: job for the Broncos at the time. And so Yeah,

496
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: it just didn't work. Like obviously, you know, I don't

497
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: think you could. I'm not going to sit here and

498
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 3: say that they were perfect as well. I just think

499
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: that if I had to put myself out there more,

500
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 3: I think I would have got more out of the Warriors.

501
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: And most of it was my fault, like ninety five

502
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: percent of it was my fault.

503
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: It's your best highlight.

504
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about that. Was it

505
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: against the Eels? Was it on the buzzer Darren Lockew

506
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: The buzzer goes you guys are down by a couple

507
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: of points at the time, he does a little crossfield kick,

508
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: bounces up for you, other big scores in the corner.

509
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what'd ask? Is that your career highlight of your

510
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 3: It's actually not, it's actually not. Yeah, No, it's obviously

511
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: it's my career highlight to you know, everyone else, because

512
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: like it was such a big moment. But my career

513
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: highlight was actually for me personally, was when so I'd

514
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: gone to the Warriors and it didn't work out. And

515
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: I just want to reiterate the Warriors as a club

516
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: were incredible, like such a family orientated club, so caring

517
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: that made the move over there the best, like the

518
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: easiest thing ever. As I said, I was just in

519
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: a terrible headspace anyway, So that didn't work out. And

520
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: they were really good. They're like, yep, sweet, we will

521
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: help you you get back to where you need to go.

522
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: Funnily enough, like getting back to the Broncos was a

523
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: bit bizarre because I had a manager that basically told

524
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: me that they weren't interested. And I was like, hang

525
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: on a sec. When I left the Broncos, like they

526
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: literally said to me, anytime you want to come back,

527
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: like we want you back. And I had to call

528
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: the Broncos myself and say, what's going on here? Like

529
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: you said that anytime I want to come back, I

530
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: come back. And so they were like what do you mean?

531
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, my manager's telling me that

532
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: you're not interested. They're like, one hundred percent we want

533
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: you to come back, And like a whole other bunch

534
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: of stuff happened, like genuinely, like I had a deal

535
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: already done with the Bulldogs. It was it was like

536
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: basically it was agreed to. Everything was agreed to, so

537
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: much so that even players at the Bulldogs knew about it.

538
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I get a call

539
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: from a manager saying, oh sorry, deal's falling through. I

540
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: was like, what they hell? Then two days later he's

541
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: another winger he has on his books, get to deal

542
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: with the Bulldogs. That doesn't happen, No, not at all,

543
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 3: and so like so it was just in a crazy headspatter.

544
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: I had this a terrible relationship. You know, I'd failed

545
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: at the Warriors and a lot of people you know,

546
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: were really unhappy with me as a signing, and so

547
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: going back to the Broncos on minimum like so desperate,

548
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: I was like, look, I'll go back on minimum. You

549
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: don't even have to pay me match payments. I just

550
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: want to come back and play for the Broncos. I

551
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: don't care what to take. So I come back, fight

552
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: my way back into the round one starting side, and yeah,

553
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: I scored the match greener against the Cowboys in round one.

554
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: And that's that's my career highlight because it was just

555
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: a reminder I guess to myself that you know, I'd

556
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 3: been through a little bit off the field and all

557
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: the drama and everything, and I came back to the

558
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: Broncos and almost proved like okay, yeah, I didn't play

559
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: that well the Warriors. But I proved to myself that

560
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 3: I am a good NFL player and I still got it.

561
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: I guess so that that was my career highlight, twenty

562
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: ten round one mattern against the Cowboys.

563
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: So you retired young. The day you decided to retire,

564
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: you know what occurred? Was there a moment of clarity?

565
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: Was discontent? What was it at the time?

566
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there was ever a day. It

567
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: was almost just like a you know, it was just

568
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: such a bad headspace. I was just like over it.

569
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: I just just didn't care. I didn't want to be

570
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 3: a part of it anymore. Just so many things had

571
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: happened in my career where like I just I got

572
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: unlucky in the circumstance, Like you know, I was certain

573
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: things were promised and agreed to and all that stuff.

574
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: I've just been through so much that I was disillusioned

575
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: with it and I and that's like, I guess why

576
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: I had such a fun time for re memory of

577
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: my first time with Wayne at the Broncos because that

578
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 3: was really the only time where I felt like I

579
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: was understood and appreciated. Even though he promised me certain

580
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: things and they didn't come through. So, like you know,

581
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: it's just part of the it's part of the when

582
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: you're a guy, when you're a small winger that isn't

583
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: playing Origin or whatever, like, you do get bounced around

584
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: and treated pretty poorly because it's such a brutal business.

585
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: And so I was just disillusioned with it. I just

586
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: I just I was so disappointed, and I felt betrayed

587
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: by quite a few people in different circumstances, and like

588
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 3: so many things happened like like that. I mean, you

589
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: could see for thirty minutes talking about you know, contracts

590
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: being promised, money being promised, being betrayed by people you're

591
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: supposed to get trusted, you're supposed to be trusting. And

592
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: so I got to the point where was like, I

593
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 3: just can't do this anymore. I was just betrayed and

594
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: disillusioned with the game. And so I just was like,

595
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm just done.

596
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I do feel for you guys. You speak, You're you're

597
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: at the very probably beginning of where the game is

598
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: at the moment. Where the game is is long, long

599
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: days in there meetings, the ruthlessness of what is brought

600
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: on by cap the deceptions and deceitful natures of some

601
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: managers out there and all of it combined, all that together,

602
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: and I think to myself sometimes I wonder how many

603
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: people out there are really enjoying their careers. I was

604
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: in an interview with Matt Gidley with Jimmy Graham the

605
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: other day and when Gibs was talking about his career

606
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: and coming into the team at Newcastle, it just reminded

607
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: me of so many good stuff and when he spoke

608
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: about when he spoke about that side at Newcastle, ninety

609
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: five of the stuff, ninety percent of the stuff he

610
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: was talking about was off the field because we were

611
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: a family. And it's still although it was a professional sport,

612
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: it still felt like fun and it felt like a pastime.

613
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: It was a game. So yeah, I can understand where

614
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: you're coming from there. Let's talk about the years in

615
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: between your two high profile careers as bloke and professional

616
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: rugby league. Tell me that they used how would are they?

617
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: What's more accurate? Lost years? Tough years, years of tears,

618
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: fun years, Oh.

619
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: Terrible years. Terrible years, just completely lost, you know, because

620
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: I'd played sport at such a high level from like

621
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: a five, like pretty much from five years old, like

622
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 3: my whole life was it revolved around sport like it

623
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: was from literally five years old, Like it wasn't. It

624
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh, you know, I'm coming down to play

625
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: for fun. It was like I'm coming down to play

626
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: as best as I can play and win by as

627
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: much as I can win by. And so when you're retired,

628
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: just like, what's what am I even on the earth for?

629
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: Like what's the point of anything? Like I identify as

630
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: an athlete. If I'm not doing that, then then who I?

631
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: Who am I? And I think that, like it's so

632
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: deeply ingrained in me anyway, personally, in my heart of hearts,

633
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 3: I still see myself as an athlete even though I'm not.

634
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm the furthest thing from iact. Look at me further

635
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: s from.

636
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Dan, what was this? Because you

637
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: were quite young? What was the decision? Was it just

638
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: falling out of love with the game itself or was

639
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: it you know, you wanted to do something else? Like

640
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: what was your decision to leave it?

641
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: It was it was just like falling out of love

642
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: with the game, falling in love with everything around it,

643
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: really bad mental headspace, just like all it's just a trifecta.

644
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: Like it was just a dark, bad, sad time in

645
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: my life and I just I just didn't really have

646
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: because the problem was is that when you come across

647
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: from soccer, you just you don't know the culture. Like,

648
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: for example, if I'm a manager, what manager tells a

649
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: twenty one year old go and take a contract with

650
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: New Zealand Warriors when you've played rugby league for three years?

651
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: Like whereas now, because I've been in the game for

652
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: long enough, I would tell a young kid be patient.

653
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: You know, yes, the Broncos have told you the third

654
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: winger in line, but it's okay. Just stay there, just

655
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: stay stay exactly, just stay there, you're around your family,

656
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: you've only been playing a lot rugby for three or

657
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: four years, or you know, even little things like you know,

658
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: when the Warriors initially offered me the contract, I said

659
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: yes to my manager, yep, sweet. And then like I

660
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: started playing really well and was getting way bigger offers,

661
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: and even Wayne sat me down and said, if you

662
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: want to come to the Dragons, I'd love to have you.

663
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: And like, because I was a man of my word,

664
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: like I said no, I've already said yes, So like

665
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: I missed out on all this money. And look, I'm

666
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: still happy with that decision because I would probably make

667
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: the same one. However, like you know, I think a

668
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: lot of being in the game long enough and understanding

669
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: the culture of rugby league. There's so much about it

670
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: that I just didn't know. I had no connections either

671
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: to lean on, Like there was no there was no

672
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: scout that says I've watched his kid since he was

673
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: six years old, or there was no oh, I know

674
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: his family. Because so I was just like pretty much

675
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: I just a kid by myself in rugby league, just

676
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: doing me best.

677
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Speaker 1: Really, what did you do in those in between years?

678
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: What jobs?

679
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: I was electrician? So I did my electoral apprenticeship. I

680
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: only got to like the third year. But it was

681
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: just yeah, it just wasn't for me. Like as I said,

682
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: I was just just a dark, dark period in my

683
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: life where I waking up at four o'clock driving our

684
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 3: half out to the site, living away from home in

685
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: like this little motel, you know. And as an athlete

686
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: that like had such success growing up as a kid.

687
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'd won state championships, I won national championships.

688
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: It was just like, how did I get here? When

689
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, there was a period there in two thousand

690
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: and eight where I was like close getting selected for

691
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: Queens then, and so I was just like, how did

692
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: you get here? Like you're in a motel doing a

693
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: job you hate and you should have been so much

694
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: more than this. But then there was also a part

695
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: of me that had seen my other family members, like

696
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: my brother had gone over to England for soccer and

697
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: he'd actually got it off a contract from Norwich, and

698
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: here he had knocked that back because he, you know,

699
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: again just inexperience, where because my father hadn't really been

700
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: in sport that much. He did, he did his best,

701
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: but he didn't know sport either. So like, for example,

702
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: if my son's over in England right now and he

703
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: gets a contract from Norwich, I'm saying hang in there

704
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: just a year, like I'll come over there or whatever.

705
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: Whereas because we didn't know, my brother got homesick, so

706
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: he came home and he became a doctor. So seeing

707
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: that that did give me hope of like, well, if

708
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: my brother can do it. Like I think a lot

709
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: of people rugby league players when they retire, like they

710
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: hold onto the game a little bit longer because in

711
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: their head. They're like, there's nothing else I can't there's

712
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: nothing else, Like, Okay, I can go be a trade

713
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: that doesn't compare to being a rugby league player playing

714
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: inn roh blah blah blah. And so there was that

715
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: hope that I had with sport where I could go

716
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: go into something bigger and better. But yeah, for about

717
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: two or three years, it's just just super dark, sad, depressed,

718
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: until I just said, you know what, I'm gonna give

719
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: podcasting a crack? Is that?

720
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 2: And where did the idea of bloke come from? Like

721
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: when did you go? When did you go right a podcast?

722
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: And then how did you come up with that whole concept?

723
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: So I was working on a Marulan so on above

724
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: ground mine, and so what I would do is is

725
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: I had like a beanie on and obviously this fucking

726
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: safety will kill would have killed me if they had

727
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: a known, but I had less headphones and under it

728
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: was so cold there all the time, apparently it's one

729
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: of the coldest places in the country on average. I

730
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: had this beanie on under my heart hat and I'd

731
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: have wireless headphones and I would just listen to like

732
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan all day. The first podcast. This is like

733
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: tuesdenty thirteen, fourteen. I would just be listening to podcasts

734
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: all day. Why because I was an apprentice and mature

735
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: age of printance, so I just get all the monotonous tasks,

736
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: just like cutting cables, pulling cable and just to just

737
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: absolute brain numbing stuff. And so I just yeah, I

738
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: was listening to podcasts, and initially, you know, maybe it

739
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: was a bit of a projection, but I was like, oh, man,

740
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: like I'd love to do a podcast where I sit

741
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: down and hear people's stories. I've always been really interested

742
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: in people's stories, and I feel like it doesn't matter

743
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: where you're from or what you do, everyone's got a

744
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: really interesting story if they're willing to tell it. Then

745
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: I was like, well then I've got to compete against

746
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: anyone that does that. But my point of difference is

747
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: I could do rugby league players. And then I was

748
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: a real there's a real urge to kind of like

749
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: tell rugby league players' stories. I felt like rugby league

750
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: players were super misunderstood, like you know, the media essentially

751
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: had full control over the rugby league image, and I

752
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: wanted people to get to know rugby league players and

753
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: get to hear their stories and almost change their opinions

754
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: to a degree. And as I said it, it might have

755
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: been a bit of a projection of like, you know,

756
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: wanting my story to be kind of heard to a degree.

757
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: And so yeah, that's kind of where it clicked. Put

758
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: everything on a credit card because I was mature, like apprenticeships, wages. Yeah,

759
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: put everything on a credit card, build everything up. And

760
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: then I sat on it for a couple months because

761
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: I was scared, like you know, you get to you're

762
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: about to jump off the plank, but you're just like,

763
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: oh shit, I'm about to jump off the plane. Because

764
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: once I get started, I'm not I'm going to stop.

765
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: And so I promised myself, look, i'll give it two years.

766
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: Obviously I'll keep working full time. I'll give it two years.

767
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: At the very worst, I'll at least have like a

768
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: thousand people that listen to the podcast, and I can

769
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: advertise my electrical company too, So like there was a

770
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: there was a worst case scenario.

771
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's it's funny because the podcast obviously then

772
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: was there's nowhere near as big as that is now,

773
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: particularly in Australia, like there's rugby league podcasts everywhere now,

774
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: but you were kind of the one of the first

775
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: ones there. And how long did it take for you

776
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: to then start making a bit of money off the podcast?

777
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: And then at what point was it like, fuck, a

778
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: lot of people are listening.

779
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: To this, Oh man, So it took I think it

780
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: took about two years to make a bit of money

781
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: off the podcast. But even then, like people like so

782
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: like so I had the podcast, I would put up

783
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: to the podcast and I wouldn't even think about it

784
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: because no one knew what a podcast was back then.

785
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: So I actually focused more on the clips that I

786
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: would put on my Facebook page, and they were just

787
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: like three to five minute clips of people telling their story.

788
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: And honestly, some of the early first couple of years, seriously,

789
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: you might get two or three hundred downloads, you know,

790
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 3: whereas now you're getting like, you know, a Monday show

791
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: gets anywhere from like seventy to eighty thousand downloads every

792
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: single Monday. But yeah, that was for a few years. Honestly,

793
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: It probably wasn't until like two thousand and twenty twenty one,

794
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: were really just the momentum just clicked into gear and it,

795
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: you know, pretty much is it's like this like for

796
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: for so long, for like four or five years, and

797
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: then just born, we just hit momental.

798
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: Rock and roll bands or artists describe that as when

799
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: the wave kicks in. Yeah, they always say, you know,

800
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: like your paddle, your paddling against the surf, you paddling

801
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: against the stream. But all of a sudden, when you're

802
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: on the wave, it's almost like effortless, we're away.

803
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I'll tell you what my job's like, Like,

804
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: I do a lot more of it, but it's much

805
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: easier now than it was when I started, because I

806
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: was editing everything I was doing. I was setting everything up,

807
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: put it all down, get back home, go to sleep,

808
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: wake up, go to work the next day.

809
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So you come out of a high pressure environment

810
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: in rugby league, and we know what high pressure environments

811
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: can do, and as you said, you come out of

812
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: it really really knocked around. We all have different things

813
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: that sit inside us, things that you know, there's whatever reason.

814
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: We get up some days and we're feeling great, and

815
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: these other days we're not feeling so great. We're feeling

816
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: a little down and sometimes hard to pull yourself out

817
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: of that. For you, oftentimes, what can change of mood

818
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: is stress and is pressure what you've gone through, you know,

819
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: in those really difficult years of discontent in rugby leagues,

820
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: spilling in discontent what you're doing as an electrician, do

821
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: you have to basically keep a check yourself that that

822
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: person doesn't come back during with all the pressure of

823
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: what you do.

824
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: I don't feel anywhere near the way I used to

825
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: felt as an electrician. Like it's I've never since the like,

826
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: since I've been able to do this full time, I've

827
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: never ever felt anywhere close to how bad I felt

828
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: in the years when I was a sparky. So like, yeah,

829
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: there's there's very rarely a morning where I wake up

830
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, oh, I don't want to do

831
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: this or whatever. Really the only the only negative of

832
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: you know, being an entrepreneur or whatever. You know, I

833
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: don't hate they were, but like being an entrepreneur is

834
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: just is the financial stress of it. Like, and so

835
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: there were years early on where you know, we had

836
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: the bar and you know, I'd come up there to

837
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: help my brother out because he owned the bar before

838
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: it and it didn't work out, and we had this

839
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: five year lease, hundreds and hundreds of thousand dollars in

840
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: debt and I was up there to help him. So

841
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: that was stressful, you know.

842
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: So where was the barn?

843
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: Yes, the bar would have been. So I started the

844
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: podcast I think twenty fourteen fifteen, and then the bar.

845
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: So we'd started the beer actually around twenty sixteen or so,

846
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: and then my brother opened a bar, a Spanish tabis

847
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: bar and Broadbeach and it just it went pair shape.

848
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: He went with a business partner, it didn't work out whatever,

849
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: and so my brother was left with this lease and

850
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: this bar, and he had financially he funded it all

851
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: and the partner was supposed to run it, but the

852
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 3: partner it just didn't work out, and so my brother

853
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: was basically left with this lease and all the financial

854
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: liability of it all. And I was like, well, I

855
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: can't let my brother, you know, do that. That's my brother.

856
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: So I was like, looks and I'll come up. I

857
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: just needs you to change it from a tabas bar

858
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: to a like a bloken, a bar with beer, and

859
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: then obviously in exchange, I'll give your percentage ownership of

860
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: Bloke and so that was all good. So we did that.

861
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: At the time that I was actually I was with it.

862
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: My ex partner at the time that ended up breaking

863
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: up during that period as well. And yeah, so when

864
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: I took the bar over, it was more just about

865
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: settling the ship because he had this five year lease

866
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: and like when you got the five year lease, you

867
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: can't just not pay it, like it's a huge lease.

868
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: You got to pay and he's financing it all by himself,

869
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: And so that was an incredibly stressful time. Like funnily enough,

870
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: I never felt as down as I did when I

871
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: was doing my electrical work. And to be clear, I

872
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: haven't like there's plenty of blokes I've got such admiration

873
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: for that were sparkys. It just wasn't my cup of tea.

874
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, so the bar the stresses of that though,

875
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: and like the family like got to a point where

876
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to ring your father, who also

877
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: doesn't have that much money, or your mother who doesn't

878
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 3: have money much money at all. And at one point,

879
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: like I was living in my family's home and they

880
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: were living in their parents' home and I couldn't pay rent.

881
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: But the rent that I was supposed to pay that

882
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: they used to get from people that used to live there,

883
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: because I moved up from will and gone to the

884
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 3: Gold Coast. That used to be money that my mum

885
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 3: was given just to live on because I couldn't pay rent.

886
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: She wasn't getting any money. And then my dad likes

887
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 3: so just got to the point where like the whole

888
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: family's in involved. And yeah, at some state at point

889
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: you could tell my family was like you got to walk, like,

890
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: find a way to walk away from this because it's

891
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: just draining everything. And we just hung in there, hung

892
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: in there, hung in there.

893
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: To affect your relationship with your brother.

894
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: Didn't affect it at all. Made it stronger, made it stronger.

895
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: You know that we always we always knew that both

896
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: of us would walk away from Bloke before it affected

897
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: our relationship. And yeah, and we it just made it stronger.

898
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: And now we know, like we could have an agreement

899
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: without any paperwork and it would never ever come like

900
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: it would never know. People say that, but I know

901
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: for a fact it wouldn't been up.

902
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: Again, I hate to dominate this conversation, right, it's just

903
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: things coming into my head all the time. What was

904
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: it like Dannan with the bar, dealing with the public,

905
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: not just dealing with the public, dealing with the public

906
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: and alcohol.

907
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is we actually got We only

908
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: have had one fight out the front and it lasted

909
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: about a second. For some reason, we didn't have many dramas.

910
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. We just didn't have

911
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: that many dramas. It's actually like, although it was a

912
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: really tough time and it was so much stress, and

913
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: you know, the only way we got out of it

914
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: is obviously people came. We investors saw Like, so a

915
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: bloke walked into my bar one day and he just said,

916
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: would you ever be interested in investors that I've got

917
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: an accountant for a bloke and he wants to get

918
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: into a beer. Would you be interested? And at the

919
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: time I'm thinking this is bullshit, Like what are you

920
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: talking about? Anyway? So this was just a random day

921
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: where it's quiet. I gave him my card, Sorry, he

922
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: gave me his card. No, sorry, I gave him my

923
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: card and he's like, all right, sweet And eventually the

924
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: guy called me. His name's John, and we just started

925
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: talking and they invested in Bloke and became partners in

926
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: Bloke And that is so basically what was happening is

927
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: we will getting to a point where it's like there's

928
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: no attorney we are. Everyone's gone bust. Everyone's gone bust.

929
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: And then somehow, some way, someone saw the vision came

930
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: in I don't know, like just randomly, like they didn't

931
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: know what was happening. They just saw the branding and

932
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: the vision. They loved the idea that I had.

933
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was the branding in the vision. Did

934
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: he ever tell you what was the thing that really

935
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: just went Okay, you.

936
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: Know this is going to sound super I don't know. Well,

937
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: he's meat, he said to you. It's not. It has

938
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the brand or like, obviously the

939
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: brand helps and that helps, but he said, just your mind,

940
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: that's what we invest in. We we invest in people,

941
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 3: invest in people, and we and you're different, and there's

942
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: certain people that are entrepreneurs and there certain people aren't.

943
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: And you are one bloke.

944
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: Why why did you have that name? Because you yeah,

945
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: but look why why originally was it called.

946
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: That may so? Basically so sand or Earl? He contacted me.

947
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: So I was doing the podcast. It's such a weird story.

948
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: Do you ever listen to his podcast?

949
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: A Fire?

950
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: He asked about six episodes.

951
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Coop had one too. At the same time called fuel

952
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: blow Caviat.

953
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tried to rival him, saying I was going

954
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: to start one where people who have never had hardship.

955
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: And they just talk about how great their life is,

956
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: good times and like white people can play. So yeah,

957
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: So with sand Or, he he contacted me and he's like, mate,

958
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: I'd love to do a show. You know, we can

959
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: talk about sport and footy. And at that stage, I

960
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: never wanted to be an ex player that bagged the

961
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: current lot and look, there's a difference between critiquing and bagging.

962
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: And I always remember at the Broncos how often we

963
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: would walk into training and we'd see an ex player like,

964
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: I can't believe such and such got caught in the

965
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: drink doing this, And as a playing grip, we'd go

966
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: that guy like we mate, we know for a fact

967
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: you were worse than us, and you have the audacity

968
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: to congreence. Then when you when a player like our

969
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: mate stuffed up. And so in my head I was

970
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: like I said to scene Or, look, I'd never want

971
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: to be an ex player that does that. And so

972
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't confident in my ability to kind of analyze

973
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: sport without being too critical and so I said, this

974
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: is what I do. I'll create a show for you.

975
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: Eric Growth as well got involved and two champion Yeah

976
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: absolutely and said well, and so I said what I

977
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: do boys is I'll come up with the concept. I'll

978
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: come up with the idea. I'll send you the equipment

979
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: you to film everything, the microphones, and then you just

980
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: send it to me. I'll edit all and I'll post

981
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: it on my social media. Help you helpe, you go

982
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: your profile, everything, blah blah blah. And so we were

983
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: just like, what's what's the name? What's the name, And

984
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: just randomly, just randomly, halfway between sleep and being awake,

985
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: bloken a bar just came to me. And I just

986
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: love the concept of a bloke in a bar because

987
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: there's something special in Australian culture about a bloke in

988
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: a bar and it means so much to everyone, Like

989
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: it could be for us it's talking about sport, but

990
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: for a woman it could be your meta bloken a

991
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: bar or I mean, we've all got a story about

992
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: a bloken a bar, but also you are a bloken

993
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: a bar. And so that's how I come up with

994
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: the name bloken a bar.

995
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: It's funny in this pain of the ass woke world.

996
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: Do you ever get any pushback?

997
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: Mate? You know what? None? Absolutely, that's encouraging and it is.

998
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: I look, I think it is because like we don't

999
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: get involved in any of that stuff. We're here to

1000
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: talk about sport and we're here to be positive and

1001
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: we'll never get involved in that kind of stuff. My

1002
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: belief is is that I want to provide positive change

1003
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: by making blokes or whoever listens happy each day. That's

1004
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: my contribution to positive change. And I might in my

1005
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 3: personal opinion, it's the strongest way to create positive change

1006
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: is to just make more people happy. You know, a

1007
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: happy person is going to be negative to less people

1008
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: around him, in my opinion. And so yeah, we just

1009
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: yeah we've been super lucky or have had no issues,

1010
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: and yeah, we just never never going to wait into

1011
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: any of that kind of stuff. I'm actually a raging conservative.

1012
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: When you worked in with your maga hat, when you're successful,

1013
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 2: you can get Dad calls them dirt bags, gumbags. They're

1014
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 2: like vultures that have come and feast on your delicious

1015
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: fruit in your carcass. Have you had many people that

1016
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: come and sort of have looked the dodgy cats said, hey,

1017
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: we're looking to invest or, would you like to buy

1018
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: into this? And they're just trying to make a bit

1019
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: of money.

1020
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: Not that many because I don't actually I don't actually

1021
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: network that much or anything. I actually don't get out

1022
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: much at all. But I've had, you know, I've had.

1023
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: The main thing I've dealt with and you know, I'm

1024
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: sure you guys will probably deal with it too, is

1025
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people just think you're stupid because you're

1026
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: a footy player. And I actually like it because it's

1027
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: it's always good at a business table for people to

1028
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: think you're dumb. It's always good. You'd rather people think

1029
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: you're dumb than smart.

1030
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell your story about that, right Crocodile. Paul Hogan

1031
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: and a lot of younger people don't know this name,

1032
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: but John Cornell. John Cornell was a genius, junius television

1033
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: maker and producer and he was the man with actually

1034
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: one of the key figures behind world series Cricket. But

1035
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: also he had the Paul Hogan Show, and he and

1036
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: Hagues were just a great double act heat if you

1037
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: What's Hogan show. He was the guy had light life

1038
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: saver cap on and just took and he was stropped

1039
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: until we talked. He was sort of like that that

1040
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: don't be made of hoagues. Well, they had this concept

1041
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: on to make a movie, Crocodile of Undea, so they

1042
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: went to the States to pitch it. And when they

1043
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: sat down, the people at the table, the Australians who

1044
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: were there with all these American movie executives, apparently one

1045
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: bumped each one bumped the other and not over a

1046
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: john and just went and they sort of smirked, and

1047
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: they honestly thought, have a look at this Australian country

1048
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: bumpkin idiot. Two hours later they walked out of that meeting,

1049
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: looked at each other and just one of them said,

1050
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: what the fuck just happened to us? He just he

1051
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: did that gould a job on him, and of course

1052
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: it just it raked in cobious amounts of money.

1053
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And I you know, initially, when you know,

1054
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: you get into certain meetings and they do treat you

1055
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: a little bit like an idiot, obviously, your ego gets

1056
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: a little bit like they're going to seck, like, you know,

1057
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: I feel like I've done some pretty good stuff. But

1058
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: then you know, eventually just go. It's a it's a

1059
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: genuine advantage. It's a genuine not to suggest I'm some

1060
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: fucking genius. I'm not. Just just they treat you. Most

1061
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: people look at footy players and go and to be fair,

1062
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: we don't help ourselves. But yeah, just is what it is.

1063
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: On the radio show one day and they got a

1064
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: professor on who was the carry out the champion in

1065
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: this FM quiz and it was it was It wasn't

1066
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: a Sydney ratus that was out And they got me

1067
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: on and they were interview me and I just root

1068
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: all the way through it, and then at the end

1069
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: they said, well just hang around after the break we're

1070
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: going to have the quiz and the interviews introduced this

1071
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: professor and he basically been unbeaten for two years and

1072
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: they were laughing, going, oh we've got the professor against

1073
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: the idiot.

1074
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: Well believe I beat him. Really.

1075
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of the questions. What is it was?

1076
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: What is the biggest inland city in Australia Canberra auh.

1077
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: It was a question about you know, what is the song?

1078
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: What city is the someone who museum is Well I

1079
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: was there a few years ago Madrid, and the poor

1080
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: professor he didn't know what hit him, he was getting

1081
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: punked rolled, he got rolled by an idiot that he did.

1082
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: Who's the most impressive person you've ever interviewed?

1083
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: Dinner? Ah, that's impressive. I mean obviously, Maddie, of course. Okay,

1084
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. You know, I had Paul Gallan on early,

1085
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: I had Brad Fhiler on really all. I always appreciate that, Like,

1086
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: you know, this was really on in the podcast. I

1087
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: can't even remember how I got in contact with Freddie

1088
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: Filler and he just said, yeah, sweet no Worries got

1089
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 3: him on, which is incredible. Anythony Mundine in the first

1090
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: few like that was mind blowing. Just message on Facebook

1091
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, bright, no worries, what great fella.

1092
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 3: And he gave me, he literally gave me such good content.

1093
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 3: It was on the news. It was that I don't

1094
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 3: know if you remember it, but it was that quote

1095
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: where he said, I used to be Jonathan Thurson but

1096
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: with twin turbos. You probably don't remember it, but he said,

1097
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: and so I tell you what though, you actually go

1098
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: back to Mundine's career and what he achieved at such

1099
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: a young age. I know a lot of people liked

1100
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 3: I can't make he was unbelievable. Unbelievable. James C. Guiaro

1101
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: was a big one. Like his story just I just

1102
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: never forget him talking about sitting on the front of

1103
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 3: his Like so apparently his father was a relatively wealthy

1104
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: man in P and G and then some business deals

1105
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: went really wrong and got screwed over and they lost

1106
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 3: all everything they had. I think he moved to Australia

1107
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: and I think he might have been living with some

1108
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: foster parents. And just hearing him say he used to

1109
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: sit on the front porch and watch the other kids

1110
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: go to school and he was jealous, and it just

1111
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: always that was like a real just like Jeers, like

1112
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: I was so lucky you and myke bringing. I know

1113
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: it sound selfish to like go back to how you

1114
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: you know it reflects you, But just to hear that

1115
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: story and where he ended up in his incredible career,

1116
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: that was a really interesting chap for me.

1117
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, you just don't know people, do You.

1118
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: Just have no idea, Like like there's something that you

1119
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: take the not even take for granted, something that I

1120
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: used to hate going to school. He's sitting there going

1121
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: I wish I could go to school coman. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah,

1122
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 3: He's definitely one that I always look back on. Go.

1123
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: You know, that was pretty incredible. But I mean the

1124
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: thing with rugby league is like there are so many

1125
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: incredible stories because it's such a you know.

1126
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: It's crazy game.

1127
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 3: It's such a real sport. You know, it's it's from

1128
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: a you know, most it's from lower low socio economic

1129
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: kind of area.

1130
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: What about an interview that didn't go the way you suspected.

1131
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like a well thought it

1132
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: would the most difficult interview. And now when I mean difficult,

1133
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily mean that they sat down there and

1134
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to talk. An example of that,

1135
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: I interviewed Elise Perry one day, who was just amazing,

1136
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: the great you know, greatest female cricket of all time,

1137
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: the cigar phil Sobers of the female game, and she

1138
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: was just so unbelievably modest, eerily modest, and so to

1139
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: be like, I'd ask the question Lisa Maddire, Look, I

1140
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I don't think so I'm going, oh no,

1141
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: but we ended up getting a going. But it was

1142
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: an example like for me, it was like, you, silly bastard,

1143
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: you need to do more research. I never knew she

1144
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: was going to be so that she was so pure,

1145
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: purely modest.

1146
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I've had interviews that I actually haven't released.

1147
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: Obviously won't say who, but I was a young fella

1148
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: and he doesn't play or anything anymore whatever, but yeah,

1149
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: he he was just bragging about certain things, and I

1150
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: was like, mate, if you if this gets released, people

1151
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: are going to be like, what the hell are you

1152
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 3: bragging about?

1153
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: Off field stuff?

1154
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just you know, fighting and all this kind

1155
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: of stuff. And I was just like, what the hell

1156
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: are you thinking of yourself? And look, he was a

1157
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: young fellow sin so like, you know, it might have

1158
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: been nervous and just trying to you know, some young

1159
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: men obviously they beat their chest a little bit. And

1160
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, this guy had every right to

1161
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: you was a bloody good fighter. But yeah, it was

1162
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: just that was just one of those interviews where I

1163
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: was like, probably, like I could have released it and

1164
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: it could have helped me for sure, but I was

1165
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: just worried about I didn't want him to be seen

1166
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: in a negative like because I knew he was young

1167
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: and he probably didn't understand how it was looking. Actually

1168
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: I interviewed Zaratha before the first tim Zoo fight that

1169
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 3: was put together that he pulled out of, and I

1170
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: didn't least that that was That was a weird one

1171
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: because it was a mixture of you know, I was

1172
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that he just pulled out of the

1173
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: tim Zoo fight. I've actually interviewed the RAFA since and

1174
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: he was he was super polite, super nice. But yeah,

1175
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 3: I just again, even though it would have been probably

1176
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: good views for me to put up him talking about

1177
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: tim Zoo, even though and then he's pulled out, because

1178
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: like he's pulled out, and then I put up him

1179
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: going well, this is what he said five days ago.

1180
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: But I was just like, you know what, like, I'm

1181
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: not in this business to get clicks and views like that.

1182
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: I'd rather get in a positive way. So I just

1183
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: didn't put it up.

1184
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: Well, you have such a great relationship with sports people,

1185
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: not just rugby league players, and I think that is

1186
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: crucial to it is that it just really irritates me

1187
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: so much when people use their podcast for a sugar

1188
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: hit and you know a lot of people would sit

1189
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: there and that young player would have been talking about

1190
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: bashing guys and stuff like that, and they would have

1191
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: been thinking this is just gold. We're going to put

1192
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: this out. But you know, the next guy comes along

1193
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: and we've seen podcast there was one going around with

1194
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: one play and it is it is awful because he

1195
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: literally walked into an ambush. Yeah, and he was sitting

1196
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: there just going what is happening now? I can't imagine

1197
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: those two people getting another person on. No. Well, that's

1198
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: what a lot of those podcasts do.

1199
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: Like as soon as you get someone in rugby league

1200
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: and you thrown under the bus like that, everybody find

1201
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: everybody in rugby league. Even though you're at separate team,

1202
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: separate locations, everyone talks like so much. Shit just flies

1203
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: around so quickly. Some of the podcasts that the boys

1204
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: you have done and they've been ambushed and it's been

1205
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: on the news and things like that, like nobody ever.

1206
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Does it at the moment keeps you. There is a

1207
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: major one of the biggest media companies in Australia and

1208
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: not one of the free to wear Neckwik's or the paytivot.

1209
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: I'll leave that which who it is, because it has

1210
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: been well documented that had been doing interviews with Australian

1211
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: soldiers and have found to be editing or putting things

1212
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: in which like they never said, well, they've gone back

1213
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: and looked at it and said, hang on, I didn't

1214
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: do that. And it's come out that they've cleverly edited it. Man,

1215
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: And this is supposed to be an organization of the

1216
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: highest integrity.

1217
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: Wow. One thing I did learn, you know, when I

1218
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: first started, I used to think that, oh my god,

1219
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: I've got this guest that is like a superstar. This

1220
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: is it. This is the moment that it all explodes

1221
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: for me, everyone finds out about who I am. That's

1222
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: absolutely not the case. And it's more along the lines of,

1223
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 3: you know, if you're thinking about getting into media or whatever,

1224
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: look obviously every media you know, and Maddie you can

1225
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: speak more to this than me. And obviously keep during

1226
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 3: as well with mainstream media, like obviously every podcast or

1227
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: radio show or TV show has a different purpose. So

1228
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: like sometimes it is about shock jock, sometimes it's not. Well,

1229
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 3: what I can say if you're you're in a podcasting

1230
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: game for to be seen as like a serious you

1231
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: know a bit of fun but a serious kind of

1232
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: interview kind of podcast or whatever. I promise you no

1233
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: crazy story that's negative will ever put you on the

1234
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 3: map for any lasting amount of time. What will put

1235
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 3: you on the map is consistence, consistently. They might not

1236
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: get as many views as the story, but can just consistent,

1237
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: consistent consistency. That's what puts you on the map, not

1238
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: the crazy viral clip of a bloke saying something silly.

1239
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: You know, people don't even we get so much content

1240
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: these days. You can scroll through and you'll see that

1241
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: crazy story. You actually won't even look at who told us,

1242
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 3: like who actually hosted it. You'll just hear the story,

1243
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: Oh that was crazy, and you just keep scrolling. It's

1244
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: more consistency, in my opinion.

1245
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: I heard an interview with the great Howard Stern the

1246
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: other day. I would say, probably the greatest DJ of

1247
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: all time. Jock, Yeah, shot, Jock is a sort of

1248
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: broad brush incredibly talented and amazing how it'd Stern. They

1249
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: interviewed him just about his young career and making it

1250
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: when he first sort of started to hit and they said,

1251
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, how do you feel about that? And he goes,

1252
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm just so embarrassed, embarrassed. What are you embarrassed about?

1253
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: He said, I used to get these amazing people on

1254
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: and he said, I would Number one either try to

1255
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: compete with them, or Number two put him on show.

1256
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: And I'd never heard the interview, but he cites he said,

1257
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: Robin Williams come in once at his very best firing

1258
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: and he said, I said a few smart things. And

1259
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: he said, then I tried to compete with him. And

1260
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: I said, I just look back at now and he said,

1261
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed, dear.

1262
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you learned. Man. If you go back and

1263
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: watch my first interview which was with bo Ryan Holy,

1264
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: It's just it's terrible. Like it's terrible in a sense.

1265
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything bad. It's just a really poorly

1266
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: executed interview. You learn, Yeah, you learn a whole bunch

1267
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: from your early days, especially, as I said, all the

1268
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: little naive things as well, like for example, like even

1269
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: Anthony Mundine like that went viral, the interview with Anthony

1270
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: Undean that was huge, but like it actually didn't have

1271
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: that much effects numbers wise, like you know, I didn't

1272
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: go and get another ten thousand subscribers from it or whatever.

1273
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: It was more just about longevity, just consistency.

1274
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: Just before we wrap, I want to ask you you

1275
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: do the sen Show on a Friday with Matthew. I

1276
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: remember when you first, like when you guys first. I

1277
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: don't know how it came about. Were you guys come

1278
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: up with the show it together? But Trish Trish did

1279
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: real Trisish, Well, I'm looking.

1280
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: Along and I said to trisham so looking out for someone?

1281
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: Is anyone? Everything? Yeah, you've seen and the things really

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Speaker 1: talented to be really good. And oftentimes I get this.

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Speaker 1: It's not until someone says to me that I go

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: exact perfect and we're walking along. I remember walking along

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00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Beach Road just up the radio and she said, what

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00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: about Dan and Camp? And I went, it's obvious.

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Speaker 2: But I remember when you before you were doing it.

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00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: Might have been after the first episode you went on

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00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 2: your podcast and there was a clip on social media

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: of you just like it was all And I remember

1291
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: thinking it was really weird because I've grown up in

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00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: the social media and I know I knew how big

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00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: you were on social media, and I was like, Dennan's

1294
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: like really starstruck that he's doing this radio show with.

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Speaker 1: Da still Is. When he came in the house, I said, mate,

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Speaker 1: please know bowing.

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Speaker 3: But how was that for you?

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Speaker 2: Going from there and then into that mainstream media with

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: issue was that.

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Speaker 3: Super surreal because like, I'm a forty gamer and like,

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01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: as I said, like I don't I hadn't you know,

1302
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: like I don't have any connections in the industry. I

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: don't really know anyone, Like I'm like the last I

1304
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: put it this way. I remember, you know, when you

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: asked me to come on the show, I would have

1306
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 3: been like, I don't know, maybe a year ago or whatever.

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: The time before I came into the Fox I've only

1308
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: been into Fox Studios twice at that stage, so it

1309
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: was obviously to come on your show. But the time

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: before I'd come down and they I'd send emails to

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Speaker 3: like so this is when the bar was really struggling,

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: Like we had no money, you know, we just needed

1313
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: to find a way to get money in. So I

1314
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: was like, look, I'll go and work like for someone

1315
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: and just like we can hire someone else to to

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01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: like do the bar or whatever. And so I sent

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: emails to like every single media agency like Fox nine

1318
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: seven to everyone basically like look, I've got this podcast,

1319
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Speaker 3: but I'll also come work. And honestly, if they had

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Speaker 3: have offered me minimum wage, I would have said I'm there.

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01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 3: So I sent all these emails out saying, you know,

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01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: I'd love to work for you know, here's what I do.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to I didn't really get any answers back

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: except for Fox, and so they were like, oh, would

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01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: you like to come in on this date? And so

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Speaker 3: I didn't want them to know that it was like

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: a big deal for me to get down because I

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: lived on the Gold Coast. If I said I live

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01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 3: in the Gold Coast, they would have just like, I

1330
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, mate, It's all good. We'll just

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: maybe give you a call or whatever. So yeah, booked

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: flights on a book, flights on a credit card, got

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01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: down there, just you know, acted cool or whatever. I

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: went in for the interview thinking that they were like

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01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: really interested to like, here are my ideas and what

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: I'd achieved at this point in the podcast or whatever,

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: and I just I laid everything, all my ideas, that

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: laid them all out on the table and was like,

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: this is what I think, you know can work. So

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Speaker 3: this would have been like maybe five six years ago,

1341
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: so this is like my ideas that you're seeing infruition now.

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: And anyway, so like I do this big spiel and

1343
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 3: I'm all pumped up and like this is what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 3: and this is how it's gonna work, and this is

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Speaker 3: what I can do. And then he just like he goes, oh,

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: oh okay, yeah, look, we were just wondering if you

1347
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 3: wanted to put the locker room on the cave for free,

1348
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, okay, well yeah, like obviously

1349
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: I can't do that and that and so then so

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01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: like that was the only indiview I'd had at Fox,

1351
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: and then the next time was obviously coming in to

1352
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: go on your show, and like that was that was

1353
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: a big moment for me because I was just like, man,

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01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: I remember last time I came down here, I was

1355
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: so desperate. I would have taken a minimum wage like

1356
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: even a journalist's job, like just anything, and then obviously

1357
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: I get to come on your show. And that's the thing,

1358
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: Like that's why I was. I'm so star struck, is

1359
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: because like or so appreciative of the offer, because from

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01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 3: my perspective, like internally, like I don't really I didn't

1361
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 3: really know anyone in industry. Everything had just been built

1362
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: from like literally nothing, and so I just couldn't believe that,

1363
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: you know, I'd gone from editing in my bedroom learning

1364
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: how to edit on YouTube all the way to that.

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been enormous help to us as well,

1366
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: honest in the podcast world, lots of things. You know.

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01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: You have come over here just to help us out

1368
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: purely and again today mate, we really appreciate it. Mate. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's one thing, mate, if you've got intalent, talent, intelligence

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Speaker 1: and perseverance, you can't be beaten.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. One hundred percent. I totally agree. I

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: just need the maybe the intelligence and we'll be sweet.

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Speaker 1: You beat me to the punch there, boys,