WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 7 April 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:08.280 Late Welcome to the Late deb Base. Good evening and 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.080 welcome to the program. I'm kayleb Bond with Joe Hildebrand, 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:15.440 who's trying to do the cryptic crossword and Liz Storer. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.560 What's coming up in the show tonight? Karjackings through the 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.919 Roof in Victoria will tell you who is responsible for 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.759 the majority of them. It may will shock you the 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.600 amazing cost, huge cost of taking the queen off the 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.840 five dollar note. It costs a lot of money. It 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.199 turns out to trash, the monarchy. And the dog that 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.519 decided to take on a croc, We'll show you that 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.640 on the front of the INNT news. And the former 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:43.160 Queensland Premiere gets himself into a powerlifting competition. We'll show 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.320 you how that went a little bit later. Now you know, 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.680 if you're a regular viewer of this program or any 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.479 other program on which I appear on this network, that 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.520 I do not like counsels. I have it in for them. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.320 I have had for a very long time, ever since 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.200 I started as a local government reporter in Adelaide about 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.399 a decade ago. And with every passing day there is 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.920 just yet another reason I think we must be up 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.800 to five hundred and fifty seven, two hundred and forty nine, 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.600 now why they ought to be abolished? And tonight it 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.800 comes in the form of Liverpool Council in Sydney. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:17.479 Where would you. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.560 Believe they have managed to spend more than three hundred 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:26.319 thousand dollars investigating sixty seven complaints made by councilors about 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.240 other councilors in just six months. This was in the 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.760 Sydney Morning Herald today. They reported that the council urged 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.720 the New South Wales Office of Local Government to intervene 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.280 after report found staff had received these sixty seven complaints 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:44.479 about councilor's conduct since September, more than a dozen times 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.040 the number of complaints in all of twenty twenty three 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.880 twenty four. So that means sixty seven complaints in six 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.960 months up to March when they received this report, and 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.560 five in the financial year before that. I mean, here 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.280 do you go from five plaints to sixty seven complaints? 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.280 The Sydney Morning Herald suggests this may have something to 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.760 do with a stout between the me and Ned Balloon 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.000 and his political rival Peter Ristevski. We shall find some 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.519 of that detail out in the wash. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:15.320 I suspect. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.840 But these sixty seven complaints, fourteen of them are currently 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:23.520 under investigation. Fourteen are being reviewed externally. That's code for 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.639 we sent them to lawyers. That's what they're paying all 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.880 this money for. Twenty three are being looked at internally 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.839 and only four of them were not back for having 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:37.800 no basis whatsoever. There is also a public integrity inquiry 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.360 coming up into this council in June. They're going to 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.000 have public sessions to discuss whether or not this council 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.800 has engaged in misconduct after reports that came out last year. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.280 And you'd have to think, Liz, with sixty seven complaints 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.760 on the book to the tune of about three hundred 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.240 and forty k in legal fees, there's certainly something they 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:59.760 need to be dealing with at this council. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.400 These people aren't fit to serve. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.200 What kind of narcissists do you have to be to 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:05.840 take up this. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.200 Much time of council staff and all. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.520 Their efforts to sort out your petty squabbles amongst each other, 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.160 rather than just being grown up adults who are elected 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.040 to serve, And that's what you're supposed to be spending 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.680 your time looking after. They all run for local government, 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.160 being like I just want to make our patch a 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:31.520 wonderful place to live, to grow up, to have a family, etc. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:32.440 And so on. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.080 And then they get in there and they're so consumed 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.520 by their own in house rivalries and bickering and pettiness. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.920 They're chewing through hundreds of thousands. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.880 Of rappayer I was about to say, tax dollars whatever. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.800 They're chewing through all this money, all this time that 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.280 that council staff could be spending on running the jolly council. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.280 It's just ridiculous. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.960 Get a life, get a life, your losers grow. You're 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.480 elected representatives now, and this isn't what anyone elected you 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:04.880 to do. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.200 It's embarrassing, Joe, It's just amazing. It's just so incredible 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.080 to watch. It's like a tiny it's like a mini 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.880 sort of Donald Trump's thing happening just right for us 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.200 in southwest Sydney. So the background of all this is 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.839 you've got this kind of firebrand or not fire brown, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.440 but like colorful local identity if you like, called Ned Manoon. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.320 Who's this little sort of pocket rocket dynamo guy. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:25.120 He's a liberal. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.760 He's governing an area which by rights should be Labor heartland, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.039 and we're seeing some of these shifts at the federal 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.680 election as well, you know, with things like die Lee 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.040 coming in in the seat of Fowler right, run by 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.839 Frank Carbone as the mayor of Fairfield, pretty similar to 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.160 Ned Manoon. I saw Ned last week at the Daily 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:43.560 Telegraphs Western Sydney Forum. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:44.120 How ain't it? 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.599 But you know, he's been accused of a lot of stuff. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.520 He's basically run the council. I think he got in 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.320 in twenty sixteen or something, so he's held on to 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.120 this thing for dear life, when technically he sort of 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.880 should be from the opposite party. And a lot of 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.080 these people were former Labour who then go to Liberal, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:01.599 but I don't. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.120 Think he was anyway, So he's got this. So he's 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:04.400 got this. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.680 Hold on the council and there's this massive kind of 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.160 feud with this guy Ristevski, as you say, and Ristevski 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.320 has obviously fallen out and then set up this Facebook page. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.520 Accountant this is the Twisters, right, So instead of this 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:23.200 Facebook page, he's called Ned Manoon all sorts of mean things, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.240 including a criminal grab Ned Susan. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.520 The lawso doesn't work. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.800 But again to that, this guy is Deadnoon's former accountant. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.360 Now, if there is anyone you don't want to get offside, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.320 if there's anyone you don't want, I mean my accountant. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.560 But god knows what I do. I can't even add up. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.680 It's your former accountant and is out there going wrong, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.240 bagging away on social media. Is there at the council 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.000 yelling at They yelled at each other at gauther of meetings. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.160 It's just bonkers, but I love it. I can't help it. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.520 If anyone knows where the body's are buried. The accountant, right, 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.880 he certainly knows. And you know I was my accountant, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.480 can you believe called me up some years ago and said, Caleb, 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.359 I've got a couple of horses I think you should 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.120 buy into. I mean, when your accountant starts telling you 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.200 to buy horses with him, you should probably go and 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:12.799 find another. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:14.640 By bye bye. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.400 I did buy and look, one of them was all right. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.760 The other one was a dad and we had to 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.280 sell him. But there no offense. Peers. I'm not saying 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.600 you're a bad account You're a fantastic accountant. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.520 And a good friend as well. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:33.320 Terrible, but seriously, if they cannot get over this, stuff 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:37.559 and just act like normal adult. How do the rest 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.680 of us deal with issues in now know we go 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.360 and talk to someone and actually sort it out. And 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.159 surely if you are a counselor and you're putting yourself 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.240 up as a public representative, you're doing so because you 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.400 think you have something to offer. And if we've got 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.200 to offer, is spending legal fees on your dispute with 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.200 the guy who sits next to you in the meeting. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.800 Another great fun fact about Liverpool or a council by 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.640 the way, So they got twenty thousand dollars of money 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:11.280 that was intended for local grants and instead they gave 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.200 it to Lebanon in the middle of the conflict between 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.200 Israel and Hamas and Hezbela. And then they realized after 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.960 they die it they had nothing left in the community 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.480 grants program. So they wrote a letter to the state 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.880 government asking the state government if they could pay the 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.040 twenty thousand dollars that they just given to You've got 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.600 getting me absolutely serious, absolutely serious. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.240 Hopefully the rate guys around forever attention. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.440 But they just had their election in September, so you've 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.880 got a long wait to get rid of these bad apples. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.840 Well, yesterday we saw the Liberal. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:53.360 Party ditch Ben Britain, an Australian Army veteran, from running 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.320 for the siege of Whitlam in New South Wales. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.000 Why I'm glad you are. They said he has. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:05.240 Controversial views inconsistent with the party's position. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.520 The most, the one that media has banged. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.880 On about the most is him saying, as a former 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.640 army vet himself, I don't think women should be serving 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.040 in combat positions. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.520 Here he is, but we've got the best toys, the 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.440 best gear, but the personnel is at the worst level 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.440 it has ever been. That's the direct result of Defense 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:32.600 Force recruiting, lowering of standards in particularly to allow females 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.800 into combat roles. They said they'd never do it, it'd 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.800 always be the standard and we would have to pass 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.080 the standard. Ever since they said that, they've dropped it 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.520 because they want a thirty percent quota of females. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:43.160 If we're going to. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.160 Fix our defense force, unfortunate, they're going to need to 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.400 remove females from combat cause. And that's not an attack 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.720 on females that I serve with some of the greatest 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.720 females in the Defense Force, tremendous people and I'm very, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.400 very glad to have met them and known them because 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.720 they made my life better knowing them. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.280 I ask you, how is this not just common sense? 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.040 It was very controversial at the time the change was 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.880 made back in twenty thirteen, with many people who still 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.840 recognize the vast physical differences between men and women saying hey, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.719 maybe women don't belong on the front lines. And even 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:22.480 as a culture issue, it really changes things when bloats 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.480 have to accommodate for the fact that women are present 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:30.400 in these really hard, embattled situations when it was normally 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.440 all blokes to account for. So what other controversial views 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.920 has been Britain said? I refer to the Guardian article. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.760 Among Britain's other claims express on the prodcasts are Number one, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:49.480 exposure to pornography leads to gender dysphoria AND's transgender desires. Well, 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.679 depending on the type of borne he's talking about, that's 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:59.240 approvable fact, pornography shape's tastes absolutely. Number Two, Labor intentionally 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.280 keeps some election trits poor to have a better chance 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.840 of winning them. Is that really so outside of the 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:09.040 liberals realm of possibility? Number Three, Australia should look at 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.000 the Isle of Man for lessons on introducing a flat 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.319 tax rate to attract billionaires. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.600 Well, I love an ideas, guy, I'm. 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.520 Still waiting for a firable offense here, Peter Dutton. Number four, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:27.000 the education system has brainwashed young Australians with Marxist ideology. Well, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.520 hardy a men from me, and I'll wager all of 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:34.160 you at home, which begs the question why was this. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.480 Guy stood down? 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.200 I'd love to see a guy like this in Parliament, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.680 but no, Dutton has said just yesterday he's turfed. They've 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.480 already replaced him because of these oh soo controversial views. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.440 Pay attention to what the supposed Conservative Party here in 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.000 Australia considers controversial. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.080 That's all I can say. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.840 I don't see the issues. A bloke says, I don't 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.280 think women belong in combat. I mean, is something wrong 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:11.240 with that? And look, if there is a woman out 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.320 there who can meet the standards to get into the military. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.200 I'm talking before they lowered the standards specifically to allow 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.840 women in. Go for your life if that's what you 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.000 want to do. I'm not here to stop anyone from 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.439 joining up to the military, but why would we voluntarily 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.160 make it harder potentially for other people in combat. I'm 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:34.040 talking about their fellow defense force personnel. If we have 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.560 to pick up slack because you've said, okay, we're going 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.240 to lower the threshold so we can allow women in, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.160 so we can tick a box to say where we're 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.480 living the Dei lifestyle. I don't see how that's good 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.839 for the world or women, to be perfectly frank, I mean, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.679 when Jijingping sends his mob down or anyone else. What, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.040 We're just going to send out any old lackey woman 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.360 who wants to go out and fight. I don't see 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:56.920 what's good. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.240 Imagine it would be sending everyone we possibly could. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.560 The thing and this is what should be considered, of course, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.320 is if you lower the standard to allow women. If 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.160 conscription ever came back, and there's a possibility if you 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.120 were in a war with a country like China and 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.200 you need it as many people as possible, there are 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.719 a lot of women out there who don't want to 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.840 go anywhere near a war who may will have to 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.640 do so because we lower the standards and say off 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:19.800 you go. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.080 I don't think we'll be heading for the sort of 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.760 war that has conscription anytime ever in the future, you'd 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.360 want to hope not that's right, because humans just can't 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.040 do what robots can do, and so it doesn't matter. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.920 But like, I'm not particularly outraged by anything this guy said, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.880 and whether you know this is an example of him 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.960 whether he should be sacked from a regular position that 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.920 he might hold doing whatever he does, you know, outside 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.520 of public life. But the fact of the matter is, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.480 as he's becoming very very apparent in this election campaign, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.480 is that these sorts of views are not mainstream, that 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:54.880 most they are. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.800 I don't think so they are. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.560 Don't you think most people want to put. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:00.160 Women in the world. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.200 Chipper at war? No, I think most. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.600 I think most people would think that women should have 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.560 the right to perform all the same duties in our 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.960 force physically can't. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.200 So you know the stemiological reality. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:13.240 Well, I don't think he is. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.079 Actually he's actually saying that he's said that he's the 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.880 clip he said that he doesn't like the idea of 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.480 sending beautiful women off to. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.280 While he stands simply said why would you want to? 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.120 In another part of the podcast, he was like, why. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.400 Would you want to? Women are the backbone of society. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.040 We produce children. Nobody else can do that, Why would 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.679 you say, why would you send them off to all? 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.000 I don't think that's objectionable. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:40.720 As I don't think it's all. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.760 It's certainly not a fireable offense. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.840 No, But it's not a matter of whether it's fireable. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.200 It's a matter of whether he is the best candidate 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.800 to win the hearts and minds of the voters of 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.120 the seat of Whitlam, which is currently held by Labor 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.439 by over sixty percent, and that's after a swing against it. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.880 So so look, he's not going to win anyway. But 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.400 the problem is for Peter Dutton. And again I don't 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.360 know why it takes so long for this to dawn 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.520 on him, that these kind of things that are out 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.440 there's incredibly unpopular with women. This is why he had 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.440 to drop the working from home policy. That's why he 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.559 had to drop the I'm going to sack forty one 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.280 thousand public servants policy. This comes up in focus groups, 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.800 privately and publicly. It's presumably come up finally in the 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.920 Liberal Party's own focus groups and research, where it was 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.560 found that this is actually such a massive, massive problem 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.280 that they've had to take the incredibly humiliating step of 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.400 completely publicly reversing their position. And when you have a 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.160 candidate like this who says I think women, beautiful women 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.560 should be at home being the backbone of society or 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.080 having babies or whatever, and not in the front line, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.000 that is that is deadly for done and that is 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.480 why they have done well. You might think it's common sense, 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.000 but the vast majority of Australians I don't think, I. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.600 Genuinely do believe that at all. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.240 I think the vast majority of Australias, if they're honest 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.280 with themselves, like, yes, women cannot do what men can 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.240 do on the front lines of combat. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.640 That is inarguable. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.680 It's literally and I'd also argue there are many things 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.480 women can do that men can't do, including having children, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.920 though apparently that's not the case these days. The bloke 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.680 who has replaced been written as the Liberal candidate for 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.160 Nathaniel Smith is a good bloke and he lives locally, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.040 and I think he'll be a good candidate. But I 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:24.440 just don't know. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.880 I just think the point is the very fact that 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.280 this is what we call. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.480 The Conservative Party here in Australia. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.520 Turf to guy of reviews like that, I'm like, okay. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.960 Well, i'd never run for you anyway, But. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.320 If I was thinking about it, I would have ditched 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.960 that when I read this story, because that is unacceptable. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.360 What a sham of a Conservative Party, what an absolute sham. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.640 While we're talking about Dutton reversing things, we saw a 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.360 policy reversal today of course on working from home and 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.600 sacking public servants. So of course previously he had said 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.280 about working from home that public servants in Canberra ought 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.000 to be back in the office. This was Peter Dutton 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:04.520 last month. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.640 I think Australian taxpayers, who are working harder than ever 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.720 under this government and barely keeping the head above water, 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.040 I think they expect the government and the government employees 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.600 to be working as hard as they are, and people 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.040 refusing to go back to work in Canberra is not acceptable. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.400 And as recently as the Budget reply speech at the 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.720 end of last month, he was saying we need to 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.280 gut the public service. We need to get rid of 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.840 the forty one thousand extra public servants that the Albanese 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.120 government has added to the ledger Well. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.960 Reverse labors increase of forty one thousand camera public servants 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.680 because it will save about seven billion dollars a year. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.480 That's money that we can provide back to the Australian 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.560 people in frontline services. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.320 Well, you ain't getting your seven billion dollars anymore because 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.040 Peter Dutton has worked enough today and decided we got 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.920 it all wrong here. He was speaking in Adelaide this morning. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.240 We got it wrong and we've apologized for it. We 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.560 support flexible workplace arrangements and our plan, which was only 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.959 ever targeted for the public service in camera labor has 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.720 been able to crowd into a scare campaign. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.600 So what's left? I mean, well, we we'll just roll 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.679 it all back. I suppose next week there will be 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.239 no policies left whatsoever. Stick to your guns right now. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.600 The argument here is supposedly that people everywhere thought that 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.040 this was an attack on working from home and that 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.760 Peter Dutton was somehow going to walk into their private 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.240 sector offices and drag them home or from home into 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:36.719 the office and if you don't do it, you're going 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.200 to get in big trouble. He can't do that. He's 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:44.600 talking specifically about the public service. We're in a position now, Joe, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.000 where the public service has Peter Dutton so tightly by 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.760 the grulies that in the middle of an election campaign, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.399 he would drop a policy that he was talking about 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.520 ad nauseum for months. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:57.840 Yep. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:05.000 And again it's just it's just I think it is utterly. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:07.760 I've talked to that. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.480 Many people on both sides who just literally cannot remember 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.000 anything like this coming out in the middle of an election. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.399 Came I'm so sorry, this centerpiece of our election platform 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.920 was actually completely wrong. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:20.720 We'll never do it again. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.200 It's like the saying the fish card wonder where the 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.680 bad guys hanging John Clice outside the building by I'll 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.520 never apologize and never pod I'm so sorry I was 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:33.119 completely out. And again, this is what happens when you 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.359 and the left had the same problem as well. And 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.080 they do it as well, and I've railed against them, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.080 but this is what happens when you do not stress 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:44.040 test your policies to make sure that the mainstream community 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.600 is on board and not just your usual sort of 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.560 cheer leaders. And it's what happens when you don't wargame. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.480 What happens when your opponents attack these policies because that 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.320 is exactly what they're going to do an election, and 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.480 you say they were just for public servants in Canberra 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.720 and bureaucats in camera. That's absolutely right, but that was 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.200 not the narrative that was being pushed. It was being 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.719 pushed as public servants full stop. And the fact that 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.480 they were being cast as being lazy kind of skyvers 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.320 not work for working from home. That implied that anyone 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.520 else who was working for home was actually just taking 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.879 the piss and wasn't really working, and that obviously people 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.040 take that to be an insult. It also suggests that 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.159 the government when it gets in, if it's not going 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.520 to allow public servants to work from home, then it 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.159 might start to make people in the private sector or 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.359 make rules for people in the private sector or whatever 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.359 to come back. And the other thing that happened is 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.320 it got confused with all the growth in public sector 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.040 employment full stop that has been driving employment growth in 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:42.240 the country that everyone's. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:42.440 Been talking about. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:49.399 That's right, not just bureaucrats in Canberra, but nurses, cops, teachers, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.880 aged care workers which are covered federally, soldiers. We're talking 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.560 about people joining the army and suddenly apparently in the 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.760 seat of Herbert, which covers Townsville, there were actually military 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.800 per us now going hang on a minute, am I 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.720 One of the forty one thousand that he's going to 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.280 sack am I one of the one of the ones 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.080 who won't be able to work from home if I want. 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.000 But there's a messaging problem, right, It's like you literally 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.040 announced this ubut policy that everyone. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.720 Was supposed to like, yeah. 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.120