Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's warning to China and his vow to fix
Speaker 3: Albanese's broken relations with our allies. This is Dutton's most
Speaker 3: important speech yet. I'll come to it in a moment.
Speaker 3: The controversial new entrant in Australia's ritualist and the author
Speaker 3: who went behind the scenes with the billionaires. He'll tell
Speaker 3: us all the details that's coming up. Plus, was the
Speaker 3: CIA involved in the assassination of JFK top secret documents
Speaker 3: now laid bare. Adam Crichton would join me to discuss
Speaker 3: and Albanese's hypocrisy for attacking Dutton over a fundraiser when
Speaker 3: he held one on exactly the same day. This is the
Speaker 3: left wing media tries to sell the narrative that Dutton
Speaker 3: has a women problem. I'll discuss this with Matt Cadavan
Speaker 3: and Basil zemplus shot, but first tonight, the upcoming election
Speaker 3: is not just about policies but values, and the value
Speaker 3: is that we want to underpin the governing of our
Speaker 3: country well. Peter art And today spoke with precision and
Speaker 3: clarity as he promised to return conviction and principles to
Speaker 3: foreign policy if he wins the election. He gave a
Speaker 3: major speech to the Loewy Institute, focusing on foreign affairs
Speaker 3: and defense.
Speaker 2: He spoke of.
Speaker 3: Russia, Ukraine, China and Israel, and his message today was
Speaker 3: one of strength in the face of our adversaries and
Speaker 3: unwavering friendship with our allies who share our values. This
Speaker 3: was shockingly refreshing to hear.
Speaker 4: Now foreign policy will be underpinned by moral clarity. I
Speaker 4: believe there is right and wrong, and good and evil
Speaker 4: in the world. Of course, in many ways democracies have
Speaker 4: lost their resolve, their confidence because we've become susceptible to
Speaker 4: the false arguments of advocates of keyboard warriors and conspiracy
Speaker 4: theorists who distort morality for political ends.
Speaker 3: Keyboard Warriors, indeed, and Dutton pose the question that if
Speaker 3: we don't stand with friends and allies during their darkest hour,
Speaker 3: then who will stand with us in hours. In cutting remarks,
Speaker 3: Dutton said Albanese's weakness and inexperience in defense, diplomacy and
Speaker 3: national security were now endangering Australians.
Speaker 4: The government is the most left wing since the Whitlam
Speaker 4: government of the seventies, and we are less safe because
Speaker 4: of it. History is shown that acquiescence or appeasement ends
Speaker 4: in a cul de sac of strategic misfortune or worse.
Speaker 3: His criticism of the Albanese government was brutal.
Speaker 2: He didn't only.
Speaker 3: Highlight Albanese's weakness, but is inexperience. And Dutton said that
Speaker 3: in Albany twenty six years in the parliament, he'd never
Speaker 3: held a single national security or economic portfolio and basically
Speaker 3: had no experience in foreign affairs. It's why Alberzi is
Speaker 3: dominated by Penny Wong's warpped radical leftist.
Speaker 2: View of the world.
Speaker 3: And Dutton described Albanese's leadership as morally confused.
Speaker 2: And isn't it just.
Speaker 4: The reason we've seen catastrophic failures in defense, diplomacy and
Speaker 4: national security under the government is that Anthony Alberzi has
Speaker 4: not provided strong, clear sighted and values driven leadership. Instead
Speaker 4: of prioritizing the national interest in international policy, the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister has been driven by political expediency or too often
Speaker 4: he views foreign policy through the lens of domestic opportunism
Speaker 4: because he has the wrong priorities. Anthony Albernese's decisions have
Speaker 4: rightly been defined by weakness.
Speaker 3: It's inarguably and unconsciraby virtually true that we've seen lily
Speaker 3: lived weakness from Albanesi in the face of hostile dictatorships.
Speaker 3: Just as the world is aghast at Trump's embrace of Putin,
Speaker 3: the same can be said of Albanesi cozying up to China.
Speaker 3: Even when Beijing challenged our sovereignty or deliberately injured our
Speaker 3: defense personnel, Albanesi failed to.
Speaker 2: Utter a harsh word.
Speaker 3: He failed to confront she when he saw him in
Speaker 3: person at the G twenty and more recently, Albanesi insisted
Speaker 3: China had given warning of life fire exercises in the
Speaker 3: Tasman Sea, when in fact they outrageously had it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: This submissiveness, and it is submissiveness. It's earned him the
Speaker 3: patronizing moniker of handsome boy with the Chinese and Dutton
Speaker 3: Wan today that the tensions in our region could escalate
Speaker 3: into conflict, and he spoke of the new we need
Speaker 3: to maintain a respect for relationship and a healthy trade
Speaker 3: relationship with China whilst still calling out aggression.
Speaker 4: But time and again the government has failed to call
Speaker 4: out the Chinese Communist Party's military aggression against men and
Speaker 4: women of the Australian Defense Force. Red lines need to
Speaker 4: be made clear, especially in a period of tension, because
Speaker 4: if they're not, we end up with a situation like
Speaker 4: the one in recent weeks, the situation where the Chinese
Speaker 4: Navy provided no notice of its life fire exercise whilst
Speaker 4: it circumnavigated Australia, a situation where our national maritime surveillance
Speaker 4: was outsourced to a Virgin Airline pilot.
Speaker 3: And Dartan said self censorship was a price that no
Speaker 3: self respecting country should ever pay, especially a democracy like ours.
Speaker 3: Well then, on Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Albert Easy claims
Speaker 3: to stand with Ukraine, but still hasn't fulfilled some basic
Speaker 3: requests that have been made of us, and that includes
Speaker 3: delivering M one Abrams tanks, also requests for our thermal
Speaker 3: coal in winter or donating out of service MRH ninety
Speaker 3: Taipan helicopters. Instead they were torn apart and buried. Albanizi
Speaker 3: now says he wants to send Australian troops into Harm's way,
Speaker 3: yet he didn't even think it was safe enough to
Speaker 3: open our.
Speaker 2: Embassy in Kiev.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are utterly bizarre and conflicting comments well.
Speaker 3: Dutton spoke today about his personal disappointment in how President Zelenski.
Speaker 2: Was treated at the White House, but then he.
Speaker 3: Also praised Donald Trump's objective to want to end the conflict,
Speaker 3: and then on Israel. As you know, Australia has utterly
Speaker 3: abandoned our strategic ally in the Middle East, and Dartan
Speaker 3: today described this as the Prime Minister's most egregious foreign
Speaker 3: policy failure. In a portion of his speech, he described
Speaker 3: each step of Pennywong and Albanese's horrific failures, and then
Speaker 3: he spoke about how he'd fix them.
Speaker 4: Following Hamas's barbaric attack on Israel, the government should have
Speaker 4: sent a strong and clear message that it stood with
Speaker 4: our ally. Instead, the government's response was suppined. We began
Speaker 4: to hear unreasonable calls for immediate restraint, calls for Israel
Speaker 4: to not look back in anger, calls for Israel to
Speaker 4: de escalate and to pause its military response. Now. These
Speaker 4: calls persisted despite hostages remaining in chains and being executed.
Speaker 4: These calls continued despite Hamasa's odious terror network remaining active.
Speaker 4: And these calls endured while Hesbala rained down thousands of
Speaker 4: rockets on Israel and while Hodi's in Iranian RAJ launch
Speaker 4: missile and Draine attacks.
Speaker 3: Now dartan And also spoke about how Penny Wong's call
Speaker 3: for unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state while Hamas continues
Speaker 3: to hold hostages was effectively an endorsement of Hamas's use
Speaker 3: of terror to achieve political ends, and Darton said Israel
Speaker 3: has been treated as though it were an adversary and
Speaker 3: not a friend.
Speaker 4: The government has adopted adversarial positions towards Israel to shore
Speaker 4: up Labour's votes in certain seats where there are undeniably
Speaker 4: anti Israel and anti Semitic views, and.
Speaker 2: How true is that?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: These are relations that Darton says he will restore if
Speaker 3: he becomes Prime minister.
Speaker 4: If I become Prime minister, one of my first orders
Speaker 4: of business will be to call Prime Minister net Yahoo
Speaker 4: to build on the one on one meeting I had
Speaker 4: with him during my recent visit, and to help rebuild
Speaker 4: the relationship Labour has trashed. Israel will be able to
Speaker 4: count on our support again in the United Nations and again.
Speaker 4: UNRA has employed terrorists from Hamas who participated in the
Speaker 4: seven October attacks. The organization will no longer receive a
Speaker 4: dollar of funding from a government.
Speaker 1: That I need.
Speaker 3: If only this strength, this clarity, was bipartisan federal foreign
Speaker 3: policy as it once was.
Speaker 2: Our failure to stand.
Speaker 3: Strong and firm is part of the reason why Trump
Speaker 3: won't pick up Albanese's phone calls. He doesn't want a
Speaker 3: relationship with Albanesi. His entire team are hoping that the
Speaker 3: left wing experiment of the Albanese government will be over
Speaker 3: shortly and that they can start afresh with Dutton and
Speaker 3: figures that they already have a solid working relationship with
Speaker 3: people like James Patterson and Andrew hasty Well. Dutton today
Speaker 3: said he believed he'd have a closer relationship with Trump,
Speaker 3: wouldn't be hard, and thus he'd be able to achieve
Speaker 3: outcomes for our national interest.
Speaker 4: And I do believe that if there's a change of government,
Speaker 4: I will be able to work with the Trump administration
Speaker 4: mark too to get better outcomes for Australians. I will
Speaker 4: seek to meet President Trump in Washington. In the early
Speaker 4: days of the Dutton coalition government.
Speaker 3: Now we often talk about peace through strength and it's
Speaker 3: a message the Dutton reinforced today. He spoke about increasing
Speaker 3: defense capabilities becoming more self reliant as a nation and
Speaker 3: also resilient. And he said this includes developing energy security
Speaker 3: and fuel reserves. He said, if this didn't happen, we
Speaker 3: could be left flat footed in uncertain times. And because
Speaker 3: we are living in uncertain times, more than ever, we
Speaker 3: need a clear eyed view of our enemies and our allies.
Speaker 3: We can't afford continued moral confusion. We can't afford to
Speaker 3: bow down to dictators. We need strength of leadership to
Speaker 3: protect our sovereignty, the values that underpin our democracy and
Speaker 3: that safeguard our national security. Okay, let's bring in now
Speaker 3: our Thursday Panel National Senate, National Senator Matt Cadavan and
Speaker 3: WA Liberal MP Basil Zemplars.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to start.
Speaker 3: With you, Basil, breaking news this afternoon that WA Liberal
Speaker 3: leader Libby Mattham is standing down this after poor performance
Speaker 3: at the state.
Speaker 2: Election on March the eighth.
Speaker 3: Basil, tell us live here, are you going to throw
Speaker 3: your hat in the ring for leader of the Liberal
Speaker 3: Party in Wa?
Speaker 5: Well, first, and Sherry, good evening to you and Matt.
Speaker 5: You never told me it was going to be like this,
Speaker 5: and not this quickly anyway, Cherry, I will put my
Speaker 5: hand up or at least put my hat into the ring,
Speaker 5: and I accept that between now and next Tuesday, the
Speaker 5: Liberal Party room meeting will likely be It's a reasonable
Speaker 5: question that I'm going to be asked and will be
Speaker 5: asked repeatedly if I don't answer, so I think it's
Speaker 5: the right thing to do say yes I will. And
Speaker 5: also to say a huge thank you to Libby met
Speaker 5: him for her enormous contribution as leader over the last
Speaker 5: two years, but in particular during the most recent election campaign,
Speaker 5: she was magnificent, even though the seats result did not
Speaker 5: reflect that well.
Speaker 3: Big news there, Basil Zamplus will be running for Leader
Speaker 3: of the Liberal Party in WA. Basil Libby has said
Speaker 3: that she would like to be the deputy leader of
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: Would you like to have her as your deputy?
Speaker 5: I really welcomed that news from Libby today. I think
Speaker 5: that's hugely important to me if I end up being
Speaker 5: the leader, and hugely important to our lower house team.
Speaker 5: Libby will be the only member of that lower House
Speaker 5: team for the Liberal Party in the West Australian Parliament
Speaker 5: with parliamentary experience. Clearly that is going to be important.
Speaker 5: I've always enjoyed working side by side with her, particularly
Speaker 5: through the campaign when we got to do it quite
Speaker 5: a lot. It felt tremendous. I think it was effective,
Speaker 5: and we enjoy each other's company professionally, and the prospect
Speaker 5: of working side by side with her to hold this
Speaker 5: labor government to account is one that I'm really looking
Speaker 5: forward to. So yes, I absolutely welcome that news from Living.
Speaker 3: I mean, she blamed leadership instability as a factor for
Speaker 3: the poor showing at the state election.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that assessment?
Speaker 3: And I mean there has been at least reported rivalry
Speaker 3: between the two of you, So do you accept any
Speaker 3: responsibility for this.
Speaker 1: Share?
Speaker 5: There are things that I can't control, and clearly I
Speaker 5: have been the Lord Mayor of the City of Perth,
Speaker 5: and I have had a high profile in this city
Speaker 5: because of my thirty year broadcast career, and so people
Speaker 5: have made assumptions or used that form of notoriety with
Speaker 5: me to perhaps suggest things that simply weren't the case.
Speaker 5: I do accept, of course, what happened back in November,
Speaker 5: not of my doing was unhelpful and unnecessary. But I
Speaker 5: think the election result was because of the election campaign,
Speaker 5: and more to the point, I think it was because
Speaker 5: of the absolute strength of this Labor government, and so
Speaker 5: I think people have seen those events as quite separate.
Speaker 5: And the last thing I'll say is, as Matt would
Speaker 5: know from having observed closely, it's a convention of the
Speaker 5: Liberal Party right around Australia that after an election all
Speaker 5: leadership positions are spilled. I'm not in control of that.
Speaker 5: And Libby has decided not to put her hand up
Speaker 5: for leader. And so now, having been asked, will you
Speaker 5: put your hand up for leader?
Speaker 3: I am saying yes, I will right well, if she
Speaker 3: is blaming leadership instability for the result of March eight,
Speaker 3: and if she becomes your deputy, I guess you have
Speaker 3: to hope that there's no white aunting going on there
Speaker 3: as revenge.
Speaker 2: Matt, any advice for Vawso do you think you'll make
Speaker 2: a good Liberal leader in WA?
Speaker 6: I think I've lost pretty much every leadership I haven't
Speaker 6: challenged myself and anyone I've been involved in.
Speaker 1: So all the best to Basil.
Speaker 6: I mean, we might be saying goodbye to and this
Speaker 6: might be his last hurrah, but I do wish him
Speaker 6: all the best over there in the West because I
Speaker 6: think you know, I've got a great love for the
Speaker 6: West Australian people. I spent a lot of time there
Speaker 6: was Resources Minister, and I think Basil's right that the
Speaker 6: Labor government kind of got re elected because West Australia
Speaker 6: has benefited from what has been an amazing commodity price
Speaker 6: boom the last couple of years. But that's ending, that's receding,
Speaker 6: and I don't think this Labor Party government over there
Speaker 6: is doing enough to attract new investment. They haven't been
Speaker 6: able to settle the Northwest Shelf with the federal government.
Speaker 6: Might see more about that next week in Canberra. They've
Speaker 6: sat back and let the live export industry be destroyed,
Speaker 6: and they made a complete, hash complete mess of the
Speaker 6: native title changes which continue to cause issues right around
Speaker 6: the country. So look, I think there might be a
Speaker 6: turning point at sometime in the next few years when
Speaker 6: things might get a bit tougher in a more difficult
Speaker 6: commodity price environment, and West Australia, the whole country needs
Speaker 6: West Australian governor's pro business, pro development and gets that
Speaker 6: state moving.
Speaker 3: All right, let's have a look at some of the
Speaker 3: other stories around today. Now, no one could have missed
Speaker 3: Albanezi and all of his labor ministers, absolutely smashing Darton
Speaker 3: for attending a fundraiser four days before ex tropical cyclone
Speaker 3: Alfred hit. But now today it's been revealed that Albanesi
Speaker 3: himself attended a fundraiser on exactly the same day. Now
Speaker 3: Basil Murray Watt came out, he said that Dutton was
Speaker 3: filling money bags instead of sound bags.
Speaker 2: I mean, did they think no one would.
Speaker 3: Find out about Labour's fundraiser that the PM did the
Speaker 3: same thing?
Speaker 5: To understand how this can happen assuming that people within
Speaker 5: the government team knew where Anthony Albanzi was. Obviously they
Speaker 5: did know, but either that was not communicated or such
Speaker 5: was the hubris of the government that they decided to
Speaker 5: take that non anyway, which you just couldn't imagine they
Speaker 5: would do that. I mean, it's unforgivable and an unforgivable
Speaker 5: own goal if that is the case. But clearly, if
Speaker 5: you're throwing stones, you've got to make sure that you're
Speaker 5: not living in a glasshouse of your own and that
Speaker 5: seems to be what's happened here. It's a very very
Speaker 5: poor tactical error.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think about this, Matt, Do
Speaker 3: they just think the media is so on elbow side
Speaker 3: that no one would care.
Speaker 6: I think it's probably lack of communication. The left hand
Speaker 6: didn't know what the right hand was doing. But bad luck,
Speaker 6: it's blown up in Labour's face. And maybe they should
Speaker 6: drop all this hydrogen stuff and instead focus on producing
Speaker 6: electricity from hypocrisy. They have a complete, unlimited supply of
Speaker 6: that in the Labor Party at the moment, and maybe
Speaker 6: they would be the solution for us.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 6: I mean, I Peter did nothing wrong, and look, I'm
Speaker 6: not going to Anthony did nothing wrong. You've got to
Speaker 6: go to fundraisers in this job. It's part of running
Speaker 6: a campaign. And this was four days before the cyclone hit.
Speaker 6: And I think now that we've had a few weeks
Speaker 6: in hindsight of it all here and I sitting here
Speaker 6: in Brisbane been up into them. But today, you know,
Speaker 6: there was a bit of an overreaction. People started going
Speaker 6: off work four days before a storm hit, and you know,
Speaker 6: we maybe just a little bit into that COVID malaise
Speaker 6: where we think we've got a lockdown for some reason.
Speaker 6: A few of us up in North Queen's and were
Speaker 6: scratching our heads. I had a Category five cyclone go
Speaker 6: over our house a decade ago before COVID and I
Speaker 6: can't remember anyone taking time off work. But you just
Speaker 6: got on with lifepously. If you had damage, you dealt
Speaker 6: with it. But yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, remember you were on the show, because you're on
Speaker 3: every Thursday, Matt, and you said that that the lockdowns
Speaker 3: were a bit of an overreaction. At that point, we
Speaker 3: still thought the cyclone was going to hit imminently and
Speaker 3: your comment seemed so shocking. But then by the time
Speaker 3: the cyclone hit and it wasn't even a cyclone, it
Speaker 3: was an X cyclone, And of course there was damage,
Speaker 3: but you know, nothing like the severity that the incorrect
Speaker 3: weather forecasters were wandering about.
Speaker 2: Well you seemed spot on, So there you go.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Macquarie University, we've been talking about it this week for
Speaker 3: the revelations that some law students were being marked on
Speaker 3: how well they delivered an acknowledgment of country. Well, today
Speaker 3: another article in The Australian revealed that they've been made
Speaker 3: to do a privilege walk and they're also being taught
Speaker 3: that children are not many humans with many human rights,
Speaker 3: but equal to adults.
Speaker 2: I mean, Basil.
Speaker 3: We've seen leading barristers come out and slam this because
Speaker 3: they're saying it should not be a requirement for a
Speaker 3: law exam.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just seems bizarre, doesn't it, that it is.
Speaker 5: The world is craving and I think many, many Australians
Speaker 5: are craving for a return of common sense and of
Speaker 5: course the welcome to country at the appropriate time, in
Speaker 5: the right forum and with the right number of times.
Speaker 5: So that doesn't mean every time we have a public gathering,
Speaker 5: but at the right times it is respectful and appropriate,
Speaker 5: but not every time we do something, not every day,
Speaker 5: not for every exam, not for every student. And this
Speaker 5: idea that kids and adults should be treated as exactly
Speaker 5: the same, They're not exactly the same. Some can't make
Speaker 5: decisions for themselves, and some are eighteen. They've got a passport,
Speaker 5: they've got a driver's license, they can go to the pub,
Speaker 5: they can vote.
Speaker 1: They are different.
Speaker 5: We don't have to put everything into one basket, and
Speaker 5: we've lost our way if this is the way we're going.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I mean, Matt, this idea that children are equal
Speaker 3: to adults. When you know young children in particular, they
Speaker 3: can't make sensible decisions. Their brains aren't developed, they don't
Speaker 3: have the knowledge.
Speaker 2: This is absurd.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it reminds me of that great quote.
Speaker 6: I think it was George or Well, although either George
Speaker 6: All or Wiston Churchill said everything I think, but Door said,
Speaker 6: you know, this is an idea that Arnie, an intellectual,
Speaker 6: could believe in. It's so stupid, so silly. You do
Speaker 6: call it a question how much money sometimes these institutions
Speaker 6: are getting. I heard this week too that another university
Speaker 6: is getting a million dollars to start to decolonize breastfeeding
Speaker 6: or something like that.
Speaker 8: From the government.
Speaker 6: Why we find the exactly well you did too. It's
Speaker 6: just outrageous and it's got to be rained in completely
Speaker 6: the basil. We need a restoration of common sense. We
Speaker 6: need and I really worry about the way Welcome to
Speaker 6: countries being abused. It's causing a backlash that's dividing Australians.
Speaker 6: There's an increase now in adversity among Australian groups because
Speaker 6: people are just sick and tired of it. And anybody
Speaker 6: can see that. Stop it on planes, stop it at airport,
Speaker 6: stop it at every meeting we have. They're doing damage
Speaker 6: to race relations in Australia by pushing this down people's.
Speaker 5: Throats, sharing my view on the welcome to country, and
Speaker 5: it is enormously respectful and the right times, it's absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful tribute to our first Australians.
Speaker 5: By view is, if we're at an event where the
Speaker 5: national anthem plays, then by all means have a welcome
Speaker 5: to country. But we don't play the Australian national anthem
Speaker 5: every time we gather or every time we have an event,
Speaker 5: And it would appear as though at almost every year
Speaker 5: we've pushed towards doing a welcome to country. I reckon,
Speaker 5: if it's national anthem worthy, then it's also welcome to
Speaker 5: country worthy and put the two together on the same level.
Speaker 9: That feels about right.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just universities.
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about law degrees here, but there
Speaker 3: are preschools where three year olds literally do the Welcome
Speaker 3: to Country every single day. They don't even know what
Speaker 3: they're saying, what they're talking about, but there you go.
Speaker 2: I just want to.
Speaker 5: Add, and again, they don't sing the national anthem every day.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ask the.
Speaker 9: Majority of Australia, no disrespect for the welcome or for
Speaker 9: our first Australians. But the national anthem is the national anthem.
Speaker 9: You know, there's an obvious peaking order. I would have thought,
Speaker 9: or at least side by side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's no question that school children are
Speaker 3: doing the welcome to country more than they are the
Speaker 3: national anthem, if they even know the national anthem.
Speaker 2: Look, just very quickly, I want to end on.
Speaker 3: These revelations that Elon Musk's Tesla company is facing attacks.
Speaker 3: This is ever since Musk took over the new Doge roll,
Speaker 3: we've seen multiple Tesla vehicles set on fire, and the
Speaker 3: FBI have said that this has some of the hallmarks
Speaker 3: of terrorism. Here's Elon Musk speaking about it.
Speaker 10: It's really come as quite a shock to me that
Speaker 10: there's this level of really hatred and violence from the left.
Speaker 10: I thought the left of the Democrats were supposed to
Speaker 10: be the party of empathy, the party of caring, and
Speaker 10: yet they're burning down cars, they're fire bombing dealerships.
Speaker 3: I meant very quickly here, run out of time. But
Speaker 3: you know, Musk says he's shocked, but he shouldn't be
Speaker 3: really given he knows he's one of the top targets
Speaker 3: probably after Trump for assassins in the US.
Speaker 6: Well, I think there's this component of the left that's
Speaker 6: been there for a long time that are just out
Speaker 6: and out thugs. These are revolutionaries, radicals, activists, not all
Speaker 6: of them, it's not all my political opponents, but there's
Speaker 6: this component of it that has engaged in violence for
Speaker 6: a long time now, and it look. The good news
Speaker 6: about this, I think is common sense.
Speaker 1: People will object to it.
Speaker 6: What we do need is all politicians, including those on
Speaker 6: the left, the sensiblens, are left to condemn this type
Speaker 6: of activity. Hope it never comes to our shores.
Speaker 3: No, indeed, all right, Matt Canavan, Basil zemplars, we're out
Speaker 3: of time, and Bazil when you join us this time
Speaker 3: next Thursday, because you can't quit this panel just because
Speaker 3: you become the liberal leader. But see how the vote,
Speaker 3: how the vote goes down.
Speaker 6: All right, you might get his own panel. Take me out.
Speaker 5: It's a Thursday night set and forget. I'll see you
Speaker 5: next week sharing see see then.
Speaker 2: Thanks all right.
Speaker 3: Well, experts have been pouring over that eighty thousand pages
Speaker 3: of documents on the JFK assassination, which have now been declassified.
Speaker 3: One file details how a US intelligence officer named Gary
Speaker 3: Underhill traveled from Washington to New Jersey the day after
Speaker 3: the assassination, and he told friends that a small clique
Speaker 3: within the CIA was responsible to discuss Let's bring in
Speaker 3: our senior fellow and chief economist at the Institute of Public.
Speaker 2: Affairs, Adam Crichton.
Speaker 3: Adam, look, the theory that the CIA was involved, it's
Speaker 3: always been conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: It's one that RFK was pushing heavily. But so far
Speaker 2: there doesn't.
Speaker 3: Seem to be any proof of this, at least in
Speaker 3: the troph of documents that experts have been through to
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Show Well.
Speaker 7: Firstly, hats off to President Trump for releasing all these documents.
Speaker 7: They were meant to be released in twenty seventeen and
Speaker 7: he in his first term, and President Biden also resisted.
Speaker 7: They're finally out there. The case of the CIA officer
Speaker 7: that you just mentioned, there are actually scores of people
Speaker 7: who were mysteriously suicided or so forth in the wake
Speaker 7: of the assassination attempt. We've known about this for a
Speaker 7: long time. There's certainly no smoking gun, it seems in
Speaker 7: these documents. So far, there's no evidence obviously that the
Speaker 7: CIA did it, but of course you wouldn't expect the
Speaker 7: CIA to write down such a conspiracy in the first place.
Speaker 7: But if anything, I would say, from what we've seen
Speaker 7: so far, from all these documents, and as you say,
Speaker 7: there's eighty thousand of them, these will only encourage I
Speaker 7: would say, further conspiracies. I mean, for instance, we finally
Speaker 7: saw the full fifteen page memo from Arthur Schlesingerer, who
Speaker 7: was one of JFK's top advisors, and he told the
Speaker 7: president in nineteen sixty one, just in the wake of
Speaker 7: the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion, that the CIA was
Speaker 7: a world unto itself, that it was out of control,
Speaker 7: that it had gone rogue, And of course it was
Speaker 7: JFK's intention to shut down the COO. There was a
Speaker 7: famous quote where he was going to shatter it to
Speaker 7: a thousand pieces, quote unquote. So documents like that will
Speaker 7: only will only further encourage all of the conspiracies that
Speaker 7: we've had for so long. And this really is an industry.
Speaker 7: The JFK assassination has really prompted and triggered a whole
Speaker 7: industry of suspicion.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the budget on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Now this year alone, this is extraordinary this year alone.
Speaker 3: So since January, the Albanezi government has announced forty nine
Speaker 3: billion dollars of election promises and spending this year alone. Adam,
Speaker 3: it hasn't even been three months yet, extraordinary forty nine
Speaker 3: billion dollars. How worry look at that in terms of,
Speaker 3: you know, putting pressure on inflation.
Speaker 7: Well, very worrying, I mean extremely worrying. I mean, in
Speaker 7: the last three years, according to the figures of Chris Richardson,
Speaker 7: we've had the biggest growth in government spending as a
Speaker 7: share of the economy from twenty four percent to twenty
Speaker 7: seven percent next year since the Whitlam years. I mean
Speaker 7: that was fifty years ago. So this is just extraordinary.
Speaker 7: And you know, we're still paying for all of this
Speaker 7: spending with the proceeds of the mining boom. But the
Speaker 7: mining boom is slowly petering out and it is going
Speaker 7: to peter out, and yet we're going to have all
Speaker 7: of these permanent spending schemes still in place and we're
Speaker 7: going to have much larger deficits. So I think next
Speaker 7: Tuesday night is going to be very depressing. I would
Speaker 7: say for anyone who's looking forward to any sort of
Speaker 7: fiscal rectitude. You know, we've already had the Medicare splurge.
Speaker 7: You know, there's eight and a half billion, there's another
Speaker 7: nine billion. It's only going to get worse over the
Speaker 7: next few days. There doesn't seem to be any interest
Speaker 7: on either side of politics, very sadly to rain in spending.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I was speaking about this last
Speaker 3: night with Warren Hogan. I mean, fiscal conservatives conservativism seems
Speaker 3: to be a thing of the past. We already know
Speaker 3: that the budget is going to be in deficit, and
Speaker 3: yet we just keep hearing it's almost day of by
Speaker 3: day more spending announced by the Prime minister. I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I mean you spoke there about you know,
Speaker 3: deficit and debt levels. But what about the impact of
Speaker 3: this on inflation because we've just had a cut from
Speaker 3: the IBA. If the election spending is so enormous, you know,
Speaker 3: what impact do you think that will have an inflation?
Speaker 3: And then could we be facing a rate hike down
Speaker 3: the track.
Speaker 7: Well, I think the conventional wisdom now is that rates
Speaker 7: are not going to be cut as fast as people
Speaker 7: would have hoped. I think we just saw the Federal
Speaker 7: Reserve just a day ago in the US basically increased
Speaker 7: its inflation forecasts. And of course interest rates in Australia
Speaker 7: broadly mirror what's happening in the US, and so if
Speaker 7: rates in the US are going to stay higher for longer,
Speaker 7: they're probably going to stay higher for longer here as well.
Speaker 7: And as you suggest, spending does lead to inflation, especially
Speaker 7: when it's financed by deficits. We've certainly seen that in
Speaker 7: the past three years. So it is very worrying. And
Speaker 7: also it's a political puzzle to me because haven't they
Speaker 7: learned from the past three years that inflation is so
Speaker 7: politically toxic. I mean, no one really cares about the
Speaker 7: unemployment rate. It's inflation. This inflation affects absolutely everyone, all
Speaker 7: the time, every day. So it's very, very toxic. And
Speaker 7: so it surprises me that both sides of politics are
Speaker 7: so keen to keep all the spending going.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I suppose they think that the inflation will be a
Speaker 3: flow on effect that we'd find out about later, and
Speaker 3: they're just worried about the short term.
Speaker 7: Problem for someone else, yeah, well, or.
Speaker 3: A problem for them, but they just want to win
Speaker 3: the election. It's that short term vision. Adam Crichton. Great
Speaker 3: to have you on the show as always, thanks for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 2: Now still to come.
Speaker 3: Which contentious billionaire has snuck into the Rich List this year? Well,
Speaker 3: the author of the Rich List will be on the
Speaker 3: show a bit later. Plus why Russia is still using
Speaker 3: honey traps to ensnare Western diplomats.
Speaker 2: It's like something out of a Cold War movie.
Speaker 3: David Rowe will be on to explain who they are
Speaker 3: and what they do next.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and Voladimir Zelenski are on their way to
Speaker 3: mending their diplomatic relationship after the Ukrainian president agreed to
Speaker 3: a partial cease fire with Russia.
Speaker 2: During a lengthy phone call.
Speaker 3: Now, unusually, Trump floated the suggestion that perhaps the US
Speaker 3: could take over Ukraine's power plants. In a truth social post,
Speaker 3: Trump said the call was very good and he said
Speaker 3: negotiations were very much on track. And then Zelenski also
Speaker 3: posted that we believe that together with America, with President
Speaker 3: Trump and under American leadership, lasting.
Speaker 2: Peace can be achieved this year. Well to discuss, let's
Speaker 2: bring in now.
Speaker 3: Strategic communications director at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute David Rowe, David,
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us now. The phone call, of course
Speaker 3: does sound positive, But doesn't Trump really need to get
Speaker 3: Putin over the line to agree to a cease fire
Speaker 3: not Zelenski.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, We're in a bit of a depressing dynamic, Shari.
Speaker 11: Vladimir Putin is giving away nothing and showing no credible
Speaker 11: signs that he's interested in peace, which is not surprising
Speaker 11: because he's not. Donald Trump is cutting Putin far too
Speaker 11: much latitude and needs to put a lot more pressure
Speaker 11: on him. And meanwhile, Vladimir Zelenski is sort of caught
Speaker 11: in the middle whereby he needs to keep Trump happy,
Speaker 11: avoid offending him or upsetting him, and he is, you know,
Speaker 11: Donald Trump is quite easily offended and upset, and at
Speaker 11: the same time he needs to lead his country in
Speaker 11: fighting back Vladimir Putin's aggression. So Voladimir Zelenski is very
Speaker 11: much caught in the middle of this. He's clearly doing
Speaker 11: the best he can to agree to the proposals that
Speaker 11: have been put forward to him. But really what we
Speaker 11: need to see is a lot more pressure on the
Speaker 11: Kremlin and on Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 3: I thought it was really concerning last week when we
Speaker 3: saw that Trump temporarily cut off intelligence to Ukraine, and
Speaker 3: it seemed like Russia took advantage of that immediately and
Speaker 3: bombarded Ukraine in a way that it hadn't for some time.
Speaker 2: You know, what can you tell us about that?
Speaker 11: Yeah? Look, I think it was always likely that Putin
Speaker 11: would use that opportunity to try and to push as
Speaker 11: hard as he could on Ukraine to try and destroy
Speaker 11: its morale. Remember, Ukraine and morale has been very high
Speaker 11: and very sustained for three years now. They've taken enormous
Speaker 11: battering and they have dug as deep as any country
Speaker 11: could do in order to keep fighting. The blow that came,
Speaker 11: you know, the lot the morale blow that came with
Speaker 11: the discontinuation of US support temporary that it was must
Speaker 11: have been very very severe in Ukraine. I think Putin
Speaker 11: took advantage of that. So, look, I would go back
Speaker 11: to the fact that this is all about now who
Speaker 11: has the strongest position going into negotiation. What we really
Speaker 11: need is for Putin to be weakened going into negotiations
Speaker 11: and be forced to make compromises, And we need Zelenski
Speaker 11: and the Ukrainians their hand to be strengthened as much
Speaker 11: as possible. That includes on the battlefield, because whoever holds
Speaker 11: the battlefield advantage and the momentum is going to go
Speaker 11: into negotiations in a stronger position. That's really really important.
Speaker 11: And of course, due to their size and their depth,
Speaker 11: the Russians have had that long term attrition style advantage
Speaker 11: in the fight in the battlefield for the last year
Speaker 11: or so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we'll stick with that story as it develops.
Speaker 3: Of course, now I want to ask you about this
Speaker 3: fascinating piece round in the finn Review. But it was
Speaker 3: an international piece of journalism about Russia's continued use of
Speaker 3: honey traps to ensnare Western diplomats, and one diplomat in
Speaker 3: the article describes being surrounded by female Russian agents who
Speaker 3: were sent to entrap him. I mean, David, yes, it's
Speaker 3: very Cold War esque, but it's so surprising, or maybe
Speaker 3: it isn't that in the age of high tech that
Speaker 3: there aren't more modern techniques used to extract information or
Speaker 3: encourage cooperation, that these old methods are still being used.
Speaker 11: I mean, they say espionage is the second oldest profession
Speaker 11: in the world, so it makes sense I suppose to
Speaker 11: blend the oldest and the second oldest. I heard an
Speaker 11: intelligence chief once it told me that he described it
Speaker 11: as hacking humans. Look, cyber espionage is big business, no
Speaker 11: doubt about it. There are high tech ways of stealing secrets,
Speaker 11: but really the greatest frailty, the greatest vulnerability are still
Speaker 11: those human weaknesses, and the obvious points of vulnerability are
Speaker 11: things like lust and greed and fear. So it makes
Speaker 11: sense that offering government officials sexual opportunities, or offering them
Speaker 11: bribes in the form of money, or putting the fear
Speaker 11: of God into them by threatening them with one thing
Speaker 11: or another, some kind of coercion, threatening their families, things
Speaker 11: like this are the best way to flip them and
Speaker 11: get them to give away secrets, so it is extremely effective. Still,
Speaker 11: a vulnerable human is weaker than a well protected computer system. Unfortunately,
Speaker 11: if you want a quick anecdote, at the risk of
Speaker 11: churning your viewers stomachs, I did hear just recently about
Speaker 11: a Swedish foreign affairs a senior foreign affairs individual who
Speaker 11: was the intended victim of a honeytrap. The woman was
Speaker 11: so persistent that in the end he actually feigned diarrhea
Speaker 11: just to get away from her, because nothing else was working.
Speaker 11: So that gives you an idea about what people have
Speaker 11: to deal with or.
Speaker 3: They have to start training them at intelligence school to
Speaker 3: come up with good excuses for persistent Russia women in disguise.
Speaker 3: All right, David wrote, really appreciate your time, Thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 2: Still to come.
Speaker 3: Progressive media continue to peddle this narrative that Dutton has
Speaker 3: a so called women problem. But is it maybe that
Speaker 3: the left wing papers have a problem with Dutton instead.
Speaker 3: I'll talk about that with Gary Hargraves and David Gazard
Speaker 3: a bit later, but first, Australia's Richest two fifty. Usually
Speaker 3: we don't see much movement at the top. This shock
Speaker 3: entrance this year. Those details up next. The Australian newspaper
Speaker 3: tomorrow will release its list of Australia's richest two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty people. And while there are the usual suspects,
Speaker 3: there are some surprises as well. And for more I
Speaker 3: spoke with the Australian's Richest two fifty editor John Stenslt
Speaker 3: a little earlier. John, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 3: us and congratulations again on all your hard work. Look,
Speaker 3: Gina ryan Hart is number one on the list. Not
Speaker 3: surprising But who is the new controversial name that has
Speaker 3: now hit the top ten this year?
Speaker 8: Richard White from wise Tech Global Sharhi.
Speaker 12: He's had quite an amazing year in so many ways,
Speaker 12: sex scandals and corporate governments issues at wise Tech, which
Speaker 12: is the big software firm that he owns. People thought
Speaker 12: he would have had a huge issue that would have
Speaker 12: affected as well, right, But he's actually put on five
Speaker 12: billion dollars this.
Speaker 8: Year, would you believe?
Speaker 2: From Wow?
Speaker 12: A year ago that would have been eight billion, but
Speaker 12: the share price did go down a few weeks ago.
Speaker 12: Win four directors on his board Quid. But he's still
Speaker 12: up to about fourteen point eight billion dollars this year,
Speaker 12: So he vaults into our top ten after what has
Speaker 12: been a pretty controversial and I guess memorable year in
Speaker 12: a way too.
Speaker 3: Look, you've interviewed dozens of rich listers for the magazine tomorrow.
Speaker 3: What's the most interesting story that we should look out for?
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, we do have a lot of billionaires
Speaker 12: in there is you can imagine some amazing cover stories
Speaker 12: and all that sort of thing. But I love this
Speaker 12: story that I wrote about a company called Penride, which
Speaker 12: is an oil company. There's eight kids and a ninety
Speaker 12: three year old matriarch, Margaret Diamond. They call themselves the
Speaker 12: Rough Diamonds. There's just a bunch of pretty normal down
Speaker 12: to worth people from suburban Melbourne and they've built this
Speaker 12: amazing company over the years. They've almost owned it for
Speaker 12: forty six years, it is, they've owned it. The company's
Speaker 12: one hundred years old next year and they're still going strong.
Speaker 12: There's eight kids that have worked in the business at
Speaker 12: various stages and they were just brilliant. I got this
Speaker 12: amazing photo of all of them, the dogs, the mum's
Speaker 12: dogs in the picture. I think it's just a great
Speaker 12: buzzy success story. They've really gone up and down along
Speaker 12: the way roller coaster ride, you know, family tragedies and
Speaker 12: some one as well. Such an interesting story and I
Speaker 12: think it's quite inspirational for people out there too.
Speaker 3: M that does sound like something that's going to be
Speaker 3: great to read about. John, What about the trends? How
Speaker 3: does the ritual list differ this year from last? Because
Speaker 3: I remember we spoke last year and already there had
Speaker 3: been some movement. You know, perhaps the tech sector has
Speaker 3: been hit a bit this year. Crypto tell us.
Speaker 12: Well, the tech sector is still going really well. It's
Speaker 12: come off a little bit in the last couple of months,
Speaker 12: but if you go from a year ago.
Speaker 8: It's still well ahead of it.
Speaker 12: Look, yeah, I mean you've obviously got those names like
Speaker 12: Richard White and the Atlassian guys that are there too,
Speaker 12: Mike cannon Brooks and Scott far Quit. They've put on
Speaker 12: a lot of wealth because there are a Lasian shares
Speaker 12: are up, you know, brought some private jets too, right,
Speaker 12: So a lot going on there. I think there's also
Speaker 12: a story in the manufacturing comeback too right. People are
Speaker 12: still making things. You know, Anthony Pratt with his boxes,
Speaker 12: we all know about that. But the pen Right people
Speaker 12: that manufacture oil and suburban Melbourne are a great idea,
Speaker 12: a great story, and so there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 12: still really interesting stories like that around in old in
Speaker 12: old money, I guess, or old technologies. But you know,
Speaker 12: clearly software and all those things are huge these days too.
Speaker 3: We saw your interview with James Packer. He said, you know,
Speaker 3: he's had one of the best years in a long time.
Speaker 12: Yeah, as Look, I mean he's feeling really good about himself.
Speaker 12: He's got tech investments that have gone really well in
Speaker 12: the last year. He's got he's got back into the
Speaker 12: movie game pack his movie businesses back.
Speaker 8: He's also investing in.
Speaker 12: Property actually here in Australia through a couple of people
Speaker 12: that he worked with previously back in there's boutique apartment
Speaker 12: developments in Sydney and elsewhere. So look, he's at a
Speaker 12: pretty good stage of his life now, right, He's feeling
Speaker 12: pretty good. He gave us an interview and I think
Speaker 12: he's in a pretty good space because his investments are
Speaker 12: going well too.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I spoke to him about a month ago now ahead
Speaker 3: of our anti Semitism summit, and he did seem really
Speaker 3: well then as well. Look, John, I mean putting this together,
Speaker 3: you must spend so much time on super yachts and
Speaker 3: jets interviewing billionaires.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us some fun stories from behind the scenes.
Speaker 8: Look, yeah, I've sent a bit of that over my time, Sharia.
Speaker 8: You know, it's the glamorous lifestyle as I spent the
Speaker 8: time of my desk.
Speaker 12: Really yeah, I mean you know, we got our cover
Speaker 12: story Lawrence esca Lante.
Speaker 8: I went over to Perth and interviewed him there.
Speaker 12: That was amazing, and then we got him photographed in
Speaker 12: Sydney almost pretty much on the edge of a not
Speaker 12: a cliff, with the edge of a sort of house.
Speaker 12: It sort of overlooks South Couldji. It's an amazing photo
Speaker 12: that's on the front seat. You get to do things
Speaker 12: like that, so you know, you get to meet these
Speaker 12: fascinating people, hanging out with them for a while, get
Speaker 12: a little bit of a bit of an insight into
Speaker 12: their lifestyle.
Speaker 8: But then I have to go back to my desk
Speaker 8: and write it all up.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's the fun part.
Speaker 3: But the photograph, you know, you mentioned the photography and
Speaker 3: it is always so beautiful, really creative.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see the shots.
Speaker 3: John, appreciate your time and again congratulations, Thanks Sarry. And
Speaker 3: that of course is in the Australian newspaper tomorrow. Now,
Speaker 3: don't go anywhere yet. You know the left are getting desk.
Speaker 3: But when they start talking about Dutton's women problem. Plus,
Speaker 3: after nine months up in space, how did the astronauts
Speaker 3: resettle back on Earth. We'll talk about this with Gary
Speaker 3: Hargraves and David Gazard. Next, Welcome back and let's bring
Speaker 3: in tonight's political panel. Sky News contributer Garry Hargrave and
Speaker 3: DPG Advisory Solutions fromer Advisor to John Howard David Gazard,
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Look, we're starting to see the
Speaker 3: left wing media run this line that Dutton has a
Speaker 3: problem with the women voters. I mean it's the same
Speaker 3: old playbook, a repeat of Tony Abbott so called women problem.
Speaker 2: Then Scott Morrison's too. Gary.
Speaker 3: There was this shocking line in this article that women
Speaker 3: have some spidy sense and they can tell that Dutton's
Speaker 3: not really a great guy. I mean, what absolute nonsense
Speaker 3: that half the population have a spidy sense.
Speaker 13: Look, you're asking a mere Mile Sharry, and of course
Speaker 13: there is a strong intuition that runs through the female
Speaker 13: gender that no doubt in my mind. Look, all I
Speaker 13: know is that Peter Dutton can't have a problem with
Speaker 13: anybody that meets him. Everybody who meets him likes him.
Speaker 13: The guy is funny, he's down to earth, he's straightforward,
Speaker 13: is a straight shooter. So look, I think more people
Speaker 13: need to meet Peter Dutton, more people need to hear
Speaker 13: from him. But the thing that women do pick up
Speaker 13: on first and foremost is they want to know what
Speaker 13: the values are, where things are going, and all that
Speaker 13: sort of stuff. So I think Peter's just got to
Speaker 13: be very clear and articulate about the kind of government
Speaker 13: he would lead. The details will follow. People want to
Speaker 13: understand this common sense and practical, straightforward stuff. Women pick
Speaker 13: up on this a lot faster than Bloke, so I'll give.
Speaker 8: Them that much.
Speaker 13: That part I do do understand, but I think women
Speaker 13: will back him in once they get to know him.
Speaker 3: David, I just think this gender narrative is nonsense because
Speaker 3: it always seems that Labor tries to whip up the
Speaker 3: claim that the coal issue has a women problem.
Speaker 14: And certain newspapers. I mean, Gary, I'm a humble white male,
Speaker 14: so what would I know, right?
Speaker 1: But here's the point.
Speaker 14: Ada Dublin has been in the Parliament in a marginal
Speaker 14: seat for the twenty years, so there's a heck of
Speaker 14: a lot of women who voted for him consistently over
Speaker 14: that time in a difficult seat. He either has all
Speaker 14: of the men and none of the women in Dixon,
Speaker 14: or maybe the women quite like him in Dixon as well.
Speaker 14: Now he's got female staff exactly very loyal to him,
Speaker 14: he's got female colleagues who like him. He's ahead in
Speaker 14: most opinion polls now, so there are a lot of
Speaker 14: women across Australia that seem to like Peter Dutton and
Speaker 14: they like where he's going on a whole bunch of
Speaker 14: values based equations that maybe Jenner Price in the City
Speaker 14: Morning Herald doesn't quite agree with, but that's her opinion
Speaker 14: and will leave it to the women in Dixon and
Speaker 14: elsewhere to vote when the time comes.
Speaker 3: And ultimately, the issues that are defining this election are
Speaker 3: cost of living, national security, crime in Victoria exact, and
Speaker 3: those are not specific to any particular gender. But I
Speaker 3: want to talk about these extraordinary astronauts who finally returned
Speaker 3: to Earth yesterday after nine months stuck in space. They're
Speaker 3: only meant to be there for eight days. Now we're
Speaker 3: learning that gravity does have a serious impact in the
Speaker 3: human body. The pair will likely need to spend weeks
Speaker 3: in physical therapy to recover their strength. I mean, this
Speaker 3: has been quite an extraordinary saga for the astronauts. They
Speaker 3: would have been desperate to see their families, but Gary,
Speaker 3: it seems like it's quite a journey still ahead for
Speaker 3: them physically.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, And this whole space travel thing is still been
Speaker 13: learned real time on real people.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're all sort.
Speaker 13: Of comfortable and thinking, oh, well, you know, a man
Speaker 13: walked on the Moon back nineteen sixty nine, so this
Speaker 13: is all every day.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's all extraordinary. Every mission is tainted
Speaker 1: with risk.
Speaker 13: And I saw Elin Mask outlining exactly what the kind
Speaker 13: of risk could be with any of these things. And
Speaker 13: so here you've got these terrific Americans who are just
Speaker 13: now going to have to relearn how to walk. They're
Speaker 13: going to be slightly longer, apparently, the body grows in length,
Speaker 13: the hearts compressors, they're going to have osteoporosis issues, all
Speaker 13: these things ahead of them. So thank Heaven's Elon Musk
Speaker 13: had his act together as a private citizen and actually
Speaker 13: made this rescue possible.
Speaker 1: My thoughts are with them and their family.
Speaker 13: A bit of a road ahead, but we are learning,
Speaker 13: real time, on real people, all aspects of space travel.
Speaker 13: And Mask wants to take us to Mars twenty thirty
Speaker 13: years from now.
Speaker 1: I want to live long enough to see it happen. Shari.
Speaker 3: I have no interest in you know, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: to me whether we go to Mars or not. But
Speaker 3: I do think it was utterly extraordinary to watch Elon
Speaker 3: Musk safely bring these astronauts back down. I mean something
Speaker 3: that now on their own, could it manage? David, what
Speaker 3: do you think about this.
Speaker 1: Props?
Speaker 14: By the way, and I hope your viewers got to
Speaker 14: see this, but for the bright spark that came with
Speaker 14: the alien masks, so when they opened the door, they
Speaker 14: thought they'd be doctor from the galaxy. But look, I
Speaker 14: would imagine putting it for the demon like us who
Speaker 14: might do a bit of weekend.
Speaker 1: Sport or whatever.
Speaker 14: It would be like waking up from a coma and
Speaker 14: them saying, you've got to run a marathon the next day.
Speaker 14: I mean, have not had a stress from gravity. As
Speaker 14: Gary says, their muscles have lengthened, they've become weaker because
Speaker 14: they've had no physical exercise to do. Their joints change,
Speaker 14: their bone structure changes. So I think it's going to
Speaker 14: be a long, hard road of just you know, getting
Speaker 14: back to the basics of physical exercise so they can
Speaker 14: resume normal lives on planet Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would just be so difficult, truly, just back
Speaker 3: to that thing about Mars by the way, you know,
Speaker 3: I think Elon Musk is truly one of the maybe
Speaker 3: the most the smartest man in the Earth, you know,
Speaker 3: the greatest genius on this earth.
Speaker 2: But why can't he be solving cancer?
Speaker 3: Why can't he put his utter intelligence to solving cancer,
Speaker 3: not going to Mars. Wouldn't that be a better ambition
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: Gary, Well, maybe you can do both. I don't know, Sharry.
Speaker 13: He's making the point that there's a lot of technical
Speaker 13: advances that come from the Space Race. A lot of
Speaker 13: the stuff we have today that every day has come
Speaker 13: from the Space Race. A lot of the stuff we've
Speaker 13: got in our cars. Our cars are technically computerized, far
Speaker 13: more complex than the lunar landing module in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: So I think that all of the things.
Speaker 13: You're talking about, the ambitions for here on Earth is reasonable,
Speaker 13: but there is need for some of the space race
Speaker 13: to drive that technology. I hope there is one day
Speaker 13: that kind of cure, not a Joe Biden cure, a real.
Speaker 2: One, no exactly.
Speaker 3: At twenty second, David Gazard, how do you think the
Speaker 3: election campaign's going right now?
Speaker 14: I think we're seeing a race of two Australias and
Speaker 14: the national polls are not really getting it right in
Speaker 14: the seats that really matter, which are the out of
Speaker 14: Metro seats, places where there's massive cost of living concerns,
Speaker 14: places where there's law and order concerns. Until you to
Speaker 14: get a decent poll on the marginal seats that matter,
Speaker 14: we're not going to know what this raises about because
Speaker 14: at the moment we're doing it naturally and that brings
Speaker 14: in labor and teal seats.
Speaker 3: All right, well, pick that conversation up next week. Thank
Speaker 3: you both so much for your time. It's all we
Speaker 3: have time tonight. I'll see you Monday at eight. And
Speaker 3: here's Paul