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Speaker 2: Today's text concludes here in Paris, and it has been

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Speaker 2: in twenty four hours, which we've spoken about for a

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Speaker 2: long long time, both inside and outside of sport. I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by two time Olympian and world champ James Maguson,

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Speaker 2: and we've brought in Peter Badell, News Corp journalist. We

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Speaker 2: usually talk swimming straight off the top, but Pete, you're

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Speaker 2: at the boxing a day which has rocked the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: Probably the biggest story of the Olympics. I think it

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Speaker 3: will be Maddie. It's been quite remarkable to see what's

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Speaker 3: occurred in the last twenty four to forty eight hours,

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Speaker 3: massive ructions and it was crystallized today with a mum, Khalife,

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Speaker 3: who had a forty six second win against an Italian girl,

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Speaker 3: Angela Caarini. And the debate is whether Khalif is a

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Speaker 3: genuine woman, whether she's biologically a woman, and testing show

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Speaker 3: she's got the X y CO homosome, which I believe,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion rules her out. She should not fight

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Speaker 3: against women. The IOC have deemed that she can fight

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Speaker 3: against women, and we saw a stark, brutal outcome today

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Speaker 3: where she beat her opponent forty six seconds and had

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Speaker 3: set the whole place in a pandemonium and triggered a

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Speaker 4: What would her test us her own levels be compared

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Speaker 4: to a normal female athlete.

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Speaker 3: Well, Maggiz, they don't give us the exact numbers, but

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Speaker 3: they're elevated readings and certainly greater than what the average

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Speaker 2: It was disturbing to watch. It wasn't just to give

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Speaker 3: Out through the head gear off as well, Maddie, and

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Speaker 3: in tears for eight minutes and said, I've never been

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Speaker 3: and that just triggered a lot of intense scrutiny about

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Speaker 3: the fight. Where the caliph should have been in the

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Speaker 3: because to me, they've got blood on their hands, because

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Speaker 3: there was blood coming from a nose and it was

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Speaker 3: a disgrace in my eyes. The IOC has to put

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Speaker 2: The Italian boxer, do you think there could be legal

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Speaker 3: I don't think legal issues, matey. Look to me the irony. Look,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't the biggest punch I've ever seen. I've seen

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Speaker 3: Tim zooland bigger punches. But the bottom line is we

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Speaker 3: need to just simplify this whole process and say, if

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Speaker 3: you have the Y chromosome, you are not a woman,

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Speaker 3: you are a man. It is as simple as that,

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Speaker 3: and the IOC have to look at it like that,

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Speaker 3: the biology shows that you have the Y chromosome, you

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Speaker 1: You do not fight against women.

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Speaker 2: Pete, you've rerather with are you commentator in pro boxing

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Speaker 2: is what's the rule there?

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Speaker 1: Where does it sit?

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Speaker 3: Well, Maddie, we haven't had that example because as a

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Speaker 3: To me, it shouldn't be gray though. Boys, if you

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Speaker 2: Pete, what happens next? I mean the Algerian has gone

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Speaker 1: Well? Interesting, Maddie.

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Speaker 3: That the Hungarian girl who beat the Australian today, Marissa

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Speaker 3: Williamson Pulman, who was due to fight Kalife. The Hungarian

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Speaker 2: to do an apology on wearing a clear white shirt

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Speaker 3: You always wanted to be in a wet T shirt competition.

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Speaker 2: I'll get to you in a minute.

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Speaker 1: There's Blake's on the bit.

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Speaker 2: He is frothing people. Avid Seriously, it has been an

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Speaker 3: Unless there is instant remedies moving forward to the next

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Speaker 3: head again and it needs to be simplified. It's not

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Speaker 3: that hard. Do not let X Y athletes fight x

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Speaker 4: You've been at the center of this story since the start,

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Speaker 4: and you're now leading the worldwide media on this story.

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Speaker 4: Tell us about your tweet you did today, So.

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Speaker 3: Miss Ali, I look, it was as simple as just

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Speaker 3: What she said was that I've never been hit so hard,

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Speaker 2: So it's yet forget Trump to get beyond.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: It's a tear. What's a massive issue. It's a big

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Maddi It's a good point you make

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Speaker 3: but she fought Khalife two months ago at the Einenhoven

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Speaker 2: Just quickly before we get on the swimming. Big day

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Speaker 2: tomorrow for the heavyweight Australian boss a Terma Wanter.

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Speaker 3: Junior Massive Maddie. This is a massive day for Australian

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Speaker 3: Super heavyweight one hundred and twenty keys. He fights the

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Speaker 3: defending gold medalist Bokadi Jololov. Jololov starts the favorite, but

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Speaker 2: He's tune in.

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Speaker 3: He'll be a superstar.

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Speaker 2: Good on your foot. And I've got to say, mate,

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Speaker 4: We broke the hudo for our man Brent Reid. He

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because we watch Rudy Resales never in doubt.

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Speaker 5: To say, Man, I think we're all stunned. Everybody watching

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Speaker 5: He's a former Olympic champion. He's finished first and second

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Speaker 1: Makes no sense, missal your opinion on that.

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Speaker 4: So basically this win last night, I understated it on

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Speaker 4: the show. That's the biggest gap in one hundred freestyle

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Speaker 1: Hella and how are you mate?

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Speaker 2: The Matilda's six months amazing six months from the highest

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Speaker 6: I mean they were the nation's darlings last time last

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Speaker 2: Tony good staff. He was sacked today. Happened pretty quick, Jess.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, it was a you know, it was in damage

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Speaker 6: What was the situation, Well, initially they vehemently denied the

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Speaker 2: Me and Missile, we miss Ale and I sorry. We

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, Maddie. No, And you know it's part of

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Speaker 1: Jess.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this, right, and people look at me

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Speaker 2: I love football. I love it. Two really good mates

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Speaker 6: Oh well, you would hope so. But there is a

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Speaker 3: Is a sport for all.

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Speaker 6: And you know, if you're reporting the truth in this

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Speaker 6: Slater often does and calls it out, you can't be

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Speaker 2: You're talking about Robbie Slater. Yeah, this is the bloke

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Speaker 2: Maradona went out to after the game and said, Colorado

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Speaker 2: as you're a champs. Good on you, mate, Hi five

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 2: You've that's right, We'll just keep moving. This is part

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Speaker 2: We're in the midst of a bit of a thunderstorm

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Speaker 2: We're back. Simone Boles, you watch your in action make today.

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Speaker 2: You saw Bradman score one hundred.

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Speaker 6: You know what I saw, you say, Bolt win one

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got friend soldiers in the background, more lightning,

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Speaker 1: Is here?

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Speaker 2: Are you looking?

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Speaker 3: Nerves?

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Speaker 2: What else? I feel sorry for athletes today, all the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, jermalm in one tagg. I mean she's been around

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Speaker 7: Jemima Comic Games gold medalist, one of bronze medal today

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Speaker 7: I think it's one of the stories of the Games

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Speaker 2: Unbelieving She's very lucky.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but it's one of the great stories

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Speaker 4: Mate, really, lady, we're breaking the whodo for you tonight

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow the athletics starts and you're going to be there

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Speaker 1: I'm punks. It's the high jump qualification to mind.

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Speaker 7: I think this is one of the events for Australia

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Speaker 7: Because've got Nikola Oloslaga's, You've got Ellena Patterson.

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Speaker 1: They're both medal chances. Who checked up.

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Speaker 7: The Ukrainians are genius right break the world record, only

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Speaker 1: She's gonna be really tough to beat. She's a great story.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna be really hard to beat.

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Speaker 7: But I think both the high jump girls they're huge

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Speaker 1: For us tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We might do that tomorrow. We'll lead out there.

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Speaker 7: Ready, should come out Maddie, Oh will, You'll love it

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Speaker 7: So I'm telling you, Matty, you've got to get out there.

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Speaker 1: Mate. I'll tell you you got to get quickly.

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Speaker 2: The golf.

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Speaker 7: I went to the golf. A lot of people bagged

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Speaker 1: There were twenty.

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Speaker 7: Thousand and thirty thousand people there of golf, the golf Nationale,

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Speaker 1: It was Look, I was a golf cynic, right, but

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Speaker 2: You were there ahead of the Aussies gap, I wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: What we're going to do to finish?

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Speaker 2: Everyone? Come in, Come on, everyone in, Come on, come on,

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Speaker 2: everyone in, Come on, stuep come on, Tap, come on, Luke, everyone, yes,

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Speaker 2: come on, Timmy, yes, everyone in. I'd be quite seriously

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Speaker 3: This is what we do.

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