WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 11 July 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.920 On the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Well, Hey, hey, hey, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.240 and happy Thursday, almost the end of another really big week. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.120 James Borrow here sitting in for Paul Murray here on 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.520 Paul Murray Live. Now, We've got another huge night of 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.000 news for you to get through, all killer, no filler, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.880 including a Caroline Marx exclusive. She's here with me right 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.240 now in the Maan Cave on a pro Palestinian activist 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.760 who has been referred to the AFP. She's going to 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.440 join me in a little bit with some exclusive details 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.280 about why and just what is going on with this 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:45.800 breaking story. But first, I've got a really special treat 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.319 for you. I haven't seen this anywhere before. It's a 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:55.120 sneak preview of a documentary called The Australian Sixty Years 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.400 of News, which is premiering this coming Monday right here 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.960 at EP, right here on this network. I've had a 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.119 bit of a look at the documentary and what I've 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:11.319 seen is absolutely fascinating because it includes, among other things, 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.880 exclusive interviews with Rupert Murdoch, now emeritus Chairman of News 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.520 Corps and Fox Corporation, in which he runs a ruler 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.040 over the Australian prime ministers he's known over the decades. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.959 Have a look at this because there might be a 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:28.640 surprise or two along the way here. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.199 He's witnessed Australian politics up close for more than seven decades. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:41.720 Which of our leaders has impressed you and why. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.280 You're going to get very high marked John Howard to 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.760 make the biggest noise and some change Golf Whitlam it 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.560 was a big turning point. I think you and Fraser 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:59.400 who beat him, who was on a good disappointment. I've 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.320 known him what he's lived. 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.280 So high marks John Howard knows prize there perhaps, But 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.280 an interesting point about Guff Whitler making a lot of 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.200 noise for change, as well as the comments about Malcolm 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.919 Fraser being a disappointment. But this bit about another Prime 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:23.200 minister also named Malcolm, Malcolm Turnbull, I think is particularly 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.840 interesting right now, especially given that Malcolm Turnbull is so 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.119 much in the news again with his comments about Opposition 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:35.760 leader Peter Dutton, calling him, among other things, a thug. Well, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.239 of course, this is not the first time Turnbull has 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.040 lashed out at people he believes has wronged him. Remember 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.040 this from Q and A a number of years back. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.440 The reality is News Corp and Murdoch have done enormous 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.839 damage to Western democracy. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.640 Well, I guess he would say that, I suppose. But 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.280 what does Rupert Murdoch have to say about that in respect? 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.480 Probably Malcolm's nuts. He's paranoid. He didn't like it, the 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.800 fact that we supported Tony Abbott versus him. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.680 That's all paranoid nuts. And you know that reminds me 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.960 of the old line about Akham's razor, which is that 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.480 the simplest and most likely explanation for something, as he 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.280 just stated there is probably the correct one and I 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.440 think that pretty much nails it. So tune in here 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.600 Monday night APM for a lot more of that interview 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.920 on The Australian sixty Years of News again here at 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.840 eight pm, because when it comes to lashing out at enemies, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.200 we all know that Malcolm Turnbull has four and we've 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.440 got to talk about Peter Dutton, who is only only 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.840 his latest target, though Dutton has been a little classier 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.080 than his ex boss. Here's what Dutton had to say 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.800 to tgb's Ray Hadley earlier this morning about those thug comments. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:05.280 Me to be the Home Affairs Minister. He is very 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.880 open in private with Mattias Corman and I and others 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.760 that we were central to the success of the government. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:17.560 He never had a terse word or a derogatory word 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.120 against me, So I just think people can see through it, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.320 and I wish him the best. I think it's sad, 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.359 and I think for a former leader of our party, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.160 I want to do nothing more than to hold them 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.359 up and praise them because they've led our party and 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:37.839 they deserve that respect. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.800 Yeah. Well, look, I think that Peter doesn't handle that 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.680 the right way, and I don't know that there's much 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.040 more to say on the matter of that, But there 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.000 are other things to deal with, including matters overseas, and 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.120 of course that means our old friend Swampy Joe. But 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.479 guess what, I'm not laughing about Swampy Joe anymore. Not 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.800 because I don't think it's not nice to laugh at 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.960 a guy who probably has Parkinson's, which circumstantial evidence is 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.960 pointing to being exactly the condition Joe Biden has, but 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:15.600 rather because I'm annoying. I'm upset because the whole mystery 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.279 of Joe Biden's condition is now wrapped up in a 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:25.480 giant conspiracy that has seen the media and the White 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.600 House and big money Democrats and Hollywood celebrities all get 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:35.760 together and say with their collective hive mind, Hey, we 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:41.640 know this guy Joe Biden is disabled. We know he's 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.240 not up to the job. That he is in and 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.560 out when he's in a meeting, that he has to 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.520 go to bed at eight pm, that he is led 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.840 around by his wife, doctor Jill Biden, that he has 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.400 to be given flashcards to walk into a room, and 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.560 that he is basically, as I have said before, dribbling 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.360 into his corn flakes. But they said, oh, no, no, no, no, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.520 we can't tell anybody, No, not even the press. We 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.440 can't tell anybody was you know, we can't tell the voters. Gosh, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.320 they might get the wrong idea vote for Donald Trump. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:17.560 We can't have that. So, while I think that as 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:22.320 a matter of national security, Joe Biden should exit stage 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:28.279 left immediately. And yes, even if that means Kamala Harris 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.080 of you think you just fell out of a coconut tree, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:36.719 fame becomes president. I am absolutely horrified that the same 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:41.080 people who told us everything was fine are now saying 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:48.680 everything is not fine simply because they got found out. Look, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.520 do you think George Clody would have written an op 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.160 ed in The New York Times today saying, I love 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.760 Joe Biden, but I think it's time for him to go. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.360 Would you have written that if Joe Biden hadn't completely 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:09.360 fallen apart at that debate back in June. No, here's 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:15.640 a reminder. George Clooney knew he held this fundraiser three 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.080 weeks before that where Biden completely zoned out on stage 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.000 and had to be led off the stage by the 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:28.160 arm by Barack Obama. And the same thing goes for 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.760 so many other people who have come forward in the 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.560 past couple of weeks saying, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.040 Joe Biden, he's really bad. I've been seeing it for ages. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:44.760 He needs to drop out. Well, I'm sorry everybody's saying 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:50.480 that now. What a bunch of absolute cowards. Why didn't 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:55.520 you say something before? Remember when we talked about that 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.640 clip of Joe Biden being led off by Obama? We 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.560 were told by the White House somebody else's miss leading, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.880 it's fake news. It was disinformation, and the New York 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:09.320 Times and everybody else said, gotting to see here. I mean, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.120 it's all the sort of thing that makes you wonder 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.880 what else do they have that they've lied to us about? 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.840 What else are they lying to us about? 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:17.000 Now? 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:22.160 But it's not just George Clooney, other celebrities too. Here's 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.200 Michael Douglas in April and then just this week. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.640 And the people that I've talked to and everybody that 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.320 I have say he's as sharp as attack. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.000 George Clooney just came out with an op ed calling 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.000 for Biden to step beside, saying the stakes are too 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:39.839 high for future generations. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.520 What do you reject to respond to that? 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.360 Well, I think it's a valid point. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.840 I mean, I'm deeply, deeply concerned. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.920 Well there you go. Nice for me to tell us 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.000 now and check this out. The White House is now 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.319 saying that Joe Biden had more stamina than George Clutey. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.679 I love this one. Here's why, because of apparently George 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.280 Cloudy left that fundraiser before the president did. Watch this 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.400 little clip of CNN's Jake Tapper hearing this line, and 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.840 remember Tapper used to be one of Biden's staunchest defenders 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.320 on hearing this news, But. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.920 What does that mean that George Clooney left for what's 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:18.560 the point. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.520 The point of that is to suggest that Biden's stamina 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.480 is better than Clooney's, and Clooney didn't have eyes on 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:25.640 the entire event. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.120 That's the response to the Clooney out ed. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:35.520 Okay, okay, I mean yeah, great, love that, but sorry, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.360 all these people are hypocrites. They don't care about Joe Biden, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.400 they don't care about America. All they care about is 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.439 power and their proximity to it, and the fact that 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.080 in the service of power they were duped into going 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:55.080 along with again a vast conspiracy of silence, which, now 0:09:55.200 --> 0:10:00.679 that the cover has been blown, makes them look like fools. Now, 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.240 in a few hours time, Joe Biden is going to 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.160 give what the White House is describing as a big 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.920 boy press conference. Can you believe that a big boy 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.280 press conference? And I mean this is literally what they 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.400 are calling it. They have set the bar so low 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:23.679 for Joe Biden that taking some unscripted or allegedly unscripted 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.839 because we know what happens questions from reporters is now 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.880 going to make or break his presidency. Have a look 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:36.520 at Deputy White House Press Secretary John Kirby absolutely oozing 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.319 with confidence about this event. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.960 It'll be more than four reporters for sure. But how 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.439 long it's going to take it's going to depend on 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.839 how many questions he gets asked, because as you know, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.360 every reporter likes to ask more than one question, and 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.199 of course how long he takes to answer them. So 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.719 I can't give you a time certain, but it'll be 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.439 a substantial press conference again with multiple reporters and him 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.600 by himself calling on them. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:06.800 Meanwhile, Biden campaign co chair Chris Coons is already managing 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:08.680 expectations downward. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.000 I don't think we should set the stakes too high. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.320 I think we should be looking at how he's doing 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.600 at the event today with the AFLCIO speaking to obviously 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.840 a supportive group. They endorsed him, but unscripted, no tele prompters. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.040 I hope he does well. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.280 I expect he'll do well in the press conference tomorrow. 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.520 Well maybe this is one of those sort of under 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.679 promise and over deliver sort of things, but you know, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.000 somehow I doubt it. Let's watch and see what happens. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.200 And a reminder, I'll be breaking this all down tomorrow night, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.000 Friday and at an eight pm here on Sky on 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.960 my own program, The US Report. Now let's get straight 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.400 into all the other news of today with an excellent 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.840 panel this Thursday evening joining me in the Sky studio 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.480 in the man Cave, Sky News senior reporter Carolyn Marcus 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:01.240 and former Victoria Liberal Party President Michael Kroger. Welcome to 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.960 you both. Now, let's keep talking about Malcolm Turnbull. Why not, right, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.599 because it's always fun to talk about terrible We know 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.560 that's what he loves us to be doing. Michael Kroger, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:19.160 how does the Liberal Party not simply take his membership 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.199 off him and rip it up? 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.880 So it's a very good question. And we wrestled with 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.200 this problem years ago when Malcolm Fraser was causing problems 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.880 and everyone remembers those and it was excited at the time. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.440 It would be more trouble than it's worth. It could 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.520 create more bad publicy for the party than it was 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.880 worth to have emotion, to have a meeting, to have 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.600 the publicity, to have the press, to have the courage, 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.559 the coverage, to have the aftermath. So it was just 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.199 decided let Malcolm blow off steam Fraser if he wants to, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.319 and let's just not worry about it. And I think 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.080 that's the attitude of the party to Malcolm Turnbull. He's 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:02.400 seen only rarely these days, is thing. He just repeats 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.679 the same lines over and over again. So I think 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.880 he's so irrelevant to the Liberal Party that people just 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.520 can't be bothered. And I think his credibility and attacking 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.040 people like Peter Dutton as zero. I mean, you know, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:14.959 I was listening to his comments and I'm thinking, I 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.160 think I've been in more than one hundred meetings I 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.480 think with Peter Dutton over the last hundred years, the 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.080 last twenty years. I don't think I've ever heard Peter 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.720 Dutton raise his voice. I was trying to think if 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.400 I ever heard Peter Dutton yell at anybody, threaten anybody, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.520 raise his voice. I don't think I ever have. I mean, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.240 you know, he's a very he is as he appears. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.800 He's a pretty placid, normal sort of person. And for 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.280 the use of the word thug, I mean, please, Malcolm, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:46.560 you're just discrediting yourself. You're damaging yourself. You're not damaging 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.199 Dutton at all, because people know Dutton. No, it's a 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.600 lot of nonsense, and it's just built on Malcolm's anger 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.600 at Peter for challenging him a few years back. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.719 Well, indeed, I mean Karen Peter Hurton was elevated in 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:02.600 cabinet by Malcolm turblemoted by Peter don't handle this right 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.160 away with the way that he was speaking about it 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.080 on two GB and elsewhere, I think he. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.160 Has handled it beautifully and he you know, he basically said, look, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:14.440 he thinks it's sad that he's diminishing himself, Malcolm Turnbull, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.280 that is by stooping to the low that he has 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.040 by going on a show like The Project. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:26.400 I mean, can you imagine the relevant It's very, very 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.760 clear that he suffers from that at mentally. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.440 So I do understand the argument that Michael's making in 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.960 terms of it's not worth the Liberal Party's time to 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.960 expel him, because in a way that's kind of what 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:38.440 he wants. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.000 He wants to be a martyr and say, look what 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:41.800 they've done for me. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.400 They don't really stand for a difference of opinion. They 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.440 can't handle the criticism. But I'm not on the other hand, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.760 and this is what I argued when I was hosting 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.760 the Kenny Report on Monday, I said, you have to 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.920 the standard you walk past is the standard you accept 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.880 if you're going to accept someone like this within your 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.320 own party. Sling being mud, not only calling Peter Dunnon 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.720 a thug, which was quite remarkable in itself, not that 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.440 it's the first time he said that, but basically saying 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.120 he cannot think of anyone less suitable to be prime minister, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:19.360 that he essentially invoked this idea of xenophobia of racism 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.000 by saying that all he does is throw mud at immigrants. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.080 If you have someone like that talk about the potential 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.160 future prime minister, what else are you willing to accept 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:30.760 in your party? 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.000 Well, yeah, no, Look I think that's right. Maybe there's 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.360 just a rule that needs to be implemented here. I know, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.000 what do you guys think, Maybe just no more liberal 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.880 leaders named Malcolm? What do you think? I don't know. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.880 Maybe this is just a problem here, but you know, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.480 it just seems to be a lot of coincidence with that. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.280 But anyway, look, I digress and I joke, So everybody 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.240 out there named Malcolm, please don't write in. I thought 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.720 it would be wonderful, wonderful potential prime ministers out there 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.760 in the future. But Carolyn, I want to stick with 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.240 you for a second here because you had a really 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.920 important exclusive story today. I'm so glad lad here here 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.960 on the program. Here to tell us about it yourself 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.520 and your own words, tell us about what's going on. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:05.200 Thanks James. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.160 Well, this is a really disturbing story actually. But this 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.880 pro Palestine activist in Melbourne, his name is Mohammed Sharab 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.640 and he is a leading activist that he's seen as 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.640 a figurehead of a lot of Muslim protests that happen 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.240 in Muslim in Melbourne. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:22.960 Every week. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.200 He is out. He's been out on the steps of Parliament. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.280 On July fourth, on Independence date in the US, he 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.000 was out the front of the US consulate and he 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.200 called for some really disturbing things. We've got a clip 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.960 of some exclusive footage we've obtained its Sky News here. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.080 It is believe in the armed resistance. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.600 I say, bring back the armed resistance. We've got to 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.080 start the armed resistance, and we're gonna go back and 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.280 celebrate the fair and dark colony, and so I lie, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.359 we will never lived their resistance. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.920 So essentially he's calling for armed resistance. Multiple times, he 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.400 calls for death to America, death to Israel and other 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.680 Western allies. He refers to Australia as a colony, talks 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:08.240 about the colony being brought down and refers to tunnels, 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.399 which we understand to most likely mean her Mars style 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.000 tunnels to be built here on Australian soil. This has 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.359 now been referred by the Victorian Opposition as a Liberal 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:25.040 party in Victoria, to the AFP and Victorian Police Commissioner 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.000 to investigate. I've put in inquiries with both of those. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.840 I simply got a response from the AFP today say 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.040 they're not going to comment. He is already on bail 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:40.560 James for an unrelated incident involving assault and kidnapping in 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.800 which he is alleged to have used a hammer to 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.160 attack a man. This is alongside another very well known 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.840 activist in Melbourne called Laura Alarm. They're both facing these 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.800 charges that next to you in court tomorrow. So while 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.240 he's on bail, he's out there calling for death to 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.720 America and it's allies and armed resistance and has. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.320 Just got it. That's a disturbing story. And you know, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.800 I think it's so fascinating too that you hear in 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.439 so many of these Gaza and Palestine protests that rhetoric 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.760 of the left and the anti colonial rhetoric, and it's 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.280 this great sort of fusion of the left and Islam, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.760 and we've seen this before in other places around the world. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.240 It doesn't end well. But let's move on here and 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.000 talk a bit about federal politics here. My paper of 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.520 the Daily Telegraph is reporting that senior Labor figures, some 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.320 of them aren't actually all that worried about this group 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.200 Muslim vote that's come up, and they don't necessarily see 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.200 themselves losing seats in Western Sydney there. I think this 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.520 is really interesting, Michael Kroger. I'm wondering what you think here. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.879 Should they be a bit more worried than they're letting on, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.520 given the way that the Labor Party has been pulled 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.080 apart by this issue, and given you know, so many 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.800 of their front benchers are sitting in seats in Western 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.320 Sydney Jason Clair Tony Burke. People like that. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.119 It depends on when the campaign is and it depends 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.520 on one other major thing. If the leaders of the 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:12.840 Muslim votes run a campaign based on Islamic Muslim victimhood, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.360 you are all victims. You're all oppressed, you're all downtrodden. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.840 Everyone else hates Muslims. You know you're being victimized. We're 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.119 a minority. We've got to stand up for ourselves. If 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.760 they whip up that fervor and convince Muslim Australians, the 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.399 majority of whom I'm sure I have no doubt, decent, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.840 peace loving people who've come to this country or born 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.600 in this country because they like Australian values. But if 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.320 they whip up this fear and victimhood campaign, then Labor 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.800 might be in trouble in a couple of seats. If, however, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.639 the more moderate Islamic leaders like Jamal Riefi and others 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.960 are able to suppress these extremists, then I think Labor 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.320 have got less to worry about. So I think at 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.760 this stage it defends very much what the campaign looks like. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.880 If it's about Palestinian victimhood and et cetera, et cetera, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.679 et cetera, then they'll do, you know, well, as they 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.159 did in Britain, and that was the basis of the 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.440 campaign in Britain by Jeremy Corbyn and the Islamic activists, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:11.480 that it's all about Muslim Palaestine victimhood. So I think 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.199 it's I think it's unknown at this stage. It depends 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.240 very much how the campaign runs, James, and how it unfolds. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.719 I don't think they even need to worry about how 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.760 the campaign runs. I mean, a Prime Minister, Anthony Aberanizi 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:26.119 has just announced that he's appointing an Islamophobia Special Envoy 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.040 to combat Islamophobia. So the Labor Party is doing it 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.000 and the government's doing it for themselves. They're creating this 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.159 idea that we have a problem with Islamophobia already in 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.320 this country. They fail to act on Fatima payment for 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.919 so long after she crossed the floor, she got special treatment. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:42.879 Let's not pretend because she was a. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:47.399 Young Muslim senator that they were concerned how it would 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:48.480 be viewed by the public. 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.359 So they're clearly worried about a Muslim vote. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.119 Well, they're clearly worried. But I mean, you know, I 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.960 don't think it's just about this particular issue, because I 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.080 think that when you start I love your thoughts of this, Caroline, 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.359 when you have a society that has so many different 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.639 groups in it, if you start down this road of 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.359 you know, identitarian political factions. You know, I was starting 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.200 to dialute the Fouler MP the other day and she 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.320 was saying that, you know, independent MPs need to represent 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.480 their local communities, not talk about an issue on the 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.960 other side of the world. But if we start identifying 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.680 ourselves politically by our race or our religion, this is 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:26.040 dangerous territory, isn't it. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.320 I absolutely agree, and I think the Prime Minister has 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.240 acknowledged that as well. And even Fatima Payment today herself 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.760 came out and said, I don't think there should be 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.920 a Muslim party, and that would be my advice because 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.240 we have to think more broadly of Australians and it's 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.080 when I'm not just a one issue politician, which I 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.760 actually respect coming from her. She she kind of gets it. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:48.280 She could have. 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.440 Look, maybe she'll change it by next week, who knows. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.080 But I do think there's a problem with that, and 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.680 there's especially a problem when a lot of it, a 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.960 lot of the ideology is problematic, and and I'm talking 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:04.119 about obviously the more extremeists, sure part of it. And 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.560 what we're seeing for the support in the Middle East 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.840 is sometimes crosses a line into support for terrorist organization 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.120 of course, So if that's the basis of a political party, 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.400 I think that's a real risk for Australian national security. 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:19.920 Absolutely it is, but I think it's also for national 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.240 cohesion as well. And you know, this idea of us 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.600 living together and getting along and all being Australians first 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.240 before being whatever it is identity that we brought over 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.680 with us. Speaking of coming from other places, let's go 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.359 over to America. I was talking before about George Clooney 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.359 being the latest high profile figure calling for Joe Biden 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.560 to step down with that our ed saying that it's 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.440 time for him to go, and that at the Joe 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.120 that he saw at the fundraiser was not the big 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.320 effing deal Biden of twenty ten. He wrote. Clute even 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.520 said he wasn't even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty. 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.880