Speaker 1: On the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Well, Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: and happy Thursday, almost the end of another really big week.
Speaker 1: James Borrow here sitting in for Paul Murray here on
Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live. Now, We've got another huge night of
Speaker 1: news for you to get through, all killer, no filler,
Speaker 1: including a Caroline Marx exclusive. She's here with me right
Speaker 1: now in the Maan Cave on a pro Palestinian activist
Speaker 1: who has been referred to the AFP. She's going to
Speaker 1: join me in a little bit with some exclusive details
Speaker 1: about why and just what is going on with this
Speaker 1: breaking story. But first, I've got a really special treat
Speaker 1: for you. I haven't seen this anywhere before. It's a
Speaker 1: sneak preview of a documentary called The Australian Sixty Years
Speaker 1: of News, which is premiering this coming Monday right here
Speaker 1: at EP, right here on this network. I've had a
Speaker 1: bit of a look at the documentary and what I've
Speaker 1: seen is absolutely fascinating because it includes, among other things,
Speaker 1: exclusive interviews with Rupert Murdoch, now emeritus Chairman of News
Speaker 1: Corps and Fox Corporation, in which he runs a ruler
Speaker 1: over the Australian prime ministers he's known over the decades.
Speaker 1: Have a look at this because there might be a
Speaker 1: surprise or two along the way here.
Speaker 2: He's witnessed Australian politics up close for more than seven decades.
Speaker 3: Which of our leaders has impressed you and why.
Speaker 4: You're going to get very high marked John Howard to
Speaker 4: make the biggest noise and some change Golf Whitlam it
Speaker 4: was a big turning point. I think you and Fraser
Speaker 4: who beat him, who was on a good disappointment. I've
Speaker 4: known him what he's lived.
Speaker 1: So high marks John Howard knows prize there perhaps, But
Speaker 1: an interesting point about Guff Whitler making a lot of
Speaker 1: noise for change, as well as the comments about Malcolm
Speaker 1: Fraser being a disappointment. But this bit about another Prime
Speaker 1: minister also named Malcolm, Malcolm Turnbull, I think is particularly
Speaker 1: interesting right now, especially given that Malcolm Turnbull is so
Speaker 1: much in the news again with his comments about Opposition
Speaker 1: leader Peter Dutton, calling him, among other things, a thug. Well,
Speaker 1: of course, this is not the first time Turnbull has
Speaker 1: lashed out at people he believes has wronged him. Remember
Speaker 1: this from Q and A a number of years back.
Speaker 3: The reality is News Corp and Murdoch have done enormous
Speaker 3: damage to Western democracy.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess he would say that, I suppose. But
Speaker 1: what does Rupert Murdoch have to say about that in respect?
Speaker 4: Probably Malcolm's nuts. He's paranoid. He didn't like it, the
Speaker 4: fact that we supported Tony Abbott versus him.
Speaker 1: That's all paranoid nuts. And you know that reminds me
Speaker 1: of the old line about Akham's razor, which is that
Speaker 1: the simplest and most likely explanation for something, as he
Speaker 1: just stated there is probably the correct one and I
Speaker 1: think that pretty much nails it. So tune in here
Speaker 1: Monday night APM for a lot more of that interview
Speaker 1: on The Australian sixty Years of News again here at
Speaker 1: eight pm, because when it comes to lashing out at enemies,
Speaker 1: we all know that Malcolm Turnbull has four and we've
Speaker 1: got to talk about Peter Dutton, who is only only
Speaker 1: his latest target, though Dutton has been a little classier
Speaker 1: than his ex boss. Here's what Dutton had to say
Speaker 1: to tgb's Ray Hadley earlier this morning about those thug comments.
Speaker 5: Me to be the Home Affairs Minister. He is very
Speaker 5: open in private with Mattias Corman and I and others
Speaker 5: that we were central to the success of the government.
Speaker 5: He never had a terse word or a derogatory word
Speaker 5: against me, So I just think people can see through it,
Speaker 5: and I wish him the best. I think it's sad,
Speaker 5: and I think for a former leader of our party,
Speaker 5: I want to do nothing more than to hold them
Speaker 5: up and praise them because they've led our party and
Speaker 5: they deserve that respect.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, look, I think that Peter doesn't handle that
Speaker 1: the right way, and I don't know that there's much
Speaker 1: more to say on the matter of that, But there
Speaker 1: are other things to deal with, including matters overseas, and
Speaker 1: of course that means our old friend Swampy Joe. But
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm not laughing about Swampy Joe anymore. Not
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's not nice to laugh at
Speaker 1: a guy who probably has Parkinson's, which circumstantial evidence is
Speaker 1: pointing to being exactly the condition Joe Biden has, but
Speaker 1: rather because I'm annoying. I'm upset because the whole mystery
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's condition is now wrapped up in a
Speaker 1: giant conspiracy that has seen the media and the White
Speaker 1: House and big money Democrats and Hollywood celebrities all get
Speaker 1: together and say with their collective hive mind, Hey, we
Speaker 1: know this guy Joe Biden is disabled. We know he's
Speaker 1: not up to the job. That he is in and
Speaker 1: out when he's in a meeting, that he has to
Speaker 1: go to bed at eight pm, that he is led
Speaker 1: around by his wife, doctor Jill Biden, that he has
Speaker 1: to be given flashcards to walk into a room, and
Speaker 1: that he is basically, as I have said before, dribbling
Speaker 1: into his corn flakes. But they said, oh, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we can't tell anybody, No, not even the press. We
Speaker 1: can't tell anybody was you know, we can't tell the voters. Gosh,
Speaker 1: they might get the wrong idea vote for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We can't have that. So, while I think that as
Speaker 1: a matter of national security, Joe Biden should exit stage
Speaker 1: left immediately. And yes, even if that means Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: of you think you just fell out of a coconut tree,
Speaker 1: fame becomes president. I am absolutely horrified that the same
Speaker 1: people who told us everything was fine are now saying
Speaker 1: everything is not fine simply because they got found out. Look,
Speaker 1: do you think George Clody would have written an op
Speaker 1: ed in The New York Times today saying, I love
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, but I think it's time for him to go.
Speaker 1: Would you have written that if Joe Biden hadn't completely
Speaker 1: fallen apart at that debate back in June. No, here's
Speaker 1: a reminder. George Clooney knew he held this fundraiser three
Speaker 1: weeks before that where Biden completely zoned out on stage
Speaker 1: and had to be led off the stage by the
Speaker 1: arm by Barack Obama. And the same thing goes for
Speaker 1: so many other people who have come forward in the
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks saying, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, he's really bad. I've been seeing it for ages.
Speaker 1: He needs to drop out. Well, I'm sorry everybody's saying
Speaker 1: that now. What a bunch of absolute cowards. Why didn't
Speaker 1: you say something before? Remember when we talked about that
Speaker 1: clip of Joe Biden being led off by Obama? We
Speaker 1: were told by the White House somebody else's miss leading,
Speaker 1: it's fake news. It was disinformation, and the New York
Speaker 1: Times and everybody else said, gotting to see here. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all the sort of thing that makes you wonder
Speaker 1: what else do they have that they've lied to us about?
Speaker 1: What else are they lying to us about?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: But it's not just George Clooney, other celebrities too. Here's
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas in April and then just this week.
Speaker 3: And the people that I've talked to and everybody that
Speaker 3: I have say he's as sharp as attack.
Speaker 6: George Clooney just came out with an op ed calling
Speaker 6: for Biden to step beside, saying the stakes are too
Speaker 6: high for future generations.
Speaker 3: What do you reject to respond to that?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a valid point.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm deeply, deeply concerned.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. Nice for me to tell us
Speaker 1: now and check this out. The White House is now
Speaker 1: saying that Joe Biden had more stamina than George Clutey.
Speaker 1: I love this one. Here's why, because of apparently George
Speaker 1: Cloudy left that fundraiser before the president did. Watch this
Speaker 1: little clip of CNN's Jake Tapper hearing this line, and
Speaker 1: remember Tapper used to be one of Biden's staunchest defenders
Speaker 1: on hearing this news, But.
Speaker 3: What does that mean that George Clooney left for what's
Speaker 3: the point.
Speaker 8: The point of that is to suggest that Biden's stamina
Speaker 8: is better than Clooney's, and Clooney didn't have eyes on
Speaker 8: the entire event.
Speaker 9: That's the response to the Clooney out ed.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I mean yeah, great, love that, but sorry,
Speaker 1: all these people are hypocrites. They don't care about Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: they don't care about America. All they care about is
Speaker 1: power and their proximity to it, and the fact that
Speaker 1: in the service of power they were duped into going
Speaker 1: along with again a vast conspiracy of silence, which, now
Speaker 1: that the cover has been blown, makes them look like fools. Now,
Speaker 1: in a few hours time, Joe Biden is going to
Speaker 1: give what the White House is describing as a big
Speaker 1: boy press conference. Can you believe that a big boy
Speaker 1: press conference? And I mean this is literally what they
Speaker 1: are calling it. They have set the bar so low
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden that taking some unscripted or allegedly unscripted
Speaker 1: because we know what happens questions from reporters is now
Speaker 1: going to make or break his presidency. Have a look
Speaker 1: at Deputy White House Press Secretary John Kirby absolutely oozing
Speaker 1: with confidence about this event.
Speaker 8: It'll be more than four reporters for sure. But how
Speaker 8: long it's going to take it's going to depend on
Speaker 8: how many questions he gets asked, because as you know,
Speaker 8: every reporter likes to ask more than one question, and
Speaker 8: of course how long he takes to answer them. So
Speaker 8: I can't give you a time certain, but it'll be
Speaker 8: a substantial press conference again with multiple reporters and him
Speaker 8: by himself calling on them.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Biden campaign co chair Chris Coons is already managing
Speaker 1: expectations downward.
Speaker 10: I don't think we should set the stakes too high.
Speaker 10: I think we should be looking at how he's doing
Speaker 10: at the event today with the AFLCIO speaking to obviously
Speaker 10: a supportive group. They endorsed him, but unscripted, no tele prompters.
Speaker 1: I hope he does well.
Speaker 10: I expect he'll do well in the press conference tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Well maybe this is one of those sort of under
Speaker 1: promise and over deliver sort of things, but you know,
Speaker 1: somehow I doubt it. Let's watch and see what happens.
Speaker 1: And a reminder, I'll be breaking this all down tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: Friday and at an eight pm here on Sky on
Speaker 1: my own program, The US Report. Now let's get straight
Speaker 1: into all the other news of today with an excellent
Speaker 1: panel this Thursday evening joining me in the Sky studio
Speaker 1: in the man Cave, Sky News senior reporter Carolyn Marcus
Speaker 1: and former Victoria Liberal Party President Michael Kroger. Welcome to
Speaker 1: you both. Now, let's keep talking about Malcolm Turnbull. Why not, right,
Speaker 1: because it's always fun to talk about terrible We know
Speaker 1: that's what he loves us to be doing. Michael Kroger,
Speaker 1: how does the Liberal Party not simply take his membership
Speaker 1: off him and rip it up?
Speaker 3: So it's a very good question. And we wrestled with
Speaker 3: this problem years ago when Malcolm Fraser was causing problems
Speaker 3: and everyone remembers those and it was excited at the time.
Speaker 3: It would be more trouble than it's worth. It could
Speaker 3: create more bad publicy for the party than it was
Speaker 3: worth to have emotion, to have a meeting, to have
Speaker 3: the publicity, to have the press, to have the courage,
Speaker 3: the coverage, to have the aftermath. So it was just
Speaker 3: decided let Malcolm blow off steam Fraser if he wants to,
Speaker 3: and let's just not worry about it. And I think
Speaker 3: that's the attitude of the party to Malcolm Turnbull. He's
Speaker 3: seen only rarely these days, is thing. He just repeats
Speaker 3: the same lines over and over again. So I think
Speaker 3: he's so irrelevant to the Liberal Party that people just
Speaker 3: can't be bothered. And I think his credibility and attacking
Speaker 3: people like Peter Dutton as zero. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I was listening to his comments and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 3: think I've been in more than one hundred meetings I
Speaker 3: think with Peter Dutton over the last hundred years, the
Speaker 3: last twenty years. I don't think I've ever heard Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton raise his voice. I was trying to think if
Speaker 3: I ever heard Peter Dutton yell at anybody, threaten anybody,
Speaker 3: raise his voice. I don't think I ever have. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, he's a very he is as he appears.
Speaker 3: He's a pretty placid, normal sort of person. And for
Speaker 3: the use of the word thug, I mean, please, Malcolm,
Speaker 3: you're just discrediting yourself. You're damaging yourself. You're not damaging
Speaker 3: Dutton at all, because people know Dutton. No, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of nonsense, and it's just built on Malcolm's anger
Speaker 3: at Peter for challenging him a few years back.
Speaker 1: Well, indeed, I mean Karen Peter Hurton was elevated in
Speaker 1: cabinet by Malcolm turblemoted by Peter don't handle this right
Speaker 1: away with the way that he was speaking about it
Speaker 1: on two GB and elsewhere, I think he.
Speaker 11: Has handled it beautifully and he you know, he basically said, look,
Speaker 11: he thinks it's sad that he's diminishing himself, Malcolm Turnbull,
Speaker 11: that is by stooping to the low that he has
Speaker 11: by going on a show like The Project.
Speaker 9: I mean, can you imagine the relevant It's very, very
Speaker 9: clear that he suffers from that at mentally.
Speaker 11: So I do understand the argument that Michael's making in
Speaker 11: terms of it's not worth the Liberal Party's time to
Speaker 11: expel him, because in a way that's kind of what
Speaker 11: he wants.
Speaker 9: He wants to be a martyr and say, look what
Speaker 9: they've done for me.
Speaker 11: They don't really stand for a difference of opinion. They
Speaker 11: can't handle the criticism. But I'm not on the other hand,
Speaker 11: and this is what I argued when I was hosting
Speaker 11: the Kenny Report on Monday, I said, you have to
Speaker 11: the standard you walk past is the standard you accept
Speaker 11: if you're going to accept someone like this within your
Speaker 11: own party. Sling being mud, not only calling Peter Dunnon
Speaker 11: a thug, which was quite remarkable in itself, not that
Speaker 11: it's the first time he said that, but basically saying
Speaker 11: he cannot think of anyone less suitable to be prime minister,
Speaker 11: that he essentially invoked this idea of xenophobia of racism
Speaker 11: by saying that all he does is throw mud at immigrants.
Speaker 11: If you have someone like that talk about the potential
Speaker 11: future prime minister, what else are you willing to accept
Speaker 11: in your party?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, Look I think that's right. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: just a rule that needs to be implemented here. I know,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think, Maybe just no more liberal
Speaker 1: leaders named Malcolm? What do you think? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is just a problem here, but you know,
Speaker 1: it just seems to be a lot of coincidence with that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, look, I digress and I joke, So everybody
Speaker 1: out there named Malcolm, please don't write in. I thought
Speaker 1: it would be wonderful, wonderful potential prime ministers out there
Speaker 1: in the future. But Carolyn, I want to stick with
Speaker 1: you for a second here because you had a really
Speaker 1: important exclusive story today. I'm so glad lad here here
Speaker 1: on the program. Here to tell us about it yourself
Speaker 1: and your own words, tell us about what's going on.
Speaker 9: Thanks James.
Speaker 11: Well, this is a really disturbing story actually. But this
Speaker 11: pro Palestine activist in Melbourne, his name is Mohammed Sharab
Speaker 11: and he is a leading activist that he's seen as
Speaker 11: a figurehead of a lot of Muslim protests that happen
Speaker 11: in Muslim in Melbourne.
Speaker 9: Every week.
Speaker 11: He is out. He's been out on the steps of Parliament.
Speaker 11: On July fourth, on Independence date in the US, he
Speaker 11: was out the front of the US consulate and he
Speaker 11: called for some really disturbing things. We've got a clip
Speaker 11: of some exclusive footage we've obtained its Sky News here.
Speaker 1: It is believe in the armed resistance.
Speaker 6: I say, bring back the armed resistance. We've got to
Speaker 6: start the armed resistance, and we're gonna go back and
Speaker 6: celebrate the fair and dark colony, and so I lie,
Speaker 6: we will never lived their resistance.
Speaker 11: So essentially he's calling for armed resistance. Multiple times, he
Speaker 11: calls for death to America, death to Israel and other
Speaker 11: Western allies. He refers to Australia as a colony, talks
Speaker 11: about the colony being brought down and refers to tunnels,
Speaker 11: which we understand to most likely mean her Mars style
Speaker 11: tunnels to be built here on Australian soil. This has
Speaker 11: now been referred by the Victorian Opposition as a Liberal
Speaker 11: party in Victoria, to the AFP and Victorian Police Commissioner
Speaker 11: to investigate. I've put in inquiries with both of those.
Speaker 11: I simply got a response from the AFP today say
Speaker 11: they're not going to comment. He is already on bail
Speaker 11: James for an unrelated incident involving assault and kidnapping in
Speaker 11: which he is alleged to have used a hammer to
Speaker 11: attack a man. This is alongside another very well known
Speaker 11: activist in Melbourne called Laura Alarm. They're both facing these
Speaker 11: charges that next to you in court tomorrow. So while
Speaker 11: he's on bail, he's out there calling for death to
Speaker 11: America and it's allies and armed resistance and has.
Speaker 1: Just got it. That's a disturbing story. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's so fascinating too that you hear in
Speaker 1: so many of these Gaza and Palestine protests that rhetoric
Speaker 1: of the left and the anti colonial rhetoric, and it's
Speaker 1: this great sort of fusion of the left and Islam,
Speaker 1: and we've seen this before in other places around the world.
Speaker 1: It doesn't end well. But let's move on here and
Speaker 1: talk a bit about federal politics here. My paper of
Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph is reporting that senior Labor figures, some
Speaker 1: of them aren't actually all that worried about this group
Speaker 1: Muslim vote that's come up, and they don't necessarily see
Speaker 1: themselves losing seats in Western Sydney there. I think this
Speaker 1: is really interesting, Michael Kroger. I'm wondering what you think here.
Speaker 1: Should they be a bit more worried than they're letting on,
Speaker 1: given the way that the Labor Party has been pulled
Speaker 1: apart by this issue, and given you know, so many
Speaker 1: of their front benchers are sitting in seats in Western
Speaker 1: Sydney Jason Clair Tony Burke. People like that.
Speaker 3: It depends on when the campaign is and it depends
Speaker 3: on one other major thing. If the leaders of the
Speaker 3: Muslim votes run a campaign based on Islamic Muslim victimhood,
Speaker 3: you are all victims. You're all oppressed, you're all downtrodden.
Speaker 3: Everyone else hates Muslims. You know you're being victimized. We're
Speaker 3: a minority. We've got to stand up for ourselves. If
Speaker 3: they whip up that fervor and convince Muslim Australians, the
Speaker 3: majority of whom I'm sure I have no doubt, decent,
Speaker 3: peace loving people who've come to this country or born
Speaker 3: in this country because they like Australian values. But if
Speaker 3: they whip up this fear and victimhood campaign, then Labor
Speaker 3: might be in trouble in a couple of seats. If, however,
Speaker 3: the more moderate Islamic leaders like Jamal Riefi and others
Speaker 3: are able to suppress these extremists, then I think Labor
Speaker 3: have got less to worry about. So I think at
Speaker 3: this stage it defends very much what the campaign looks like.
Speaker 3: If it's about Palestinian victimhood and et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera, then they'll do, you know, well, as they
Speaker 3: did in Britain, and that was the basis of the
Speaker 3: campaign in Britain by Jeremy Corbyn and the Islamic activists,
Speaker 3: that it's all about Muslim Palaestine victimhood. So I think
Speaker 3: it's I think it's unknown at this stage. It depends
Speaker 3: very much how the campaign runs, James, and how it unfolds.
Speaker 11: I don't think they even need to worry about how
Speaker 11: the campaign runs. I mean, a Prime Minister, Anthony Aberanizi
Speaker 11: has just announced that he's appointing an Islamophobia Special Envoy
Speaker 11: to combat Islamophobia. So the Labor Party is doing it
Speaker 11: and the government's doing it for themselves. They're creating this
Speaker 11: idea that we have a problem with Islamophobia already in
Speaker 11: this country. They fail to act on Fatima payment for
Speaker 11: so long after she crossed the floor, she got special treatment.
Speaker 9: Let's not pretend because she was a.
Speaker 11: Young Muslim senator that they were concerned how it would
Speaker 11: be viewed by the public.
Speaker 9: So they're clearly worried about a Muslim vote.
Speaker 1: Well, they're clearly worried. But I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's just about this particular issue, because I
Speaker 1: think that when you start I love your thoughts of this, Caroline,
Speaker 1: when you have a society that has so many different
Speaker 1: groups in it, if you start down this road of
Speaker 1: you know, identitarian political factions. You know, I was starting
Speaker 1: to dialute the Fouler MP the other day and she
Speaker 1: was saying that, you know, independent MPs need to represent
Speaker 1: their local communities, not talk about an issue on the
Speaker 1: other side of the world. But if we start identifying
Speaker 1: ourselves politically by our race or our religion, this is
Speaker 1: dangerous territory, isn't it.
Speaker 11: I absolutely agree, and I think the Prime Minister has
Speaker 11: acknowledged that as well. And even Fatima Payment today herself
Speaker 11: came out and said, I don't think there should be
Speaker 11: a Muslim party, and that would be my advice because
Speaker 11: we have to think more broadly of Australians and it's
Speaker 11: when I'm not just a one issue politician, which I
Speaker 11: actually respect coming from her. She she kind of gets it.
Speaker 9: She could have.
Speaker 11: Look, maybe she'll change it by next week, who knows.
Speaker 11: But I do think there's a problem with that, and
Speaker 11: there's especially a problem when a lot of it, a
Speaker 11: lot of the ideology is problematic, and and I'm talking
Speaker 11: about obviously the more extremeists, sure part of it. And
Speaker 11: what we're seeing for the support in the Middle East
Speaker 11: is sometimes crosses a line into support for terrorist organization
Speaker 11: of course, So if that's the basis of a political party,
Speaker 11: I think that's a real risk for Australian national security.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is, but I think it's also for national
Speaker 1: cohesion as well. And you know, this idea of us
Speaker 1: living together and getting along and all being Australians first
Speaker 1: before being whatever it is identity that we brought over
Speaker 1: with us. Speaking of coming from other places, let's go
Speaker 1: over to America. I was talking before about George Clooney
Speaker 1: being the latest high profile figure calling for Joe Biden
Speaker 1: to step down with that our ed saying that it's
Speaker 1: time for him to go, and that at the Joe
Speaker 1: that he saw at the fundraiser was not the big
Speaker 1: effing deal Biden of twenty ten. He wrote. Clute even
Speaker 1: said he wasn't even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate. Well, Mansage,
Speaker 1: Pelosi has now also been on TV Today, and you
Speaker 1: tell me where she's followed to this debate.
Speaker 6: Does he have your support to be the head of
Speaker 6: the democraticket.
Speaker 7: As long as the president had the president, it's up
Speaker 7: to the President to sucide if he is going to run.
Speaker 7: We're all encouraging him to make that decision because time
Speaker 7: is running short.
Speaker 1: Caroline, She's saying that it's time for him to make
Speaker 1: a decision. That's we're getting into real sort of the
Speaker 1: coach has the full support of the board territory, aren't
Speaker 1: we absolutely.
Speaker 11: I mean, he said he's made a decision. They just
Speaker 11: wanted him to make a different decision. That's what's clear here.
Speaker 11: I mean, this is pretty bad, isn't it that when
Speaker 11: all the Hollywood elites that got behind him and posed
Speaker 11: for the selfies and took the Instagram posts and did
Speaker 11: fundraises to raise tens of millions of dollars, when they're
Speaker 11: turning on you, you know, it's got to be pretty bad.
Speaker 11: But as you pointed out in your editorial as well,
Speaker 11: George Clooney knew weeks ago when he held this fundraisers,
Speaker 11: and everyone else who.
Speaker 1: Was there the White House, everybody, the New York.
Speaker 11: Times and anyone blind Freddy knew for the past few years.
Speaker 11: We could all see him falling up the stairs and
Speaker 11: unable to form a coherent sentence. So the idea that
Speaker 11: it's only dawning on people now or in the last
Speaker 11: few weeks, or when they watch the debate, that there's
Speaker 11: something wrong. These people are lying to the public and
Speaker 11: or they're lying to themselves.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Michael, this is the crazy thing. If
Speaker 1: somebody out there, you know, in America or here had
Speaker 1: only been getting their news from the New York Times
Speaker 1: and the Cydney Morning Herald and the ABC and all
Speaker 1: of these other sorts of outlets that have all been
Speaker 1: in on it and saying, no, no, he's finding it's
Speaker 1: just a big right wing conspiracy. You'd have people out
Speaker 1: there who are now just coming to the party and saying, oh,
Speaker 1: really he's not okay, Well, well well whow was this?
Speaker 3: But Jimes, that's exactly what's happened in America. It's only
Speaker 3: since that I bite the people in America unless I've
Speaker 3: been watching Sean Hannady and Alason Fox News. Now they've
Speaker 3: last write a week, they've realized, hey, there's something wrong
Speaker 3: with the president because they've been told by that crazy
Speaker 3: Jean Pierre and everyone else that I know as sharp
Speaker 3: as attack. He's absolutely sharp as attack. Well, look, the
Speaker 3: bottom line is this, as I said last Thursday, put
Speaker 3: your gloves down. This guy's not running right. He is
Speaker 3: going to withdraw. He is going to withdraw. He will
Speaker 3: not be the Democratic Party candidate. I said last week,
Speaker 3: I think there's a ninety five percent chance of him withdrawing.
Speaker 3: But if you remember that great movie Zero tark thirty
Speaker 3: when Maya, the redheaded CIA agent, she's in the meeting
Speaker 3: with the secret of State and he says to her,
Speaker 3: what chance is that Bin Lauden is in that house
Speaker 3: in is Lammitt been a badabad? And she says one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. Okay, it's ninety five percent, because I know
Speaker 3: certainly freaks you out. Well, it's one hundred percent. Chiseled
Speaker 3: down to ninety five percent. That Biden is not running.
Speaker 3: He's finished, and everybody now knows this guy. He's obviously
Speaker 3: a nice guy, but he can't let go. But they're
Speaker 3: going to force him to let go, and he's not
Speaker 3: going to be the candidate. So Kamala Harris will be
Speaker 3: the candidate, lesson it's Michelle Obama, which I don't think
Speaker 3: it will be. Harris will be the candidate. You cannot, James,
Speaker 3: you cannot go for another four months of this with Biden.
Speaker 3: Every press conference, every speech, every word, every interview will
Speaker 3: be dissecting the guy's mental state. No one will discuss policy.
Speaker 3: It'll be like the next four months. I'll be like
Speaker 3: the last week. He's finished.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think there's a real
Speaker 1: case be made that he could wind up staying because
Speaker 1: he's got the delegates, he's got the money, he's got
Speaker 1: all of these Democrat voters who are going to vote
Speaker 1: for anybody. They'd vote for my cocker spaniel rather than
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. But they both have orange harrel tell you that.
Speaker 1: But so I don't know. There is a chance there
Speaker 1: that that he does stay and brazen it out.
Speaker 3: But there is zero chance, all right, Williams, There zero
Speaker 3: chance he's not staying. Will He's going.
Speaker 1: Jill Biden.
Speaker 3: Jill Biden's the problem. She's the problem.
Speaker 1: She's the problem. And Hunter. Hunter needs the part, and
Speaker 1: Hunter needs a part. And that's the other thing. But
Speaker 1: let's let's move on here to another important story here today,
Speaker 1: which is in the Australia. This hit me for six
Speaker 1: years saying that despite Labor saying that gas is all
Speaker 1: they say, oh, it's so important for our energy future,
Speaker 1: Labor's proposed system for investient and energy is going to
Speaker 1: reject gas. Say it's a no go. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of shilly shouting from the Prime Minister about this
Speaker 1: later when he was called on it. But this just
Speaker 1: shows the real pain that we're going to go through
Speaker 1: for Labour's energy plan because I mean, there's so much
Speaker 1: gas under the ground in your state of Victoria that
Speaker 1: they're not even getting out. And if you're going to
Speaker 1: have renewables and no gas to firm it, well that's trouble,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 3: M M look of course, cause you'd be using all
Speaker 3: the guests we've got in Victoria now. But what we're
Speaker 3: saying is this is a real This government is really confused.
Speaker 3: I mean you can say people saying, Chris Bowen and
Speaker 3: Alban easy, we're not going to hit our target at
Speaker 3: twenty thirty, twenty fifties, unlikely. We're going to have blackouts.
Speaker 3: The evy market's not working. You can't close down all
Speaker 3: the coal fired power stations we need gas. Renewable investments
Speaker 3: are not working. People are losing money investing all sorts
Speaker 3: of renewable technology. Companies are collapsing when they've invested in renewables.
Speaker 3: There's no revenue stream. I mean, Chris Bowen's head must
Speaker 3: be spinning. He's almost you almost get to think that
Speaker 3: Bowen would like to be relieved of this portfolio if
Speaker 3: there's a reshuffle. He's made such a schamuzzle of it,
Speaker 3: like Grandma's Christmas cake is everything in there is everything
Speaker 3: in there. I think he looks bruised and battered. The
Speaker 3: energy policy is a mess. He just keeps repeating the
Speaker 3: same lines and a emo at odds with him. Now,
Speaker 3: this is a mess. And as I said, he looks
Speaker 3: to me like a guy who's probably saying to Alban easy,
Speaker 3: get me out of here. Another portfolio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it did, Caroline. I got another letter from
Speaker 1: my energy company today saying that my energy bill, my
Speaker 1: electricity bill, my gas bills, well, you know, to serve
Speaker 1: to be better, or whatever sort of corporate nonsense language
Speaker 1: that they use of those sorts of things, is going
Speaker 1: to be. There are going to be some adjustments to
Speaker 1: the to the amounts that I paid for, not adjustment down,
Speaker 1: but not adjustments down. Oh god, the politics of this
Speaker 1: must be absolutely horrible. What's your sense of out there
Speaker 1: in the community. How much is the energy crisis going
Speaker 1: to wind up affecting people's votes the next election?
Speaker 11: Well, if the energy bills continue to go on, which
Speaker 11: they will, of course, it's going to affect people's votes
Speaker 11: because cost of living is the issue at the moment.
Speaker 11: It is the main issue. Whatever else we talk about
Speaker 11: on these shows. That's what people are mainly concerned with
Speaker 11: at home, and that it's how they're going to base
Speaker 11: their votes. I mean, obviously, we're getting this little boost
Speaker 11: to the government has artificially given us this three hundred
Speaker 11: dollars rebate on an energy bill which is going to
Speaker 11: happen over the next few quarters. But we haven't seen
Speaker 11: the two hundred and seventy five dollar in our bills
Speaker 11: that we were promised. So that's a big cross. And
Speaker 11: you know, all these people seeing their own adjustments on
Speaker 11: their energy bills at home, they're not going to be
Speaker 11: too pleased about that either.
Speaker 1: Well, no, exactly. And then it gets to this sort
Speaker 1: of funny position that we're in the economy. Caroline, stick
Speaker 1: with you on this one here too, because the Productition
Speaker 1: Productivity Commission has come out and said that two thirds
Speaker 1: of Gen extras and millennials are earning more than their
Speaker 1: parents did at their age. Now, Caroline, this does seem
Speaker 1: to fly in the face of some of the feeling
Speaker 1: that's out there. Or is it just that things are
Speaker 1: so much more expensive than everything that you know, those numbers,
Speaker 1: even adjusted for inflation of the years, don't matter.
Speaker 11: It doesn't matter because how many people who are millennials
Speaker 11: these days can afford their own home, especially in the
Speaker 11: capitalis in Australia, Like they would be thinking, we're not
Speaker 11: better off than our parents' generation at all.
Speaker 9: They could afford to live by.
Speaker 11: Their own home much younger, you know, in their twenties
Speaker 11: or early thirties.
Speaker 9: That's a pipe dream for many people. It may never happen.
Speaker 11: You're seeing couples now back in our parents' day, in
Speaker 11: the previous generations, where the mother, if they wanted to,
Speaker 11: they could stay home, have to work.
Speaker 9: Now you have to have a dual income in order
Speaker 9: to survive in many of these cities, so you don't
Speaker 9: have that choice.
Speaker 11: So while we might be earning more, and I wonder
Speaker 11: how much of it is because that was only single
Speaker 11: income households in a lot of cases, how much that
Speaker 11: affects the figures.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true, But Michael, I've want to ask you
Speaker 1: just a quick answer before we go to our winners
Speaker 1: and losers here, what do you think that Austria we
Speaker 1: call it the lad of the fair girl, but is
Speaker 1: it still.
Speaker 3: Well? Young people are losing out. I mean real disposal
Speaker 3: per capita household income is down over seven percent in
Speaker 3: the last two years. That's what feeling poorer. Inflation is
Speaker 3: killing our economy. It's killing wages, it's killing the cost
Speaker 3: of living obviously. So no, you know, young people are
Speaker 3: missing out because high interest rates are killing us. And
Speaker 3: this is all a product of many things, one of
Speaker 3: which is massive increases in government spending all around the country.
Speaker 3: Unless government's cut their spending, ultimately, you're never going to
Speaker 3: see inflation. You're not going to see inflation returning to
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank band of two to three percent for
Speaker 3: a year or more. Mate. So yeah, yeah, is it
Speaker 3: the same as it was early many years ago. No,
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 1: No, and I think it's it's It is definitely not,
Speaker 1: which is a real shame. But let me just go
Speaker 1: let you before you guys go winn is the loser
Speaker 1: of the week Caroline.
Speaker 9: Oh well, I think you can't go past.
Speaker 11: The biggest losers in the world have got to be
Speaker 11: those Hollywood elites that through everything they had behind.
Speaker 9: What is the other biggest loser in the world.
Speaker 11: And I hate to say it because he is a
Speaker 11: really so outside at the moment, but Joe Biden Winter,
Speaker 11: I guess Trump would be the winner out of that.
Speaker 1: Fair enough By Kroger. Winner's the losers of the week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, closer thing to Caroline A winner with Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: who's just sitting there thinking I can't be my good luck.
Speaker 3: The lows of the week is the six handicapper who
Speaker 3: won't be who won't be accepting any golf games even
Speaker 3: with a twenty shot start, because he wouldn't break one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. I saw he swing the other week
Speaker 3: on YouTube. He wouldn't break one hundred and fifty. So no,
Speaker 3: he's a loser of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm afraid I think you're Rightough. I think
Speaker 1: it was fascinating that he bragged about his handicap going
Speaker 1: down when he was vice president, which shows just a
Speaker 1: little work he was doing back then anyway, how much
Speaker 1: work he was doing. Yeah, correct, out of the golf course.
Speaker 1: We're going to swing anyway, Michael Kroger, Carolin Marcus, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me here in the van cave. Michael,
Speaker 1: thanks joining me tonight. Don't go anywhere. Next up, I
Speaker 1: got a great story for you. Yarra City Council. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Melbourne climate scaremongers now have a new woke diet. They
Speaker 1: want Victorians to get stuck into. Oh yummy, yummy, yummy.
Speaker 1: Let's see if my panelists will be keen to try
Speaker 1: it and eat the bugs. I doubt it. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the program, James Borrow here filling in for Paul
Speaker 1: on Pal Murray Live. Let's get stuck back into the discussion.
Speaker 1: Joining me now in the man cave is Gemma Toognini
Speaker 1: from GT Communications and you love her columns in The
Speaker 1: Australian as well as Victorian Libertarian Party MP David Limbrick.
Speaker 1: Welcome so much to both of you. Now let's start
Speaker 1: with our favorite debate, that of course being the nuclear debate.
Speaker 1: In an exclusive report from austrayon Labor, MPs have been
Speaker 1: apparently told to shut up and stop talking about nuclear energy,
Speaker 1: stop spreading those stupid three eyed fish beams, and now
Speaker 1: only Anthony Albanizi, Chris Bowen and Jim Chalmers have the
Speaker 1: green light to talk about atomic energy. This stems from
Speaker 1: concerned within the party about some of those memes I
Speaker 1: just mentioned as they might actually be. Who knew counterproductive? Now, Gemma,
Speaker 1: I want to throw this one to you because you're
Speaker 1: a communications expert. Some have said that, Some have said
Speaker 1: this you have a communications business, and I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: these memes are the way that the Labor Party has
Speaker 1: been approaching this debate in this really you know, juvenile
Speaker 1: and immature way. If they were your clients, what would
Speaker 1: you be telling them to do?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not just it's always the thing
Speaker 2: behind the thing, right, So of course, on surface value,
Speaker 2: it's stupid, it's juvenile, you can say all of those things.
Speaker 2: But the more damaging part of the way that the
Speaker 2: Labor Party in most of the federal MPs responded was
Speaker 2: the fact that it belittles a serious issue. So nuclear
Speaker 2: is a discussion we have to have. Everybody knows that
Speaker 2: we are the only country in the G twenty who's
Speaker 2: not at least bringing nuclear into the mix at some point.
Speaker 2: So apparently the rest of the world doesn't know what
Speaker 2: it's doing, but we do. Meanwhile, the cost of living
Speaker 2: is going up, the price of energy is going up.
Speaker 2: So the response of the government wasn't It wasn't just
Speaker 2: the surfaced, cosmetic level juvenile nature of it. It was
Speaker 2: the dismissiveness of a very serious issue that is hurting Australians.
Speaker 9: Very very hard.
Speaker 2: Businesses are suffering cost It's not just cost of living
Speaker 2: for you and I. It's the cost of doing business.
Speaker 2: It's a small cafe, family and cafe in the area
Speaker 2: that I live. And they're real, they're real bill bills
Speaker 2: and real dollars have gone up by something like seventy
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year. And how do you pass that
Speaker 2: on to your customers? That's a lot of right, It
Speaker 2: is a lot of ladas.
Speaker 9: So the government.
Speaker 2: It shows lots of things. That shows arrogance, It shows
Speaker 2: this disconnect, It shows an absolute disinterest in saying, you know,
Speaker 2: we need to have an energy mix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and David, what do you make of all of this,
Speaker 1: Because it seems to me that Labor, that there are
Speaker 1: a few divisions within labor, and that there are some
Speaker 1: ALP members who just quietly would be very happy to
Speaker 1: see nuclear go forward if it took some of the
Speaker 1: pressure off of this energy debacle that they're running headlong into.
Speaker 6: Well, we know that some of the unions support used
Speaker 6: to support nuclear, they've changed their mind now. But I
Speaker 6: think what this proves is, you know that the left
Speaker 6: car't meme. We've known this for a long time. Choosing
Speaker 6: to fight a battle on memes was a failure from
Speaker 6: the start, and now they've told all the embarrassed labor
Speaker 6: MPs to you know, shut up and not do memes
Speaker 6: anymore and hand over the debate to the Prime Minister
Speaker 6: who can't even pronounce the word nuclear. So I think
Speaker 6: that they're running headlong into failure on this.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's right. It's not nuculler, as Chris Bowl
Speaker 1: keeps saying. But anyway, I had another great story out
Speaker 1: of Melbourne. Here the Yarra City councilor Victor Koria is
Speaker 1: calling on its residents to act on the climate emergency,
Speaker 1: that's their words, by adopting a vegetarian diet. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I don't live in Yarra City Council, by the way,
Speaker 1: because I'll be telling them what I think, as well
Speaker 1: as even shifting their banking and superannuation away from companies
Speaker 1: that deal with fossil fuel investments. This is all part
Speaker 1: of the council. This is a local council, by the way.
Speaker 1: They've got an eighty one page climate emergency plan for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to twenty thirty which was passed unanimously
Speaker 1: at Tuesday nights council meeting. Jemma. You know, the American
Speaker 1: writer hl Macan had a great line that democracy is
Speaker 1: the theory of government that the people get what they
Speaker 1: want and they get it good and hard. I feel
Speaker 1: like the Yarra council electors here who have voted in
Speaker 1: this council that unanimously approved this nonsense. Well, I think
Speaker 1: they should be forced to eat you know, only a
Speaker 1: vengeance Harry and diet and take their money out of
Speaker 1: profitable investments.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I think they need to
Speaker 2: hand over the keys to the car. I would guarantee
Speaker 2: that maybe half of them drive an EV but even so,
Speaker 2: EV's are made with fossil fuels. So they need to
Speaker 2: hand over the keys or the passcard to their tesla.
Speaker 9: I know what that looks like.
Speaker 2: They need to hand over their mobile phones, and they
Speaker 2: need to go live in the bush, and they need
Speaker 2: to live a subsistence existence. You know, this is the
Speaker 2: ultimate let them meat, Kate Cohort. These are the people who,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's some sort of sickness to
Speaker 2: be honest, like, if that's what they genuinely think is
Speaker 2: good policy, if that's what they genuinely think is contributing
Speaker 2: to a more functional local government area, because that's what
Speaker 2: we're talking about. Then there's something fundamentally wrong with these
Speaker 2: people as a cohort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, damd, I have to ask this
Speaker 1: to you, and I really hate to ask this question
Speaker 1: because Victoria is a lovely state. They've got some beautiful
Speaker 1: wine regions, all sorts of lovely stuff there. But what
Speaker 1: on earth is going on down there?
Speaker 6: Well, Yarra Council has been sort of taken over by
Speaker 6: the Greens and socialists and everyone else. But this idea
Speaker 6: of decolonizing the city of Yarra, let's not just throw
Speaker 6: it away. I think the idea of decolonization in the
Speaker 6: city of Yarra is actually something that we should embrace.
Speaker 6: The very first thing that they should do is hand
Speaker 6: over the council to the traditional owner corporations that they
Speaker 6: mentioned so many times. And I don't know what they'll
Speaker 6: be like running the council, but it can't get any worse.
Speaker 6: And the councilors should lead by example and decolonize the
Speaker 6: city of Yarra and leave and not let the doors
Speaker 6: smack their ass on the way out.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you know, and look, I will be
Speaker 1: fair to you, David that it is not just obviously
Speaker 1: withdrawing councils. You know here in New South Wales we
Speaker 1: also have people who want to do ridiculous things here.
Speaker 1: And last night we brought you the story and Tivlair
Speaker 1: has written a fantastic piece in today's Daily Telegraph. Check
Speaker 1: it out about this tokenistic proposed name change for the
Speaker 1: Cooks River, which runs through portion of city very close
Speaker 1: to where I live. By the way, the proposed name
Speaker 1: change being pushed from the Cooks River Alliance would mean
Speaker 1: that the Cooks River, and you know it's named after
Speaker 1: that real batty Captain Cook, would now be known as Guliyari. Jemma,
Speaker 1: do you see this proposal getting over the line? And again,
Speaker 1: what's with these councils? Why can't they just pick up
Speaker 1: the trash?
Speaker 2: Oh look, I have no idea whether it'll get over
Speaker 2: the line. I do think it's symptomatic of a greater
Speaker 2: malays though, this idea of self loathing and being able
Speaker 2: to you know, unable to look with the sober mind
Speaker 2: at the past and go things happened that we would
Speaker 2: never tolerate today, because that's just.
Speaker 9: The history of history, if you like.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean you erase it, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that changing a name will change anything.
Speaker 9: That happened in the past. And who are these people.
Speaker 2: Actually trying to, you know, a peace or get approval
Speaker 2: from It doesn't make any sense to me at all
Speaker 2: if you think, if you think about the LGA that
Speaker 2: I live in, and I'm learning a little bit about
Speaker 2: this two and a half years in Sydney, and it's
Speaker 2: slightly different, but you know, there's so many For example,
Speaker 2: I know that there's a DV shelter, a domestic violent
Speaker 2: shelter that lives that operates in the LGA that I
Speaker 2: live in, and the council is not bending over itself
Speaker 2: to do anything to help this organization, right, They're too
Speaker 2: busy telling us things like that. So but I guess
Speaker 2: it comes back to that place of we get what
Speaker 2: we tolerate. Most of us have got too much on
Speaker 2: our plate to bother with local government. And that's the
Speaker 2: problem because the people who literally want to go into
Speaker 2: local government for this sort of stuff other people who
Speaker 2: shouldn't be elected.
Speaker 1: I think that's very well said. Now, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a quick break. We'll be
Speaker 1: back with David Limbrick and jematog Nini with a lot
Speaker 1: more here on Palmary Live After the break, Don't Go Anywhere.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Poulbarray Live. James Borrow here sitting in
Speaker 1: for the great Man. Great to have your company, and
Speaker 1: now let's talk here about a topic with our panelist
Speaker 1: David Limbrick here. I know, David, you're very passionate about that.
Speaker 1: That is, there's been another alleged targeted attack on a
Speaker 1: tobacco store in Springfield, Victoria, in the early hours of
Speaker 1: this morning. David, you've called out the Incommon Health bureaucraft's
Speaker 1: advising government on these matters. What's signatually in health these
Speaker 1: tobacco stores, why they seem to keep going up in
Speaker 1: flames allegedly, and shed's more light on just what's going
Speaker 1: on here in Victoria.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's not just Victoria, but Victoria is sort
Speaker 6: of leading the way again here, which is rather unfortunate.
Speaker 6: But what's happened is we've got federal massive excise taxes
Speaker 6: on tobacco and we've also banned vaping in Victoria and federally,
Speaker 6: and that what's happened there is it's created an incentive
Speaker 6: for organized crime to get involved in black market tobacco
Speaker 6: and vaping, and has gotten to the point now where
Speaker 6: they control the market. As anyone understands with black markets,
Speaker 6: when they first start, they grow and grow and grow
Speaker 6: until they reach a saturation point, at which point you
Speaker 6: will get competitors that fight over territory and fire bomb
Speaker 6: each other, which is what's happening in the state. The
Speaker 6: clear solution here is for the federal government to cut
Speaker 6: excise tax to a reasonable rate that doesn't incentifize organized crime,
Speaker 6: and legalize vaping for adults that will undermine it. As
Speaker 6: we've seen through enforcement efforts. Enforcement will not work. The
Speaker 6: federal and the state governments have handed over the state
Speaker 6: to organize crime and this has to stop.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right there. I think you're right
Speaker 1: about that excise tax, and I know Paul will be
Speaker 1: very happy for me to say that that excise tax
Speaker 1: definitely needs to be cut on cigars too. So Peter,
Speaker 1: there's a platform plank for the next election, whenever that is.
Speaker 1: But let's touch on the story which truly shows. We've
Speaker 1: talked about the cost of living tonight and every night,
Speaker 1: the cost of doing crisis hitting Australia A furious patron
Speaker 1: at a local New South Wales Mid North Coast cafe
Speaker 1: has called out what they called a disgusting portion she
Speaker 1: received for a ten dollars serving of hot chips. Now, Jemma,
Speaker 1: talk to me about this current crisis of cost living
Speaker 1: that everybody Australians can't enjoy a solid serving of chips.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand too, as you say, as
Speaker 1: you said before the break, you know these cafes they've
Speaker 1: got a huge outgoings. Now they've got to pay. So
Speaker 1: that's the problem.
Speaker 2: It's wages, it's it's the you know, they're making it
Speaker 2: difficult for particularly hospitality to continue to employ casuals because
Speaker 2: unions are the tail that wags the dog of this government.
Speaker 9: And the cost if.
Speaker 2: You're if you're out, I mean, it's is this is
Speaker 2: like the most potent reminder that the people setting economic
Speaker 2: policy in this government have now worked in the real economy.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that to be political or disruptive.
Speaker 9: That is just a fact.
Speaker 2: So never run a business, never worked in a business
Speaker 2: outside of academy. I'm talking about mister Chalmer's academia or
Speaker 2: politics or the union movement.
Speaker 9: So that is just factual.
Speaker 2: There's no idea about running a P and L, no
Speaker 2: idea about balancing a budget, no idea about outgoings versus incomings,
Speaker 2: the difference between profit and revenue, for example. So if
Speaker 2: you're in small business, whether it's a cafe or otherwise,
Speaker 2: and your costs are incrementally and consistently going up and
Speaker 2: you cannot do this is what you're going to get.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like the cost of I went and
Speaker 2: did some grocery shopping on the way up here tonight.
Speaker 2: My life is exciting. People had I had one bag?
Speaker 2: One bag, like not even a full bag was one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. It's one hundred bucks and I'm looking at
Speaker 2: doing I'm sorry, but what is there like magic groceries
Speaker 2: in there? But there weren't magic groceries. It was just normal,
Speaker 2: very boring groceries and it wasn't even full. And that's
Speaker 2: the reality that you extrapolate twenty five twenty six million
Speaker 2: times over in this country. And the Prime Minister wonders
Speaker 2: why they're you know, there's rumors at the station.
Speaker 1: Well, David, I mean you, as a libertarian, what do
Speaker 1: you say to these costs? And what can the goverd do,
Speaker 1: like what will the be the top three quick things
Speaker 1: you could do if you could come in to play
Speaker 1: Javier Malay with the Australian economy so that you know
Speaker 1: you can get a decent pile of chips that would
Speaker 1: have cost you ten bucks.
Speaker 6: Well, you'll never get a seagull as greedy as the
Speaker 6: government and as anyone that knows. Anyone that knows that
Speaker 6: studied Milton Friedman will know that inflation which is the
Speaker 6: root cause of all this. And I share Gem's view
Speaker 6: that it's a bit rough to be pointing the finger
Speaker 6: at fish and chip shops. But inflation is caused by
Speaker 6: printing money, borrowing money, and spending money. So if you
Speaker 6: want three things to stop inflation governments stopped doing. Let's
Speaker 6: stop doing those three things, or at least cut back
Speaker 6: on it, and that will affect inflation. That will stop inflation.
Speaker 6: That's the thoughts of inflation. Is the government borrowing, printing and.
Speaker 1: Enough David, now, David, before I let both of you go,
Speaker 1: very quick answers from both of you. Winners and losers
Speaker 1: of the week, GEMMATAGNEDI, Oh.
Speaker 2: Winners of the week, Oh, good lord, good lord? What's
Speaker 2: winner of the week?
Speaker 3: Winner?
Speaker 9: Of the week. I have no winners of the week.
Speaker 2: Help me out.
Speaker 1: I'm a loser.
Speaker 9: Loser of the week, I have to say, mister.
Speaker 1: Turnbull, welcome turble. Okay, probably sad. I think I think
Speaker 1: you're right, David Limbrick. Winners and losers very quickly.
Speaker 6: Wine of the week organized crime as usual in Victoria.
Speaker 6: Losers of the week is all of the labor and
Speaker 6: pace that shared the crappy Simpsons memes.
Speaker 1: And you've got to win very quickly.
Speaker 2: The winn of the week Chrismins for stopping retail trade
Speaker 2: on Anzac Day.
Speaker 1: Oh very good, Christmins, Christmins, all right, thank you so much. GEMMATAGNEDI,
Speaker 1: David Librick, that's all the time I've got tonight. I'll
Speaker 1: be back Sunday night. For now, stay tuned for the
Speaker 1: late debate coming at you now.