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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Clink and part two of Brand's

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Speaker 3: chat with Mark Luciari. In this episode, we hear more

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Speaker 3: of Mark's fighting career and a moment in the sky

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Speaker 3: that inspired a new documentary.

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Speaker 1: Looking at who you are, and you know what you

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Speaker 1: bring to the table today and you know it's it's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. You know, you're dedicated, committed, you really

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Speaker 1: want change and want to help people through being here

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Speaker 1: today opening up as you know, like I said, I

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Speaker 1: know you're a bit of a private man, so it

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Speaker 1: is very much an honor to have you sit down

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Speaker 1: and have this conversation.

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Speaker 4: And I know that you've been doing.

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Speaker 1: A couple of other podcasts of late with great reason,

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Speaker 1: which we're definitely going to touch on, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: ours to be different to the others.

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Speaker 4: You know, I feel that I can have a little

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Speaker 4: bit more of.

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Speaker 1: A personal chat with you as a post yeah definitely

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Speaker 1: podcast and that makes me very proud. So I want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you for allowing me that space and

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Speaker 1: allowing me to, yeah, a touch on some things that

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Speaker 1: you probably haven't spoken about. You come back to Australia,

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Speaker 1: you get asked to jump into a what was it,

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Speaker 1: the tough tough man.

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Speaker 5: Tough man, I actually retired, That's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You talk about a tough man, and this is my point.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've gone from the commitment and the dedication

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Speaker 1: to training and supporting and in your absolute peak. And mate,

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Speaker 1: just just for the record, what were what were the awards,

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Speaker 5: Just two Aussie titles? World beater or whatever, But yeah,

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Speaker 5: beat a lot of world never won a world title

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Speaker 5: and beat a lot of world champions, and mate, just

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Speaker 5: I don't I think I was an entertaining fighter and

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Speaker 5: that's what was the best for me. You know, Like

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Speaker 5: my win loss record is not far apart, you know.

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Speaker 5: I remember it's like thirty wins or twenty eight wins

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Speaker 5: and fourteen losses and of that, so not that far apart,

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Speaker 5: you know, But I think I was just an entertaining fighter.

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Speaker 5: I fought with my freaking heart on my sleeve, and

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Speaker 5: I think my accolte ad mainly with fighting was fighting pure,

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Speaker 5: love that. The belts here are amazing and everything like that.

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Speaker 5: But you know, and then obviously the was a tough

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Speaker 1: Can you give that just because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: you want to just you've lived, I don't want to

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Speaker 5: That was a tough Man. It was sixteen men got

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Speaker 5: And yeah it was a tough man. I've seen it,

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Speaker 1: You know, I just knew were fucking monsters like you were.

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Speaker 5: You know, I just knew. I was just knew i'd

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Speaker 4: The glories, finished the top.

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Speaker 5: I was lucky to because I had other sports. I

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Speaker 1: And you can sometimes lose the fight in your own

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Speaker 4: And that that moving forward.

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Speaker 1: That's something that I think is so valuable in the

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Speaker 4: You move into another phase. Man, so many phases of life,

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Speaker 1: ladder and there's so much value in each level of

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Speaker 1: even know sometimes the lessons that we could learn from people.

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Speaker 1: And there is so much value out there and everybody's journey.

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Speaker 5: Everyone has value.

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Speaker 1: Your journey is here today and I think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: You mentioned that.

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Speaker 5: It's changed my life. I've done five journeys and literally

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Speaker 1: But if you send me a message or a polite

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh mate, yeah, one hundred percent. And humans a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think too, Mark, I think you know. And

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Speaker 4: Right, so anyway, pull me apart, you know what I mean.

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00:21:07,001 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: Professionals are needed in this world, but the actual contribution

434
00:21:11,041 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 1: of people who have lived and experience survived come out

435
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,521
Speaker 1: moments like this, having these charts, delivering this to a

436
00:21:18,561 --> 00:21:20,841
Speaker 1: beautiful audience out there that someone's going to go, well,

437
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to try. I'm going to take up on

438
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,041
Speaker 1: what Mark and Simmel were talking about, like it's just

439
00:21:27,321 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: endless of.

440
00:21:28,241 --> 00:21:31,321
Speaker 4: What we can do to give and help others.

441
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,601
Speaker 1: I do want to really hit on this because this

442
00:21:34,681 --> 00:21:37,201
Speaker 1: is something that I'm getting the hairs on my arms

443
00:21:37,201 --> 00:21:39,321
Speaker 1: stand up as you can see. I'm about I think

444
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,361
Speaker 1: you know where I'm going to head. I did say

445
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:47,001
Speaker 1: at the beginning, you know, with God's grace that basically

446
00:21:47,041 --> 00:21:47,681
Speaker 1: you're still here.

447
00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:51,801
Speaker 4: You had a I don't.

448
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: Even know what you would call the experience, because how

449
00:21:54,521 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: many people survive at one and two only you're here

450
00:21:57,921 --> 00:22:01,761
Speaker 1: to tell that story. You've been able to put that

451
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,921
Speaker 1: with another wonderful native yours into a fantastic documentary. I'm

452
00:22:06,921 --> 00:22:09,161
Speaker 1: looking forward to joining you on the fourteenth of December

453
00:22:09,441 --> 00:22:12,161
Speaker 1: at the Hotel on the Gold Coast and I'll let

454
00:22:12,201 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: you give a little bit more sort of in depth

455
00:22:14,921 --> 00:22:15,201
Speaker 1: to that.

456
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:22,121
Speaker 4: But this fuck, I'm tingling. I am, I really am. Mark.

457
00:22:22,481 --> 00:22:25,121
Speaker 5: I'll give you a spoiler survive so it's all good.

458
00:22:25,241 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 4: This is crazy. This is really really crazy.

459
00:22:28,441 --> 00:22:33,121
Speaker 1: So guys, you know, listen up real careful about how

460
00:22:33,241 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: quick life.

461
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 4: Can be taken from me. Mark. Please can you share

462
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,561
Speaker 4: with us that day?

463
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,521
Speaker 5: Thanks? Mate? But yeah, like we're just another day of

464
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,761
Speaker 5: jumping down Byron Bay. Everything's going good. It's the most

465
00:22:45,801 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 5: beautiful bluebird day where we've been jumping all day, like

466
00:22:49,441 --> 00:22:50,961
Speaker 5: with the boys, I think we've done six or seven

467
00:22:51,041 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 5: jumps that day. Life as good as it gets, you know,

468
00:22:53,321 --> 00:22:56,041
Speaker 5: the froth is high as and it was last jump

469
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 5: of the day, a sunset jump, and like.

470
00:22:59,001 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: That run down Boomers don't say one morning, yeah mate,

471
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,321
Speaker 1: it's always the way that you like.

472
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,121
Speaker 5: There's like we literally we're having an event in Barron Bay.

473
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,561
Speaker 5: There was a DJ set art plane on the in

474
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 5: the landing area. Boys with the beers. Pizzas have been ordered.

475
00:23:13,921 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 5: And this big last jump is like all the you know,

476
00:23:17,041 --> 00:23:20,561
Speaker 5: the experienced jumpers jumping together on what we call a

477
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 5: big way. There was seventeen of us on the jump.

478
00:23:23,201 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 5: We all fly together in this format. We're doing an

479
00:23:25,441 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 5: angle jump, which is like where we all fly together

480
00:23:27,681 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 5: in this formation across the sky.

481
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: How many planes took yourself?

482
00:23:30,721 --> 00:23:32,281
Speaker 5: The one plane seventeen?

483
00:23:33,321 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 4: Is that that plane of boring?

484
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,241
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're seventeen sitting on each other's head pretty much.

485
00:23:38,321 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Now, and then this and this is the whole

486
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,521
Speaker 5: part of how it happens is you know when when

487
00:23:45,681 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 5: there's that many people in the plane, whenre's that many

488
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,241
Speaker 5: people leaving at the same time, because that's usually there's

489
00:23:49,241 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 5: that many people in the plane, but you know that

490
00:23:51,801 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 5: you two will go, three will go, four, will go greenlaw. Yeah,

491
00:23:56,241 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 5: you've got to have separation, but we all jumping together us.

492
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,481
Speaker 5: We all need to get out as quick as we can.

493
00:24:00,921 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 5: You also can't all be down the back of the

494
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,561
Speaker 5: plane because the plane will stall. So you're gonna have

495
00:24:04,761 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 5: half the people up the front, half people down the

496
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,401
Speaker 5: back half.

497
00:24:07,441 --> 00:24:10,521
Speaker 1: People are outside and you're on your shuffling through, aren't you.

498
00:24:10,561 --> 00:24:13,881
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're all shuffling through. And then anyway, long

499
00:24:13,921 --> 00:24:17,561
Speaker 5: story short, I was first diver of the second group.

500
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 5: So I think there's like eight people in our group.

501
00:24:19,441 --> 00:24:22,201
Speaker 5: I think nine in the group in the first group,

502
00:24:22,281 --> 00:24:26,641
Speaker 5: and you. The first group obviously leaves and they leave

503
00:24:26,681 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 5: before you, so they're a lot lower. So every person

504
00:24:29,201 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 5: that comes out after that has to dive down to

505
00:24:31,001 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 5: the group. And with skydiving, yeah, you can fall flat

506
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,241
Speaker 5: on your belly and you're falling out, you know, terminal veloscity,

507
00:24:38,241 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: flat in your belly, whatever your body part you're presenting

508
00:24:42,001 --> 00:24:44,801
Speaker 5: to the wind, you can fall slower and faster. So

509
00:24:44,801 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 5: if you're flat, you're falling as slow as you can go.

510
00:24:47,041 --> 00:24:50,041
Speaker 5: If you're on your head or standing up straight up,

511
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,521
Speaker 5: you're pin you know, Yeah, there's no resistance. You're falling

512
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,041
Speaker 5: very fast. So the last guy, which my buddy Benny was,

513
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 5: he's got to jump out and dive down to the

514
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 5: group as fast as he can. Usually the last jumpers

515
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: are the most experienced jumpers. In this case was too,

516
00:25:05,201 --> 00:25:08,241
Speaker 5: you know, like the best jumpers, I guess, And yeah,

517
00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:10,761
Speaker 5: Bennie was just I was flying in my slot. I

518
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: exited the plane and was in the in the jump,

519
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 5: and yeah, Bennie just come through the group. He just

520
00:25:16,761 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 5: mistimed everything and just made a mistake. Didn't realize we

521
00:25:20,201 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 5: weren't going to be as far he thought were going

522
00:25:21,681 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 5: to be a bit further away than we were. A

523
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,281
Speaker 5: lot of factors when he do it. I won't go

524
00:25:26,321 --> 00:25:28,001
Speaker 5: too deep because you have to watch the documentary to

525
00:25:28,041 --> 00:25:30,961
Speaker 5: get it, but yeah, he knocked He come through the

526
00:25:31,001 --> 00:25:34,041
Speaker 5: group and hit me and knocked me out cold. First

527
00:25:34,041 --> 00:25:36,041
Speaker 5: time I had actually ever been knocked out cold. I've

528
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,041
Speaker 5: lost a few fights from knockouts. But you know, being.

529
00:25:39,521 --> 00:25:42,321
Speaker 1: Speed, was he coming at you, he would have been

530
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: doing It's hard to tell.

531
00:25:44,481 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 5: He probably would have. I was probably doing about two

532
00:25:47,281 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 5: and twenty and he was probably doing three three twenty maybe, yeah,

533
00:25:55,041 --> 00:25:58,361
Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more. Yeah, he come through, his knee,

534
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,161
Speaker 5: collide in the back of my head, so I'm knocked out.

535
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,801
Speaker 5: His legs exploded on the back of my head.

536
00:26:05,521 --> 00:26:07,321
Speaker 1: So he blew his knee completely out.

537
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,721
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a hand grenade went off inside his knee.

538
00:26:09,921 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 5: Oh and yeah, so he's actually, yeah, he's hit me.

539
00:26:15,481 --> 00:26:18,041
Speaker 5: I've flung off like this. A couple of boys have

540
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: seen it from the back of the group who were

541
00:26:20,481 --> 00:26:23,001
Speaker 5: coming into the group as well, and they had seen

542
00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: the collision, seen me fall off, obviously in an unconscious position.

543
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,801
Speaker 5: They've dived down. Benny's had to pitch his parachute, so

544
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 5: he's you know, he's opened up quite high from what

545
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: we usually opened up, and all you can see is

546
00:26:35,521 --> 00:26:36,761
Speaker 5: see me falling out of the sky.

547
00:26:37,321 --> 00:26:38,721
Speaker 4: So can I just sort of just to put it

548
00:26:38,761 --> 00:26:42,001
Speaker 4: in perspective here? Because what how high was it?

549
00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I've only ever done ten thousand, so what's

550
00:26:44,801 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: where were you guys?

551
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,281
Speaker 5: So we left at fourteen thousand, right, and the collision

552
00:26:49,321 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: would have happened at about ten thousand, eight thousand feet, Okay, So.

553
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,721
Speaker 1: For me, I can understand that hadn't seen that level

554
00:26:57,761 --> 00:26:59,801
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that's why I probably like a third of

555
00:26:59,801 --> 00:27:02,881
Speaker 1: the jump, yep, you know, a long way to go down.

556
00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:04,961
Speaker 5: Still, yeah, still a long way. So I think he'd

557
00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:07,281
Speaker 5: open his canopy by about eight thousand feet, so we

558
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 5: must have he must have hit We hit each other

559
00:27:09,201 --> 00:27:11,641
Speaker 5: probably about eight and a half nine thousand feet maybe.

560
00:27:11,761 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 5: I think he opened about seven and a half eight

561
00:27:14,001 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 5: thousand feet.

562
00:27:14,761 --> 00:27:16,161
Speaker 4: What's normal about five to.

563
00:27:16,561 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 5: Three and a half. We pitch our parachute for you guys,

564
00:27:19,241 --> 00:27:21,561
Speaker 5: what about for us as for tandems? About five five?

565
00:27:21,961 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's yeah, that's what I thought. So you guys

566
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,481
Speaker 1: are just like banged.

567
00:27:26,201 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, No, he's still a long time. You fall

568
00:27:30,561 --> 00:27:32,761
Speaker 5: at terminal velocity. I think it's a thousand feet every

569
00:27:32,801 --> 00:27:35,641
Speaker 5: ten seconds, So yeah, it's a long time, but it's

570
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 5: also not a long time, you know. Yeah, And look, yeah,

571
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,481
Speaker 5: Benny All he sees me falling out of the sky

572
00:27:43,721 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: in an obvious unconscious position, and he's under canopy with

573
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,681
Speaker 5: a smash leag and he he didn't see me open

574
00:27:50,721 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: my canopy, so he actually thought he killed me, you know,

575
00:27:55,721 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 5: and he had to fly himself back to the drop

576
00:27:57,441 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: zone thinking this the whole time. This is all in

577
00:28:00,281 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: the documentary. You know, he had some pretty horrible thoughts

578
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,521
Speaker 5: in the sky. He thought he'd just killed someone. You know,

579
00:28:04,521 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna make and.

580
00:28:05,281 --> 00:28:07,481
Speaker 4: What and not just someone a mate?

581
00:28:07,801 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, mate, you know, we were actually we were acquaintances

582
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,561
Speaker 5: from the drop zone. We were friends because we see

583
00:28:13,561 --> 00:28:15,121
Speaker 5: each other the drop zone, but we didn't know too

584
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,561
Speaker 5: much about each other at that time.

585
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: But when you're in that moment your family.

586
00:28:18,761 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent on each of you

587
00:28:22,561 --> 00:28:25,801
Speaker 1: to land together and for sure, Yeah, there's no.

588
00:28:25,761 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 4: Other way of looking at it.

589
00:28:26,761 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 5: And you know, look, Benny's job too. He's a paramedic,

590
00:28:29,201 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 5: you know, so he's a caring person who you know,

591
00:28:31,681 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 5: he's he's literally dedicated his life to helping humans, you know,

592
00:28:34,721 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: and he thought he'd made a mistake that actually had

593
00:28:37,761 --> 00:28:41,521
Speaker 5: cost someone, you know, their life. So you know he's

594
00:28:41,561 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 5: going through that. And this is what the documentary is

595
00:28:43,241 --> 00:28:45,641
Speaker 5: all about about, all these different sides of the story.

596
00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:48,081
Speaker 5: That's what it's called impact. The noun of impact two

597
00:28:48,081 --> 00:28:51,561
Speaker 5: objects colliding. The verb is effect, the effect that it has.

598
00:28:51,641 --> 00:28:55,161
Speaker 5: You know, I'm falling out of this guy unconscious. Two

599
00:28:55,201 --> 00:28:57,481
Speaker 5: of the boys are flying after me, like point break,

600
00:28:58,001 --> 00:28:59,801
Speaker 5: trying to get to me. One of the boys nearly

601
00:28:59,841 --> 00:29:02,641
Speaker 5: gets to me. I don't want to ruin the documentary.

602
00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:06,001
Speaker 5: It nearly gets to me. No, I won't.

603
00:29:06,001 --> 00:29:06,481
Speaker 4: I won't.

604
00:29:06,641 --> 00:29:09,321
Speaker 1: And this is the thing I don't want, obviously that

605
00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:12,201
Speaker 1: to be exposed, because there's something that we all need

606
00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:14,841
Speaker 1: to see, because there's so much value in this documentary

607
00:29:14,881 --> 00:29:16,721
Speaker 1: and it is an award winning documentary.

608
00:29:17,161 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: But I'm i want to try and slow.

609
00:29:20,481 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: It down just for a little minute. The speed that

610
00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:26,401
Speaker 1: you're falling, you're unconscious.

611
00:29:26,601 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: Your buddies are.

612
00:29:27,761 --> 00:29:30,681
Speaker 1: Trying to work out a way of how they're going

613
00:29:30,721 --> 00:29:34,041
Speaker 1: to stop you from dying. If you're not already exactly

614
00:29:34,201 --> 00:29:38,001
Speaker 1: how do they then stop you from just exploding into

615
00:29:38,001 --> 00:29:38,681
Speaker 1: the grounds.

616
00:29:39,281 --> 00:29:43,881
Speaker 5: There's like there's a lot of different factors that could happen. Yeah, wow,

617
00:29:44,121 --> 00:29:47,401
Speaker 5: Luky one of the boys. The first thing he thought

618
00:29:47,441 --> 00:29:49,121
Speaker 5: was to try and get to me. See what see

619
00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 5: what condition I was in?

620
00:29:50,361 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: So can they get to you and actually touch you

621
00:29:52,321 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: in a safe way at that speed without depends.

622
00:29:56,641 --> 00:29:59,361
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got so much control, Like, we really have

623
00:29:59,481 --> 00:30:03,561
Speaker 5: so much control in the air when we're conscious. But

624
00:30:03,681 --> 00:30:06,801
Speaker 5: I was, I was semi conscious, but I was like

625
00:30:06,921 --> 00:30:09,161
Speaker 5: I was spinning on my back, I was flipping on

626
00:30:09,201 --> 00:30:12,161
Speaker 5: my belly. I was I was coming too, but I

627
00:30:12,241 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: was so rattled. I didn't like you can see me,

628
00:30:14,441 --> 00:30:18,121
Speaker 5: I'm like grabbing my helmet. You see blood, blood span

629
00:30:18,161 --> 00:30:20,601
Speaker 5: out of my helmet, looks like I tried to turn

630
00:30:20,641 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 5: my camera on. At one stage, I half through my

631
00:30:23,761 --> 00:30:28,361
Speaker 5: emergency procedures, you know, half like cut away. We have

632
00:30:28,401 --> 00:30:30,321
Speaker 5: two emergency sieges and you cut away your maine, then

633
00:30:30,361 --> 00:30:33,161
Speaker 5: you pull your reserve, and I cut away the main

634
00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:36,241
Speaker 5: and you can see I'm literally passing the cutaway handle

635
00:30:36,281 --> 00:30:38,521
Speaker 5: in front of my face, I think three or four times.

636
00:30:38,881 --> 00:30:40,761
Speaker 5: So my mind must have been trying to figure out,

637
00:30:40,801 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 5: like what's going on, you know, And all this time

638
00:30:43,961 --> 00:30:46,561
Speaker 5: Luki's flown over it and he nearly gets to me.

639
00:30:47,041 --> 00:30:49,601
Speaker 5: But when he come in, I'm spinning quite fast and

640
00:30:49,601 --> 00:30:51,401
Speaker 5: it's quite dangerous for him to get spin.

641
00:30:51,481 --> 00:30:52,401
Speaker 4: That's what I was asking.

642
00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 5: And then there's all these different factors. Is if what

643
00:30:55,481 --> 00:30:57,161
Speaker 5: he was thinking of doing is getting to me and

644
00:30:57,201 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: maybe pitching my parachute for me pulling it, yep, but

645
00:31:00,241 --> 00:31:02,921
Speaker 5: then my parachute can open and we fly. Our main

646
00:31:02,961 --> 00:31:07,281
Speaker 5: canopies are quite small and very high performance, where your

647
00:31:07,361 --> 00:31:11,081
Speaker 5: reserve canopy is a lot bigger, it's a lot more docile.

648
00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:15,601
Speaker 5: It's made to fly. Yeah, yeah, well our main canopies

649
00:31:15,601 --> 00:31:18,401
Speaker 5: are like sports cars a yeah, yeah, you know. And

650
00:31:18,481 --> 00:31:20,881
Speaker 5: if you're not doing any inputs, you're going to hit

651
00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:23,601
Speaker 5: the ground. Ye're going to die anyway, because you have

652
00:31:23,641 --> 00:31:26,801
Speaker 5: to do inputs to slow the canopy down enough to survive.

653
00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:30,241
Speaker 4: Which is why you learn the swooping and the diving

654
00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:32,841
Speaker 4: sort of stuff.

655
00:31:33,161 --> 00:31:37,001
Speaker 5: You know, everything that happened worked out for the best

656
00:31:37,001 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: because I obviously survived, but Lukey was very He couldn't

657
00:31:40,961 --> 00:31:43,361
Speaker 5: get to me. He tried to and he tried to

658
00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:46,561
Speaker 5: grab me, and I flip out of control, and then

659
00:31:46,601 --> 00:31:49,521
Speaker 5: he had to pitch his parachute. He's we have safety devices,

660
00:31:50,481 --> 00:31:52,401
Speaker 5: you know that tells you what heights you're going through.

661
00:31:52,441 --> 00:31:55,081
Speaker 5: We haven't set at at a height that's we call

662
00:31:55,161 --> 00:31:58,081
Speaker 5: our hard deck, which is like, that's the lowest suit

663
00:31:58,081 --> 00:32:00,561
Speaker 5: we can go. You know, you need to get material

664
00:32:00,641 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: out above your head. And so he's device's safety device

665
00:32:05,161 --> 00:32:07,601
Speaker 5: is buzzing in his head telling him his needs to pitch.

666
00:32:07,641 --> 00:32:09,241
Speaker 5: He had to pitch, and then I just keep falling

667
00:32:09,281 --> 00:32:13,241
Speaker 5: out of the sky, and so he is like, I'm

668
00:32:13,281 --> 00:32:15,561
Speaker 5: about to watch my mate die. We call it going in.

669
00:32:15,641 --> 00:32:17,201
Speaker 4: You know who'd just say this.

670
00:32:17,481 --> 00:32:19,601
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just sees me keep falling out of the sky.

671
00:32:19,641 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: And by now, you know where you're seeing trees, We're

672
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:25,481
Speaker 5: getting close to the ground, and I'm still falling out

673
00:32:25,641 --> 00:32:29,601
Speaker 5: out of you away from him, you know, obviously conscious

674
00:32:29,641 --> 00:32:32,321
Speaker 5: but not in a state where I can save myself.

675
00:32:33,241 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: And then we have this other little device some very

676
00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:39,041
Speaker 5: smart people in the world. It's called an ad Yeah,

677
00:32:40,321 --> 00:32:42,681
Speaker 5: you wouldn't be here there for sure, mate, for sure.

678
00:32:42,921 --> 00:32:45,401
Speaker 5: Like I was going in they work, yeah, yeah, they

679
00:32:45,441 --> 00:32:49,361
Speaker 5: do yeah yeah. And I was very annoyed at myself

680
00:32:49,401 --> 00:32:52,161
Speaker 5: too after this, like I didn't save myself, you know,

681
00:32:52,281 --> 00:32:55,241
Speaker 5: like I I struggled with it for quite a while.

682
00:32:56,121 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 5: It's like I was going to die. I knew I

683
00:32:58,001 --> 00:33:00,921
Speaker 5: was going to die for a bit there too, and

684
00:33:00,961 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: I couldn't work out what to do. You know, I know,

685
00:33:02,921 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 5: I know I was unconscious, but I really struggle with

686
00:33:05,241 --> 00:33:08,041
Speaker 5: this for a bit. I was like, what a fucking idiot.

687
00:33:08,041 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 5: I couldn't save myself. You know, I'm over it now,

688
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:11,681
Speaker 5: but for a while there, I.

689
00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:13,281
Speaker 1: Was like, do you think just because the amount of

690
00:33:13,361 --> 00:33:16,121
Speaker 1: times you had, the skill level that you're at, and

691
00:33:16,241 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the constant reminding of the procedure of how to in

692
00:33:21,001 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: these sort of cases to get yourself out of it,

693
00:33:24,281 --> 00:33:26,121
Speaker 1: but you physically, do you think that that sort of

694
00:33:26,241 --> 00:33:27,081
Speaker 1: was maybe a little.

695
00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,361
Speaker 4: Bit more to why it puts so much effort?

696
00:33:29,441 --> 00:33:32,921
Speaker 5: And I was in what I put I said I

697
00:33:32,921 --> 00:33:34,921
Speaker 5: mentioned before, I put so much pressure on myself, you know,

698
00:33:35,001 --> 00:33:37,121
Speaker 5: I was fucking having me bell rung. I was just

699
00:33:37,161 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 5: being knocked out it, you know, like no wonder I

700
00:33:40,201 --> 00:33:42,681
Speaker 5: couldn't save myself. But I was very hard on myself

701
00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:44,681
Speaker 5: about it, you know, I was very down. And we

702
00:33:44,681 --> 00:33:47,881
Speaker 5: we it becomes second nature. We I practiced my emergency

703
00:33:47,881 --> 00:33:49,681
Speaker 5: prosiegures on the way up of the plane. We all do.

704
00:33:49,801 --> 00:33:52,801
Speaker 5: We do it multiple multiple times, just we constantly are

705
00:33:52,841 --> 00:33:55,921
Speaker 5: going through our procedures. And I was, yeah, I was

706
00:33:55,961 --> 00:33:59,161
Speaker 5: annoyed at myself that I didn't do it. But anyway,

707
00:33:59,161 --> 00:34:02,721
Speaker 5: this a device saves me meters from the ground. I

708
00:34:02,801 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: cannot be opened. I land undernea power lines. I should

709
00:34:06,721 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: have been dead. So many, so many different moments of

710
00:34:11,041 --> 00:34:13,321
Speaker 5: the accident should have killed me, Like the initial hit

711
00:34:13,681 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 5: should have killed me. You know. I could have landed

712
00:34:17,481 --> 00:34:19,561
Speaker 5: on the power lines. I could have landed on power lines.

713
00:34:19,561 --> 00:34:21,801
Speaker 5: I could have landed on the highway byron By there,

714
00:34:21,921 --> 00:34:24,921
Speaker 5: could have been impaled by so many things, and just

715
00:34:24,921 --> 00:34:27,081
Speaker 5: somehow I land on this one little tiny bit of

716
00:34:27,121 --> 00:34:30,401
Speaker 5: green grass. You know. It was this farmer's front yard,

717
00:34:30,641 --> 00:34:35,201
Speaker 5: like overgrown patch. It's nice beautiful, yeah, like well I

718
00:34:35,201 --> 00:34:40,241
Speaker 5: think you just mom it it's just beautiful, you know. Yeah,

719
00:34:40,281 --> 00:34:47,921
Speaker 5: And so it wasn't my time. And to really compound

720
00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:50,321
Speaker 5: this is that I had a base jumping accident literally

721
00:34:50,321 --> 00:34:52,801
Speaker 5: two months before this where I should have died as well,

722
00:34:52,801 --> 00:34:55,321
Speaker 5: like I should have gone and I hit. I hit

723
00:34:55,401 --> 00:34:57,921
Speaker 5: guidewise on a base charm I cannot be wrapped around

724
00:34:57,961 --> 00:35:00,841
Speaker 5: it and ripped all the lines and I literallyly fell

725
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,041
Speaker 5: straight down like I somehow stood up and was like

726
00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:06,361
Speaker 5: holy shit, like you know, how the hell do I survive?

727
00:35:06,441 --> 00:35:06,601
Speaker 4: That?

728
00:35:07,321 --> 00:35:10,601
Speaker 5: Miracle stuff just about And then this one two months

729
00:35:10,681 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 5: later as well, And this is where I think where

730
00:35:14,481 --> 00:35:18,161
Speaker 5: you wanted to go with everything is like the realization

731
00:35:18,281 --> 00:35:20,801
Speaker 5: I had out of this is that it wasn't like

732
00:35:20,841 --> 00:35:23,361
Speaker 5: an amen, I'm born again and all this, but it

733
00:35:23,481 --> 00:35:25,921
Speaker 5: was like why the fuck am I here? Like what

734
00:35:26,081 --> 00:35:28,081
Speaker 5: is important to me in life? Like why was I?

735
00:35:28,401 --> 00:35:32,241
Speaker 5: Why was I spared? You know, I'm no one special,

736
00:35:32,361 --> 00:35:35,001
Speaker 5: Like what have I? You know what? Why was I spared?

737
00:35:35,441 --> 00:35:38,041
Speaker 5: And really got me thinking of what was important to

738
00:35:38,081 --> 00:35:40,601
Speaker 5: me in life? You know, obviously family, living life to

739
00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:43,081
Speaker 5: the fullest and all that stuff, But this is where

740
00:35:43,121 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: I really realized what my purpose is and what makes

741
00:35:47,441 --> 00:35:51,161
Speaker 5: me happy and what what every human should be after

742
00:35:51,361 --> 00:35:54,281
Speaker 5: is helping each other out, being kind, and helping everyone else,

743
00:35:54,281 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 5: and that's where give and get comes from.

744
00:35:56,881 --> 00:36:00,281
Speaker 4: I love you, bro, I love you, I really do.

745
00:36:00,441 --> 00:36:03,081
Speaker 5: Man. I'm just just.

746
00:36:03,721 --> 00:36:05,841
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this big because I actually

747
00:36:05,881 --> 00:36:07,961
Speaker 1: think there'll be a tears shed if you're not human

748
00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:10,161
Speaker 1: and don't feel the connection of what you're saying and

749
00:36:10,161 --> 00:36:13,321
Speaker 1: then visually be able to see this like I'm tingling

750
00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:15,961
Speaker 1: just sitting here talking about and you've only just touched

751
00:36:16,001 --> 00:36:18,921
Speaker 1: on and I respectfully understand that because there is so

752
00:36:19,041 --> 00:36:20,721
Speaker 1: much more to be seen.

753
00:36:22,081 --> 00:36:25,041
Speaker 4: And we will savor that, but I just.

754
00:36:24,961 --> 00:36:27,961
Speaker 5: Wanted to clearly touch on that, like, yeah, just like

755
00:36:28,161 --> 00:36:31,961
Speaker 5: I'm a very small part of this film. Benny who

756
00:36:32,081 --> 00:36:35,001
Speaker 5: ran into me is the is the star. Yeah, he

757
00:36:35,201 --> 00:36:38,361
Speaker 5: is the man. You know, this guy made a mistake

758
00:36:38,801 --> 00:36:41,401
Speaker 5: that anyone can make, you know, humans making some mistakes.

759
00:36:41,761 --> 00:36:44,241
Speaker 5: But he's come out and he's openly admitted it to

760
00:36:44,321 --> 00:36:47,361
Speaker 5: the public. You know, it's you can imagine the things

761
00:36:47,401 --> 00:36:49,401
Speaker 5: going through his head, you know, embarrassment. He's one of

762
00:36:49,401 --> 00:36:52,241
Speaker 5: the world's best skydivers. He classed himself as a very

763
00:36:52,241 --> 00:36:54,881
Speaker 5: good skydiver and he was he is, you know, and

764
00:36:55,281 --> 00:36:58,601
Speaker 5: just made a mistake. And for a human, especially a man,

765
00:36:58,681 --> 00:37:01,201
Speaker 5: to come out and admit that and tell his side

766
00:37:01,201 --> 00:37:03,601
Speaker 5: of the story of it to help other people. Is

767
00:37:03,761 --> 00:37:07,801
Speaker 5: just I'm just the I'm just the guy. I've just

768
00:37:07,841 --> 00:37:09,121
Speaker 5: got a cool story out of it, you know, I

769
00:37:09,241 --> 00:37:09,881
Speaker 5: just got you.

770
00:37:09,841 --> 00:37:12,841
Speaker 4: Know, no means in Ireland.

771
00:37:12,881 --> 00:37:15,481
Speaker 5: As I always say, it takes.

772
00:37:15,081 --> 00:37:16,161
Speaker 1: Between the two of yous.

773
00:37:16,281 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

774
00:37:16,641 --> 00:37:18,681
Speaker 1: Like, and I hear what you're saying. Once again, that's

775
00:37:18,721 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: you just being humble in my eyes. But I think

776
00:37:22,481 --> 00:37:27,281
Speaker 1: a big shout out to Betty, because mate, wow, what

777
00:37:27,361 --> 00:37:30,401
Speaker 1: a beautiful human, what an amazing man. And I wanted

778
00:37:30,481 --> 00:37:33,041
Speaker 1: just to ask have you shared a jump together?

779
00:37:33,121 --> 00:37:35,521
Speaker 5: Since you must watch the documentary?

780
00:37:38,001 --> 00:37:38,841
Speaker 4: I get that one.

781
00:37:39,761 --> 00:37:44,961
Speaker 5: You wave the bells?

782
00:37:47,361 --> 00:37:49,521
Speaker 4: Oh mate, look, you know.

783
00:37:49,561 --> 00:37:51,481
Speaker 5: You have to watch the film. A lot that a

784
00:37:51,481 --> 00:37:52,161
Speaker 5: lot of that. Yeah.

785
00:37:52,281 --> 00:37:54,641
Speaker 1: Well listen, guys, if you're on the Gold Coast on

786
00:37:54,681 --> 00:37:57,521
Speaker 1: the fourteenth of December, come and join us at the

787
00:37:57,561 --> 00:38:00,641
Speaker 1: hotel on the Gold Coast mark tell us about the

788
00:38:00,681 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: details where they can find it.

789
00:38:02,761 --> 00:38:05,521
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you can get tickets off the hotel website.

790
00:38:05,561 --> 00:38:07,921
Speaker 5: If you just go on the HODE website search up Impact,

791
00:38:08,961 --> 00:38:12,961
Speaker 5: it will come up. But Impact doco dot com is

792
00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:15,281
Speaker 5: our website and you can buy tickets on there as well,

793
00:38:15,321 --> 00:38:17,721
Speaker 5: there's the trailer. There's a whole spell on there obviously

794
00:38:17,761 --> 00:38:20,121
Speaker 5: about who we are, what we are, what we're doing.

795
00:38:20,761 --> 00:38:23,521
Speaker 1: And just quickly, what are you doing now? What is

796
00:38:23,521 --> 00:38:25,401
Speaker 1: it that you want to achieve? Because that was the

797
00:38:25,441 --> 00:38:28,321
Speaker 1: other side of me wanting to be here with you today.

798
00:38:28,601 --> 00:38:31,241
Speaker 1: I'm a massive advocate for mental health, especially in the

799
00:38:31,281 --> 00:38:34,521
Speaker 1: men's mental health space, and of course across men and women.

800
00:38:34,521 --> 00:38:37,841
Speaker 1: But I have been actively involved in a lot over

801
00:38:37,881 --> 00:38:41,921
Speaker 1: the last twelve thirteen years physically, and I love it.

802
00:38:42,081 --> 00:38:44,801
Speaker 1: I love seeing people come out of the holes. I'm

803
00:38:44,841 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: a man that lives in some of those holes. It's

804
00:38:48,001 --> 00:38:48,481
Speaker 1: not easy.

805
00:38:48,561 --> 00:38:51,241
Speaker 5: We need holes, we need holes, and we need great

806
00:38:51,281 --> 00:38:51,961
Speaker 5: people to.

807
00:38:51,921 --> 00:38:54,481
Speaker 1: Be able to put their hand down and actually.

808
00:38:54,281 --> 00:38:55,081
Speaker 4: Pull you back up.

809
00:38:55,241 --> 00:38:59,161
Speaker 1: And you guys are really moving into a space where

810
00:38:59,281 --> 00:39:01,521
Speaker 1: that's what you want to try and achieve, is helping

811
00:39:01,761 --> 00:39:04,121
Speaker 1: kicking that person up. So can we just before we

812
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:06,521
Speaker 1: leave this beautiful conversation today, can we just.

813
00:39:06,521 --> 00:39:09,561
Speaker 5: Touch on Yeah, Well, that's I'm glad you said that, mate,

814
00:39:09,561 --> 00:39:12,441
Speaker 5: because that's what the film's not about. The accident. The

815
00:39:12,481 --> 00:39:14,881
Speaker 5: accident is. It's not about me. It's not about the accident.

816
00:39:14,841 --> 00:39:17,921
Speaker 5: It's about men's opening the conversation men's mental health. It's

817
00:39:17,921 --> 00:39:23,241
Speaker 5: about Benny, you know, going into a very dark place.

818
00:39:24,281 --> 00:39:27,161
Speaker 5: You know, the injury took years to overcome. It's been

819
00:39:27,201 --> 00:39:31,561
Speaker 5: four year. He's got a lifelong injury, you know, a

820
00:39:31,641 --> 00:39:34,961
Speaker 5: lifelong disability. It's not a critical disability, but he's got

821
00:39:35,241 --> 00:39:37,361
Speaker 5: disability out of it. But just him coming to grips

822
00:39:37,361 --> 00:39:42,961
Speaker 5: with changing his life's changed forever, you know. And he

823
00:39:43,001 --> 00:39:45,841
Speaker 5: speaks about men's mental health and about getting to that

824
00:39:45,961 --> 00:39:48,401
Speaker 5: dark place of wanting to end at all and how

825
00:39:48,441 --> 00:39:51,321
Speaker 5: to overcome that and how friendship resilience and you know,

826
00:39:51,521 --> 00:39:54,961
Speaker 5: our friendship helped him overcome that. And that's what it's

827
00:39:54,961 --> 00:39:58,841
Speaker 5: about starting that conversation and men's mental health because I

828
00:39:58,881 --> 00:40:01,561
Speaker 5: find that so important, Like I hit it for years

829
00:40:01,561 --> 00:40:04,321
Speaker 5: that I struggled, you know, and I felt that I

830
00:40:04,441 --> 00:40:06,681
Speaker 5: was weak if I I spoke about it, you know,

831
00:40:06,921 --> 00:40:11,121
Speaker 5: but that's so not true. You know, where life's fucking tough,

832
00:40:11,681 --> 00:40:14,041
Speaker 5: but we've also got a lot of tough people around

833
00:40:14,041 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: to help us get through it. And life is also

834
00:40:16,161 --> 00:40:17,921
Speaker 5: very fucking beautiful. And that's what we want to show

835
00:40:17,921 --> 00:40:20,721
Speaker 5: on this story is yeah, to times get tough, but

836
00:40:21,561 --> 00:40:23,281
Speaker 5: you know you'll see at the end of how beautiful

837
00:40:23,281 --> 00:40:24,001
Speaker 5: life really is.

838
00:40:25,361 --> 00:40:25,921
Speaker 4: I'm honored.

839
00:40:27,041 --> 00:40:31,521
Speaker 1: I'm feeling very elevated, and just being in your presence today, Lurch,

840
00:40:31,641 --> 00:40:34,681
Speaker 1: is a blessing. I thank you for making the effort

841
00:40:34,761 --> 00:40:37,441
Speaker 1: to come on the clink, and I truly hope that

842
00:40:37,561 --> 00:40:41,241
Speaker 1: everybody out there has really found something beautiful in Mark's story.

843
00:40:41,761 --> 00:40:44,001
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you just for our toolbox,

844
00:40:44,281 --> 00:40:46,281
Speaker 1: because you are the last of the season and you

845
00:40:46,281 --> 00:40:50,001
Speaker 1: did leave a valuable message in your story. I'd like

846
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:54,161
Speaker 1: one more valuable tool that you can leave for our listeners.

847
00:40:55,041 --> 00:40:58,361
Speaker 1: Being the last of the season. What is something that

848
00:40:58,441 --> 00:41:01,921
Speaker 1: you would suggest to somebody in life right now that

849
00:41:02,081 --> 00:41:06,241
Speaker 1: needs to just have to be able to follow that dream,

850
00:41:06,761 --> 00:41:10,801
Speaker 1: follow that passion, believe in themselves and not be feeling

851
00:41:10,881 --> 00:41:13,161
Speaker 1: like they're being a burden or held back.

852
00:41:13,161 --> 00:41:14,721
Speaker 4: What would you give them?

853
00:41:14,921 --> 00:41:18,201
Speaker 5: Mate? You said the word in there, believe in yourself.

854
00:41:20,001 --> 00:41:22,041
Speaker 5: I knew I was going to do well in life.

855
00:41:22,121 --> 00:41:23,561
Speaker 5: I knew something was gonna happen, but I thought I

856
00:41:23,561 --> 00:41:25,121
Speaker 5: was gonna lie. I thought I was gonna win lotto

857
00:41:25,321 --> 00:41:29,401
Speaker 5: or something like that. You know I'm destined, Yeah, I'm

858
00:41:29,441 --> 00:41:32,281
Speaker 5: destined to win lotto. You know the thing, we are

859
00:41:32,401 --> 00:41:36,921
Speaker 5: fucking lotto. We each individually. You are lotto. Believe in yourself,

860
00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:42,041
Speaker 5: push through those doubts, try everything you know. Fuck the

861
00:41:42,161 --> 00:41:45,761
Speaker 5: nay says you are the lotto, like we are all

862
00:41:46,001 --> 00:41:48,681
Speaker 5: so capable of more than we could ever imagine, you know,

863
00:41:48,841 --> 00:41:52,561
Speaker 5: and every individual person is so Just believe in yourself

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Speaker 5: and and you know, reach your potential because we're all

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Speaker 5: so amazing. You know it's there.

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Speaker 1: Has The shirt says, brother, be the best. You can

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Speaker 1: be better every day and it's something that I live

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Speaker 1: by and I am bet in my children and try

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Speaker 1: to share.

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Speaker 4: With those around me. Thank you so much, brother, There

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Speaker 4: you have it.

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Speaker 1: Guys are such a beautiful story, a powerful story, and

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Speaker 1: I just want to take a moment and wish everybody

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Speaker 1: are very safe and happy holiday season. Be careful out there,

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Speaker 1: make better choices, look after yourself, and whatever you do, enjoy,

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Speaker 1: but do.

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Speaker 4: It in moderation.

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Speaker 1: We're all we're all got rubber arms sometimes and.

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Speaker 4: We're not here to bullshit rifeer's life.

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Speaker 1: We understand, we get it, and we're not here to

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Speaker 1: judge either. But just be careful, be kind, be humble,

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Speaker 1: and be loving and stay blessed. And thank you everybody,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, thank you to all my guests. A

884
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Speaker 1: phenomenal season and I'm really looking forward to building the

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Speaker 1: next season and delivering another fantastic episode of the For.

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Speaker 2: The record, don't try and make you out comfortable for

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Speaker 2: the record. You try a world and stuff for your

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Speaker 2: for the record. Laugh on me going all the way

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Speaker 2: for the record. Ain't trying to link, No, trying to wait.

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Speaker 2: Stop all that for the record, for the record. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for the for the record, for the record, for the record,

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Speaker 2: for the record.

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