Speaker 1: I get a Champs, Welcome to Another and Storm on
Speaker 1: the show Tiffany and Cook Patrick James Bnillo on a
Speaker 1: fortnightly basis, we're all here and Patrick, can you just
Speaker 1: tell everybody what we were just talking about? And the
Speaker 1: new I didn't even know there was a higher tech
Speaker 1: version of Monopoly than the one I grew up with
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies, but apparently there's Monopoly with
Speaker 1: credit card now.
Speaker 2: It's probably twenty years old. It's not that high tech, right,
Speaker 2: So it's a variant on the Monopoly craze because you know,
Speaker 2: they started coming out with monopoly themes. So it will
Speaker 2: be no surprise to anybody that I have a doctor
Speaker 2: who Monopoly, a James Bond Monopoly, and the Simpsons Monopoly.
Speaker 2: And the Simpsons is my favorite monopoly because you have
Speaker 2: a credit card reader and instead of handing over cash,
Speaker 2: you put your credit card. So if I'm transferring money
Speaker 2: to Tiff, I would put my credit card on one
Speaker 2: side and her credit card on the other side, picturing
Speaker 2: Homer Simpson, and then the money would just go off
Speaker 2: my card and on the tips card. And it's a
Speaker 2: lot more it's a lot more fun to play and
Speaker 2: you're not, you know, exchanging cash and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. But it really is a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: But it brings out the best. No, it doesn't bring
Speaker 2: out the best. It brings out to the actual worst
Speaker 2: in people. I think I can't find it. I can't
Speaker 2: find any positive things that happened out of Monopoly because scheming, conniving,
Speaker 2: double dealing, you know, the whole lot, It just all comes.
Speaker 2: What was your family, I mean, I guess, did you
Speaker 2: play with mum and dad Craig?
Speaker 1: I did? I did, And we were talking before we
Speaker 1: started recording. I think Tiff used to be the boot.
Speaker 1: I was the car a fair bit. But just tell
Speaker 1: everyone about the sound effects that come with the simple well.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, So if I'm transferring money to Tiff and
Speaker 2: I've lost, you know, a bit of money, then Homer Simpson,
Speaker 2: once it takes the money off my card, he does
Speaker 2: this doll and then when it goes into TIFF's card,
Speaker 2: it goes whoo. So it is a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And I was ship. I was always the ship. That
Speaker 2: was my fun playing Monopoly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon if us three played, it probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: end well. I think someone's mum would have to come
Speaker 1: in and just take over, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my big brother and he used to win at
Speaker 2: Monopoly all the time. Coincidentally, he was the banker all
Speaker 2: the time, being six years older. And when I was
Speaker 2: in Canada many years later, he lives in Canada now
Speaker 2: and I went and visited him as an adult. We
Speaker 2: talked about playing games as kids, and it's like, how
Speaker 2: come you always won at Monopoly? He said, because I cheated.
Speaker 3: High childhood, he cheated and he would get He had
Speaker 3: this thing called a death street, So if you had
Speaker 3: all the properties on one row, he called it his
Speaker 3: death street.
Speaker 2: You're approaching my death street, And yeah, he just cheated
Speaker 2: for the entire time.
Speaker 1: Well isn't it funny when you think about the simplicity
Speaker 1: of the games that we played when we were kids,
Speaker 1: I mean even pre pre tech, you know, and you
Speaker 1: look back and you're like, how the fuck was I
Speaker 1: interested in that? And how did that? But it was
Speaker 1: at the time, it was like snakes and ladders? What
Speaker 1: a stupid game? What a stupid game. I was enamored
Speaker 1: for hours. It's like, oh, look at me, or what
Speaker 1: about in the same ballpark, not a game but a
Speaker 1: thing that kids played with do you remember the most
Speaker 1: joyful and painful toy of all time? Click clacks?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, they used to click claques, so you just
Speaker 2: slapped them and they clacked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but remember they had like they were made of
Speaker 1: like a hard marble stuff.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't they were wooden with it?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no, no no, no, you're no.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about balls on the end of like string. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you remember those? It's just about choke to death?
Speaker 1: I do, but yes, if not testicles if like like
Speaker 1: like a child's toy we're talking about, except they were dangerous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with these clicks. There's eight people out like, can you
Speaker 1: talk for a minute? Two, I'm going to look up
Speaker 1: click clacks.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: I want to share my most vivid Monopoly memory. Oh,
Speaker 4: the only one I can recall My brother, he's seven
Speaker 4: years older, and I remember a day when we lived
Speaker 4: in this particular house and he said, do you want
Speaker 4: to play Monopoly? And I just loved my brother. I
Speaker 4: idolized him, and he had his girlfriend staying over, so
Speaker 4: I was like yes, and so he goes, all right,
Speaker 4: we'll come and set it up and we'll play it.
Speaker 4: And he made me set up the monopoly board, and
Speaker 4: then he locked me out of his room and he
Speaker 4: played it with his girlfriend and I sat banged on
Speaker 4: the door and cried and cried and can't I still
Speaker 4: feel the heartbreak in my heart?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's terrible when you're twenty.
Speaker 1: I want you to go right now to go into Google.
Speaker 1: Go into doctor Goog's click click clacks original. Oh they're
Speaker 1: both doing now, Patrick, you can't do it as well.
Speaker 1: You have to talk to me, so yeah.
Speaker 2: That's right, there's someone has to talking to yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were banned because kids were breaking their wrists.
Speaker 2: They're made of glass or a really rigid plastic. Don't
Speaker 2: that looks awful? That looks so coorous?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and those things were see now you understand you.
Speaker 2: Know what else was dangerous?
Speaker 5: What did you do with click clacks?
Speaker 1: Okay? So Ti, if you went like this, so you
Speaker 1: just shake and the balls would go around, click on
Speaker 1: top and back together. Go into the video like is
Speaker 1: they're not a video?
Speaker 4: There? Oh?
Speaker 1: This is absolutely a terrible listening, worst podcast. Can you
Speaker 1: stop doing what I'm telling Tiff to do? Can you
Speaker 1: stay in the conversation?
Speaker 2: Can you Okay, so tell me click clacks? Look at
Speaker 2: my T shirt. What am I wearing?
Speaker 1: Well, you look like you're wearing a spaceman in space
Speaker 1: with one thousand balloons holding him up.
Speaker 2: And the balloons are in the shape of planets, but
Speaker 2: they look a little bit like click clags, So I
Speaker 2: was getting at.
Speaker 1: Also terrible for an audio only experience. You do better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my favorite T shirt. It's just an astronaut
Speaker 2: flying in space being held up by balloons that look
Speaker 2: like their planets.
Speaker 1: What about all the ham strings we'll get off games
Speaker 1: in a moment. TIF Have you found it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck that. What about all the hamstrings and quads and
Speaker 1: lower backs that were fucked playing Twister mainly by adults
Speaker 1: back in the day.
Speaker 2: More than likely. I was thinking, as you were talking
Speaker 2: about snakes and ladders, how cool would it be to
Speaker 2: have a Twister sized snakes and ladders that you could
Speaker 2: walk along. That would be fun, And then when you
Speaker 2: get to the snake, you've got to run all the
Speaker 2: way down to the bottom of the board. That could
Speaker 2: be fun and dangerous.
Speaker 1: Well, also good for fit. Well, there's life size, like
Speaker 1: grown up sized chessboards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really fast, We've got one in the land. We've
Speaker 2: got one in the street outside our mechanics hall. They
Speaker 2: have chicken. Yeah, I've played it a few times. It's
Speaker 2: really fun. Was that checkers or chess? It is chess,
Speaker 2: I can I can confidently say the last game I
Speaker 2: played of chess I won.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you I've never played a game of chess? Like?
Speaker 1: We never had it. It just wasn't in our orbit
Speaker 1: growing up. Tiff, can you play chess? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I played it with my police to play with my grandfather.
Speaker 2: That's scrimmage. It's nice with cribbage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I couldn't remember how to play that now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: I used to cribbage play like. It's like on a
Speaker 1: timber board with all these little holes in it, and
Speaker 1: you put matches in that tiff day, Yeah, and you play, yeah,
Speaker 1: and when you win, you move your matches further along
Speaker 1: the board. And my old man used to apply forgot
Speaker 1: about that. Me and Ron used to play fucking hell.
Speaker 1: That was the That was how Ron and I bonded.
Speaker 1: I might have to take up I'm thinking of going
Speaker 1: up there today. He's fucking eyes all light up like
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree. That'd be great crib board.
Speaker 5: That would pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't played since I don't know, probably have
Speaker 1: played forty five years. I'm sure he remembers how Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he gets a little bit obsessed with the Telly,
Speaker 1: so trying to get his attention these days as a challenge.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so can I just round off the whole
Speaker 2: The Simpsons Monopoly so still set up on my dining
Speaker 2: room table because me and the fifteen year old. So
Speaker 2: the parents have gone out of the game because well,
Speaker 2: his mum just packed up and said, look, I'm not
Speaker 2: getting any houses. I'm going to give up now. But
Speaker 2: I talked to him to staying and playing for a
Speaker 2: bit longer, but trained for my own benefit. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: ended up getting a house at the one house she
Speaker 2: had so I could form a set. But it brings
Speaker 2: the worst stouted people. And now Chris and I are
Speaker 2: looking daggers at each other across the table. It's all
Speaker 2: set up ready to play once I finished the podcast,
Speaker 2: and it's going to end in tears.
Speaker 1: You just now it's going to end into you.
Speaker 2: It's it is fun.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bring out the worst in everyone, So just
Speaker 1: maybe there are nice people out there. The three of
Speaker 1: us played, it would be a fucking disaster. It could
Speaker 1: be the beginning of the end. Whatever happened to those
Speaker 1: podcasts that Patrick and Tiff and craigily.
Speaker 2: But someone was recounting a story last night about it.
Speaker 2: A couple they knew were a sister and brother were
Speaker 2: playing a game and because it went pear shape, they
Speaker 2: hadn't spoken to each other for twelve years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't It's like, yeah, it's it's funny, like
Speaker 1: I get jealous of people who have brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: Not jealous, but I've always you know, it's like you
Speaker 1: don't know, like you don't because I've never had one.
Speaker 1: It's not like I had a brother or sister and
Speaker 1: lost them.
Speaker 2: I wish I could have a brother or sister so
Speaker 2: I could be estranged too. No.
Speaker 1: I just like when someone's got a brother and they
Speaker 1: don't talk to their brother, I'm like, why the fuck?
Speaker 1: I would love a brother, Yeah, love a sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I occasionally played many.
Speaker 1: The idea is better than the reality. Huh.
Speaker 2: Well, look the dynamics of you know, interactions with people.
Speaker 2: You know, I think about my I've got three brothers,
Speaker 2: and my youngest brother's disabled, so I had him up
Speaker 2: last week. I was really cute actually, because I've told
Speaker 2: you about my brother before, but his care and I
Speaker 2: arranged to meet up and not tell him that he
Speaker 2: was coming to my place on the train. And then
Speaker 2: I got into a hotel called the Wallace Hotel, which
Speaker 2: is just down the road from us, and they have
Speaker 2: a tram, one of those old green trams in their
Speaker 2: garden space, and so he got to hang out and
Speaker 2: have lunch and we hung out on the tram. He
Speaker 2: was very excited.
Speaker 1: How excited was he when he saw you? Straight up?
Speaker 2: He was, yeah. He got off. I mean because she
Speaker 2: kept saying to him, I know we're not seeing Patrick,
Speaker 2: keep saying we're going to Patrick's. Are we going to Patrick's?
Speaker 2: Were on the Bellerrat train that's on the way to
Speaker 2: Patrick's place. No, No, we're meeting up with a friend.
Speaker 2: And then when he got off the train, he was
Speaker 2: pretty excited. And I had Fritz with me as well,
Speaker 2: so he's he's a bit scared of dogs, but he
Speaker 2: always says to me, oh, I like cats. When he
Speaker 2: sees Fritz always sits next to him, because it doesn't
Speaker 2: say he doesn't like dogs. He says, I like cats.
Speaker 1: And now we know now he knows that his care
Speaker 1: is a liar. Yeah, and he cannot trust her.
Speaker 2: Patrick, you know what you can't trust Crago?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Android phones? No, I'm kidding, you can trust Android. I
Speaker 2: was trying to do a segue to actually talk about technology.
Speaker 1: Why can't we trust Android?
Speaker 2: No, we can trust Android phones. But they turn themselves
Speaker 2: off now after three days if you haven't turned them
Speaker 2: off automatically.
Speaker 1: Is that a good thing? Well, that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Actually is a good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's well, this rolled out with Apple phones last
Speaker 2: year where if you just leave them in and don't
Speaker 2: actually shut them down, because it's a number of implications
Speaker 2: with phones. So if you want to apply a security
Speaker 2: patch or an update, you actually have to do a
Speaker 2: full reboot for them to apply that update, so whether
Speaker 2: it's a security updates. So that's one good reason. And
Speaker 2: in fact, I think last year Anthony Albaneze he came
Speaker 2: out and said everybody needs to turn their phones off regularly,
Speaker 2: like once a week. It was an interesting it was
Speaker 2: related to security. But the other thing too is that
Speaker 2: if your phone is unlocked, certain data is still available
Speaker 2: because when you do a full shut down before you
Speaker 2: put your pin code in, all the data is locked down,
Speaker 2: but as soon as you open up your phone, it
Speaker 2: actually makes it more vulnerable. So that's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons that Google is saying, we'll look do a full
Speaker 2: restart of your phone, to the point where they're now
Speaker 2: forcing their users to do a full restart of their
Speaker 2: phone if they haven't done so in the last three days.
Speaker 1: I always get scared at one come back on when
Speaker 1: I turn it right off.
Speaker 2: Or really, you do back up your phone? They don't
Speaker 2: you do you have a cloud on? He's gone blank?
Speaker 2: Have you got that means?
Speaker 1: No? I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: No, but you you back up? I mean you have
Speaker 2: some sort of back look if someone would have done
Speaker 2: it for you, I'm sure I don't know. Well, let
Speaker 2: me just suggest that perhaps you look at your backup
Speaker 2: settings on your phone and make sure it does back up.
Speaker 2: That wave your phone doesn't come back on, you can
Speaker 2: get a new phone, put your details in, and then
Speaker 2: all your data will magically come down off the cloud.
Speaker 1: Like what That sounds like a good idea. Maybe I
Speaker 1: should start doing that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure you do. I'm sure one of your
Speaker 2: able assistants has done that for you.
Speaker 1: I'm sure are you seem nervous.
Speaker 2: I am a little bit nervous because I worry for you.
Speaker 2: I'd just like to know that you've got everything ready
Speaker 2: and backed up in the cloud. I can do that
Speaker 2: with you. I can talk you through it after the podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, maybe maybe tell us about Google and dolphins.
Speaker 2: Oh see, this is so cool. Researchers who work in
Speaker 2: the area of dolphin talk and dolphins speak. I mean
Speaker 2: that is kind of a research area. What what they've
Speaker 2: been doing is working with Google because this has been
Speaker 2: going on for more than forty years, so research is
Speaker 2: in the field of dolphin and monitoring dolphins. Have been
Speaker 2: recording the noises that dolphin dolphins make. Now there's squeaking sounds.
Speaker 2: I don't even think the noise that Flipper made was
Speaker 2: actually a real dolphin. I think it was Anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: digressing somewhat. But what's been happening is they've now been
Speaker 2: using AI models to interpret the noises and use the
Speaker 2: data to try to predict what the next sound might
Speaker 2: be that the dolphin makes based on all those forty
Speaker 2: years of recordings. And the reason they're using pixel phones
Speaker 2: is because and currently they're using pixels sixers and they're
Speaker 2: about top grade to pixel nines. But the reason they're
Speaker 2: using them is, well, they're cheap in terms of equipment.
Speaker 2: They're not really expensive. But you can use a recorder
Speaker 2: on a phone now, and because AI can clean up
Speaker 2: that data so easily or that audio, you don't need
Speaker 2: to have high quality equipment. You can just use a
Speaker 2: mobile phone. And what they're hoping is that they can
Speaker 2: get to a point that they can see patterns and
Speaker 2: at some point be able to then play those noises
Speaker 2: back to the dolphins in a way of a rudimentary
Speaker 2: communication with them, which is pretty exciting stuff. And I
Speaker 2: think that's where AI has come to the fore. It's
Speaker 2: put a lot of really interesting number crunching and interpretive
Speaker 2: data into the mix, so that you can take really
Speaker 2: a really broad set of figures or numbers or data,
Speaker 2: in this case, recordings of dolphins over forty years to
Speaker 2: establish those sorts of patterns that really it's very hard
Speaker 2: for human beings to do. But when you've got a
Speaker 2: language model that can interpret that using AI, and then
Speaker 2: having devices that we have on our you know, we
Speaker 2: carry around with this. We're carrying around basically supercomputers connected
Speaker 2: to the largest database in the history of the planet,
Speaker 2: so you know, think about what we can do with
Speaker 2: our phones, and then now they're using it to hopefully
Speaker 2: communicate with dolphins. At some point.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I was pursuant to this, because I'm going to
Speaker 1: extrapolate off this. I was talking to this lady who
Speaker 1: makes my coffee quite often at the cafe. Her name's Keano.
Speaker 1: She's Japanese and English is her second language, and she's great,
Speaker 1: but she struggles with some things, and so you've got
Speaker 1: to talk slowly, and she was asking me some questions.
Speaker 1: I was explaining to her the idea of metacognition and
Speaker 1: a few other things like thinking about thinking and all
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and I went and so I just
Speaker 1: went into chat GPT and said, is what is metacognition?
Speaker 1: What is theory of mind? And it spews out this answer,
Speaker 1: and I said, now translate that into Japanese, and then
Speaker 1: I gave her my phone and she's like, ah, like
Speaker 1: so straight away, here's a Japanese explanation of these things
Speaker 1: that we were talking about. But I couldn't really clearly
Speaker 1: explain to you, and now here it is in your language.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure if I had said you know, give
Speaker 1: me the reply verbally in Japanes I should have thought
Speaker 1: of that. But imagine if you can say to your
Speaker 1: phone or chat gp TE, tell this dolphin, I want
Speaker 1: to play ball with it. How good would that be?
Speaker 2: I was just thinking how cool it was that you
Speaker 2: didn't have to give her a fish or wet her down.
Speaker 2: So that was one benefit of being in a cafe
Speaker 2: without a dolphin.
Speaker 1: What what tis got? It didn't it? I kind of
Speaker 1: think that's offensive. I'm not sure spoken and authorized by Patrick.
Speaker 2: Because if you're talking to a dolphin and they're out
Speaker 2: of the water kind of talking to you, then you've
Speaker 2: got to wet them down and feed them fish. But
Speaker 2: you don't have to do that with people in cafes.
Speaker 1: Again, I don't agree with that comment at all everyone,
Speaker 1: especially to that lovely lady who made my coffee. I
Speaker 1: think Patrick, you'll get all these contact details at the
Speaker 1: end of the show when we.
Speaker 2: Talk about getting contact details, because that's a really good
Speaker 2: segue into a kind of a scary little bit of
Speaker 2: research that's being done at the moment into how people
Speaker 2: are using AI to do reverse image searches. So when
Speaker 2: we take a photograph on a digital device, these days
Speaker 2: with phones, it's pretty amazing because you can store a
Speaker 2: lot of data about the device you took it on,
Speaker 2: the time you took it on, but also the geographical location,
Speaker 2: which can be really useful. So we recently did a
Speaker 2: tree walk in the town that I live in, and
Speaker 2: we looked at it's called a historic tree walk, and
Speaker 2: we looked at twenty nine. We had an arborist come
Speaker 2: out looked at twenty nine trees of significance, and there
Speaker 2: was trees of significance for lots of reasons. They might
Speaker 2: have been the type of tree it was, it was
Speaker 2: a rare tree, or it might have been planted at
Speaker 2: the primary school because it was in remembrance of a
Speaker 2: person who was a teacher at the school that died
Speaker 2: during the First World War. So we're talking some really
Speaker 2: interesting stories. And then what we did was I took photographs,
Speaker 2: We did the tree walk, I took photos, and then
Speaker 2: we put it all online. We create a QR code
Speaker 2: so people can do the walk. But to get those locations,
Speaker 2: as you can imagine, I don't really know a lot
Speaker 2: about trees, I can come out and admit and so
Speaker 2: I did the walk and it's like where the hell
Speaker 2: was I when I took that photo. I went back
Speaker 2: into the what we call the metadata of that photo,
Speaker 2: and I was able to just pinpoint exactly where that
Speaker 2: tree was on Google Maps, so then I could add
Speaker 2: it to a digital walk around our town. So that's handy.
Speaker 2: But there's more than just metadata. What people are doubt
Speaker 2: now doing is they're using Instagram posts. They're using a
Speaker 2: photograph of you sitting at a cafe talking to the
Speaker 2: person about dolphins. And the AI model is able to
Speaker 2: not just look at the metadata, but it looks at
Speaker 2: where you were, what's in the background, even if it's
Speaker 2: blurry and it maybe a tram was going past. It's
Speaker 2: now able to and this is this concerning thing, is
Speaker 2: that they can work out where you were and the
Speaker 2: location specific just by a single photograph without needing the metadata.
Speaker 2: And so it's opening up the concerns about privacy because
Speaker 2: suddenly you know you could be doxed. You know, that's
Speaker 2: something that's a real thing where someone could say this
Speaker 2: is where Craig is every Thursday morning at five o'clock,
Speaker 2: and they could give an exact location and a time
Speaker 2: if that you were posting at a regular location. So
Speaker 2: it opens up some concerns for what people are posting
Speaker 2: online and what that could reveal about you just by
Speaker 2: putting it an innocent photograph online.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I've been I've been listening to a book
Speaker 1: series called The Gray Man. Have you heard of that, Patrick, No,
Speaker 1: I haven't. Yeah. So it's basically about spies and good
Speaker 1: and bad guys, all that bullshit that I love. I
Speaker 1: love I love escapism. Right every I me either listening
Speaker 1: to something that I need to, like a research thing
Speaker 1: or a silly podcast or that. But lately I've just
Speaker 1: been getting when I do my million walks that I've
Speaker 1: just been listening to that. But like even with this,
Speaker 1: it's they're really well researched. And I think about all
Speaker 1: the espionage and all that, all the stuff you're talking
Speaker 1: about where people can you know, geolocate people and people
Speaker 1: can find out all of this, like all the stuff
Speaker 1: that happens, you know, in the world of spies, which
Speaker 1: are very real, by the way. That's that shit's incredible.
Speaker 1: And right now, like you said, like the tech that
Speaker 1: we I can't use it, you can use it, But
Speaker 1: the tech that we have access to now is it
Speaker 1: makes the world a very small place. And like if
Speaker 1: you are worried about your security, like your personal security,
Speaker 1: if you're a high profile person or something, you'd be
Speaker 1: a bit nervous.
Speaker 2: It is something to think about, I guess for all
Speaker 2: of us when we use social media, if we do,
Speaker 2: I think you need to think about ramifications of just
Speaker 2: simply posting a photo. You know, what are you sharing
Speaker 2: out there? And it could be your kids, it could
Speaker 2: be your friends, but it is something. It's that extra
Speaker 2: layer of I guess complexity to our lives that we
Speaker 2: really didn't need. It's to oh, man, I just posted
Speaker 2: a photo or you know, friends just took a photo
Speaker 2: of all of us at a function, and it does
Speaker 2: open up the kind of the rabbit hole of where
Speaker 2: we are going with the abilities that AI are bringing
Speaker 2: to the table things we've never been able to do before.
Speaker 2: So things as wonderful as being able to communicate with
Speaker 2: dolphins or talk to someone that you're conversing with in
Speaker 2: their own language, which is amazing. It's wonderful. You know,
Speaker 2: I was traveling through China and I downloaded the language
Speaker 2: pack for you know, simple Chinese, and so I could
Speaker 2: just real time point my phone at a Chinese menu
Speaker 2: and it would convert it into English as I scanned
Speaker 2: my phone across the page. You know, that's how I survived,
Speaker 2: eating food and going to restaurants and you know, scanning
Speaker 2: signs and moving around, and that's phenomenal. It's all the
Speaker 2: great positive things about AI and this sort of technology
Speaker 2: that's giving so much power to us, but it's, like anything,
Speaker 2: there's also a negative side to it.
Speaker 1: Well, another thing that's in the media a lot at
Speaker 1: the moment is d Trump's tariffs that are being rolled
Speaker 1: out like a bloody bowling ball in an alley at
Speaker 1: a rapid rate, and there are there are a few
Speaker 1: things happening around that.
Speaker 2: Look, I had to have a bit of a chuckle
Speaker 2: because it's now because I think he's put a temporary
Speaker 2: like he suspended the tariffs on some electronic devices like phones.
Speaker 2: But Apple did a bit of a panic, you know,
Speaker 2: because Trump kind of announced this and it was going
Speaker 2: to happen like the next day and lunchtime, it's going
Speaker 2: to like it's going to happen any second now. So
Speaker 2: Apple then quickly shipped six hundred tons of iPhones from
Speaker 2: India to try to beat the tariffs. So they kind
Speaker 2: of fast tracked gettings. That's six hundred tons. That's so
Speaker 2: many phones. We should type that in and work out
Speaker 2: what that actually because I don't know what an iPhone weighs,
Speaker 2: but that's just blows my mind. Six hundred tons of
Speaker 2: iPhones were rapidly shipped to the US to try to
Speaker 2: beat the tariffs, and you know that to me is
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously people were panicking. And it wasn't just
Speaker 2: Apple that did that. There were some other companies that
Speaker 2: were shipping trying to get things into the US before
Speaker 2: the tariffs kicked in so that they wouldn't be stuck,
Speaker 2: you know, with the larger amounts. Although I think that
Speaker 2: when you think about it, you know, even if there
Speaker 2: because China has the tariffs tariffs of over one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: doesn't it I think that was I don't know.
Speaker 1: Think hotly up to it at the moment. By the way,
Speaker 1: iPhone what.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, I don't keep up with the
Speaker 2: iPhones is.
Speaker 1: An iPhone item. I'm doing some rudimentary maths.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, see you're trying to Yeah, because I think
Speaker 2: it depends on the model as well, though not just
Speaker 2: you know, because.
Speaker 1: They have different We're going to ballpark. We can't yep.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to work it out, aren't you? Six
Speaker 2: hundred times?
Speaker 1: Well, if I know what one ways, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what if our bloody secretary over there, if she could,
Speaker 1: if she could.
Speaker 5: Get her sixteen I do believe, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, how much does an iPhone sixteen? Way? Please?
Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook?
Speaker 2: This is riveting stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, tiff you could cut this out about
Speaker 1: three million, three million, five hundred and twenty nine thousand. Okay,
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like that many, it doesn't, did you reckon?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Three point three point five to three million? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess all right, Well, nobody needed to know that.
Speaker 1: Nobody needed to know that, and everybody's just wants to
Speaker 1: fifty seconds of their life with me doing that. I apologize.
Speaker 2: You know what I really like is that co pilot.
Speaker 2: When I typed it in, it came up with between
Speaker 2: two point sixty five to four point twenty nine million,
Speaker 2: But it actually gave you the calculations as well, So
Speaker 2: I told yeah, it's so amazing, isn't it. I find
Speaker 2: that little process interesting because you know, when you had
Speaker 2: to do maths tests at school. It wasn't about getting
Speaker 2: the answer. It was actually about getting the formula and
Speaker 2: showing that you knew the formulaic approach, so you could
Speaker 2: even get points for getting the wrong answer if you
Speaker 2: demonstrated that you followed the right principles across I always.
Speaker 2: I actually found that simultar solving simultaneous equations was my
Speaker 2: famous favorite math thing. Wow, No one needed to know that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah again another fifty seconds And in Parabolis they were funny.
Speaker 1: Do you want do you want to waste fifty seconds?
Speaker 1: Now your turn? You want to do you want to
Speaker 1: crush everybody's spirit for fifty seconds? Do you want to
Speaker 1: suck the life out of their day? If you can
Speaker 1: share something as boring as Patrick and I just did, ready,
Speaker 1: fucking hell, we're on a podcast. Patrick's telling us about
Speaker 1: how how good he was at maths. Come on, son,
Speaker 1: do better lift your game? Tech bloke.
Speaker 2: Hatif you know straight to the straight to the source. No,
Speaker 2: you'll know by the reasoning once I get this out,
Speaker 2: if you let me know. Tip Une Trees a robotics
Speaker 2: company and they're about to do the first robot on
Speaker 2: robot boxing match. I thought you'd like this. It's so amazing.
Speaker 2: This is going to happen soon. We're talking sometime in
Speaker 2: the next month. Is the Uni Tree company has got
Speaker 2: two boxing robots. You know what. I'll send you the
Speaker 2: link to it. You should look it up. Just look
Speaker 2: up you need Tree boxing robots. Because the first video
Speaker 2: they revealed was a person in a ring boxing against
Speaker 2: the robot, and what the robot looked pretty lame. It
Speaker 2: was small and it was kind of boxing. But what
Speaker 2: what made me really excited was watching the robot get
Speaker 2: back up when it got knocked down. That's what I
Speaker 2: thought was really cool was seeing how agile the robot
Speaker 2: was and how it was able to get back on
Speaker 2: its feet. It really, you know, with all the that's
Speaker 2: what really staggers me about the way the robotics is
Speaker 2: working now. It's you know, being either being on an
Speaker 2: unfirm infirm's surface on and Crago and I are going
Speaker 2: to have a chat shortly about another sort of robot
Speaker 2: that we're both going to buy and we're both going
Speaker 2: to ride and we're both going to go away and
Speaker 2: an adventure holiday with But but in the meantime, TIF
Speaker 2: boxing robots, what's your take on that one.
Speaker 5: I don't know about that.
Speaker 4: I'm very sure would not.
Speaker 1: You would not want to get punched by one, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Imagine if that like connected. Yeah, speaking of
Speaker 1: robots fighting, yeah, robot was the that's awesome. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah that was like the genesis of bloody stand
Speaker 1: up robot boxing.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, very much so. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I reckon i'd like you, cragi,
Speaker 2: I'd be concerned about getting in the ring with a robot,
Speaker 2: But I think robots boxing our robot war was I
Speaker 2: think that would be kind of cool to watch. I
Speaker 2: actually think I prefer to watch a robot get hit
Speaker 2: than a person. I don't know. I couldn't watch you box, Tiff.
Speaker 2: I would be too upset watching you box. Now you
Speaker 2: get over that pretty quick. I don't reckon I could.
Speaker 5: I used to be like that.
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, I know, I think that would be really upsetting.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not really big into watching boxing, but
Speaker 2: to see a friend get, you know, in a boxing ring,
Speaker 2: I don't know. As long as you beat the shit
Speaker 2: out of the other person, I think I'd be okay.
Speaker 2: I just don't want to see you take a punch.
Speaker 1: You'd love to see me get punched in the face. THO,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you? Exactly exactly. It's like, oh, actually that does
Speaker 1: sound good.
Speaker 2: I maybe you could get a car of gloves for
Speaker 2: Gregg and no, which you have a spar together? Have you?
Speaker 2: Have you ever taken him in the ring?
Speaker 5: No? I haven't. Maybe it's time hearts.
Speaker 1: Definitely not. I only fight in car parks. I don't
Speaker 1: fight in boxing ring.
Speaker 5: Matthew stopping around.
Speaker 1: Car parks outside pubs, that's my forte. No.
Speaker 2: During the week, we had a bit of a text
Speaker 2: discussion and we video clipped to each other. Can you
Speaker 2: tell everybody about Kawasaki's cor leo, because.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't have it in front of me, but
Speaker 1: I did see it before you sent it and no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's yes. So Kawasaki built what looks like a rideable Kawasaki,
Speaker 1: of course, being a motorcycle brand, a rideable robotic horse
Speaker 1: slash dog wolf.
Speaker 2: I think a big wolf.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like, okay, there you go. Well
Speaker 1: it's got I mean, it doesn't have wheels, it has
Speaker 1: legs and it runs allegedly and yeah, I was look,
Speaker 1: they do look amazing. But I was thinking a dirt
Speaker 1: bike can go anywhere, that can go anyway, and probably
Speaker 1: much safer. But they do look ridiculously cool. And I
Speaker 1: could see you and me just traversing the bloody outer
Speaker 1: reaches of Victoria through the alpine, bloody out back. I
Speaker 1: don't know, though, Well, there's two things about it amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing that caught my eye was that it's
Speaker 2: hydrogen powered, which means there's no toxic fumes. They're very quiet,
Speaker 2: but because they because they've got legs rather than wheels,
Speaker 2: they looked amazingly agile, and they have an ability to
Speaker 2: keep the rider in position. So even when they were
Speaker 2: on an angle, did you notice the rider seemed to
Speaker 2: be sitting quite comfortably, so less chance of falling off.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was amazing. My heart went into
Speaker 2: my mouth a little bit when it got close to
Speaker 2: the edge of the cliff. I just thought, you don't
Speaker 2: hit that joystick forward. Whatever you do, don't joy to
Speaker 2: stick forward. And I think the other thing about it,
Speaker 2: which was really cool is you didn't actually have a
Speaker 2: handlebars as such. You just leaned in the direction. So
Speaker 2: the idea is that it will start to move whichever
Speaker 2: direction you lean in, so I could feel that it'd
Speaker 2: be a really interesting symmetry between the person writing where
Speaker 2: you would feel like it's much Do you ever see
Speaker 2: the segways those the two wheels by lean forward? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's something about that sort of control where
Speaker 2: you move in the direction you want to go that
Speaker 2: I think after a time it would almost feel like
Speaker 2: it's a part of you. That would be quite interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've actually built, which does not interest well, it
Speaker 1: interests me just from a technology point of view, but
Speaker 1: the last thing I would want to own they've actually built.
Speaker 1: And this sounds ridiculous. You know, we've got self driving cars,
Speaker 1: so they've got self They call them self driving, but
Speaker 1: it's not driving, it's riding. I hate it when people say,
Speaker 1: I'm dry, Oh did you drive your motorbike? Here I go,
Speaker 1: you don't fucking drive a motorbike. But anyway, I just, hey,
Speaker 1: everyone in the whole world, you don't drive motorbikes, just
Speaker 1: so you all know, now you fucking ride them. They've
Speaker 1: got two wheels anyway, so they've got a self riding motorbike. Patrick,
Speaker 1: does that annoy you tip when people do that or
Speaker 1: you don't notice it?
Speaker 5: I think I did it to you once, I think.
Speaker 2: And I did it deliberately because I know how much
Speaker 2: it annoys you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, it's not a car anyway, No, Patrick,
Speaker 1: They've got self driving nudge nudge, wink wink. Motorbikes which
Speaker 1: you just sit on. That would scare the shit out
Speaker 1: of me.
Speaker 2: I don't know, sitting on the back of your bike
Speaker 2: going fast through traffic scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 1: You fucking loved having your crutch up against my back
Speaker 1: and your arms around my big fucking chest. You loved it.
Speaker 1: And you're just breathing down my neck like a fucking creep.
Speaker 2: You loved every so scared I was going to.
Speaker 1: Love you would keep going, keep going. I'm like, but
Speaker 1: we're home. It's like, go further, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to stop. I don't want to get off. Yeah, pouch,
Speaker 1: I'm like, and you're doing the same things. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're not moving, you don't need to hold on.
Speaker 2: I have paraglided fifty one times, so I have deliberately
Speaker 2: walked off a cliff with a piece of fabric above me.
Speaker 2: I've rock climbed at Mount of Rapolis, and I still
Speaker 2: have never been more scared than being on the back
Speaker 2: of a bike with that bloke.
Speaker 1: Did you get hurt?
Speaker 2: You know what it is? I think it's the sense
Speaker 2: of not being in control, you know when you do
Speaker 2: rock climbing or paragliding solo, that sort of stuff. And
Speaker 2: I guess it would be the same with riding a motorbike.
Speaker 2: TIF if you're riding a bike and you're the person
Speaker 2: who's in control, it's different than being a passenger. I
Speaker 2: think being a passenger can be really tough for some people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you're not familiar with the the leaning
Speaker 4: and the control of the direction.
Speaker 5: I felt the.
Speaker 4: Same when I did fly flew the helicopter because everything,
Speaker 4: all of the sensations don't match up with how you
Speaker 4: feel they would, so it was terrifying.
Speaker 5: Like I was just on I was just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask the question, when did you
Speaker 2: fly a helicopter? That's so cool.
Speaker 4: I got bought an experience of flying a helicopter for
Speaker 4: my fortieth birthday, so a couple of years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 4: twenty four hours. It took me to come down from
Speaker 4: that adrenaline spike because it was just you're doing four
Speaker 4: different things with four different limbs. But each of the
Speaker 4: controls don't match what you would assume they should.
Speaker 2: It's like because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there's a bit of a lag and
Speaker 4: the experience and you're seeing things differently and it was
Speaker 4: really terrifying.
Speaker 2: Wow, I want to ti. I've ever been alicopter. It's
Speaker 2: the one I've been in planes. I've been in light planes.
Speaker 2: I've jumped out of planes, I've done skydiving once, I've paraglided,
Speaker 2: but I've never been an a helicopter. I'd love to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I zero interest?
Speaker 2: What really?
Speaker 1: Zero interest? I went to I went to Queenstown. I
Speaker 1: must be the only person that goes to Queenstown that
Speaker 1: didn't bungee jump from the biggest bungee jump in the world.
Speaker 1: And people like you when you're doing bungee I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not. They're like, what do you mean? I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to. They're like, what do you mean? Like,
Speaker 1: but your fucking I go zero interest in jumping off
Speaker 1: of fucking bridge?
Speaker 2: You know me too? Isn't that funny? It was all
Speaker 2: the things I did in New Zealand, all the adventure
Speaker 2: things starting ending in ing, so rock climbing, paragliding, jet boating, no,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do bungee jumping.
Speaker 1: Doesn't I mean, And it's not like if I had
Speaker 1: to do it, like if they went, well you need
Speaker 1: to to fucking save someone's life, I'll be all right, Well,
Speaker 1: straight me in and I'll jump. But it's not something
Speaker 1: that appeals to me. It's not like, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to do it, but I'm scared. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. It holds zero appeal to me, you know.
Speaker 1: But but that back quickly to the motorbike thing. What
Speaker 1: is interesting is you're right, Patrick and Tip like some
Speaker 1: people sit on the back and they have no fear
Speaker 1: and they just trust you and they have the best
Speaker 1: time ever. And other people understandably Patrick, because I would
Speaker 1: not want to be on the back of somebody's motorbike either.
Speaker 1: I'd be scared as well. And other people it's like
Speaker 1: literally one of the worst things they've ever done. It's
Speaker 1: like all the most terrifying things they've ever done, and
Speaker 1: for other people, they cannot wait to do it again.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing for me is I think if we
Speaker 2: were on an open road with no cars, I would
Speaker 2: have been fine. It's not your riding, it's all the
Speaker 2: variables of other drivers and cars that may or may
Speaker 2: not see you, that cross lanes, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: It was those variables that I think was what was
Speaker 2: making me nervous.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I usually people who are scared they lean in
Speaker 1: when we stop at traffic lights. They're like, how long
Speaker 1: have you been riding? And I tell them and they
Speaker 1: go and then like how many accidents have you had?
Speaker 1: And I go none, And then that gives them a
Speaker 1: little and then they're like, all right, well, statistically I'll
Speaker 1: probably get home. But you can hear them doing the
Speaker 1: survival maths, like asking all the nerve questions.
Speaker 2: Did you guys? I mean probably less for you tif crago.
Speaker 2: Did you do any woodwork at school? Was that anything
Speaker 2: you know, wood shop or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had year nine. We did a whole year
Speaker 1: of woodwork. Yeah, go on.
Speaker 2: Our school never did. And I was not allowed to
Speaker 2: do stuff like that in the garage at home because
Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed to touch Dad's tools and stuff because
Speaker 2: I always left stuff lying around. I guess, but I
Speaker 2: always feel like it's something that I missed an opportunity on.
Speaker 2: You know, I love gadgets, but I've never done you know,
Speaker 2: the actually building furniture or building stuff. And now I'm
Speaker 2: really excited about ar carpentry. This is this is so
Speaker 2: so so cool and what's what it is? And this
Speaker 2: makes so much sense. So this has been developed in Switzerland,
Speaker 2: so a university in Switzerland, and what they're doing is
Speaker 2: you using your power tools. So say, for example, you
Speaker 2: wanted to make a cupboard. You've got all your different
Speaker 2: pieces of materials, you upload them into the platform that
Speaker 2: you're going to be using, and then you put a
Speaker 2: like a tablet device that sits between yourself and the
Speaker 2: power tool that you're using, and it uses the camera
Speaker 2: so that you're seeing everything in real time. Obviously it's
Speaker 2: got to be for safety, but then it overlays where
Speaker 2: your source should be going, what the measurements are, where
Speaker 2: you could cut that up, and effectively it guides you
Speaker 2: every step of the way of the manufacturing process so
Speaker 2: that you can actively be doing all of that and
Speaker 2: it guides you through the whole thing. It sounds amazing
Speaker 2: to me, So it's you know so, And the good
Speaker 2: thing is it's not overly expensive because it just it's
Speaker 2: a normal tablet like an iPad or an Android tablet,
Speaker 2: and it scans each piece of wood, so it knows
Speaker 2: the size of the wood, it knows what you're going
Speaker 2: to do with it. You've uploaded the plans, and then
Speaker 2: it's basically your augmented reality Carpenter's that's there for the journey.
Speaker 2: I think that's great. How exciting would that be?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely I either need to get a bloke
Speaker 1: or a lady for that matter, to come and do it,
Speaker 1: or I need that I'm shit. I often think I
Speaker 1: wish I was more handy like that.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: I struggle filling the kettle. I mean, you know, putting
Speaker 1: petrol in the car. I'm like, well, who look at
Speaker 1: what I did. I'm a man, you know. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not that handy.
Speaker 2: My go to if I was joining two pieces of
Speaker 2: wood together, I'd use gaffer tape. Yeah, it would be
Speaker 2: my go to before I used scraping.
Speaker 1: Why nobody's coming to you or me? But in fact,
Speaker 1: I definitely walked straight past you and me go to Tiff.
Speaker 1: She's the most She's probably the most blokey of the crew,
Speaker 1: and I mean that with complete love. She would admit that,
Speaker 1: and the most handy. You can put shit together.
Speaker 5: Like one hell of a pencil box in high school.
Speaker 1: Must well you must have had the same teacher as me.
Speaker 1: We made a pencil cases.
Speaker 2: Well everybody did. I think that was like the first
Speaker 2: thing everyone does, because my brother did work at school.
Speaker 2: He was six years older but went to a different school,
Speaker 2: and he had about eight of those you're talking about,
Speaker 2: the boxes that had a little slidey lid on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an upgrade from what we had. We just
Speaker 1: had ply.
Speaker 2: I had in case that I had to buy like
Speaker 2: off pencil cases, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Patrick, I see on your to chat about list
Speaker 1: Blue Origins all female crew including Katy Perry. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw something funny about that. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw the something funny, but tell us tell us about
Speaker 1: the ladies going into space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well space tourism was the reason I kind of
Speaker 2: marked it is because it did make the news and
Speaker 2: people were talking about it, and it was the first
Speaker 2: all female crew of the Blue Origin which on the
Speaker 2: new Shepherd rocket. And I think for me, I love
Speaker 2: the idea of going into space, that romanticism of being
Speaker 2: a sci fi nerd and all the rest of it,
Speaker 2: But I don't actually have the one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars US to buy a ticket to go to space,
Speaker 2: and you're up there for a time and then you know,
Speaker 2: I mean people talk about the astronaut effect and you know,
Speaker 2: when you see the Earth from space, it's a humbling experience.
Speaker 2: But I didn't hear about the fun Was there something
Speaker 2: funny that went on as well? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just saw it as a experience.
Speaker 1: I just saw I'll try and find it for it's
Speaker 1: terrible and when you're doing this in the middle of
Speaker 1: the thing, but I saw, okay, so they'd come back, right,
Speaker 1: and Jeff Bezos it was about to like that. It
Speaker 1: was all filming. There were cameras.
Speaker 2: His girlfriend was on there as well. That's why Bezos
Speaker 2: was there, so it wasn't just his rocket. His girlfriend
Speaker 2: was going up as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, did not know that now, right, And and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they're about to go over and open
Speaker 1: the thing, and the actual door opens from the inside
Speaker 1: out a bit like and the door opens and then
Speaker 1: they're like, shut the door, shut the door. And then
Speaker 1: they shut the door and it's all I mean, it
Speaker 1: looked fake. I don't know. I'm not saying it was fake,
Speaker 1: but it looked fake and then he then they see
Speaker 1: him wandering over like it's being open for the first
Speaker 1: time and he has to work really hard to wrestle
Speaker 1: this spaceship door open and it had already been opened,
Speaker 1: and then they shut it again. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It looked a bit dodgy, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Are you you would deny you reckon? It didn't go
Speaker 2: up at all?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just saying what I saw. It just looked
Speaker 1: like I think. I think the problem with I'm sure
Speaker 1: they went to space, right, so I don't think it's
Speaker 1: fake space.
Speaker 2: The edge, little tip edge of space.
Speaker 1: It's like just past to Elgon. Yeah, but yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm conspiracy curious. I'm not a conspiracy I just
Speaker 1: think that not everything is bullshit and not everything is true,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think like you should,
Speaker 1: you should have some doubt and you should think critically,
Speaker 1: and just because some people tell you something, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you know, Well, we know humans lie, we know
Speaker 1: that we know governments lie, we know that you know,
Speaker 1: we know that there's a lot of bullshit. And that's
Speaker 1: not to say everyone's lying or the government's lying, or
Speaker 1: that's just to say you maybe want to think for
Speaker 1: yourself and do your own And by the way, doing
Speaker 1: your own research is not googling, that's not research. That's
Speaker 1: not research. And watching a YouTube video also not research,
Speaker 1: But says the man who just watched a YouTube video
Speaker 1: and says it could be fake, So don't fucking listen
Speaker 1: to me. That's why I said, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, just see you know, I think I put my
Speaker 2: foot in it before. I was just double checking, you
Speaker 2: know how I said it was one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That's just to reserve a spot.
Speaker 1: On the Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Evidently it's unclear. No one's actually given the figures out.
Speaker 2: But I just did a search on it and said
Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh, I would totally think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you think about like there was only six ladies, right, yep,
Speaker 1: Well that's nine hundred grand I mean that's pay for
Speaker 1: the petrol out of the fucking atmosphere. Yep.
Speaker 2: That rocket fuel costs a fair bit as you're motivate.
Speaker 1: Rocket fuel rocket Yeah, I know, let's do let's do
Speaker 1: another story or two. Oh bloody technical one.
Speaker 2: Oh, technical one, Okay, there's I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: ever been afflicted with this. Throughout my life, I've had
Speaker 2: problems with motion sickness. So as a kid, I had
Speaker 2: awful motion sickness when I was sitting in the back
Speaker 2: of cars. I don't tend to any more pecular drive,
Speaker 2: but I have had problems with motion sickness throughout my life.
Speaker 2: And the University of Nagoya researchers there have said that
Speaker 2: they may have struck a chord literally a one hundred
Speaker 2: hertz sound that will stimulate the inner ear to improve
Speaker 2: balance and reduce motion sickness. And we're talking within a minute,
Speaker 2: So anybody who's ever suffered from motion sickness. And I've
Speaker 2: had vertigo as well, so on top of that, vertigo
Speaker 2: is the most debilitating thing that I wish no one
Speaker 2: ever ever experiences in their entire life. And if anybody
Speaker 2: listening has experienced it, me too, and it was awful.
Speaker 2: But if this can you know, a non invasive, safe
Speaker 2: sound being used to alleviate motion sickness, that would be
Speaker 2: the best thing. Think about people going on ships, going
Speaker 2: on cruises. You know how much of a waste of
Speaker 2: money would that be If you're on a cruise, free food,
Speaker 2: free booze and all you doing is chucking for the
Speaker 2: whole time, that'd be awful, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, and I'm sure it happens. It would have to.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is that most people then have
Speaker 2: to take I know that the first few days of voyage,
Speaker 2: most people are there lining up outside the doctor's surgery
Speaker 2: on the ship just getting drugs to stop motion sickness
Speaker 2: and nausea. And that is pretty bad. Noisea is a
Speaker 2: terrible thing to be afflicted with. But the study demons basically,
Speaker 2: it's a short term stimulation using a sound called sound
Speaker 2: spice as to be not scary spice. This is sound
Speaker 2: spice and it alleviates the symptoms of motion sickness, which
Speaker 2: is great. And you know, and because it's just audio,
Speaker 2: and it's also within the range of what they call
Speaker 2: everyday environmental noise exposure, so it's safe to listen to,
Speaker 2: which means that it's non chemical and it's totally safe.
Speaker 2: So for me, I jumped at that one. I thought,
Speaker 2: what an awesome discovery that is. And if you just
Speaker 2: chuck it in your cans, put your headphones, on. Have
Speaker 2: a listen for a minute or so and the motion
Speaker 2: sickness goes. That has got to be groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: How do we find that? Like some people right now
Speaker 1: are like, great, where do I get that?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is the research. It's being done
Speaker 2: at Nagoya University, So I guess you would have to
Speaker 2: follow up with the researchers. I mean they've done the
Speaker 2: study and they've looked at the wavelength this one hundred
Speaker 2: hurt sound that produced that. That is a specific wavelength
Speaker 2: that then you know, stimulates the in the ear of
Speaker 2: the whatever the balance mechanisms are in the inner ear.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's been commercialized yet, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 1: Get back to me when I can actually listen to it,
Speaker 1: will you.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was really cool and I'm excited
Speaker 2: about it. I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1: As someone, No, but you tell us all and then,
Speaker 1: by the way, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: But anyway, great story. Do you watch movie trailers? Do
Speaker 2: you sit there saying I want to see that movie
Speaker 2: right now. I'm going to wait till March or April
Speaker 2: or June. I mean, I want to see the fabulous
Speaker 2: four Fantastic four, Fantastic four. The trailers look great. Can't
Speaker 2: wait for you?
Speaker 1: Want to see the Fabulous four?
Speaker 2: I think a fairly different bill war together.
Speaker 1: The Fantastic Dude's going through Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, I think I'm being marginalized to here, tiff, Hey,
Speaker 2: what I heard about this awesome hack attempt over the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks in Silicon Valley? Right? What they've
Speaker 2: got crosswalks? You know, when you go to a crosswalker,
Speaker 2: hit the button and you wait for it to change
Speaker 2: and then you move across the street. Well, people have
Speaker 2: been hacking them, or someone tacked them, and they've put
Speaker 2: the voices right of Elon Musk saying stuff. So when
Speaker 2: you go to the crosswalk and hit the button, you've
Speaker 2: got these ridiculous things being said. I thought that was
Speaker 2: pretty funny. So they were imitating Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk,
Speaker 2: so things like in Musk's voice, it would say, f
Speaker 2: U c K, I'm not alone. I'm sorry, I'm so alone.
Speaker 2: So there's just all these ridiculous statements. But I thought
Speaker 2: that was kind of pretty funny. That people are happy
Speaker 2: in crosswalks.
Speaker 1: That is funny. How do they do that? You know?
Speaker 1: And we just quickly back. This is a seems like
Speaker 1: a ridiculous link. But when you're talking before more about
Speaker 1: the the Kawasaki wolfs that you and I are going
Speaker 1: to ride out in the wilderness with four legs that
Speaker 1: are robot wolf for Corlo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: like everything is hackable now, Like if fucking like those
Speaker 1: crossings are hackable or the lights or the you think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe my Corleo wolf is going to be hackable. And
Speaker 1: what if it decides it doesn't want to stop, Like
Speaker 1: what if it gets sentient and it goes, no, fuck
Speaker 1: this guy. I'm just going to go and live in
Speaker 1: the wilderness and kill this guy. I can feel a
Speaker 1: bit of paranoia kicking in a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 1: I do worry Patrick. Where can people find you, follow
Speaker 1: connect with you and meet Fritz?
Speaker 2: Oh sure, well they can just come round of my place.
Speaker 2: I want to meet Fritz. Now websites noow, dot com,
Speaker 2: dot au that's the kind of one of the main
Speaker 2: websites for my business. But we do all sorts of
Speaker 2: stuff and I do teach tai chi as well. So
Speaker 2: if you want to do some free tie chi lessons,
Speaker 2: you can just jump onto tai chi at home dot com,
Speaker 2: DoD au. So there's the two sides. There's my year
Speaker 2: and Yang side of myself Grego, the work side, and
Speaker 2: the taie cheese.
Speaker 1: I love all of your sites. I love your front,
Speaker 1: your back, I love all of you, and your emotional
Speaker 1: side and your tech side, your sarcastic side. I love
Speaker 1: all of them. If have you ever done any tai
Speaker 1: chi with the great Man?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 1: I think he should do it one on two class
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 2: I tried to Hey, wait a minute, if you tried that.
Speaker 2: Last year, I tried to do a session with anybody
Speaker 2: who wanted to join or remember we talked about it,
Speaker 2: happy to do it?
Speaker 1: I reckon, we should definitely this year do a zoom
Speaker 1: taye chi with you.
Speaker 2: And anybody who wants to join in.
Speaker 1: Has that? Can we do that?
Speaker 2: Can we do it just a random high chi session? Yep?
Speaker 2: We can do some breathing exercises. I mean. The thing
Speaker 2: I love about tai chi and it's funny to have
Speaker 2: the analogue and digital world mesh because for me, you know,
Speaker 2: we live stressful lives and technology phones, all of that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff being connected social media, it causes an
Speaker 2: apprehension and a level I think of fight or flight
Speaker 2: that stimulates our brains. So when we're looking at social media,
Speaker 2: our brains get stimulated and our fight or flight mechanism
Speaker 2: can be certainly stimulated by that. And then winding down
Speaker 2: and doing something like taye chiese slowing down your breathing,
Speaker 2: being in a mindful situation. And you might get that
Speaker 2: in the ring. Craig might get that in the gym,
Speaker 2: but for me, it's doing tai chi and sharing tai
Speaker 2: chi and seeing that light bulb moment when someone just
Speaker 2: gets it and then they slow down and they slow
Speaker 2: their breathing down and they come out of it feeling relaxed.
Speaker 2: That's really a great thing for me. It's a lovely
Speaker 2: gift to be able to share with people.
Speaker 5: Chie going once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah exactly. So I do a bit of
Speaker 2: Chea going yeah exactly, it's great, and howl at the
Speaker 2: end of it, how were you?
Speaker 5: It was great?
Speaker 4: But it's that thing where you feel good at the
Speaker 4: end and you're like, I'm going to do this, but
Speaker 4: then you lose the grasp of that feeling and there's
Speaker 4: not enough drive to go do I really want to
Speaker 4: stand there and wave my arms around at.
Speaker 5: Nothing like so I'd rather go punch your face.
Speaker 1: It was like your jiu jitsu career.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, you can do things for long enough
Speaker 4: for I don't know your subconscious minds to give you
Speaker 4: that drive to just go.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go, and you've all got to go.
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye a fair but Patrick, thank you, Tip,
Speaker 1: thank you, See you next time, kids,