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Speaker 1: Apogee Production. Welcome back to another episode of Am I

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Speaker 1: A Bad Mom? Podcast? A little bit different today, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: We've got a guest here.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a few and far between, but I thought,

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Speaker 2: why not, let's just shake this ship up. And you know,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of like parenting, isn't it. You just don't

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Speaker 2: get a choice. You just shake the shit up and

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Speaker 2: hope for the best.

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Speaker 1: So Luke, Welcome, Luke, Am I A Bad Mum?

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Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me a longtime listener for some cooler.

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Speaker 4: Now people that don't know Luke, or they wouldn't know

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Speaker 4: Luke yet because it's not been on anime I A

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Speaker 4: Bad Mom before. But Luke is Rachel's brother, which also

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Speaker 4: means that he is Gracie and Elsie cool.

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct?

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Speaker 4: And I have no idea what the topic of today's

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Speaker 4: podcast is, but I am very excited to hear it.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd be excited. I thought it would just

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Speaker 2: literally throw.

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Speaker 1: It in there.

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Speaker 2: And I thought it from an uncle's perspective, I was

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Speaker 2: kind enough to let Uncle Luke parent my children.

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Speaker 1: That did the favor. It was that way round, was

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Speaker 1: it right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very kind of you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I look forward to the next opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Calmed your kids off.

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Speaker 3: And while someone went gallivounting down in Melbourne for Melbourne Cup.

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Speaker 1: What did we come up with?

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Speaker 2: Am I a bad uncle?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 1: Hang on, we can play the music.

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Speaker 3: Come, let's go to that one. Am I a bad uncle?

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Speaker 3: Because I underestimate how much insert explicit explicit language work

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Speaker 3: is involved with looking after these kids.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to get comfortable.

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Speaker 3: And I say this because I was having a conversation

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Speaker 3: as Rachel was coming home on the Wednesday. Now, I

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Speaker 3: didn't do the work. Mum had the girls for the weekend.

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Speaker 3: She's grandma.

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Speaker 4: She let's just let's just set the scene. So Rachel

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Speaker 4: swanned off to Melbourne for the makeup, sorted outfit.

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Speaker 3: Ready, Yeah, she's gonna They left on the Friday and

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Speaker 3: so for the weekend Nanny looked after them. God for Nanad.

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Speaker 3: She looked after them. And she would invite me to

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Speaker 3: things like Hey, we're going to go to the Redcliffe

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Speaker 3: Markets on Sunday. When it come I was like, nope,

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Speaker 3: I've got so many other things I can do.

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Speaker 2: I'm also booked in for Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know exactly what's going to have in

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, that's fine, you do your thing.

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Speaker 3: I also had stuff booked in for the weekend, so fine,

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Speaker 3: Monday morning, nanny do leave. She's had a big weekend.

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Speaker 3: I just have to be able to get home and

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Speaker 3: I'll have them in the afternoon. That first day, granted,

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Speaker 3: I had an event I had to go to, so

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Speaker 4: Why did you count that afternoon as part of your duties?

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Speaker 3: I didn't actually take me Initially, I counted, and I

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Speaker 3: And I was like, actually, haven't spoken to Brie about

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Speaker 3: No dramas, I've got it covered, and okay, cool coo cool.

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Speaker 4: So actually, what could have happened is you were driving

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Speaker 4: to your event and then you put it at some

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Speaker 1: I mean like five o'clock, the kids are still here

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Speaker 3: Literally, so zero awareness. And then was like, okay, that's fine. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday morning, first morning for lunchboxes. What an ordeal to

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Speaker 3: you buy these like compartmentalized ones. So you have to

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking, I'm like, how many things do you

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Speaker 1: Did they give your anxiety? Like I can't leave one

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Speaker 3: Also, Rachel's been away for like just shy of a

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Speaker 1: Just cut it in half, put it in a ziplock bag.

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Speaker 3: It is incredible. Your resourcefulness is incredible. So I end

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Speaker 4: The ability in that moment to just be the fun

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Speaker 3: In the lunch. This is the problem. I'm too much

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Speaker 4: I laugh the way he's saying it, like it's like

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Speaker 3: You do these things, right, So I'm rushing home my girl.

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Speaker 3: we're gonna do music bars and what else you want

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Speaker 3: We're driving to him to dance. They're having a great

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter, And in my head all I'm doing is

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Speaker 3: But I was like thinking anyway, Gracie was watching me.

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Speaker 3: He's like, do you know what face you, Paul while

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Speaker 3: I was like, what, just look at the road anyway,

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Speaker 3: things where a part of me was And I have

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Speaker 3: to say this because this isn't about me, and this

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Speaker 3: that I don't have kids, right, and I love these children,

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Speaker 3: but because I have another world, and I was happy

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Speaker 3: You're in this dichotomy and I've heard parents talk about

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Speaker 3: you're frustrated because no one's listening. They're not doing it

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Speaker 3: as Sore told. It's taking longer than it should.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm literally like, guys, you have three minutes until

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Speaker 3: no d'ling, no move move, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Everyone listening right now, including us, wants to be a

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Speaker 4: part of your world, right.

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Speaker 3: I love my world, just FYI, But I was in

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Speaker 1: Was like, you are my absolute world. I adore you,

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Speaker 4: Nothing I love more than to see people like you,

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