WEBVTT - How the Pope’s death changed the election campaign

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, we thought of you when the Pope passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>You were once a Catholic priest. What did you make

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<v Speaker 1>of his passing and what did it mean to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've got to say it meant a lot to me, really,

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<v Speaker 2>because this pope, in many ways epitomizes the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church that well I was educated in immediately after

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<v Speaker 2>the Vatican Council back in the mid to late sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>He was inclusive, he was human, and he actually showed

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<v Speaker 2>what I believe is the core of not only the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic faith, but of the Christian belief of love and mercy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's no surprise to me that the whole world,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they're believers or not, mourn a figure of this sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul bon Jorne is one of one point two billion

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholics him on the loss of Pope Francis this week,

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<v Speaker 1>and as he read tribute after treatbute of the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of the pope, he noticed what wasn't on the front

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<v Speaker 1>page Utton's last minute policy announcements.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pope is a world figure. There's absolutely no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>about that, and of course it's swamped the world's media,

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<v Speaker 2>including here in Australia. So it's not surprising that the

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<v Speaker 2>death of this pope would overshadow anything that our leaders

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<v Speaker 2>were doing in the election campaign. In fact would blow

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign out of the water for a few days.

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<v Speaker 1>From Swarts Media, I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM Today.

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<v Speaker 1>Calumnist for the Saturday paper. Paul Bonjorno on how the

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<v Speaker 1>Pope's death derailed Dutton and whether he can recover. That's darting,

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<v Speaker 1>not the Pope. It's Saturday, April twenty six, Paul. Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Dutton had a major policy announcement on Monday which was

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the coverage of the Pope's death, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was about law and order.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is Peter Dutton positioning himself not just as

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<v Speaker 3>a potential future prime minister, but also remind us he

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<v Speaker 3>is a former police officer and also a dad who

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<v Speaker 3>knows right now parents they're two biggest concerns a drugs

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<v Speaker 3>and keeping children safe.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of this move by Dutton.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, this isn't a surprise at all. This is

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<v Speaker 2>an area of security, law and order crime.

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<v Speaker 4>So today when now it's a seven hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 4>million dollar package, which is a real game change in

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<v Speaker 4>relation to how we can help keep our communities and

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<v Speaker 4>our homes and our towns and suburbs safe.

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<v Speaker 2>While it is true certainly at the state level law

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<v Speaker 2>and order, for example, played a very big role in

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<v Speaker 2>the Queensland state election. I think people are aware that

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<v Speaker 2>the federal issues are a bit broader than the law

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<v Speaker 2>and order tack that Dutton is taking. The other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is I actually thought the launch was a bit hyperbolic,

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<v Speaker 2>if I can put it that way. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of hyperbole with the one of the Liberal candidates saying

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, people are scared to go shopping in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't feel safe, and they're on horns, they're businesses

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<v Speaker 2>taking public transport, are even at the shop. And I

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<v Speaker 2>actually don't think that it's resonating in the federal campaign

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere near, say, as strongly as the whole issue of

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton managed to break through when he won the

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<v Speaker 1>third Leader's debate on Tuesday night. Is he sharpening as

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting closer to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I would dispute that he did break through

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<v Speaker 2>On Tuesday night. Dutton gave Labor an enormous piece of

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<v Speaker 2>ammunition when he confirmed that there would be significant cuts,

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<v Speaker 2>but said he had to wait till he got into

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<v Speaker 2>government before he could tell where they would be, what

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<v Speaker 2>agencies and what department.

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<v Speaker 4>So we will look at government expenditure and as again

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<v Speaker 4>we've done in the past as a liberal government, we will.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the budget.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see where the government's wasting money. I think every

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<v Speaker 4>Austrains look at their own budgets now and if they're

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<v Speaker 4>having to tighten their belts, so too should the federal

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<v Speaker 4>government because if we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And in my view, in another lapse by Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 2>he seemed to lose his cool with Alberanisi when Alberanzi

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<v Speaker 2>was accusing him of cutting what was it about eighty

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars from the health budget.

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<v Speaker 5>Prior to you come into office. You ripped eighty billion

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<v Speaker 5>dollars out of those two items.

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<v Speaker 2>Dudn't shot back. You couldn't even lie straight in bed.

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<v Speaker 5>In two thousand and four, minister, You couldn't lie straight

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<v Speaker 5>in bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, this is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>It can go to abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>It was I think Albanesi's retort that hit the mark

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<v Speaker 2>when he said.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, abuse, that's a sign of desperation.

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<v Speaker 4>Frankly, as he's lying.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a sign of desperation. Go to the twenty fourteen

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<v Speaker 5>budget papers.

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<v Speaker 2>And Labor strategists tell me that Dunn't has to be

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<v Speaker 2>on his guard in these debates against reinforcing the view

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<v Speaker 2>that he's nothing more than aggressive or as Malcolm turmul

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<v Speaker 2>once called him, a thug. Whereas this lapse, as it were,

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<v Speaker 2>plays into this overly aggressive persona.

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<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned before, Paul, one of the key moments

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<v Speaker 1>during the leader's debate was when Dutten conceded there would

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<v Speaker 1>be significant budget cut but refused to outline where they'd fall.

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<v Speaker 1>How is that moment played into Labour's narrative about trust

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<v Speaker 1>and transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, probably in light of the arguments that the Labor

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<v Speaker 2>have been using throughout the campaign. The Coalition campaign headquarters

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<v Speaker 2>released a list of the sort of cuts they would make,

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<v Speaker 2>and this only reinforces the vulnerability of the Liberals in

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<v Speaker 2>claiming that they will make tough decisions and cut labors

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<v Speaker 2>in inverted commas wasteful spending. But when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the list, it's quite gobsmacking on a couple of levels.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, it goes counter to what you might

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<v Speaker 2>call is liberal holy writ They always attack labor for

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to pay for its spending by upping income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's exactly what they're doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Dunne has announced an increase in defense spending.

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<v Speaker 4>What we announced today is a record investment into defense,

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<v Speaker 4>which is going to be a particular benefit here in

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<v Speaker 4>Western Australia and South Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the chaos out of the United States that has

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<v Speaker 1>loomed over this campaign, will it be politically popular?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, the presumption is that Australians, or a majority

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians actually support massive defense spending.

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<v Speaker 4>Australia has an important role to play on the global

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<v Speaker 4>stage and in our own region. But most importantly, a

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<v Speaker 4>good Australian government will always invest into keeping us safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there was a study that was written up in

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<v Speaker 2>The Conversation this week, a survey done by the War

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<v Speaker 2>Studies Research Group at the University of New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>and it found that only a third of Australians support

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<v Speaker 2>increasing defense spending. So, in other words, even though we

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<v Speaker 2>have uncertainty, even though we have Donald Trump in the

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<v Speaker 2>White House telling us to look after yourselves, only a

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<v Speaker 2>third of Australians support a massive defense spending at this

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<v Speaker 2>time because it's vying with another thing that Australians do support,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is relief so that they can make ends

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<v Speaker 2>meet for their families, that they can pay their bills.

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<v Speaker 2>He simply hasn't done the homework to build this into

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<v Speaker 2>a major election issue at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, what record pre polling numbers

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<v Speaker 1>say about the mood of the electric.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul headed Anthony Albanezi spend the week well.

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<v Speaker 2>He started the week basically mourning the Pope.

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<v Speaker 5>Today, there of more than a billion people from all nations,

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<v Speaker 5>in every walk of life go with Pope Francis to

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<v Speaker 5>his rest.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he was very fast off the mark, noting

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<v Speaker 2>the Pope's death, paying a great tribute to him, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he suspended for a full day his campaigning.

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<v Speaker 5>I have vast the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet

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<v Speaker 5>that all flags from the commult Government of Australia will

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<v Speaker 5>fly at half mast tamaraw as a sign of respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanize came back into the fray by going up to

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney and debating Peter Dutton on Tuesday night, then campaigned

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<v Speaker 2>in Liberal marginal seats in Melbourne, and then he's gone

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<v Speaker 2>over to Perth to one of the Liberal's strongest seats

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<v Speaker 2>in wa Colli.

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<v Speaker 7>The Prime Minister, Energy Minister and West Australia's Premier Roger

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<v Speaker 7>Cook coming to Collie, south of Perth, one of seven

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<v Speaker 7>sites where Peter Dutton plans to build nuclear reactors if

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<v Speaker 7>he wins the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Albert Easy, We're there, as it were, hang a bright

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<v Speaker 2>lantern over the fact that Dutton won't even come here

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<v Speaker 2>even though he wants to put a nuclear plant here,

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<v Speaker 2>and that nuclear is the least best option for dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the transition to net zero emissions.

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Eazy has consistently ruled out doing a deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the Greens in the event of a hung Parliament. So

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<v Speaker 1>given how likely a minority government still is, what should

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<v Speaker 1>voters make of what will happen if Labor doesn't win

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<v Speaker 1>out right.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it was a bit gobsmack Daniel when in the

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<v Speaker 2>debate the moderator thought that when albert Is he ruled

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<v Speaker 2>out doing a deal with the Greens, that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to another election. That's not the fact at all.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the whole cross bench, including the Greens, except

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you don't have to have a formal

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<v Speaker 2>coalition agreement as it were with the minority government. For

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<v Speaker 2>a mon minority government to exist, all you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is to guarantee confidence and supply and then tackle

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<v Speaker 2>every issue and every bit of legislation on its merits.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the game plan, certainly for Albanisi, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>also the game plan for people like Andrew Wilkie, who

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<v Speaker 2>as late as Thursday reinforced that he wouldn't be doing

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<v Speaker 2>a deal with any minority government like he did with

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<v Speaker 2>the Gillard minority government because he said they don't keep

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<v Speaker 2>this side of the bargain. So what we would see if,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, there is a minority government and there are

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<v Speaker 2>no formal coalition agreements like we have on the non

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<v Speaker 2>Labour side of politics with the Liberals and the Nationals.

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<v Speaker 2>The most likely thing would be that the Governor General

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<v Speaker 2>would call the Parliament to convene and for the party

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<v Speaker 2>with the biggest number of seats to test on the

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<v Speaker 2>floor of the Parliament if it had confidence. That would

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<v Speaker 2>probably be the way that we would go forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Early polling has been going game busters and the first

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<v Speaker 1>day alone, more than half a million people voted, smashing

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<v Speaker 1>the previous record in twenty twenty two by one hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands of votes. What do you think it says

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<v Speaker 1>about the sentiment in the community that people are making

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<v Speaker 1>their minds up well before the campaign is Overpaul.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's There are various theories on this, Daniel, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed some vox pops that have been done outside

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<v Speaker 2>the polling birds and you get the impression that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>these voters have had enough, they don't want to hear anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact most of them have made up their minds.

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<v Speaker 2>They're saying now that by the time we get to

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<v Speaker 2>a Saturday week that over half the electorate that is

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<v Speaker 2>about nine million people will have voted.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still another leader's debate that come. Given what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen with early voting, what's the point do you still

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<v Speaker 1>think voters haven't made up their mind could be moved

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<v Speaker 1>by yet another debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there could be one or two who might be moved,

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<v Speaker 2>looking for something to give them a reason to vote

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<v Speaker 2>one way or the other. Interestingly, Anthony Alberanizi is the

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<v Speaker 2>first prime minister to agree to four of these debates.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had as few as one. I think three was

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<v Speaker 2>the last best number and people were wondering why Albanizi

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<v Speaker 2>was so keen. But it seems that the labor camp

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<v Speaker 2>or of a view that the more people see of

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton, the worse it is for him. And the

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<v Speaker 2>News poll shows, among other polls this week, that Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton has gone backwards quite dramatically in his approvals during

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign. Minus twenty two is his net approval in

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<v Speaker 2>the News poll. One seasoned liberals said to me, that's

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<v Speaker 2>change of leader territory. Well, we'll see in over a

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<v Speaker 2>week's time whether that change will be forced upon the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberals by the voters.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's going to be fascinating to see how it

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<v Speaker 1>all plays out in the final week. Well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>once again for your time and your insights.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks mate. Bye.

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