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Speaker 1: On scoring Lils Ostrodio.

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Speaker 2: This is the Wader Panalty Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show. Coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight a massive program. Joining me will be James Morrow,

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer and Caroline Marcus, and later in the hour

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Speaker 3: Stephanie Bastian will have the latest on the John Passeuto

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Speaker 3: Deeming child. Of course, we never forget left He's losing

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Speaker 3: it tonight when Wolf stars She's the wife of Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris's VP pick Tim Walls. Two days and we are

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Speaker 3: turned the Bay.

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Speaker 4: By bye, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the astonishing front page splash from Michael

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Speaker 3: Warner in today's Harold Son detailing the bomb show claims

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Speaker 3: from a review of the Daniel and Catherine Andrews car crash,

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Speaker 3: which has concluded that Victoria police engaged in an overt

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Speaker 3: cover up to avoid implicating a political figure in a

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Speaker 3: life threatening incident. This explosive thirty six page assessment by

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Speaker 3: former police assistant commissioner asserts that the Andrews family suv

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Speaker 3: was traveling at speed and on the wrong side of

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Speaker 3: the road when it struck teenage cyclist Ryan Muhlman in

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Speaker 3: blen Gowery Back in January seven, two thousand and thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Now we have heard differing accounts of what happened from

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Speaker 3: those who were there. Dan and Catherine Andrews insisted that

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Speaker 3: they came to a complete stop and turn right from

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Speaker 3: a stationery position just moments before being t boned by

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Speaker 3: the cyclist. T Boned is the expression that was used,

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Speaker 3: but the pictures of the car showed something entirely different.

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Speaker 3: And now the expert review conducted by the state's former

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Speaker 3: Assistant Commissioner for Traffic and Operationations, doctor Raymond Suey, it's

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Speaker 3: concluded the police investigation, which supported the Andrews version of

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Speaker 3: events was deeply flawed, unfounded, and contrary to the available evidence.

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Speaker 3: Dtor Sheuey writes the version as provided by Catherine and

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Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews is considered improbable and implausible. The propagation of

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Speaker 3: a lie and striking deception, the report claims, began when

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Speaker 3: the driver's name was recorded as Katherine Louise Kessick, which

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Speaker 3: is missus Andrews made a name in a traffic incident

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Speaker 3: system reports submitted by police in the hours after the crash.

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Speaker 3: And we'll have more on the police breaches a little

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Speaker 3: later now, Doctor Schuey's review was commissioned by mister Meulman's

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Speaker 3: lawyers as part of an ongoing Supreme Court damages proceedings

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Speaker 3: into the crash. I spoke to Ryan's father, Peter Meulman

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Speaker 3: back in June, and here was clear that the family

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Speaker 3: will not stop seeking justice for Ryan.

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Speaker 5: We're hoping to get justice for Ryan from this. It's

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Speaker 5: just been such a long road for us. So we'd

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Speaker 5: really like to get closure on the case. If you've

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Speaker 5: got nothing to hide, you'd be transparent about all of

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Speaker 5: those records. So just want that clarity and that closure

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Speaker 5: and that justice.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now, Sky you Senior reporter Caroline Marcus. Caroline,

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Speaker 3: this is an explosive story. Michael Warner has been doggedly

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Speaker 3: pursuing it while the bulk of the Victorian media looks

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Speaker 3: the other way. The revelations the claims here are deeply worrying.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of what you've read today?

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Speaker 6: Well, it has been extraordinary, Brito, because this review has

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Speaker 6: been unequivocally scathing of Victoria Police and it's handling of

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Speaker 6: this crash.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the review found that there were more than a.

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Speaker 6: Dozen breaches of standard police operating procedure, and that included

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Speaker 6: some of the basic things that you'd expect to happen

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Speaker 6: at a crime scene like this. Well, we didn't know

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Speaker 6: if it was a crime scene at what had happened,

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Speaker 6: but it's treated like a crime scene at the beginning

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Speaker 6: when police turn up to a traffic accident like this.

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Speaker 6: There was no breath test taken of either Daniel Andrews

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Speaker 6: They didn't door knock neighboring residents. They allowed mister Andrews

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Speaker 6: and being a critical piece of evidence to the entire scene. Clearly,

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Speaker 6: in their initial police report that they submitted, So we

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Speaker 6: just saw an example of how they used Catherine Andrews's

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Speaker 6: maiden name. They also claimed that they had performed a

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Speaker 6: that because police said that missus Andrews didn't seem to

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Speaker 6: I mean, it was quite remarkable, and not only of course,

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Speaker 7: Come off very badly out of this review.

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Speaker 6: I mean it accuses them of a huge cover up

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Speaker 6: because then opposition leader was involved. But Daniel Andrews and

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Speaker 6: as to whether mister andrew was actually driving the vehicle himself,

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Speaker 6: which of course he has always denied. But police never

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Speaker 7: Position of the driver's.

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Speaker 6: Seat, and a witness who spoke to them at the

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Speaker 7: So there are still lots of questions.

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Speaker 6: That remain after this review has been handed down, but

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Speaker 6: I think it is time for the former premier to

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Speaker 6: answer questions to this family, who, to their credit, have

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Speaker 6: not been dissuaded by the fact that they're up against

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Speaker 6: a very powerful political family, but have continued to fight

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the review you highlighted some of the police

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Speaker 3: breaches there the failure to conduct breath test and as

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Speaker 3: and it also found that they did not follow procedure

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Speaker 3: in so many different respects. For example, they didn't call

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Speaker 3: which is required by policy. That's what you would expect

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Speaker 3: them to do, and the police conduct that They were

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Speaker 3: also concerns about an officer from the Rye Police station

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Speaker 3: two minutes after it had been allocated to another unit

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Speaker 3: that was closer to the accident site. The review details

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Speaker 3: how this senior constable stated that she was closer to

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Speaker 3: the Blagari Street where the teenager cyclist was struck, but

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Speaker 3: she was actually at Rye Police Station doing urgent correspondents

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Speaker 3: and then took six and a half minutes to leave

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Speaker 3: to go to the site. Doctor Raymond Suey found this

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Speaker 3: raises critical questions as to why the senior constable whose

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Speaker 3: cancel a unit already on route. What external communications via

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Speaker 3: telephone or radio with the senior constable occurred in the

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Speaker 3: time from the crash to being on route. Caroline, I'm

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Speaker 3: not suggesting there was any wrongdoing by the Andrews here.

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Speaker 3: But for the sake of transparency, should there be immunity

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Speaker 3: offered to any police officers involved in a deliberate cover

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Speaker 7: Well, look, in my opinion, no, I mean this.

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Speaker 6: They appear, on the findings of this review to have

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Speaker 7: You know, the crime scene.

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Speaker 6: Was not caughting off as I mentioned before, and was

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Speaker 7: Of the crash.

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Speaker 6: And that's despite all these questions hanging over it.

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Speaker 7: I mean, in what case does that tend to happen?

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Speaker 6: And these people need to be properly questioned over how

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Speaker 7: And it isn't just the.

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Speaker 6: Police officers who were at the scene, it is the

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Speaker 6: people who were overseeing their work as well, who did

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Speaker 6: come unto criticism in this review too, because there were

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Speaker 6: other facets. To this reader, the family was never provided

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Speaker 6: a report with who were the other who the other

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Speaker 6: that is a very basic duty that police have.

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Speaker 7: How did that not happen.

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Speaker 6: How did the superiors of those officers overlooking it take place?

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Speaker 3: There have been so many breaches. We've detailed some of them.

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Speaker 3: We could spend hours on things that were done that

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Speaker 3: shouldn't have been done. It is bewildering and it's worrying.

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Speaker 3: Before you go, something a little bit lighter. Gender row

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Speaker 3: has erupted at Thirteenth Beach Golf Links on Victoria's Bellerine

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Speaker 3: Pinicsula after a man decided to dress as a woman

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Speaker 3: to protest the club's discounted rates for female members. Maybe

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Speaker 3: just wanted to get a discount. Hearing is or should

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Speaker 3: that be here?

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Speaker 8: She is here?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I'm identifying as a female now and I'm just about

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Speaker 3: to inquire about the new membership, do you. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 3: stunt has backfired. He's been suspended and so as the

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Speaker 3: dude videoing the whole thing. I think it's a little

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Speaker 3: bit harsh. I think they're just making a point there

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Speaker 6: Carrow, and don't we live in a time reader where

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Speaker 6: if you identify as a woman, you are a woman.

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Speaker 6: I thought that's the whole point. Clearly they've misgendered him

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Speaker 6: by refusing to accept that in a weakness skirt. He's

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Speaker 6: now a woman now, But obviously this was a prank

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Speaker 6: that he wanted to show up the discrimination I guess

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Speaker 6: that exists in this club because women are being charged

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Speaker 6: a discounted fee for memberships compared to men, and the

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Speaker 6: that they have to take a stand. Golf Australia says,

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Speaker 6: because what this frank did was to have a laugh

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Speaker 7: I don't know how it does that. It's in fact.

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Speaker 6: It's having a go at exclusion because men are excluded

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Speaker 3: Caroline Marcus, thanks for your time this evening pleasure. Joining

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Speaker 3: me now is host of the US Report and co

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Speaker 3: host of Out Signers, James Morrow. James start with the

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Speaker 3: Australian Government's Misinformation and Information Bill. It's under attack from

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Speaker 3: all sorts of corners, Coalition MPs obviously, but Elon mask

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Speaker 3: and others who value the concept of free speech. This

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Speaker 3: bill would grant extraordinary powers to the bureaucrats at the

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Speaker 3: Australian Communication and Media Authority. They could impose massive fines

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Speaker 3: up to five percent of global revenue on social media

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Speaker 3: platforms if they fail to adequately crack down on what

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Speaker 3: these bureaucrats deem to be misinformation and disinformation. Is this

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Speaker 3: mean for Australia if it passes in its present form?

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Speaker 2: Well, I really worry that it is going to pass

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Speaker 2: the Senate reader. I mean, the coalition has said that

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Speaker 2: they will always stand for free speech each but to

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Speaker 2: the extent that they've done so, you know, they've said, well,

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Speaker 2: the bill has problems, but it has issues, but they

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Speaker 2: haven't said the whole idea of this is a complete

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Speaker 2: mess and it needs to be thrown out the door.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where we are right now. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to have a fight over this. They're going

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Speaker 2: to make some rhetorical comments towards free speech, but I

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Speaker 2: think the thing ultimately goes through because you know, it's

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Speaker 2: considered not cost of living and some of these other things.

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Speaker 2: But tell you it's deeply important here and one of

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Speaker 2: the important things here is that the government makes a

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Speaker 2: big deal of saying, oh, well, you know, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: target individual users, and what that means is actually what

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Speaker 2: they're doing is they're outsourcing censorship to the social media platforms.

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Speaker 2: And we know they're already really really bad at that.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to see information throttled online, just

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Speaker 2: past this bill. It's already happening. But the other thing too,

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Speaker 2: is it creates two tiers of free speech in this country.

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Speaker 2: So if you're a journalist like oser, you're an academic,

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Speaker 2: or you know, you're in the government, you have free speech,

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Speaker 3: Now, a lot has been said about these bomb threats

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Speaker 3: that happened in Springfield, Ohio, and the Republicans, particularly Trump

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And of course, you know again it's more

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Speaker 3: There is the America is so inherently racist? Why there's

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Speaker 3: This one is called Am I Racist? The last one

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Speaker 3: To be doing even better business at the box office.

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Speaker 3: Audiences love it too. It's got a ninety nine percent

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Speaker 7: The entire system has to burn. And I'm not going

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Speaker 7: to even use save this country. This country is not

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Speaker 1: Oh so.

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Speaker 4: So wait folks, waite.

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Speaker 7: Supremacy, wait woman, wait boy?

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Speaker 2: Wait?

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Speaker 7: Entitlements centering?

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Speaker 9: Is there a black person around here?

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Speaker 3: Critics are refusing to review this film, despite the fact

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they're probably afraid that they're going to

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Speaker 2: have found their relevance declining. And what they're doing now

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Speaker 3: You're so right, and there is such a demand and

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Speaker 3: James Morrow, thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 3: Thanks reader still to come and Lefties Losing It and

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Speaker 3: Josh with a new report detailing the deep failings of

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Speaker 3: the Secret Service. You're watching the Reader Panny Show, and

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Speaker 3: now it's time for Lefty's losing head. Let's check in

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Speaker 7: You just showed me this.

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Speaker 5: Turn the page, right, turn the page, and you know

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Speaker 5: what else? That looks like? Bye bye, bye.

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Speaker 7: Bye Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: We are turning the bage.

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Speaker 3: Two days and we are.

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Speaker 1: Turning the bay Didny day, Bye bye Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I would have thought so. Turning the page would

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Speaker 3: involve getting rid of the current lot in power. And

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Speaker 3: that's the Democrats last I checked. But anyway, talking about Democrats,

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Speaker 3: she's back. Hillary is back with a wackadoodle MSNBC host

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Speaker 3: Rachel Maddow and Hillary reckons that the media is too

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Speaker 3: soft on Donald Trump. And note this interview is after

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Speaker 3: the second assassination attempt on Trump's life, inspired by the

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Speaker 3: Dems labeling him a threat to democracy? So why don't

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Speaker 3: we do that some more?

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Speaker 9: And I don't understand why it's so difficult for the

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Speaker 9: press to have a consistent narrative about how dangerous Trump is.

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Speaker 9: You know, the late great journalist Terry Evans, you know,

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Speaker 9: one time said that, you know, journalists should, you know,

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Speaker 9: really try to achieve objectivity, And by that he said,

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Speaker 9: I mean they should cover the object. Well, the object

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Speaker 9: in this case is Donald Trump, his demagogery, his danger

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Speaker 9: to our country and the world, and stick with.

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Speaker 3: It, stick with it until when they successfully have him assassinated.

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Speaker 3: And of course Madou did not call out Hillary's ugly,

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Speaker 3: inflammatory ritrid She just encouraged it.

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Speaker 1: He's still being taught, especially by the media, that the

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Speaker 1: more offensive he is, the more he can dominate the

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Speaker 1: media space entirely. And I feel like you've you've been

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Speaker 1: a good diagnoser of that.

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Speaker 3: Now to a lefty who claims the assassination attempts against

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump are no big.

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Speaker 4: Deal, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: But isn't hearing pewpew fire in the red state of

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Speaker 1: Florida as common as hearing bird saying I'm sure it

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Speaker 1: wasn't personal. Please don't flatter yourself.

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Speaker 3: Charming?

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Speaker 7: Charming?

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Speaker 3: And here we have a man who claims he was

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Speaker 3: misgendered at the pharmacy, apparently calling him sir. Damagees masculinity.

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Speaker 3: See if you can understand what this is about.

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Speaker 8: So I got surved today at the pharmacy. And I'm

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Speaker 8: not saying men can't look like this, because please go

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Speaker 8: off kings, But like, I'm not doing damage to masculinity.

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Speaker 8: I think y'all are when you serve me, when you

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Speaker 8: call me a man, right like I'm not a man.

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Speaker 8: Don't consider me for the pool of men.

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Speaker 3: Done, dude, whatever you want. And here is Kamala Harris's stepdaughter,

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Speaker 3: who is a far left activist and a model. She

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Speaker 3: is a professional model. She posted this to Instagram last week.

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Speaker 3: It's a collaboration with fashion brand Tory Bircher. They produce

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Speaker 3: hideously ugly shoes, among other things.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, are you lm huh yeah? What song

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Speaker 7: are you listening to right now?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 7: I'm wearing a Tory Birch top, a Tory Birch skirt.

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Speaker 1: Tory Birch shield, loafers, and obviously the Tory Birch care bag.

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Speaker 7: Thanks have a good one.

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Speaker 3: What learning more about the second Trump assassination attempt and

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Speaker 3: the accused gunman, Ryan Wesley Routh and what inspired the

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Speaker 3: fifty eight year old to target Trump. The suspect has

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Speaker 3: a history of posting anti Trump rhetoric, much of admirroring

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Speaker 3: Democrat talking points. The New York Post reports Rawth has

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Speaker 3: repeatedly railed against Trump on social media and posted about

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Speaker 3: his alleged threats to democracy and yes, that echoes precisely

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Speaker 3: what we hear from Democrats, including Vice President Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: and President Joe Biden. The suspect wrote, democracy is on

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Speaker 3: the ballot and we cannot lose sound familiar word for

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Speaker 3: word what we hear from Democrat leadership. He also posted,

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Speaker 3: we cannot afford to fail. The world is counting on

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Speaker 3: us to show the way. And after the July assassination

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Speaker 3: attempt at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, he posted this

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Speaker 3: to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. He wrote, you should

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Speaker 3: visit the victims in the hospital of the Trump rally

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Speaker 3: victims and attend the funeral of the firemen that died.

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Speaker 3: Trump certainly never would show the world what real leaders do.

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Speaker 3: Let's cross now to Florida to speak to Newsweek's Senior

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Speaker 3: editor at Large and Senior Council for the article three

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Speaker 3: project Josh Hammer, Josh, what more can you tell us

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Speaker 3: about the suspect and how you managed to come so

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Speaker 3: close to President Trump with an AK forty seven style rifle?

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Speaker 4: Read Unfortunately, I do not have any good answers to

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Speaker 4: the second question. I mean, I mean what I can say,

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Speaker 4: which I can conclude pretty close to us Palm Beach.

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Speaker 4: I live about an hour from there, and I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that you can conclude as well. Living halfway around the world.

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Speaker 4: The Secret Service clearly has not learned any of the

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Speaker 4: relevant lessons whatsoever from the near mess the near assassination

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania in July thirteen. Now,

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Speaker 4: I saw some people saying that Donald Trump playing a

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Speaker 4: round of golf at Trump International West Palm Beach was

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Speaker 4: an off the record, off the books trip. I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: that is ludicrous. It doesn't matter whether it was on

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Speaker 4: the record or off the record. Donald Trump spends the

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Speaker 4: vast majority of his time in Palm Beach, Florida, and

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Speaker 4: when he's not in mar A Lago, he's probably and

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Speaker 4: usually golfing at that very golf club. It's ten minutes

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Speaker 4: from mar Lago. It's his home club. It is in

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Speaker 4: x freaking excusable for this to have possibly happened there.

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Speaker 4: As far as the nature of the suspect himself, I

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Speaker 4: think the social media track record unfortunately speaks for itself.

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Speaker 4: You know, this was actually a pretty known guy. The

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Speaker 4: New York Times and Semaphore, two very well known outlets

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Speaker 4: in the US, both interviewed him. In fact, last year

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Speaker 4: he was on fed's radar because he was traveling to

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Speaker 4: Ukraine trying to recruit Afghan's fleeing the Taliban, trying to

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Speaker 4: launder them through Iran to get to Ukraine to fight

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Speaker 4: the Russians. He was extraordinarily zealous and usually so, you

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Speaker 4: might say, for the Cranian cause. But he was on

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Speaker 4: the radar of law enforcement because he has two prior

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Speaker 4: federal convictions as well, including for one gun charge back

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and two in North Carolina when he

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Speaker 4: was illegally owning a fully automatic weapon in violation of

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Speaker 4: a prohibition era statute from the nineteen thirties. To say

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Speaker 4: this is an excuseable reader, I think would be an understatement.

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Speaker 4: It's disgusting.

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Speaker 7: I'm a Paul.

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Speaker 4: Thank god Donald Trump is.

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Speaker 3: Safe and almost miraculous again. He's been very lucky twice

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Speaker 3: this time around, just because a Secret Service agent spotted

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Speaker 3: the rifle. And you would think that would be a

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Speaker 3: very eagle eyed individual, indeed in a golf course, to

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Speaker 3: spot that rifle and to take immediate action. Josh, last

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Speaker 3: night I detailed some of the frankly reprehensible media coverage

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Speaker 3: seeking to essentially blame Trump for the attempts on his

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Speaker 3: life that has continued. Have a look at this from

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Speaker 3: the Atlantic, saying no other president has use an assassination

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Speaker 3: attempt to inflame American politics the way Donald Trump does.

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Speaker 3: Tom Nichols really does find new ways to humiliate himself.

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Speaker 3: And here is Politico's headline focusing on Republicans being outraged

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Speaker 3: by an assassination attempt and blaming them for partisan finger pointing, well,

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Speaker 3: there's only one site having its candidate targeted by political

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Speaker 3: operatives in the justice system, not to mention the two

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Speaker 3: assassination attempts in as many months.

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Speaker 4: The rhetoric from the last in this country is absolutely disgusting.

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Speaker 4: You know Tom Nichols right there, who we were just

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Speaker 4: seeing his writing in The Atlantic. I mean, he is

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Speaker 4: the poster child of TDS. Trump de arrangement syndrome. But

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Speaker 4: unfortunately there are many, many people on both the left

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Speaker 4: and the controlled opposition full rage, that are speaking right

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Speaker 4: now very similar language. So you had Jasmine Crockett, who

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Speaker 4: was a nothing backbencher US congresswoman from the Dallas Fort

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Speaker 4: Worth area in Texas. She was on MSNBC on Sunday

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Speaker 4: saying that, you know, to this day, MAGA Republicans, MAGA

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Speaker 4: extremists pose a unique threat to democracy. You know, King Jeffries,

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Speaker 4: who is the minority leader of the US House, he

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Speaker 4: had a two hours after the near assassination again of

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, saying that MAGA Republicans are the extreme, unprecedented threat,

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Speaker 4: taught to twenty twenty five national abortion ban, all this stuff, which,

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Speaker 4: by the way, not even true. Donald Trump has explicitly

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Speaker 4: disavowed both of those things. And then ha, King Jeffries

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Speaker 4: actually doubled down in another post on x on Monday morning.

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Speaker 4: So these people have no shame whatsoever. But to your

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Speaker 4: other point, you know, it has not escaped many of us,

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Speaker 4: that the political violence and the attempts to assassinate political rivals.

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Speaker 4: You know, it really is disproportionately overwhelmingly I would say

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Speaker 4: nearly nearly exclusively coming from the political left against the right.

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Speaker 4: Floyd Lee Corkins back in twenty twelve, who was a

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Speaker 4: left wing nut job who was ginned up by MSNBC,

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Speaker 4: tried to assassinate people at the Family Research Council social

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Speaker 4: conservative Christian in Washington, DC. Five years later, James Hodgkinson

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Speaker 4: tried to assassinate half of the Republican Congressional baseball team,

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Speaker 4: almost fatally wounding Steep's lease in the process. In twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two, Nicholas Rosky flew from California to Maryland trying

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Speaker 4: to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh after the Dobbs Abortion League opinion.

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Speaker 4: Thank god he was arrested at the very last minute.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 4: Audrey hailed the transgender individual who shopped the Covenant School,

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Speaker 4: the Christian school in Nashville the memo the manifesto was suppressed.

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Speaker 4: I could go on here and now these two assassination

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Speaker 4: attempts against Trump, But when would there be any accountability

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Speaker 4: for what the left is doing in this country to

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Speaker 4: get people not just to yell at their TVs, but

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Speaker 4: to actually pick up arms and to try to assassinate

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Speaker 4: the rivals. It is disgusting stuff.

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Speaker 3: You are so right. There's been a remarkable lack of

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Speaker 3: accountability for these Democrats who are spouting the most reckless,

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Speaker 3: inflammatory retrick. If there were two attempts against Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 3: life in as many months, every single Republican, even every

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Speaker 3: single media identity who had been heavily critical of her,

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Speaker 3: would be under scrutiny. The retoric would be questioned, this

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Speaker 3: just isn't happening with Trump, and the fact that the

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Speaker 3: suspects hysterical tweets about Trump mirror what we have seen

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Speaker 3: from Kamala Harris and many others also in the media

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Speaker 3: in politics. In some cases some of it is word

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Speaker 3: for word. And I've got to ask you, Josh, is

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Speaker 3: another attempt against Donald Trump's life? A matter of when,

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Speaker 3: not if? How long can Trump play golf have outdoor rallies.

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Speaker 3: He has been remarkably lucky twice. But as his son

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Speaker 3: Eric remarked, my father is running out of lives here.

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Speaker 3: How many more rifles are going to come within assassination

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Speaker 3: distance of my father? That's what he said, And I'm

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Speaker 3: sure a lot of people are thinking the same thing.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I was getting dinner last night with some friends here

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Speaker 4: in Florida, and the topic of the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 4: election naturally came up, as it often does these days

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Speaker 4: here in the US, and one of my friends said

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Speaker 4: that she thought that Kamala was going to win, and

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Speaker 4: I said that, no, I actually respectfully disagree. I'm not

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Speaker 4: confident in this, but I think that if the election

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Speaker 4: were held tomorrow, I think that Donald Trump would win,

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Speaker 4: which is at my actual stance. And then my friend

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Speaker 4: responded and she said, that's assuming that he's alive. I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's assuming that he is actually on the ballot come

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Speaker 4: November fifth, and that they have not taken him out.

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Speaker 4: You know, Look, Red, I have not personally. I'm the

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Speaker 4: shows that I host or on social media gone ahead

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Speaker 4: and blamed the Secret Service, a FBI, deep state individual

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Speaker 4: actors of sabotage and trying to put don Trump in

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Speaker 4: that position. But I've had many friends who have done

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Speaker 4: that over the past twenty four to forty eight hours,

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Speaker 4: and I have to say I do not blame them,

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Speaker 4: because this is really starting to look like a bit

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Speaker 4: more than a pure coincidence, isn't it. I mean, if

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Speaker 4: the Secret Service is really bogged down by d I hires,

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Speaker 4: which I'm having to believe that it is. You would

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Speaker 4: think that there will be more high profile screw ups

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Speaker 4: on other people other than Donald J.

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Speaker 1: Trump.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's other data points there. If the problem

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Speaker 4: is systemic to the Secret Service, he would not be

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Speaker 4: the only victim of his gross negligence. How many episodes

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Speaker 4: of gross negligence do we have to see in order

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Speaker 4: to conclude that there actually is something perhaps a little

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Speaker 4: bit more perfidious the sinister are going on here on that.

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Speaker 3: First assassination attempt. We have now more explosive revelations about

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Speaker 3: the Secret Service. The New York Post is reporting the

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Speaker 3: agent in charge of the Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: was known to be incompetent and failed a key examination

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Speaker 3: during their federal law enforcement training. This is according to

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Speaker 3: new whistleblower allegations released by Senator Josh Howley.

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Speaker 5: How can the Secret.

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Speaker 3: Service be that incompetent? We've also learned this week their

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Speaker 3: intelligence units were absent from the Butler rally, and even

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Speaker 3: after the shooting, they made enormous errors and not properly

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Speaker 3: securing the hospital where President Trump was receiving treatment. You

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Speaker 3: can understand why people are believe in conspiracy theories. It's

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Speaker 3: hard sometimes to believe you could have this level of incompetence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. And sometimes, as we've often learned

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Speaker 4: in America in the past five to ten years, the

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Speaker 4: line between the conspiracy theory and fact sometimes it's actually

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Speaker 4: quite blurry. I mean, the Left obviously has dismissed any

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Speaker 4: number of things as conspiracy theories, whether it's the lab

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Speaker 4: leak in Wuhan, China, or the Hunter Biden Russian laptop

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Speaker 4: as Russian disinformation, which obviously it was not. You know,

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Speaker 4: so the line does get a little blurry sometimes there.

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Speaker 4: But you know, generally speaking when it comes to the

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Speaker 4: Secret Service. I mean, one of my first thoughts when

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Speaker 4: the when I first heard the news on Sunday was

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think a lot about America's enemies in

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Speaker 4: the world, about China, Russia, Aron. I mean, what a

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Speaker 4: clown show we must look like to our enemies all

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Speaker 4: around the world. At a time when our enemies are

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Speaker 4: have never been more on the march over the past

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Speaker 4: twenty five thirty years. They must look at us and

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Speaker 4: they must just laugh and laugh and laugh. And you

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Speaker 4: know another thing that I was thinking about, you know,

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Speaker 4: the new cycle here in the US is so chaotic,

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Speaker 4: and we're six seven weeks or whatever it is away

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Speaker 4: from a presidential election, so the new cycle moving this

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Speaker 4: quickly is somewhat understandable. But we also moved on from

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Speaker 4: that first assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, very very very quickly,

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Speaker 4: and we still have this congressional task for us where

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Speaker 4: waiting for them to produce any find things. But every

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Speaker 4: time that there is a a near assassination, an assassination

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Speaker 4: attempts on a high profile individual, let alone a president

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Speaker 4: of the United States, every time that happens, and the

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Speaker 4: new cycle just moves on within a few days as

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Speaker 4: if nothing happened and no one's even talking about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, every day that that happens, every instance, God

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Speaker 4: forbid that happens. If it happens again, God forbid. You know,

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Speaker 4: America just gets closer and closer to being a full

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Speaker 4: fledged banana republic. I feel.

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Speaker 7: You are absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: The way they tried to memory hold that assassination attempt,

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Speaker 3: and it was so remarkable in so many ways, the

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Speaker 3: fact that at that last milli second he turned his head,

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Speaker 3: saving his life, and still it came within a couple

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Speaker 3: of centimeters of killing him, and so to have that,

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Speaker 3: have it all captured on video, and then to see

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Speaker 3: the media just move on like it was nothing when

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Speaker 3: they're obsessing about January sixth to this day.

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Speaker 7: It just tells you everything you.

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Speaker 3: Need to know about why trust in the media is

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Speaker 3: at historic Low's Josh and the US media, I think

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Speaker 3: again this week have really disgraced themselves with the way

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Speaker 3: they're covering this second attempt, almost blaming Trump and his

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Speaker 3: supporters for being upset about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't see a whole lot of sadness. Frankly,

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Speaker 4: I don't see a whole lot of regrets. I don't

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Speaker 4: see a whole lot of contemplation or introspection or any

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Speaker 4: kind of just looking in the mirror and asking whether

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Speaker 4: or not you know any of these individuals, whether it's

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Speaker 4: Joy Reid and Jensaki on MSNBC or Joy Behar on

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Speaker 4: The View, or any of these other individuals. You know,

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Speaker 4: I don't see a whole lot of people asking am

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Speaker 4: I partially like like in a small way, and like

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Speaker 4: am I partially to blame from this current noxious atmosphere

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Speaker 4: in American politics? I mean, surely it is not asking

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Speaker 4: too much to ask a bare minimum that we not

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Speaker 4: call for the extermination either literally or proverbially, of the

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Speaker 4: opposing candidate. You know, I was I was watching a

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Speaker 4: clip earlier today of Congressman Dan Goldman, who is in

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Speaker 4: New York City, very left winging Democrat. You know, he

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Speaker 4: actually called verbatim for the elimination of Donald Trump earlier

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Speaker 4: this year. He was talking about this, you know, this

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Speaker 4: Democratic Party propaganda context that Donald Trump is this unmitigative

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Speaker 4: threat to democracy, and he actually said he has to

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Speaker 4: be eliminated. Well, what in the world did you guys

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Speaker 4: think was going to happen? You know, ultimately we are

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Speaker 4: culpable for our own actions. I'm not saying that anyone

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Speaker 4: actually pulled the trigger other than Thomas Crooks and Butler Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: But you also cannot overlook the actual broader context. Those

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Speaker 4: two things have happened to be both true at the

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Speaker 4: same time.

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Speaker 3: I feel, and we're seeing them trying to hold Republicans

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Speaker 3: responsible for these supposed bomb threats in Springfield, Ohio. But

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Speaker 3: you can't hold Democrats responsible for characterizing Trump as a hitler,

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Speaker 3: as a threat to democracy, and then having these acts

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Speaker 3: of violence perpetuated against him.

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Speaker 7: It's bizarre.

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Speaker 3: It's sadly what we've become used to in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammah, thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Reata still to come.

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Speaker 3: The latest on the more A Deeming defamation case against

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Speaker 3: John Pursuitter on what we found out from the seventeen

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Speaker 3: recording played in court today. Welcome back Today, a recording

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Speaker 3: taken by deputy Victorian Liberal leader David Southwick was played

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Speaker 3: in the More Redeeming defamation case against John Pursuito.

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Speaker 10: The court heard.

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Speaker 3: Senior Victorian liberals confronting more Deeming about attending a woman's

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Speaker 3: rights rally which was gate crash by cosplaying neo Nazis.

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Speaker 3: Missus Deming's barrister, Sukrisanthu told the court that her client

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Speaker 3: was subjected to a shocking and prolonged attack. She said,

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Speaker 3: it's a form of what young people call gas lighting.

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Speaker 3: They bullied her.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: This seventy minute recording was captured the day after the protest.

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Speaker 3: Miss Deeming was told by John Pursuito, either you resigned

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Speaker 3: from the Parliamentary party or he would look at a

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Speaker 3: process under the parliamentary rules joining me now is the

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Speaker 3: head of Advocacy at Women's Forum Australia, Stephanie Bastian, Stephanie,

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Speaker 3: This case is underway and we're not making any conclusions

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Speaker 3: or predictions about its outcome, but what can you tell

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Speaker 3: me about what we learned today and how Mura was

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Speaker 3: treated during that process? What we found out from that recording.

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Speaker 10: Well, good evening, Rita and yes, an extraordinary morning in

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Speaker 10: the courtroom. Obviously we haven't heard the defense respond to

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Speaker 10: anything yet, but just on faith value, what you can

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Speaker 10: really see is the bully boy culture that is apparent

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Speaker 10: in the Liberal Party and this is playing out in

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Speaker 10: the Federal Court. And whether it's more Deeming Renee Hea

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Speaker 10: It Cynthia Watson, it really goes to show just how

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Speaker 10: far these people will go to bludgeon their political opponents out.

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Speaker 10: If they don't agree with what their views are, they

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Speaker 10: will try and get rid of them, and they use

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Speaker 10: the press to do so. That's very obvious with this

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Speaker 10: recording and the way that they go about it, and

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Speaker 10: I think that it's good it's being ed because the

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Speaker 10: Liberal Party needs to have a cleanup. Everyone can see

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Speaker 10: this going on. We see these anonymous Liberal sources going

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Speaker 10: through the press raising their concerns. It's very clear, and

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Speaker 10: I think the Liberal Party needs to meet. Perhaps even

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Speaker 10: there needs to be a federal intervention, such as in

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Speaker 10: New South Wales. But what is happening to these female

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Speaker 10: conservative candidates and MPs is very concerning and it needs

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Speaker 10: to change.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Liberal Party, certainly in Victoria, has a problem

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Speaker 3: with conservative women. You've named just a few there, and

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Speaker 3: it's not just the bully boys' tactics, because there's plenty

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Speaker 3: of smaller liberal females within the party who haven't exactly

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Speaker 3: been supportive of more deeming and other conservative women who've

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Speaker 3: at different times found themselves under attack. Now, this decision

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Speaker 3: to go to war with more a Deemis has been

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Speaker 3: extremely costly for John Pursuto, for the Victorian Libs, for

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Speaker 3: the Federal Libs. You could argue it's been a distraction.

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Speaker 3: Are we going to see it at the conclusion of

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Speaker 3: this case, perhaps a change in policy. Will this be

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Speaker 3: a bit of an awakening that this is actually an

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Speaker 3: issue in the community and they've been on the wrong

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Speaker 3: side of history with it. They've allowed Labor and the

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Speaker 3: Greens to set the agenda without challenge.

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Speaker 10: Well, I certainly hope so, and I think This really

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Speaker 10: shows the issues when you have a leadership team within

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Speaker 10: five kilometers of each other in.

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Speaker 7: The tram tracks.

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Speaker 10: Kamoira's views are supported within the community, particularly in the

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Speaker 10: Western suburbs. I mean, you go to the last statelection,

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Speaker 10: the biggest swings to the Liberal Party were in the

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Speaker 10: Western suburbs where twenty percent labor strongholds went to ten

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Speaker 10: percent or five percent. The biggest swings were in these

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Speaker 10: multicultural communities that are being ignored by labor And in

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Speaker 10: terms of women's forum, Australia imported councils dealing with issues

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Speaker 10: such as private spaces like change rooms and bathrooms in

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Speaker 10: the community and this impacts multiculturals and ethnic minority groups

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Speaker 10: who have very strict rules on privacy in the way

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Speaker 10: that men and women interact in those private spaces. I

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Speaker 10: mean even in terms of your private school scenarios. Mums

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Speaker 10: are very concerned about the fact that their daughters are

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Speaker 10: sharing dormitories and bathrooms with teenage boys who are identifying

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Speaker 10: as girls. This is a widespread issue and there are

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Speaker 10: plenty of women across the political spectrum who now feel

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Speaker 10: homeless because of the lack of representation, and so this

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Speaker 10: should be an opportunity for the Liberal party to fill

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Speaker 10: that void, and instead they're running for cover, they're hiding.

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Speaker 10: It's political cowardice, and that really played out in the

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Speaker 10: recording that we heard this morning as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's cowardice, but it's also stupidity. It's not recognizing

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Speaker 3: that there is enormous interest in this issue and the

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Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of the people feel unrepresented because you've got

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Speaker 3: every major political party with the radical transactivists as opposed

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Speaker 3: to the mainstream opinion that wants to protect women's only spaces.

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Speaker 3: And that's what that rally was about. It was about

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Speaker 3: women's rights. Stephanie Bastian, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 3: time this evening.

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Speaker 7: That's it from me.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow and I don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Newsnight is up next