WEBVTT - Conversations with Cornesy - Des Tuddenham 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.000 Good and welcome to conversations. Really excited about today's guests 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.640 because I love talking to old footballers and legends of 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.119 the game from maybe from another year, played against this 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.320 guy in state games. He's a legend of the Collingwood 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.720 Football Club, captain of the Collingwood Footy Club and Collingwood 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.320 Team of the Century. In the Australian Football Hall of Fame, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.720 Dere's Tuddenham joins us studdy, how are you? 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.079 Yeah, good Grahame, thank you? 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.479 How are you going these days? What's what's happening in 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:31.400 Tuddenham's life in this day and age. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.440 Well, yeah, I'm still working, still run my scrap metal 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:42.120 business here in Melbourne, still doing my training, still enjoying life. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.239 And I got my family and my grandchildren are all 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.400 good and nine grandchildren. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.560 One great gwen daughters or good Grahame. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:57.040 Everything's terrific, in good health and everything's going fine. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.160 You're eighty two and you're still I mean you're if 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.200 you were known as a fitness fanatic. What should what's 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.640 your day look like these days in terms of fitness wise? 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.240 Yeah, you get up a morning and I'm inclined boarding 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.760 to me, I do four hundred sit up to there 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:18.800 in morning. Then I I gave the beach and have 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.840 a run in the sand, I do a Cliver Young shuffle. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:24.760 And have a swim. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.120 And I'll probably go the gym maybe four or five 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.680 times a week. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:29.440 At the boxing gym. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.840 Oh okay. And still you don't know you're not You're 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.280 not getting knocked around though, surely in the boxing gym. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.520 No, No, I do the speedball, I don't. I don't 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:40.240 do the other stuff. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.839 But it's I enjoy it. I'm very lucky. I enjoyed 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.640 my training and it's not a chore for me. I've 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.640 always enjoyed my training and I love being fit. If 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.200 I wasn't fit, I wouldn't have made I wouldn't have 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:52.840 made a league. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.680 Football if I was a bit slower and I had 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:56.480 to get a bit quicker. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.760 How's your body in terms of injuries and things like that? 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.520 Are they knees and ankles? How are they standing up? 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:03.480 Yeah? Pretty good. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:10.200 One had knee replacement and doctor Baller did that and 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.880 it's good. I've had that now for probably six seven years. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.320 And yeah, that's why I run in the sand. You know, 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.280 I'll keep moving anyhow, but no, no otherwise, Yeah, very good. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.519 Can we go back to the start. I'm always intrigued 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.720 a journey that footballers go on from the from the 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.280 early days. Now. You're from a large family, aren't you. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.679 Yeah, one of nine, seven boys and two girls. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.840 From a place called Ross Creek. Can you tell us 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.640 about Ross Creek? 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.760 Ross Creek is just out of ballaratte be for doing 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.680 probably twenty five k's out of Ballarat. We were brought 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:51.480 up on a farm, sheep and cattle and cause milking. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:57.160 Cows in those days and when we're young. My dear mum, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:59.200 she's a wonderful woman. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:05.040 She performed in the sun area many times. And dad 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.320 was a counselor and yeah, they served the community at 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.440 the same time and bringing up nine children, you know. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.400 So we're a very close family and it was a 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.960 wonderful I think what it does is you get up 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.800 the morning, you have to milk the cows and then 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:22.720 you run to school. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.359 And yeah, it's good discipline. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:25.840 And I think that's where it all came from, to 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.760 be honest, and you have wonderful respect for your parents. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.359 See as somebody listened to this then, like a young 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.800 person listening to this would have no idea about milking cows. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.040 Did you do it by hand? 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:38.200 Yeah? We did. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:43.560 Yeah, I'm a twin and my twin brother and I 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.040 I'd get the hard cows and he get the easy ones. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.360 I used to tell him. But yeah, we'd milk by 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.960 your hand. Then we'd carry the milk and separate the milk. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.640 And I think one of the I used to carry 0:03:54.640 --> 0:04:00.160 the milk probably maybe eight hundred meters to the to 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.400 the pig side, and I think it really held my 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.560 shoulders and under. Now you're getting strong as you're walking 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.119 along carrying them carrying the milk buckets. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.520 So of the nine children, where were you in terms 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.120 of on the third last? The third last? So you 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.159 were elder brothers, elder sisters. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.600 Yeah, but yeah, there. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.600 Were seven boys and two sisters one two of them 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.760 passed on and my eldest sister has passed on. So yeah, 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.280 otherwise you know we're still still together fairly well. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.599 See big brothers and notoriously hard on the little brothers. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.000 Did that make you tougher? 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:37.240 Yeah? 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.440 When we actually we always went a mess of Sunday 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.000 and come back home and we have our roast lunch 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.599 with mom and dad and then the seven of us 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.080 to get down have a game with footing and they 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.240 were they were making it very hard for me all 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.279 the time, but it probably was a good lesson and tough. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:53.680 With me up with it. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.080 Were they good footballers? 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.279 Your older brothers, they all played better road football. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.760 And my brother David, he trained at Collingwood and probably 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.360 would have played in the reserves. And yeah, Rose he 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.080 was going to playing, but he did his angle the 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:09.599 follow week. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.320 If he would have made it, I'm sure he would 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.760 have gone on a beautiful. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.039 Left foot kick, and Andy a bit quicker than maybe. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.679 So, so it was just what were your schooling years? 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:20.839 Like? 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.920 You talk about how far away was the school You 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.159 said you run to school? How far it. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.160 Would have been probably two and a half mile. We'd 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.839 run to school and run home up and down the hills. Yeah, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:34.560 it was a good grounding. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.240 What was school footy? 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:36.440 Like? 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.240 We were dominant as a kid. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.520 We only only played very very limited amount of football 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.520 then and we'd play maybe two or three matches a year. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.960 But yeah, and I used to play some half back 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.120 and then, so yeah, it was okay. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.360 But probably when I started with the WU in battle 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.279 Rat that that's where I started to you know, I 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.000 didn't I didn't really start foot well until I was 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.200 probably thirteen and a half, for before I started playing 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:05.960 real competitive football. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.400 Now there's a story that five of your brothers played 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.200 in the same cricket team. Is that was that right? 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.200 We did? Yes? I used to open the bowling and 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:15.320 come in last for bedding. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.360 What's of bawl? Yeah? 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.039 I played the country ree cricket in nineteen sixty one 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:22.240 before I came to Collywood. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.400 And it's interesting, Graham went. I went and played country 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:26.920 rear cricket. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.560 We played at Collingwood this particular day and I think 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.680 we played Wangaretta and after the game, of course there 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.360 was Ken Hans and Noel McMahon and Bobby Skilton all 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:38.440 came to see me that day. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.360 And of course Collywood got. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.120 An interest the same well you must be you know 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.960 want and played bleue footy. So of course I buried 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.599 for Collywood and I went up in the rooms and 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.680 met Ray Aperton and Murray Whedham and so that was 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:55.119 a thrill. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.000 And they came to the farm on the Sunday and my. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.400 Gordon, carl On and Jack Burns and we're dipping sheep 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.159 and dad, my mom come in, said the people from 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.320 Collingwood to see you this and and Dad said, tell 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:10.440 them to come back next week. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:11.280 We're dipping sheep. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.520 He came back next week. What's the story about the 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.200 Carlton footy club? You could? You would have signed for Carlton. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.920 With hands came to the farm and he came to 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:26.360 the farm. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.960 And when we finished chatting with mom and dad and 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.800 he came to the out of the car. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.520 I went out of the car to see. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.880 Him off, and in the in the boot of the 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.360 carry had four brand new footballs and I said, can 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.520 give me those footballs? And I was signed for Carlton. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.040 He said no, these were training tomorrow night. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:46.280 They didn't do. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.480 So for four for four footballs that cost you your signature. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:52.760 Yeah, exactly. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.280 So Collingwood came along obviously, can you did you get 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.400 a signing on fee or can you remember? 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.920 No? No, what they did? 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.400 Jack Burns came to home the following week and I 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.240 signed and they paid me paid me one shilling a 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.840 mile to drive from Ballarat to Melbourne to compensate me. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.920 Petroel, what do you was that? 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.800 That's a nineteen six coming on to nineteen sixty two. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.160 Okay, so one shilling a mile? Have we hamm is 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:21.840 sixty or seventy miles, isn't it? 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.200 Here is about eighty two eighty five miles. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.880 So I was getting it more money playing driving up 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.320 and back than I wasn't playing football. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.800 There's Touttenham's my guess. We'll take a break, We'll get 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.160 him started on this illustrious footy career back shortly. My 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.400 guest on conversation today is there's Touttenham. The AFL great 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.320 or VFL great in those VFL days. Legend at Collingwood 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.560 if you just tuned in, he grew up on a 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.640 farm with one of nine kids, signs with Collingwood. They're 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.600 going to pay him a shilling a mile to drive 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.880 from Ballarat or ross Creek down to the training. Can 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:02.640 you you remember your first training session at Collingwood? 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:03.840 Yes, I do. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.760 And I went to training and I ran on the 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.520 Grand and Graham fellows and was running around the ground 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.280 and I joined in with Graham and we did a 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:17.080 couple of lefts with the Grand fellows and yeah, so 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:19.360 I remember that night. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:20.800 Of course, was Mary Gia and all. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:25.960 Those players here and Billy Saroon and told Merriton, you know, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.560 they were all at the club, and of course I've 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.040 become oh Harry Collier become great friends with him. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:34.800 So that period of. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.000 Time there with Collingwood here and Fonts kind of course 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:37.800 was coach at that. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.240 Time, Great Fonts kind Murray Wham of course, settled into 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.559 how Australia has very good friends to a lot of 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.640 us over here. What was it like meeting him because 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.880 he wasn't really he was an absolute star at the time, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:51.480 wasn't he. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.520 He was great, lady, wonderful player. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.920 I played my first well I did play my first 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.320 game at North Melbourne of four game. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.559 I sat in the bench at for long, but then 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:03.480 I got a game. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.360 And Murray with him. You know, he's so helpful to you. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.760 You tell you where to push your body and get 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.400 in and you know I was lucky enough. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.880 To first kick him in lead football. I kicked the goal. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.440 So that was the North Melbourne So that Murray was, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.439 you know in those times it was a great leader. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.640 And fitness wise, no, no good. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.400 Were You're always a fitness fanatic. I mean you're renown 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.880 in your time as a player and when you coached 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.160 and now you're renowned as a fitness fanatic. But when 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.920 when did that start to develop. When did you realize 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.080 you could push yourself a bit harder than what was 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.240 normally expected on a training track. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.600 Well in after my first year in sixty two and 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.240 Jack Burns, yeah, Jack Byrne said come to me and said, look, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:54.680 you son. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.079 You're going to get quicker. You're too slow. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.480 If you don't if you don't do that the training, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:02.400 I don't think you'll make it, you know. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.199 So it was good advice. And I went back to Ballarat. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.440 And because I was playing cricket then and with Rex Hollyoat. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.560 Do you know the Hollyoak family is a great cricketing family. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.040 We just lost next. He was a great example of 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:22.240 fitness and leadership. But then I started running with Belle Stewart. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.520 I took it, gave our cricket and took on foot 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.360 running and to get faster, get quicker, and which I loved. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.439 And so Bell Sewart was enormous help to me in 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:33.960 bellaratte So he's. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.199 Was here an athletics coach, was he? 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.359 He He was a professional coach here part tom of course. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.280 But in those days, but and then I started doing 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.080 professional running, the pro running. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.120 I did the circuit with the bell and. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.480 I run the four hundreds and the half miles, and yeah, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.760 that was a difference. It made an enormous difference and 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.199 my game and my fitness. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.280 Want you won a few of those races, didn't you? 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:58.000 I did? 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.000 I did, yeah, And then I won the Wangaretta, I 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.560 won the four hundred, eight hundred and the mile. So 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.840 I finished up when that time I ran four twenty 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.200 for a mile, which is pretty good. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.520 Oh wow, A bit of skullduggery goes on the pro 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.640 running now in terms of betting and the like. Did 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.480 you get involved in any of that sort of stuff, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:20.720 Not me personally. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.480 And then then when I came to Melbourne, I joined 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:29.160 through John Tolman, a great mate. I got the opportunity 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.320 to train with Bill Mitchell with Bob Skilton train for 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.960 many years and Bill was renowned for his unique fixing 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.960 your players and injuries and all that in South Melbourne. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.360 And I got to training with him with and that 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.080 was that was fantastic. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.760 You started in sixty two at Collingwood, you won the 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.520 best and first in sixty three. Tell us about that. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.640 She's so much potential at Collingword, but they didn't win 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:01.079 the premiership in those years. What what was the problem, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:01.760 do you think. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.680 Well, I sixty two, of course, and then I had 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.560 that year, and then sixty three was fons Coin and 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:09.280 Fonse was. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.160 You know he was he was on the old traditional guys. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.960 You'd have to that that asked for everyone be quiet, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.360 and he'd stand up on a still an address you 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.440 with his take his hat off. You know that was 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.720 that was a tradition, sitting in your spots on the ground. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:29.960 Then of course Bob Roys came in sixty four, and yeah, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.320 Bob was. You know, we got us going and a 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.319 good team work. But I think my opinion is all 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.280 the way through that we collectively weren't fit enough. Bob 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.839 was a great man, a great coach and a good tacticianist, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.280 but he wouldn't train the players hard enough, in my opinion. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.360 You know, you said train and then I'd go past 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.760 Richmond and then I'd go and run the Botenda gardens. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.080 You know, I run eighteen miles there after training. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.880 Tell us about Bobby Riise, I mean, I don't think 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.520 I've ever ever met the man, but everything I read 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.959 about him and hear about him is so glying as 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.160 a as a person. I mean, you talk about the 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.160 fact that he didn't train your hard enough. But just 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.319 tell us a bit more about him, because he I mean, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.760 he had to suffered terribly when his son was injured 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.560 later in life. But give us, give us a snapshot 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:20.360 of Bobby Rose. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.000 Well, Bob Rose was. He was loyal. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.560 He of course he loved Collingwood, being a great player himself. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.320 He was an outstanding footballer. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.800 It was fair you played for him, and you know, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.720 I would love to see him. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.480 I used to say that would come some on, you know, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.160 give me a free and he said I can't do that, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.080 but I wanted to say, look, the other players don't know. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.160 But you know he was that. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:53.240 He was a kind man and yeah, and overall he was. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.720 He was very unlucky, he was. He had his foot 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.880 on then till every time. You know, in sixty four 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.480 when Ray Gabig's friend in the ground and actually kicked 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.000 the ball to Gabbo that day when he was bouncing 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:08.280 the ball and he nearly lost it about five time game. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.720 But it's legendary. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.760 Yeah. And then he said to me about I think 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.880 end of season fifty said I I realized, He said, 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.080 I hope I was running the right way. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.600 Well, he said, like a real character. Tell us about 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.440 some of those characters, of those of those eras. I mean, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.840 that's the sixties when footy was. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.200 Oh yeah, of course you had you had ray Ya, 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.320 which he was. It was a great star, you know. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.520 And when when I his come to Collywood and he 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:43.080 had players like in the sixties he had Lorrie Hill 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.880 and Kenny turn and played with us and Errol Hutchinson 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.840 and and of course he had Big Jobber, great Gray 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.640 gablish Aud Graham, Fellows Graham. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.520 They called him job because of his elbows or whatever. 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:01.320 But yeah, they were great, great, great players, you know, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.000 great icons around Collingwood, you know. But my first time 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.600 there and we lost Maryweedam and in the end of 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.000 sixty three and he went coaching up at Aulbry. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:16.080 But had we kept him, you know, the club should 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:16.640 have kept him. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.520 And I think that's one thing over the years that 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.800 Collingwood the administration was really strong enough to hold. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.680 Their great players. And the amount of money went he 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:27.320 got up there. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.880 We could have doubled the money at Collingwood at that time, 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.360 but they didn't do it. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.000 They did him go. And if he had played in 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.840 sixty four, with doubt we would have. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:39.640 Won sixty six, of course, the one point lost to Securita. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.840 What were your emotions like that after that? 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.800 Yeah, of course when you lose the game, but of 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.000 course when your captain. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.920 And I played well in the second semi and not 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.200 not boasting, but I did kick seven from the flank 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:54.680 that day. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.720 And then of course I knew they were. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.400 Going to tag me with someone and I wanted to 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.640 play in the center on Ian Stewart and Bob Rose 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.280 would let me. But yeah, well I had the ball, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.960 we hit, we hit the front and then you know 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.879 we're surely we're going to hang on here. But of 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.879 course the ball went down and Barry Breen and Potter 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.720 were contesting the ball and they gave Brien no no, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.240 they balled up, you know, but I still think pot 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:23.680 of market. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.960 But then again it's it's but in here. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.639 Briene kicked it and then I was running down the 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.400 ground and I had one. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.080 More bands probably I shoot for goal, and. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.159 And I kicked it down by Murray and Ian Graham 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.040 and by Murray marked it and kicked it out and 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.080 the winging the sron went. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.119 So yeah, it was really disappointing. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.040 Yeah, probably the most famous point in Barefield history that 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.000 point of Barry Barry brains and then that's the only 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.680 flag they've ever won. That's amazing when you think about it. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.400 Yeah, it is so. Yeah, I think even caboy Neil 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.800 that day. I think I know that Breen gets all 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.680 the all the praise for it. Kevil Nil kicked five goals. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.360 He is a great player. And yeah, so I think 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.200 that's a very unique photo too, gram which we dropped. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.000 We swap jumpers and bulldog and I bulldogs in the 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.600 colle jumper with thick cap, which amazing. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.280 Have you still got that jumper? 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:18.919 Yes, I have. 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.560 You've got Darryl Bolldock's Securita jumper. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.760 Well, I put it this way, I had it and 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.000 that and a friend of mine turned forward and she 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.560 was man man Seld. I gave him the jumper and 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.000 she had the wisdom to give it to Seculda. It's 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:39.119 in the museum there now. And Bullock before we pass away, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.199 he sent a jump my jumper back to me and 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:43.199 I have my jumper. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.120 Oh well that's great. The famous fight of people haven't 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.080 seen it. You've swapped jumpers sett in the cup and 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.240 I love those stories. Des Tuttenham is my guest folks, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.639 we'll take a break back shortly. Welcome back to conversations everybody. 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.960 If you just tuned in, we're chatting with Des Tuttenham. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.440 Des Tuddenham, one of the legends of the Collingwood Football 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.879 Club and member of the Australian Football Hall of Fame. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.000 Young fellow grew up in just outside of Ballarad and 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.600 one of nine kids in a family, comes down and 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.280 plays for the team. He barrick for Collingwood. Was captain 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.600 of Collingwood and the sixty six Grand Final when they 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.199 lost by a point to Saint Kilda. You were captain 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.240 for a couple of years, Des, But tell us about 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.960 the being widely reported, of course, but tell us about 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.119 the wage dispute that you and Len Thompson had with 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:31.439 the club, can. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.120 You He had elaborate and that was nineteen sixty nine, 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.080 end of the nineteen sixty nine and I had a 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.920 solicitor and at the time he was managing Bob Skilton 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:47.320