WEBVTT - The Media Show | 18 April 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.640 Good evening and welcome to the media show. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.800 I'm Caleb Bond. Here's what's coming up tonight. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.840 The ABC accused of yet again misleading viewers in a 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.040 military story, and a senator takes aim over their profile 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.680 piece on Bob Katter, Big story from CNN. They say 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.400 they don't hate America. Huge news if it's true, and 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.160 we will someone call out the six hundred billion dollar 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.600 figure that Labour keeps ascribing to the coalition's plan for 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.120 nuclear energy. But first, the ABC, as I said before, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.680 this week, cleared itself of wrongdoing over a complaint that 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.800 a Four Corners report made it look like the construction 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.519 noise could be heard over the last post at the 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.919 Australian War Memorial. The episode, hosted by journalist Mark Willisy, 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.040 was broadcast last month and was critical of the War 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.400 Memorial's five hundred million dollar expansion. James Willis reported in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.080 the Daily Telegraph this week that the War Memorial had 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.280 lodged an official complaint with the ABC over the episode, 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.280 and specifically the bit where the last post is played 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.640 over the top of construction noise. The Australian War Memorials 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.759 director Matt Anderson told The Telly that they had quote 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.600 a stop work order since twenty twenty to prevent construction 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.520 noise from disrupting commemorative ceremonies, including the daily Last Post ceremony. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.800 At best, it was remarkably insensitive to all for whom 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.640 the sounding of the last Post is a most solemn 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.880 act and tribute. At worst, it appears it was a 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.440 deliberate edit to mislead the audience. This is the part 0:01:33.440 --> 0:02:18.200 of the program to which he refers. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.960 The inheritors of Charles Bean's simple solemn vision are now 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:15.840 massively expanding the memorial. This place of commemoration is also 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:35.639 a construction site. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.200 Now what you saw there was multiple pieces of footage 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.480 edited together. The construction footage was not filmed at the 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.639 same time as the last Post or the footage showing 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.440 mister Willisey, and I don't suggest that it was deliberately 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.160 edited to make it look like construction was going on 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.040 while the Last Post was playing, but I do think 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.400 many viewers would have had that impression. The ABC doesn't 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.240 seem to agree, though, because it's Ombardsman, which is an 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.359 internal reviewer of complaints, not an external ombardsman. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:08.680 As you might think. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.400 Found that quote the episode did not suggest that construction 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.440 noise from the development site had disrupted a last post ceremony. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.000 We think that four corners is correct that no reasonable 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:24.560 viewer would interpret this series of scenes as a continuous sequence. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.080 Even a viewer who might have got the impression that 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.760 the recording of the last post was live audio from 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.639 the ceremony in the first or second scene would have 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.760 understood that it was then borrowed quote unquote as a 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:42.040 unifying musical soundtrack for the following, related but separate scenes. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.400 Again, you saw the footage. I'll let you be the judge. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.880 And of course, this isn't the first time the ABC 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.200 has been caught in a scandal over the editing of 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:55.120 a military related story by mister Willacy. You'll recall that 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.640 last year we found out the ABC edited extra gunshots 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.040 into footage in a story that suggested Commando Heston Russell 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.480 committed war crimes in Afghanistan. Well after This network's Chris 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.960 Kenny discussed the war memorial story this week and also 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.720 mentioned the previous story by mister Willersey, the ABC sent 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.839 a complaint to Sky News claiming his comments were reputationally 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:22.000 damaging to mister Willersey and the Four Corners team. The ABC, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.960 I think should be more concerned with the accuracy of 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.680 its programs and how they're presented to viewers, rather than 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:36.520 firing off complaints to those who question them. Sjoining me 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.480 on the panel this week Skarn News contributor Kel Richards 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.040 and the man I was just talking about James Willis 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.880 of the Daily Telegraph, and I'll start with you, James 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.080 Cracker Yarn. Of course that you broke this week, But 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.560 the ABC says there is no problem here. Do you 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:56.239 buy the idea that a reasonable viewer, no reasonable viewer, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.719 they say, would have got the impression that the last 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.240 post was interfered with by construction Laise. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:05.800 Well, Caleb. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.440 For everyone that I've shown this footage to over the 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:13.680 last few days, both in media in private political figures, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:14.880 they've all been of. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.640 The view that at the very least it. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:23.120 Was an insensitive act to have anything playing over the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.960 sacred bugle call of the last Post, and so to 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.200 have the construction running over the top was certainly insensitive. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.360 But on the wider issue, this was. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:37.560 A one hour program that largely focused on critics of 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.800 the five hundred million dollar expansion of the War Memorial, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:42.640 which involves the building of. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.000 A new ANZAC hall. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.359 And there are some people that have been involved with 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.720 the warm memorial previously in fairness that are opposed to this, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.479 and they were big subjects of this ABC program. But 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.120 given that the program was about the redevelopment and some 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.720 of the issues around that, I certainly thought, looking at 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.719 this on first glance that it was clear to me 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.160 that they'd tried to indicate there was construction going on 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.720 over the last post ceremony. Now the ABC has investigated 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.520 four Corners. The way the Ombudsman works, as they make 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.839 inquiries to four Corners, they have a look at what 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.279 went to wear and then they make a decision. And 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.680 in this case they've said, look, four Corners has no 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:26.680 case to answer. But yes, the Ombudsman receives thousands of 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.599 complaints relating to ABC content every year. In twenty twenty 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.599 three twenty four they upheld just two percent, and there's 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.599 always going to be that concern about the ABC Ombardsman. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.640 They claim they're independent, but I think the way they 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.240 deal with the teams internally would indicate that people can 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.360 make up their own minds about where those findings are. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.520 I've heard the argument they mark their own homework before 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.600 the ABC rejects that. But there's certainly been stories, and 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.280 the Heston Russell one was another one. Keep in mind 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.040 the ABC also had to remove several Heston Russell stories 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.080 from the end after he successfully sued the public broadcaster 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.960 in twenty twenty three. That cost tax pays at least 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.680 a million dollars in the federal court in legal fees 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.200 and costs. And that was all because the ABC had 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.360 made a mistake back in twenty twenty and refused to apologize, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.200 refused to take the story down, and so eventually three 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.800 four years later, mister Russell went to court, one judgment 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.240 and finally the ABC took action over what was a 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.679 shocking error on that story. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.920 And I just I don't understand Kell, and we've talked 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.240 about this before, how no one in the editing of 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.240 that program looked at that and went, oh, I think 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.200 maybe it makes it look like the last post is 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.120 being interfeed with by constructions. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.480 It's not looked at by one person. It's not just 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.160 the editor in the editing booth and the reporter. It's 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.000 the producer of the segment. It's the executive producer of 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.280 the program. These things are looked at many times. Now, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.240 it seems to me, as James was saying, they had 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.720 an agenda, and their agenda was they were going to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.280 take side of the people who posted the development. Now, 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.600 whether it's a good development or a bad development is 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.280 beside the point. They appeared to me to be taking 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.960 a line and running that line, and that. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.720 Was controlling too many decisions. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.640 Hence it may not be a manipulation, but it looks 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.440 like manipulation. Now, if I sat there in the editing 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.920 move at the ABCN making current affair stories, when you 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.320 cut from one scene to another, why do you keep 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.840 the sound of the music from one scene running over 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.400 the next scene for as long as it ran. That 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.120 makes no logical sense. And if you were doing a 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.360 balanced story, you would have got rid of it because 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.800 that was about the ceremony. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.280 This is about the construction. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.840 So no, I mean, we've got to remember the ABC 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.640 claimed in the Heston Russell case that five gunshots accidentally 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.280 fell onto the soundtrack from the sort of woodwork or something. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.000 The other problem with this is the one that James 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.640 pointed to, which is the Ombospen system. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.240 There's something wrong there. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.160 You've got an internal internal. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:05.280 System that's right. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.200 So what you need to do is to cut money 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.800 out of the ABC's budget and set up a separate 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.200 unit which will say we will independently check the ABC. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.280 I know what would happen. Whoever, the independent ombos would 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.760 suddenly discover they got no cooperation with the ABC whatsoever. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.800 That's what we could possibly have, that could we now. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.600 I think it's been a pretty boring election campaign so far, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.520 but we had a little bit of intrigue this week 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.319 when Peter Dutton's twenty year old son Harry, fronted a 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.080 pressor on Monday to say he was struggling to see 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.480 how he could afford to buy a home. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.600 I am saving up for a house and so is 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.680 my sister back and a lot of my mates. But 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.960 as you've probably heard, it's almost impossible to get in. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.360 And it's a fair point to make. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.040 House values are now sixteen and a half times the 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.360 average annual income, compared to nine times at the turn 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.000 of the century. But of course, Harry Dutton isn't just 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.440 some ordinary kid off the street. He's the son of 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.240 the opposition leader who happens to have made tens of 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:05.200 millions of dollars by trading property so predictably, the senior 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.480 Dutton was asked about this. As one reporter put it 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.040 to him on Monday, why won't you support him a 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.240 bit and give him a bit of help to get 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.320 into the housing market, And it quickly became the headline 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.120 across many outlets, essentially suggesting that it was stupid for 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.760 a rich man's kid to say he can't afford a 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.960 house and that his dad ought to punt up some money. Now, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.119 mister Dutton dodged that question on Monday, but he clarified 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.400 the next day that he probably would help his son. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.800 Will you help them if they're saving for a deposit 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.880 and proving to be a good financial financially responsible. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.920 Kids, And I think our households are no different to 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.640 many households, where you want our kids to work hard 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.360 to save and will help them with a deposit at 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:46.840 some stage. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.400 But now it was bad media strategy from Dutton and 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.280 his team that they should have anticipated that that question 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:53.840 would come. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.080 But surely the point is that you. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.920 Shouldn't have to rely on the bank of mum and 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.880 dad to buy a home. Pointing out that mister Dutton 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.400 could afford to help his kids isn't quite the gotcha. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.080 Some journalists might think it is James. I mean, I 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.800 found it astounding that the media, of certain sections of 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.320 the media anyway, seemed to be turning around and suggesting 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.840 that intergenerational wealth is the best way to get into 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:19.760 the housing market. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:28.000 Well, I can understand where and look, I sort of 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.280 feel Caleb that he did leave himself open to some 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.000 criticism here by pulling that stunt and putting his son 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.800 up for the press conference. But I also thought, and 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.800 not for the first time in this campaign, that he 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.160 was treated very unfairly by the press pack And there's 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.240 been multiple examples of this where they've hit him with 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:51.400 some very very I think unfair questions, And this was 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:52.200 the kind of thing. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.160 You can understand. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.240 There's a perception with some people in Australia that Peter 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.240 Dutton doesn't have that friendly or you know sometimes times, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.040 that family or that human element, so they're trying to 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.480 humanize him by bringing his family involved. I didn't really 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.640 have a problem with it, and I think, yeah, you're right, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.840 like we shouldn't have to rely on the bank of 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.160 mum and dad. But guess what most people do. I did, 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.280 to an extent, my brothers did to an extent. Most 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.440 of my friends did to an extent to get in 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.439 the door. And so for Peter Dunton to come out 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.160 and say that is fine. Now, that doesn't mean you 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.760 have to link back to his property portfolio or anything else. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.880 I think it was a nice moment and I thought 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.880 the way that the press responded to that was was 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:31.880 quite unfair. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.440 In my view over the last few. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.440 Days, I think he should have more of his family 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.760 on the campaign trail, to be honest. Now, earlier I 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.559 gave the ABC wrap over the knuckles, but now I'm 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.440 going to defend them because apart from the reporting on 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.240 the Australian War Memorial, they also came under fire this 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.720 week for broadcasting an episode of Australian Story on Bob Catter. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.599 Got ninety seconds seven Today we've got to one you 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:01.360 can too, So Lisa, you can't do it. I'm Bob's 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.280 chief of staff and I've been his chief of staff 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.440 for the last three years. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.040 Your speech is on the can itself. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.720 No no, no, no no. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.920 So he makes me very stressed at times. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:14.240 He makes me. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.200 Exasperated at times. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.520 You need to start preparing now because we're. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:21.240 Going to run out of time. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.480 My sisters and I have all worked for Dad at 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.520 some point or another, and we call it doing time. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.600 It was a wide ranging documentary about the father of 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.080 the House, his five decades in politics and his personal life. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.280 It was a great portrait of someone who's dedicated himself 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:38.120 to public life. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:39.839 But not everyone liked it. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.800 Ell In p Senator Susan McDonald said it breached the 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.960 ABC's editorial standards. She said, quote, it's my understanding that 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.800 the piece was going to be used as a tribute 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.640 to Bob because they believed he was retiring when it 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:52.760 became apparent. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:53.160 That he wasn't. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.880 To do an Australian story on somebody who's running for 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.880 election is not a level playing field. I don't see 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.200 them rectifying that by featuring the other candidates. It's an 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.600 extraordinary decision by the ABC to use taxpayers money to 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.920 feature one politician who's up for election. That doesn't meet 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.160 the sniff test of what is a fair and equitable 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.079 representation of the political landscape in that location and use 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.840 of taxpayers money. It fails editorial balance and impartiality. The 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.080 Board of the ABC should be examining how that decision 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:23.560 was made. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:24.600 Now. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.080 Look, I know the ABC might have a bent against 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.440 the coalition, but I don't think Bob Catter is exactly 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.520 their flavor either, And he's been the member for Kennedy 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.160 since nineteen ninety three. He had sixty three percent of 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:43.080 the two party preferred vote in twenty twenty two election interference. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.560 This is not and to pretend it is, frankly, I 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.920 think is desperate. I mean, look, the ABC commits many 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.400 sins kill, but I'm not sure this is. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.479 What look largely on your side. Three quick points. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.840 The first is if it was any other candidate in 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.320 a two candidate contest at the time of the election 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.760 for seat X, then running a profile on one and 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:04.960 not on the other would be wrong. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.040 But as you say, it's Bob Catter. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.920 Bob Catter has been the member for Kennedy since Noah 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.480 was a small boy. In fact, I think it was 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.800 Catter who heard the knocking on the inside of the 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.960 door of the ark and opened it to let out 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.760 the animals and Noah and his family. So he's really safe. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.080 He's going to be re elected now. Having said that, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.280 so that's okay. I still think it would have been 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.320 an intelligent decision to say let's wait till after the 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.720 third of May. Let's put this episode back till after 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.600 the election is over. He's going to be re elected, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.680 right the chance of anyone beating him. There are two charges, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.200 either Buckley's or none, so he's not going to be beaten. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.920 He'll be re elected after May. Third runner then I 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.720 think that would have been an intelligent and. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.920 Thoughtful choice perhaps, So look well, look at the result afterwards, 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:51.760 and we'll see how much the ABC you had to 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:52.120 do with it. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.480 Kel Richards, James Willis, thank you so much for. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.240 Joining me tonight after the break, c and ends it 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.120 doesn't hate America and could meant to be forced to 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.480 break up its behemoth social media empire. All the news 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:12.880 from the American media in just a moment now just 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.640 thousand gripes. And in the United States this week, c 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.440 and N felt the need to clarify that he does 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:19.560 not hate America. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.520 For the record, since we heard President Trump say in 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:29.000 the Oval Office that CNN hates our country, CNN does 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.200 not hate our country. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.040 That should go without saying. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.480 It should go without saying. They say, well, all the 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.200 type breaking news. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:43.480 We live in a racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, anti Semitic country. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.600 Everything they're doing runs against making America great. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:47.880 Well, it was never great, so I'm not going to 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.480 say the agampart but making America great. President Trump will 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.600 be at Mount Rushmore, where he'll be standing in front 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.400 of a monument of two slave owners and on land 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:01.080 wrestled away from Native Americans, told that be focusing on 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.439 the effort to quote tear down our country's history. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.720 They strongly believe, these human smugglers that this is their 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.040 chance to enter the United State, this is their chance 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.960 of the American dream. That's why they risk everything only 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.479 to find out that it's all alive. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.400 We got our freedom, our quote unquote freedom, we were 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.800 never restored whole, which is why you hear about reparations. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.520 So until the United States atones for that and makes 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.080 good on that, we're still living in a racist country. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.919 You can see why it's hard to beat the allegations. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.639 And this is the thing about left wing media outlets. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.720 They hide behind the fact that they exist in Western 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.879 countries and serve people in Western countries. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.760 To say it's stupid to suggest. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.360 They would hate those countries, And they may not fundamentally 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.399 hate the country. I assume they don't hate the land. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.280 But what they do hate is the foundations of the country, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.480 the fact the country exists as it does, and the 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.800 fact that it is the result of colonialism. They hate 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.480 the economic systems that under in the country, the freedoms 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.480 that we enjoy, because that gets in the way of 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.440 their socialist dreams. They may not hate the country per se, 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.720 but they hate everything that characterizes the culture of the country. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.479 Joining me to discuss this and plenty more this week 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:20.000 from the US is Kosher Gata Kosher. It's extraordinary, isn't 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.520 it when I Television network hates to clarify now, we 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.159 don't actually hate the country we operated. 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.000 It really is just back and think that that is 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.800 something she felt the need to say on the air. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.479 There are a lot of contradictions here, Caleb. I think 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.480 you've set it up perfectly where they don't hate the country, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.840 but they do hate everything that makes up the country 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.840 in terms of the foundational principle as the culture of 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.800 the system. They may not hate the land, the physical land, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.240 but then they don't really believe that it's American land. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.000 A lot of them, I'm not talking about Dana bash 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:52.760 in particular, but a lot of them, you know, they 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.720 go back to who the land belongs to and first 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.320 nations and all of that which is sweeping around the world. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.000 And they certainly don't hate freeze speech. They love it 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.920 as is their right to air all sorts of people 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.160 and characters, which is what you played in that mash 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.000 up over there of the kinds of things that their 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.680 guests and contributors say. But they have many, many instances 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.879 where they have either criticized other people exercising free speech 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.440 or very quick to censor and deplatform others. So lots 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.240 of contradictions, but that's the world in which we live in. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.520 It does show up in the numbers, that is the 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.760 big picture. Whereas CNN wants the pioneer of twenty four 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.240 to seven news and its heyday was getting millions of 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.320 viewers and now it's down to half a million and 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.440 sort of like a melting ice cube where that decline 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.240 continues and will for the foreseeable future. 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.680 Yeah, well, perhaps people don't want to be served up 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.640 the fact that the people they're watching don't like their country. 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.120 And another interesting thing this week, Mark Zuckerberg and met 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.760 have been going through an anti trust court case this week. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.920 He's a report that we had earlier in the week 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.600 from Peter Stefanovic. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.160 Well Mark Zuckerberg, He's returned to court for day two 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.480 have met his anti E T TRUS trial, which could 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.120 lead to the parent company breaking away from Instagram and WhatsApp. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.639 The tech giant will defend claims it holds a social 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:13.000 media monopoly, accused by Donald Trump's Trade Commission of neutralizing 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.679 its competitors. It's understood the Facebook founder has lobbied the 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.920 US President in recent weeks to have the case dropped. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:21.679 Now kosher. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.880 This is centered around Mark Zuckerberg's purchases of Instagram and 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.560 WhatsApp and whether the company ought to be broken up. 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.640 What exactly is this case about and what's the latest. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.800 Yes, so it is an anti trust case, and antitrust 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.960 in general has been certainly gaining momentum in the past 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.159 five six years in the US. In this case, this 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.720 has been brought by the FTC. There are similar cases 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.320 being brought against Google and Amazon by state attorneys general, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.719 by the Department of Justice, by the SEC. All around 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.399 that being of antitrust, which is that alleging that they 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.080 have engaged in very anti competitive behaviors buying up where 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.439 they've got seventy eight d ninety percent market share in 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.200 the places in which they play, and doing what they 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.840 call this buy or bury strategy, where if they can't 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.919 outcompete a company, they're so big that they can just 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.320 acquire them and become even more powerful. And antitrust law 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.840