1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: From The Australian. This is the weekend edition of the Front. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. They're the topics at the heart of 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: the most intense water cooler wars, best TV shows, best movies. 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: And best songs. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: But how can you really compare Succession to Bluey, or 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: Parasite to Barbie or what defines the best anyway? The 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: whole concept is, of course flawed and ridiculous, but maybe 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: that's what makes it so much fun. The Australian's Culture editor, 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: Milanda Route is my guest today Succession is the best 10 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: TV show of all time. That might be a controversial, 11 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: but it's what the Australians experts have decided in our 12 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Culture section's list of the best twenty five shows of 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: the past twenty five years. To be fair, Milanda, do 14 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: you think Succession is the best TV show of the 15 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: past twenty five years? 16 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: I do. I think it's just so brilliantly staged. The 17 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: acting is extraordinary, the scriptwriting is phenomenal, and the swearing 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: just you can't go past. What's your favorite moment in Succession? 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: I love the kind of group scenes where they're all 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: in rooms. There's a fantastic one where they're on a 21 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: yacht somewhere deciding who's going to take the fall for 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: an issue that's coming up in Congress. I mean, I 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: think the obvious choices and I hate to say it 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: because he's such a swell guy, is what Tom? 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: Excuse me, Tom, I fucking love you, dude, but you. 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: Shout the bed over Mo Lester and I was sent 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: in there as the beating man. 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 4: I took the beating. You got suckered in by Evis. 29 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: I answered the question. 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 4: You don't answer the questions. 31 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: You don't answer the question. 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: Okay, that's like rule one. 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: I read once that the way that they that was 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 3: like a place. So they put all the cameras around 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: the actors and didn't tell them where they were, so 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: the actors just got lost in the scene. And then 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: you just get this extraordinary interplay between all the characters, 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: and they're just fantastic actors. 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a family drama. 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: It's very high stakes because we're talking about a lot 41 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: of money and a lot of power in their control 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: of a media empire. But what is it that makes 43 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: succession not just days of our Lives or another family 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: centered kind of sopie. I think it's because it's this 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: insight into the lives of the very very rich and 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: very very famous. They go to Tuscany, they have helicopters 47 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: in New York and it's just that family dynamics anywhere, 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: but on the backdrop of you know, what would your 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: family act like if you were worth billions and how 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: would you argue with your brother about who's going to 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: take over the company. So I think it's fascinating because 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: if you think about what it would do to your 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: life and how you would react, I think it's just great. 54 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: Some of the shows that I was thrilled to see 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: in the Australians Top twenty five list were Slow Horses, 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: Call My Agent, the French showbiz drama Slash Comedy, which 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: is fantastic, and Bluey Yes. 58 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: Was that a controversial inclusion among the judges. 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: I think it was. I was interested in to see 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: how it went amongst our viewers and interestingly, en after 61 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: they're all supportive of it because I think it is 62 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 3: our biggest cultural export since Crocodile Dundee. I mean, there's 63 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: reports that there's kids across America with austrain accents. Brisbane 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: is cool. It's all this cultural capital that's come out 65 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: of what is a beautiful, heartfelt show. And as a 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: parent who watched it, it saved me from Pepper Pig, 67 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: So I always grateful because it's intelligent and it appeals 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: to children and adults, and it also is an interesting 69 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: take on parenting because it's a father, so I think 70 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: it hits all the right notes. 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: Lists are a dime a dozen, and in journalism there's 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: a bit of a cliche now about listicals. You know 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: that it's almost like a cheap and dirty way to 74 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: get reader engagement. I don't think that's what this is about, though. 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Tell me why you decided to do a list of 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: the best TV shows. 77 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: We're often, especially with television, trying to find something to watch. 78 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: Everyone's got too many options and they don't know what 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: to watch. And also everyone likes talking about shows and 80 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: engaging with people. That used to be in the past 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: a water cooler moment, but now it's online, so people 82 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: are often searching for things. So for us, this list 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: served two purposes. One was to provide information and possible 84 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: things for people to watch in the future, but the 85 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: others was just really engage our readers and see what 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: they thought about it and then they exchange their views 87 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: on it. 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: Was it about working out who your audience is too. 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: You've just recently taken over the culture section and given 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: it a big revamp. 91 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: Yep. There was one particular comment that we got with 92 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: the TV show which was loved the comments, really interesting 93 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: list and now it's going to help me figure out 94 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: what to watch next week. And so that's what we 95 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: wanted to do. We want to give readers something useful, 96 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: but also provide them, you know, a forum to hab 97 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: a chat. 98 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: What was the audience's main problem with your ranking and 99 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: with your list and what was the thing that they 100 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: most agreed with you about. 101 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: One of the issues that they had was that we 102 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: didn't include the Sopranos, but that was more because it 103 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 3: started before two thousand and one and we had to 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: kind of had a cut off point. Adolescence wasn't a 105 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: huge success amongst our readers. And then one that we 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: had missed was a show called Mister in Between? Right, 107 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: how many how many people? 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: If you had the guess, how many people would you 109 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: say that you've assaulted. 110 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 4: Apes? 111 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: Now, how do you feel about that? 112 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 5: Fine that it comes? I mean, I'm pretty big on 113 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: just respect. If you respect me or respect you. Yeah, 114 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 5: if you don't, we've got a problem. 115 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the moment. We had an overwhelming amount 116 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: of people mentioned that and so as a result, we're 117 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: going to do a story on which is a beauty 118 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: of this kind of exercises that you find out more 119 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: about tava shows that you missed. 120 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, then you did films just because you hadn't 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: had enough ang is from the audience. What is the 122 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: Australian's critics' best film of the past twenty five years? 123 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: The best film was Lord of the Rings. 124 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: Legend tales of a ring created by an ancient evil 125 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: that gave its where the power to enslave the world 126 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: believed lust for centuries. 127 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: Even talking about best, the culture team was really considering 128 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: what that means. I mean, movies and television it's so personal, 129 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: it's your view of it. But we measured it more 130 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: on cultural impacts. So that's where kind of bluey comes 131 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: into play when we look at the impact of that, 132 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: or even adolescens in terms of you know, prime ministers, 133 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: we're getting up talking about smartphones and kids. So with movies, 134 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: we looked at the impact. So our number one was 135 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: The Lord of the Rings series, which was backed by 136 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 3: most of our readers. It was such an e pick 137 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: movie series that one oscars smashed the box office save 138 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: New Zealand. I mean, really, the tourism figures are extraordinary. 139 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: I did some research that increased by about forty percent 140 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: the way Golin was done with motion capture. I mean 141 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: it really changed the entire industry. And in fact, the 142 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: other day I saw a video clip come up on 143 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: Instagram of a couple getting married at Hobbiton and Elijah 144 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: would surprise them. That was twenty five years later and 145 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: people still love it, so they think it really touched 146 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: that point. 147 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: Parasite versus Barbie, that's up in round two. 148 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: Number two. I've got an issue with number two. 149 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: That was Parasite, which I'm frankly refusing to see. I 150 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: know it won a million oscars, It's a Korean film 151 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: that frankly seems incredibly depressing. 152 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: Even the name is depressing. And then number three was Barbie. 153 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: P Barb. 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: Can I come to your house today? 155 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 4: Sure? 156 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't have anything to be planned, just a giant 157 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: blowout party with all the Barbie's and plant choreography and 158 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: a bespokes on. 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: You should stop by so cool. 160 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Sure it did a lot of money at the box office. 161 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: Margot Robbie's a superstar and we love her. 162 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: But Barbie was kind of stupid, wasn't it. Barbie was 163 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: definitely not loved amongst our readers. I would argue the opposite. 164 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: I think that it's saved the box office post pandemic. 165 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: I went and took my daughter to the one of 166 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: the first shows and was sitting there in a room 167 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: full of people dressed up as Barbie can and having 168 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: the best time. And also my son asked me what 169 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 3: the patriarchy was and he was eight. So I love Barbie, 170 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: but a lot of people disagree. I'm not hearing a ringing, 171 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: defensive parasite from you. No, I'm more with you. I 172 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: feel like the critical acclaim movies sometimes are slightly depressing, 173 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: but I guess it also speaks to the power of 174 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: career as a cultural powerhouse when it comes to movies 175 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: and film and television and skincare and songs and everything. 176 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: The best thing about these list is that you then 177 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: let the audience vote these movies up and down, yes, 178 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: and decide for themselves how they want to rank them. 179 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: So tell me with the audience take on the movie's list. 180 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: What did they choose as the best? 181 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: So they chose No Country for Old Men? 182 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: How much? I'm sixteene? Ye're all getting any rain up here? Away? 183 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: What work would that be? I've seen you was from Dallas? 184 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: What the business of yours? Where I'm from? Friend? I mean? 185 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: And then I think Lord of the Rings was number three, 186 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: So our list wasn't hugely different. Barbie was number twenty five. 187 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: They couldn't have put it anyhow, No. 188 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: They couldn't. It was interesting. I read another comment that 189 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: we're talking about including Bridesmaids because Bridesmaids was the first 190 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: time that women were funny in a movie, and there 191 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: were you know, box off wasn't it was? 192 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: Come on? 193 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: Actually, have you seen nine to five, Dolly Partner? That's true, 194 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: but they were kind of like post the Hangover. They 195 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: were funny and they were crude and they were gross. 196 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: And another reader comment said something like the movies that 197 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: should be in the top twenty five of the ones 198 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: that I rewatched, No Country for Old Men can't do 199 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: that against men. 200 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: No, the air compressive, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Andavia Badam's haircut, 201 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah totally. 202 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: But you know, Bridesmaids will rewatch, So maybe that's a 203 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: good barometer how much you can sit down and rewatch 204 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: a movie. I find Bridesmaids even more depressing than in Parasite, 205 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 3: which is really Yeah, it makes me actually want to 206 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 3: go and see some dystopian Korean kind of darkness just 207 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: to cleanse my palette. Okay, so now I want to 208 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: hear you defend another inclusion, which is Black Swan, which, 209 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 3: in my view, frankly, was Natalie Portman indulging herself in 210 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: this absolutely ridiculous ballet movie. Now I'm going to blame 211 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: the resident ballet to Maine on your team, Bianca far 212 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 3: Marcus for this. 213 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: Is she responsible? 214 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: Yes, she possibly is. I've watched it once or twice 215 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: and I found it very horrifying and it needs a 216 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: descent into madness. But yes, that definitely came from Bianca. 217 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: I won't be giving that one. 218 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Milanda, and I'm very excited by the 219 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: new culture section. Can you give us a sneak preview 220 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: of anything you've got coming up in the next little one. 221 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: Well, speaking of a list, we have our songs one 222 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 3: to coincide with the Arias, which is on November nine, 223 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: and I think that's probably the most difficult one because 224 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 3: I feel like songs are much more personal. One of 225 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: the songs on the list is from tam Imparlor The 226 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: Less I Know, the Better and I love that, except 227 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 3: that I played that at nauseum during lockdown, so I 228 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: can't listen to it again. So I think songs are 229 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 3: going to be interesting because they're even more personal, and 230 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: looking at the last twenty five years, there's a lot 231 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: of one hit wonders in there. 232 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: Actually, if how to Make Gravy is number one on 233 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: this list, I'm going to we're going to have an issue. 234 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: No, No, I think it was before. It surely was 235 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: before two thousand. 236 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's good. 237 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: Melander Rout is editor of the Australians Culture section. You 238 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,479 Speaker 1: can find it in print or online at the Australian 239 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: dot com dot au slash Culture. This episode of the 240 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: Front was hosted by me Claire Harvey and produced by 241 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: Jasper Leek. 242 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on the Front this week. 243 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: Our team also includes Kristin amyot le It's mcgluw, Tiffany Demack, 244 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Joshua Burton and Stephanie Combs.