WEBVTT - Rebels to redemption: Shannon Althouse Pt.2 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.039 Detective sy aside of life the average person is never 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.080 exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.360 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.680 This is part two of my chat with Shannon Oldthouse, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.280 former violent BIKI prisoner and meth addict. In part two, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.600 we talk about his time in prison for a tempt 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.640 murder and his own redemption from outlaw to a person 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.360 who is making a difference in young fellas away from 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.720 the life he lived. This was a powerful conversation. Have 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.840 a listen. It might just change your perspective about Shannon. Shannon, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.600 welcome back. We left you at the end of part 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.280 one and you explained the situation in which that you 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.720 were locked up. You got the sentence for ten years. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:21.200 Yeah, for ten and a half. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.480 Yeah, ten and a half years. At the start of 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.920 part one, we showed that assault that you committed when 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.800 you were in prison. That was pretty early in your sentence, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.240 your ten year stint, wasn't it. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.720 Yeah, Yeah, that was in the first year, first half months. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.520 And what was the game? What we didn't talk about 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.319 it when I played the video. What was what started that? 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:41.640 Yeah? 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.520 Yes, when he first came in. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.399 I remember twenty sixteen and twenty sixteen he first came 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.360 in and was all in Max block together, and he 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.360 used to walk laps with us and drink coffees and 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:55.120 stuff with us and tell us he's gangster life stories 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.600 and stuff like that, and you know, like he'd done 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.880 time in Yatler and South Australia, and I was saying, no, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.840 that's a hard prison, you know, it must be must 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.040 be right, it must be a bit of a goal, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.960 you know. And yeah, he was walking up for weeks 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.000 and weeks and weeks, and then he ended up getting bail. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.720 When he got bail, one thing I didn't realize is 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.119 that he was good friends with the fellow who ran 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.440 me over and tried killing me. Right, so he started 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.760 going around spreading rumors that definitely didn't happen. Well, that's 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.840 not going to happen, you know what I mean. He 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.480 ended up he ended up doing a drug run and 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.040 one of his mates, his best mates, got done with 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.480 a heap of weed and gave him up. Said, look, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.560 I'll give my mate up. I still on a drug run, 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.360 just coming down from Melbourne with some methamphetamine and you know, 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.359 just to get me off these charges. So as he's 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.160 done that, old mates come through, got done with the 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.880 methamphetamine that he had, and then he's gone informant on 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.679 he's drunk drug syndicate boss as well. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.400 And then that went all over. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.240 The anti news and stuff like that, and that just 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.120 struck a nerve, you know, really upset me. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.160 And so that was what was going through your mind. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.160 And then the jaile world that you're living in, the 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.280 only way to deal with that is jail justice, and 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.280 that was jail jail justice. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.519 Yeah, yeah, well that's that's that's the only way I 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.560 could see it, especially because like everyone in jail, especially 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.240 all the hard. Lads all knew about it, you know, 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.680 knew what he was doing or knew what he was 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.440 saying about me, and so. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:17.640 It was making you look weak. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:18.239 Yeah. Yeah. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.640 If I didn't do anything, then definitely one hundred percent, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.080 you know, like they definitely would have respected me. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.040 So you got another four years for that, Yeah, I 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.000 got an extra four years that concurrent with your two 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.200 years were concurrent and so too on the bottom and 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.160 two on the top. Okay, So the way you're going there, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.400 because that's early in your sence, you keep up that 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.480 type of behavior you might see the outside of the prison. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:40.920 Yeah. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.800 Yeah, Well I've I had a few few actual like 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.520 big prison prison fights inside still to this day, when 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.960 the correctional officers trained and rookies, they used two of 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:55.240 my fights in prison as a in the training, just 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:56.960 to show you how quick things can escalate, just in 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:57.680 the prison. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.040 Not showing it's not showing your technique. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.720 Or yeah, just showing you how how quick like somebody could. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.200 Change and how how explosive it can be. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and just you know, like so 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.000 you know, like it's that was the first eighteen months 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.320 two years that I was in jail, you know, it 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.000 was just yeah, things were was was all trapped in 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.560 maximum security men, I feel feel the young fellows and 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.000 all that, and anybody that came in that was obviously 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.240 you know, the child sex offender, you know, or any 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.480 sex offender or an informant or a give up or 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.000 any violence against crime, crime against women and children. You know, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:30.760 it was they got got you know what I mean. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:31.880 And that's just how it was. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.200 And that that was when you talked in part one 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.400 about being on edge the whole time and yeah, always 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.479 being alert and ready to go that. Yeah, they're using 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.000 you as a demonstration of how explosive prison can be. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.599 Yeah, yeah, definitely, and you know, like it especially maximum security, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.280 like you just a lot of people don't understand every 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.680 single person in that in that little sector. You know, 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.160 like when you're getting unlocked, everyone's on edge and everyone's angry, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.440 everyone's got something to prove, and there's a lot of 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.160 people that they're just mentally unstable. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:03.520 You know. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.120 If they get to have a ship phone call with 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:05.920 their misses, all. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.679 They're going to take it out and something yeah, yeah. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.000 You know, or if you made if you made too 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.440 much noise too early in the morning. You know what 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.280 I mean, he just kick off, like I've seen people 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:15.080 get half killed for that. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.120 You know. Were you ever on the receiving end? 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.960 Never? Not once? Yeah? Yeah, thank god? 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.240 But that was okay. So I'm getting the sense of 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.840 it that you carried your carriage yourself well in prison, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.800 in that amongst in mates. Yeah, what was the catalyst 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.960 that thought, Okay, I don't want to be this person, 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.800 I've got the term of life around What how did 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.159 that come about? Because what you describing there? Yeah, I 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.800 can look after myself. Yeah, I'll deal out justice. I 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.159 don't get got it's to me, it's looking like it's 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.760 just going to be You're going to come out unrepentant 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.440 and more dangerous than when you went in. What changed it. 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.760 Was when like because it was a target obviously by 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.239 the offices and stuff like that, and they just didn't 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.279 want to meet a progress. They always messed with my 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:00.920 I was always try to get on my nerves, trying 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.720 to get me to strike and do stupid things, you 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.160 know what I mean. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.320 So I was always I was always angry, Like there. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.320 Was every single time, like every day they came out 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.360 Max block and then I was always down the back cell, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.400 separate confinement. You know, so twenty three hour lockdown, you know, 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.200 like I'd let you out for one phone call, fifteen 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:17.560 minute phone call, that's it, and then you're back in. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.359 So after doing all that time down there, you know, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.800 like I had a mate, I made a mine because 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.599 I had no TV nothing, and I was and I 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.720 hated reading, like I just absolutely hated. So I tried 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.760 reading that many books, the buile everything at that boob. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.680 After a few pages, it's gone. And to get on 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.719 special meals, like you know, see they got like these 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.359 good cooks in the prison, and so the prison meals 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.320 was shit. But if you got on a special meal, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.039 you'd be on like mean, it's like wickedest diet meal, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.600 you know. And everyone's like, oh, you need to get 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:47.360 on the special meals. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:47.560 You know. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:48.800 I was like, how do you get on that? 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.839 And they're like, nah, I told them I'm Muslim, you know, 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.400 it's a Neil process, no ham you know, but they 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.320 were I was like, yeah, well, I'm not Muslim. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.880 I can't say that, you know. So I said, I'm 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.720 going to tell them I'm Buddhist. So I went and 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:58.799 told him I was Buddhist. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.440 You know, re filled out a request for him and said, oh, 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.520 look my religions and Buddhism in stuff like that. And 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.920 then it worked, you know, so then they approved it, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.120 and then they started giving me these like mad meals. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.000 And then it's one young fellow he was mad as 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.680 like just punch on every day with anybody. He thought like, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.920 he's like, oh, my brother, you know, you know you 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:18.800 always told me that your. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.040 Buddhist is a book. Read this because he reads all. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.960 The time, you know, And he passed this book on 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.200 Budhism through the latch and I was thinking, yeah, no worries, 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.920 thank you, my brother. And I put it on the table, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.720 you know, I left it there for about two days. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.080 But every day every day he's like, you read that book, kit, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.840 it's good. And I was like, okay, you started reading it? Yeah, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.720 and I thought, hang on, I said, this Blake's pretty 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.400 switched on, this young fellow, you know, like and if 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.880 he thinks, if he catches me out lying line to him. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:42.160 It's going to be on. You know. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.440 I said, I'm better start reading this book in case 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.600 he starts asking me questions. So I opened it. Yeah, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.960 and I started reading this book, you know, on Buddha, 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.480 and I never put it down I read it to 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.040 to I finished it, and you know it's by the 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.760 time I got released from prison, I read every single 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.800 book in Alice Springs pre Corrections and Darwin on Buddhism, 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:07.000 arm Zen and mindfulness. And but what actually specifically changed 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.360 my mindset and stuff like that was one that assault too, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:12.920 and I could you know, I've got an next four 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:14.640 years and all that, and too the fact that I 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:15.920 was in there for a crime I didn't commit. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.120 So I'm losing all those years, you know, and back. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.320 And then I was thinking, right, I. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.840 Could get life, I could lose my life for this 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.080 crime I didn't commit. You know what am I going 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.920 to What's what am I going to achieve? You know 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.600 what I'm going to get out of this absolutely nothing, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.480 you know, except for what I've got a gangster on 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.800 in jail so now, and I'm going to start changing 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.520 my life, you know. And then I sat there and 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.240 I was just in my in my room, just contemplating 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.720 to myself, thinking about it hard, you know, and I thought, Bob, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.760 and just the light bulb just switched on and I said, no, no, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.199 I'm going to start helping helping his young ladies. Because 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.200 there was a Royal Commission into the Youth Justice in. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.200 Don Dale in Darwin. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.319 I remember so and all the young fellows they started 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.000 turning eighteen now and started coming into the maximum security 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.160 and when they were turning eighty in coming to maximum security, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.760 some of them couldn't read it right and when so 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.480 I was grabbing it their briefs and that and reading 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.200 it for them and helping them out. And some of 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.280 the stuff I read, you know, it was pretty disgusting. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.600 So I thought, now I'm going to help these help 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:09.880 these young lads, you know, And I. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:10.600 Started doing that. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.600 So I started sitting there and helping them with their 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.480 cort proceedings and started helping them get through whatever, you know, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.920 their conversation payouts and you know, you own guiding them 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.240 as best I can through the system, through the adult 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.440 adult system because I was different to the duties as well. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.040 And then yeah, I just got got a real passion 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.360 for it too, you know, and I thought, hey, I 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.160 can do this on the outside, you know, because they 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.040 all started listening to me, and Dan had a lot 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.080 of respect for me as well. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.920 Did you find you found that sort of you got 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.440 something from that, like instead of being the tough guy 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.920 here you are being the teacher and guiding people and 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.840 all that was that personally you felt like it was 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:47.320 something worthwhile. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.959 Yeah yeah, no, definitely, like from where I was to 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.280 like the respect was I was getting from being the 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.160 tough guy to the respect I was. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.080 Getting from helping people. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.320 It was just like as a backflip and completely different, a 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.920 complete opposite kind of a respect, you know what I mean. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.880 So so that's when I started just deciding to help them. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.720 I thought no, and I made a promise to myself. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.920 I remember in the back cells, the officers come down 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.760 and I a t the ninja turd and they're like, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.160 all right, offhouse, put your hands for the latch. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.640 You know, we're going you got a visit. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.440 I was like, oh yeah, I put my hand through 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.400 the latch and then they escorted me to the visit 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.160 area and I was like, oh yeah, and then we dropped. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.160 We dropped one another prisoner off there too, for Max book, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:28.480 and I was like, what about me, I've got a visit? 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.800 Like yeah, your visits in reception and that's where the 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.080 detectives come to visit. Yeah, you know, so here we 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.880 got more charges or something, you know, So then they've 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.480 scored me to a reception and I was like, oh, 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.000 where are they know, the detectives and then he's like, no, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.600 you know, there's no detectives waiting for you here, and 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.440 then he like made a gesture like an aeroplane, you know. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.160 And I was thinking, Oh, I'm going to Alice Springs, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.040 you know, and they're like yeah. I thought this is 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:55.880 going to be hectic, you know. So because I've never 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.640 been Alice, I didn't know anyone in Alice, even though 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:57.920 all my. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.800 Face is a prison in Alice, yeah. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.480 And even all my family and that like majority of 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.319 my family from Alice Springs, and I thought, nah, no, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.440 this is next level, you know. So then I waited 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.880 there and it was it was it's a bit over overboard, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.240 like how they I remember still remember, like I was 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.120 freaking out because they had like TRG come police like 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.000 guns and stuff, hats, guards like they like yeah, like 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.360 they chucked me shackles and all this, and then you know, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.480 I only weigh like Adie kilo, you know, and they 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.080 got me on this airport escort and they've taken me 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.440 from a Holtz prison and down to down down airport 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.240 and they're floating and like coppers a block and there's 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.920 traffic off, so we can go straight through the lights 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.440 and yeah, they're all masked up, and yeah, I was 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.800 like I thought, I thought, oh, there must be like 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.760 seats or something going on around here. And then the 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.720 next light coming through and there's more than I was like, 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.959 hang on. And then when we pulled into the airport, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.680 like they blocked all the roads off, so then like 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.959 the entourage can just like police escort and everything. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.760 Is this for me? And ibously like yeah, I was like, 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:54.880 this is a joke, you know. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.040 And they had a police plane one of the they 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.120 had an actual they chucked me on a bloody on 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.560 the government police play flew me down there by myself 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:02.280 to Alice Springs. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.400 Right, Okay, why they transfer. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.520 They reckonize a security risk because because of all the 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.640 fighting and I was punching on with everybody. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.680 And Jesus, mate, you get kicked out by your yangs, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.200 you get kicked out of the prisons. We're going to 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.080 find the place. I want to continue on. But I'm 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.280 just curious. I've never heard someone learn about Buddhism because 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.640 they were afraid to get into trouble, because they weren't 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.760 reading a book, because they lied about being a Buddhist 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.240 to get a better meal. That's an out there story. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.160 But did you take away stuff from all the reading 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:38.520 that you got from the books. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.559 Yeah, well this is where it gets interesting. When I 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.000 got to Alae Springs, what I read in those books 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.880 related to everything, like how the mind works, how you 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.559 how like your everything, your emotions. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:50.840 You know, it just tells you. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.760 It just gave you examples how to tap into your 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.360 mind or your different feelings, your anger, your anxiety, your 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:56.760 depression and all that. And then it comes up with 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.360 scenarios on how to like instead of when they first happened, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.280 instead of like reacting this way, don't react at all 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.320 as much as you want to sit back and wait 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.679 till you calm down and then make a decision and 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.480 try going this way. And then when I got Taylor Springs, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.120 I made us like in my head, I was like, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.720 you know what, when I get here, for my entire sentence, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.960 I'm going to get one hundred percent clean record in 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.520 Alice Springs. I'm not going to do one fight. I'm 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.880 not going to have one fight. I'm not going to 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.760 have one misconduct, not one argument. You know, I'm just 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.120 going to get through this sentence with a clean slate, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.600 and if I can't do that, then I'm definitely when 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.160 I get out of prison, there's no way in the 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.360 world I'll be able to handle it outside of jail. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.000 You know. Okay, so you're testing yourself. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.320 Yeah, yeah, So as soon as I landed, I remember, yeah, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.640 they threw me in Max Block in Alice Springs and 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.440 that was day one of testing everything, you know, because 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.640 I was still a very angry, angry follow But then 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.080 I started putting those practices that I was reading in 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.360 those books in the place, when I was put in 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.440 situations every day in that place, and before you knew it, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.400 like six twelve eighty months, two and a half years later, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.360 like I actually trained myself to like you'd feel anxiety, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.320 like you'd feel your senses would heightened, Like if there 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.120 was tension there, you get a little bit tense. But 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.320 from when I was in Darwin, from when I first 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.680 came in, it was tense. And then I'll put it 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.560 on them. You know what, you've got a fucking problem, 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.200 or you're staring at something and you never go one, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.560 let's go in the room, you know, to looking at 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.480 it things and it's like that's just you're just thinking 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.320 it and feeling it, but it's not there's nothing in it, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:26.880 you know, because yeah, it just got to the point 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.280 where it just didn't even bother me in the end, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.080 and even the officers when they're trying to make my 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.080 life hard in prison, and oh, well, you know, and 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.800 I just walk off with it. Before i'd be really 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.680 argumentive and try and prove them wrong. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.200 You know, simple but powerful message, isn't it. Like, And 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.640 I've heard that before, and though I tried to check 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.680 myself on it. Sometimes, don't react, stop think and then 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.040 take your time before you Yeah, you buy into something, Yeah, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.560 a simple message, and you, in the life that you've lived, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.120 how many times would that saved you if you adopted 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.560 that earlier? Every time stopped think what are you going 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.000 to do? I'm going to yeah? 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.760 Yeah, And for months I thought this bullshit. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.600 You know, it's not working. It's not working. It's not working. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.080 But but I didn't realize it. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:09.600 It works. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.040 Just it's just every time that you practice it, it 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.000 just you get better, just that little bit every single time, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.720 and to the point where you'll get it to a 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.360 level where fire out like I was walking in the 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.120 situations like I remember one time we had like forty 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.640 prisoners rounding up trying to mob one of my nephews. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.120 And my nephew come up to me, you know, and 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.760 he's like, I think all these fellows are looking at us, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.480 you know, because me and my nephew was having a 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.280 conversation in the dorm and one of the other prisoners misheard, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.560 but we'll talk eavesdropping and thought we put the other 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.560 ones on the dog. So he's gone out and told 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.760 the block, the whole block. They're like, oh, let's let's 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.320 get these day and dogs, you know, like that's how 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:45.920 they were, you know. And then my neph came up 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.280 to me and he's like, and I said, now you 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.040 just paranoid, you know that this is how it was, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.000 Like this how I built myself. You know, you're just paranoid. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.640 And I was all steering to it. I was like, nah, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:55.120 I said, that's just how they are, you know. And 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.600 then yeah, one of my mates come over like, way, 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.640 what you what was you more talking about in there? 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.000 Early on, you know, one of the locals. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:01.440 That I'm good friends with. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.280 I was like, no, no, this is We're just having 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.160 a conversation about this, this, this and this and oh, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.520 these my be are saying that you put them on 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:07.800 the dogs. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.960 And then I was like, nah, nas, I will tell 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.320 them to come out here and then come in the room, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.600 you know. And I took him and we went in 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.240 the room and we just had just a normal conversation. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.200 So in that situation, the old you would have gone, well, okay, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.400 if it's that someone will get get in first. 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:24.800 Yeah, they old me I would have just walked straight 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.080 up to the first one of them and just punched 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:26.800 him straight in the face. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:26.880 You know. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.360 I would have been on like yeah. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.080