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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of my chat with Shannon Oldthouse,

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Speaker 1: former violent BIKI prisoner and meth addict. In part two,

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Speaker 1: we talk about his time in prison for a tempt

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Speaker 1: the life he lived. This was a powerful conversation. Have

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Speaker 1: a listen. It might just change your perspective about Shannon. Shannon,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. We left you at the end of part

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Speaker 1: one and you explained the situation in which that you

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Speaker 1: were locked up. You got the sentence for ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for ten and a half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ten and a half years. At the start of

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Speaker 1: part one, we showed that assault that you committed when

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Speaker 1: your ten year stint, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was in the first year, first half months.

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Speaker 1: And what was the game? What we didn't talk about

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yes, when he first came in.

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Speaker 3: I remember twenty sixteen and twenty sixteen he first came

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Speaker 3: When he got bail, one thing I didn't realize is

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Speaker 3: going around spreading rumors that definitely didn't happen. Well, that's

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Speaker 2: And then that went all over.

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Speaker 3: The anti news and stuff like that, and that just

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Speaker 1: And so that was what was going through your mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's that's that's the only way I

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Speaker 1: It was making you look weak.

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Speaker 3: If I didn't do anything, then definitely one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: So you got another four years for that, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: So I was always I was always angry, Like there.

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Speaker 1: And Jesus, mate, you get kicked out by your yangs,

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Speaker 1: just curious. I've never heard someone learn about Buddhism because

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Speaker 1: But did you take away stuff from all the reading

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is where it gets interesting. When I

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Speaker 3: It just gave you examples how to tap into your

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Speaker 3: and if I can't do that, then I'm definitely when

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Speaker 1: You know. Okay, so you're testing yourself.

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Speaker 3: on them. You know what, you've got a fucking problem,

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Speaker 3: and even the officers when they're trying to make my

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Speaker 1: You know, simple but powerful message, isn't it. Like, And

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Speaker 1: I've heard that before, and though I tried to check

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Speaker 1: a simple message, and you, in the life that you've lived,

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Speaker 1: how many times would that saved you if you adopted

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not working. It's not working. It's not working.

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Speaker 2: It works.

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Speaker 3: Just it's just every time that you practice it, it

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, this is We're just having

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, nah, nas, I will tell

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Speaker 3: oh no, we heard that you mob were putting us

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Speaker 3: said you told you this?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I said, who told you this?

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, that follow over there, I said, tell

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Speaker 3: you mob dogs? Oh no, no, no, I said, you're

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Speaker 3: just a troublemaker. I said, you my be here. I said,

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Speaker 3: you shouldn't be listening to him. I said, he calls

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Speaker 3: I said, I've done years and we're years here in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's really powerful the way you've Yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: A soon as I went in, sat back, had a

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Speaker 3: Of them, stuff like that, So I just thought, why

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Speaker 3: like catches see you later. And then I was out,

436
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,000
Speaker 3: you know, So it was that easy.

437
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,080
Speaker 1: Okay, off the drugs at this stage? Was that another

438
00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,840
Speaker 1: part of it. Did you get off the get off.

439
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,000
Speaker 3: The Yeah, I've been clean nine years now, right, Yeah,

440
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,520
Speaker 3: so October next you'll be ten years.

441
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,480
Speaker 1: And that was that was part of the whole package

442
00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,680
Speaker 1: of turning your life around.

443
00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, clean and sober.

444
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did when you're in there being the model model prisoner,

445
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,159
Speaker 1: did you get opportunities to study or do anything in

446
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,080
Speaker 1: there or breathing.

447
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 3: Or I didn't have any any of that. But what

448
00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,080
Speaker 3: I see this is this is another one where I

449
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,040
Speaker 3: sat because I told everybody from day one, and you

450
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,959
Speaker 3: watch this, I'm going to get out.

451
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to be doing podcasts.

452
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to be on the usual time. I'm going

453
00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,880
Speaker 3: to start looking after these kits. I'm going to start,

454
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,119
Speaker 3: you know, and become famous, I said. And you know,

455
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be involved in all that gangs

456
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 3: of stuff or anything of that.

457
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:24,880
Speaker 2: I said.

458
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm going to I can see myself

459
00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,720
Speaker 3: doing good. You don't helping people, you know, That's that's

460
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,359
Speaker 3: what I want to do. That's where my passion is,

461
00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 3: and that's where I'm going to be walking as soon as.

462
00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:32,640
Speaker 2: I get out of the jail.

463
00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,120
Speaker 3: You watch the first day I get out of this place,

464
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go back to my rehab or

465
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 3: whatever about that and sit back and do what everybody

466
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,160
Speaker 3: else does, you know, to get back into the ship

467
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,160
Speaker 3: and straight back into jail.

468
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,239
Speaker 1: You know, did you have people trying to drag you down?

469
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,960
Speaker 1: Because sometimes because someone changes like that makes them feel

470
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 1: bad about themselves. Did you have to fight against that or.

471
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, understand, like I've had. I've had old brothers

472
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,119
Speaker 3: and old mates and stuff like even mates that I

473
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,160
Speaker 3: met in jail that were good, good in jail, try

474
00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:58,719
Speaker 3: and bring me out.

475
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,439
Speaker 2: Oh brother, let's go to the pub. Let's do this.

476
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 2: I said, I don't drink. I will just come.

477
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,880
Speaker 3: And I said, now, how about you get sober? I said,

478
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,679
Speaker 3: you want to come, We'll catch up, go to a

479
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 3: gym session, or I'll take you to lunch. We'll go

480
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 3: somewhere and have lunch. You know, Oh no, no stuff that.

481
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,399
Speaker 3: And I said, well, why would I want to come

482
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 3: to drink? I said, why would I want to come

483
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 3: to a pub when I don't drink with you? And

484
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 3: what you get drunk and be a slop?

485
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 1: You know, if you're not drinking. There's nothing more boring

486
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 1: than watching people drink?

487
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,199
Speaker 2: Is it? Hanging? All over you and stuff like that,

488
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:26,399
Speaker 2: you know.

489
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 3: So I just thought, you know, I've been plenty of

490
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 3: situations and it was hard to had to cut of

491
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 3: feel my good mates off, you know, because they didn't

492
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 3: want to change their lives.

493
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 2: They still wanted to continue to do what they're doing.

494
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 3: So I'd make a decision and do what was best

495
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 3: for myself and my life. And I told him, Straights,

496
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,360
Speaker 3: I love you. You always be my brothers, no matter

497
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 3: what I said. But until you're willing to change your life,

498
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 3: clean your act up, sober up, get off the drugs,

499
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,439
Speaker 3: and you want to be a father to your children,

500
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 3: a family man to your family, I said, I'll help

501
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,359
Speaker 3: you any any day of the week. I said, but

502
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 3: until you make that decision, I said, we're on different paths,

503
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,479
Speaker 3: We're on different journeys. I'm going this way, you're going

504
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 3: that way.

505
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: I said. You know, that's how it's just got to be.

506
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you've got your dreams and aspirations when you're

507
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 1: in there and you're working towards it within yourself and

508
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: changing your outlook on the way you react to things.

509
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 1: What plans did you have when you were going to

510
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 1: be released from prison?

511
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? So basically in my head, I thought, I said

512
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 3: straight out like I'm going to get out, like I'm

513
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 3: going to get in contact with all these organizations in

514
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: Alice Springs because I knew I was getting proll to Alice

515
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,439
Speaker 3: that do stuff for troubled kids and troubled youth or

516
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 3: even just anybody, like even troubled adults, you know, and

517
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: just have a yarm with them, tell them my story

518
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 3: and see if you know, like I could go in

519
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 3: there and have a chat to the people that are

520
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 3: in there and have a talk or and maybe help

521
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 3: them or you know, like and make it do a

522
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 3: regular thing and continue on with my train because I

523
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 3: was coaching inside of prison as well, so I was

524
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: running training programs and like training sessions and that like

525
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 3: them sometimes we get thirty to forty prisoners even from

526
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: warring communities and train with.

527
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: Us just a physical training.

528
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

529
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was just yeah, I was just like

530
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: and the officer has seeing that, and they're like like

531
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 3: this prison usually fis with that prison all the time,

532
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: like they're from different warring families, you know. And then

533
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 3: they called me up to them one day and they're like,

534
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 3: how did you get these more training like together? Like

535
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 3: we've never seen it before. They just like the style

536
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 3: of training that I do, you know, like, and they

537
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: asked if I could come train, if they could come train,

538
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 3: I said yeah, like obviously not at the same time,

539
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 3: I said yeah, yeah, I said, it don't bring you

540
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: any bullshit.

541
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: You know, you won't be training with us again.

542
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: You know it's good for the mental health, isn't it?

543
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: The training to that? Yeah? Self esteem? And yeah, I

544
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: just I don't think I can ever stay that How

545
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: important of this if one hundred look after themselves physically? Yeah,

546
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: so you had that sort of in your back pocket

547
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: training and all that. So you get release, release from prison,

548
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: just tell us what it felt like first of all

549
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: being released and then what what you did.

550
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to be honest, he was the scariest feeling

551
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 2: over out in my life. Like it was normal. It's

552
00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: probably just as just as like bad and and like

553
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: you know it's good. But I had that much anxiety

554
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: and that much I'll still that afraid of being released.

555
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,959
Speaker 2: It's just as much as I was getting locked up.

556
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: Afraid of yourself, afraid of what.

557
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm just afraid of, Like, I don't know I could

558
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: be anything like or even like I said, more coppers

559
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: out there waiting for me, locking me back up, against

560
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 3: throwing me back and you know, I mean stuff like that.

561
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: So you just you.

562
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 3: Didn't know where you're going, You didn't know who who's

563
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: going to help. You didn't know the path that you

564
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: didn't know how easy, but you knew it was going

565
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 3: to be hard to you know, can I do it?

566
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: You know, like you know so and even all your

567
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: old associates and your mates, you know what I mean,

568
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: You're like, right, look what if they ask me? You know,

569
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to be rude, because you know, some

570
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 3: of them that take offense to you saying that I'm

571
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: not going to catch up with you, and before you know,

572
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 3: you know that could.

573
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: I've heard heard people get dragged back in because the

574
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: mate that they is called in the favor and they've

575
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: got caught up in the ship again.

576
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that happens quite often, you know.

577
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: And I just thought, you know, like all right, you know,

578
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: what if you're put in a situation or anything like that,

579
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: you know, but I didn't know, like I thought I

580
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: was strong, you know, like I knew it, but I

581
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: didn't know if I hadn't been challenged like that yet

582
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: since I've been released, So I thought, if it happens,

583
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: this could really mess me up, you know what I mean,

584
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: you know, even me you're saying, you know, like you know,

585
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 3: like stuff that you know.

586
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: So you went out there with a little bit of

587
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: trepidation and yeah, going OKAYI which way is it going

588
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: to go? Had the world changed?

589
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was pretty made Like even down down

590
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: down was massive.

591
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: McDonald's was self serve.

592
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: You know.

593
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 3: I was used to walking up to a counter and pay,

594
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like standing around like what, like

595
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: what's everybody doing?

596
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: The change was confusing enough being on the outside why

597
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: it was changing, So I can imagine.

598
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: Now that's right, and you know what, to be honest,

599
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: like when I got out, I just got thrown out

600
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: on the street. No help, nothing like that, you know,

601
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: like help from the people that I asked for help,

602
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: but like they could only help me in what they

603
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: were employed to help me with, but their job roll

604
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: was you know. So yeah, I'd pretty much just feel

605
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 3: it all out for myself and for myself and yeah,

606
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: and just work and work hard, and especially being a

607
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: probably like doing a seven years and just been later,

608
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: you've got problem.

609
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost set up to fail.

610
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: You know, And I actually see why a lot of

611
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: people do fail after that, Like just luckily that my

612
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: mindset was that that's set on my path where a

613
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: journey that I wanted to go is that I knew

614
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 3: that I could not fail.

615
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: I knew straight out. I was like, yeah, no, no,

616
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: I can.

617
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: I can see the commitment in your face that Okay,

618
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: this is a path I'm going. So what what did

619
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: you do when you got there?

620
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: So when I got out, I went to a rehab there.

621
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 3: Da'sa owned a house. I already had a job lined up,

622
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: so I outsourced employment. While I was still in jail.

623
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: I got a mate who was friends with one of

624
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: the builders of his own company, and he's like, yep,

625
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 3: not tell him to come in, come see me. You know,

626
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: done everything like that, man, I like took for months

627
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: months before I got prole and outsourced everything, got everything,

628
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: got it all sorted, went to rehab, and then as

629
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: soon as I did that, I went into the gym,

630
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: signed up to the gym, went straight into a boxing

631
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: academy there and just asked, Hi, hit him up, you know, like, oh,

632
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: you know, like I just want to know if I

633
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: can do some training and you know, if you need

634
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: any volunteers, you know, like I'll be keen to volunteer

635
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: and help us out anyway I can, you know.

636
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, yeah, no worries.

637
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: We'll see come down tomorrow and we'll see what and

638
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: what what gym was that R and a community academy.

639
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: Okay, and how that? How that play it?

640
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well, you know I went back and they've heard,

641
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: like the head coach that he's heard it from a

642
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: lot of paroles to plenty of times, you know, and

643
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: they've just stuffed up everything, like rocked up one session

644
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: and never come back, you know. But I rocked up,

645
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: and then the next night I rocked up, and then

646
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: the next night. Seven days a week, I was rocking it.

647
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: And then I started running the six am class there.

648
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: And so I was getting up from rehab, driving to their,

649
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: running the six am class, driving to work, working from

650
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: seven to four, driving back to boxing, opening it up,

651
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: and then getting when all the young lads and all

652
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: that would come, you know, made sure it's clean and that,

653
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 3: and that'd warm up, do some do some pad work

654
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: and stuff like that in the mag and then as

655
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 3: soon as soon as five thirty kick off. When would

656
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: all train together? You know, if I wasn't running a session,

657
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: was I was training with them?

658
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: You know?

659
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And what message were you giving the

660
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: young fellas?

661
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: You know, just.

662
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: Like starting the straight and narrow, you know, don't don't

663
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: get hooked on the drugs and that sort of laught.

664
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: I was thinking that this is gangs, So that's gangster,

665
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like what you are doing now,

666
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: is that's what you want to be doing. Going to

667
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: boxing every day, you know what I mean, going to

668
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: school straight out of school, they're riding their pushbikes doing

669
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 3: boxing and then straight up for that they're going like

670
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: some of them even had jobs, you know, so I was,

671
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: you know, I was in school working and boxing full time.

672
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: You know, people don't understand that, you know. I know

673
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I'll get some pushback because I'm always talking boxing on

674
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: this because boxing on the podcast, Boxing is my thing.

675
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: You give kids discipline like that, and then in boxing

676
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: you see more than not more than anything, but you

677
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: see reward for effort. You don't get good unless you

678
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: put the effort in, and I think that's what points

679
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: people in the right direction. You get rewarded if you

680
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: put the effort in. So what you're telling me there,

681
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of Yeah, we hear down here

682
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: in Sydney about the problems youth crime in the Northern

683
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: Territory and Queensland. There's problems down here as well, obviously,

684
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: but it's giving them some purpose, giving them some self

685
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: esteem and yeah, have you seen the changes in the

686
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: kids that you're working with?

687
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I definitely see changes. And when I'm around

688
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: so I've seen these same kids like the ones you're

689
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: seeing all over the news, hanging out of stolen cars

690
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: with machetes and doing burnouts on the lawns and trying

691
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: to they're chasing they're chasing the cop cars.

692
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not please aren't chasing them.

693
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: They're actually turning around and he's a ten, eleven, twelve

694
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: thirty year old kids.

695
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: I think that was shown the across the world, Like, yeah.

696
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: And they're actually in the cop I remember one day,

697
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: I've seen this cop car flows straight past me and

698
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: then this car full of teens kids chasing them, and

699
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 3: they drove to the police station, had the compound gates open,

700
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: drove into the compound gates and got a clothes so

701
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: the kids couldn't drive through there and read them, you

702
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, but those same kids, when

703
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: they see me, they come up and give me hugs

704
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: and knuckles and mister, can you shout us a feed?

705
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: Because the first day I got out, I still remember

706
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: this to today. I remember hearing about these three kids

707
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 3: and this and that, and I got out. I had nothing,

708
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: you know, when I went to jail. You know, I

709
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: thought the brothers that I did time for whatever, like

710
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: they would back me up and throw money in my caundle.

711
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: When I got out, I just done, you know, I

712
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: just done this thing here. I just done seven years.

713
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: And I didn't get out with nothing, you know, I

714
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: mean not even they didn't even have anything waiting for me,

715
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So when I got out,

716
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: I was just built what I have today, you know,

717
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: just off my own back. I still remember I drove

718
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: down to macas Are and other springs, and I've seen

719
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: about I was about no about ten, maybe ten to

720
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: fifteen kids on Pushwip's there standing at the front of makers.

721
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: And instantly I thought, oh, well, they're at the front

722
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: of a food food you know, they're just hungry, you know.

723
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: So I went through the ride through, and I pulled

724
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 3: up and I could see these people walking in, but

725
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: like anybody that gave them kind of grief or like

726
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: daggers or whatever like that, that they'll don't try and

727
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 3: intimidate them, you know.

728
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: And then they was sitting there and they looked over

729
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: it me and I was like, wait, what are you young?

730
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: What are your young fellows doing? Like, oh I missed

731
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: a cool cool face, that's yeah. I was like, yeah, no,

732
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: he's hungry.

733
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, yeah, we're just waiting for family,

734
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: you know, in case our family drives through. Going to

735
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: ask and I buy us a feed, And I said,

736
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: I'll buy us a feed, but you've got to leave

737
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: after here. I said, dismal good people because I knew

738
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: the manager.

739
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: And I'll go there all the time. The manager and

740
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, they are good people, you know.

741
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: That was like, and he's like yeah, yeah, all right then.

742
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: So I went and shout them all feed, you know.

743
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: And then as I was about to jump in the

744
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: car and lead, they're like, oh, can you buy us?

745
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: Can you come down to the pedroal station and buy

746
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: us something? I was like, all right then, So I

747
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: drove in the pedroal station. And when I walked in,

748
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: all that was all they wanted was toys, you know,

749
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: so they're pulling toys.

750
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: Off the rack and and funny and funny enough.

751
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: Feels it was a like a cap gun, like a

752
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: police badge, and it's one of those toys, you know,

753
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: and I was thinking no, no, And then I paid

754
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: for it.

755
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: All you know, they all took off.

756
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: I bought them a few kind of surprises and that too,

757
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: And ever since then they've always respected me. You know,

758
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: they're always every time they see me, ala mister and

759
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: give me knuckles and need all these same kids, And

760
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: I asked him, I spumped intohim about a couple of

761
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: weeks later, I said, hey, what that can to surprise

762
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: that you?

763
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, I got you. What do you do with

764
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: that toy?

765
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: And a couple of them like no, no, mister, we

766
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: gave it to our sister, you know, like, oh that's solid.

767
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's Jesus like making the difference little acts

768
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: like that.

769
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the fact that they respect you, and maybe

771
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: it was meant to be with all the tattoos over

772
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: your face and all that, because I think the kids

773
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: will look at that they'll you've got their attention to

774
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: start with. Yeah, and if you're steering them in a

775
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: good direction. But yeah, well the youth crime up there,

776
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: what what do you think the way it could be fixed?

777
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: And that's a big question that a lot of people

778
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: have been thinking about. But where where do you reckon

779
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: the core of the problem is Yeah, I.

780
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: Look to be honest, I honestly wouldn't have reckoned the

781
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: call the problems just with the adults that they're surrounding

782
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: them with.

783
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like for a private sale

784
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: of alcohol in.

785
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: A community is like two hundred anywhere between could be

786
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: two hundred, two hundred and fifty dollars for a bottle

787
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: of Jim Beaman, I mean.

788
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: Seven hundred meal bottle.

789
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so instead of these, instead of the

790
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: kids and all that getting fed with that money, the

791
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: adults their parents and they are going and buying you know,

792
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: like bottles and stuff like that and spending the food

793
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: money on that, and the kids got to go on

794
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: the street and fend for themselves and you know, fight

795
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: for themselves to get a feed and stuff like that,

796
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: and some of them they go back to jail juvis

797
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: because they get fed in that in thee you know

798
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: what I mean.

799
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a sad said cycle, isn't it.

800
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

801
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: How do you reckon you can make a difference? What

802
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: are the other stuff you've been doing? Like the boxing

803
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: that was what you got into initially. How long you've

804
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: been out for and.

805
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: Now I've been out for nearly two and a half years. Yeah, yeah,

806
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: so January twenty twenty three I got out.

807
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: Okay, what the other stuff are you doing?

808
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

809
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: So basically all I do is, well, I've been invited

810
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: to a few forums and conferences and stuff like that

811
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: for the youth. A few programs that I've got coming up,

812
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: and ones that I pay for out of my own

813
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: pocket too, you know, like it's so I don't get

814
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: any funny and like this next one in September, you know,

815
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: like it's I had a few young lads and that

816
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: asked me if I could go up to a community

817
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: just out of Catherine and teach them how one I

818
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: stayed sober for nine years too, how I've left the club,

819
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: the gang life three, how how I'm still doing what

820
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: I'm doing today and how I got to do with

821
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: what I'm doing today and they want me and with

822
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: all the prison and all that I've done, you know,

823
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: they just want me to tell me teach them that

824
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: and then running through a training session in the afternoon

825
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: in the night, so you know, like I said, yeah, yeah,

826
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: no worries. And you know, it started off just just

827
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: me and a couple of the young lads, you know,

828
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: and then like now it's blown out, Like I've got

829
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: some really good people like wild Man, like Dame Duffey

830
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: from wild Man Adventures. He's agreed, he wants he's flat,

831
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: he's coming out. And I've got Ann Didness, comedian from

832
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: w A. You know, Shane O, Uncle SHANEO. He's agreed

833
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: to come along too. You know, a couple other big

834
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: names that.

835
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Again to pop up.

836
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: And then we're going to go out there and just

837
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: run this like little program and stuff like that. And

838
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: it's not even a program, like it's just me going

839
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: there talking to them and then like we're going they're

840
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: going to teach us. I said, well how about you,

841
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: because I looked at all their photos on Instagram and

842
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: I've seen it all the hunting photo, all rangers and

843
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: that out there, I said, well, how about you just

844
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: take us out in your land. We'll go camping for

845
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: two three days, and you teach us about the land

846
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: culture and stuff like that, would take us fishing hunting,

847
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: I said, And when Arvo comes, I said, well, we'll

848
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: all get painted up. We'll go find a nice spot

849
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: in the floodplains, get all the boxing gloves and that out.

850
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: And I said, I've got my nephew up and down.

851
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: You know, it does a bit of boxing up there.

852
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: I said.

853
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: We'll run you through, you know, half an hour forty

854
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: five minute session every night that we're out there. And

855
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: then we'll go to sit down the fire while the

856
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: food's getting cooked and we'll have a yarn, and then

857
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: I'll teach you how I taught myself to be doing

858
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: the stuff that I'm doing today, and how about self

859
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 3: control and just living a much better life, you know

860
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: then living a drama free life, you know, so much

861
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: more enjoyable, that's for sure.

862
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: I can see the Yeah, I can see the joy

863
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: in your face talking about it, your light up, talking

864
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: about making a difference like that and what you just described.

865
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm just picturing that. That seems so cool. Yeah, it's

866
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, them feeling a sense of worth taking you

867
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: out on their land and showing you their ways and

868
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: then you you give me back a little bit like that. Well,

869
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's a ripple effect too, isn't it. You're

870
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: not going to not going to change the world, but

871
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: doing one thing if you can change one life. Yeah,

872
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: imagine if someone got hold of you early in your

873
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: life and steered you in the direction, gave you a

874
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: wake up call before you've done your ten years and yeah,

875
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: yeah and things.

876
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: Now, that's that's that's one hundred percent.

877
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: And you know, like I know, because it's because it's

878
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: difficult too, like you know, like trying to get to

879
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: this kid. Like I've gone to a couple of these

880
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: programs and stuff like that too, and they're just not interacting.

881
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: They just don't want to be there and things like that.

882
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: You know.

883
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: I've did visits to soul Bush soap bushes like a

884
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: pre release kind of pre prison for kids too. I

885
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: used to run every Friday, I run a boxing program

886
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: with them and just run through fitness fitness sessions and

887
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: that like every Friday, you know, for eighteen nearly two years,

888
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: you know. And so it's so the way I get

889
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: to it really is or get messages to everyone there

890
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: plus plus especially them, is TikTok, Instagram and Facebook, you know,

891
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: and it's just absolutely gone viral. A couple of videos

892
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: over that, you know, like and because I know that's bang.

893
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: As soon as they see like here all facetted up,

894
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, ankle monitor bang instantly interested in what what

895
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: what look I've got to say, you know, and I'll

896
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: start watching the amount of messages and inboxes I get

897
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: from them wanting help and support, like and from follows

898
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: in jail that have gotten out and say from Perth

899
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: like I'm talking casualine and hate here yat.

900
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: People just flat out like I don't even know. I'm

901
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: just hig brother, you know, my brothers.

902
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: You know, I just got out of lock up and

903
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: casuine and your name's getting thrown around prison there, you know,

904
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: from all the Nunga lads, you know, all the all

905
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: the indigenous, like they will watch your reels and they

906
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: are like you're getting spoken about it and they want

907
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: to do what you're doing.

908
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's cool.

909
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Tell us how people can find it? How where where

910
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: can they find it? On social media? People listening to them?

911
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: Ye yeah, it was just it's just my name and

912
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: they shatt an altouse.

913
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, just Google that and we'll type

914
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: that into the search box and yeah, they'll find it all.

915
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, and because you know, like obviously finding it

916
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: difficult to get ochre cards and that because they were

917
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: the crime that I was I got done charge with.

918
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: You know, they're violent, was a violent offense.

919
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: And because I haven't been out of prison long enough,

920
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: so the best way to but these kids and all,

921
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: they're over So they're over TikTok and all that most

922
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: of the time anyway, So you know, you get you

923
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: get more of a message to them through that kind

924
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: of stuff than what you would.

925
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're having difficulty with the establishment to work

926
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: work with kids because yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a

927
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: different way of reaching out to them.

928
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

929
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: So and it's just not just the kids too, like

930
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: it's it's every anyone, you know what I mean. I've

931
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: seen the struggles of kids and adults, you know, and

932
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: I was one of those adults, you know. So and

933
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: then I came out of it and absolutely smashing it

934
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: and loving it now, you know what I mean.

935
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: So, and I know when I was in jail.

936
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: There was a lot of my mates and a lot

937
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: of that wanted the same journey that I'm doing now,

938
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: they just keep getting trapped in that cycle.

939
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Well, kids, and you know it's not rocket so understand this.

940
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: But kids won't listen to someone that doesn't walk that path. Now,

941
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: if straighty one eighty goes in there and tells these kids, look,

942
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing this, they laugh and run away.

943
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: You go in there and your life's experiences. What about

944
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: in mental health with men and mental health? You say

945
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to help help adults. What's your message to adults?

946
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: Not the kids that find themselves they're thinking they can

947
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: never turn their life around.

948
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just simple, you know, like follow my journey.

949
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 3: Have a look at mine and Jeffrey Morgan's, like it's

950
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: all logged, it's all recorded, you know, Like you just

951
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: google my name and it just comes up with an

952
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: article after article from my past when I was you know,

953
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: when I was a bit of a bit of running up,

954
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: you know, So the good articles that I've been doing

955
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, you know, if I

956
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: could do it, there's no absolutely no excuse for anybody

957
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: out there whatsoever to say that they can't, you know

958
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like because the life that I had,

959
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: even through the near you know, the attempted murders.

960
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: On myself, you know what I mean, you know, and

961
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 2: then you know, like and then.

962
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: Going to jail for all those years before that crime

963
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: they didn't commit like that break that break you know,

964
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: some of the strongest blokes, you know what I mean.

965
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, it was that. Yeah, you learn

966
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: up there or in prison, and Jesus, you came, you

967
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: came close to bath, you came. Where are you a family?

968
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: You're still in contact with family and you're in a

969
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: relationship or HER's life going for you?

970
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, so I'm I'm definitely still in contact

971
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: with my family in dawn and stuff like that, and yeah, yeah, no,

972
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: I've got a I've got a missus, you know, a

973
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: beautiful lady. She's she's in I was just on the

974
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: Gold Coast with her dad. Yeah, she's she's she's from

975
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: the Goldie but she lives in ALUs for about ten.

976
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 2: To thirty years.

977
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah so yeah, yeah, so she's she's definitely one of

978
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: a kind of love of my life.

979
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: She's she's enjoying the journey that you going on.

980
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

981
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the opposite. You know, she likes to be

982
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: like trapped up. And she's not a not a people's

983
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: people you know. I mean, yeah, she's like real, real reserve.

984
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: You don't.

985
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: Provert and you're you're out there on social media.

986
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm out there just blowing up, you know. But

987
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, like she's always supportive. She always send me

988
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: some some mad messages and stuff like that, or support

989
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: loves you know, loves the fact that the reason why

990
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: I'm doing what I'm doing. You know, like she's attracted

991
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: to that too, you know.

992
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: So I think anyone would look at this and go,

993
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: that's that's cooling, trying to make a difference, and it's

994
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: balancing the ledger, isn't it. Yeah, the stuff that you've

995
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: done and now this is what you're doing. And I'm

996
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: a big believer in it. But no one wins if

997
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: we just keep blokes like you down, Like what what's what?

998
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: What joy is that?

999
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, that's exactly right.

1000
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: And you know, like, and I've even caught up with

1001
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: deputy superintendents and out of the anti corrections even wrote

1002
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: a letter to the commissioner and all that and said, look,

1003
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: you know, like put all the bullshit aside. You know, Yeah,

1004
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: I was an ex gang member. I was an ex

1005
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: prisoner and all that that shouldn't they shouldn't put a

1006
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: boundary or a barrier.

1007
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: Between you and I in order for me to come

1008
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: in there and have you answer these these fillers and

1009
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: try to get them as behaving going the right track,

1010
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: you know, and they just yeah, they just didn't want

1011
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: to borrow it.

1012
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: Like yep, No, I think there's examples here in New

1013
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: South Wales where they're becoming more open minded about that

1014
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: and seeing the benefits of people going in and yeah,

1015
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: passing on messages like that, people that have walked the path,

1016
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: because it does make a big difference, doesn't it.

1017
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it definitely does.

1018
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1019
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: Like I spent thirteen thousand dollars enough to film this.

1020
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: It's only a little short doc about my life before

1021
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: like when I went to jail. So it's got a

1022
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: little clips and stuff like that before I went to

1023
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: jail to what I'm doing today.

1024
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, where where will people find that?

1025
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: On Instagram? TikTok?

1026
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, got the title or just with your.

1027
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll see like the like it's just a video there,

1028
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: but you'll see like little news articles scattered around it too.

1029
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: So like you know, from when I was like chatting,

1030
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: auth House, mentoring youth and Alice Springs and stuff like that.

1031
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: So you see these little articles that pop up around it,

1032
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: and then yeah, if you just click onto it or

1033
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: just start playing, you know, and it starts off with

1034
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: like a Channel nine news report when they were talking

1035
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: about me going to jail, you know, so.

1036
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: I, well, obviously do my research before. I haven't guessed

1037
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: on Jeff vouch for you one hundred percent. And I

1038
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: chatted with you, and I liked the conversation we had,

1039
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: and I looked online. Yeah you've got the good and

1040
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: the bad. There's that ying and yang thing you got,

1041
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: yeah post and yeah, yeah your violent past, the things

1042
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: that you did. Have you got any regret or remorse

1043
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: about things that happened happened in the past.

1044
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely had definitely had some some regrets and remorse.

1045
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: I remember one time, actually two thousand and just before

1046
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: I got ran over, I think it was two thousand

1047
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: and sixteen, twenty sixteen, And this is when.

1048
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: I was still a little bit violent.

1049
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: But I remember the one There was one young fellow

1050
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: likes me, but when we were younger, you know, I

1051
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: punched him around and I still remember this day that

1052
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: I walked into the nightclub and I've seen him and

1053
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: he got frightened and he was he was all right,

1054
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: like you know, I just somebody convinced me to punch

1055
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: him around and yeah, just being an idiot and I

1056
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: did it, and just being a follower those that was

1057
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: back in the day, you know.

1058
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: And I went straight up to him and I apologized

1059
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: to him.

1060
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: I remember that, and you know, you know, like and

1061
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: you know that's like I said, I've made peace with

1062
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: my enemies, you know, and stuff like that, and yeah,

1063
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: I'll be quite happy even to jump on the podcast

1064
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: and with them and you don't shake their hand and

1065
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 3: front of everyone and just show like, you know, so.

1066
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: That peace can be.

1067
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: You can make peace with your pass and yourself no

1068
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: matter what the situation is, no matter who what your

1069
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: enemy done to you, like you can do it, you know.

1070
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: And that's that's where my head is right now. Like

1071
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: my head is at that stage right now where I

1072
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: could literally go to the follow who tried killing me

1073
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: right now and if you think we'd be sitting in

1074
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 3: there and I'd try nothing nothing but love and shake

1075
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: his hand and say, look, I've forgiven you. It's people

1076
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: as that like you know, I hope you know nothing

1077
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: but the best things for you in life.

1078
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: It's empowering, isn't it. Like I've got people that hate

1079
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: with a passion, But if I let that hate go,

1080
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, problem problems, problems gone. Like it

1081
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: is powerful to forgive. And I know we're talking talking

1082
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: deep here, but yeah, there's people that I'd love to

1083
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: smack their heads in, But then I think, no, I

1084
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: just let it go. I won't let it worry me.

1085
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: I forgive them, as you said, get on with their life.

1086
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: They're just trying to live their life. I'll live my life.

1087
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: And it takes a lot of a lot of pressure

1088
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: away from you.

1089
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And they're just on a different journey.

1090
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: Like and their mindset, like I said, they're their education

1091
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: levels of their mindset is just not as as quipped

1092
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: as yours.

1093
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well you're a classic example. I probably m two.

1094
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: You evolve, You learn, Yeah, you make your mistakes and

1095
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: you learn.

1096
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: You see reason and you see reason not to do

1097
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And you.

1098
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Why?

1099
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: But why would you? What are you going to achieve

1100
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: out of this?

1101
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1102
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: Like, where are you're heading?

1103
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: If you do that? There's only one place. The other, well,

1104
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: there's two things you're going to go probably more than

1105
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: likely it's jail and with enemies.

1106
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Now, and that's at the end of the day. Do

1107
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: you feel good about it? You're not going to feel

1108
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: good about it. You've taken a piece out of yourself.

1109
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: So I can't believe how much you learned just because

1110
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: you're lied about being I lied about being get a better,

1111
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: get a meal. Maybe that's the way. Yeah, that's yeah,

1112
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: maybe that was the way that you were meant to

1113
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: meant to learn. That's a classic.

1114
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's right, you know. And now now actually

1115
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: everything that pops up on my Instagram that it's got

1116
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: anything to do, what is them or mindfulness or zen

1117
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: or anything, I'm straight onto it.

1118
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, where do you hope your life will be

1119
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: in ten years time?

1120
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: It's funny, like I just really really do, like, you know,

1121
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: I hope that you know, I can still just continue

1122
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: on doing this journey, but have have people. I'm in

1123
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: the process now flying to Perth. I just came back

1124
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: from the Gold Coast. I got a invite to Melbourne.

1125
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: I've got to invite to South Australia to be on

1126
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: a national board for what I'm doing now, you know, so,

1127
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: and I'll try to build like a like a like

1128
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: a group of us, you know what I mean, we

1129
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: all can share, share our views and stuff like that,

1130
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: don't together.

1131
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: And there's a few, not all of.

1132
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: Them are you know, just good good people grew up

1133
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 3: in wealthy homes and stuff like that. Just to continue

1134
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: doing that, getting the word out, getting a heap of

1135
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: people follow me, and then when I go, you know,

1136
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: like start a campaign through the NT and get these

1137
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: kids from the streets into parks, training, getting their fitness up,

1138
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: getting their education back up, you know, get them you know,

1139
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: get them some sort of sense of life and living

1140
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: and to move them. So then yeah, because they're going

1141
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: to be running the country one day, you know what

1142
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: I mean. So like we don't want these kids and

1143
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: mess up, like because they're getting more and more and

1144
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: more and more every single year, thousands and thousands of

1145
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: thousands just getting worse and worse and ways.

1146
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: Well, incarceration right in Northern Territory for Indigenous kids.

1147
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: Is it's unreally Yeah, yeah, it's it's a chocker.

1148
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: I've seen the benefits down here around Redfern with stuff

1149
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: that Shane Phillips and he's mob do with tribal warrior

1150
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: and yeah, without prejudice, and it just yeah, it blows

1151
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: my mind. And I look, I hope, yeah, I understand

1152
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: the resistance from government organizations and that go will look

1153
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: at his past and all that, but I hope they

1154
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: can see past that, like, yeah, you're a classic case

1155
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: is don't judge a book by its cover.

1156
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a hundred percent. And you know what's

1157
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: funny too, I've had a couple of organizations, you know.

1158
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: When I got out, I reached out to him and

1159
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: asked him if you know, like if I could do something,

1160
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: they could, you know. But now that I've blown up,

1161
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: they've gotten in contact with me and asking if I

1162
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: could do something. When I was straight out, I was like, yeah, no,

1163
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: I was like, you want me to come do that?

1164
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: It's going to cost you. You know, you should have

1165
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: let me come in, you know, Like, well, and.

1166
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And I don't think you know, I

1167
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: can't give business advice. I'm not qualified for that by

1168
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: any means. But yeah, the stuff that you're doing costs money,

1169
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: and you've got them earn a living as well.

1170
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it.

1171
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: And you know what, Still to this day, everything I've

1172
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: done is voluntary. Like this trip that I'm doing now

1173
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: cost me tens of thousand dollars. The trip in September's

1174
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: costing me tens of thousands of dollars. The dock I

1175
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: spent out of my own money that cost me in

1176
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: a thirteen towns. I've not ever got any funding or

1177
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: anything whatsoever for everything I've done. Everything's been valid. I

1178
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: paid for my own fuel, pay for my own travel,

1179
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: my own accommodation, like for the last two and a

1180
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 3: half years. You know, it's just and it just puts

1181
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: me just luckily enough that the bloke who gave me

1182
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: an awesome job when I got released from jail and

1183
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: gave me a promotion, and he's getting another promotion, he's

1184
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: paying enough money that I can just sit back and

1185
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: I can I can work for you know, like a

1186
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: couple of months, and then that can pay for these trips. Yeah.

1187
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, full full credit to you. Do you you

1188
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: look back and think, Okay, I didn't get off to

1189
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: the best start, But are you you happy with the

1190
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: way your life's turned out there? Yeah?

1191
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

1192
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: Like, definitely didn't get off to a best start the

1193
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: journey that I'm heading now and where I'm at today,

1194
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: I'm just blowing away, you know what I mean, Like

1195
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 3: the people that's that I'm surrounding myself with the people

1196
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: that are getting in contact with me and willing to

1197
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: help me. You know, there's a lot more a lot

1198
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: of others. That's why it just goes to show, you know.

1199
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: That's why I try to tell people like just follow

1200
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: my journey, like you don't need other people to help you, like,

1201
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: you know, like as in for money wise whatever like that.

1202
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: You just got to know inside your own your own mind,

1203
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: your own willpower, that you can be successful. You can

1204
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: get out there, you can work, you can work hard,

1205
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: and you can educate yourself every single day and better

1206
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: your education in order to head down that direction, you

1207
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean, So to get life coaches and

1208
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 3: stuff like that. You know, Like that's one thing reason

1209
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: why I used to watch reels in that all the time,

1210
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 3: like we read books on that mindful's bosom and then

1211
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: now I watch reels and that on Instagram whatever like that,

1212
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: and signed up with Jeffrey's online coaching and program too,

1213
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: because you know, it just it helps that much in

1214
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: order to take me the next step further, like and

1215
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people just don't realize that. But back

1216
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: in the day, I'd be like, that's all bullshit, that's

1217
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: all bullshit. But it wasn't until something traumatic happened to me,

1218
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: like the near death experience and their near life experience

1219
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: in prison that woke me up and snapped me out

1220
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: of it and actually giving it a good shot, like

1221
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: not just picking the book up and reading a few

1222
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: pages and that's not doing nothing, or somebody giving you

1223
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: a bit of advice and you practicing it for a

1224
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: week or two or a month or two and then

1225
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: it's not working. But these things take months and months

1226
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: and months, not just weeks or a couple of months. Here,

1227
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: no quick fixes, no, No, it's like months, not a

1228
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: couple of years, you know, like years before even you

1229
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: even start to see something, Like you might not see

1230
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: it in the first six to twelve months, but others

1231
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? And then before you

1232
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: know it, like far out you're doing things that I'm

1233
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: doing now, you know.

1234
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: Look, and people wanting to hear your message. I think

1235
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting too. Yeah, definitely at the moment, Yeah,

1236
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: I heard about it I said, yeah, we want him

1237
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: on and get him on the pok us. But you

1238
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: know that's the way you got to spread the message

1239
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: and you might inspire other other people and you're getting

1240
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: you're getting the respect doing something that's worthwhile too. Yeah

1241
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: the respect is a tough guy. And but there you

1242
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: look at that and go, this is better, isn't it?

1243
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Most definitely.

1244
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way way more enjoyable, you know. I like,

1245
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: you know, just to go out there, get out, have

1246
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: a feed, go catch up with all these like all

1247
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: these young lads and stuff like that, and go out

1248
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: and do some training, training sessions and with them, have

1249
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: a have a yarn to them and a chat and

1250
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: tell them what, you know, where their life would be

1251
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: heading if they go down that direction, Like you know,

1252
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: it's it's not this. And not to glorify one of

1253
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff because they might think, you know,

1254
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: like oh, yeah, you know, sex, drugs and money and

1255
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: stuff like that. You know, that's the high life or whatever.

1256
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: But that's that's just the tiniest bit of part of

1257
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: what actually happens.

1258
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1259
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more, it's all it's more you know, assaulting

1260
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: or that collecting or you know, stuff that life threatening,

1261
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: stuff that could end your life.

1262
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: And whether it's you know, like six foot hundred.

1263
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: Or in jail, well, you know, we've heard quite a

1264
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: few redemption stories on eye catch killers. But Shannon, full

1265
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: credit to you, mate, like you should be proud of

1266
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and thanks for being so open and

1267
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: honest and talking about what you've been through in your journey.

1268
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: But I wish you all the best. Yeah, No, appreciate

1269
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: that good stuff. Keep up with good work. Yeah, it's

1270
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: been great having the yarn with cheers