WEBVTT - #2136 The Funsexual - Daviana Memont

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<v Speaker 1>I got a team. It's the bloody you project. It's Harps,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Stiff, it's Dabana, it's you. Welcome back post easter everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're fucking terrific, Tiff. Did you have a

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<v Speaker 1>good easter? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I've had so much chocolate?

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't have been better, couldn't have been better? Still got

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<v Speaker 1>a fridge full of it. Well, you've now got a

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<v Speaker 1>man in your life who's a fucking chef, who I reckon,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a chance that in about five years you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be six hundred pounds and he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>your feeder, right because probably you love like you get

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<v Speaker 1>angry and you've got a lot of food issues. Self

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<v Speaker 1>express everyone. I'm not throwing her under the bus, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the start of her issues, let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that's just the door opener. But he loves

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<v Speaker 1>feeding you. And while you tell him you have no

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<v Speaker 1>self compol control or impulse control, he makes you like

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<v Speaker 1>a kilogram of chocolate fudge. I know he's just keeping

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<v Speaker 1>himself safe. He was he trying to make himself like indisposable?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he He's safety protocol is just have food on

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<v Speaker 1>and throw it at a when things look unstable, and

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<v Speaker 1>so far it's working. Yeah, well it's quite effective. Also pathetic,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey do better, Scott do better. Speaking of pathetic, our

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<v Speaker 1>next guest isn't see what I did there? You thought? Fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>What's he going to say here? Jesus Dabiana, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the You Project? My friend? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? Thank you? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Is it offensive if I start off by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>for a biological mail, you're hot as fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a fucking huge compliment. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Wow, I'm I'm My body's confused at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>TIV so many issues going on. My body's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, Yeah, my brain's like no, bro, stop it?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? My kidding? Thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the silliness that is the You Project. I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to you and TIF have it your chat this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I call that research, which is the most research I've

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<v Speaker 1>done in over two thousand shows. Is listening to an

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<v Speaker 1>hour or somebody and diff knows that to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>True story?

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<v Speaker 1>That is so where just for my listeners who don't

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<v Speaker 1>know you or anything about you, where are you at Like,

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<v Speaker 1>where do you live.

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<v Speaker 2>I am in the United States and Massachusetts, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>on the East coast, Northeast coast of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been down under I have. That's not a metaphor

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<v Speaker 1>or a euphemism for anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, now I've done to Brisbane and Gladstone with Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>back in the late nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>How long were you in the Marines for four years?

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<v Speaker 1>Love it? Hate it, tolerate it?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Both all of the above.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with the best and what's the best and worst?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we don't have marines. We have you know, Army

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<v Speaker 1>and Navy and Air Force and special operators and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. But what's the best and what was the

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<v Speaker 1>and worst for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I would definitely say my I spent about two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half years with what was called the thirty first

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<v Speaker 2>Marine Exhibitionary Unit, and that's how I got to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia and time went to Thailand, so like that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the best part of it. And then like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was in the Marine Corps as a

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<v Speaker 2>diesel mechanic, so like I never really thought like I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be in any kind of high risk situation,

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<v Speaker 2>but then we got involved with Operation Desert Fox and

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<v Speaker 2>late ninety eight ninety nine. But then the worst part

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely my last duty station on an army base

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<v Speaker 2>in Missouri because it was just absolutely boring as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, and I wanted to re enlist and

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, yeah, you can re enlist after you

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<v Speaker 2>spend three years here, and I was like, I'm like no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out see it. It was like the deadliest dead zone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was terrible. It was absolutely boring. There was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do there but drink and feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Tiff, you should become a marine. Sounds like fun. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>he just described your ideal lifestyle. You nearly spat out

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<v Speaker 1>your drink while you're shoving and shoving it down your

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<v Speaker 1>gob there She's like, fucking what where do I sign?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that is wow? Wow. And for the last twenty

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<v Speaker 1>I think or so years, you've been a trainer, conditioning coach,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correcttions yet?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Giddy up? But a cup. Well, here's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>history for you. The bloke that's talking to you set

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<v Speaker 1>up the first personal training center in Australia in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety when and I started training pteing in eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>So forty fucking years ago. How old am I? Anyway? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no PT no qualification, no courses, no industry,

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<v Speaker 1>no insurance. Back when I started, it was the wild West.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's been a learning, a big learning. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of time. What made you become a trainer?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just because you tried yourself and you thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, I going to help others get in shype?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I actually it started when I was a kid

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<v Speaker 2>in high school in like ninety fourish, ninety five ish.

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<v Speaker 2>I met a girl that had a broken back and

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<v Speaker 2>as they were told that she would never walk again,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not. You know, if she could walk, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>never play sports again. And for some reason I just

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<v Speaker 2>decided to be myerside as much as possible and got

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<v Speaker 2>her walking again and stuff like that. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>joined the Marine Corps for a couple of reasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of them was that I liked to

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<v Speaker 2>help people. And then when I got out, I was

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<v Speaker 2>before I went in, I was doing time boxing and

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<v Speaker 2>kickboxing at a studio, and about a year after I

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<v Speaker 2>got out, I ran into the guy that ran the

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<v Speaker 2>place and he was like, you got to come down

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<v Speaker 2>here and check it out. We're picking up cars and

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<v Speaker 2>logs and stones and stuff. So he's talk about strong man.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, all right, yeah, I went there

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<v Speaker 2>and I did one competition and took second place, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he recommended I become a coach. So I became

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<v Speaker 2>a coach and that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest is history. What's the best part about being

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<v Speaker 1>a trainer or coach for you? Like, what is one

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<v Speaker 1>mikes you happy in the middle of all of that?

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<v Speaker 2>People with injuries, and like, I like special population people,

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<v Speaker 2>So like I've dealt a lot with kids with injuries,

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<v Speaker 2>people with strokes, cancer, brain tumors, all sorts of diseases

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<v Speaker 2>that are like autoimmune stuff like that that they really

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<v Speaker 2>struggle to get strong with. And then competitors people that

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<v Speaker 2>want to compete in powerlifting and strong man and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So I got very quickly got tired of

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<v Speaker 2>the typical weight loss client that was just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>constantly lying to you about that fruit intake. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like people that didn't really want to help themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>They just wanted to feel good about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they went to the gym and then continue to go

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<v Speaker 2>eat pizza and shit. All they.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to do all of my clients, well nearly

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<v Speaker 1>all of my clients, for all of my I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>fitness industry career, sports and conditioning career, I made them

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<v Speaker 1>fill out a diary. Well I required them to. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to, but that was one of the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>back in the old days before trackers, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 1>so they would have to fill out, you know, everything

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<v Speaker 1>and what time did you get up, what time did

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<v Speaker 1>you go to bed? You know, all the tea, coffee, booze,

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<v Speaker 1>water as well as obviously food, and what time you

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<v Speaker 1>wait and like a lot of information. Probably took them

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes a day. And it's so interesting how many

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<v Speaker 1>people would turn up and I'd look at their diary

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd look at them and I'm like, nah, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not eating this, you're not drink like this is

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<v Speaker 1>not especially over time, you know, when you see over

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<v Speaker 1>three months, every day it's a fucking chicken salad and

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<v Speaker 1>two glasses of water and four gulps of air and

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<v Speaker 1>they've gained ten kilos or you know, you like bros,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like I like you, you're a good dude or

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<v Speaker 1>dude at but I'm like, we need to because your

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<v Speaker 1>problem is not your genetic potential, it's not your physiology.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like your decision making and your ability to execute

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<v Speaker 1>the things we need to do. So how do you

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<v Speaker 1>approach that when you know that somebody is lying to

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<v Speaker 1>you without being Because I think most people, including me,

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<v Speaker 1>at times in my life, like I was morbidly obeste

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<v Speaker 1>when I was younger, and then even when I was

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<v Speaker 1>got in really good shape and I started all my

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<v Speaker 1>fitness industry career, but there was a time there where

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<v Speaker 1>I really struggled because I've got heaps of fucking issues

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the club about my body and food, and

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like a complete fraud. But I was Essentially

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<v Speaker 1>I was just said actually telling people to do stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I couldn't do or I wasn't doing right. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you handle that when you know someone's got good

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<v Speaker 1>intentions and you know they could be in great shape,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know the biggest limitation is not their potential,

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<v Speaker 1>but what they're doing to their body and then lying

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<v Speaker 1>to you about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So as soon as I caught on to the lies,

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<v Speaker 2>which was probably like in the first four or five

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<v Speaker 2>years of my career, I started the same thing. Having

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<v Speaker 2>people feel our diaries, And it's actually a prerequisite now

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<v Speaker 2>for any of clients that I take on that they

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<v Speaker 2>have to show me five days worth of food tracking

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of time. And I tell them point blank, don't lie, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell me that God out is truth, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you lie to me and I start to manipulate your

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<v Speaker 2>diet plant according to what you've told me you've been eating,

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<v Speaker 2>chances are I'm going to give you something slightly stepped

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<v Speaker 2>in the right direction, and if you've been lying to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a bigger step than it should be,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're going to fail. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I tell them point blank that if I ever think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're lying to me, I'll drop you as a

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<v Speaker 2>client because your your money is not any good to

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<v Speaker 2>me if you're lying, Like, I don't want clients walking

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<v Speaker 2>around saying, you know, I'm coached by Strength Discovery and

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<v Speaker 2>you see no progress. So like, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>lie to me, or if you're going to not going

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<v Speaker 2>to make progress in the next three months, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to fire you as a client. I'm just I

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<v Speaker 2>want to think it's that simple.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to say to my clients if they would

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<v Speaker 1>do that, it's not good for you and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>good for me, you know, because people go, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>trained with Greg for a year and in simple terms,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work. I'm like, well, that's not the whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like E like, yes, I want you to get

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<v Speaker 1>a great outcome for you, but also a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I want to produce good you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. It's not great for business if your clients

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<v Speaker 1>aren't achieving. So it's got to be a two way thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, now, how many how many podcasts do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you've been on? I was thinking before about this

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of views showing up? I think eight or

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<v Speaker 1>nine now, okay, so not a lot. Yeah, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>sud in the last like three months. Yeah, great, great.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do most people? I mean, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into your story, but I also don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be let's talk about this and then you did that?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you do that? Right at the tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about your journey living as like wherever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>start and whatever you want to leave out or in,

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<v Speaker 1>but starting to live as a woman and dressing that

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<v Speaker 1>way and identifying and and what I loved about Tiff was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the funniest thing you said was I'm fun sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I think I'm going to call the

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<v Speaker 1>title of the episode that tif. When I saw your title,

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<v Speaker 1>I went, thank god you didn't use that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to explain Dabiana what that means. What does

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<v Speaker 1>fun sexual mean? I know it's a you created word,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's see if we can.

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<v Speaker 2>Get it and then we actually now sell products to

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<v Speaker 2>with that on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it out? What does it mean to you? So?

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<v Speaker 2>Fun sexual means to me? So everybody always asks me.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, so, you're a biological male, but you now

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<v Speaker 2>identify as female or your transition to look like female,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're only into females, Like, does that make you

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<v Speaker 2>a lesbian? I'm like, you guys always trying to categorize me.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, well, have you been with the man before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, I've been with a man, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>with a trans woman. I've been with a woman. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're bisexual, you're panchextual. Everybody's trying to put you

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<v Speaker 2>into some sort of category. And I'm like, I'm fun

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<v Speaker 2>sexual and what I mean by that is like the

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<v Speaker 2>partner that I want to have for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>my life. I want to be female. Yeah, now in

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<v Speaker 2>that process of being with a female, and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>with females like like, I enjoy kink and fetish and

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<v Speaker 2>bondage and I was introduced to it at a very

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<v Speaker 2>young age. Actually, that's the best thing that ever came

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<v Speaker 2>out of that last duty station I had. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that's probably not the worst part of the Marine Corps.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when I think about second guess that one so

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<v Speaker 2>like I hit about I want to say, when I

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<v Speaker 2>was like in my early thirties, at some point I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like I said to myself and said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm like, I'm not going to say no anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm going to base it on vibe and

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<v Speaker 2>like personality and just like if I'm in a situation

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a group of people and they all want

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<v Speaker 2>to have like some fun, like I'm gonna go have

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<v Speaker 2>some fun and I'm not going to care what's between

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<v Speaker 2>the legs, what's like Like, it's just I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go with the flow and if I like it, great,

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<v Speaker 2>If I don't like it, great too, Like, but like

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<v Speaker 2>I told myself, I'm like, I'm going to try things

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<v Speaker 2>three times to make sure I don't like it. And

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's like, well three times, I'm like, well, because the

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<v Speaker 2>first time you try something, you might just be weirded

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<v Speaker 2>out because you tried something that like was labeled as

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<v Speaker 2>gay or labeled as taboo or labeled as like fetish

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<v Speaker 2>or just wrong. I'm like, the second time you try it,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was the wrong person or like you still

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<v Speaker 2>were on nerves. The third time you try it, you're

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<v Speaker 2>either going to like it or be like now, fuck no.

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<v Speaker 2>The same for me, yes, So that's why I say

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<v Speaker 2>three times, And so a fun sexual means to me

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<v Speaker 2>is that like I'm not in any box. I'm when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to sex and just sex. If I'm by myself,

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<v Speaker 2>like not partnered, or if I'm with a partner that's

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<v Speaker 2>open to playing with other people whatever, like if the

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<v Speaker 2>vibe is right, we're just going to do what we

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, like and that's the end of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like at the end of the day, if I have

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<v Speaker 2>a partner, me and my partner will go home and

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<v Speaker 2>be with each other. And if I don't have a partner,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, whatever, it doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just I don't look at what people do

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<v Speaker 2>in their bedroom or behind whatever closed doors is something

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<v Speaker 2>that we need to put a box around. I need

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<v Speaker 2>to label it. And it's also nobody else's fucking business,

0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.200
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that people want to know like who

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<v Speaker 2>you're sleeping with and what kind of sex you have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, how is this your business? You know? That's

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<v Speaker 2>It's just one of those things where it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>people want to put a label on you because everybody

0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.080
<v Speaker 2>wants to know everything. So it's just like I'm creating

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<v Speaker 2>my own label and that's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>S actual Tiff, can you please because you're the lady

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<v Speaker 1>on my now, are you happy to call me a lady? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of a lady, Like you're all three of

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<v Speaker 1>us are different, right, You're a hybrid? Sure? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen you're a bit of a hybrid. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen a zonkie? Either of you? Yeah? So a

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<v Speaker 1>zonkie is literally half donkey half zebra. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>the tyt zonkey, right and you know it, you fucking

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<v Speaker 1>love it. But just for how was the audience whill laugh?

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<v Speaker 1>And for the American on the interview, could you tell

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<v Speaker 1>tell Dabiana what a box is in Australia. What a

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<v Speaker 1>box is? Well, she kept saying, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a box.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, already, I know what you mean by yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We use that same slang term here. It's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but when I say boxes, so we also use that

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<v Speaker 2>term here. Its very strongly. It's like and the reason

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<v Speaker 2>we use box is because when people fill out forms,

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<v Speaker 2>there's always boxes to check.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just fucking with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, I totally get it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you and I were mates, which is not a

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<v Speaker 1>sexist term, if you and I are mates here, I

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<v Speaker 1>would call you Brosfine. I feel like you call me Brosfine,

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<v Speaker 1>I do call it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that's because you're a hybrid. You're a zonkie. You're

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<v Speaker 5>straight up zonkie. Masquerading is a donkey. What about when

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<v Speaker 5>you're in the Marines, did this door open? Did anyone

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<v Speaker 5>have an awareness of how you felt? And you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>what what you Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You have sexuality or your now?

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the other reasons I joined the Marines

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<v Speaker 2>is because this was basically a feeling that I had

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<v Speaker 2>ever since I was a kid and thought, like with

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<v Speaker 2>the way I was raised, that it was wrong and

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't feel this way. So one of the other reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>besides the fact that I liked helping people, that I

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<v Speaker 2>joined the Marine Corps was because I like my decision

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<v Speaker 2>was to join the service, and then it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you might as well join the toughest service that you

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<v Speaker 2>know that America has to office, so that way maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they can beat this feeling out of you. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>literally thought that this feeling would be something that like

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<v Speaker 2>if I did the manliest thing possible, like I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel this way anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't work, did you think it was? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because you grow up being programmed to a point and

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<v Speaker 1>control and manipulated and coerced to think a certain way

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<v Speaker 1>and see life and relationships and gender a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Was there any what was the emotion associated? I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to say, is there any Was there any

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<v Speaker 1>guilt because you were pushing against the grind or whatever? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the emotion wrapped around that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>put on a frock and some fucking stilettos and get

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<v Speaker 1>after it. Like, what was the emotion?

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<v Speaker 2>So there was definitely a ton of guilt. Like when

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<v Speaker 2>I first started doing it, like on my own, I

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<v Speaker 2>was very young. I was like seven or eight, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like dressing up in my mom's lingerie and

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<v Speaker 2>her boots and heels and stuff, when like she wasn't home, skirts,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole bit. You know, I could never put on

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<v Speaker 2>her tops because my mother was a very well endowed

0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.240
<v Speaker 2>woman and I was a tiny, tiny little kid, So

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<v Speaker 2>like that didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know to know about your mom's tits, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>carry on.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so like when I actually got a partner

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<v Speaker 2>that it was okay with me doing this. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing is is that, like I enjoyed the moment

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<v Speaker 2>so much, but like when the moment was over, I

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<v Speaker 2>had this massive guilt in my head and like I

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<v Speaker 2>was like I couldn't get the clothes off fast enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get the makeup off fast enough. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe she thought less of me because of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and like it just it destroyed, It destroyed the whole

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 2>moment for me afterwards. But like the concept of getting

0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.280
<v Speaker 2>prepped and ready and putting on hair and makeup and

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<v Speaker 2>getting dressed in something nice, or like if we went out,

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.320
<v Speaker 2>because we would go out in public and go to

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants and go on dates, like all of that felt

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<v Speaker 2>so good, but as soon as it was over, it

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.560
<v Speaker 2>was just like, Okay, get this stuff off me, let

0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.639
<v Speaker 2>me get in the shower, wash my face, and go

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<v Speaker 2>back to being Dave. So like, it was definitely guilt

0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 2>that would come and go, but then as I got

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<v Speaker 2>more comfortable in it and more happier with it, the

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<v Speaker 2>guilt just faded away. And now this is the if

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't had guilt in it in years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, amazing, amazing. Well, and also I love the fact

0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.879
<v Speaker 1>that you and TIV spoke so much about happiness and

0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.199
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't hear either you're a great actor or

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<v Speaker 1>you're really fucking happy. I'm pretty sure it's be like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you did this thing that nobody taught

0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.360
<v Speaker 1>told or trained you to do or become, or this

0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.440
<v Speaker 1>door that you open, whatever fucking metaphor we want to use,

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.919
<v Speaker 1>and on the other side of that door, you found

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.640
<v Speaker 1>happiness that you don't actually have to explain to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I think one of the best things that

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<v Speaker 2>I can say to people is like, people like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're transitioning to be a woman, and I'm like, no,

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm transitioning to be me. Yeah, Like that's it like

0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.919
<v Speaker 2>this is just me, like and like I mean, just

0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.280
<v Speaker 2>in the last like five days, I've gotten beat up

0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 2>on social media by some guy that is completely upset

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.399
<v Speaker 2>about the fact that I am not gay, that I

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 2>had identify biologically as a man, and he's like he's

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.960
<v Speaker 2>been ongoing harassing me to the point where he's pulled

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<v Speaker 2>up like divorce records and like went publicly telling people

0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that I'm a threat to society because I'm not gay

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 2>and because I like women. It's been ridiculous and like

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it's just like I don't even know how

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to explain it, Like it just I'm so comfortable being

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<v Speaker 2>who I really am now that like people were expecting

0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.600
<v Speaker 2>me to like fire back against this person, like extremely

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.359
<v Speaker 2>harsh and yelling extremely because he went above and beyond.

0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 2>He literally put up a public document from my divorce

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>that involved my access last first and last name, my

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.920
<v Speaker 2>daughter's first, last and middle name, publicly put it out

0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.399
<v Speaker 2>there for everybody to see. Wow, And like I was

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.520
<v Speaker 2>just like I got online and just told them that

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 2>like I fell bad farm for being this nasty of

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 2>a person, and that was it for me. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the biggest like aha, moments for me,

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.160
<v Speaker 2>like realizing how happy I was was. So I had

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 2>a therapist for like four years, and the first day

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I showed up for therapy dressed, she just looked at

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>me and she was just like like floored. Her mouth

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 2>was wide open. She was just like, oh my god.

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm like what. She goes. She goes, You're friggin shining.

0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 2>She goes, You're beautiful, You're glowing. She goes you, she goes,

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 2>you look absolutely stunning. She goes, And I don't mean

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.240
<v Speaker 2>that because of like your outfit or the way your

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 2>makeup looks. She goes, I just mean like she goes,

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 2>like you can see it just coming out of you

0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>as to how happy you are. And I'm like, yeah, no,

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 2>this is this is genuinely me. And it's like after

0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the surgeries I've had and with the estrogen helping and

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. Like I look, whenever I'm on a

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 2>podcast or I'm live with TikTok or or Instagram or whatever,

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes I catch myself staring at myself going, holy shit,

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's you. Like Wow, that's that's you.

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, for what it's worth, you kind of hot,

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 1>which you know, good I don't know what to do

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:29.679
<v Speaker 1>with that, though. I think maybe maybe one of the

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.439
<v Speaker 1>reasons people try and put you in a box, in

0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a category, you know, to be able to label you

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>is because they're that that makes them feel better, rather

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>than they don't like it's like, oh, well you're a

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I need a label. I need to know what you

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>are exactly because it doesn't make sense to me and

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 1>this whole kind of ah, you don't need to give

0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.119
<v Speaker 1>me a label. It's like, I think it's more about

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>their issues than any issue you've ever had or will

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 1>ever have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I completely agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I don't know how we get around that.

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 1>But so when did you start to think about, Okay,

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:16.199
<v Speaker 1>this might maybe I'm not the guy, maybe I'm not

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 1>just day that likes to put on women's clothes, are

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>wear female clothing? But when did you start to get

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>closer to the idea of nah, I might just want

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>to live like this, Because there must have been an

0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>internal kind of doing and throwing about all the potential

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>outcomes of that.

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>So I would say the turning point for that where

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, this is kind of more me

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>was when I started to realize just like, how much

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>happier I was, yes, but also so when I was

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 2>running my gym and I was married and my daughter

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 2>was in school or in daycare or whatever, Like if

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 2>I had free time, I would really run home and

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.679
<v Speaker 2>get dressed up for a couple of hours and just

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 2>feel good. And like I would take pictures and send

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.200
<v Speaker 2>them to my wife at the time, and like she'd

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>be like, Oh, that looks really good, but maybe you

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:11.400
<v Speaker 2>should change your makeup a little bit. It's a little

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>bit too heavy here, too heavy there. Like I was

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to master my craft of looking as pretty as

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I could being also as big and as jacked as

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I was with my square jaw and everything, like, because

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 2>like my face was completely different from what it is now.

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 2>But like that started to become an issue to the

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 2>point where I started talking to my wife about the

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 2>concept of transitioning and she's like, okay, She's like, I'm

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>fine with it. We just got to get our daughter

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>into therapy if you do it, and then put it

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 2>on hold because just around like I want to say,

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty ish, I was already following

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of transgenders and crossdressers and people that were

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 2>into it, and then like somebody recommended that I get

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a profile on Reddit to learn more about it and stuff,

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.399
<v Speaker 2>and I started researching doctors and all that other stuff

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 2>and the homownes the whole bit. And then I started

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 2>to see within the trans community there was like, especially

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 2>on Reddit, Reddit is like the worst place to be

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>because it's like if you don't follow like certain people's

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 2>ideologies of what you should be, what pronouns you should

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 2>be using, and how you should go about it, Like

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>they really get hateful amongst each other. Like the only

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 2>support that there was far each other is someone that

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 2>was doing the exact thing is someone else, And if

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 2>something was varying from that is somebody would always pick

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>a fight with them and be like, oh, well you

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>should do this first, because this is the way to

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 2>do it. And I was just like, and I saw

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 2>how hateful it was, and I saw them coming out

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and like being polarized on social medias, and I was

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>just like I took a backstep, and I was like,

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I don't want to be a part

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>of that community, Like I don't if I transition now,

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and like I'm going to be labeled part of that community,

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>like I don't want it. I'm like, they have very

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>hateful people. They're hateful towards each other and others. But

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I actually saw more hate towards each other than I

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>did see like anywhere else, And a lot of it

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>was like hate that they portrayed, like when people were

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 2>talking about like, oh, this person clocked me today and

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>so fucking pathetic. And I'm like, I'm like, you're six

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 2>foot four and you're wearing a dress and makeup, but

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 2>yet you have facial hair and you're wondering why people

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>are staring at you, like what do you expect? Yes,

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and you're getting upset stared at. But like I mean,

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and for me, it was like I spent a lot

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>of time getting stared at as well, being six feet

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and twenty pounds and like like any dress

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>or sleeveless shirt I wore, it was like, you know,

0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 2>my arms were huge, my shoulders were huge, My trap

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>for ginormous, like and people even now say like, oh,

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna lose some more muscle mass, and I'm like,

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>I've lost so much it's ridiculous. But I spent a

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of time out in public at first, worrying about

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>what everybody else was looking at me and what they

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 2>were thinking, and it made my life miserable. So like,

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>right around that same time, I was like, oh, this

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 2>is like I can't do this, this is like it's

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>too much. And it wasn't until after my divorce where

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I started to have more free time because we have

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>fifty custody, So like I started doing it more and

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>more and got more comfortable with it and more happy

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>about it and smiled more and stopped caring about what

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>other people were looking at and focused on what I

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>was doing, who I was with and just being happy.

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And I got so much more comfortable and didn't care

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 2>what people looked at. And I actually think it portrayed

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>as like people noticed me, but I think they noticed

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that like I didn't care and that I was happy.

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>So I think in that sense, I actually got treated

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 2>better because I didn't look like someone who was trying

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to like be meek and hide. I was something that

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>was very happy and proud of what I was doing

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 2>with myself. So I think that had a lot to

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 2>do with it about my changing and my feeling better

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and might being like, Okay, I'm ready to do this,

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>let's let's talk next steps.

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>In order to find Thank you. That's really enlightening I

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>find because I spent my life like you in gym's,

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>owning gym's, running gym's. You know, I had five hundred

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>trainers that worked for me over a quarter of a century.

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And like my relationship with muscle, like there was a

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>real long time where because I was this more believe

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 1>obese kid who turned into someone who was in pretty

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>good shape and pretty jacked at times and blah blah blah.

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>So I really my identity was in how I looked,

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>which of course is not super healthy, right, we know that,

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>but lots of issues that I've spoken about many times.

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>But do you have a complicated relationship with muscle because

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>most dudes in the gym and a lot of girls

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>like Tiff, I mean, Tip's on a mission. She wants

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 1>to be as jacked as possible, and she's pretty fucking jacked.

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the red hot Tip. And but then, like,

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>as I've gotten older, right, obviously I've lost size, I'm

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>still lean, I've still got muscle. You know, I'm still

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>probably way better than average in terms of functionality for

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>all that shit. But what about you? Because there must

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>have been a time where you loved being jack. You

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>love being you know, hard as a cat said, and

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>veins everywhere. And that was like because most young males

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>or even older males want that. Now you're going, oh,

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>i'm doing estrogen, I'm losing muscle, Probably my body fat's higher.

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Then it's definitely higher than if I wasn't doing it.

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>How do you navigate not the physical but the emotional

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and psychological around that stuff.

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>So at first I had a huge problem with that

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>where I started watching my numbers go down drastically, But

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I kind of like let it slide because I also, like,

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I started estrogen and I was still lifting four to

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 2>five days a week heavyweights, and I was still like

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>actively prepping for competitions, so I didn't lose too much.

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until I started my surgeries. So I had

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>three surgeries in the course of like fourteen months, and

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>each surgery required like two months off. Wow, fourteen months.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>There was six months that were sporadically here and there

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't get to work out. And when I

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>did get to work out, it was like slowly build

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>back up to being able to handle weight and then

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>get to a place where I felt good, and then

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>it was like, okay, time to back off for another

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>surgery and it would just itself. So I did a

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 2>powerlifting meat a couple of months ago just to see

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 2>where I was and see how much my numbers had dropped.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And my goal was to only go like a five

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds less than when my last total was, and

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I did. I succeeded past that, which I was very

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>happy about. So like for me mentally though, like the

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>body change, I was very scared of losing muscle. At first,

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I was always like, you know what, I'm going to

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>be a muscle barbie. I'm going to keep everything this,

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>that and the other thing. And since I've backed off

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>of that and I focused more on getting like leaner

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and slimmer and losing some muscle size, I have come

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to terms that I really am appreciating how much more

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 2>feminine my body is looking. So at first was it difficult, yes,

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>But now like when I look in the mirror, when

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, for instance, like the other day, I tried

0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>on a couple of different dresses that I'm going to

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>be wearing out to a gallon this Friday, and I

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>sent them to some girlfriends of mine and they were

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 2>like holy shit, and I posted them on social media

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and people like, oh my god, like rock that dress

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>and like that has really mentally helped me change my

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>mindset about that stuff, and like I've kind of I've

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 2>gotten my mindset kind of more focused on like creating

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the curves that I want, you know, having a larger

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>hip size, a smaller waist, but like keeping my quads,

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 2>which they're much smaller than they were, but they still

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>stick out quite you know, predominantly. Yeah, and my arms

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>are probably half the die diameter that they used to

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 2>circumference that they used to be, but they're still for

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>female standards larger. But like I've come to terms with

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 2>it and being okay with it. So like I definitely

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 2>thought it was going to be an issue, like right

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, because even some of my friends that

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I lived with were like, You're gonna drop a lot

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.719
<v Speaker 2>of size and muscle. I'm like, I know, I know.

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like like are you ready for that? I'm like no,

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm like, yeah, one day at a time

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 2>and see how it goes. And seeing the progressive change

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>not only in my face but in my body has

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 2>been like like every now and then I say to myself, like, damn, girl,

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 2>you're doing good. Yeah, yeah, I'm happy about it. So

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think that there was an intimittent period of

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 2>probably about six to eight months where I was just like, oh,

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>this sucks, but I'm I'm past that now to the

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>point where I'm very happy with the way my body

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>is starting to turn out.

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, amizing clothes fit. I wanna how do I sign this?

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Tell me if I don't think this is offensive, But

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fucking idiot.

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't get offended about anything.

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you do not look like you sound so yes, right,

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 1>so there's gonna be people listening to this gun. There

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 1>is definitely some big fucking ja head that Cry is

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>talking to right now who looks like chro Magnan man,

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>some fucking Neanderthal. But let me tell you, folks, she

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like that at all. It's like at all.

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Like so, and that made me think about this story

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>you shared with Tiff, where I don't know, I think

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it was recently. You were you were in a store

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>and you you and a person, a dude, were leaving

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and he kind of looked at

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you and went oh and opened the door for you

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>opening the door for a lady. And then I was

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>just wondering though when you went, yeah, thank you. So

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>there's Daviana and then Dave speaks like, how the fuck

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>do people respond? Because you look a certain way that

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't sound it.

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>So I've been doing voice therapy helps a lot of

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 2>people have asked the same question, like, even on hormones

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 2>for two years, how come you have voice isn't changing?

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's a very big thing that people misunderstand. So

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.280
<v Speaker 2>when you're transitioning from female to male and you take testosterone,

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>testosterone will naturally thicken the vocal cords, therefore making your

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>voice deep. Estrogen will not slim them out. So I

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>do do voice training, and when I'm not talking fast

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>like this and I just have one or two words

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 2>to say, like thank you or something like that, I

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 2>can manipulate my voice. So it's a little bit softer,

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>not as deep, a little bit more high pitched, and

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I changed the way I end what I say and

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 2>it sounds a lot more feminine. My voice right now

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>is actually lighter than it normally is. So when they

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>tested it on I'm not sure if it was decibels

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 2>they measured or what. But the depth of my voice

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>when I first started was measured at like a thirty

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>five or forty, which, from what they said, is like

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:50.919
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, like some of the deepest voices tested. Yes, now,

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>on average, I'm sitting around sixty five seventy, but with practice,

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I can get it up to like ninety. But what

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>they want me at I wanted me to get to,

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>which is the average female voice somewhere like the one

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>sixty to two hundred range. Chances are I'm not going

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 2>to get there without getting the vocal cord surgery, which

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>means they just shave down each vocal cord and you

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>can't talk for a couple of weeks, and then it's

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 2>just it's it sounds different, the pitch is different, the

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>tone is different. And then with more voice therapy, you

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>get to sound the way you want. So when someone

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 2>opens the door for me and I respond by saying

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 2>thank you, I changed the way I breathe and I

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>changed the way I speak, you can hear me saying now,

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 2>so look, I'll give you an example. So here's thank

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 2>you right now, thank you. Okay, yeah, but now my

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>regular voice would be more like, thank you, this is

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>my real voice.

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what's the nine of that? I'll do two

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>for Dabiana that I'll dude? Is it Morgan Freeman, the

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>one with that does the movies?

0:37:59.480 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yep?

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Well you know, you know, like the dude that was

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in Share Shank. Yeah, you were pretty much him. Yeah.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So many people told me that you should be

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>doing voiceovers and I'm like, yeah, no, I don't want to.

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Hey without going where you don't want to go. Tell

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>me about as much or as little your wife and

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the the marriage dissolving or whatever we want to call it,

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>was that was that traumatic? Was that? Okay? Was that?

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>What was that?

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.799
<v Speaker 2>So our marriage dissolved? I would say the main thing,

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 2>which is the reason why most people dissolve is for

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>poor communication and a disconnect that was just wasn't there.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 2>So my marriage was very much a fun and playful marriage.

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 2>We experienced bondage, kink, playing with other couples, other singles,

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>We uh had play partners, and she was totally on

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 2>board with like me dressing and you know, presenting female.

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>We went out on dates as me as a female.

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 2>We went to sex clubs, all sorts of stuff like that.

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>When we got pregnant and had a child, she basically

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 2>thought that all that was going to be over right,

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and that started. That was the start of the disconnect.

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I say so that was probably the beginning of the end,

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 2>because when I met her, I told her point blank,

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>like this is what I'm into, this is what I

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>like to do, and she was like, great, I'm in

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>let's go. And I was like, awesome, I met someone

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>that's just as open minded as me. Yeah, only to

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>find out that when she wanted to start a family,

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>she just expected that to disappear. So I mean kind

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of chalk it up as to like almost like false advertisement,

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Like you said you were into me for me, but

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>now it's like you have a child, Like now you

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>expect me to just aandomly change like just like that.

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, so that was the That was

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the end, and it just progressed to

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:11.439
<v Speaker 2>our worse. But I didn't transit until two years later,

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 2>three years.

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So where you live is an allegedly wink wink Christian country.

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but anyway, it's.

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Got to be a Muslim country here pretty soon.

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, stam By, everyone, what what pushback or what

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 3>experiences have you had with the Christians or any other

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 3>religion or let's just go, let's ballpark it too religious people.

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they've I'm sure they've connected with you.

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I've got I get a fair share of people that

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>come in their lives and that will just say, you know,

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 2>you need to find God, or they'll say things like

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, you're going to have trouble when you

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>meet your maker stuff like that. But like when I

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.760
<v Speaker 2>have people that actually reach out to me in DMS,

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the Christians are the nicest ones. Wow. The Christians are

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>always like, hey, I'm a straight Christian female or I'm

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>a straight Christian male and I'm married and this that

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 2>and the other thing. And I just want to say

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>that your message is great, and like, you know, I

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>don't exactly agree with what you're doing, but I love

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.399
<v Speaker 2>the way that you're handling it, you know, the way

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 2>you told your daughter. Because I have that story out

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>in public, Like, I get a lot of support from

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 2>regular people.

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>And it's true that we can maybe not love what

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 1>someone does, but love them, you know. Yeah, like we

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 1>don't have to think like this isn't what you were

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>talking about before. On Reddit, It's almost like people have

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to live in an echo chamber or a thought cult

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>or you know what we would call in psychology confirmation

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>bi us or whatever, right where well, if you don't

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>think like me, or you don't agree with me, or

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't have my habits or lifestyle of values, that's

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>like we can't be friends. Also, by the way, you're wrong,

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm right. It's and this could be about as you know,

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>like in the gym, right, this could be on how

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 1>to train. There are crossfits, bullshit, crossfits amazing. You know,

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>being a vegan stupid. Being a carnival is stupid. Like

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>there are the echo chambers for every facet of.

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Life, right, Yeah, And I would say that I give

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>you some good. So I recently went on a dating app,

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 2>and uh, anytime I would see a profile where someone

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>would right like, uh no maga, no leftist, no rightist,

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like anybody that would list that in their profile, I

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 2>was just yeah, yeah, I'm not interested. Like, if your

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 2>goal in life is to surround you by people that

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 2>only agree with everything you agree with, then as far

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 2>as I'm concerned, you don't have the mental capacity to

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>have an adult conversation and anything. And I don't want

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 2>to have anything to do.

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 4>With you, like yeah, yeah, one of the last process

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:00.080
<v Speaker 4>is like completely opposite of me on different on something

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 4>that she feels are die hard and important and we're

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 4>still best friends and we can still have those conversations

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 4>and still be like all right.

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Cool, like yeah, because I love you.

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I need to be able to have an adult conversation

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 2>with somebody if I'm going to be with them.

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because about who you are, not your opinions. It's like,

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 1>well make a.

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Care less if, like somebody was extreme right now, is

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 2>extreme less or vice versa, and like that that wouldn't

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 2>bother me at all.

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Now, what I found I knew because Tifford briefed me

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>on kind of your philosophy and ideas around kids transitioning.

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And I hate to be repetitive because you've probably spoken

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>about it a lot, but not to my audience. So

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 1>here we go. Tell us as extensively or not as

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you want about your thinking around you know, kids, kids

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.919
<v Speaker 1>who want to transition and the parents role or lack

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>of role or like yeah, just open that door for us.

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.879
<v Speaker 2>So with kids, I did a lot of research on

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>this because like my main thing about putting my journey

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>online for everybody to see is because I want to

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.879
<v Speaker 2>educate people on what can really happen to kids and

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 2>adults when they decided to start doing hormones and having

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 2>surgeries and stuff like that, and not only educate kids,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 2>but educate the parents because there's just so much of

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>it going on that it's just it's too much. It's

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.399
<v Speaker 2>it's there's no way it's possible. It's even when people

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>are like, oh, well, you got to let them transition,

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 2>because you know, youth trends, you know, self unliving is

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>like the largest thing ever, and it's like, Nope, it isn't.

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually the threat of it is, but the actual happening

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:54.479
<v Speaker 2>of it is just not there. So, like, the first

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.760
<v Speaker 2>thing I looked into was the brain. The prefrontal cortex

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 2>of the brain, which is responsible for decision, in making

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a hasty decisions, rational decision is not matured until for

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the most part, mid twenties. Okay, then you have the

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:13.359
<v Speaker 2>concept of what it means to actually either a take

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>a puberty blocker or b start giving kids hormones. A

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that can be reversed if it's done

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>short term, but if it's done for a couple of years,

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things won't be reversed. And now if

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 2>that kid decides to transition later in life like back,

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 2>then they're going to be stuck with things that just

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 2>don't work right. So my goal is to keep kids

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 2>away from transitioning as long as possible. If not, you know,

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 2>convince them that they don't need it. There's so many

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 2>The rate is to which I talk to parents that

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 2>have little girls that want to be boys is way

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 2>higher of a rate that I have parents that call

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 2>me that have girl boys that want to be girls.

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>And I think the biggest thing to do with that

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>is that nobody believes in tomboys anymore. You have so

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 2>many girls running around, like wanting to play with their brothers,

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>wanting to play football, wanting to get on a four

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 2>wheel or wanting to go hunting, wanting to build stuff,

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and wanting to have short hair and to just wear

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>like loose clothing and stuff like that. So they instantly

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 2>think that like, okay, I must be a boy. And

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the next thing you know, they're telling their mom or

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they're hanging out with their friends and their friends are

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 2>claiming that they're non binary or whatever. So like they

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.319
<v Speaker 2>just think it's like, Okay, this is the right path

0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.839
<v Speaker 2>for me. And then on top of that, you have

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 2>so many parents that are just so freaking soft it's ridiculous.

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Like I was pretty much raised with an iron fist,

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and then joining the Marine Corps when I was still

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 2>a kid just kind of reiterated that iron fist of

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 2>like this is the way shit is. End of story.

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.839
<v Speaker 2>And so many parents reach out to me and they're like, well,

0:46:57.840 --> 0:46:59.320
<v Speaker 2>you just you know, I love my kid and I

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>want to support them as much as possible, no matter what.

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, okay, great. So, like, if your kid

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>wants to jump off a bridge, are you going to

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>go down there and watch them do it? They're like like, okay,

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 2>if your kid wants to join the military at age twelve,

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 2>are you going to sign paperwork and let them do it?

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm like, you're gonna let them smoke weed at

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.919
<v Speaker 2>ten years old, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, drive a car,

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>get a tattoo. They're like, well, no, of course not.

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, so then why would you alter their hormones

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and their body?

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes.

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>So many of them like, well that's different. I'm like, no,

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.959
<v Speaker 2>it's not different. It's actually worse, like you permanently change

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 2>who they are as a human being.

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Speaking of that, that intervention of the at

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 1>estrogen or testosterinal I'm interested in because you've lived in

0:47:55.760 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 1>a buy well in a bloke's body taking those supplements

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 1>other than maybe testosterone when you were competing at a

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 1>very high level, and then now you're not doing tea

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and you're doing estrogen. And how do you feel? Like

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you can compare, but like energy,

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and like do you see the world differently? Like as

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>your emotional state changed, you're thinking change speaking of the

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>prefrontal corn cortex, do you is it? How is it

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>different for the person living in that new reality?

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I think for me the most part that it's changed.

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 2>And this has gone by like feedback from people that

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.439
<v Speaker 2>know me like well enough and they spend time around

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>me before and after they say that I'm an overall

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 2>calmer person and nicer and easier to get along with. Yeah, right,

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 2>so that makes sense to me and I feel like

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I am. I have Like I was always very patient person,

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>but now I'm way more patient. Like as a strength coach,

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I never gave compliments. I always identified the problem, not

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 2>what they did good at. And then I started to

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:14.279
<v Speaker 2>actually compliment people, and people like, holy shit, somebody get

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that on recording. Dave just complimented me. It's like, oh yeah,

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I love that. So I think I've become a nicer

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:26.439
<v Speaker 2>and a softer individual in that aspect mentally as far

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>as how I see the world, Like my dad was

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 2>a very very calm individual, like always just super calm

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 2>about any situation, very laid back, and like I feel

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 2>like I've always been the same way. There's always been

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 2>very few things that could really trigger me. Other than

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that I just be like, eh, whatever. And now it's

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>like even less like like like like I would say

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I probably was an a very aggressive driver. Now not

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>so much at all. You know. I have my moments

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 2>where I like to really beat on my truck because

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:03.399
<v Speaker 2>it's a nice truck and it sounds nice. But other

0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 2>than that, like I get in the middle lane and

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.839
<v Speaker 2>the highway and just kind of cruise slowly like I'm

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:12.640
<v Speaker 2>very comfortable, which is you know, a normal driver. I

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>don't rush around all day long with my you know,

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 2>feel like my I just feel like there's so much

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:20.319
<v Speaker 2>to do and so little time to do. It like

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 2>it's like tomorrow, It'll get done tomorrow. If it doesn't

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:24.319
<v Speaker 2>get done tomorrow, I get done the next day. You know,

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 2>there's priorities and stuff like that. But like, just as

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:33.560
<v Speaker 2>business wise, I'm very quick to like if I get

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 2>a client that I know is just going to cause

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 2>me stress, like I'm just like, no, not having you.

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm all set, don't need it. I'll make money other way.

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 2>If it's not enough money, I'll make it other ways,

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I think that would have something to

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:48.759
<v Speaker 2>do with the lack of testosterone on my body. Like

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and most people that transition from male to female have

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 2>to go on testosterone blockers. I didn't. My test cross

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>is actually averaging lower than most females testosterone on its own. Wow,

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 2>which is like it was like another thing to be like,

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, so maybe I was supposed to be a woman,

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Like as a little kid when I was so skinny,

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 2>like I had I had guyno when I was a kid,

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.399
<v Speaker 2>like I had puffy nipples and everything. And wow, never

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.880
<v Speaker 2>way until I started like really getting serious into getting strong.

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 2>So like it's like, okay, here's another thing that I

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 2>realized that, like, you know, maybe my body was supposed

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 2>to be female when I was a kid, but something

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.799
<v Speaker 2>just got crossed, you know, because I had all these

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 2>thoughts and I had obviously had hormone and balances that

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, weren't prepared for as a male, you know.

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 2>And when we finally when we went to get uh

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 2>checked by the doctors to start having a child, like,

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>so the first thing he said to me was like, oh,

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 2>you're testosterones all like too low for you to have

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 2>a baby. So they put me on HGG and that

0:51:56.239 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 2>way we got pregnant that way. But it's just like, yeah,

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of explains a lot, you know. That and the

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 2>fact that I was always in the shoes and girls clothing,

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, I never minded going shopping with women,

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I would be like, oh, yeah, we want to

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.359
<v Speaker 2>go shopping for a dress school, let's go, Like I'll

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 2>help you. Think I wasn't the I wasn't the husband

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 2>that would stay at home being like bye, see you later,

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:17.840
<v Speaker 2>go away.

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to watch I'm going to watch your game.

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.240
<v Speaker 1>For our listeners who are like, what's gone on? Ghana

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>is gonna camastia And it's where our body produces kind

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>of extra estrogen and for a young boy to be

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.399
<v Speaker 1>doing that, it's not it's not completely rare, but it's

0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 1>recently uncommon, so that that is an interesting anecdote. All right,

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I know we've got to wind up soon, but as

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 1>little or as much as you want. Once again, your family,

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:48.799
<v Speaker 1>how did your family respond to.

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>My brother? I have two older brothers, two older sisters.

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>My my brother that's older than me. The also the

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:02.360
<v Speaker 2>clothes to me, Me and him were very very close,

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and I would say he's the one that had the

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 2>most problem with it. Like we had a couple of

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 2>conversations about it, and you know, he was just really

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>distraught and like couldn't wrap his head around it and

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:15.959
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But like after a couple of conversations,

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 2>it was fine. My parents, my dad, like I said,

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 2>laid back, didn't even say I don't even think he

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>spoke when I when I told both him and my mom,

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and when I told my mom and I showed her

0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:32.720
<v Speaker 2>a picture of me dressed as a woman, her response

0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 2>was literally like yeah, not surprise.

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Really.

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like really, She's like, yeah, I'm not surprised, and

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:44.879
<v Speaker 2>that like not another word, not another word. That was it.

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Mums have got superpower dude. Their mums know shit like

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:56.359
<v Speaker 1>special fu. Yeah, yeah, like fucking yeah, weed clever, Yeah yeah.

0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like maybe when like I was

0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:59.439
<v Speaker 2>a kid and I was trying on her stuff, she'd

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>probably come home and like, you know, go through a

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 2>drus and be like, oh, David was in my draws again.

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Figures literally literally I never asked.

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 2>That question, but like now I kind of want to.

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 1>That is hilarious. So with do you have a that's

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:19.879
<v Speaker 1>probably the wrong term, but do you have a plan

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:26.520
<v Speaker 1>or a strategy around this? Because I feel like people,

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>not all people, but a lot of people will really

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 1>benefit from what you have to say and the wisdom

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and insight and experiential learning that you have. Do you

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>want to do workshops with this? Do you want to

0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.400
<v Speaker 1>write a book? Do you want to like, do you

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>have a plan to have a bigger audience than doing

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>the odd podcast here and there?

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.759
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I had a woman from England reach out

0:54:53.800 --> 0:55:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to me about possibly setting up a document series document

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:06.920
<v Speaker 2>So I'm in the process of getting all the entertainment

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:11.799
<v Speaker 2>lawyers and stuff like that as we speak, and going

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.840
<v Speaker 2>through that process and finding the right company to support

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 2>me and stuff like that. I would definitely love love

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.520
<v Speaker 2>for people to like so many people have asked me

0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>to come to their community, like the UK, Australia, England,

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Canada, I mean every just about every state

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:37.800
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. But like you know, I would

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 2>love to be able to do it. But like I

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.360
<v Speaker 2>can't just fly around everywhere for free. I need to

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.920
<v Speaker 2>get paid to do it. And if I could get enough,

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 2>just enough to like cover expenses in my cost of

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>living while I'm gone, like I would do it. I

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 2>got this is something as a coach, Like so I

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.440
<v Speaker 2>went and met with like so many of the best

0:55:56.480 --> 0:56:00.239
<v Speaker 2>coaches all across the world. When I was younger and

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 2>first became a coach, I spent eight years like researching

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the best power is the best strong man, the best

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.359
<v Speaker 2>agility coaches, the best speed and performance coaches, and sock

0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 2>them out to learn from them. It cost a fortune,

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 2>like so, like I would love to be able to

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:22.600
<v Speaker 2>continue to coach people. And one of the biggest things

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.400
<v Speaker 2>that like, I had a couple of millionaire mentors in

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the fitness industry that I've met with, and the first

0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 2>thing they said to me is, like, you care too

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 2>much about other people and not enough about your income.

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Like it's a great trait, but at the same time,

0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 2>it's not a great trait because like if someone came

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 2>to me and was like, hey, I need help with

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 2>this and help with that, and I'm like, all right, great,

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:46.520
<v Speaker 2>let's get started. And if they came to a point

0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:49.320
<v Speaker 2>where like I can't afford it, and I'd be like, Okay,

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 2>well I don't want to lose like stride here, so

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 2>let's just keep going. And when you could afford to

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:55.799
<v Speaker 2>pay me, you start paying me again, and eventually they

0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 2>would start paying me again. But sometimes I'd be training

0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.799
<v Speaker 2>people for free for like a year, Like I just

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm so passionate about making sure people are educated that

0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't look after myself.

0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I meant, you're a good human, like you're a good person.

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but at the same time, I still needs

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:12.359
<v Speaker 2>to be able to.

0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>You got to have a daughter and the kid, educate

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the kid, look after you.

0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>By the bill, we would love to speak to everybody

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 2>as long as, like, you know, speaking would be great,

0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:27.920
<v Speaker 2>But I would definitely love to, uh do a documentary

0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 2>document documentary. And I kind of feel like I hate

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to say this, but I kind of feel like if

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 2>I started going and doing public speaking. Like I hate

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:41.720
<v Speaker 2>to say this, but this is really how I feel

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:46.400
<v Speaker 2>like Charlie Kirk did, and just start speaking publicly all

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>over the place that eventually somebody's come out and probably

0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 2>put a bullet in me. They're just gonna be like, yeah,

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 2>we don't like you.

0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Really, Oh yeah, I really feel that.

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I do. I feel like this is like there's

0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>so much hate in the world. I mean, I've gotten

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.560
<v Speaker 2>threats like that through Instagram and TikTok, like where people

0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are just like, you know, it's not too hard to

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 2>find out where you live, Like I can do this,

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.919
<v Speaker 2>and I can do that, and like, you know, some

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 2>other people are like you're a po and you need

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to go and hang yourself and like just spend some

0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy death threats on a regular basis, you know.

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:24.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's like and all this because I just want

0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 2>to talk common sense and it's it's it's a sad

0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:28.680
<v Speaker 2>world we live in today. So it's like, you know,

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I told my friend I was, like, the one thing

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 2>I would do if I would do it is a

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 2>common sense approach. I would do it from behind bulletproof class.

0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:42.360
<v Speaker 1>You and the Pope and the President. Yeah, da Dabiana

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Pope President be Hand Bulletproof Class. I love talking to you.

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I love meeting you. I love your authenticity and your

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>willingness to be super brave and super vulnerable. So I'd

0:58:57.920 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>like to talk more. Maybe we'll get you back in

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the day if that's possible, possible, But thank you. Tell

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:08.680
<v Speaker 1>people where they can connect with you, find you, follow you,

0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>or come and train with you for one thousand dollars

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:12.280
<v Speaker 1>an hour.

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:14.960
<v Speaker 2>One thousand dollars an hour. Wow, that's a hell of

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 2>a price. So you can find me on TikTok as

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the common Sense Life Coach our coach Daviana. You can

0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>find me on Instagram as Daviana Underscore one, Underscore and

0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Underscore Only, and Facebook as Strength Discovery or David Newmont.

0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So nice to meet you and learn about you.

0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Hay Tiff, good good get by you.

0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thanks again, Daviana, Thank you good job sitting there

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>being silent.

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I know that. Do you know how hard that is

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>for her. It's like putting her, putting her in front

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of the fridge and saying donat for an hour. Mate.

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.280
<v Speaker 1>We'll say goodbye off air. But appreciate you so much.

0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I appreciate it,