WEBVTT - #1907 The Impossibility of Objectivity - Harps 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:05.080 Good, our gang. I hope you're bloody terrific. So this 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.720 is this is something that I talk about a lot, 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.800 and I've spoken about a lot over the years, is 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.080 the fact that you and I can be in the 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.840 same conversation but not having the same experience. We can 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.319 be looking at exactly the same thing and we both 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.639 see something different. We hear a word, it means something 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.240 to me, it means something different to you. And that's 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.920 because there are things that happened to us around us, 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:36.040 because of us, in spite of us, events, situation, circumstances 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.280 that happen in our external, physical, three dimensional world. And 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:46.199 then you and me we see that, we experience that, 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.960 we hear it, we feel it, we touch it, we whatever, 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.479 and then we give it meaning. And we give it 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:57.000 meaning based on what we think or what we believe, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.720 or what we know or more accurately, what we think 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:06.760 we know, our feelings, our opinions, our biases, our previous experiences, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:13.400 our history, our education, our inclination, the stuff that we're 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.440 scared of, the stuff we're inspired by. All of these 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:21.760 things are variables, cognitive and emotional and experiential variables which 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.840 influence the way that you and I see stuff, and 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.440 the way that you and I see stuff or interpret 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:37.120 stuff is a subjective thing, which is why something happens 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.280 in front of you and me and you have a 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.080 different story about the thing because you're not me. Your 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.880 mind is not my mind. Your brain works differently to mine. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.040 You've been programmed and educated and influenced and poked and 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.400 products cognitively and emotionally and sociologically over the course of 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.320 your life in one way. I've been influenced in another way, 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.280 And so we're looking at the same thing, but we're 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:06.360 not seeing the same thing because Craig's version of the 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:12.720 world is subjective. So in a way, I coexist in 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.840 the world and Craig's world my version of the world, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:26.200 and I think problems happen when we mistake our version 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:32.040 of the world for the world. We mistake our subjective 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:39.040 interpretation for a global, objective truth, and then we get 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:46.360 very defiant about that. So what I'm talking about today is, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.680 you know, I'm not an expert in this, but I 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.160 think I have a pretty good grasp of it. So 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.800 if you can bear with me, this is not scripted clearly, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.360 and there's only me and I'm sitting by myself thinking 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:05.760 out loud, and so trying to explore this idea of 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:11.799 the impossibility of objectivity, or that our capacity we have 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:17.280 to be somewhere in the ballpark of objective. I'm kind 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.320 of thinking out loud as I go, so in advance. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.200 I apologize for my clumsiness and perhaps for the lack 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.920 of inspiration or flow, but I just think this is 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.520 a I genuinely think this is a really fucking important 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.040 concept for people to grasp because I think so many 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:41.160 people spend their life looking at things through a certain 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:46.160 lens without realizing they even have a fucking lens. They 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.000 just think that what they think is what is You know, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.120 so that ain't true. That ain't true, And sometimes your 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.000 version of events will align with actual events, or sometimes 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.680 the way that you see something is consensual amongst among 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.080 a group, right, so you might be somewhere close to 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.400 being accurate in the way that it's seen more globally. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:19.159 And there'll be times where you're completely inaccurate, wildly off track, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.880 as am I. We all will be. But so let's 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:29.120 start with identifying or explaining what objectivity is. So objectivity 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.000 is it is the ability to observe, assess, or respond 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:41.520 to something without being influenced by your personal feelings, your opinions, 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.960 your background, your bias is, your wants, likes, needs, experiences, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.599 and even your genetics. It's about seeing things as they 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.479 are versus how you want them to be or fear 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:01.400 them to be, or how you have can conditioned being 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.320 conditioned to believe they are. And this is the same 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.520 for me. This is you, this is me, this is everyone. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.159 And so in Layman's terms, we might say that objectivity 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.200 is that mythical unicorn where you kind of magically separate 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.640 yourself from your ego, your beliefs, your baggage, culture, hormones, genetics, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:27.480 your morning mood and just see something as it is. Well, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.960 good luck with that. Because I don't know that any 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:35.120 of us do that. I will say I think there 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.840 are things that, of course, we can be more objective 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:44.080 about than others because we perhaps don't have any pre 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:50.120 existing thoughts, ideas, beliefs, or understanding of a certain thing. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.760 So when someone says to me, for example, hey Craig, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.920 I want to teach you the best way to build 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.279 a tree house for your nephew that I don't have, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.719 I want to teach you. I want to so I 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.600 don't have any I don't have an idea of how 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.320 to do that, Like I don't have a pre existing concept. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.280 I have no fucking idea, no theories, I have no understanding. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.239 That's never been of interest to me. So when old 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.760 mate says to me, let me tell you how to 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.760 build a tree house, this is the best way to 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.720 do it, I'm probably going to be way more open minded, neutral, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.400 objective than if they say to me, Hey, Craig, I 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.000 want to talk to you about how to get in shape. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.400 I want to tell you about the best way to train, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.599 the best way to work out, the best things to 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.960 do in a gym. Well, good luck with that, because 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.560 I got all my own fucking thoughts, I got all 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.240 my own baggage, I've got all my own experiences, I've 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.039 got all my pre existing stuff, And good luck trying 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.799 to teach me, because I fucking know everything. Wink wink 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.839 with me. So I think that depending on the conversation, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.040 depending on the topic or the issue, I think we 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:09.159 can be more or less objective. But also keeping in 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.120 mind that even when old mate is teaching me about 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:16.520 how to build a tree house, it's still me. It's 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:21.440 still it's still me looking through the Craig lens. The 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.320 fact that I've never thought about building a treehouse, or 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:29.800 I've never built one, doesn't mean that my emotional stuff 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:34.840 or psychological stuff, or my hesitation to do anything that 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:40.320 resembles handyman work, or my underlying belief that I'm fucking 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.440 useless with tools, or all of those things, they're going 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 to influence that. Even though I've never thought about building 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.200 a treehouse, there's going to be stuff there which will 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.320 make me more or less objective and open minded. Right, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:58.400 And we love to see ourselves as being open minded. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:04.320 We like it because it's like it's culturally and socially 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.320 seen as a noble trait or characteristic. It's like it's 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:14.760 a desirable thing. He's so she's so open minded, so objective, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.920 so easy going, you know, like not prejudiced, not biased, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.920 blah blah blah blah blah. And it's it's a good feeling, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.320 because who the fuck wants to be seen as being 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:32.439 closed minded? Who doesn't want to be objective? Who wants 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.000 to be shut down emotionally and mentally, and who wants 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.319 to be locked into a certain way of thinking and being? Well, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:46.680 we say we don't. We say we don't want that, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.959 but fucking he fuck Batman. Have a look around how 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:54.200 many people, including me and you. At times, I'm sure 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:59.880 that's what we are. I think we're way more closed 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.840 minded about many things than we are open minded or objective. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:09.440 We are very very very much intertwined, intertwined with our 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:18.360 subjective story that we created because we are identified with 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.720 that story. That story makes me feel like I know, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.120 and I like knowing. I don't like not knowing. Also 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.520 that subjective story that I have about that objective thing 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.840 that gives me a level of comfort and familiarity and certainty. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.440 And I like all of those things. And what I 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.440 don't like is one I don't like someone knowing when 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.480 I don't know, and then they challenge my thoughts. Right, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.360 So I'm not going to fuck and listen to them. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.320 I'm going to stay in the echo chamber. I'm gonna 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.800 I'm going to get trapped in this thing called confirmation bias, 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.360 where I only listen to people who agree with me, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.120 or think like me, or are in my thought cult 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.199 because that's where I feel safe. That's where I'm around 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:10.400 people and ideas that are familiar to me, and I love, familiarity, right, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.280 and this is this is a very very very common thing. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:21.360 Like we we tend not to realize in the moment 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.080 that we what we call our truth our knowledge is 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.360 really just or what we call I should say truth 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.040 or knowledge is really just our our truth and knowledge. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.000 And sometimes you know, maybe we're right, maybe we're right 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.440 a lot, maybe you're right a lot. I don't know. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.360 But also, guess what you're not right? Sometimes guess what 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.520 you're wrong. Guess what not because you're bad or weird 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.640 or flawed or evil. But you've been wrong about a 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.840 lot of things. And the reason I know this is 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:58.000 because you're a human. I've been wrong about probably as 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.480 many things as I've been right. And the older that 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:05.080 I get, the less certain I get, and the more 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.800 open I am to acknowledging that I'm getting things wrong. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.319 Every day, I'm trying, I'm learning, I'm doing what I can, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.479 but I have to acknowledge my flaws and my humanity, 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.080 and I have to realize that no, this is not 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.800 this is not a universal truth. This is my version, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.440 This is my understanding, This is my story, This is 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:35.839 my interpretation of something that is much bigger than me, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:43.360 and even when we even when we try to be neutral, Like, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.400 the thing is that you wherever you are, there are 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.040 your beliefs. Wherever you are, there are your biases. That's 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.280 wherever you are, there's your upbringing, your family, the echoes 0:11:55.440 --> 0:12:04.000 of decades of conversations, the imprint, the psychological, emotional, sociological 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.680 imprint of your dad's thinking and your mum's thinking, and 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.600 the trauma and the joy and the hopes and the 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.240 culture and the education and the religion, all of that 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.920 shit that's just been programmed into you. You can't leave 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.840 that behind like you take it everywhere with you. And again, 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.720 this is not good or bad. This is something to 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.160 be aware of. This is something to be cognizant of, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.720 which is why I'm really comfortable to say to people, Look, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.920 this is what I think about. You know. In fact, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.400 I had a meeting. This not a meeting. I had 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.680 a coffee this morning. I'm recording this on a Saturday 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.920 with Tommy, and Tommy and I were talking about God, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.640 as we did briefly the other day Tommy Jacket, and 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.240 not for a long time, but just for a moment, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.160 and I said, you know, basically, we got to the 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.720 point where we're talking about what we believe. And I said, well, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.720 this is what I believe. But also I believe that 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.320 because in part that's familiar to me, in part I'm 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.720 comfortable with that, in part I was programmed this way. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.839 There are some things that I don't align with or 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.840 don't think anymore, but there's a lot that I do. Now. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.960 If I am being somewhere in the ballpark of objective, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.800 I need to say, this is just Craig's version, This 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.000 is my story, this is my understanding. This is my 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:32.280 subjective interpretation of something way fucking bigger than me that 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:37.160 I'll probably never understand. And if I'm being a little 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.360 bit humble and aware and real and raw, I have 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.520 to say I could be wrong. I could be wrong 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.679 about some of it, a bit of it, a lot 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.360 of it, or none of it. But I'm definitely not 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.000 wrong about none of it. There's definitely a shit that 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.480 I'm getting wrong on a daily basis, and that's okay. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:01.560 And I think the moment that we recognize that we 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.439 don't see things as they are, see things as we are, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.080 Thanks and as Nint who said, we don't see things 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.600 as they are, we see things as we are, the 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.120 moment that we realize that the moment that we go ah, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.079 this is just me looking at the world through the 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.440 Craig window. This is me looking through this lens. This 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.920 is me looking at this through my understanding on my vocabulary, 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.680 or the lens of my education, or the lens of 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.840 my self limiting beliefs, or whatever the fucking lens is. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:37.520 This is just me seeing that thing. Whatever, that stimulus 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.920 over there, that event, that circumstance, that's human, those words, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.520 whatever it is. That's just my interpretation of a thing. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.520 And the moment that we realize this is not the thing, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.240 this is my version of the thing, then I believe 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.520 we actually move closer towards a level of or a 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:06.080 greater degree perhaps of openness, objectivity, and perhaps neutrality where 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.520 we're not pulled one way or the other so much 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:15.440 by our bias, you know, like confirmation bias is our 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:21.160 brain's favorite shortcut. Like we unconsciously and all humans do this. 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:29.560 We unconsciously seek out the stuff that confirms what we believe, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:35.160 what we think, our values, our ideas, and without really 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:40.560 thinking about it, we discard or discredit anything that contradicts 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:49.360 us or what we believe because that other opinion or 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.120 that other version of truth or that other version of 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:59.920 what is feels threatening when it challenges our self story 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.280 or our worldview, and we don't like being threatened. In fact, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.560 our brain one of the things that our brain is 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:11.920 really hardwired for is confirmation and familiarity and comfort. So 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.400 it's not really we're not really looking for objectivity. We 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.760 like the idea of it, but when the boots are 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.720 on the ground in the middle of it, it's really 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:28.440 just mental self soothing, where where we're finding something that's comfortable. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.520 And you know this is I mean, let me zoom 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:39.280 back a little bit. You know, we think about like 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:46.760 in personal development and self help and you know, human behavior, whatever, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.480 whatever big banner we want to put over the top 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.920 of all of the stuff that I do with you 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.840 and share with you. Like we you know, we love 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.640 the idea of being a better person. We love that. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.680 We love the idea of eating a great diet. We 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.520 love the idea of living our life which is aligned 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.959 with our values. We love the idea of being a 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.359 better communicator and a better parent. We love the idea 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.240 of knowing more and doing better. We love the idea 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.560 of improving performance and outcomes and having a spiritual life 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.440 and being having greater connection with others. And we love 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:24.439 all of these things that are constant conversations on this show. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.119 But as I've said many times, away from the idea, 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.679 away from the thing that we like, away from the 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:40.600 intention or the desire, it ain't fucking easy. Like the 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.639 idea of open mindedness or objectivity, let's call it that. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.439 That's the title, the idea of objectivity. It's really nice. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.480 I want to be. Yeah, Craig, Craig's really objective, like 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:58.000 he really you know, minimum bias, really open minded, really neutral, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.040 talk to him about anything. Yeah, no, that's not you can. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.080 And I'm definitely better than some, but not all. And 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.960 some days you'll find me depending on where where I 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.440 am at, because I'm a human, i might be having 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.760 a shit day. I'm going to be absolute crap. I'm 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.400 going to be defensive. I'm going to find the story 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:27.560 that suits me. I'm going to be completely subjectively wrapped 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.639 in my own idea because in that moment, it fucking 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.640 suits me. And this is the disparity, This is the space, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:43.520 This is the divergence between self help theory and life. Life. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.399 Life is where we change. Life is where in the 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.160 middle of the shit and in the middle of the discomfort, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.600 in the middle of the unfamiliarity, in the middle of 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.359 that interaction with that person where you want to be 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.920 defensive because they might be telling you something that does 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.320 an align with your something, and you fucking love your something. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.640 You want to defend your something. Your something's the right something. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:13.320 Fuck they're something right. Well, this moment that I'm describing 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.879 that is the moment where you and me need to 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:23.679 go hang on, is there something in there? Something? Is 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.280 there something in there something? Is there any chance that 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.600 my thought, idea, in my something, my belief, my standard, 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:36.119 my story, Is there any chance that it's a bit wrong, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.120 quite a bit wrong, or completely fucking wrong. And it's 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:46.080 not so much about truth or facts or information as 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.320 it is about me protecting something that I want to protect. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.639 And fuck you because I've thought this for a long time. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.960 See here's the thing, right, Being really open minded an 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.679 objective requires great strength, great strength, great humility, great awareness, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.639 great resilience. Like this is really fucking hard. The idea 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.959 of it requires no effort me talking about it, just 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.879 talking doing it. And this is true for all things 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.959 in the human experience. When we're trying to grow, learn, evolve, adapt, 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:20.920 become better. Like you and I are all programmed, even 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.960 if we don't realize it. An objectivity or a level 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.840 of objectivity requires us to step outside of our or 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:35.840 at the very least be aware of our programming and 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.440 aware of the things that perhaps stand between us and 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:46.520 the what is, the what isness of reality beyond our reality, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.960 the what isness that lives beyond our window or our 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:58.680 curtain or our bias. Most of us live in echo chambers, 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.880 you know, pay attention to the same things, the same 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.000 news sources, the same people, the same algorithms, the same shows, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:14.320 the same the same everything. And it's not objectivity. That 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.639 ain't objectivity, it's just groupthink. This is me just living 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.280 in a cult of thought. This is me, This is 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:27.840 me finding something that makes me feel better about what 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:33.640 I already believe. You know so much of my journey, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:35.880 you know, with my PhD and with all the other 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:37.880 things that I'm sorry to bore you with all my shit. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.679 By the way, it must be fucking mindlessly boring to 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.119 keep hearing me bang on about stuff. But my life 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:49.080 is my life, isn't it. Uh? But you know, there 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.919 are so many things I've had to unlearn. There are 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.840 so many things that I've needed to admit that I 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:02.600 didn't know, or I needed to admit that something that 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:09.680 I thought was wrong. And we don't want to I'm 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.560 globalizing here. You might not be like this, and if 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.840 you're not fucking gou but we don't like to be 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:20.119 wrong publicly. We don't even want to be wrong in 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:25.320 front of one person, let alone fucking publicly. Like I 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.560 look back at the stuff that I've done on this show, 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.399 and some of it's really good. I think some of 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.040 it's in the ballpark of good to great maybe, and 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.840 then some of its shits, and some of it's in 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:38.080 the middle. Some conversations I did pretty well, some I 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.040 did pretty bad. Some were are a bit of a 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.560 train wreck, you know. But the truth is just the truth. 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.280 Like me telling myself that all of the work that 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.280 I do is somewhere between good and amazing is me 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:56.440 being deluded because it's just not true. It's just not true. 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:01.360 I am not the best, I am not incredible. I 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:04.000 am not And people go, oh, stop talking yourself down. No, 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.480 this is not talking yourself down. This has been practical 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.880 and real. This is like, you know, there are days 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.640 where I do really good work. There are days where 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.040 I'm a fucking catastrophe and I don't even want to 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.600 be around me, and I am me. But I think 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:24.560 I think part of the secret is is just doing 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.919 what I'm doing now, which is saying, hey, you know what, 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.760 I don't know of all the stuff there is to know, 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.960 Like I feel like this. I feel like mankind humanity. 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.960 We think of all the things there is to know, 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:43.000 we know ninety nine percent. You know, let's say of 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.160 everything there is to know, that equals one hundred percent. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.639 I feel like mankind we currently think that we know 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:51.760 about now. You know, there's still some stuff to learn, 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:57.199 but maybe ninety percent, I think, And this is just 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.240 a thought. I can't I can't quote you anything on this. 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.159 I can't even give you a I probably could, but 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.720 I'm not going to. But I don't think we really 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:11.800 understand or know or comprehend one percent of all there 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.480 is to know for humans. Let's call that one hundred percent. 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.560 I don't think we know one. That's not to say 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.480 I think we're globally ignorant and stupid. I don't think 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.480 that either, But I just think we can't even begin 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:30.960 to understand what there is beyond the tininess of the 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:36.040 human mind and the tininess of the human brain. We 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:42.080 think brains are fucking brilliant. Well they are, but they're limited. 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.800 You know that my thinking is limited, my understanding is limited, 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:53.639 My cognitive horsepower is limited. And so being able to 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.080 recognize that you know most of what there is to know, 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.960 I don't know and probably never will know. And also 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:09.720 that's fine, that's fine. Being able to learn things that 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:13.720 quiet knowledge expose ourselves to new ideas and thoughts and 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:18.600 information and research is great. But also to be able 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:23.440 to when the time is right, when the situation calls 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.920 for it, to be able to unlearn things. Because when 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:33.480 we've learned things that we have intertwined with the way 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.880 that we live and our identity and our sense of 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:44.159 who we are the self, and those flaw those ideas 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.280 are in some way flawed. Well, that sets us lf 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.800 up for problems. And one of the problems being that 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:57.720 you know, I've built a way of living and being 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:02.240 and doing on perhaps an ideology that is that that 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.399 could be I'm not talking about anything in particular, but 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.960 it could be flawed. It could be flawed. Think about this, 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.960 what if you eat a certain mind. I'm not talking 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.280 about any particular model of eating, so don't try and 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:17.040 assume I'm just talking globally. Let's say, let's say, you know, 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.520 five years ago, you met someone and they said to you, 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.919 they showed you research, they did all this stuff, and 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:23.960 they went, you know, this is the best way. People 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.280 haven't caught on yet, but this is the single best 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:31.960 way to human for human beings to eat. And you 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.879 you brought in, You brought in mentally, you brought in emotionally, 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.959 you brought in socially and behaviorally, and this person just 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.280 they convinced the shit out of you, and you went, fuck, 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.760 I'm on board. Now you're five years down the track, 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:49.560 and this way of eating is unequivocally intertwined with who 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.399 you are, how you live, and people who don't eat 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:57.040 like you are dumb and uninformed and they're gonna die 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.119 earlier than you, and blah blah blah blah. Now, thing 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:04.479 like this, this theoretical example I'm giving, Things like this 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.760 exist all the time, with a myriad of different subjects, right, 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:12.080 and a myriad of different kind of focuses. Only to 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.560 find out after the five years that, oh my god, 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.080 all of this or some of this was based on 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.600 a flawed idea, only to find out that now I'm 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:25.320 actually sicker than I would have been if I hadn't 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.399 eaten how I was previously eating, or I've now predisposed 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.639 myself to this condition or that condition because I was 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.239 following flawed science or a flawed idea or whatever it was. 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.120 And this is the challenge. Is when we are when 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:46.560 we believe a thing will, we're emotional, We're emotional about it. 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:50.119