1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoday production. 2 00:00:10,121 --> 00:00:13,521 Speaker 2: We begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the 3 00:00:13,601 --> 00:00:16,441 Speaker 2: land on which we gather today and pay our respects 4 00:00:16,481 --> 00:00:19,641 Speaker 2: to their elders past and present. We extend that respect 5 00:00:19,721 --> 00:00:25,441 Speaker 2: to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people's here today. Welcome 6 00:00:25,481 --> 00:00:28,801 Speaker 2: to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm Kiara. 7 00:00:28,961 --> 00:00:30,561 Speaker 2: This is a podcast where we learn. 8 00:00:30,561 --> 00:00:31,841 Speaker 3: Laugh, and level up together. 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,601 Speaker 2: Let's go deep, let the emotions flow, and find the 10 00:00:34,681 --> 00:00:36,161 Speaker 2: lessons to grow and Glow. 11 00:00:36,521 --> 00:00:38,321 Speaker 1: Nothing is off the table with Grow and Glow and 12 00:00:38,361 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: we're here to be your expander. Hello, guy, welcome back 13 00:00:44,961 --> 00:00:48,481 Speaker 1: to the show. Thanks for joining us. Today's episode it's big. 14 00:00:48,601 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: It's a big one. 15 00:00:49,321 --> 00:00:50,561 Speaker 3: It's a really really good one. 16 00:00:50,361 --> 00:00:52,521 Speaker 1: And it's something I think most of you will relate 17 00:00:52,561 --> 00:00:56,041 Speaker 1: to because it's all about addictions. We're talking sugar, we're 18 00:00:56,081 --> 00:00:59,761 Speaker 1: talking alcohol, we're talking coffee. So if you are addicted 19 00:00:59,801 --> 00:01:02,001 Speaker 1: to any of those, even if you're not fully addicted, 20 00:01:02,001 --> 00:01:03,881 Speaker 1: but you feel like you maybe lean on it too 21 00:01:03,961 --> 00:01:07,041 Speaker 1: much in different seasons of your life, this episode you 22 00:01:07,081 --> 00:01:13,321 Speaker 1: will get so much out of. But first, my share 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: of the. 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,401 Speaker 2: Week is a book called Dopamine Nation, and for me, personally. 25 00:01:17,721 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: This is what really opened my eyes to how many 26 00:01:20,961 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: of us have day to day addictions and just how 27 00:01:24,441 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: easily we can access dopamine and was really the start 28 00:01:28,241 --> 00:01:31,041 Speaker 2: of this journey for me. So domination. An incredible book 29 00:01:31,241 --> 00:01:34,161 Speaker 2: is doctor Anna. I don't want to butcher her last 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,161 Speaker 2: name Leurs. 31 00:01:35,041 --> 00:01:38,761 Speaker 3: Something Skia, something skey like. 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,921 Speaker 2: She is just incredible. The way she explains everything too 33 00:01:42,161 --> 00:01:45,481 Speaker 2: is really easy to digest that. She's also got videos 34 00:01:45,481 --> 00:01:47,961 Speaker 2: on YouTube and stuff, and there's like condensed down versions 35 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:50,001 Speaker 2: of the book online that I've found well on YouTube. 36 00:01:50,121 --> 00:01:52,001 Speaker 2: So if you're wanting to like hear the main takeaways, 37 00:01:52,281 --> 00:01:54,961 Speaker 2: go have a little YouTube around this book dopamin Nation. 38 00:01:55,121 --> 00:01:56,841 Speaker 2: But also like if you want to dive in and 39 00:01:56,881 --> 00:01:59,281 Speaker 2: really understand it, I recommend to get the book. 40 00:01:59,361 --> 00:02:01,841 Speaker 1: Oh so good. I just love hearing your passion behind 41 00:02:01,841 --> 00:02:03,481 Speaker 1: when you read books. It makes me really want to 42 00:02:03,801 --> 00:02:06,641 Speaker 1: read it so much. I feel like this book really 43 00:02:06,721 --> 00:02:09,241 Speaker 1: has been the change for you. 44 00:02:09,401 --> 00:02:10,441 Speaker 3: I've changing because. 45 00:02:10,201 --> 00:02:12,321 Speaker 1: I feel like you've heard bits and pieces along the way, 46 00:02:12,361 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: Like I remember, even before you gave up caffeine when 47 00:02:14,841 --> 00:02:16,881 Speaker 1: you were going through a really really hard time, I 48 00:02:17,001 --> 00:02:19,881 Speaker 1: told you the caffeine's not great for anxiety. But I 49 00:02:19,921 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: just don't think you were ready to like hear or 50 00:02:21,601 --> 00:02:23,521 Speaker 1: give up on That's something. With anything, it's like you 51 00:02:23,641 --> 00:02:25,241 Speaker 1: have to be ready to hear it and ready to 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,961 Speaker 1: want to change. But this book, I feel like, was 53 00:02:27,001 --> 00:02:29,321 Speaker 1: like exactly what you need to hear at the exact 54 00:02:29,361 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: right moment, and it's really shifted everything for you. 55 00:02:31,761 --> 00:02:33,321 Speaker 3: And I'm such a fact person. 56 00:02:33,721 --> 00:02:36,161 Speaker 2: If there's scientific evidence to back things up, and I 57 00:02:36,201 --> 00:02:38,921 Speaker 2: can understand it and go, oh, this is what it's doing. 58 00:02:38,721 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: To my body. 59 00:02:39,561 --> 00:02:41,881 Speaker 2: If somebody says to me like it will help with anxiety, 60 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,441 Speaker 2: I think for me, I'm like, okay, okay, cool, Like 61 00:02:44,561 --> 00:02:46,881 Speaker 2: how much I don't really know? But then when you 62 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: actually understand the depths of it, it's like, oh, okay, 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,561 Speaker 2: do I really want to feel like that anything? 64 00:02:52,641 --> 00:02:55,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's it actually doing to my body? I'm excited. 65 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,281 Speaker 1: My Share of the Week is something random, but it's 66 00:02:59,281 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: a tongue scraper or you ever heard of it? No, 67 00:03:02,081 --> 00:03:03,881 Speaker 1: So a lot of people can brush their tongues, but 68 00:03:04,001 --> 00:03:07,481 Speaker 1: this tongue scrapar It's meant to help with your digestive 69 00:03:07,481 --> 00:03:10,681 Speaker 1: system and clean out and scrape away any toxins that 70 00:03:10,721 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: we build up in our sleep. So if you don't 71 00:03:13,001 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: do it, then when you have your first sip of 72 00:03:14,441 --> 00:03:17,161 Speaker 1: water whatever, you kind of just wash the toxins back down. Okay, 73 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,881 Speaker 1: I haven't looked up the scientific facts and studies on it. 74 00:03:19,921 --> 00:03:21,921 Speaker 1: I've been recommended it, and I've seen it on socials 75 00:03:21,921 --> 00:03:23,361 Speaker 1: here and there, and I've been using it for about 76 00:03:23,361 --> 00:03:25,441 Speaker 1: a year now. I don't know why I haven't recommended 77 00:03:25,481 --> 00:03:28,161 Speaker 1: it sooner, But I feel gross if I don't scrape 78 00:03:28,161 --> 00:03:30,281 Speaker 1: my tongue in the morning. It's the first thing that 79 00:03:30,321 --> 00:03:32,201 Speaker 1: I do when I get up is scrape my tongue 80 00:03:32,281 --> 00:03:34,081 Speaker 1: before I have my water, and I just think about 81 00:03:34,121 --> 00:03:37,481 Speaker 1: how much toxins I'm like scraping off. It sounds gross, 82 00:03:37,481 --> 00:03:39,561 Speaker 1: but it's like there's gunky white stuff that comes off 83 00:03:39,561 --> 00:03:42,201 Speaker 1: your tongue. It just makes me feel so clean and 84 00:03:42,281 --> 00:03:44,761 Speaker 1: clear and anything that I think is going to help 85 00:03:44,761 --> 00:03:47,921 Speaker 1: my immunity, my digestice system, my skin, my health overall. 86 00:03:48,241 --> 00:03:50,081 Speaker 1: Such a little habit that you can implement and it's 87 00:03:50,121 --> 00:03:52,081 Speaker 1: like second h to me. Now good. So you just 88 00:03:52,081 --> 00:03:54,441 Speaker 1: get them from health food stores online. Just a couple 89 00:03:54,441 --> 00:03:56,561 Speaker 1: of scrapes. You'll see it come off and I go 90 00:03:56,601 --> 00:03:58,641 Speaker 1: back in for a second one. There's hardly anything. I'm like, 91 00:03:59,001 --> 00:04:00,921 Speaker 1: what does it look like? It's like an arch like 92 00:04:00,961 --> 00:04:03,841 Speaker 1: a horse's hoof, Like it's just like a U shape. 93 00:04:04,081 --> 00:04:06,681 Speaker 1: It just hold your handles, spaces down. I've got a 94 00:04:06,721 --> 00:04:07,321 Speaker 1: metal one. 95 00:04:07,201 --> 00:04:10,881 Speaker 2: Then what Okay, Yeah, so I recommit that grandom. 96 00:04:11,041 --> 00:04:13,641 Speaker 1: But if you're interested, go and look into it more. 97 00:04:13,641 --> 00:04:18,001 Speaker 1: But I highly recommend it. Awesome, Okay, so let's get 98 00:04:18,041 --> 00:04:20,961 Speaker 1: straight into this episode. So I'm so excited. The timing 99 00:04:21,001 --> 00:04:23,481 Speaker 1: of this was so good. It was before we went 100 00:04:23,561 --> 00:04:26,241 Speaker 1: into the Eden Health Retreat, which if you haven't listened 101 00:04:26,241 --> 00:04:29,161 Speaker 1: to the episode, it was just our experience, this beautiful 102 00:04:29,161 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: retreat that we went to. I would go back tomorrow 103 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,481 Speaker 1: if I could. You started reading this book beforehand, so 104 00:04:35,481 --> 00:04:37,561 Speaker 1: I feel like you were kind of like learning about 105 00:04:37,601 --> 00:04:40,721 Speaker 1: it and dabbling and like wanting to maybe slow down 106 00:04:40,721 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: on your coffee and alcohol. I was a full blown 107 00:04:43,201 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: sugar addict. I feel like the last couple of months 108 00:04:47,041 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: I just leant on sugar. I was so exhausted all 109 00:04:50,561 --> 00:04:53,161 Speaker 1: the time from I think just the news of my 110 00:04:53,201 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: surgery and then processing what I wanted to do with baseline, 111 00:04:56,921 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: coming to that decision, still being a mom stialking up 112 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,681 Speaker 1: my responsibilities I'm so burnt out, so I just needed 113 00:05:02,721 --> 00:05:04,121 Speaker 1: a pick me up, and I turned to sugar. And 114 00:05:04,161 --> 00:05:06,361 Speaker 1: I love Lolly's and I love chocolate. I'll always have 115 00:05:06,801 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: but it became a daily habit to the point like 116 00:05:08,921 --> 00:05:10,841 Speaker 1: one of the girls at Higherway brought me this massive 117 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,281 Speaker 1: lolly jar and like filled it up, and I was 118 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,841 Speaker 1: just snacking on them all the time, like it was normal. 119 00:05:16,041 --> 00:05:19,841 Speaker 1: And I literally started to normalize it. And then I realized, 120 00:05:20,041 --> 00:05:22,121 Speaker 1: holy shit, this is definitely something I'm leaning on it. 121 00:05:22,201 --> 00:05:24,681 Speaker 1: My skin started to break out, I started to feel bloated. 122 00:05:24,721 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I looked more inflamed, like I could tell it was 123 00:05:26,921 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: just more puffy. I definitely gained a little bit of weight. 124 00:05:29,481 --> 00:05:31,721 Speaker 1: I just was not feeling good. I wasn't sleeping good. 125 00:05:31,801 --> 00:05:34,201 Speaker 1: Of course, it's going to affect your moods, everything that 126 00:05:34,241 --> 00:05:36,201 Speaker 1: I value. I'm like, what the hell am I doing? 127 00:05:37,041 --> 00:05:39,281 Speaker 1: And then eating health treat came along, and that's when 128 00:05:39,281 --> 00:05:40,921 Speaker 1: I was like, no, this is my break. And there 129 00:05:41,001 --> 00:05:42,521 Speaker 1: was nothing out there that I could have that was 130 00:05:42,601 --> 00:05:45,321 Speaker 1: like bad for me, your sugary and I haven't touched 131 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: any lollies or anything since, and I felt so much better. 132 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,081 Speaker 1: I've limited my gluten and dairy or whatever. But you 133 00:05:51,121 --> 00:05:54,481 Speaker 1: do get in these little habits in a slippery slope 134 00:05:54,481 --> 00:05:57,161 Speaker 1: and you start to normalize it, and then when you 135 00:05:57,201 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: start to feel the effects, it's just like, oh, but 136 00:05:59,721 --> 00:06:03,921 Speaker 1: it's such a hard habit to break. I really really struggled. 137 00:06:04,361 --> 00:06:06,841 Speaker 1: My best when you're trying to break a sugar habit 138 00:06:07,041 --> 00:06:10,481 Speaker 1: is is to replace with healthier alternatives first. Once you 139 00:06:10,561 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: do that, then you just see that you don't actually 140 00:06:12,601 --> 00:06:15,681 Speaker 1: need it as much. So I instantly swap lollies for 141 00:06:15,841 --> 00:06:18,801 Speaker 1: clean treats and for fruit because it's still sweet, it's 142 00:06:18,801 --> 00:06:21,321 Speaker 1: still yummy. And at night time, I was having these 143 00:06:21,361 --> 00:06:24,241 Speaker 1: little mini cyclone icy poles because they were mini. I 144 00:06:24,281 --> 00:06:26,161 Speaker 1: was justifying it. I was like, they're only small, They've 145 00:06:26,161 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: only got this mount in there, blah blah blah. So 146 00:06:28,601 --> 00:06:31,481 Speaker 1: now I swapped that to like a decaf mocker or 147 00:06:31,561 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: just like a healthier version of a hot chocolate or 148 00:06:33,521 --> 00:06:35,601 Speaker 1: my bye Bi bloat tea. But I've got something in 149 00:06:35,601 --> 00:06:37,921 Speaker 1: to replace it, and now I'm like out of that 150 00:06:37,961 --> 00:06:39,801 Speaker 1: happened most of the time. I just don't even need 151 00:06:39,841 --> 00:06:43,121 Speaker 1: something afterwards anymore. Yeah, so that was kind of in 152 00:06:43,161 --> 00:06:45,681 Speaker 1: a nutshell mind, But I feel like your experience and 153 00:06:45,761 --> 00:06:48,521 Speaker 1: journey has been way more life changing. 154 00:06:49,521 --> 00:06:51,681 Speaker 2: Because I think the things that I've been doing, I'd 155 00:06:51,761 --> 00:06:55,561 Speaker 2: been doing for so long, and I realized that these 156 00:06:55,961 --> 00:07:00,201 Speaker 2: unhealthy habits were a part of my toolbox and helped 157 00:07:00,201 --> 00:07:03,601 Speaker 2: me cope through daily life. But I needed to replace 158 00:07:03,641 --> 00:07:05,001 Speaker 2: them with healthy ways to do that. 159 00:07:05,201 --> 00:07:06,361 Speaker 1: And was normalized too. 160 00:07:06,561 --> 00:07:08,281 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was normalized. So yeah. 161 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,881 Speaker 2: I mean, Kurt and I love a drink, and it 162 00:07:10,921 --> 00:07:13,801 Speaker 2: was just a part of our weekly routine. You have 163 00:07:13,881 --> 00:07:15,921 Speaker 2: a big day, come home, how do you relax? 164 00:07:16,001 --> 00:07:17,201 Speaker 3: You have a wine? Yea. 165 00:07:17,281 --> 00:07:19,241 Speaker 2: Then the next day you wake up and you feel 166 00:07:19,241 --> 00:07:22,361 Speaker 2: like shit and you underwy. You realize as well that 167 00:07:22,841 --> 00:07:26,041 Speaker 2: when you abstain from it and you stop having it, 168 00:07:26,641 --> 00:07:29,401 Speaker 2: all the feelings that you were feeling start to disappear. 169 00:07:29,401 --> 00:07:30,401 Speaker 3: When you stop having it. 170 00:07:30,561 --> 00:07:32,841 Speaker 2: The next day you wake up, you feel more anxious, 171 00:07:33,241 --> 00:07:36,041 Speaker 2: everything feels even harder. You need to grab a coffee 172 00:07:36,361 --> 00:07:39,121 Speaker 2: because you're tired because you're drinking the night before. And 173 00:07:39,161 --> 00:07:44,041 Speaker 2: it's just this vicious, vicious cycle. But basically what made 174 00:07:44,081 --> 00:07:46,201 Speaker 2: me want to do it is Kurt and I were 175 00:07:46,281 --> 00:07:50,521 Speaker 2: drinking a little bit too much and I one morning 176 00:07:50,521 --> 00:07:52,081 Speaker 2: when I was a bit annoyed to Kurt, It's been 177 00:07:52,161 --> 00:07:54,241 Speaker 2: completely candid and open here. He had a bit of 178 00:07:54,241 --> 00:07:56,201 Speaker 2: a night out and I was a bit annoyed, and 179 00:07:56,241 --> 00:07:57,481 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to read this book and 180 00:07:57,481 --> 00:07:59,161 Speaker 2: pick it up and see what this is all about. 181 00:07:59,201 --> 00:08:01,721 Speaker 2: It had been recommended to me before, and I think 182 00:08:01,841 --> 00:08:04,121 Speaker 2: I knew that I needed to read it, but I 183 00:08:04,161 --> 00:08:06,361 Speaker 2: feel like I put it on because I wasn't ready. 184 00:08:06,881 --> 00:08:11,481 Speaker 2: I wasn't ready to actually give up those things like alcohol. 185 00:08:11,561 --> 00:08:13,001 Speaker 2: It definitely has been a crutch for me. 186 00:08:13,761 --> 00:08:15,801 Speaker 1: You had that awareness, You're like, I know what that 187 00:08:15,801 --> 00:08:17,921 Speaker 1: book's going to tell me. It's not quite ready to 188 00:08:17,921 --> 00:08:18,201 Speaker 1: hear it. 189 00:08:18,281 --> 00:08:19,441 Speaker 3: Yeah, do I want to hear this? 190 00:08:19,641 --> 00:08:20,761 Speaker 1: Yeah? Am I ready to? 191 00:08:21,321 --> 00:08:23,681 Speaker 2: So I'll Delvin and explain a little bit of the 192 00:08:23,721 --> 00:08:26,521 Speaker 2: main takeaways that I took from this book and how 193 00:08:26,521 --> 00:08:28,961 Speaker 2: it's kind of changed and transformed our lives. But right 194 00:08:29,001 --> 00:08:32,361 Speaker 2: now I'm I think I'm thirty five days no alcohol 195 00:08:32,801 --> 00:08:33,841 Speaker 2: and no caffeine. 196 00:08:34,681 --> 00:08:35,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough at the start. 197 00:08:36,361 --> 00:08:38,441 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you liked to give up two 198 00:08:38,561 --> 00:08:42,801 Speaker 1: things that are very addictive for most people. Oh, it's incredible. 199 00:08:42,841 --> 00:08:43,801 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. 200 00:08:44,521 --> 00:08:47,561 Speaker 2: So basically, how dopamine works, which is a really good 201 00:08:47,561 --> 00:08:50,001 Speaker 2: way that she explained it is it's on like a seesaw. 202 00:08:50,521 --> 00:08:54,401 Speaker 2: So whenever we get a dopamine hit and we feel dopamine, 203 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:58,001 Speaker 2: our natural response afterwards is we need to feel some 204 00:08:58,041 --> 00:09:02,481 Speaker 2: sort of pain. So in today's day and age, unhealthy 205 00:09:02,561 --> 00:09:07,001 Speaker 2: dopamine is so easily accessible. We wake up in the morning, 206 00:09:07,361 --> 00:09:08,241 Speaker 2: we check our phones. 207 00:09:08,561 --> 00:09:11,121 Speaker 3: Oh, somebody sent me a text message. Dopamine. 208 00:09:11,281 --> 00:09:14,841 Speaker 2: You go downstairs, make yourself a coffee dopamine hit. Then 209 00:09:14,961 --> 00:09:17,401 Speaker 2: you go, okay. Now I'm going to have a chocolate 210 00:09:17,481 --> 00:09:19,521 Speaker 2: at morning tea because that dope meine is wearing off 211 00:09:19,641 --> 00:09:21,721 Speaker 2: and I'm feeling shit, So I'm going to reach for 212 00:09:21,801 --> 00:09:23,401 Speaker 2: a chocolate dopamine hit. 213 00:09:23,721 --> 00:09:24,201 Speaker 3: Then the out. 214 00:09:24,601 --> 00:09:27,801 Speaker 2: Check your phone again, dopamine here. Then you go, okay. 215 00:09:27,921 --> 00:09:29,441 Speaker 2: Days over, I'm gonna have a bit. I'm going to 216 00:09:29,521 --> 00:09:32,281 Speaker 2: have a wine dopamine hit. But what is happening in 217 00:09:32,321 --> 00:09:36,441 Speaker 2: this modern day society. It's dopamine is becoming so easily 218 00:09:36,481 --> 00:09:40,161 Speaker 2: accessible that is actually throwing our balance completely off. This 219 00:09:40,321 --> 00:09:44,361 Speaker 2: is why in wealthy countries so many people are so 220 00:09:44,841 --> 00:09:49,241 Speaker 2: depressed because your new normal baseline is to have this 221 00:09:49,321 --> 00:09:52,161 Speaker 2: easy access of the dopamine hits. So you stop actually 222 00:09:52,161 --> 00:09:56,481 Speaker 2: feeling happy and normal unless you're having them in your life. 223 00:09:56,561 --> 00:09:59,361 Speaker 2: So little things like going for a walk, watching a sunset, 224 00:09:59,401 --> 00:10:01,721 Speaker 2: watching a sun rise, you don't gain that dopamine hit 225 00:10:01,721 --> 00:10:02,401 Speaker 2: from it anymore. 226 00:10:02,681 --> 00:10:06,441 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, where it's like ten twenty years ago, it 227 00:10:06,561 --> 00:10:09,081 Speaker 1: just wasn't as easy to access. It's easy to access 228 00:10:09,241 --> 00:10:10,961 Speaker 1: more simple things in life would give it to like 229 00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:12,761 Speaker 1: connection nature. That's it. 230 00:10:13,281 --> 00:10:16,761 Speaker 2: So the only way for us to regulate that balance 231 00:10:16,801 --> 00:10:19,801 Speaker 2: again and get the balance back to where it should 232 00:10:19,841 --> 00:10:24,161 Speaker 2: be is either to abstain from it for minimum thirty days, 233 00:10:24,161 --> 00:10:27,401 Speaker 2: which is why I've done that, or to feel pain 234 00:10:28,561 --> 00:10:32,681 Speaker 2: pain healthy pain, so because they go hand in hand, right, 235 00:10:33,041 --> 00:10:36,041 Speaker 2: So the best ways to do this is hot therapy, 236 00:10:36,401 --> 00:10:41,401 Speaker 2: cold therapy, exercise, and intermitted fasting. So what happens is 237 00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:44,241 Speaker 2: when we go and we do these things, not only 238 00:10:44,681 --> 00:10:47,401 Speaker 2: are we getting the dopamine hit afterwards. So if you 239 00:10:47,441 --> 00:10:50,681 Speaker 2: go and do a long sauna, you are feeling pain. 240 00:10:51,001 --> 00:10:52,761 Speaker 2: So the rebound of that is you get a dope 241 00:10:52,761 --> 00:10:55,121 Speaker 2: mean hit, but it's not a big spike and then 242 00:10:55,161 --> 00:10:58,401 Speaker 2: you crash. You will feel it for like seven hours 243 00:10:58,401 --> 00:11:01,521 Speaker 2: of your day. So what it does is it starts 244 00:11:01,601 --> 00:11:05,641 Speaker 2: to make you literally feel happier. So you can do 245 00:11:05,681 --> 00:11:08,241 Speaker 2: this anything that you choose, even with you know, we're 246 00:11:08,281 --> 00:11:09,761 Speaker 2: going to do a whole episode. 247 00:11:09,361 --> 00:11:10,601 Speaker 3: About digital detox. 248 00:11:10,721 --> 00:11:12,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you decide to do it, say with 249 00:11:12,641 --> 00:11:15,201 Speaker 2: your phone, if you're feeling like you're becoming really addicted, 250 00:11:15,601 --> 00:11:18,001 Speaker 2: then this is a way to just literally make you 251 00:11:18,081 --> 00:11:20,881 Speaker 2: feel less depressed and more joyous in your life. 252 00:11:21,481 --> 00:11:21,681 Speaker 1: Yeah. 253 00:11:21,881 --> 00:11:24,761 Speaker 2: Kurt and I were definitely reaching on this as a 254 00:11:24,761 --> 00:11:27,321 Speaker 2: crutch in our life, and we were like, you know what, 255 00:11:28,401 --> 00:11:32,561 Speaker 2: let's abstain, but at the same time, let's also do 256 00:11:32,641 --> 00:11:35,361 Speaker 2: everything we can to feel pain, the healthy. 257 00:11:35,121 --> 00:11:37,961 Speaker 1: Pain, healthy pain, and healthy stress. Hey yeah, so cool. 258 00:11:38,161 --> 00:11:38,601 Speaker 3: Yeah. 259 00:11:38,641 --> 00:11:41,961 Speaker 2: So, not only did we abstain for the thirty days, 260 00:11:42,201 --> 00:11:44,961 Speaker 2: but we did saunas every single day. We did cold 261 00:11:45,041 --> 00:11:48,001 Speaker 2: therapy at least three times a week, We did intermedded 262 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:51,241 Speaker 2: fasting for a good chunk of it, and exercise five 263 00:11:51,281 --> 00:11:53,481 Speaker 2: times a week because we were like, we want to 264 00:11:53,481 --> 00:11:56,841 Speaker 2: get our baseline back to where it should be. I 265 00:11:56,841 --> 00:12:00,921 Speaker 2: guess the journey of this. At the start, I was 266 00:12:00,961 --> 00:12:02,961 Speaker 2: determined to do it because I was pissed off a Kurt. 267 00:12:04,481 --> 00:12:04,921 Speaker 1: And I wanted to. 268 00:12:04,921 --> 00:12:07,041 Speaker 3: Te myself course. I wanted to see if I could 269 00:12:07,041 --> 00:12:07,201 Speaker 3: do it. 270 00:12:07,201 --> 00:12:09,241 Speaker 2: Which is hence away through the coffee there too, because 271 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:11,241 Speaker 2: I knew for me coffee would have been through the 272 00:12:11,241 --> 00:12:14,121 Speaker 2: coffee really hard, really hard for me. Like that is 273 00:12:14,121 --> 00:12:15,641 Speaker 2: what I am known as. 274 00:12:15,561 --> 00:12:16,961 Speaker 1: That love your morning coffee. 275 00:12:17,001 --> 00:12:20,201 Speaker 2: Since the day I started drinking coffee, I've not gone 276 00:12:20,201 --> 00:12:20,921 Speaker 2: like a day without it. 277 00:12:20,961 --> 00:12:22,961 Speaker 1: And it's like pretty quickly as soon as you're up, 278 00:12:22,961 --> 00:12:24,441 Speaker 1: like even when we can't hit it brizzy, it's like 279 00:12:24,481 --> 00:12:26,241 Speaker 1: you met your coffee straight away, beautiful. 280 00:12:26,281 --> 00:12:28,401 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get that dope for me, Yeah, get it 281 00:12:28,441 --> 00:12:31,281 Speaker 2: in and now, Like in hindsight, I can see how 282 00:12:31,321 --> 00:12:34,881 Speaker 2: addicted I was, but I can also feel the effects 283 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:38,121 Speaker 2: on my body that afternoon crash, which you probably. 284 00:12:37,841 --> 00:12:40,481 Speaker 3: Would have got from sugar too. Oh yeah, don't get 285 00:12:40,481 --> 00:12:42,321 Speaker 3: it anymore, No, don't get it anymore. 286 00:12:42,961 --> 00:12:43,921 Speaker 1: Yeah. 287 00:12:44,001 --> 00:12:47,681 Speaker 2: The journey starting off was really really tough, and some 288 00:12:47,841 --> 00:12:50,321 Speaker 2: tips and tricks that I feel like really helped me 289 00:12:50,361 --> 00:12:53,761 Speaker 2: along the way. Burstings first, getting it all out of 290 00:12:53,801 --> 00:12:58,441 Speaker 2: the house, put it away. I actually gave away some 291 00:12:58,521 --> 00:13:00,721 Speaker 2: bottles of wine that I had. Kurt took all he 292 00:13:00,761 --> 00:13:02,361 Speaker 2: had a carner beer, but he took it all out 293 00:13:02,361 --> 00:13:05,481 Speaker 2: of the fridge so it's not cold, yeah, which worked 294 00:13:05,561 --> 00:13:08,481 Speaker 2: pretty well for like the first week, maybe because you're 295 00:13:08,521 --> 00:13:10,401 Speaker 2: on a roll, you're getting started, you're excited. 296 00:13:10,081 --> 00:13:11,881 Speaker 3: Motivation's hard, motivation's high. 297 00:13:12,081 --> 00:13:13,001 Speaker 1: Motivation will dip. 298 00:13:13,281 --> 00:13:15,601 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And then we kind of started to 299 00:13:15,641 --> 00:13:18,761 Speaker 2: find some replacements. So Kurt was doing a lot of 300 00:13:18,761 --> 00:13:21,241 Speaker 2: soft drinks in the afternoon, but healthy ones like next 301 00:13:21,241 --> 00:13:25,361 Speaker 2: Bar or Butchers, soda, water, stuff like that to kind 302 00:13:25,361 --> 00:13:29,041 Speaker 2: of replace it. Non alcoholic wine is not a vibe guys. 303 00:13:29,801 --> 00:13:31,201 Speaker 3: It tastes so bad. 304 00:13:31,761 --> 00:13:33,921 Speaker 2: So that didn't work for me. But in the afternoon 305 00:13:33,961 --> 00:13:35,281 Speaker 2: I did the same sort of thing. I would have, 306 00:13:35,361 --> 00:13:38,001 Speaker 2: like a relaxing tea, because what I was searching for 307 00:13:38,041 --> 00:13:40,241 Speaker 2: and what my body wanted was to relax at the 308 00:13:40,361 --> 00:13:42,681 Speaker 2: end of the day. I was wanting it to help 309 00:13:42,721 --> 00:13:45,681 Speaker 2: me switch off. So instead of reaching for the red wine, 310 00:13:45,761 --> 00:13:48,921 Speaker 2: I was making myself like a camera mold tea. Also, 311 00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:51,121 Speaker 2: what we were doing is giving each other time to 312 00:13:51,161 --> 00:13:53,481 Speaker 2: go have a sauna so we could get that you know, 313 00:13:53,681 --> 00:13:55,841 Speaker 2: relaxing time on our own as well that we were 314 00:13:55,881 --> 00:13:57,881 Speaker 2: both obviously craving at the end of each day when 315 00:13:57,921 --> 00:14:01,681 Speaker 2: we ran for a drink and then with coffee at 316 00:14:01,721 --> 00:14:04,321 Speaker 2: the start. We replaced it with teas and bone broths 317 00:14:04,321 --> 00:14:07,201 Speaker 2: and it wasn't quite cutting it. So then we started 318 00:14:07,201 --> 00:14:09,361 Speaker 2: actually treating ourselves. I think it was like twice or 319 00:14:09,361 --> 00:14:10,761 Speaker 2: three times a week, and we'd go out and buy 320 00:14:10,801 --> 00:14:12,361 Speaker 2: a decaf one from a restaurant. 321 00:14:12,561 --> 00:14:14,281 Speaker 3: Most of the time it tastes pretty dunk close. 322 00:14:14,681 --> 00:14:17,281 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's really bad, but you will find the 323 00:14:17,321 --> 00:14:20,001 Speaker 2: cafes that are right for you, and that tastes a 324 00:14:20,081 --> 00:14:23,441 Speaker 2: right But just the effects on how I feel afterwards, 325 00:14:23,441 --> 00:14:26,161 Speaker 2: and I've done a whole episode on my period how 326 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:28,121 Speaker 2: much I feel like this has had also an effect 327 00:14:28,161 --> 00:14:30,801 Speaker 2: on my periods as well, which is crazy. 328 00:14:30,601 --> 00:14:33,681 Speaker 1: And just been huge and so important. Huge. 329 00:14:33,921 --> 00:14:39,481 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel so much more regulated, I feel 330 00:14:39,521 --> 00:14:43,481 Speaker 2: so much more grounded. I feel like I'm way less frazzled, 331 00:14:44,081 --> 00:14:46,161 Speaker 2: and I just feel alive. 332 00:14:46,361 --> 00:14:48,081 Speaker 1: I feel alive, I look alive. 333 00:14:47,841 --> 00:14:50,921 Speaker 2: I feel fantastic, And I can't believe that I put 334 00:14:50,921 --> 00:14:54,281 Speaker 2: my body through that stress for so long and even 335 00:14:54,361 --> 00:14:56,081 Speaker 2: so many times in my life day and day out. 336 00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:57,881 Speaker 2: I was having a glass of wine through heaps of 337 00:14:57,881 --> 00:15:00,081 Speaker 2: times of my life. Every time I'm cooking dinner, I'm 338 00:15:00,081 --> 00:15:01,561 Speaker 2: gonna have a glass of wine if it came a 339 00:15:01,561 --> 00:15:05,441 Speaker 2: part of my normal routine. And until you actually, and 340 00:15:05,481 --> 00:15:07,521 Speaker 2: it's not the first week. You won't feel it because 341 00:15:07,521 --> 00:15:08,881 Speaker 2: it stays in your body, I think for up to 342 00:15:08,921 --> 00:15:11,481 Speaker 2: five days. So you've got to give yourself. That's what 343 00:15:11,481 --> 00:15:13,161 Speaker 2: they say. With the abstaining as well, it's got to 344 00:15:13,201 --> 00:15:16,161 Speaker 2: be a minimum of thirty days. And at the end 345 00:15:16,201 --> 00:15:17,761 Speaker 2: of it, like I turned to Ashley and I said 346 00:15:17,761 --> 00:15:19,401 Speaker 2: to her, I was like, I don't even know when 347 00:15:19,401 --> 00:15:20,841 Speaker 2: I want to have a drink again. Like I thought 348 00:15:20,881 --> 00:15:22,161 Speaker 2: i'd get to the end and be like, oh, I'm 349 00:15:22,161 --> 00:15:24,641 Speaker 2: going to have a champagne to celebrate. Yeah, And we 350 00:15:24,881 --> 00:15:26,521 Speaker 2: even went to events and stuff like that, and I 351 00:15:26,561 --> 00:15:28,561 Speaker 2: was like, even the last night dinner, I was like, 352 00:15:28,601 --> 00:15:29,321 Speaker 2: I don't want to. 353 00:15:29,601 --> 00:15:31,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel too good, so good. 354 00:15:32,081 --> 00:15:34,521 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that I'm never going to drink again, 355 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:38,281 Speaker 2: but I'm going to do it when I feel like 356 00:15:38,321 --> 00:15:40,321 Speaker 2: it's the right time, and I'm not going to overdo it. 357 00:15:40,321 --> 00:15:41,721 Speaker 2: It's not going to be a thing where it's like 358 00:15:41,721 --> 00:15:43,641 Speaker 2: once a week or once a month. It's just going 359 00:15:43,681 --> 00:15:45,201 Speaker 2: to be like when there's an occasion or when I 360 00:15:45,241 --> 00:15:45,801 Speaker 2: feel like it. 361 00:15:45,921 --> 00:15:46,561 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 362 00:15:46,841 --> 00:15:49,841 Speaker 2: But I also am so mindful now of seeing the 363 00:15:49,881 --> 00:15:52,361 Speaker 2: effects on the following day that I'm like, do I 364 00:15:52,401 --> 00:15:53,401 Speaker 2: want to feel that tomorrow? 365 00:15:54,161 --> 00:15:55,521 Speaker 1: Is it worth it until you. 366 00:15:55,441 --> 00:15:58,401 Speaker 2: Actually stop it and you can feel the effects. You 367 00:15:58,401 --> 00:16:00,961 Speaker 2: don't even know then how good you can feel if 368 00:16:01,001 --> 00:16:04,841 Speaker 2: you are struggling with anxiety. If you can take anything 369 00:16:04,881 --> 00:16:09,081 Speaker 2: away from this, please even if you don't drink alcohol 370 00:16:09,121 --> 00:16:13,041 Speaker 2: but you drink coffee, try because even what we do 371 00:16:13,081 --> 00:16:14,681 Speaker 2: at home is we will use a decaf and add 372 00:16:14,721 --> 00:16:17,521 Speaker 2: some caramel like zyrup in it just to give ourselves 373 00:16:17,521 --> 00:16:19,801 Speaker 2: like something nice because we're not having a normal coffee. 374 00:16:20,521 --> 00:16:21,161 Speaker 3: Just give it a go. 375 00:16:21,441 --> 00:16:26,321 Speaker 1: And this includes pre workouts. Yoh, I'm so like. It 376 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:28,881 Speaker 1: makes me so sad to see so many women post 377 00:16:28,881 --> 00:16:32,481 Speaker 1: about anxiety and hormone issues and can't sleep and they're 378 00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:34,521 Speaker 1: taking pre workouts because they think it's better for you 379 00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,281 Speaker 1: than a coffee. If you're gonna have anything, a coffee 380 00:16:36,321 --> 00:16:39,281 Speaker 1: is better than pre workout. Like most pre workouts, you 381 00:16:39,321 --> 00:16:41,041 Speaker 1: look on the back at the amount of caffeine they have. 382 00:16:41,481 --> 00:16:45,641 Speaker 1: It has not one, not two, sometimes three or four 383 00:16:45,721 --> 00:16:48,841 Speaker 1: times the amount of one standard coffee. There's like anywhere 384 00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:52,081 Speaker 1: from one hundred and fifty to three hundred and fifty 385 00:16:52,201 --> 00:16:55,681 Speaker 1: milligrams of caffeine and you're having that in one hit. 386 00:16:56,281 --> 00:16:58,961 Speaker 1: If you have any tendency to be anxious, like get 387 00:16:59,001 --> 00:17:00,721 Speaker 1: rid of the pre workout and get rid of the caffeine. 388 00:17:00,761 --> 00:17:01,681 Speaker 1: It will change your life. 389 00:17:01,761 --> 00:17:02,561 Speaker 3: It will change your life. 390 00:17:02,561 --> 00:17:05,521 Speaker 1: I've never been a huge coffee drink cerup, but years ago, 391 00:17:05,641 --> 00:17:06,841 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, when I brought out 392 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,241 Speaker 1: my own magazine. I had Ashleybind's magazine that was sold 393 00:17:10,241 --> 00:17:12,761 Speaker 1: in coals and news agencies. It was really big achievement. 394 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: At the same time, I was also publishing a book. 395 00:17:15,241 --> 00:17:16,521 Speaker 1: You guys don't know. I'm an author and I have 396 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,561 Speaker 1: my own book. It's called Fifteen Lessons That Have Changed 397 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,721 Speaker 1: My Life. And we did this in the same period 398 00:17:20,761 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: of time, and I was stretched, like writing a book 399 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: is huge, Creating a magazine and all the content for 400 00:17:26,681 --> 00:17:30,241 Speaker 1: a magazine like, oh my goodness. And I always thought, 401 00:17:30,241 --> 00:17:32,761 Speaker 1: like Steve's a massive coffee drinker. Most people I know 402 00:17:33,001 --> 00:17:35,321 Speaker 1: a massive coffee drinkers. And I thought, gosh, I'm going 403 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: to try drink coffee because I'm tired, I'm exhausted. And 404 00:17:38,761 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: I thought everyone else seems to love it and be 405 00:17:40,801 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: fine with it, like okay, cool, I'm going to try it. 406 00:17:43,001 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: So I started having two coffees a day, morning and 407 00:17:45,761 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: lunchtime to get me through. And I also had a 408 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: lot of photo shooes at that time as well, so 409 00:17:50,441 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I have a lot of time to 410 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: eat and coffee is a bit of a suppressant, so 411 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: it helped me get through my mornings. I was intimitate 412 00:17:56,681 --> 00:17:58,801 Speaker 1: fasting without even realizing it. I'd just have the coffee 413 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: because it would get me through to lunchtime, and what 414 00:18:02,041 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: do you know, started to feel anxious, started to feel 415 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,761 Speaker 1: like crap, and going through that process, I was like, Ah, Intuitively, 416 00:18:08,801 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if I've just always known that caffeine isn't 417 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: good for my body, and now I've experienced having it lots. 418 00:18:13,441 --> 00:18:15,721 Speaker 1: This is why I don't have it, and I'm the same. 419 00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:18,241 Speaker 1: It's not that I never drink coffee. I absolutely love 420 00:18:18,321 --> 00:18:20,521 Speaker 1: the taste of coffee. If there's coffee flavored ice cream, 421 00:18:20,521 --> 00:18:24,281 Speaker 1: a coffee flavored sweet, I love coffee. The taste of 422 00:18:24,281 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: it is so frickin delicious. But I always get a 423 00:18:27,241 --> 00:18:29,401 Speaker 1: decaf or like once a week before my big group 424 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:31,561 Speaker 1: booted glass that I do. I get the before you 425 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,321 Speaker 1: speak coffee sachets. I'll have a quarter of the sachet. 426 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,001 Speaker 1: So it probably doesn't even do anything. It's just like 427 00:18:36,001 --> 00:18:38,521 Speaker 1: the placebo effective. O Oh, I've got a coffee Shen'll 428 00:18:38,561 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: literally have the tiniest little bit, but it's in control. 429 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: It's not a tool that I lean on all the time. 430 00:18:43,481 --> 00:18:46,481 Speaker 1: And for someone that has had anxiety in the past 431 00:18:46,521 --> 00:18:48,801 Speaker 1: and panic attacks, it's just why would I do that 432 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: to myself? Like you're asking for trouble. If you're going 433 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: to keep consuming caffeine, it's not going to make you 434 00:18:53,281 --> 00:18:56,041 Speaker 1: feel good. And it's so cool to experience that myself 435 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,721 Speaker 1: and then to watch you go through this and coming 436 00:18:57,761 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: out the other side. And then also Megsie, my girlfriend, 437 00:19:00,681 --> 00:19:03,281 Speaker 1: like she went through the same with alcohol. She loved 438 00:19:03,281 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: to party and she's done like nearly too years of 439 00:19:05,441 --> 00:19:07,521 Speaker 1: no our cool now she just had like one or 440 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: two here and there, but she said it was just 441 00:19:09,281 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: life changing. And when you think about all the things 442 00:19:12,681 --> 00:19:15,281 Speaker 1: that you value, this is what makes it's so clear 443 00:19:15,281 --> 00:19:17,761 Speaker 1: and easy. It's like, you know, people like me and you, 444 00:19:17,801 --> 00:19:21,441 Speaker 1: we value our health, our skin, our energy, connection time 445 00:19:21,481 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: with our family, being good role models for our kids, 446 00:19:24,761 --> 00:19:29,081 Speaker 1: having no brain fog, sleep, all those things that we value. 447 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,841 Speaker 1: Our coohol doesn't fit in with that now, so if 448 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,921 Speaker 1: you are having our cohol regularly, you're dishonoring all those 449 00:19:35,921 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: things that are really important to you. You have to 450 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: be living up to your values to live your best life. 451 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: It's one thing to say that you value those things, 452 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,961 Speaker 1: but do your actions actually meet it? Are they aligned 453 00:19:44,961 --> 00:19:46,041 Speaker 1: with it? 454 00:19:45,961 --> 00:19:47,681 Speaker 3: It is when something. 455 00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:53,321 Speaker 1: Do you justify I've worked hard today, Yeah, I just 456 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,041 Speaker 1: like it's not affected me that much. It's not that 457 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: it's because I've got my period. It's cause works really heavy, 458 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: and you see all the time. And I don't judge 459 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: anyone when I have these conversations. I'm not one to 460 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,001 Speaker 1: go and like preach to everyone. We're sharing this because 461 00:20:04,001 --> 00:20:06,041 Speaker 1: we've experienced it. We want to help just open your 462 00:20:06,041 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: eyes up to maybe this is something you want to try. 463 00:20:08,761 --> 00:20:11,561 Speaker 1: But I can see when people are justifying and I'm like, oh, 464 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: you don't know how good you can feel, you know, 465 00:20:14,001 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: and everyone will get there on their own journey. But 466 00:20:15,721 --> 00:20:18,241 Speaker 1: hopefully today after listening, you're like, oh, maybe I am 467 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,241 Speaker 1: grabbing my sugar hit at three pm in the afternoon. 468 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,081 Speaker 1: Maybe I could try and not do that. And then 469 00:20:24,281 --> 00:20:25,881 Speaker 1: when you see how hard it is, you know you've 470 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: got a problem. 471 00:20:26,521 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. 472 00:20:27,321 --> 00:20:29,321 Speaker 1: When I found it really hard to not grab the 473 00:20:29,441 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: handful of lollies. I was like, this is a problem. 474 00:20:32,521 --> 00:20:34,561 Speaker 1: I would get at nine am and the jar was 475 00:20:34,561 --> 00:20:36,561 Speaker 1: staring at me and I felt like I had no control. 476 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,561 Speaker 1: And people started laughing and making jokes and like remember 477 00:20:39,561 --> 00:20:41,601 Speaker 1: one on the staff it was filmed me and uploaded a TikTok, 478 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,561 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, this is becoming like a 479 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: joke within the office. I'm like, this is not funny. 480 00:20:46,801 --> 00:20:49,361 Speaker 1: This is not making me feel good. And people joke 481 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,041 Speaker 1: about it with coffee and alcohol to normalize it because 482 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: they want it to be normal for them, but it's 483 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,121 Speaker 1: not actually healthy and not actually serving you. So it's 484 00:20:57,201 --> 00:20:59,321 Speaker 1: just something to really reflect on. And it's such a 485 00:20:59,481 --> 00:21:03,681 Speaker 1: common thing in today's society, especially with men. The alcohol. 486 00:21:03,721 --> 00:21:06,441 Speaker 1: It's how they connect, It's how they let their walls down, 487 00:21:06,521 --> 00:21:08,681 Speaker 1: get rid of their ego and just like have some fun. 488 00:21:08,921 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: It's how we relax, it's how we distress. It's just 489 00:21:12,281 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: what most people do. Right, it's normal. But when you 490 00:21:15,201 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: come out the other side, you're like, wow, I don't 491 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,121 Speaker 1: want that to be my normal. And I know for myself, 492 00:21:19,201 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: I didn't want my kids seeing that as normal. I 493 00:21:21,681 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: didn't want them to think, Oh, every time you are stressed, 494 00:21:24,281 --> 00:21:26,041 Speaker 1: you want to have fun, you want to connect, you 495 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,281 Speaker 1: want to DeWind, you want to I don't know whatever 496 00:21:28,441 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: you describe a drink. Yeah, if that's not how I 497 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,201 Speaker 1: want them thinking life's normal and same with anything. 498 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,561 Speaker 2: There's so many as well, Like even in this book 499 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,921 Speaker 2: dopamin Nation, she talks about simple things like our phone. 500 00:21:39,041 --> 00:21:41,881 Speaker 2: I know a few people that are sold to their phone. 501 00:21:42,321 --> 00:21:45,041 Speaker 2: I can't go literally two minutes about checking it. And 502 00:21:45,321 --> 00:21:46,921 Speaker 2: it doesn't even need to be if you don't relate 503 00:21:46,961 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: to the alcohol thing, don't relate to the coffee thing, 504 00:21:48,801 --> 00:21:51,041 Speaker 2: don't relate to the caffeine. It's like, how about your phone? 505 00:21:51,201 --> 00:21:52,521 Speaker 3: Yes? And if not your phone. 506 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,521 Speaker 2: There was a guy in the book that was addicted 507 00:21:54,561 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: to sex, and hearing his story and how his addiction 508 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,481 Speaker 2: completely ended up ruling his life. It's just one of 509 00:22:00,521 --> 00:22:02,561 Speaker 2: those books that I feel like everyone needs to read 510 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,961 Speaker 2: because it's really eye opening. And one other thing too 511 00:22:06,001 --> 00:22:08,281 Speaker 2: that I wanted to touch on. I had so many people 512 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: messaging concerned about withdrawals. 513 00:22:10,961 --> 00:22:14,921 Speaker 3: Oh, so many people like going, you go? How was it? So? 514 00:22:15,041 --> 00:22:17,001 Speaker 2: My number one thing that I would say is if 515 00:22:17,041 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: you are a heavy coffee drinker. If you are someone 516 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: who was drinking like double shot in the morning and 517 00:22:21,481 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: double shot at ten o'clock, don't completely go cold turkey. 518 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: Start off doing half shot, do that for like a week, 519 00:22:28,001 --> 00:22:30,561 Speaker 2: and then go down to one coffee. Because I was 520 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,681 Speaker 2: only having half strength anyway, because I knew it made 521 00:22:32,681 --> 00:22:34,481 Speaker 2: me feel shit. So I was like, I was just 522 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:36,521 Speaker 2: do a half strength, but I had a couple of 523 00:22:36,561 --> 00:22:39,201 Speaker 2: like light headaches, which, just being completely candid, I also 524 00:22:39,281 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: got botox right near the start of it, and that 525 00:22:41,241 --> 00:22:43,481 Speaker 2: hells of my headaches, you know, the it does hell's 526 00:22:43,521 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: with my headache. So I was like, it could have 527 00:22:44,961 --> 00:22:47,761 Speaker 2: been potentially a lot worse if I didn't have that. 528 00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, I would definitely recommend that if you are 529 00:22:50,201 --> 00:22:52,401 Speaker 2: somebody who is having it and a lot of it 530 00:22:52,521 --> 00:22:55,561 Speaker 2: and very regularly, maybe just do a slow approach over 531 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: like the first three weeks and then completely get rid 532 00:22:58,481 --> 00:23:00,801 Speaker 2: of it and start to abstain. Because I knew so 533 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,521 Speaker 2: many people would think like, how can I go with withdrawals, 534 00:23:03,521 --> 00:23:06,281 Speaker 2: Like I'm worried about the headaches, I'm going to cope, 535 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,961 Speaker 2: And that's all so valid, but it's also a reason 536 00:23:09,521 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: to stop you from taking the action. So yeah, I 537 00:23:12,681 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: would just slowly decrease, and even the same with wine 538 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: if you're having one Like this is even something that 539 00:23:17,481 --> 00:23:20,281 Speaker 2: I've done previously. I was having a wine at four 540 00:23:20,321 --> 00:23:21,961 Speaker 2: in the afternoon. This is when I was in my 541 00:23:22,001 --> 00:23:24,161 Speaker 2: bad and zone, and I started pushing out, like, hey, 542 00:23:24,201 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: now I can't have one till six, So like push 543 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,401 Speaker 2: the time out so you can only fit like one 544 00:23:28,481 --> 00:23:30,841 Speaker 2: in and then like do half a glass and then 545 00:23:30,921 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: do you know, I think that whatever works for you 546 00:23:34,201 --> 00:23:36,961 Speaker 2: to get to that point. But if you're worried about withdrawals, 547 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: then maybe do a little bit of a slow approach. 548 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 2: Maybe do one month cutting back, yeah, and then one 549 00:23:42,441 --> 00:23:43,321 Speaker 2: month abstaining. 550 00:23:43,481 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: Really good advice. Yeah, and probably increase your water tenfold 551 00:23:46,721 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: to help with the headaches. 552 00:23:47,481 --> 00:23:48,441 Speaker 3: A one, one hundred percent. 553 00:23:48,441 --> 00:23:50,521 Speaker 2: But you know what, as well, The crazy thing is, 554 00:23:51,241 --> 00:23:54,481 Speaker 2: since I have stopped drinking coffee and I've stopped drinking alcohol, 555 00:23:54,721 --> 00:23:58,001 Speaker 2: I am drinking so much more water because every time 556 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: I went for a drink, it was something unhealthy for me. 557 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: It was a coffee or a wine. So in my morning, 558 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,321 Speaker 2: I've like got a coffee all the time. In my afternoon, 559 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 2: I've got a wine all the time, so you actually 560 00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:10,441 Speaker 2: end up upping your water intake naturally. 561 00:24:10,521 --> 00:24:13,561 Speaker 1: Anyway, It's so called this role and effect too. It's 562 00:24:13,561 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: like you cut the alcohol and the caffeine and you 563 00:24:16,201 --> 00:24:18,721 Speaker 1: replaced it with bone broth and tea and more water. 564 00:24:19,201 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: When you feel better from that, then you want to 565 00:24:21,481 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: choose healthier food. When you're choosing healthier food, you then 566 00:24:24,441 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: have more energy and vitality about you, So then you 567 00:24:26,561 --> 00:24:27,721 Speaker 1: have more energy to go to the gym. When you 568 00:24:27,761 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: go to the gym, you start to feel better, you 569 00:24:28,961 --> 00:24:31,321 Speaker 1: start to feel more confident. Then your cup's getting fulled. 570 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: Then you overflow that to your relationship. You're being an 571 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,641 Speaker 1: example for your kids. It's like this isn't just one thing. 572 00:24:35,761 --> 00:24:38,801 Speaker 1: This is going to positively impact everything in your life. 573 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: It's important to you. Amen. 574 00:24:40,241 --> 00:24:45,321 Speaker 2: Girlfriend, Wow, Amen my energy levels. So I was worried 575 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,321 Speaker 2: as well. How am I going to go without coffee? 576 00:24:47,921 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: I had this story that I needed this for energy. 577 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 578 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 2: I feel more energized now and less sleepy like you 579 00:24:54,681 --> 00:24:55,961 Speaker 2: might have even noticed on this trip. 580 00:24:56,041 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, generally I'm cooked. Yeah, I do actually feel like 581 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,681 Speaker 1: you're being way more energetic. 582 00:25:00,001 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: We didn't have the best sleep last night, no, but 583 00:25:02,281 --> 00:25:06,521 Speaker 2: I don't have the colmdown that I'm putting in my body, 584 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: especially the coffee. I feel like the coffee in all honesty, 585 00:25:11,761 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: I probably found harder than the alcohol. I had a 586 00:25:14,961 --> 00:25:17,561 Speaker 2: couple of moments as well where I found it really 587 00:25:17,561 --> 00:25:20,561 Speaker 2: really tough, and I thought maybe I would share about that. 588 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 3: So we went to a event and there was free 589 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,961 Speaker 3: alcohol the whole. 590 00:25:28,201 --> 00:25:29,801 Speaker 2: And we're staying up here, and normally too, when Kurt 591 00:25:29,801 --> 00:25:31,761 Speaker 2: and I go away together, we go out and have 592 00:25:31,801 --> 00:25:34,001 Speaker 2: a drink. We go have some tapis somewhere, have the 593 00:25:34,201 --> 00:25:37,201 Speaker 2: drink together, and it was a huge challenge for both 594 00:25:37,241 --> 00:25:40,921 Speaker 2: of us. Curtie really struggled, which is fair enough. And 595 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,801 Speaker 2: when we went out that night, we kind of just 596 00:25:42,801 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: said to ourselves, so I'll just get a lemon lion 597 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: bitters to start off with, see how we feel, and 598 00:25:46,521 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: just like, you know, soda water whatever they had there. 599 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: So we just drank drinks like that. They made us 600 00:25:51,281 --> 00:25:53,041 Speaker 2: feel like we were kind of drinking and it was 601 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,041 Speaker 2: something out of the norm for us. But what I 602 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: would say is in those moments, because as we walked 603 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,481 Speaker 2: through the door, they went to hand me a champagne 604 00:26:01,521 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: and I told myself in my head I'm just going 605 00:26:03,241 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: to have a different drink first, and once you have 606 00:26:06,001 --> 00:26:08,921 Speaker 2: that first, you're like, this isn't so bad. Yeah, so 607 00:26:09,241 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: your first drink, and then the same thing. When I 608 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,001 Speaker 2: went to an engagement party last weekend, I told myself, oh, 609 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,801 Speaker 2: I'll just have just a soft drink first, or a 610 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,441 Speaker 2: can butcher first or whatever it is, have that first. 611 00:26:19,761 --> 00:26:21,561 Speaker 2: And then as soon as you have that first one 612 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,761 Speaker 2: and you're talking and you're chatting and you're socializing, and you're. 613 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,761 Speaker 1: Like, I don't need it. 614 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: I don't need this to feel comfortable. You're going to 615 00:26:28,241 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: feel a bit nervous when you're first walking in some 616 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,121 Speaker 2: way anyway, whether you have a drink or you don't. 617 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 2: But I think we go, oh, we have it so 618 00:26:33,561 --> 00:26:36,561 Speaker 2: we can socialize, so when you feel relaxed. But it's 619 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,761 Speaker 2: like you can do that without it. Yeah, you have 620 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: this story, like especially someone who I feel like, I'm 621 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,801 Speaker 2: definitely getting way better at this, but back in the day, 622 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,321 Speaker 2: I had really bad at social anxiety and sometimes in 623 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,201 Speaker 2: my life and I thought in my head it made 624 00:26:50,201 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 2: me more likable, I felt more. 625 00:26:51,521 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: Comfortable, more out there. 626 00:26:53,241 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 2: I actually feel more comfortable when I'm not drinking. I 627 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: know I'm not saying anything stupid. I know I'm saying 628 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: things that are aligned with who I am. I know 629 00:26:59,761 --> 00:27:02,761 Speaker 2: I'm showing truly who I am in my core. And 630 00:27:02,801 --> 00:27:04,121 Speaker 2: it's not just the alcohol speaking. 631 00:27:04,321 --> 00:27:04,521 Speaker 1: Yeah. 632 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,001 Speaker 3: Yeah. 633 00:27:05,281 --> 00:27:07,121 Speaker 1: And when you're like that too, you're going to attract 634 00:27:07,201 --> 00:27:09,801 Speaker 1: and connect with people that are more aligned with you. 635 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,241 Speaker 1: Whereas when you're being like not that you're drunk, but 636 00:27:12,281 --> 00:27:14,321 Speaker 1: when you're being silly and tipsy or whatever, you're probably 637 00:27:14,441 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: attracting people that aren't actually aligned with who you truly are. 638 00:27:17,521 --> 00:27:21,481 Speaker 2: And you remember everything, are left making better connections than 639 00:27:21,481 --> 00:27:23,481 Speaker 2: I previously when I was drinking, because you're not just 640 00:27:23,481 --> 00:27:25,521 Speaker 2: like drinking and talking to your partner. I was like, Oh, 641 00:27:25,561 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: Mom's going to go walk around the room chat to 642 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: everyone like met Ale these people, these incredible stories. At 643 00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: the Operation to Smile event, it was so amazing. Spoke 644 00:27:32,201 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: to surgeons and this and that, and I was like, 645 00:27:34,201 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: that's really cool. Rather than me lining up waiting for 646 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,761 Speaker 2: the friggin like the line for the alcohol huge Yeah, 647 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,561 Speaker 2: stand there half the. 648 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: Night each time you run out of drink lining up 649 00:27:42,281 --> 00:27:42,761 Speaker 3: for another one. 650 00:27:42,801 --> 00:27:44,801 Speaker 2: I was there, chatting with people, being present. 651 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: Wow, But you think it's. 652 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,641 Speaker 2: Actually in these moments and being at these events that 653 00:27:49,681 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: these are the moments when you know you need it. 654 00:27:52,041 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's actually really. 655 00:27:53,001 --> 00:27:55,401 Speaker 1: Beautiful to night have it so frigging co open eyes 656 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,161 Speaker 1: and caffeine apparently stays in your body. I can't remember 657 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: if it's twenty four or thirty six hours. It stays 658 00:28:00,961 --> 00:28:03,001 Speaker 1: in your body quite a long time. So they say, 659 00:28:03,001 --> 00:28:06,641 Speaker 1: don't have caffeine us twelve o'clock, but it's actually longer. Lieout. 660 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,801 Speaker 1: Your body has still got caffeine in it. You're not 661 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,801 Speaker 1: gonna have a good quality sleep. And it's the same 662 00:28:10,801 --> 00:28:14,281 Speaker 1: with sugar. If like you have dessert, you are literally 663 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,041 Speaker 1: putting that body into your body, your insulin spikes. You 664 00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: were putting your body to work because it has to 665 00:28:18,721 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: now work to digest and put that energy somewhere and 666 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: do something with that energy. So if you have a 667 00:28:22,721 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: shitty nights sleep and you had dessert before you went 668 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: to bed, no wonder. 669 00:28:26,961 --> 00:28:27,241 Speaker 3: Yeah. 670 00:28:27,281 --> 00:28:30,081 Speaker 1: And same with alcohol. It's full of calories and sugars 671 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,761 Speaker 1: and whatever, bed whatever else. It's not going to give 672 00:28:32,761 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: you a quality sleep. 673 00:28:33,801 --> 00:28:37,201 Speaker 2: Even in my Periods episode when we spoke about HRV levels, 674 00:28:37,241 --> 00:28:39,961 Speaker 2: which it measures your nervous system, something that Kurt and 675 00:28:40,041 --> 00:28:41,961 Speaker 2: I have realized is if we eat dinner too late, 676 00:28:42,761 --> 00:28:44,081 Speaker 2: it's spikes as well. 677 00:28:43,881 --> 00:28:44,481 Speaker 3: It's not good. 678 00:28:44,521 --> 00:28:47,241 Speaker 2: And also we went through a phase of having dessert 679 00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:50,801 Speaker 2: before bed, having these little cookies and yeah, spiked it 680 00:28:50,801 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: as what It's like, why are we doing this when 681 00:28:52,001 --> 00:28:53,721 Speaker 2: we wanted to have a well, restless sleep and wanting 682 00:28:53,721 --> 00:28:55,681 Speaker 2: all the other things. You should at least have like 683 00:28:55,721 --> 00:28:57,161 Speaker 2: three hours before. 684 00:28:56,881 --> 00:28:57,801 Speaker 3: Going to bed that you eat. 685 00:28:58,161 --> 00:29:00,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then same as having a sweet treat, it 686 00:29:00,641 --> 00:29:03,721 Speaker 2: hugely impacts your sleep. Yeah, and seeing that firsthand and 687 00:29:03,761 --> 00:29:05,961 Speaker 2: actually seeing how it affects it, it's like, why would 688 00:29:05,961 --> 00:29:10,641 Speaker 2: I do that to myself? That, yeah, help yourself out, 689 00:29:12,281 --> 00:29:14,161 Speaker 2: but yeah, I would give yourself. How you said the 690 00:29:14,361 --> 00:29:16,841 Speaker 2: twenty four hours or thirty six hours a caffeine, Yeah, 691 00:29:16,841 --> 00:29:19,841 Speaker 2: I think alcohol's around five days. But all of it, 692 00:29:20,081 --> 00:29:22,641 Speaker 2: I reckon. It took two three weeks and I was like, 693 00:29:22,841 --> 00:29:25,281 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I feel incredible. Before that, I was 694 00:29:25,321 --> 00:29:28,921 Speaker 2: like not really noticing the difference. So don't let that 695 00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:30,481 Speaker 2: be your thing that makes you go, oh, I'm not 696 00:29:30,521 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: really feeling a change. I'm going to go back and 697 00:29:31,961 --> 00:29:34,601 Speaker 2: start doing it again. You need minimum thirty days. 698 00:29:34,721 --> 00:29:36,641 Speaker 1: That minimum, that's just like it's so cool that you 699 00:29:37,281 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: haven't straight away gone back to it, because it's how 700 00:29:39,761 --> 00:29:43,161 Speaker 1: you feel after thirty, Imagine after sixty, imagine after ninety. Yeah, 701 00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:45,121 Speaker 1: like it's only going to get better and better. Yeah, 702 00:29:45,121 --> 00:29:47,041 Speaker 1: and then you really will not be repulsed by it, 703 00:29:47,041 --> 00:29:49,361 Speaker 1: but you almost be like like, no, why would I 704 00:29:49,401 --> 00:29:49,801 Speaker 1: want to. 705 00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:51,161 Speaker 3: That's it was said to Ashley. 706 00:29:51,281 --> 00:29:53,801 Speaker 2: You know, I think the difference will be it'll just 707 00:29:53,841 --> 00:29:56,161 Speaker 2: be like random times. It won't be a regular thing. 708 00:29:56,201 --> 00:29:58,761 Speaker 2: And when I have it, I'll sip on one glass 709 00:29:58,761 --> 00:30:00,441 Speaker 2: of wine. It won't be like I'm going to drink 710 00:30:00,441 --> 00:30:00,801 Speaker 2: a bottle. 711 00:30:00,961 --> 00:30:03,761 Speaker 1: And it's also evaluating, like say, if you incur up 712 00:30:03,801 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: here and you had a night up here and have 713 00:30:05,201 --> 00:30:07,161 Speaker 1: to attend to the kids next day, you probably have the 714 00:30:07,161 --> 00:30:09,161 Speaker 1: space to have a sleep in, take it slow. But 715 00:30:09,201 --> 00:30:10,841 Speaker 1: if you've got to look after three children, it's like, 716 00:30:11,081 --> 00:30:12,801 Speaker 1: oh is it worth it? Because you know you won't 717 00:30:12,841 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: be you might be a bit more snappy, a bit 718 00:30:14,441 --> 00:30:15,961 Speaker 1: more tired, you won't have the energy to run around 719 00:30:15,961 --> 00:30:18,921 Speaker 1: after them. So it's just evaluating each situation. It's not 720 00:30:18,921 --> 00:30:20,721 Speaker 1: that you're never gonna have coffee or never have a drink, 721 00:30:20,801 --> 00:30:23,361 Speaker 1: like you'll just learn where you've got the capacity to 722 00:30:23,401 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: have it, where it's worth it. How much you can 723 00:30:25,561 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: have as well, like two might be too much, but 724 00:30:28,281 --> 00:30:31,561 Speaker 1: one might be perfect, or the courtin might be force's limit. 725 00:30:31,761 --> 00:30:33,961 Speaker 1: Like Steve, he knows after three he's not going to 726 00:30:34,041 --> 00:30:36,321 Speaker 1: feel great, yes, but he can handle two or three 727 00:30:36,321 --> 00:30:37,641 Speaker 1: and feel pretty good the next day. 728 00:30:37,721 --> 00:30:39,081 Speaker 2: And that's what it says in the book, So the 729 00:30:39,241 --> 00:30:41,361 Speaker 2: very end of it. So she has an acronym for 730 00:30:41,401 --> 00:30:46,001 Speaker 2: each one, dopamine. So the last one is experiment. So 731 00:30:46,081 --> 00:30:49,041 Speaker 2: at the end of your thirty days, test yourself. Yeah, 732 00:30:49,201 --> 00:30:51,641 Speaker 2: try having one, see how you feel, and if you 733 00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,681 Speaker 2: start to go back into your old ways, abstain again 734 00:30:53,681 --> 00:30:56,081 Speaker 2: for thirty days perfair. So she's got all these little 735 00:30:56,081 --> 00:30:58,121 Speaker 2: steps along the way, which is really cool. 736 00:30:58,321 --> 00:30:59,601 Speaker 1: Oh, I need to read this book. 737 00:30:59,761 --> 00:31:03,321 Speaker 2: And coffee, Yeah, I don't think I'll ever have it again. Really, 738 00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:08,041 Speaker 2: isn't that wildt nuh Yeah, So I was pretting to Actually, 739 00:31:08,081 --> 00:31:10,761 Speaker 2: I think the other day somebody accidentally gave me a coffee. 740 00:31:10,841 --> 00:31:13,401 Speaker 2: They did I know it was an actual coffee. I 741 00:31:13,521 --> 00:31:15,201 Speaker 2: felt like I was pinging. 742 00:31:15,361 --> 00:31:18,521 Speaker 1: Oh, what is going on? And not even one shot 743 00:31:18,561 --> 00:31:19,681 Speaker 1: though you reckon it felt like. 744 00:31:19,761 --> 00:31:22,001 Speaker 2: Because I got a medium, so that would be two shots. 745 00:31:22,241 --> 00:31:23,921 Speaker 1: Oh, I felt awful. 746 00:31:23,961 --> 00:31:25,641 Speaker 2: I had to go on a massive brisk walk. I 747 00:31:25,641 --> 00:31:27,361 Speaker 2: had to go to the gym try to move the energy. 748 00:31:27,801 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 2: I felt awful, and also that it was still in 749 00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:31,521 Speaker 2: my system a little bit. 750 00:31:31,641 --> 00:31:33,001 Speaker 3: Now we speak about the timing. 751 00:31:33,481 --> 00:31:35,681 Speaker 2: There is not one part of me that is interested 752 00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: to feel that way again. I know how to affect 753 00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:40,521 Speaker 2: my body, and I think to it highlights it when 754 00:31:40,521 --> 00:31:42,601 Speaker 2: you have a break and you then have that caffeine 755 00:31:42,641 --> 00:31:43,761 Speaker 2: You're like, why. 756 00:31:43,561 --> 00:31:44,321 Speaker 3: The fuck did I do that? 757 00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:46,961 Speaker 1: For some Yeah awful. I love what you said on 758 00:31:47,001 --> 00:31:49,361 Speaker 1: your stories the other day. It was like I love 759 00:31:49,481 --> 00:31:52,521 Speaker 1: myself too much to put myself through that. And it's like, 760 00:31:52,561 --> 00:31:55,441 Speaker 1: when you truly love and respect your body, you want 761 00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:57,921 Speaker 1: to treat it with love and respect. You think about 762 00:31:57,961 --> 00:31:59,481 Speaker 1: the way that Like now we get so parent on 763 00:31:59,561 --> 00:32:01,601 Speaker 1: you're like when our kids it's so healthy and organic, 764 00:32:01,641 --> 00:32:03,241 Speaker 1: and like do I have too much sugar or whatever? 765 00:32:03,281 --> 00:32:05,841 Speaker 1: You just want the healthiest body, Like you should want 766 00:32:05,881 --> 00:32:09,761 Speaker 1: that for yourself. Like you cannot be the best parent 767 00:32:09,881 --> 00:32:12,361 Speaker 1: and the best person and the best at your job 768 00:32:12,601 --> 00:32:14,801 Speaker 1: or achieve your goals if you're not putting your health 769 00:32:14,801 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: as a priority. It is our home. Your body is 770 00:32:16,441 --> 00:32:18,801 Speaker 1: your home. It's the only thing we really have. Over 771 00:32:18,841 --> 00:32:21,561 Speaker 1: the years, you think the span of five, ten, fifteen, 772 00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:25,721 Speaker 1: twenty years, the good habits that adds up, that makes 773 00:32:25,961 --> 00:32:28,361 Speaker 1: huge impact. You might not think like one piece of 774 00:32:28,401 --> 00:32:31,081 Speaker 1: white bread every day makes a difference, but over a 775 00:32:31,081 --> 00:32:33,521 Speaker 1: span of five ten years, if you would swap that 776 00:32:33,561 --> 00:32:37,961 Speaker 1: for a healthier option, that has huge impact. So just 777 00:32:38,121 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: checking in seeing how things are feeling. Getting honest with 778 00:32:41,761 --> 00:32:44,001 Speaker 1: yourself too, because I know a lot of people like, oh, no, cope, 779 00:32:44,001 --> 00:32:46,081 Speaker 1: it doesn't affect me. My body handles it so well, 780 00:32:46,201 --> 00:32:49,001 Speaker 1: or oh it's only one Yeah, I know that you 781 00:32:49,041 --> 00:32:52,681 Speaker 1: handle it so well, exactly exactly, And so many people 782 00:32:52,841 --> 00:32:53,841 Speaker 1: what have you normalized? 783 00:32:53,921 --> 00:32:55,481 Speaker 3: That's it? So many people. 784 00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:57,241 Speaker 2: Want a well regulated nervousism. They don't want to be 785 00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:58,521 Speaker 2: snappy out their kids. They don't want to be this, 786 00:32:58,561 --> 00:33:01,281 Speaker 2: they don't want to be that. It's like, start with you, yes, 787 00:33:01,961 --> 00:33:05,881 Speaker 2: start with you. Take a look the mirror behind choices. Caffeine. 788 00:33:06,281 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: I tell you it will change your life. 789 00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:12,041 Speaker 1: Caffeine, sugar and our cohoal Yeah so bad? 790 00:33:12,201 --> 00:33:14,561 Speaker 3: Yeah balance, uh huh. 791 00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:16,681 Speaker 1: Wow. What an awesome episode. There's going to be so 792 00:33:16,681 --> 00:33:19,081 Speaker 1: many takeaways from that, and like I said, everything that 793 00:33:19,121 --> 00:33:21,841 Speaker 1: we talk about is to help you grow and glow. 794 00:33:21,961 --> 00:33:24,161 Speaker 1: Like it's helped you grow and learn more about yourself 795 00:33:24,161 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: and to come out the other side glowing. But we 796 00:33:26,281 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: have to go through these different situations and experiences and 797 00:33:29,361 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: read more and learn more and experience more to come 798 00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:33,401 Speaker 1: out the other side. That's a part of the journey. 799 00:33:33,521 --> 00:33:37,641 Speaker 1: That is PS. Your life is always moving in the 800 00:33:37,681 --> 00:33:41,761 Speaker 1: direction of your strongest thoughts. I love that. Very relevant, 801 00:33:41,961 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: very relevant, because your strongest thoughts right now are to 802 00:33:45,001 --> 00:33:48,161 Speaker 1: remove addiction, to be healthy, to be aligned, and that's 803 00:33:48,161 --> 00:33:50,161 Speaker 1: where your life is going now, because that's where your 804 00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:52,441 Speaker 1: strongest thoughts are. That's on the forefront of your mind. Yeah, 805 00:33:52,801 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: same girlfriend. 806 00:33:54,521 --> 00:33:55,081 Speaker 3: PS. 807 00:33:55,361 --> 00:33:58,761 Speaker 2: The extra hour of sleep, those healthy meals, that gym 808 00:33:58,841 --> 00:34:01,601 Speaker 2: session you didn't skip, that walk you went on are 809 00:34:01,641 --> 00:34:04,561 Speaker 2: all investments in your future self. And the more of 810 00:34:04,561 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: those since you make, the more your future self will thrive. 811 00:34:08,321 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: My advice invest as often as you can. 812 00:34:11,441 --> 00:34:14,441 Speaker 1: Love it, love it, love it, love it. Thank you 813 00:34:14,601 --> 00:34:16,881 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Guys. We mentioned a few 814 00:34:16,921 --> 00:34:19,721 Speaker 1: episodes ago, but we can actually see how many of 815 00:34:19,761 --> 00:34:22,801 Speaker 1: you have subscribed. 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