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Speaker 1: And starting off right now on the news yesterday that

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Speaker 1: a planned high rise for the Freemason site will go

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Speaker 1: ahead and it's a four hundred million dollar project to

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Speaker 1: be called Keystone Tower, one hundred and eighty three meters tall.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes it a skyscraper now.

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Speaker 1: I suppose there might be some official definition, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it's only marginally taller forty or so meters notable. You

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to fall that much for sure, just forty

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Speaker 1: meters that's enough to do you in. But it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a tall building. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: a skyscraper when you think in Melbourne buildings are three

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Speaker 1: hundred meters plus and certainly a stack over two point fifty.

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Speaker 1: Now they're skyscrapers, but I suppose we might feel that

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Speaker 1: little bit more grown up. Liam Golding, CEO Urban Development

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Speaker 1: Institute of essays, I suppose a welcome development. Nonetheless, Liam,

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Speaker 1: we're getting another big building in Adelaide.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Matthew. It is a welcome development to see

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Speaker 2: approvals for this power coming in. And yeah, I very

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Speaker 2: much do agree that on a global scale, when we're

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Speaker 2: sort of talking about some of the buildings in Dubai

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Speaker 2: which are getting close to the kilometer in height. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel quite like that, but I think it

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Speaker 2: is a good sign for the city once again getting

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Speaker 2: a landmark building that shows that we're growing up. And

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Speaker 2: it gets back to your previous discussion about keeping young

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Speaker 2: people here in South Australia, giving him something to look

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Speaker 2: at as Adelaide being a global city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Now we've had false starts before with big

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Speaker 1: buildings in Adelaide. This one seems to have the funding

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Speaker 1: in place and the Freemanson Freemason seem pretty determined to

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Speaker 1: build it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand that they also are looking for

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Speaker 2: completion before the one hundred year anniversary of their original lodge,

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Speaker 2: so that does put it on a pretty good timeline

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Speaker 2: for getting it delivered pretty quickly. We know Future Urban

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Speaker 2: has done a great job of securing the approval and

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping to see this team to work and economic

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Speaker 2: activity for the state pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: All right, what does it mean ultimately, so something like

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Speaker 1: this gets built, it's going to have mixed use hotel

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Speaker 1: and business use as well. So in terms of business use,

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Speaker 1: we've got so many empty buildings around Adelaide as it

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Speaker 1: is do we really need another building use space that

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Speaker 1: will potentially empty out other buildings.

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Speaker 2: Well, we know that there are times when South Australia's

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Speaker 2: chock four when it comes to hotel rooms gather around

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Speaker 2: another events that come into the city, so we know

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Speaker 2: that the hotel will have a capacity demand that really

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Speaker 2: does help out the city. When it comes to office space,

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Speaker 2: you look at the projects that are coming forward in

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Speaker 2: South Australia and the work that government's doing to try

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Speaker 2: and build new industries in the state, whether it's orchest submarines,

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Speaker 2: hydrogen up North Northern water leading to mine expansions. I

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Speaker 2: think that what we're hoping to see is that a

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Speaker 2: premium building like this is an attractive space for core

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Speaker 2: operations national corporations to be having headquarters here or bringing

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Speaker 2: additional staff into South Australia.

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Speaker 1: And that's certainly something we need, is more headquarters here

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Speaker 1: to bring those jobs, to bring people and as we

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Speaker 1: were talking earlier, to have people stay in the state

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Speaker 1: because there's somewhere for them to work.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, that's what urban development is too. Really wants to

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Speaker 2: see that economic vision of the state supported. But we

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Speaker 2: also know that to support that vision for the state.

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Speaker 2: We need to be getting the infrastructure right for delivering

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Speaker 2: more housing so that we can actually house the workers

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Speaker 2: and also provide that cost of living competitive advantage that

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Speaker 2: South Australia has had for a while. Make sure that

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Speaker 2: we don't lose it because we're in a housing portability crisis.

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Speaker 2: So it's great to see approvals like this coming court,

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Speaker 2: but we also need to see the state government getting

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Speaker 2: on with delivering the infrastructure so that we can get

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Speaker 2: the housing to support our economy even better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Indeed, now this probably isn't one for you so

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Speaker 1: much unless you've got some insights into it. But the

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Speaker 1: Freemason's Lodge out the front, it is a building that

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Speaker 1: it does have some concrete cancer and I suppose some

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Speaker 1: urgent remediation works as part of this construction will have

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Speaker 1: to be undertaken and auderations too, because I imagine to

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Speaker 1: get to the hotel and everything else, you'd go through

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Speaker 1: that grand hall down the bottom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not across all the details there, but what

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Speaker 2: I do know when it comes to buildings which have

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Speaker 2: aged a bit have some character that the state has

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Speaker 2: determined is heritage and is worthy of being retained. Often

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Speaker 2: the best way to do that is to have an

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Speaker 2: economic stimulus happening at the same time. So when you've

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Speaker 2: got the new building happening, it's bringing capital in and

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Speaker 2: it actually allows you to do that remediation work so

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Speaker 2: that you're supporting the heritage and making sure that it

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Speaker 2: buildings which can't have any additional activity, and then they're

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Speaker 2: the ones that we've sort of see going derelict around

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Speaker 2: the city. And that's what we don't want to see.

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Speaker 2: We want to see adaptive reuse which can support the

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Speaker 2: heritage and make sure that it's there for future gener

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Speaker 2: and also leads to new uses which bring more people

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Speaker 2: through it and help them to see the fabric of

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Speaker 2: us day before and look into the future as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and I think we did that really well

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Speaker 1: around what was originally the State Bank building and the

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Speaker 1: RAA today the big tower in Curry Street there and

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Speaker 1: the facades, most of them anyway on Curry Street have

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Speaker 1: been retained and they now open up into what is

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Speaker 1: the ground floor of that tower, the RAA Tower, and

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Speaker 1: done well. I mean, keeping the facades is what it's

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Speaker 1: all about. Ultimately, the I think with the Masonic building.

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Speaker 1: The hall inside is just fantastic for anyone who's stuck

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Speaker 1: their head in to have a look. I was walking

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Speaker 1: by one day the doors were open. I thought I'd

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Speaker 1: take the opportunity. Is just so impressive inside there and

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Speaker 1: being used for a number of arts events of late.

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Speaker 1: So many people probably have been in to have a look.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And Yeah, the more that you have opportunities for

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Speaker 2: giving these new life and bringing people into them, it's

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Speaker 2: a wonderful competitive advantage for our city where there is

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Speaker 2: quite a good heritage fabric that it's good to retain.

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Speaker 2: But there are some things which probably don't really need

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Speaker 2: the heritage listing and they're just an impediment to us

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Speaker 2: bringing more economic activity into the state and keeping people here.

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Speaker 2: Got an example, Ah, not off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to pick a pick out a winner.

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Speaker 2: I'm more interested in seeing projects like this where people

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Speaker 2: have come up with a good plan of how we

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Speaker 2: can build our city, how we can continue to grow

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Speaker 2: up and build more activity into Adelaide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, good on you, Liam, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thanks Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Liam Golding there from the Urban Development Institute CEO and

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Speaker 1: we agree not a skyscraper. I mean it might be league.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there a definition. Does it have

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Speaker 1: to be over one hundred and fifty meters? I did

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Speaker 1: read something about that earlier, about skyscrapers being taller than that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we get excited it's a tall building,

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Speaker 1: it'll be the tallest, and we go, oh, skyscraper in Adelaide. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, thirty seven stories. I'm going to state

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Speaker 1: where I think Melbourne's got a building that's one hundred

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Speaker 1: and something flaws, and so as Queensland. I'm sure, so

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Speaker 1: is Sydney. I mean they're skyscrapers, you know. And Dubai,

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Speaker 1: as William said, kill a meat at all. What's the

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Speaker 1: burge Al Khalife over there? Would it be two hundred?

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Speaker 1: Is that too many flaws? But it'll be a lot

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Speaker 1: be well over one hundred and there it is. I

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Speaker 1: mean they're skyscrapers. So let's let's be closer to the

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Speaker 1: ground here and say it's a tall building because that's

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Speaker 1: what it's going to be, and it'll be the tallest

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Speaker 1: in Adelaide. One sixty three one sixty three. The burg

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Speaker 1: Our Khalifa so there. It is good on you, Tammy,

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Speaker 1: thank you one sixty three. This will have thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: all right, So let's not get excited.