WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 14 May 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:00.720 Lately. 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.080 Welcome the late base. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.639 Thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.680 and Caleb Bond. Well, what happens when you're trying to 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.160 sell a house and you discover the former owner long 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.880 before you, has just become the pope. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.640 Well you've won the lottery. That's what happens. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.400 We'll talk about that and exactly how a couple are 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.760 handling it in just a moment. Plus, when we look 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:29.200 at the papers, Lydia Thorpe set to return to the Greens. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:30.160 That's what the. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.760 Front page of The Australian is going with tomorrow, and 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.680 the Career Mail front page details the secret. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.559 Lives of NRL players. All of that shortly. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.320 But first, parents are furious that an Adelaide childcare center 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:48.960 has advised them preschoolers will be celebrating International Day against Homophobia, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:55.160 biphobia and transphobia. I swear to assume transphobia is a 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.800 massive problem amongst bigoted, narrow minded toddlers. 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.840 Australiaia left into phobia. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.080 Yeah, you are the remay. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:08.959 Against homophobia, by phobia, transphobia and into I don't. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.120 Know what interphobia is. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.880 Well this that's why they have this day for you, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.959 James McPherson, I shouldn't let that fly. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.520 Clearly, preschool has changed a lot since I was there. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.800 Maybe I need to go back learn. Margaret Ives Community 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.800 Children's Center advised parents this week that on Friday, kids 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.680 should come to childcare wearing rainbow colors and they would 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.880 celebrate the gay and transgendered community by, amongst other things, 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:40.360 eating fairy bread. The statement released by St Ives Childcare 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.840 Center read as follows. At Margaret Ives, we work intentionally 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.640 to challenge gender stereotypes and ensure authentic representation of the 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:55.320 many ways people live, love, and form families. Childcare certainly 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:56.480 changed a lot since. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:56.800 I was there. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.639 Our goal is to honor the richness of our diverse, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.760 cohor and broader community. I would have thought the goal 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.840 of childcare was to care for children, but there you go. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.320 We guide children. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.760 They said to understand and value and calbern Liz, I 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:11.960 think that's a key word. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.880 Value. They're pushing a worldview. What are their values? 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.040 Well, that families can take many forms, whether nuclear, single parents, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.880 same sex parents, foster or surrygan parents, blended families. This 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.200 part's got me curious and beyond I'm not sure what's 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:31.800 beyond that long shopping list, Liz. Are they just promoting 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.560 harmless diversity and inclusion or is something else going on? 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:40.480 Well, there's absolutely nothing about harmless about diversity and inclusion 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.440 as we know, the point of this is that they 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.560 also read these books to children. This has been going 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:50.840 on for three years now, and those books include Heather 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.040 Has Two Mummies, Be Exactly who You Are and a 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.160 book called Two Homes. These are three and a half 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.960 year olds these books are read to This is indoctrination, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.839 pure and simple, and parents are rightly outraged. Just take 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.959 your kids out, by the way, because these people aren't 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.280 going to change. Like I say, this is the third 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.000 year in a row that they've done this. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.680 Parents are saying, Wait, isn't. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:23.320 It parents' rights to teach children about sex, sexuality, gender, 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.080 when and where and in whatever manner we choose to 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.520 teach them. Not if you attend this daycare, they're not. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.079 Let's play a game. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.840 If you want to talk to a child that is 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:44.360 not your own about sex, sexuality, gender, I get to 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.360 call you a groomer, plain and simple. That is what 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.600 we used to call people who wanted to talk to 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.040 children about sex, sexuality and gender, because what are you 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:55.600 grooming this child for? 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.880 Is it a heterosexual lifestyle? 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.160 No, you are telling this time tiny mind. You are 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.920 introducing into the little cogs in their mind that wait, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.320 so boy, girl, that's not a binary thing. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:10.760 I thought I knew who I. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.440 Was, But now you're reading me a book called be 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.520 exactly who you are, and it's inferring that I might 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.800 be anything, and so on and so forth. What really 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:26.120 gets me about these stories is not just how incredibly 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:31.560 overt these people are about indoctrinating your babies. These are 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:37.000 so so small still is parents being gun shy of 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.159 standing up to them. In the article today, we read 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.120 that one of the parents was saying, oh, quite a 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.799 few of us parents want to say something, but we're 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.040 scared of backlash. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.160 Who cares. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:55.719 The innocence of your child is beyond precious, and anything 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.680 within your power you can do to protect it you 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.040 are on a bound to do as a parent. Why 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:07.120 would you let these indoctrinating flogs have their way with 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.800 your child's mind? Because, as we know Caleb, children are 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.080 little sponges. They take it all on board, and once 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.960 they're exposed to an idea, there's no one raising it. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.000 Well the shame is. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.560 Part of the design is to make parents feel like 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.840 they don't have an option, that they shouldn't say anything 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.720 because there'll be repercussions for them. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.200 That's half a point, right right. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.599 And you know the book you said, what's it called? 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.839 Be exactly who you are? I mean who you are 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.320 as a three year old, exactly for goodness sake. I mean, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.960 the idea that a child of two, three or four 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.600 gives two hoots about sexuality or race or any other 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.440 thing for that matter, is just nonsense. I mean, they 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.799 go to daycare, they interact with their little mates at daycare. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.960 They don't care what's going on at home or whether 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.800 their mum's a lesbian or like. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.599 The little kids couldn't give a stuff. It doesn't need 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.320 to be introduced to them. But the idea is, of course, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.440 that the earlier you can get someone, the more likely 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.040 you are to be able to convert them to your ideology. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.720 It's the long march through the institutions that the hand 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.720 that rocks the cradle rules the world. And we're going 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.240 with a hundred sayings that illustrate all of this. And 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.160 the purpose now, of course, is to get them as 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.440 young as possible that this day. What do they It's 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.320 called ida hobbit is, which sounds like what you'd say 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.000 if you're a character in the Lord of the Rings, 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.359 I suppose, But it doesn't need to be introduced to 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.680 little kids like that at all. It doesn't enter their heads. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.679 The point is that they are putting it in their heads. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.000 You can't tell me there are three year olds running 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.760 around at daycare who are massively homophobic. They're not even 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.000 aware that it's a thing, and they shouldn't be made 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.680 aware that it's a think because it confuses them. Little 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.440 minds do not have the capacity to deal with these concepts. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.640 They don't understand them, and so you start introducing it 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:57.640 to them and they're like. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.520 Oh, well, my gay. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.440 I mean, they don't know because they're not designed to 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:04.960 know this stuff at that age. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.600 There's a couple of telling statements from the childcare center. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.240 They said in the media they're quote passionate about encouraging 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.360 and nurturing an environment where every child feels safe, scene 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.440 and celebrated for who they are. Of course, it's ridiculous 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:19.840 to think that a three year old needs to be 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.560 celebrated for being gay or a lesbian or trans it's 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.720 just a three year old kid, Like you said, Caleb, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.000 they're not familiar with those concepts. So when they say 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.840 they're passionate about encouraging and nurturing an environment in which kids, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.000 they're passionate about nurturing an environment, not an environment where 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.360 kids feel to be who they are, but in an 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:43.840 environment where kids learn radical gender theory and different sexuality 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.880 ideas that some parents may or may not agree with. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.040 As you said, if you're going to try to recreate 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.640 human sexuality in the understanding of gender, you're not going 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:53.720 to convince any of us. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:54.960 So where do you go. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.560 You go to preschool and you start right there, and 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.520 it'll take your twenty or twenty five years. You're allowed 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.680 to do it, as you said, Liz, by parents who 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.520 were too scared to raise their voices for fear of repercussions. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.040 Then twenty or twenty five years will see the fruit 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:08.240 of this. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.760 And you know what, I'm glad I was born when 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.240 I was because you know, as a kid, I used 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.280 to put on this in an old lady. We can 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.200 get around to pertendo as an old lady, right, And 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.800 I reckon dead set. If you did stuff like that 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.120 at a daycare center. Now they'd be pulling your parents 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.680 aside and saying, oh, you know, have you wondered whether 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.800 or not to little Caleb is transgender or not? Or 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.200 if the boy wants to play with Barbie dolls or 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.640 he puts on a dress in dress ups or something. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.760 They'd start saying, well, there could. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.240 Be something going on here and ignore the fact that. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.120 It's just a little kid, Gloria. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.400 If they pulled the parents aside, you'd be lucky because 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:46.440 people without advice. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.120 Yeah, and me, I was a hardcore tomboy growing up 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.440 in country Victoria. If someone had come along to me 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.360 and introduced the idea into my little brain, have. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.480 You thought about the fact that you might actually be 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.280 a boy? Genuine and lee. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.840 I reckon, I would have absolutely been like, well, hang 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.800 on a minute, you're saying that's possible. I love the motorbikes, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.120 I love the bmxa's, I hate playing with barbies. It 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.439 all makes sense to me, like it is, just you 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.840 cannot quantify the damage that these people are deliberately doing 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.400 to other people's children when they've been entrusted with. Just 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.760 look after them, just make sure they're fed, and you 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.960 sing the ABC's. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.520 For crying out and instead of Liz Storra, we'd have 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.360 Leath Storer, but I think I prefer her as listen. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:32.760 She mentions Victoria. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.200 We'll go over to Victoria for a moment, because of 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.000 course we know it's the People's Socialist Capital. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.920 Republic down there. And constantly you've. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.320 Had all of these statues of Captain Cook for some 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.720 reason or another, being vandalized on Australia Day. I do 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.240 this bit all the time. Captain Cook had nothing to 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.120 do with the first fleet. He was dead nine years 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.400 before they arrived. He came out and mapped the place. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.040 He did not settle it. You are going after the 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.679 wrong person. But never mind, because they they do keep 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.440 going after him, specifically statues and monuments to him. And 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.440 so the Yarra Council in Melbourne now says they're not 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.640 going to put one of these monuments back because it 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.000 keeps being attacked and it's just simply too expensive to 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.000 keep repairing it. It had cost fifteen grand. This happened 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.720 on Australia Day last year. It was toppled and they 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.760 put on it to Cook the colony in red spray painter. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.320 As you can see there. It had cost fifteen grand 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.160 to repair apparently, and they've already spent one hundred odd 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.800 grand over the past twenty five years to maintain it. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.440 And so the council says, well, it's not worth putting 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.160 it back now because it just costs too damn much 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.880 and the vandals are going to come after it again. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.400 So you hand a win to the vandals. You send 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.319 them the message that you can just go around vandalizing, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.000 toppling statues and monuments as well. They just won't be 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.560 there anymore because you've made too much. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.240 Of a nuisance of yourself. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.959 Well, funnily enough, the mayor of the Yarra Council, Stephen Jolly, 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.600 says he's not giving into the van So he said, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.560 I don't think it's a good idea to destroy statues 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.640 of people from the past, but we simply can't afford it. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.360 If we wanted to keep it there permanently, we would 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.080 probably have to have security guards there and more lighting. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.680 I just don't think the locals want that. And sure 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.600 I understand from a fiscal point of view what you 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.360 are trying to say, but you can't tell me that 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.800 this is not a win for the vandals. It's saying 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.880 you get to decide what we celebrate and commemorate in 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.240 this country on the basis of an axe and a 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.000 can of spray paint. And I've made the point before 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:40.000 that if you're going after monuments to the history of 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.319 this country, it's effectively treasonous, right because you are attacking 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.679 the foundations of this country. And we are now at 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.600 a point where councils are saying, oh, well, you know. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:51.640 It's all too hard. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.160 We'll just put the thing in storage somewhere, We'll give 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.320 it to the Captain Cook Society, and it will never 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.920 be seen in public again. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:00.680 It is a win for the vandals. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.640 I mean, this is open season now saying to vandals, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.760 go after every statue and monument you don't like. If 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.520 you attack it enough and it becomes too costly for 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.559 us to fix it, we'll simply. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.360 Take the thing down. That's what they wanted in the 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:15.000 first place. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.520 If you don't have the money to fix it, it's 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.120 pretty easy to solve that problem. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.480 You find the person who. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.640 Vandalized the monument and you invoice them for the repairs. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.880 At the cost of the repairs. It's amazing. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.400 In Victoria, they can find a pregnant woman who makes 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.199 a Facebook post that it's against the government, but they 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.280 can't find these people who, year after year after year 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.640 vandalize these Captain Cook statements. For the mayor Steve and 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.160 Jolly to say we can't afford to fix it, like you, Caleb, 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.400 I would say you can't afford to not fix it, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.040 because to not fix it is to concede that Steve 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.160 and Jolly the mayor is not running the city of Yarra, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.360 but activists are running it. Indeed, I would argue the 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.199 council themselves are activists because I don't think they're short 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.520 of fifteen thousand dollars. They say in their report, as 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.360 well as it being very expensive to fix, the monument 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.400 had little to no significance. They say that the monument 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.200 caused contention in the community, and they say that Captain 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.560 Cook himself was a quote contested figure, all of which 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.800 goes to show the council have very little interest in 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.280 finding any money to repair this. They actually would prefer 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.480 it to be gone. And I think we can expect 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.319 to see a lot more of this right across the country. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.920 Randwick Council here in Sydney took the longest time to 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.280 decide whether or not they would repair their Captain Cook statue. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.160 They've decided to repair it, but they were dilly deallying 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.439 for a while, thinking, ah, is it worth the cost? 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.600 And I expect this will set a precedent. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.320 The city of Yarra not repairing it and letting it 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.520 go will encourage every activist around the country and every 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.719 activist council will follow their lead and say, you know what, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.520 it's just better not to have these things history. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.960 And if Randwick was tossing up whether to repair it 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.480 this time, what do you think they're going to do 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.920 next time? They're going to be like, look, we repaired 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.760 it last time, it's happened again. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.760 We've got to call it. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.360 Quit what I'm a city councilor, though I do sympathize, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.800 I don't think it's legitimate in the case of Yarra's 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.319 here because, like we say, fifteen thousand dollars is. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:10.920 A paltry sum. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.080 Trust me, when you're a city councilor that is pocket change, 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:15.680 not even. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.200 But you've got to weigh up what are rate payers 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:21.640 willing to pay for this thing? 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.480 So if it's a larger monument, as in the case 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.680 of Randwick, the cost is greater. How many times are 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.840 rate payers willing to be like, yep, keep dipping into 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.160 our weight. We really really want that monument, We really 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.560 want that statue, We really want that memorial in our 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.720 park or wherever it may be situated. And that is 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.160 where the council does have to come to grips with, Okay, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.120 are we going to keep this up year in year out? 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.680 If they do, it's going to be extremely costly. And 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.800 if they don't, as you say, kayleb, we simply won't 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:55.560 have any of them. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.520 But the question, though, is not do you want the monument. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.160 The question is do you want law and order? 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.880 No? No, no, no, because as you just argued, they don't want the monument. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.680 So it is very important because the imperative is on 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.880 the council and whether they want it or not, that's 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.120 where the rubber hits the road. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.480 That's where the buck stops. That's where it gets re erected. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.160 Fifty times or it gets pushed over twice and they're like, oh, sorry, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.760 fifteen thousand dollars can possibly justify that it's got to go. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.600 So the political will actually is extremely important. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.760 It's fifteen grand right, So if we say, well, we're 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.360 going to have to do it every year. There would 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.280 be more than fifteen thousand properties in the Yarra Council. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.120 So just take one dollar off everyone's rates bill and 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.640 put it aside to repair the monument. Just say, well, 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.720 it's budgeted, We've budgeted for that. That's what we have 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.800 to do. It's one dollar per property to make it 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.400 saying you just do it, Just. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.320 Do it, and they don't have it, just do it. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:57.040 So it comes down to is this important to you? 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.560 Is this a value? Clearly not if you're living in 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.760 Yarra in the city of Melbourne. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.480 To an absolutely bizarre story. Now and if you. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:10.480 Want to listen up, if you're with Combank, want to 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.880 be aware of this. They've sent this email out to 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.920 goodness knows how many thousands, perhaps millions of people with Combank. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.680 It seems fairly innocuous at first. It's called know your 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.320 Customer and they just want to know more details about you. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.720 Have a check in the pulsey, see what you're after. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.240 You're happy with our service, but read the fine print 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.000 and you will be absolutely disgusted. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.280 As was Lewis Christopher. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.000 He's the founder of a respected property research firm and 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.720 upon reading this email, it was so invasive. He thought 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.640 to himself, this has got to be a scam. This 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.520 cannot be legitimate. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.360 The questions that they're asking me. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.080 He calls up the bank and to his utter disgust, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.000 he said, this thing's all Wellian. They said, no, no, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:06.720 it's legitimately from us. Particularly, they wanted to know why 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.159 he had cash, because they knew that he'd made with drawals. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.639 What are you doing with that cash? Why do you 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:17.480 have cash in your home? He says. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.560 What I have just gone through this morning with CBA 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:21.919 is disgusting. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:23.760 This is him telling the media about it. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.520 He said, it's absolutely despicable or welly and stuff driven 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:32.120 by Ostrack. Ostrack, for your information, is a financial intelligence 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.000 agency that should worry you straight off the bat, he said, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.159 just out of the blue, the bank sent me the 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.879 enclosed email and demanded to know one how have I 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:42.959 built up my wealth? 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:43.600 Two? 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.879 Why have I made cash withdrawals? Three? If I am 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.439 holding cash at home? Why? 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:49.760 Four? 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:55.320 Why did I make certain transactions to third parties? He said. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:56.960 I called the bank and it was true. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.680 They were going to suspend all my account this week 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.280 if I didn't tell them. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.359 The answers to the above questions. 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.679 They said Ostrak gave them the authority to do that 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.200 and get this pull. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.400 Out from their email. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.000 This is what they were threatening to do if he 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.200 didn't answer those questions satisfactorily by end of week. 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.840 This is the email from Combank. They threatened to remove 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.280 your ability to use. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.960 And access your account or accounts, remove your ability to 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.600 use any linked cards, including at ATMs, at point of 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:36.720 sales and online, remove your ability to view and access 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:41.600 your account or accounts on netbank and the Combank app. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:47.280 And stop any scheduled transactions, direct debits, direct credits or 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.320 regular payments. This, of course is all part of the 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:56.280 push toward digital currency, digital banking. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.040 Now did anyone vote for this? 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.360 No, baby, But they want you to go digital and 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:06.520 they're not asking. Remember just last financial year we saw 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.359 two hundred bank outlets clothes. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:11.840 Here in Australia. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.280 Over the past five years, we saw six thousand ATMs 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:21.160 shut up shop in Australia. That is, in just five years, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:26.280 we saw Australia's one third of bank branches close. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.560 That's what that equates to, and more than half of 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.200 Australia's ATMs. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.760 What is happening, not just this massive breach of privacy, 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.600 but these people's refusal to understand that cash is still 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.000 very important to people. But of course the authorities don't 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.040 like that because they don't know how you're spending your money, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.439 when you're spending your money, where you are when you 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.760 spent that money, or why you've spent that money. They're 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.480 completely in the dark. They don't like it, and they're 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.720 clamping down so hard. The bank has no shame sending 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.480 you an email saying you've made them withdrawals? Where is 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.920 that cash? What are you doing with it? 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.320 Is it at home? Why is it at home? 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.600 Here was this fellow Lewis Christopher talking to Ross Greenwood 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.800 this afternoon on Business Now when. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:22.600 They went into demanding to know what I'm doing with cash? 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.320 Have I got cash at home? 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:25.440 Have you got cash at home? 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.480 Like everybody else has a bit of cash at home? 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.880 That's right, And then to ask why I've got cash 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.680