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Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode here in season sixteen, Off the Clink,

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Speaker 4: Real Stories of Redemption. Today's guest is an Australian legend.

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Speaker 4: He's been at the top of the game and he's

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Speaker 4: also hit rock bottom and came back fighting. I can

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Speaker 4: tell you now this man is someone who I have

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Speaker 4: looked forward to interviewing. He has a great story of

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Speaker 4: redemption and today you will hear it yourself. First of all,

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Speaker 4: further ado. This man is a legend in Australia. He's

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Speaker 4: a fantastic fifth well family, his whole family, basically a

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Speaker 4: very well known Michael Catsiitis.

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Speaker 5: Welcome today, Welcome to the clink.

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Speaker 6: Mate, Yeah, pleasure mate, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Well, what a journey you have had and look, I

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Speaker 4: can't wait to get into your story and give it

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Speaker 4: to our listeners today because it is one that has

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Speaker 4: so many lessons in it. From being at the top

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Speaker 4: of your game, being a fighter, literally you a man

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Speaker 4: with a massive heart. You've experienced some terrible lows and

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Speaker 4: losses within your life and family which have been absolutely traumatic.

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Speaker 4: But here you are today, you know, making meends within

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Speaker 4: wanting the best for everybody around you, and also being

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Speaker 4: the best you can be. Mate, how's it feel starting

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Speaker 4: you're a free man at the moment?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, yeah, free, living life, loving it.

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Speaker 5: How good is that?

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Speaker 4: As someone who understands after many many, many, many many

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Speaker 6: No, it's not really like you know, sometimes you know,

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Speaker 6: you have to lose everything to really realize where you're

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Speaker 6: You know, like in life, I think a lot of

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Speaker 6: people take things for granted, you know, and if you think,

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Speaker 6: you know, it can't get worse, well it actually can.

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Speaker 6: It's not until you hit that rock bottom. Then you

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Speaker 6: you know, you have a few lessons to learn, life

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Speaker 6: lessons about yourself and who you actually are, you know,

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Speaker 6: and it's a soul searching mission that you know you

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Speaker 4: I have to agree with exactly what you just said

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Speaker 4: then and every word, and it's something that I've also

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Speaker 5: That was where I'd had enough.

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Speaker 4: That was the last of you know, basically fourteen years

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Speaker 4: I've in and out of boys' homes in jail, and

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Speaker 4: you know, you really do sit there and say to yourself,

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Speaker 4: either it's we get it together and I start to

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Speaker 4: Or it's death or jail, because they're the only two options.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like that sounds similar to something that I hear

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Speaker 4: And for those that don't know much about you, let's

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Speaker 6: Yes, so yeah, so I grew up in Timber and

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Speaker 6: Like he just aspired, you know, to be something and

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Speaker 6: Right at the beginning, right at the beginning here was amazing,

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Speaker 5: To it's the only way to describe. Their hearts are pure.

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Speaker 6: And not only did I just do that, I ate good,

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Speaker 4: And what you did do was cement a fantastic pathway

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a foundation thing, you know,

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Speaker 5: I relate to it one million percent.

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Speaker 6: Brother, it's yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, and just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 4: The thing is, you know, it's never an easy journey,

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, Look the different ways you can think about,

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Speaker 6: I'm an untouchable mate, Like I'm bloody, I'm on fire right,

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Speaker 6: So no one, no one wanted to go near me

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Speaker 6: You know. I built it up, built it up. Watched

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Speaker 6: Floyd Mayweather waited in seven hundred grams heavyer for that fight,

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Speaker 6: three weeks. My brother's racing in a favorite, the Melbourne

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00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,041
Speaker 6: Cup in one week's time. I'm fighting one and your

431
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 6: Markers in three weeks time. And then I get a

432
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,161
Speaker 6: phone call from my trainer one morning, Mick, don't nancy

433
00:20:59,241 --> 00:21:01,321
Speaker 6: your phone, get on your motorbike, can meet me at

434
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:05,321
Speaker 6: the gym. So okay, fuck rightio. So I've got on

435
00:21:05,321 --> 00:21:07,521
Speaker 6: my motorbike and I've wrote him, met him at this

436
00:21:07,561 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 6: little gym in Thailand. And then do you think at

437
00:21:10,441 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 6: that stage that it was more to do I knew someone,

438
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,321
Speaker 6: I knew someone died. I knew someone died, and I said,

439
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,521
Speaker 6: someone's died, haven't they? And he said, yeah, at your brother.

440
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,721
Speaker 6: You know, the night before that fight, night before that

441
00:21:23,761 --> 00:21:26,561
Speaker 6: he died. Me and him had the best conversation, like

442
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 6: the longest conversation about how you know he's going to

443
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,321
Speaker 6: win the Melbourne Cup. I'm going to beat one, and

444
00:21:32,441 --> 00:21:34,041
Speaker 6: your marque is, we're going to get our kids, we're

445
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 6: going to meet together and you know, and you know,

446
00:21:39,521 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 6: to have that conversation with someone before they die, it's like,

447
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,281
Speaker 6: you know, you just feel like they're with you. I've

448
00:21:46,281 --> 00:21:50,441
Speaker 6: had some crazy experiences, you know, with my brother. Now

449
00:21:50,481 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 6: I'll get into that at another point in time, you know,

450
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 6: like after his passing and how he's always been with me.

451
00:21:56,201 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 6: It's it's phenomenal. But you know, I had a decision,

452
00:22:00,281 --> 00:22:02,281
Speaker 6: do I fight the powerful, bound best fighter in the

453
00:22:02,281 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 6: world three weeks later, or do I go back to

454
00:22:04,441 --> 00:22:08,761
Speaker 6: Australia and go to his funeral? And I said to myself,

455
00:22:09,201 --> 00:22:11,441
Speaker 6: what did what would a start he wanted to do?

456
00:22:11,761 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 6: And I did what I thought he would have wanted

457
00:22:14,681 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 6: me to do, and Funk almost got it made. I

458
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,761
Speaker 6: dropped him and put him on his arse in round

459
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Speaker 6: three and I heard the commentators and he's thinking of

460
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Speaker 6: his brother, you know, and I hesitated for the first

461
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Speaker 6: time in my life. I let the guy after chain.

462
00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 6: You know, he come back and hit me in the

463
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Speaker 6: throat round nine and and you know he won the fight.

464
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Speaker 6: They stopped it in his favor. Look, it's you know,

465
00:22:35,001 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 6: we'd be having a different conversation today. But you know,

466
00:22:37,961 --> 00:22:41,481
Speaker 6: what's happened happened. You know, that's and you know, that's life.

467
00:22:41,521 --> 00:22:44,001
Speaker 6: I have to move on from that and moving forward.

468
00:22:44,041 --> 00:22:45,761
Speaker 6: But you know what doesn't cur you makes you stronger.

469
00:22:45,801 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 6: It's like, what's happened was meant to happen, you know,

470
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Speaker 6: it was.

471
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Speaker 4: I think the way that you do look and I

472
00:22:52,561 --> 00:22:56,001
Speaker 4: just speaking of brothers and passings. You know, you look

473
00:22:56,001 --> 00:22:59,561
Speaker 4: at blokes like mcfenning for example. Yeah, a world champion

474
00:22:59,681 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 4: surfer who gets a phone call. He's at pipeline. You know,

475
00:23:04,681 --> 00:23:06,801
Speaker 4: your brother has just passed, and his decision was like,

476
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,881
Speaker 4: yours do I paddle out?

477
00:23:08,201 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 5: Do? What do I do? He paddled out and surved

478
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,161
Speaker 5: a great heat.

479
00:23:13,481 --> 00:23:17,201
Speaker 4: You know, like he's now lost all these brothers sadly,

480
00:23:18,521 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 4: you know, and guys like yourselves that you know to

481
00:23:21,761 --> 00:23:24,521
Speaker 4: stay there in that moment, to keep your head in

482
00:23:24,561 --> 00:23:26,121
Speaker 4: the game for another three weeks.

483
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:31,041
Speaker 5: Knowing that your brothers passed. It shows the fight and

484
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,001
Speaker 5: you and the character of men that you are applaud.

485
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 6: That's who he does. There's differently, forget the win or.

486
00:23:38,241 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 5: The loss of the greatest fight of your tea.

487
00:23:40,521 --> 00:23:43,041
Speaker 4: It's yeah, the fight was for you to get to

488
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,801
Speaker 4: the fight as far as I can.

489
00:23:45,321 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sitting side sight of course, of course

490
00:23:48,681 --> 00:23:50,281
Speaker 5: that's the fight, and you won that.

491
00:23:51,001 --> 00:23:54,561
Speaker 6: Hindsight is such a wonderful thing, you know, like you know,

492
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,001
Speaker 6: I thought, I said to myself, what would have start

493
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,001
Speaker 6: you wanted? But you know what, like when you're on

494
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,121
Speaker 6: an aeroplane and the planes going down, they always say,

495
00:24:02,801 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 6: fix your air respirator before you fix the child, because

496
00:24:06,321 --> 00:24:09,041
Speaker 6: like you can't fix the child's you know, if you're

497
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,161
Speaker 6: if you're if you're struggling for yourself, so you need

498
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 6: to fix yourself. So what would a start you want

499
00:24:13,441 --> 00:24:15,761
Speaker 6: to Look, I'm the one alive, I'm the one living

500
00:24:15,761 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 6: a life. I needed to grieve. Okay, that's that's me

501
00:24:19,041 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 6: thinking now, like I needed to grieve. That's that that's

502
00:24:21,761 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 6: but I was thinking about someone who wasn't even president

503
00:24:24,681 --> 00:24:27,001
Speaker 6: in this world at the moment. What a start you

504
00:24:27,041 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 6: want to get? It's all admirable, admirable in that, Like,

505
00:24:29,241 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, it's it's just the ego.

506
00:24:32,241 --> 00:24:34,681
Speaker 6: It's look, it's it's it's just the ego. And as

507
00:24:34,681 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 6: honorable as people might say that I did what my

508
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 6: brother want want to look, I wasn't serving me and

509
00:24:40,241 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 6: therefore I wasn't really serving the people that looked up

510
00:24:43,441 --> 00:24:46,001
Speaker 6: to me in my career, and and the and how

511
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 6: I would then how then that that would affect me

512
00:24:49,441 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 6: for the rest of my life. And the greatest lesson

513
00:24:51,441 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 6: I can tell you this is a procrastination prolongs pain.

514
00:24:55,001 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 6: So my brother died. Deal with the trauma, go back,

515
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,801
Speaker 6: deal with the trauma, have a break, talk to your family,

516
00:25:02,041 --> 00:25:05,041
Speaker 6: spend time. See you account so I see a psychologist. Whatever.

517
00:25:05,721 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 6: Don't turn to drugs, don't turn to alcohol, don't do

518
00:25:08,961 --> 00:25:11,001
Speaker 6: whatever you can to block of a life. Because I

519
00:25:11,041 --> 00:25:13,881
Speaker 6: lost the next four fights after that straight and and

520
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 6: then then then I was just living in this world

521
00:25:16,201 --> 00:25:19,201
Speaker 6: of like what can I do to please Michael, because

522
00:25:19,241 --> 00:25:22,121
Speaker 6: Michael Michael, Michael, Michael Michael, I've become a very selfish

523
00:25:22,201 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 6: human being, and and and you know, and you know,

524
00:25:24,681 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 6: until I actually got locked up for two years in

525
00:25:26,921 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 6: the can and I had the time to think to myself,

526
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,961
Speaker 6: I was like I was walking around in the cloud

527
00:25:30,961 --> 00:25:32,801
Speaker 6: of smoke. I did I didn't. I was looking back

528
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 6: at conversations that I had years ago. I was like,

529
00:25:35,281 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 6: fuck me, no, wonder this flake pulled away from me,

530
00:25:38,001 --> 00:25:40,521
Speaker 6: Like I really did lose my weight, I lost my

531
00:25:40,561 --> 00:25:44,441
Speaker 6: way and it's just and it's just it's just it's

532
00:25:44,481 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 6: just just like momentum just kept them rolling. Like I

533
00:25:46,761 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 6: was an avalanche, and I just kept them falling deeper

534
00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: and deeper and deeper. And I had all the warning

535
00:25:50,521 --> 00:25:54,761
Speaker 6: signs in the world. You know, get on the right path, Michael,

536
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:56,201
Speaker 6: get on the right path. And I said, right out,

537
00:25:56,241 --> 00:26:00,041
Speaker 6: and you know that, my own intuition, my smart said okay, Mick, kay,

538
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 6: start doing this. Starts speaking of psychologists, start pulling your

539
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 6: head in. There's no shortcuts in life. You know that

540
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,801
Speaker 6: you've done fighting. You know, fighting is like life. You

541
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 6: got to do the right thing. I knew all that,

542
00:26:09,961 --> 00:26:12,481
Speaker 6: but I didn't listen. Nothing was I was going to

543
00:26:12,521 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 6: teach me. So I had to learn the hard way.

544
00:26:14,801 --> 00:26:15,961
Speaker 6: So that's what I've done.

545
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:18,401
Speaker 4: You talk about a cloud of smoke, I mean that's

546
00:26:18,441 --> 00:26:21,761
Speaker 4: literally what brought you down initially, a cloud of smoke.

547
00:26:23,281 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 5: You know, how how did that come about to be?

548
00:26:27,561 --> 00:26:34,281
Speaker 4: Even this committed boxer that was just focused on discipline

549
00:26:34,681 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 4: and the drive to be the best in the world

550
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: too succumbing to something that we all know is just

551
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,561
Speaker 4: highly addictive and detrimental to the world as well as yourself.

552
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,041
Speaker 6: Beyond no clarity at all, Just like when I speak

553
00:26:50,041 --> 00:26:53,041
Speaker 6: about a cloud of smoke, like I couldn't see past

554
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,801
Speaker 6: my own two feet to see what was going on

555
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,281
Speaker 6: in front of me, like like, you know, whatever I

556
00:26:57,321 --> 00:27:00,801
Speaker 6: could do to mask my pain. I was so selfish

557
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,561
Speaker 6: a naive to think it's going to be okay if

558
00:27:02,561 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 6: I can just do this, or just do this or

559
00:27:04,761 --> 00:27:07,761
Speaker 6: just do that, and then everything become about shortcuts, trying

560
00:27:07,761 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 6: to take the easy road. I already knew that it

561
00:27:09,681 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 6: wasn't the right way. Like I pray every night to

562
00:27:12,281 --> 00:27:15,041
Speaker 6: God for clarity. You know, whether whether you believe in

563
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 6: God or the higher power of the or Muhammad is

564
00:27:19,001 --> 00:27:21,801
Speaker 6: whatever you believe in the Buddha. Like if you have

565
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 6: a belief in a higher power, there's so much to

566
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,801
Speaker 6: the human soul that you know that's yet to be discovered.

567
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,161
Speaker 6: As there's like ten thousand religions out there, which ones

568
00:27:29,521 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 6: run take your pick. Just just know that there is

569
00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 6: a higher power. I really do believe that, mate. Yeah,

570
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,481
Speaker 6: and totally pray every I play. I pray every night.

571
00:27:38,801 --> 00:27:41,681
Speaker 6: You know, you know that I can find clarity. It's

572
00:27:41,681 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 6: just one thing that you're asking for, Like, Okay, I

573
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 6: don't know ask for like you know what am I

574
00:27:46,001 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 6: looking for? Well, then ask for clarity. You know, I

575
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,681
Speaker 6: want clarity because I've spent like a lot a lot

576
00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 6: of my life not having clarity and you know, and

577
00:27:53,721 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 6: just been able to know which and what, how, where

578
00:27:57,201 --> 00:27:59,841
Speaker 6: what you know and you know, and it's all slowly

579
00:27:59,921 --> 00:28:00,561
Speaker 6: coming together.

580
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,161
Speaker 4: You're never too late. But let's go back to that

581
00:28:05,241 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: time where it all sort of started to flip for you,

582
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,281
Speaker 4: your brother's past. You've just lost that massive fight and opportunity.

583
00:28:13,041 --> 00:28:16,761
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you weren't yourself, You weren't in any

584
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,841
Speaker 4: mental state that was positive and good. Was it at

585
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,241
Speaker 4: that stage that you decided to start to mask it

586
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 4: with drugs or had you dabbled prior to that, and

587
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 4: it just became the problem after that?

588
00:28:30,481 --> 00:28:33,481
Speaker 6: Yeah, So like you know, it's just like the party saying,

589
00:28:33,521 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 6: you know, like you know, I'd find myself off at

590
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,761
Speaker 6: Sports Harbor having a drink and they're drinking with lead

591
00:28:38,881 --> 00:28:41,761
Speaker 6: other things, and it's just you know, it's it's it's

592
00:28:41,881 --> 00:28:44,481
Speaker 6: that's where it's because obviously, like drinking is a social

593
00:28:44,601 --> 00:28:47,281
Speaker 6: acceptable thing, you know, so then you're doing that and

594
00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:49,321
Speaker 6: then goes on to something else and something else. You know,

595
00:28:49,401 --> 00:28:52,761
Speaker 6: it's just it's it's. It doesn't it doesn't matter what

596
00:28:53,161 --> 00:28:55,041
Speaker 6: drug or anything like that. It's just the way of

597
00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:58,241
Speaker 6: masking like alcohol is a drug, and that's the gateway,

598
00:28:58,281 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 6: you know, because the social acceptable thing to do, and

599
00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:03,841
Speaker 6: that that's how it would start, you know, Like maybe

600
00:29:03,881 --> 00:29:07,281
Speaker 6: you like to like maybe like doing you drinking out,

601
00:29:07,761 --> 00:29:10,601
Speaker 6: maybe like having mine a cake. It's everybody's different.

602
00:29:11,121 --> 00:29:13,161
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe that was my thing. If I drank, I

603
00:29:13,361 --> 00:29:13,641
Speaker 5: have a.

604
00:29:13,601 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 6: Bag simples like poison.

605
00:29:15,801 --> 00:29:18,801
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't like drinking because and so for me,

606
00:29:18,881 --> 00:29:20,041
Speaker 4: it's either you do or you don't.

607
00:29:20,041 --> 00:29:21,801
Speaker 5: There's no in betweens. It's not one. I'll just have

608
00:29:21,841 --> 00:29:24,321
Speaker 5: a couple if I'm on a mine. It's as simple

609
00:29:24,321 --> 00:29:24,681
Speaker 5: as that.

610
00:29:24,761 --> 00:29:28,481
Speaker 6: It's just one, one too many on one too many,

611
00:29:28,481 --> 00:29:34,081
Speaker 6: a thousands, never enough, you know, one drink, yeah mate.

612
00:29:34,641 --> 00:29:37,921
Speaker 5: It's never like three days later. Yeah, I've got a

613
00:29:37,921 --> 00:29:41,041
Speaker 5: buddy that will reach out mates in the week. Just

614
00:29:41,041 --> 00:29:43,761
Speaker 5: a couple of quiet ones. Are you fucking kidding? You know?

615
00:29:43,881 --> 00:29:47,081
Speaker 4: You know what I'm like, there's no couple of quotems.

616
00:29:47,121 --> 00:29:49,561
Speaker 4: If I'm going, I'm going on with it. So yeah,

617
00:29:49,601 --> 00:29:52,881
Speaker 4: I try to find that greater purpose of I've got

618
00:29:52,881 --> 00:29:55,081
Speaker 4: the kids sports Saturday, you know, I've got to do

619
00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:58,321
Speaker 4: with my podcast Sunday. I like doing my podcast recording

620
00:29:58,321 --> 00:29:59,881
Speaker 4: on this today because I've got to be clear, I've

621
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,161
Speaker 4: got to have that head I find, I've got to

622
00:30:02,201 --> 00:30:08,401
Speaker 4: have purpose. And obviously you know, well I mean yeah, well,

623
00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:10,801
Speaker 4: I mean I've I've had addiction, simple as that. Let's

624
00:30:10,841 --> 00:30:12,961
Speaker 4: be honest. I've loved the piece. I've loved the coke,

625
00:30:13,041 --> 00:30:16,321
Speaker 4: I love the opiates. When I was going through my

626
00:30:16,361 --> 00:30:21,241
Speaker 4: pains and operations, I did, you know, yeah, why deny.

627
00:30:21,561 --> 00:30:26,881
Speaker 4: But that decision of making better choices, and I think

628
00:30:26,921 --> 00:30:29,681
Speaker 4: filling your life up with good things and things that

629
00:30:29,841 --> 00:30:33,641
Speaker 4: keep your mind occupied in a positive way is a

630
00:30:33,641 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: good starts. What's your way of you know, finding that

631
00:30:37,841 --> 00:30:40,641
Speaker 4: daily routine and making sure that you don't put yourself

632
00:30:40,641 --> 00:30:41,881
Speaker 4: in harm's way.

633
00:30:42,041 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So look, routine very important, you know, and

634
00:30:48,761 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 6: you can only deal with with with what you've got

635
00:30:51,281 --> 00:30:54,321
Speaker 6: at the time. So you know, it's just if it's

636
00:30:54,361 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 6: just small steps at the time, it's fine, like little steps,

637
00:30:57,241 --> 00:30:59,121
Speaker 6: you know. And I like to look at it like this.

638
00:30:59,361 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 6: As long as I'm getting three training training sessions in

639
00:31:02,761 --> 00:31:04,801
Speaker 6: a week, you know, I keep pretty active during the

640
00:31:04,841 --> 00:31:08,521
Speaker 6: day time. Look, I'm working every day. I've got time

641
00:31:08,601 --> 00:31:11,041
Speaker 6: that I need to allocate to different things. Like you know,

642
00:31:11,081 --> 00:31:14,801
Speaker 6: I've got a company of PC Flooring, you know, you know,

643
00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:17,241
Speaker 6: it's just so you know, we're bringing over SPC Flooring

644
00:31:17,281 --> 00:31:20,841
Speaker 6: and SBC Walling. You know, it's just I've you know,

645
00:31:21,441 --> 00:31:23,521
Speaker 6: with my new state of mind and my new aspiration

646
00:31:23,601 --> 00:31:26,121
Speaker 6: for life, Like I've reached out and I'm networking, and

647
00:31:26,441 --> 00:31:30,681
Speaker 6: my business partner in the flooring company is out there.

648
00:31:30,721 --> 00:31:33,081
Speaker 6: He's going over the career, he's going over to China.

649
00:31:34,241 --> 00:31:36,401
Speaker 6: He's making moves. You know. That's that side of things.

650
00:31:36,601 --> 00:31:38,521
Speaker 6: You know, the other side of things is like I'm

651
00:31:38,561 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 6: taking all the lessons that I've learned in life and

652
00:31:40,441 --> 00:31:43,161
Speaker 6: I'm and I'm creating you know, the casters great in

653
00:31:43,161 --> 00:31:46,401
Speaker 6: the school where where I'm doing training modules. I'll get

654
00:31:46,441 --> 00:31:50,641
Speaker 6: all this out on my Instagram. Michael CATSI this and

655
00:31:51,921 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 6: like I'm actually able to document all of my life's

656
00:31:55,801 --> 00:32:00,001
Speaker 6: learnings on video, so so just recorded. Also, I can

657
00:32:00,041 --> 00:32:02,441
Speaker 6: pass on my knowledge to a lot of people, and

658
00:32:02,641 --> 00:32:04,641
Speaker 6: you know, a lot you know, it's hard for me

659
00:32:04,721 --> 00:32:06,361
Speaker 6: being a fighter, and look, I've been a fight in

660
00:32:06,361 --> 00:32:08,041
Speaker 6: my whole life. You know, I've had over one hundred

661
00:32:08,841 --> 00:32:10,881
Speaker 6: I've had well over one hundred fights, and you know,

662
00:32:11,081 --> 00:32:13,041
Speaker 6: and just you know, if I was to say that

663
00:32:14,681 --> 00:32:16,801
Speaker 6: it doesn't work like that. So I'm very fortunate. I've

664
00:32:16,801 --> 00:32:19,601
Speaker 6: got like Marty. He helps me put things together and

665
00:32:19,681 --> 00:32:21,601
Speaker 6: you delegate the work to the right people. So my

666
00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:24,761
Speaker 6: business partners. But my business partner's good at business, you know,

667
00:32:24,881 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 6: Marty's good at you know, are going together, you know,

668
00:32:27,681 --> 00:32:30,481
Speaker 6: with this with this greatness school, and you know, passing

669
00:32:30,521 --> 00:32:33,961
Speaker 6: on my knowledge, you know, And and that's that's that's

670
00:32:34,001 --> 00:32:36,041
Speaker 6: working for me at the moment. And I'm just working

671
00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:39,241
Speaker 6: every day as well, just doing a normal, normal work

672
00:32:39,281 --> 00:32:42,401
Speaker 6: with Ustum. I'm raising houses, I'm releveling houses.

673
00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 5: You know.

674
00:32:43,081 --> 00:32:45,761
Speaker 6: Tomorrow, go away to work for a week, you know,

675
00:32:45,881 --> 00:32:47,681
Speaker 6: and like I'm fortunate, I'll go to work and I'll

676
00:32:47,681 --> 00:32:49,601
Speaker 6: pop into a gym then and they'll see some young

677
00:32:49,641 --> 00:32:51,521
Speaker 6: kids and I'll go, hey, guys, have I got a

678
00:32:51,561 --> 00:32:53,521
Speaker 6: story to tell you? You know, if they want to

679
00:32:53,521 --> 00:32:55,321
Speaker 6: hear it, they want to hear it, because I know

680
00:32:55,521 --> 00:32:58,281
Speaker 6: myself as a fighter, if someone walked in the gym

681
00:32:58,281 --> 00:33:00,841
Speaker 6: and they like, I'd be hanging off every bloody word

682
00:33:00,881 --> 00:33:04,641
Speaker 6: that they said, hundred percent. There's a lot to learn.

683
00:33:05,241 --> 00:33:06,201
Speaker 5: It's never too late.

684
00:33:06,241 --> 00:33:08,521
Speaker 4: And you know, this is the beautiful thing about redemption

685
00:33:08,681 --> 00:33:11,361
Speaker 4: is we can always come back. You know, we don't

686
00:33:11,441 --> 00:33:14,841
Speaker 4: ever have to sit in that space. Everybody's going to

687
00:33:14,881 --> 00:33:17,801
Speaker 4: make mistakes. People relapse. People, some of the greatest people,

688
00:33:17,921 --> 00:33:21,441
Speaker 4: millionaires have been bankrupt more than three times, four times over.

689
00:33:22,121 --> 00:33:25,681
Speaker 4: People have come out of addiction and relapsed and put

690
00:33:25,681 --> 00:33:27,361
Speaker 4: their hand up and gone. It's like a game of

691
00:33:27,441 --> 00:33:29,361
Speaker 4: rugby league. You're out there, you're playing and you know

692
00:33:29,361 --> 00:33:31,081
Speaker 4: you're in your position. Next minute you get.

693
00:33:30,961 --> 00:33:32,721
Speaker 5: Past the ball, you drop the ball, you knock the

694
00:33:32,721 --> 00:33:33,041
Speaker 5: ball on.

695
00:33:33,121 --> 00:33:34,921
Speaker 4: What do you do? You put your hand up. It

696
00:33:35,041 --> 00:33:39,001
Speaker 4: was me and forgotten, moved on. We pick ourselves up

697
00:33:39,081 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: and we carry on. That's life in every day. You know,

698
00:33:44,281 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: I have a new business that after four years of

699
00:33:47,801 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: ship and you know, I'm not at the end of

700
00:33:49,241 --> 00:33:52,001
Speaker 4: it yet, but I've still got, you know, a gap

701
00:33:52,041 --> 00:33:53,921
Speaker 4: where I go, well, I have to be here today.

702
00:33:53,961 --> 00:33:55,361
Speaker 5: I have to be present for my children.

703
00:33:55,361 --> 00:33:56,921
Speaker 4: I have to be the best father I can be,

704
00:33:57,081 --> 00:33:59,081
Speaker 4: and I've got to I've got to continue on my

705
00:33:59,241 --> 00:34:02,681
Speaker 4: journey and as you said, building my empire for me,

706
00:34:02,801 --> 00:34:05,521
Speaker 4: I think that's that's a really important thing. And for

707
00:34:05,561 --> 00:34:08,721
Speaker 4: those that are listening today, there is and you said

708
00:34:08,761 --> 00:34:11,721
Speaker 4: it light at the end of the tunnel you become

709
00:34:11,761 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: involved in.

710
00:34:14,241 --> 00:34:16,001
Speaker 5: Well, you pulled up by the law.

711
00:34:16,041 --> 00:34:19,121
Speaker 4: You were hit with a charge possession of a pipe

712
00:34:19,201 --> 00:34:22,481
Speaker 4: charge many many years ago, which obviously led on to

713
00:34:23,361 --> 00:34:28,481
Speaker 4: other charges and so on. Yeah, how how are you

714
00:34:29,001 --> 00:34:31,481
Speaker 4: and how were you seeing life at that stage?

715
00:34:31,881 --> 00:34:35,481
Speaker 6: Yeah? I can remember just thinking okay, like I started

716
00:34:35,481 --> 00:34:38,721
Speaker 6: believing my own lives okay, like like, oh no, I

717
00:34:38,761 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 6: don't have a drug problem. Like if you're getting pulled

718
00:34:42,561 --> 00:34:44,441
Speaker 6: up when you found out with some paraphernalia and you know,

719
00:34:44,441 --> 00:34:46,721
Speaker 6: obviously there's there's an issue there. Why do you have

720
00:34:46,761 --> 00:34:50,161
Speaker 6: to get around with like a utensil use for taking drugs?

721
00:34:50,201 --> 00:34:52,241
Speaker 6: You know, if your fingerprints are on bags a meth

722
00:34:52,361 --> 00:34:54,721
Speaker 6: or your fingerprints are on bags a coke? Why the

723
00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:58,081
Speaker 6: fuck are your fingerprints on drugs? Anyway? Yeah, obviously you've

724
00:34:58,121 --> 00:35:01,081
Speaker 6: been around them. So whether the smoke, there's fire, you know,

725
00:35:01,161 --> 00:35:04,761
Speaker 6: that's whether whether yeah, guilty or not guilty. It was

726
00:35:04,761 --> 00:35:09,121
Speaker 6: in asking I don't know, I was like, what is

727
00:35:09,121 --> 00:35:14,241
Speaker 6: the fuck is this? I don't know? Of course, you know,

728
00:35:14,361 --> 00:35:16,761
Speaker 6: like what an idiot? You know, like like it's just

729
00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:20,601
Speaker 6: you know, and like people, you know, I was because

730
00:35:20,601 --> 00:35:22,681
Speaker 6: because I am a good person. I know, I'm a

731
00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:24,121
Speaker 6: good person, you know, and you.

732
00:35:24,081 --> 00:35:26,961
Speaker 5: Know, I've never heard and I know people that you know,

733
00:35:27,241 --> 00:35:28,121
Speaker 5: and I said that to you.

734
00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:30,961
Speaker 4: But when we spoke, you know, everybody has said to me,

735
00:35:31,001 --> 00:35:32,801
Speaker 4: you know, mix a legend and you've got to get

736
00:35:32,841 --> 00:35:33,361
Speaker 4: him more in here.

737
00:35:33,401 --> 00:35:35,681
Speaker 5: And I've tried to cross paths with you, you know,

738
00:35:35,721 --> 00:35:36,601
Speaker 5: before we went to jail.

739
00:35:36,641 --> 00:35:45,561
Speaker 7: But obviously I got five different phone numbers, man, which

740
00:35:45,601 --> 00:35:45,921
Speaker 7: can't be.

741
00:35:46,921 --> 00:35:47,641
Speaker 5: This is the thing.

742
00:35:47,761 --> 00:35:52,161
Speaker 4: I think back to the earliest stages of The Clink,

743
00:35:52,241 --> 00:35:55,161
Speaker 4: probably in about fourth or fifth we're in season sixteen.

744
00:35:56,281 --> 00:36:00,881
Speaker 4: There was somebody I couldn't tell you, It'll come to you,

745
00:36:00,961 --> 00:36:02,761
Speaker 4: but someone had your number. And sometime I know a

746
00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:07,641
Speaker 4: great guest and your name was brought forward, but.

747
00:36:07,721 --> 00:36:10,521
Speaker 5: We could never get you. Get you. Yeah, that was

748
00:36:10,761 --> 00:36:12,041
Speaker 5: That was the hardest.

749
00:36:14,361 --> 00:36:15,921
Speaker 6: Shadow Runner, mate, shadow Runner.

750
00:36:19,201 --> 00:36:22,481
Speaker 5: It's been long, long waiting, you know, have you on?

751
00:36:22,641 --> 00:36:25,361
Speaker 4: And I'm kind of glad that it wasn't there, because

752
00:36:25,521 --> 00:36:28,561
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, we need to go through things in

753
00:36:28,601 --> 00:36:30,521
Speaker 4: life to have our hundred percent.

754
00:36:30,721 --> 00:36:34,081
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love, I love. I went to the premiere

755
00:36:34,121 --> 00:36:35,881
Speaker 6: boxing series last night, which I've.

756
00:36:35,721 --> 00:36:36,641
Speaker 5: Seen you on TV.

757
00:36:37,681 --> 00:36:38,841
Speaker 6: I say it was on TV.

758
00:36:39,161 --> 00:36:41,561
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did a quick little pen because.

759
00:36:42,761 --> 00:36:43,921
Speaker 6: It was my boy on with me.

760
00:36:44,401 --> 00:36:46,681
Speaker 5: It was my young f It was just your face.

761
00:36:46,721 --> 00:36:48,081
Speaker 5: It was just in it in a moment.

762
00:36:48,321 --> 00:36:51,521
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I had Stephen and g and all them

763
00:36:51,521 --> 00:36:54,561
Speaker 6: boys like I've getting working with Channel seven seven plus

764
00:36:54,601 --> 00:36:57,881
Speaker 6: being I TV host and interview and Paul Briggs and

765
00:36:57,641 --> 00:37:01,241
Speaker 6: and and Beck Rowland. I told you before I was,

766
00:37:01,321 --> 00:37:03,801
Speaker 6: I was. I was like at first they interviewed me,

767
00:37:03,881 --> 00:37:06,161
Speaker 6: and then weeks later I was interviewing others. But that

768
00:37:06,201 --> 00:37:09,121
Speaker 6: was a thrill for me. I love getting out there

769
00:37:09,121 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 6: and getting the monkst. I loved walking around my little

770
00:37:10,961 --> 00:37:13,361
Speaker 6: two year old boy, Ollie. I loved walking around the

771
00:37:13,401 --> 00:37:16,001
Speaker 6: vites and people going, oh you do on the day.

772
00:37:16,121 --> 00:37:16,681
Speaker 5: I love it.

773
00:37:16,721 --> 00:37:19,401
Speaker 6: I love it, and I'm looking up for so fucking what.

774
00:37:19,481 --> 00:37:21,801
Speaker 6: I went to jail. You know, that's in the past.

775
00:37:21,801 --> 00:37:24,121
Speaker 6: I paid my debt to community. I've got a story

776
00:37:24,121 --> 00:37:27,561
Speaker 6: to tell now, and I can pass something onto someone else.

777
00:37:27,601 --> 00:37:30,601
Speaker 6: What can you do? It's not it's not a pissing context, however,

778
00:37:31,081 --> 00:37:33,601
Speaker 6: you know, like like I'm here to help, you know,

779
00:37:33,761 --> 00:37:35,601
Speaker 6: like you know, like and back to what I was

780
00:37:35,641 --> 00:37:37,921
Speaker 6: saying before, you know, I'm getting around. I'm getting these

781
00:37:37,961 --> 00:37:40,721
Speaker 6: pissy charges and ship like that. You know, and and

782
00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:46,241
Speaker 6: I just didn't have the balls to just fucking say yes,

783
00:37:46,601 --> 00:37:48,641
Speaker 6: you know, funk, I've got to own up this problem.

784
00:37:48,921 --> 00:37:50,521
Speaker 6: I've got to own up to this, you know, the

785
00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:52,921
Speaker 6: same as when you're fighting, if you haven't done your skipping,

786
00:37:53,081 --> 00:37:54,761
Speaker 6: you haven't done the run, and you're getting there and

787
00:37:54,801 --> 00:37:56,681
Speaker 6: you're going to get your fucking head punched in. You know,

788
00:37:56,681 --> 00:37:59,441
Speaker 6: if you walk around in life just thinking these pissy

789
00:37:59,481 --> 00:38:02,441
Speaker 6: little lies that you know that I'm you know, I

790
00:38:03,321 --> 00:38:04,961
Speaker 6: was just in passing. I didn't know what it was

791
00:38:05,081 --> 00:38:07,521
Speaker 6: and not not believing you know, what you're actually doing. Look,

792
00:38:07,601 --> 00:38:09,841
Speaker 6: you know what you're doing is fucking wrong, you know.

793
00:38:10,201 --> 00:38:15,001
Speaker 6: And and they the way that things are these days,

794
00:38:15,161 --> 00:38:18,801
Speaker 6: you know, digital and technology, everyone knows everything like they're

795
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:20,721
Speaker 6: they're way to it all, and you know, you just

796
00:38:21,161 --> 00:38:23,481
Speaker 6: you know, I just keep on getting keeping on and

797
00:38:23,521 --> 00:38:25,521
Speaker 6: passing the message on the best way that I can.

798
00:38:25,801 --> 00:38:28,281
Speaker 6: You know, I'm so thankful, and like that's another big

799
00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:30,081
Speaker 6: thing that you can have. Like I've got so much

800
00:38:30,121 --> 00:38:33,041
Speaker 6: fucking gratitude that I've gone through what I've gone through,

801
00:38:33,281 --> 00:38:34,841
Speaker 6: and I've been out of the experience of things that

802
00:38:34,881 --> 00:38:37,881
Speaker 6: I've got, you know, going through, and like I've got

803
00:38:37,881 --> 00:38:40,201
Speaker 6: some mates now, like and you know, when I got

804
00:38:40,201 --> 00:38:43,121
Speaker 6: out of jail, I spoke to my psychologists because I

805
00:38:43,201 --> 00:38:45,121
Speaker 6: like to keep me in check, you know, And I said,

806
00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 6: you know.

807
00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:48,601
Speaker 4: That's owning, that's owning who you are, and that's keeping

808
00:38:48,641 --> 00:38:53,161
Speaker 4: you you vulnerable, but also to accountable. Yes.

809
00:38:53,401 --> 00:38:56,281
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look I've got I've got like one hundred and

810
00:38:56,321 --> 00:38:59,201
Speaker 6: sixty pages of contacts that I made. And I said

811
00:38:59,241 --> 00:39:01,521
Speaker 6: to her, I said, look, look, I reckon, you know,

812
00:39:01,561 --> 00:39:04,801
Speaker 6: about three percent of those people I probably wouldn't even

813
00:39:04,881 --> 00:39:07,561
Speaker 6: keep in contact with that meaning probably only half percent,

814
00:39:07,641 --> 00:39:10,401
Speaker 6: not even that, not even that like two or three.

815
00:39:10,801 --> 00:39:14,441
Speaker 6: But I reckon three percent of those people would actually

816
00:39:14,481 --> 00:39:16,161
Speaker 6: come out the other end. And she said, it's actually

817
00:39:16,161 --> 00:39:18,681
Speaker 6: that's not bad. She said, you're pretty right, she goes,

818
00:39:18,881 --> 00:39:22,401
Speaker 6: she goes, two percent is the actual statistics. Two percent

819
00:39:22,441 --> 00:39:24,961
Speaker 6: of people are the ones that come out the other end.

820
00:39:25,001 --> 00:39:27,321
Speaker 6: The rest of them are recidivus. That the meaning they

821
00:39:27,361 --> 00:39:29,921
Speaker 6: keep on revisit again, they keep on going back to it.

822
00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:32,681
Speaker 6: And so I was pretty much on the money, like

823
00:39:32,721 --> 00:39:36,041
Speaker 6: three percent. So two percent actually keep going back to

824
00:39:36,081 --> 00:39:38,361
Speaker 6: the same old ways and end up going back in there.

825
00:39:38,401 --> 00:39:40,721
Speaker 6: And you know, and I know for a fact, that

826
00:39:41,041 --> 00:39:44,161
Speaker 6: the guys that like I keep in contact with, they

827
00:39:44,841 --> 00:39:47,761
Speaker 6: are doing something real good with their lives. They picked

828
00:39:47,841 --> 00:39:50,601
Speaker 6: up where they've gone and they're moving forward like you know,

829
00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:52,801
Speaker 6: and you know, I might get the occasional phone call

830
00:39:52,841 --> 00:39:54,921
Speaker 6: here and there, and I love just seeing the growth

831
00:39:54,921 --> 00:39:58,121
Speaker 6: in people. It just fucking just really fucking gives me dry.

832
00:39:58,441 --> 00:39:59,561
Speaker 5: Did you find also too?

833
00:39:59,681 --> 00:40:01,361
Speaker 4: You know, like when you're at your best, and this

834
00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:03,321
Speaker 4: is something you know, when I was sort of at

835
00:40:03,361 --> 00:40:05,161
Speaker 4: the top of my game doing whatever I was do

836
00:40:05,201 --> 00:40:07,241
Speaker 4: them back in the day, you know, everyone ate and

837
00:40:07,281 --> 00:40:08,641
Speaker 4: I was that sort of guy that if I was

838
00:40:08,681 --> 00:40:10,481
Speaker 4: eating lobs it wouldn't matter who you were. If you're

839
00:40:10,681 --> 00:40:14,761
Speaker 4: my crew, you're eating lobster. But the moment she hits

840
00:40:14,801 --> 00:40:18,161
Speaker 4: the fans, all these all these seats that sitting travel

841
00:40:18,201 --> 00:40:21,921
Speaker 4: and you know, you're looking at double figures and then

842
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:22,921
Speaker 4: you know your miss is.

843
00:40:22,881 --> 00:40:24,921
Speaker 5: About to have a baby and she's going to give.

844
00:40:24,801 --> 00:40:27,001
Speaker 4: Birth and have your kids and you're thinking, nah, yeah,

845
00:40:27,681 --> 00:40:30,481
Speaker 4: boys will throw you some coin and you know, to

846
00:40:30,561 --> 00:40:33,881
Speaker 4: visit by us, Come and I'll be m there's no

847
00:40:33,921 --> 00:40:36,641
Speaker 4: one you go from three phones. You're traveling and you're

848
00:40:36,641 --> 00:40:39,081
Speaker 4: here there, you're around the world. You're fucking You're the

849
00:40:39,161 --> 00:40:40,721
Speaker 4: king at your game, so to speak.

850
00:40:42,201 --> 00:40:43,081
Speaker 5: You ain't ship.

851
00:40:46,681 --> 00:40:50,601
Speaker 4: Exactly, but how's how's And I think for the listener

852
00:40:50,641 --> 00:40:53,641
Speaker 4: out there today, you need to understand what we're saying.

853
00:40:53,721 --> 00:40:57,401
Speaker 4: He has so much value to what your choices can

854
00:40:57,801 --> 00:41:01,081
Speaker 4: be that will make you a better man. And all

855
00:41:01,121 --> 00:41:03,881
Speaker 4: I can say is learn to love you and stand

856
00:41:03,921 --> 00:41:06,641
Speaker 4: on your own fucking two feet. Because I had a

857
00:41:06,641 --> 00:41:10,161
Speaker 4: whole club beside me, like of what you would think

858
00:41:10,241 --> 00:41:11,481
Speaker 4: brothers worldwide.

859
00:41:12,961 --> 00:41:16,441
Speaker 5: I was alone for every day of my sentence.

860
00:41:16,721 --> 00:41:21,801
Speaker 4: My family struggled, we lost everything because of my choices. Yeah,

861
00:41:21,841 --> 00:41:24,161
Speaker 4: I still to this day am dealing with shit from

862
00:41:24,201 --> 00:41:26,721
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago. It's irrelevant to me, but I'm getting

863
00:41:26,761 --> 00:41:30,881
Speaker 4: dragged back through. There's no cunt in my corner. There's

864
00:41:30,921 --> 00:41:33,721
Speaker 4: my family, my kids miss that's it, you know. So

865
00:41:33,881 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: for me, it's a lesson that is hard to learn

866
00:41:37,041 --> 00:41:39,641
Speaker 4: because and I would I'm not going to say the

867
00:41:39,681 --> 00:41:42,681
Speaker 4: word assume because these people know that. Listen to the podcasts.

868
00:41:42,681 --> 00:41:46,161
Speaker 4: I don't like to assume. But you must have had

869
00:41:46,561 --> 00:41:50,401
Speaker 4: you know, the crew wanting to know. You know what's

870
00:41:50,441 --> 00:41:52,281
Speaker 4: going on, Mick? You know what are we doing? How

871
00:41:52,321 --> 00:41:52,801
Speaker 4: is this happening?

872
00:41:52,841 --> 00:41:52,921
Speaker 5: Oh?

873
00:41:53,041 --> 00:41:55,201
Speaker 4: Yeah, met great win you know, you're the best this

874
00:41:55,321 --> 00:41:58,001
Speaker 4: and that and then it all just stops.

875
00:41:58,121 --> 00:42:00,641
Speaker 6: Yeah. But the biggest lesson that I had to take

876
00:42:00,681 --> 00:42:02,401
Speaker 6: from that, and like I did, have a lot of

877
00:42:02,401 --> 00:42:04,401
Speaker 6: followers and a lot of people on board. You know,

878
00:42:04,481 --> 00:42:07,281
Speaker 6: want to be where the were they? You know where

879
00:42:07,481 --> 00:42:10,121
Speaker 6: you like when you need when you need something, you know,

880
00:42:10,161 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 6: like you really have to find yourself and look, this

881
00:42:13,041 --> 00:42:15,561
Speaker 6: is life, you know. And someone told me a really

882
00:42:15,561 --> 00:42:17,801
Speaker 6: hard lesson. It was true and as simple word and

883
00:42:17,841 --> 00:42:21,721
Speaker 6: as harsh as it sounds. You know what, people don't

884
00:42:21,761 --> 00:42:22,721
Speaker 6: give a fuck.

885
00:42:24,161 --> 00:42:29,401
Speaker 4: Like you know, like and like you know they insta reels, brother,

886
00:42:31,961 --> 00:42:36,721
Speaker 4: give a fun give everyone will tell you you're the best,

887
00:42:36,761 --> 00:42:38,281
Speaker 4: and I'll say I'm there, bro.

888
00:42:38,521 --> 00:42:43,561
Speaker 5: Besides, no one gives a fuck. Do you do you

889
00:42:43,721 --> 00:42:43,961
Speaker 5: and be?

890
00:42:44,401 --> 00:42:46,361
Speaker 4: My shirt says be the best you can be because

891
00:42:46,361 --> 00:42:47,201
Speaker 4: that's all that matters.

892
00:42:47,521 --> 00:42:51,681
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd rather be sitting here having a change with you,

893
00:42:52,201 --> 00:42:55,801
Speaker 6: talk with you right now. Then someone going, oh fucking now,

894
00:42:55,961 --> 00:42:58,201
Speaker 6: my missus left me and this isn't it? Like like

895
00:42:58,321 --> 00:43:00,801
Speaker 6: come on mate, hudding the funk up? You know, Like,

896
00:43:00,841 --> 00:43:02,801
Speaker 6: what do you do if if you miss a bus?

897
00:43:02,801 --> 00:43:04,561
Speaker 6: What do you do next?

898
00:43:04,561 --> 00:43:05,281
Speaker 5: One I'll get you.

899
00:43:07,281 --> 00:43:09,201
Speaker 6: And put your hand in a bucket awater. What happens?

900
00:43:09,321 --> 00:43:11,801
Speaker 6: It gets wet, same fucking ship, Like, what do you

901
00:43:11,841 --> 00:43:13,521
Speaker 6: expect to happen if you're going to do this and

902
00:43:13,561 --> 00:43:15,361
Speaker 6: do that? And guess what did they tell the other

903
00:43:15,401 --> 00:43:17,681
Speaker 6: part that they're fucking getting blind drug every day or

904
00:43:17,721 --> 00:43:19,641
Speaker 6: having a bag on a side? Now they left that out.

905
00:43:19,881 --> 00:43:21,921
Speaker 6: You know that you've got you gotta let's be honest

906
00:43:22,041 --> 00:43:24,281
Speaker 6: with what's going on here. And don't you know people

907
00:43:24,321 --> 00:43:26,961
Speaker 6: read into things too much. You know, maybe that person's

908
00:43:26,961 --> 00:43:28,601
Speaker 6: got their own ship going on. You know, there's been

909
00:43:28,641 --> 00:43:30,881
Speaker 6: a lot of things happen where when I've just had

910
00:43:30,921 --> 00:43:32,681
Speaker 6: to say, maybe they got their own things going on,

911
00:43:32,801 --> 00:43:35,761
Speaker 6: like I couldn't. Let's not let's not take it all in.

912
00:43:35,841 --> 00:43:38,241
Speaker 6: It's not all on us, you know, it doesn't you know.

913
00:43:38,481 --> 00:43:41,801
Speaker 6: And and you want to be that person where you know,

914
00:43:41,881 --> 00:43:44,721
Speaker 6: like some people look some some people wouldn't mind going

915
00:43:44,761 --> 00:43:46,601
Speaker 6: out of the way for you. And do you think

916
00:43:46,641 --> 00:43:49,521
Speaker 6: they give a fuck? Well they do because they care

917
00:43:49,601 --> 00:43:52,681
Speaker 6: because you're a positive thing to be around, your positive influence,

918
00:43:52,761 --> 00:43:55,561
Speaker 6: then give and take it, you know, like and and

919
00:43:55,601 --> 00:43:58,121
Speaker 6: that's one thing that another thing that I've learned like

920
00:43:58,361 --> 00:44:02,281
Speaker 6: you've got to play your part in contributing to society,

921
00:44:02,521 --> 00:44:04,601
Speaker 6: you know, like and you know, like stuff like this

922
00:44:05,441 --> 00:44:08,001
Speaker 6: taken something from people talking about life and stuff like

923
00:44:08,081 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 6: there's so many valuable lessons, especially when they've gone food

924
00:44:12,481 --> 00:44:15,401
Speaker 6: things like you and I. You don't think it can

925
00:44:15,481 --> 00:44:18,521
Speaker 6: pass on, you know, and you know I love it.

926
00:44:18,721 --> 00:44:20,441
Speaker 5: I love it. And then you know what me, I've

927
00:44:20,441 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 5: got to say, bro, this is why I love doing

928
00:44:22,561 --> 00:44:23,121
Speaker 5: what I'm doing.

929
00:44:23,481 --> 00:44:27,681
Speaker 4: You know, I started this platform to be able to

930
00:44:27,721 --> 00:44:30,721
Speaker 4: inspire at least one person to go down the same paths.

931
00:44:30,921 --> 00:44:34,801
Speaker 4: And you know, when I kicked it off, my story

932
00:44:34,801 --> 00:44:37,761
Speaker 4: had been out there from different things that I'd done

933
00:44:37,961 --> 00:44:42,161
Speaker 4: on a match massive scale, and that's all cool, but

934
00:44:42,241 --> 00:44:44,481
Speaker 4: a lot of people still didn't know my story. And

935
00:44:44,521 --> 00:44:46,081
Speaker 4: then my producers like, no, you got to tell you.

936
00:44:46,161 --> 00:44:48,481
Speaker 4: I didn't want to fucking tell my story. I want

937
00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:49,401
Speaker 4: to tell your story.

938
00:44:49,801 --> 00:44:51,721
Speaker 5: I want to tell the other fucking one hundred and

939
00:44:51,761 --> 00:44:54,521
Speaker 5: eighty guests that I've had on their story. You know

940
00:44:54,561 --> 00:44:54,881
Speaker 5: what I mean.

941
00:44:54,921 --> 00:44:58,041
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk about my story. But then

942
00:44:58,761 --> 00:45:01,481
Speaker 4: you have to own your story. You have to be

943
00:45:01,561 --> 00:45:04,681
Speaker 4: able to How then can I take people on a

944
00:45:04,761 --> 00:45:06,601
Speaker 4: journey with your story. If I'm not willing to be

945
00:45:06,641 --> 00:45:09,121
Speaker 4: able to speak about myself and where I've come from,

946
00:45:09,201 --> 00:45:11,881
Speaker 4: why why am I doing this? Why do I want

947
00:45:11,921 --> 00:45:14,881
Speaker 4: to give back and see change? Where's my lived experience

948
00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:15,201
Speaker 4: through this?

949
00:45:15,361 --> 00:45:16,641
Speaker 5: You know? Yeah?

950
00:45:16,721 --> 00:45:19,401
Speaker 4: And I think the value of contribution comes from our

951
00:45:19,401 --> 00:45:20,881
Speaker 4: lived experience, right or wrongs?

952
00:45:21,641 --> 00:45:24,401
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I think water finds its own level. It

953
00:45:24,441 --> 00:45:27,441
Speaker 6: really does. Like water finds its own level, Like it

954
00:45:27,481 --> 00:45:29,601
Speaker 6: could never be a more truer thing, like you know,

955
00:45:29,681 --> 00:45:32,161
Speaker 6: and God goes around. I believe does come around, you know,

956
00:45:32,361 --> 00:45:34,321
Speaker 6: those positive things that come off, you know when you're

957
00:45:34,321 --> 00:45:36,921
Speaker 6: doing all these things, you know, when you're talking about

958
00:45:36,961 --> 00:45:42,761
Speaker 6: your story, owning certain things you know and passing on

959
00:45:42,841 --> 00:45:45,241
Speaker 6: the knowledge, and that it's always goes around. Like it's

960
00:45:45,361 --> 00:45:48,401
Speaker 6: like it's crazy, Like I like how the world works.

961
00:45:48,441 --> 00:45:51,281
Speaker 6: Like like I mean literally I was just yesterday, like

962
00:45:51,281 --> 00:45:52,641
Speaker 6: what do you get a hair cut once every two

963
00:45:52,761 --> 00:45:56,121
Speaker 6: three months? Some people every week, but like you know.

964
00:45:56,241 --> 00:45:57,121
Speaker 5: Me every fortnight.

965
00:45:57,761 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah?

966
00:45:58,401 --> 00:46:02,361
Speaker 5: Really it needs to be done. Yeah, I know.

967
00:46:03,561 --> 00:46:06,601
Speaker 6: Okay, Anyway, I'm sitting and like so I get a

968
00:46:06,601 --> 00:46:08,681
Speaker 6: phone call from a good like from a friend of mine.

969
00:46:09,161 --> 00:46:11,641
Speaker 6: Uh and and Ian Jacobs, you know, like you know

970
00:46:11,681 --> 00:46:14,121
Speaker 6: I've been Jacob Jacobs.

971
00:46:14,201 --> 00:46:18,241
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.

972
00:46:18,481 --> 00:46:23,001
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yes, you got to respect that mate. And

973
00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:25,601
Speaker 6: this kid he loves his boxing too, but like fucking

974
00:46:25,721 --> 00:46:29,321
Speaker 6: kick mate, he can kick. But I told you and

975
00:46:29,401 --> 00:46:32,081
Speaker 6: I love him. I love speaking says hey, hey, you going,

976
00:46:32,161 --> 00:46:34,601
Speaker 6: my mighty mate. You know, like you know, we've always related,

977
00:46:34,641 --> 00:46:36,321
Speaker 6: we always talked. We know, we've got a bit of

978
00:46:36,321 --> 00:46:38,961
Speaker 6: a bond there. And he brings me, says, I'm sitting

979
00:46:38,961 --> 00:46:41,281
Speaker 6: outside of a barber. He rings me. This is how

980
00:46:41,321 --> 00:46:43,041
Speaker 6: the world works. And he's always sort of been a

981
00:46:43,041 --> 00:46:44,601
Speaker 6: bit sort of Yeah, he's got that.

982
00:46:46,241 --> 00:46:46,521
Speaker 5: Like that.

983
00:46:47,041 --> 00:46:49,561
Speaker 6: I believe like there's always things connected in the world

984
00:46:49,601 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 6: and things that he's out there. Well no, yeah, ship

985
00:46:54,081 --> 00:46:56,841
Speaker 6: happens around him, you know, like sometimes things moving, like

986
00:46:57,081 --> 00:46:59,241
Speaker 6: he does good things like this Charlie the Hammer Hall.

987
00:46:59,361 --> 00:47:02,401
Speaker 6: This kid is is he's got the anti bullying campaign

988
00:47:02,401 --> 00:47:03,921
Speaker 6: and then and we'll get up there and do a

989
00:47:03,921 --> 00:47:06,161
Speaker 6: positive and he's in front of the community and then

990
00:47:06,281 --> 00:47:09,921
Speaker 6: supporting this kid that you know, he's got his autistic

991
00:47:10,001 --> 00:47:12,441
Speaker 6: you know, his struggles and that. But now this kid

992
00:47:12,481 --> 00:47:14,641
Speaker 6: has been given a world title belt with a WBC

993
00:47:15,121 --> 00:47:18,921
Speaker 6: and he is the president of an entire bullying campaign

994
00:47:19,001 --> 00:47:20,321
Speaker 6: so he's helping kids in school.

995
00:47:20,401 --> 00:47:22,921
Speaker 4: Tell us, I know this is your story, but while

996
00:47:22,921 --> 00:47:24,881
Speaker 4: we're talking about this, that's a really valid and a

997
00:47:24,961 --> 00:47:28,081
Speaker 4: very positive contribution. If you'd like to give a little

998
00:47:28,081 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: bit of info on that, because I'm sure there's people

999
00:47:30,041 --> 00:47:32,841
Speaker 4: that will relate through this podcast and may reach out

1000
00:47:32,841 --> 00:47:33,641
Speaker 4: to this young fellow.

1001
00:47:33,961 --> 00:47:34,121
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1002
00:47:34,161 --> 00:47:37,401
Speaker 6: Well, his name is Charlie the Hammer Hall. That's his

1003
00:47:37,441 --> 00:47:39,721
Speaker 6: fight name, The Hammer, and he will fight anyone in

1004
00:47:39,761 --> 00:47:42,281
Speaker 6: the world. He just loves it. He's fourteen Jacobs. He's

1005
00:47:42,321 --> 00:47:44,561
Speaker 6: only like he'd be seventeen now, he'd be something. He's

1006
00:47:44,561 --> 00:47:46,881
Speaker 6: been doing this for a couple of years and he's

1007
00:47:46,921 --> 00:47:49,681
Speaker 6: been getting bullied as a young kid, and then he started.

1008
00:47:50,041 --> 00:47:54,641
Speaker 6: He's reached the WBC, like the World Boxing Council has

1009
00:47:55,001 --> 00:47:57,401
Speaker 6: has actually given him a world title belt to fight for.

1010
00:47:57,521 --> 00:48:00,921
Speaker 6: So he's like the champion and he'll fight He fourteen Jacobs.

1011
00:48:00,921 --> 00:48:02,561
Speaker 6: He was meant to fight me a few weeks ago

1012
00:48:02,641 --> 00:48:06,481
Speaker 6: till I got COVID does his exhibition bounce. He just

1013
00:48:06,521 --> 00:48:09,201
Speaker 6: gets out there and he fights for this cause. And

1014
00:48:09,241 --> 00:48:13,841
Speaker 6: they but they're they're sanctioned, right, but it's an exhibition

1015
00:48:13,961 --> 00:48:18,361
Speaker 6: rights autistic kid. It's on the corporate fight nights and

1016
00:48:18,401 --> 00:48:21,081
Speaker 6: he gets out there, but Butan helps him out along.

1017
00:48:21,161 --> 00:48:24,881
Speaker 6: Like people people don't see that side of the powerhouse Jacobs.

1018
00:48:24,921 --> 00:48:26,801
Speaker 6: You know, he's got a heart, you know, and and

1019
00:48:27,161 --> 00:48:29,121
Speaker 6: it puts some time, and he helps his kids and

1020
00:48:29,201 --> 00:48:31,001
Speaker 6: you know, but he knows how to handle him. So

1021
00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:32,881
Speaker 6: he gets on the microphone and he tells about his

1022
00:48:32,921 --> 00:48:35,641
Speaker 6: story and then Charlie gets on the microphone and he's

1023
00:48:35,641 --> 00:48:37,081
Speaker 6: got to be handled right because and then he was

1024
00:48:37,121 --> 00:48:38,001
Speaker 6: get on that microphone and.

1025
00:48:38,041 --> 00:48:40,881
Speaker 1: La la la la, la la la telling people.

1026
00:48:42,201 --> 00:48:43,081
Speaker 5: On the spectrum.

1027
00:48:43,561 --> 00:48:47,841
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, he's autistic. He's autistic, but but he's he's

1028
00:48:47,841 --> 00:48:50,161
Speaker 6: passing on a real positive thing about helping other kids,

1029
00:48:50,161 --> 00:48:51,921
Speaker 6: you know, the anti bullying campaign.

1030
00:48:52,041 --> 00:48:55,281
Speaker 4: You know, he's got a daughter, she's legally blind and

1031
00:48:55,321 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 4: she's okay, okay through this sort of thing with her

1032
00:48:59,001 --> 00:48:59,601
Speaker 4: and his dad.

1033
00:48:59,641 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, and of these other and and these

1034
00:49:02,961 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 6: other kids that think about fucking bullying and they see

1035
00:49:05,481 --> 00:49:07,641
Speaker 6: this shit going on, like they should be ashamed of themselves,

1036
00:49:07,681 --> 00:49:09,641
Speaker 6: and they actually will be right now hearing this shit.

1037
00:49:09,761 --> 00:49:12,921
Speaker 6: Right now, the fucking bull mate. You know, someone's blind,

1038
00:49:13,081 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 6: like doesn't take a fack to piss out of him. Look,

1039
00:49:15,441 --> 00:49:18,001
Speaker 6: after him, help and push them forward. Don't regardless of

1040
00:49:18,041 --> 00:49:20,441
Speaker 6: whatever you're thinking this and that, like have gratitude that

1041
00:49:20,521 --> 00:49:23,801
Speaker 6: you have all eyes and ears and you know you

1042
00:49:23,841 --> 00:49:26,401
Speaker 6: can smell taste, that you've got all that together, you know. Anyway,

1043
00:49:26,441 --> 00:49:29,241
Speaker 6: this is what I'm saying with Ian back to the things. So,

1044
00:49:29,241 --> 00:49:31,681
Speaker 6: so this is Charlie the Hemmer hall right, great guy,

1045
00:49:31,881 --> 00:49:35,401
Speaker 6: great kid. You know, almost aught him. It might happen soon.

1046
00:49:35,601 --> 00:49:37,721
Speaker 6: But Anian rings me and then under staying the powers

1047
00:49:37,721 --> 00:49:39,801
Speaker 6: of the powers of the universe. Right, things happen and

1048
00:49:39,841 --> 00:49:42,681
Speaker 6: he goes Mick, he goes, I'm waiting outside of a

1049
00:49:42,681 --> 00:49:45,081
Speaker 6: barber shop and he goes, oh, he goes sell on

1050
00:49:45,161 --> 00:49:48,361
Speaker 6: next Papus at Newstead. You know this guy called Dimitri,

1051
00:49:48,561 --> 00:49:50,521
Speaker 6: Greek guy. He loves you. It's like one hundred and

1052
00:49:50,561 --> 00:49:54,201
Speaker 6: thirty bucks. It's like it's high end, Like just get

1053
00:49:54,241 --> 00:49:56,801
Speaker 6: a normal men's cut. It's one hundred and thirty bucks alone, right,

1054
00:49:56,881 --> 00:49:59,041
Speaker 6: but they're fucking really good. And he goes, this guy

1055
00:49:59,041 --> 00:50:00,961
Speaker 6: wants to sponsor you, and he wants a heap of

1056
00:50:00,961 --> 00:50:03,281
Speaker 6: people wants to do your training gig with you, like

1057
00:50:03,281 --> 00:50:04,081
Speaker 6: they want to get on.

1058
00:50:04,081 --> 00:50:04,281
Speaker 5: Boy.

1059
00:50:04,321 --> 00:50:06,681
Speaker 6: So what this like I made literally I only get

1060
00:50:06,721 --> 00:50:09,801
Speaker 6: a haircut like so not very often. I'm sitting outside

1061
00:50:09,801 --> 00:50:11,481
Speaker 6: a barber like as we speaking, and said, no, meck,

1062
00:50:12,161 --> 00:50:14,441
Speaker 6: just just messaging right now. And I did and went

1063
00:50:14,521 --> 00:50:16,521
Speaker 6: around there and you know, they got the nice cappuccino

1064
00:50:16,681 --> 00:50:18,881
Speaker 6: and the massages, scarp they give you all this and

1065
00:50:20,361 --> 00:50:23,361
Speaker 6: thread having a bit of a snippy snippy. Yeah, this

1066
00:50:23,441 --> 00:50:25,241
Speaker 6: is the hair cut. Yeah. I didn't start it up today.

1067
00:50:25,241 --> 00:50:27,321
Speaker 6: I went to the fights last time anyway, But anyway,

1068
00:50:27,361 --> 00:50:28,721
Speaker 6: it was good. It was you know what I mean,

1069
00:50:28,801 --> 00:50:32,241
Speaker 6: Let's just this just comes together. Everything comes together, just

1070
00:50:32,321 --> 00:50:34,361
Speaker 6: bit by bit, and then you know there might be

1071
00:50:34,401 --> 00:50:36,401
Speaker 6: someone listening to this in and something else will come

1072
00:50:36,441 --> 00:50:38,201
Speaker 6: They go Simmo, you know this and this and that

1073
00:50:38,361 --> 00:50:41,081
Speaker 6: or Michael this and things things happen. You know. That's

1074
00:50:41,281 --> 00:50:45,201
Speaker 6: and that's networking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
00:50:45,121 --> 00:50:47,601
Speaker 4: And it really is like you know, as I was saying,

1076
00:50:47,961 --> 00:50:50,921
Speaker 4: I've literally just gone out a month ago after driving

1077
00:50:50,921 --> 00:50:53,641
Speaker 4: seventies for twenty years and losing everything over the last

1078
00:50:53,681 --> 00:50:55,761
Speaker 4: four years and started a pressure washing business.

1079
00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:55,841
Speaker 6: That.

1080
00:50:56,361 --> 00:50:59,841
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god to the great people that and these

1081
00:50:59,881 --> 00:51:02,001
Speaker 4: people that are on this platform that will know about it.

1082
00:51:02,081 --> 00:51:04,601
Speaker 4: I've done jobs for They've been linked in to network

1083
00:51:04,681 --> 00:51:08,481
Speaker 4: through commercial jobs. I have some really big landmark buildings

1084
00:51:08,481 --> 00:51:10,481
Speaker 4: that I'm about to do as of tomorrow.

1085
00:51:11,441 --> 00:51:15,641
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, bro, Like it's it's starting to really

1086
00:51:15,681 --> 00:51:17,681
Speaker 5: progress and it's big. Yeah.

1087
00:51:17,721 --> 00:51:19,841
Speaker 4: You know when we go that people don't give a fuck,

1088
00:51:20,921 --> 00:51:24,641
Speaker 4: You've got a It is true. People people don't give

1089
00:51:24,641 --> 00:51:26,761
Speaker 4: a fuck. But then there are the people that care

1090
00:51:27,201 --> 00:51:29,761
Speaker 4: that want to see you succeed. The will stand boy,

1091
00:51:29,881 --> 00:51:33,481
Speaker 4: And I think for me personally, I've had to learn

1092
00:51:34,441 --> 00:51:38,641
Speaker 4: that the people that you lest expect you would ever

1093
00:51:38,761 --> 00:51:42,441
Speaker 4: hang around or communicate or network with are the people

1094
00:51:42,521 --> 00:51:47,961
Speaker 4: most loyal and in your corner beyond anything. Yeah, have

1095
00:51:48,041 --> 00:51:50,641
Speaker 4: you have you noticed that over your experience that you know,

1096
00:51:50,721 --> 00:51:52,841
Speaker 4: the ship drop off and then there's people that come

1097
00:51:52,841 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: out of the woodworks and go, fuck, what a beautiful human.

1098
00:51:56,201 --> 00:51:59,041
Speaker 5: How did this evolve that we now have this relationship?

1099
00:51:59,641 --> 00:52:04,481
Speaker 6: Yeah? Have you heard the thing? Constituents, comrades and confidence

1100
00:52:05,161 --> 00:52:09,281
Speaker 6: heard that. So so they say, like, there's there's three

1101
00:52:09,361 --> 00:52:12,241
Speaker 6: types of people in your life. And as they say,

1102
00:52:12,721 --> 00:52:18,681
Speaker 6: there's the constituents, and constituents are for what you are for. Okay,

1103
00:52:18,921 --> 00:52:22,681
Speaker 6: they're they're for what you are for, you know, So

1104
00:52:22,681 --> 00:52:25,121
Speaker 6: so that as long as you are for what they

1105
00:52:25,161 --> 00:52:28,801
Speaker 6: are for, they will support you. They'll be there for you, okay,

1106
00:52:28,881 --> 00:52:31,881
Speaker 6: they'll be there for you, okay. And then there's the confidence.

1107
00:52:31,921 --> 00:52:34,201
Speaker 6: You know, if you if you're lucky to meet confidence,

1108
00:52:34,401 --> 00:52:36,521
Speaker 6: if you're lucky to meet three of those people in

1109
00:52:36,561 --> 00:52:39,721
Speaker 6: a lifestime lifetime, you're you're blessed. You're truly the best people.

1110
00:52:39,921 --> 00:52:41,641
Speaker 6: They are with you when you're in the rehab, they

1111
00:52:41,641 --> 00:52:43,601
Speaker 6: are with you in the jail. They will pick you

1112
00:52:43,641 --> 00:52:46,041
Speaker 6: up from the watchhouse. They'll support you no matter what.

1113
00:52:46,201 --> 00:52:48,361
Speaker 6: They are for you. They're not just for what you

1114
00:52:48,401 --> 00:52:50,561
Speaker 6: are for. They are for you. And if you can

1115
00:52:50,601 --> 00:52:53,401
Speaker 6: meet like three to five people in your lifetime, they

1116
00:52:53,481 --> 00:52:56,721
Speaker 6: actually truly are confidence. They are for you.

1117
00:52:58,481 --> 00:53:03,121
Speaker 5: I've got two, honestly recently. Yeah, that's definitely.

1118
00:53:03,161 --> 00:53:05,961
Speaker 4: I have two, and I think that I'm so well.

1119
00:53:06,001 --> 00:53:08,921
Speaker 4: One of them's back of me one hundred right here

1120
00:53:08,961 --> 00:53:10,601
Speaker 4: right now to be able to do what we do,

1121
00:53:11,561 --> 00:53:13,961
Speaker 4: be on this podcast because this doesn't come for free.

1122
00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 5: So that's one.

1123
00:53:15,521 --> 00:53:18,841
Speaker 4: And he's had my back and he's a very successful businessman,

1124
00:53:19,161 --> 00:53:22,961
Speaker 4: family man, and has not throw all my ups and downs.

1125
00:53:22,961 --> 00:53:24,761
Speaker 5: He could attorneys. No, this is too much.

1126
00:53:24,801 --> 00:53:27,521
Speaker 4: The media has gone this way up you're too much

1127
00:53:27,561 --> 00:53:30,521
Speaker 4: for us as a business not at all.

1128
00:53:30,961 --> 00:53:34,081
Speaker 6: Back to the death and need to be count Yeah.

1129
00:53:33,881 --> 00:53:37,721
Speaker 4: The man that's actually backed me on this business venture financially,

1130
00:53:38,641 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I haven't been able to before.

1131
00:53:40,561 --> 00:53:42,841
Speaker 5: Like he's legit just gone and I've known him for

1132
00:53:42,881 --> 00:53:46,041
Speaker 5: thirty odd years, but he's that other one.

1133
00:53:46,441 --> 00:53:50,161
Speaker 6: So yeah, and it's a bit of the constituents. Be

1134
00:53:50,281 --> 00:53:55,281
Speaker 6: careful not to mistake them for confidence because the moment

1135
00:53:55,481 --> 00:54:01,161
Speaker 6: that shit goes down and the moment that that that

1136
00:54:01,641 --> 00:54:04,801
Speaker 6: they are not for when you are for you when

1137
00:54:04,801 --> 00:54:07,481
Speaker 6: that and it's not for what you were for. So

1138
00:54:07,481 --> 00:54:10,841
Speaker 6: so basically they are for they are for what you

1139
00:54:10,881 --> 00:54:13,281
Speaker 6: are for, but the moment that that all changes, like

1140
00:54:13,361 --> 00:54:15,681
Speaker 6: the scaffolding from the house will fall down, you know,

1141
00:54:15,761 --> 00:54:18,121
Speaker 6: like you know, and you'll just be standing there with

1142
00:54:18,241 --> 00:54:20,361
Speaker 6: like with no scaffolding on the house and I can

1143
00:54:20,481 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 6: just be standing there on your own, like they will

1144
00:54:22,521 --> 00:54:24,721
Speaker 6: leave you, like the moment the ship his events. So

1145
00:54:24,761 --> 00:54:27,321
Speaker 6: when you go to jail, okay, they are for what

1146
00:54:27,361 --> 00:54:28,961
Speaker 6: you are for, but not if you're going to be

1147
00:54:28,961 --> 00:54:30,801
Speaker 6: out there fucking around with drugs and getting locked up

1148
00:54:30,841 --> 00:54:33,361
Speaker 6: and shit, fuck you mate like that, then that's they're

1149
00:54:33,401 --> 00:54:36,601
Speaker 6: not for what you're for. They are for something else

1150
00:54:36,641 --> 00:54:39,681
Speaker 6: and that's not for them. Okay. The third type of people,

1151
00:54:39,681 --> 00:54:42,761
Speaker 6: and I hope I've explained that TJ. Bishop is the

1152
00:54:42,761 --> 00:54:44,761
Speaker 6: guy that learned off. But I hope I explained that properly,

1153
00:54:44,801 --> 00:54:45,761
Speaker 6: but beautiful.

1154
00:54:45,801 --> 00:54:47,201
Speaker 5: I've never heard this analogy before.

1155
00:54:47,401 --> 00:54:50,041
Speaker 6: I love them that the third type is the comrades.

1156
00:54:50,401 --> 00:54:55,241
Speaker 6: So the comrades are only they are against what you

1157
00:54:55,281 --> 00:54:58,601
Speaker 6: are against. Okay. So so so the moment you have

1158
00:54:58,641 --> 00:55:00,401
Speaker 6: a common enemy, have you ever seen this before when

1159
00:55:00,441 --> 00:55:02,321
Speaker 6: you have someone, Oh yeah, they'll talk shit about someone,

1160
00:55:02,401 --> 00:55:04,561
Speaker 6: they jump on the board with you and they were full.

1161
00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:07,441
Speaker 6: They four against this person, so that against the.

1162
00:55:07,761 --> 00:55:12,721
Speaker 4: Next breath they bump into him in the street and they'll.

1163
00:55:11,201 --> 00:55:11,881
Speaker 5: Be with you.

1164
00:55:12,321 --> 00:55:14,481
Speaker 6: They'll be with you to battle an enemy. They'll be

1165
00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:17,481
Speaker 6: with you for that. But the moment that that enemy's

1166
00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:20,721
Speaker 6: out of the road, they use are two different pathways.

1167
00:55:21,001 --> 00:55:23,521
Speaker 6: They are against what you are against. They would leave

1168
00:55:23,521 --> 00:55:27,321
Speaker 6: you in a second that I was hat So that's

1169
00:55:27,361 --> 00:55:28,841
Speaker 6: the three type of people. I don't know if it

1170
00:55:28,841 --> 00:55:31,441
Speaker 6: explains it, but like the thing that resonates with me

1171
00:55:31,561 --> 00:55:33,481
Speaker 6: the most is like my my daughter when she was

1172
00:55:33,561 --> 00:55:35,801
Speaker 6: nine years old, this is five years ago. Mate. She

1173
00:55:35,961 --> 00:55:36,881
Speaker 6: explained that to me.

1174
00:55:38,121 --> 00:55:39,281
Speaker 5: That come from your daughter.

1175
00:55:40,361 --> 00:55:43,321
Speaker 6: Yeah, so she does research, she gets online and she said,

1176
00:55:43,361 --> 00:55:46,721
Speaker 6: you know, she's like, you know, like I know, she's

1177
00:55:46,721 --> 00:55:49,721
Speaker 6: such a smart kid. She's fourteen years old. Now she's

1178
00:55:49,761 --> 00:55:52,521
Speaker 6: in Japan. Like, and that's another thing I was talking

1179
00:55:52,521 --> 00:55:54,801
Speaker 6: about too, like you know, like structure and life and

1180
00:55:54,801 --> 00:55:56,481
Speaker 6: stuff like that. Like I love my kids, mate, I

1181
00:55:56,521 --> 00:55:58,481
Speaker 6: love my kids, and I just hope that you know,

1182
00:55:58,521 --> 00:56:01,361
Speaker 6: I've got to be accountable and you know, and like

1183
00:56:01,561 --> 00:56:03,601
Speaker 6: part of my mission is to be able to get

1184
00:56:03,601 --> 00:56:05,721
Speaker 6: that structure I've got to get, you know, part of

1185
00:56:05,801 --> 00:56:08,281
Speaker 6: my life is getting my ship together have structures so

1186
00:56:08,361 --> 00:56:11,521
Speaker 6: then you've got everything planned out, you know, eventually for them.

1187
00:56:11,561 --> 00:56:13,281
Speaker 6: So it's one thing to say, oh yeah, my son

1188
00:56:13,321 --> 00:56:15,001
Speaker 6: and my daughter, oh yeah, yeah, all this and that

1189
00:56:15,041 --> 00:56:17,721
Speaker 6: it's just an ego thing. It's a it's against an

1190
00:56:17,761 --> 00:56:20,161
Speaker 6: ego thing. But like actually speak a lot louder than words,

1191
00:56:20,401 --> 00:56:22,321
Speaker 6: you know, and you know, like and I you know,

1192
00:56:22,481 --> 00:56:24,001
Speaker 6: the time that I got locked up and that like

1193
00:56:24,401 --> 00:56:27,481
Speaker 6: I truly am really really sorry, Like and I tell you,

1194
00:56:27,641 --> 00:56:30,081
Speaker 6: like not every night, but most nights I think I

1195
00:56:30,081 --> 00:56:32,721
Speaker 6: had I had a tear about my daughter in Japan

1196
00:56:32,801 --> 00:56:34,881
Speaker 6: because that was my very first and that's the closest

1197
00:56:34,881 --> 00:56:38,881
Speaker 6: to me. And she's so smart. Mate. Like then, like

1198
00:56:39,001 --> 00:56:41,561
Speaker 6: how she just took the like she hit the nail

1199
00:56:41,561 --> 00:56:42,961
Speaker 6: on the head with what she said. She saw a

1200
00:56:42,961 --> 00:56:44,121
Speaker 6: lot of the people that I was mixing.

1201
00:56:44,201 --> 00:56:44,401
Speaker 5: She was.

1202
00:56:44,601 --> 00:56:46,281
Speaker 6: She was over here living with me for like two

1203
00:56:46,361 --> 00:56:48,761
Speaker 6: or three years. Then a mom come over and sort

1204
00:56:48,761 --> 00:56:51,881
Speaker 6: of saw it sort of how I was. I know,

1205
00:56:51,921 --> 00:56:54,441
Speaker 6: she just decided to take it back to Japan not

1206
00:56:54,481 --> 00:56:56,721
Speaker 6: long after. You know, it's good. I know her mom

1207
00:56:56,801 --> 00:57:01,361
Speaker 6: is such a beautiful person, you know. Yeah, yeah, but

1208
00:57:01,401 --> 00:57:04,881
Speaker 6: like yeah, I was so so sad, you know, like,

1209
00:57:05,321 --> 00:57:07,241
Speaker 6: and that's the thing is that all we have, like

1210
00:57:07,321 --> 00:57:10,281
Speaker 6: the biggest thing, the biggest asset we have in this world,

1211
00:57:10,321 --> 00:57:12,641
Speaker 6: I think, is our kids and what we can pass

1212
00:57:12,681 --> 00:57:14,161
Speaker 6: on it, you know. And I've got so much.

1213
00:57:14,121 --> 00:57:15,321
Speaker 5: Sunks, bro. Yeah.

1214
00:57:15,361 --> 00:57:21,561
Speaker 4: You know when you just said about my wife was pregnant.

1215
00:57:22,121 --> 00:57:25,241
Speaker 4: She was eight nine weeks pregnant when I was sentenced.

1216
00:57:25,401 --> 00:57:29,721
Speaker 4: I was looking ten years. I was sentenced to six.

1217
00:57:30,481 --> 00:57:32,721
Speaker 5: My oldest son, who's now twenty five.

1218
00:57:32,921 --> 00:57:36,841
Speaker 4: Unfortunately I haven't heard from or seen he just he's

1219
00:57:36,841 --> 00:57:39,841
Speaker 4: a man and a relationship I'll always be there. I

1220
00:57:39,961 --> 00:57:43,081
Speaker 4: pick up the phone on message. But yeah, when he's ready,

1221
00:57:43,201 --> 00:57:46,241
Speaker 4: you know, doors always open. But he's dealing with his

1222
00:57:46,321 --> 00:57:50,201
Speaker 4: own things, very highly like you're, very highly intellectual and

1223
00:57:50,241 --> 00:57:50,881
Speaker 4: funny enough.

1224
00:57:51,241 --> 00:57:53,401
Speaker 5: Speaks Japanese. Been there three times.

1225
00:57:54,321 --> 00:57:57,041
Speaker 4: The whole calligraphy alphabet, he writes, I think there's three

1226
00:57:57,081 --> 00:58:01,681
Speaker 4: alphabets or something, two alphabets. He's a sound engineer, and

1227
00:58:01,881 --> 00:58:04,201
Speaker 4: you know his dream before COVID was to go over

1228
00:58:04,281 --> 00:58:04,721
Speaker 4: and work on.

1229
00:58:04,681 --> 00:58:07,521
Speaker 5: A radio station in Japan. So he's right in anime,

1230
00:58:07,761 --> 00:58:12,521
Speaker 5: very intelligent, Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we unfortunately

1231
00:58:12,601 --> 00:58:16,281
Speaker 5: have that it's lost.

1232
00:58:16,841 --> 00:58:19,241
Speaker 4: It's not lost for good, but it's not it's not

1233
00:58:19,281 --> 00:58:21,321
Speaker 4: what it should be. And I have to own that

1234
00:58:21,401 --> 00:58:25,521
Speaker 4: because I broke that when he was nine and I

1235
00:58:25,641 --> 00:58:28,201
Speaker 4: was sentenced to six years. I missed out on seeing

1236
00:58:28,241 --> 00:58:31,841
Speaker 4: my other son born because of my choice.

1237
00:58:32,161 --> 00:58:32,441
Speaker 5: You know.

1238
00:58:32,641 --> 00:58:36,801
Speaker 4: So these are the things when you mentioned children, our actions,

1239
00:58:36,881 --> 00:58:43,321
Speaker 4: who we are as parents, role models mates. You know,

1240
00:58:43,401 --> 00:58:47,241
Speaker 4: we've we've got to realize that our choices have had

1241
00:58:47,241 --> 00:58:50,361
Speaker 4: a massive impact on our children.

1242
00:58:52,081 --> 00:58:55,001
Speaker 5: And I was never back then.

1243
00:58:55,081 --> 00:58:59,801
Speaker 4: I was ego driven, thinking I was the ship top,

1244
00:58:59,921 --> 00:59:03,241
Speaker 4: chasing the food chain, money, drugs and fame.

1245
00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,881
Speaker 5: I wasn't a father's asshole, not that I knew how

1246
00:59:06,921 --> 00:59:07,121
Speaker 5: to be.

1247
00:59:07,241 --> 00:59:09,361
Speaker 4: I had to learn, you know, I can say honestly

1248
00:59:09,401 --> 00:59:12,801
Speaker 4: for my three children now, I believe I'm being the

1249
00:59:12,841 --> 00:59:15,601
Speaker 4: best dad I can be and each day learning to

1250
00:59:15,681 --> 00:59:19,521
Speaker 4: be better. I make mistakes. I'm far from perfect, but

1251
00:59:19,601 --> 00:59:21,921
Speaker 4: I'm better and I'm a greater dad than I ever was.

1252
00:59:23,001 --> 00:59:28,121
Speaker 5: But that's on me. Yeah, yeah, you know you really

1253
00:59:28,601 --> 00:59:29,721
Speaker 5: you hit that hard just then.

1254
00:59:30,081 --> 00:59:33,881
Speaker 6: Yeah, looking back, man, I wish I had more gratitude

1255
00:59:34,401 --> 00:59:36,281
Speaker 6: to the mothers of my kids back then, because if

1256
00:59:36,281 --> 00:59:39,361
Speaker 6: I had gratitude, I would think twice about things like, yeah,

1257
00:59:39,361 --> 00:59:42,121
Speaker 6: I'm thankful you now. But to really have gratitude and

1258
00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:43,721
Speaker 6: to be thankful and to be thankful what we have

1259
00:59:43,801 --> 00:59:48,721
Speaker 6: in this world, would have done nine of the decisions

1260
00:59:48,721 --> 00:59:51,161
Speaker 6: that I made. You know, looking back now, all we

1261
00:59:51,161 --> 00:59:52,841
Speaker 6: can do is move forward, and like, I'm glad that

1262
00:59:52,841 --> 00:59:56,321
Speaker 6: we're having this conversation now because you know, like you know,

1263
00:59:56,401 --> 00:59:57,641
Speaker 6: people have this.

1264
00:59:59,521 --> 00:59:59,721
Speaker 5: Fuck.

1265
00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:03,201
Speaker 6: I'll tell you a funny story, like getting out of jail,

1266
01:00:03,521 --> 01:00:06,441
Speaker 6: you know, going that little lum going in that little carrier.

1267
01:00:06,881 --> 01:00:08,641
Speaker 6: Man they put you on the go to the so

1268
01:00:08,721 --> 01:00:11,241
Speaker 6: obviously I'll get out at any time. You don't know.

1269
01:00:11,321 --> 01:00:12,441
Speaker 6: So you got no one to go and pick you

1270
01:00:12,481 --> 01:00:15,481
Speaker 6: up from out of Woodford or whatever. He's going to

1271
01:00:15,521 --> 01:00:15,841
Speaker 6: pick up.

1272
01:00:17,081 --> 01:00:26,281
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right up the station, on your feet, wearing

1273
01:00:26,401 --> 01:00:29,761
Speaker 8: your ship clothes you got, you've got no wallet, You're

1274
01:00:29,801 --> 01:00:30,081
Speaker 8: a bum.

1275
01:00:30,321 --> 01:00:31,481
Speaker 5: You come out.

1276
01:00:33,481 --> 01:00:35,721
Speaker 6: So I'm in I'm in with this. I won't mention

1277
01:00:35,841 --> 01:00:38,161
Speaker 6: any names, but I'm in there with this. This bloke

1278
01:00:38,361 --> 01:00:40,441
Speaker 6: is and he goes, what are you gonna do with

1279
01:00:40,801 --> 01:00:44,521
Speaker 6: all this corporate wire stuff, you know, shorts, hat shirt

1280
01:00:44,561 --> 01:00:47,041
Speaker 6: and stuff. He goes, Oh, he goes, I'm gonna give

1281
01:00:47,041 --> 01:00:49,001
Speaker 6: a hand straight away, and I'm going to get on

1282
01:00:49,041 --> 01:00:52,801
Speaker 6: it and go, oh, man, can I get Can I

1283
01:00:52,841 --> 01:00:55,801
Speaker 6: give that to my young fellow, you know? And I was, really,

1284
01:00:56,041 --> 01:00:57,401
Speaker 6: you want to give this young? He goes, what are

1285
01:00:57,401 --> 01:00:58,361
Speaker 6: you going to do with it? I said, I'm going

1286
01:00:58,401 --> 01:01:00,441
Speaker 6: to go and burn it, just the bad energy and

1287
01:01:00,441 --> 01:01:01,641
Speaker 6: the ship. I'm going to go and burn it. I'm

1288
01:01:01,641 --> 01:01:04,321
Speaker 6: going to go jump in the water and the beach first.

1289
01:01:04,321 --> 01:01:06,321
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do the next thing. Cleansed myself and I

1290
01:01:06,441 --> 01:01:09,081
Speaker 6: stayed and stayed in my court clothes and and he goes,

1291
01:01:09,121 --> 01:01:11,321
Speaker 6: can I have it? I said, well, actually that kind

1292
01:01:11,321 --> 01:01:13,121
Speaker 6: of makes sense because he's going to give them to

1293
01:01:13,281 --> 01:01:15,121
Speaker 6: go and give him to his son who loves boxing.

1294
01:01:15,721 --> 01:01:18,761
Speaker 6: Instead of going and go get on it. He's going

1295
01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:20,681
Speaker 6: to go given to him son. And I was it's

1296
01:01:20,721 --> 01:01:22,641
Speaker 6: just so wrapped about that that you know that it's

1297
01:01:22,881 --> 01:01:25,841
Speaker 6: actually instead of burning it, I'm turning that that bit

1298
01:01:25,881 --> 01:01:28,361
Speaker 6: of energy, all that ship and then and turn into

1299
01:01:28,401 --> 01:01:30,601
Speaker 6: a positive thing and just spun it, just spun it,

1300
01:01:30,721 --> 01:01:32,161
Speaker 6: spun it around. Does that make sense?

1301
01:01:32,201 --> 01:01:34,561
Speaker 4: Like, I just hope that he wasn't to go go

1302
01:01:34,641 --> 01:01:36,121
Speaker 4: sell it to someone for a shot.

1303
01:01:36,801 --> 01:01:38,561
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the other. Yeah.

1304
01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:40,281
Speaker 6: I didn't want to say I didn't. I didn't want

1305
01:01:40,281 --> 01:01:42,161
Speaker 6: to say that word. But because that that's that's what

1306
01:01:42,721 --> 01:01:43,881
Speaker 6: I think. That's what he's going to go do.

1307
01:01:45,801 --> 01:01:47,241
Speaker 5: His head to go.

1308
01:01:47,601 --> 01:01:49,601
Speaker 4: For those who think you leave jail with something in

1309
01:01:49,681 --> 01:01:52,161
Speaker 4: your pocket, you've got nothing. Yeah, and unless you've got

1310
01:01:52,201 --> 01:01:54,161
Speaker 4: you know, someone picking up in your limo, on your

1311
01:01:54,201 --> 01:01:55,841
Speaker 4: Harley or your fucking gang or whatever.

1312
01:01:55,921 --> 01:01:57,321
Speaker 6: Yeah, which doesn't happen.

1313
01:01:58,201 --> 01:02:00,681
Speaker 4: But if he if he's chopping in in the go

1314
01:02:00,801 --> 01:02:02,601
Speaker 4: and on the hunt, the moment he's walking down the game,

1315
01:02:02,641 --> 01:02:05,201
Speaker 4: he's looking for an earn and you're just becoming that earth.

1316
01:02:07,281 --> 01:02:09,281
Speaker 5: Disrespect, got me? Got me?

1317
01:02:09,481 --> 01:02:16,641
Speaker 9: Yeah, I haven't seen this great please yeah, well I

1318
01:02:16,681 --> 01:02:22,281
Speaker 9: signed them and everything, you know, like you say, okay,

1319
01:02:22,441 --> 01:02:22,841
Speaker 9: got me?

1320
01:02:23,321 --> 01:02:28,521
Speaker 5: Yes, positive?

1321
01:02:28,921 --> 01:02:31,041
Speaker 6: You should have let me in my positive day dream

1322
01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:32,761
Speaker 6: that I was living made it just sucked it for

1323
01:02:32,841 --> 01:02:41,961
Speaker 6: me anyway, I'm I say him at the Fortitude Valley Station,

1324
01:02:42,081 --> 01:02:44,121
Speaker 6: getting the rest of I think about four weeks.

1325
01:02:53,321 --> 01:02:56,801
Speaker 5: The realities of life. But this is what this is.

1326
01:02:57,081 --> 01:02:59,881
Speaker 4: This is the thing people need to hear your these

1327
01:03:00,041 --> 01:03:02,921
Speaker 4: true stories because this is what happens.

1328
01:03:03,441 --> 01:03:03,641
Speaker 5: You know.

1329
01:03:03,921 --> 01:03:11,481
Speaker 6: Well, so look look, look, look it's suck this right.

1330
01:03:11,561 --> 01:03:14,601
Speaker 6: So I was, you know, like I was going pretty good.

1331
01:03:14,641 --> 01:03:16,641
Speaker 6: I was going in and out of addiction. And then

1332
01:03:16,921 --> 01:03:21,761
Speaker 6: and then I yeah, I just it was just like this.

1333
01:03:21,881 --> 01:03:25,441
Speaker 6: I walked into someone's house because I gave a fuck

1334
01:03:25,481 --> 01:03:27,601
Speaker 6: about what they were saying to someone else about me

1335
01:03:27,721 --> 01:03:36,921
Speaker 6: or something like. And I think subconsciously I was thinking, yeah, subconsciously,

1336
01:03:36,961 --> 01:03:38,681
Speaker 6: I knew that there's something going on at this place.

1337
01:03:38,841 --> 01:03:41,161
Speaker 6: It was a place where people would go. But why

1338
01:03:41,201 --> 01:03:44,921
Speaker 6: would I give a fuck about what someone said to

1339
01:03:44,961 --> 01:03:47,121
Speaker 6: someone else about me? So I walked in there to

1340
01:03:47,161 --> 01:03:49,201
Speaker 6: go and confront this chicken, and he was a dirty

1341
01:03:49,241 --> 01:03:51,561
Speaker 6: line just sitting on the bloody table and I just

1342
01:03:51,601 --> 01:03:55,161
Speaker 6: bloody wracked her up. Mate, And then I went back

1343
01:03:55,161 --> 01:03:58,041
Speaker 6: into the spiral of addiction. It just it just started

1344
01:03:58,081 --> 01:04:01,001
Speaker 6: like that. And it doesn't matter what, what, what, yeah,

1345
01:04:01,041 --> 01:04:03,041
Speaker 6: whatever I could get. Then I just kept on going

1346
01:04:03,601 --> 01:04:06,321
Speaker 6: and I had to be okay, it'll be okay, and

1347
01:04:06,361 --> 01:04:08,641
Speaker 6: you know. And then I was telling this story and

1348
01:04:08,881 --> 01:04:14,601
Speaker 6: I was like a meeting that well, I was talking

1349
01:04:14,641 --> 01:04:16,881
Speaker 6: about this experience. It was a meeting I was at

1350
01:04:16,921 --> 01:04:19,361
Speaker 6: and I was telling these people and I said, and

1351
01:04:19,801 --> 01:04:22,721
Speaker 6: I just wracked it up. And then but that was

1352
01:04:22,761 --> 01:04:24,841
Speaker 6: two years ago, I said. I just went to a

1353
01:04:24,881 --> 01:04:27,601
Speaker 6: spiral of addiction and I found myself like within the

1354
01:04:27,641 --> 01:04:30,441
Speaker 6: next six weeks later, locked up for two years. And

1355
01:04:30,881 --> 01:04:33,721
Speaker 6: here I am today telling the story. And I was

1356
01:04:33,801 --> 01:04:36,921
Speaker 6: so grateful that I got off. I got dropped off

1357
01:04:36,961 --> 01:04:39,761
Speaker 6: at the Cabot station. I went to Ford Chew Valley station.

1358
01:04:39,881 --> 01:04:41,361
Speaker 6: I got off and I got to see my boy

1359
01:04:41,361 --> 01:04:42,921
Speaker 6: that was born when I was in jail. I was

1360
01:04:43,001 --> 01:04:44,761
Speaker 6: so fucking happy to look at my boy in the

1361
01:04:44,801 --> 01:04:48,081
Speaker 6: eyes and see him, you know, and look, look, I'm

1362
01:04:48,081 --> 01:04:50,401
Speaker 6: going to go through my hard times and the good

1363
01:04:50,441 --> 01:04:52,641
Speaker 6: times and things and all the rest of it, but

1364
01:04:53,201 --> 01:04:55,801
Speaker 6: I'm going to I just got to have that good

1365
01:04:55,841 --> 01:04:59,001
Speaker 6: example and do the best that I can be. There's

1366
01:04:59,001 --> 01:05:00,881
Speaker 6: always going to be ups and your downs, but just

1367
01:05:00,921 --> 01:05:02,481
Speaker 6: going to keep on keeping on. But there was no

1368
01:05:02,561 --> 01:05:04,521
Speaker 6: better feeling, you know, and I just hang on to

1369
01:05:04,641 --> 01:05:06,481
Speaker 6: that feeling when I've got to look into his eyes

1370
01:05:08,001 --> 01:05:11,201
Speaker 6: and it was such a beautiful moment, you know, and it's.

1371
01:05:11,761 --> 01:05:14,961
Speaker 4: I can see just in your expressions now looking at

1372
01:05:15,001 --> 01:05:19,321
Speaker 4: your eyes and how your whole face is just just dropped.

1373
01:05:19,001 --> 01:05:20,201
Speaker 5: With emotion at the moment.

1374
01:05:20,241 --> 01:05:25,041
Speaker 4: It's a very real realization for you and the reality

1375
01:05:25,081 --> 01:05:26,281
Speaker 4: of life and where you're at.

1376
01:05:26,401 --> 01:05:29,561
Speaker 6: You know, you're just the gratitude to the mums. You

1377
01:05:29,601 --> 01:05:31,721
Speaker 6: know that the mothers of my children, you know, like

1378
01:05:31,881 --> 01:05:34,121
Speaker 6: you know the things that they've done and the ship

1379
01:05:34,121 --> 01:05:36,521
Speaker 6: that I've put them through. You know. Like it's one

1380
01:05:36,561 --> 01:05:40,041
Speaker 6: thing to like to be a world champion, you know,

1381
01:05:40,161 --> 01:05:42,641
Speaker 6: Like I've won two w BO world titles, one w

1382
01:05:42,801 --> 01:05:45,921
Speaker 6: BU world title, another title like counts fall it's a

1383
01:05:46,001 --> 01:05:48,561
Speaker 6: Brad Smith Memorial belt, you know, but like really I've

1384
01:05:48,601 --> 01:05:50,561
Speaker 6: only really won three world titles. But at the end

1385
01:05:50,561 --> 01:05:53,761
Speaker 6: of the day, world tiles world title, and I should

1386
01:05:54,201 --> 01:05:57,321
Speaker 6: you know, when you win those titles. You have a

1387
01:05:57,441 --> 01:05:58,401
Speaker 6: due diligence, you know.

1388
01:05:58,521 --> 01:06:02,961
Speaker 7: Responsibility, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, you have you have a

1389
01:06:03,041 --> 01:06:05,841
Speaker 7: duty you know where you've got Yeah, So when you're

1390
01:06:05,841 --> 01:06:08,321
Speaker 7: hanging out with someone associating, it's not just you hanging

1391
01:06:08,321 --> 01:06:08,721
Speaker 7: out with them.

1392
01:06:08,761 --> 01:06:11,561
Speaker 6: People kids will look at you and what you're doing

1393
01:06:11,601 --> 01:06:13,601
Speaker 6: and the example that you are leading in that, and

1394
01:06:14,041 --> 01:06:16,201
Speaker 6: you know, so I've got a due diligence. I've got

1395
01:06:16,241 --> 01:06:18,561
Speaker 6: to pay when, you know, when I decide to gar

1396
01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:20,481
Speaker 6: up this road and talk to someone else, you know,

1397
01:06:20,521 --> 01:06:21,961
Speaker 6: because how is that going to look? You know what,

1398
01:06:22,161 --> 01:06:23,881
Speaker 6: who gives the fuck? What looks like? Because it's not

1399
01:06:24,241 --> 01:06:26,481
Speaker 6: who gives the fuck mate? Because what looks like? It

1400
01:06:26,561 --> 01:06:29,721
Speaker 6: is important because some kid will be watching and he

1401
01:06:29,761 --> 01:06:31,441
Speaker 6: may he may or may not see it. But the

1402
01:06:31,441 --> 01:06:33,721
Speaker 6: fact of the matter is is that you need to

1403
01:06:33,721 --> 01:06:35,921
Speaker 6: be seen to be doing the right thing. So so

1404
01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:39,161
Speaker 6: I'm just this to say, like embarrassed a bit. You

1405
01:06:39,201 --> 01:06:41,201
Speaker 6: know that my daughter can get online and read some

1406
01:06:41,241 --> 01:06:44,121
Speaker 6: shit about me and see what dad's done, you know,

1407
01:06:44,281 --> 01:06:47,881
Speaker 6: like you know, and so now as much as I've

1408
01:06:47,881 --> 01:06:50,561
Speaker 6: done good in the boxing world, as much as I've

1409
01:06:50,601 --> 01:06:52,961
Speaker 6: done bad, then after that I need to do the

1410
01:06:53,121 --> 01:06:55,361
Speaker 6: right and do the good thing and push it forward.

1411
01:06:55,401 --> 01:06:58,321
Speaker 6: And you know, and you know, anyone out there that's

1412
01:06:58,361 --> 01:07:00,681
Speaker 6: listening and has got something for me that I can

1413
01:07:00,721 --> 01:07:04,161
Speaker 6: be a part of, that can somehow contribute to that

1414
01:07:03,921 --> 01:07:06,601
Speaker 6: that greater cause I'm all for it. So you know,

1415
01:07:06,721 --> 01:07:08,761
Speaker 6: like you know, I have a message to pass on

1416
01:07:08,801 --> 01:07:12,321
Speaker 6: out there, whether it's talking to you know, public you know,

1417
01:07:12,561 --> 01:07:16,601
Speaker 6: seminars or as a guest speaker, interviews and things like that.

1418
01:07:16,681 --> 01:07:19,281
Speaker 6: You know, it's okay, you know, this is what I'm

1419
01:07:19,321 --> 01:07:23,001
Speaker 6: doing with the Greatness School, which which I'll be getting

1420
01:07:23,001 --> 01:07:25,041
Speaker 6: out on my Instagram. People be able to buy my

1421
01:07:25,201 --> 01:07:28,241
Speaker 6: lessons about you know, just when you know I've taken

1422
01:07:28,241 --> 01:07:29,721
Speaker 6: a lot of time out to do this over the

1423
01:07:29,761 --> 01:07:31,881
Speaker 6: next you know, you know, to pass on all my

1424
01:07:31,921 --> 01:07:34,441
Speaker 6: knowledge onto these videos like that. That's part of one

1425
01:07:34,441 --> 01:07:36,201
Speaker 6: of my businesses, one of my jobs that I want

1426
01:07:36,241 --> 01:07:37,801
Speaker 6: to do. If I can, like you said, if you

1427
01:07:37,841 --> 01:07:40,601
Speaker 6: can just help one person, you know that you're going

1428
01:07:40,681 --> 01:07:42,881
Speaker 6: to be You're going to be thankful, and like that's

1429
01:07:42,961 --> 01:07:44,961
Speaker 6: like me too right now where I'm at. If I

1430
01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:48,681
Speaker 6: can help you help people, people can get something out

1431
01:07:49,121 --> 01:07:51,881
Speaker 6: out of the lessons that I've learned and can pass

1432
01:07:51,881 --> 01:07:53,921
Speaker 6: on well happy days.

1433
01:07:54,121 --> 01:07:55,041
Speaker 5: You you know.

1434
01:07:55,721 --> 01:07:58,201
Speaker 4: Funny enough, you and I have a lot of similarities,

1435
01:07:58,841 --> 01:08:01,161
Speaker 4: we really do. You know, like you talk about your

1436
01:08:01,201 --> 01:08:05,041
Speaker 4: children reading Internet in the media and they won't hold back.

1437
01:08:05,641 --> 01:08:07,801
Speaker 4: As we both know, it doesn't matter whether you've been

1438
01:08:07,801 --> 01:08:10,801
Speaker 4: the world champion a bike here or you know, an

1439
01:08:10,841 --> 01:08:14,321
Speaker 4: investor that made millions. I'll always portray you to be

1440
01:08:14,521 --> 01:08:17,961
Speaker 4: this bloke that was. But you are, you know, this

1441
01:08:18,001 --> 01:08:22,921
Speaker 4: is who you are. You know I chose to I

1442
01:08:22,961 --> 01:08:25,401
Speaker 4: had three years prole when I got released, and I

1443
01:08:25,521 --> 01:08:27,441
Speaker 4: chose to be the first in the world dis cycle

1444
01:08:27,481 --> 01:08:30,201
Speaker 4: across Australia in fifty days.

1445
01:08:30,281 --> 01:08:31,921
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I did that from snap at a Perth.

1446
01:08:31,961 --> 01:08:34,801
Speaker 4: And why did I do that was to make a

1447
01:08:34,841 --> 01:08:38,681
Speaker 4: difference in other people's lives through my own actions, but

1448
01:08:38,721 --> 01:08:42,281
Speaker 4: also too to make my children proud so that when

1449
01:08:42,281 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 4: they ever read or seen something they could always relate

1450
01:08:44,841 --> 01:08:48,801
Speaker 4: to My dad did that not My dad was this

1451
01:08:48,921 --> 01:08:50,201
Speaker 4: and my dad went to jail.

1452
01:08:50,281 --> 01:08:52,361
Speaker 5: My dad was a part of this. My dad was.

1453
01:08:54,121 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 4: They can go and look, you know, there's an abundant

1454
01:08:56,841 --> 01:08:58,321
Speaker 4: which is like yourself, an abundant a.

1455
01:08:58,361 --> 01:09:00,481
Speaker 5: Media there to choose from to read.

1456
01:09:00,601 --> 01:09:03,441
Speaker 4: But they have a choice and they can see you know,

1457
01:09:03,801 --> 01:09:06,321
Speaker 4: thank god, now they're old and you can't hide from it.

1458
01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:08,921
Speaker 4: You can't if you're living out there or you're listening

1459
01:09:09,001 --> 01:09:12,641
Speaker 4: to this and you're thinking that you're going to escape

1460
01:09:12,641 --> 01:09:16,881
Speaker 4: what you're doing, and your kids will never know. Wait

1461
01:09:16,921 --> 01:09:19,481
Speaker 4: till you get caught, Wait till you get caught and exploited.

1462
01:09:20,481 --> 01:09:22,441
Speaker 4: And I know there's people from all walks of life

1463
01:09:22,441 --> 01:09:24,681
Speaker 4: of this podcast. There's millions of people that download it.

1464
01:09:24,721 --> 01:09:27,441
Speaker 4: So don't tell me that there's not champions listen now,

1465
01:09:27,561 --> 01:09:30,641
Speaker 4: or up and coming world champions, or people in authority

1466
01:09:30,681 --> 01:09:34,121
Speaker 4: positions that are doing the wrong thing, because when it

1467
01:09:34,161 --> 01:09:36,681
Speaker 4: does come out, it's only now that you're going to

1468
01:09:36,721 --> 01:09:40,001
Speaker 4: realize how much you're fucked up and how bad for

1469
01:09:40,081 --> 01:09:43,801
Speaker 4: your future children and children current, you know, because we

1470
01:09:43,841 --> 01:09:44,521
Speaker 4: can't hide.

1471
01:09:44,361 --> 01:09:49,801
Speaker 6: From wouldn't you like wouldn't you just love like this

1472
01:09:49,961 --> 01:09:54,161
Speaker 6: version of you now to talk to the version of you,

1473
01:09:54,721 --> 01:09:57,441
Speaker 6: the twenty year younger version of you. Wouldn't you love

1474
01:09:57,521 --> 01:09:58,521
Speaker 6: to have that conversation?

1475
01:09:59,121 --> 01:10:01,481
Speaker 4: I would make, But I got to ask this question, too, Bro,

1476
01:10:01,641 --> 01:10:03,561
Speaker 4: would we be sitting here with this same.

1477
01:10:05,401 --> 01:10:07,721
Speaker 5: To do what we're doing if we have walked the

1478
01:10:07,761 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 5: past we walked? So I'm sure I don't regret.

1479
01:10:11,481 --> 01:10:14,641
Speaker 6: There's some kid that can relate to you and your story.

1480
01:10:15,001 --> 01:10:17,161
Speaker 6: And that's what I like to do with with with

1481
01:10:17,201 --> 01:10:20,401
Speaker 6: my Greatness school is pass on a message to the

1482
01:10:20,441 --> 01:10:23,161
Speaker 6: young professional coming up for their first fight, or the

1483
01:10:23,161 --> 01:10:25,321
Speaker 6: young amateur, or put someone that's too scared to have

1484
01:10:25,361 --> 01:10:28,201
Speaker 6: a fight, like so because I was one of those guys,

1485
01:10:28,241 --> 01:10:30,201
Speaker 6: I was too scared to throw my right hand, and

1486
01:10:30,281 --> 01:10:32,881
Speaker 6: like to pass on that bit of advice. Like in

1487
01:10:32,961 --> 01:10:36,521
Speaker 6: boxing and the young simo, if there was an older

1488
01:10:36,561 --> 01:10:39,281
Speaker 6: cimo that you could look up to to say hey mate,

1489
01:10:39,321 --> 01:10:41,361
Speaker 6: and you know, like when someone says something to you,

1490
01:10:41,361 --> 01:10:43,161
Speaker 6: you're not going to listen. But then if they said

1491
01:10:43,161 --> 01:10:46,921
Speaker 6: it in a way that that resonated with you, and

1492
01:10:46,961 --> 01:10:49,761
Speaker 6: you go, okay, I've got something. Now I've got oh yeah,

1493
01:10:49,801 --> 01:10:51,921
Speaker 6: I'm not going to fly with that. So so that's

1494
01:10:51,921 --> 01:10:54,921
Speaker 6: what that's That's what I'm going on there, Like with

1495
01:10:54,921 --> 01:10:57,161
Speaker 6: with my in boxing. You know, like so you say

1496
01:10:57,201 --> 01:10:59,921
Speaker 6: you might like boxing, you want to get into boxing, Okay,

1497
01:10:59,961 --> 01:11:02,321
Speaker 6: what did this guy do do or does that relate

1498
01:11:02,361 --> 01:11:02,561
Speaker 6: to me?

1499
01:11:02,641 --> 01:11:02,841
Speaker 3: You know?

1500
01:11:02,921 --> 01:11:04,321
Speaker 6: If you learn that lesson from.

1501
01:11:04,161 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 4: That, I think what you could offer to so many

1502
01:11:07,801 --> 01:11:10,961
Speaker 4: people out there, which I think is a beautiful gift,

1503
01:11:11,841 --> 01:11:12,681
Speaker 4: an opportunity.

1504
01:11:12,761 --> 01:11:15,601
Speaker 5: So for anybody out there that's listening, and whether or

1505
01:11:15,641 --> 01:11:17,641
Speaker 5: not you agree, I don't know. It's just to suggest.

1506
01:11:17,681 --> 01:11:20,561
Speaker 4: I'm just throwing it out there, but you could almost

1507
01:11:20,961 --> 01:11:26,201
Speaker 4: create the method and ingredients to success because you know

1508
01:11:26,841 --> 01:11:29,601
Speaker 4: what doesn't work where you go.

1509
01:11:31,201 --> 01:11:35,161
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. You have been at the top.

1510
01:11:35,361 --> 01:11:38,801
Speaker 4: You know what that feelings like. So you do know

1511
01:11:39,201 --> 01:11:41,401
Speaker 4: the stepping stones to achieving greatness.

1512
01:11:41,761 --> 01:11:45,881
Speaker 5: You do. You have the formula, you do have the method,

1513
01:11:46,081 --> 01:11:47,921
Speaker 5: and you've got the ingredients. And if you were to

1514
01:11:47,961 --> 01:11:51,161
Speaker 5: put that into practice and give that.

1515
01:11:51,041 --> 01:11:54,161
Speaker 4: To somebody who, like you said, is just starting, that

1516
01:11:54,241 --> 01:11:56,561
Speaker 4: might be timid, that may not have that inner strength yet,

1517
01:11:56,641 --> 01:11:59,841
Speaker 4: or that warrior like you see something great within them,

1518
01:12:00,041 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 4: We've all got greatness. If only you and I had

1519
01:12:03,721 --> 01:12:07,361
Speaker 4: had the best guidance. I was a very good rugby

1520
01:12:07,441 --> 01:12:11,041
Speaker 4: league player. Unfortunately I didn't have the support. I was

1521
01:12:11,121 --> 01:12:14,041
Speaker 4: sleeping in a football oval and pretending I was going

1522
01:12:14,081 --> 01:12:15,481
Speaker 4: to train, and but you know, we'd go to train

1523
01:12:15,521 --> 01:12:17,361
Speaker 4: and I'd sneak around the sheds on se everyone left

1524
01:12:17,361 --> 01:12:18,761
Speaker 4: and had a shower and then go sleep in the

1525
01:12:18,761 --> 01:12:20,201
Speaker 4: FOOTBA level, break into the hall.

1526
01:12:20,641 --> 01:12:23,241
Speaker 5: Wow, I knew that. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1527
01:12:23,361 --> 01:12:25,601
Speaker 4: I was a street kid and here I was playing

1528
01:12:25,601 --> 01:12:27,521
Speaker 4: in all the reps and all the juniors and you know,

1529
01:12:27,561 --> 01:12:31,121
Speaker 4: getting select next thing, I'm going to boys homes, I'm

1530
01:12:31,161 --> 01:12:35,921
Speaker 4: going to jail. I was wiped like a dirty ass.

1531
01:12:36,321 --> 01:12:40,001
Speaker 4: Had I had that support and guidance, all those ingredients

1532
01:12:40,041 --> 01:12:44,761
Speaker 4: to a recipe through somebody's experience. I don't think, well,

1533
01:12:45,161 --> 01:12:48,441
Speaker 4: you know, hindsight, like you said, I could have had

1534
01:12:48,481 --> 01:12:51,921
Speaker 4: better opportunities, could have, should have, would have whatever. But

1535
01:12:53,161 --> 01:12:55,201
Speaker 4: you know, this is the reality of life, and you

1536
01:12:55,361 --> 01:13:00,601
Speaker 4: have something so much to give and you're passionate about it,

1537
01:13:00,681 --> 01:13:01,361
Speaker 4: and it's real.

1538
01:13:01,601 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 5: It's no bullshit, you know, like yeah, how awesome?

1539
01:13:06,561 --> 01:13:13,161
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I agree, you know, and it

1540
01:13:13,201 --> 01:13:15,201
Speaker 6: says there's a skill to being able to do that

1541
01:13:15,281 --> 01:13:17,521
Speaker 6: as well, and you know that there's these are just

1542
01:13:17,961 --> 01:13:21,401
Speaker 6: part of part of this. This is just learning how

1543
01:13:21,441 --> 01:13:23,921
Speaker 6: to pass on the message and knowing the right way

1544
01:13:23,961 --> 01:13:26,801
Speaker 6: to pass on the message. You know, like you can

1545
01:13:27,241 --> 01:13:29,601
Speaker 6: go about this all different ways. You know, people might

1546
01:13:29,641 --> 01:13:31,281
Speaker 6: be saying, what are you talking about? You know, like

1547
01:13:31,361 --> 01:13:34,481
Speaker 6: it's just it's just as different ways is to say

1548
01:13:34,521 --> 01:13:36,601
Speaker 6: things that make sense, you know. So my best way

1549
01:13:36,641 --> 01:13:39,401
Speaker 6: to relate to people is through boxing. That's that's that's

1550
01:13:39,481 --> 01:13:40,561
Speaker 6: what I know, Like the back of.

1551
01:13:40,521 --> 01:13:42,881
Speaker 5: The mind, that's what your gift is. That's that's that's

1552
01:13:42,881 --> 01:13:45,641
Speaker 5: your tool. Yeah, you know, like you work with what

1553
01:13:45,681 --> 01:13:46,201
Speaker 5: you've got.

1554
01:13:47,001 --> 01:13:49,841
Speaker 4: I did a lot of mentoring with troubled youth in

1555
01:13:49,881 --> 01:13:53,481
Speaker 4: Your Rise in the Project Boo and the Rise program.

1556
01:13:53,561 --> 01:13:58,601
Speaker 5: Now, something I always said was, work on everyone's going on.

1557
01:13:58,801 --> 01:14:00,841
Speaker 4: You know, he's a car thief, he's a he's this

1558
01:14:01,041 --> 01:14:04,801
Speaker 4: his dad or she's this. Hang on, they're no good

1559
01:14:04,801 --> 01:14:09,081
Speaker 4: at gool not because of their not wanting, but because

1560
01:14:09,121 --> 01:14:11,881
Speaker 4: of the life that they're in their environment, you know,

1561
01:14:11,961 --> 01:14:13,481
Speaker 4: and most of them don't.

1562
01:14:13,241 --> 01:14:14,681
Speaker 6: Have that choice.

1563
01:14:15,561 --> 01:14:17,121
Speaker 4: But if we don't look to the depth and as

1564
01:14:17,121 --> 01:14:20,401
Speaker 4: you said, the traumas when we're younger to why we

1565
01:14:20,521 --> 01:14:27,441
Speaker 4: become later, these young persons have had some horrific, horrific living.

1566
01:14:28,001 --> 01:14:30,441
Speaker 5: It's just it's disgusting, it's ugly. But everyone's the first

1567
01:14:30,481 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 5: to say, you know, he's doing.

1568
01:14:31,561 --> 01:14:35,641
Speaker 4: This, So Okay, he's a good car driver, he loves cars,

1569
01:14:36,161 --> 01:14:37,121
Speaker 4: he steals cars.

1570
01:14:37,961 --> 01:14:40,281
Speaker 5: Fuck, let's get him involved in penalty nor mechanics.

1571
01:14:40,321 --> 01:14:41,721
Speaker 4: Let's set him up so that you know, you can

1572
01:14:41,721 --> 01:14:45,081
Speaker 4: get an old ship box and make it a project

1573
01:14:45,121 --> 01:14:46,681
Speaker 4: so that you know, we employ him and give him

1574
01:14:46,721 --> 01:14:48,201
Speaker 4: a start, but on the side, we give him an

1575
01:14:48,201 --> 01:14:49,841
Speaker 4: opportunity to build something great.

1576
01:14:51,001 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 5: Work with the tools you've got.

1577
01:14:53,161 --> 01:14:54,881
Speaker 6: Yeah, yours is.

1578
01:14:54,841 --> 01:14:58,641
Speaker 4: Boxing and at the most top of the game, Like

1579
01:14:58,721 --> 01:15:00,481
Speaker 4: you couldn't get any better.

1580
01:15:00,601 --> 01:15:03,521
Speaker 5: So what an amazing gift you have to give?

1581
01:15:04,121 --> 01:15:07,601
Speaker 6: The bulls for watunate with my abilities and God given gifts,

1582
01:15:07,921 --> 01:15:10,681
Speaker 6: I would say that I was given the luxury. We've

1583
01:15:10,721 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 6: been able to rub shoulders with some very successful people,

1584
01:15:14,201 --> 01:15:16,641
Speaker 6: and there's no excuses for me because look, I did

1585
01:15:16,721 --> 01:15:18,481
Speaker 6: have a lot of good people around me, had a

1586
01:15:18,521 --> 01:15:21,801
Speaker 6: lot of good support, you know, like I like I

1587
01:15:21,921 --> 01:15:24,561
Speaker 6: talk about matt Trip, you know my mate Mattie Tripp,

1588
01:15:24,721 --> 01:15:26,881
Speaker 6: Like I was so lucky to meet him. You know,

1589
01:15:26,921 --> 01:15:30,401
Speaker 6: he flew over to Gleason's gym Brooklyn, New York. He

1590
01:15:30,561 --> 01:15:33,641
Speaker 6: sponsored me. You know. He bought sports Bet for like

1591
01:15:33,641 --> 01:15:35,601
Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars with a group of

1592
01:15:35,641 --> 01:15:38,201
Speaker 6: mates back then end up selling it for five hundred

1593
01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:40,321
Speaker 6: million to Paddy Power and then brought it back again

1594
01:15:40,361 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 6: after that and then did created a merger with James Packer.

1595
01:15:44,841 --> 01:15:47,521
Speaker 6: He made Crown Bet. Then he's gone on to buy

1596
01:15:47,521 --> 01:15:49,481
Speaker 6: the Melbourne Storm, so he's a chairman and owned a

1597
01:15:49,481 --> 01:15:52,401
Speaker 6: Melbourne Storm. Now did a merger with Rupert Murdock. And

1598
01:15:52,481 --> 01:15:54,601
Speaker 6: this is one of my best mates, you know, like

1599
01:15:54,961 --> 01:15:58,001
Speaker 6: families would hang out together and he can only pull

1600
01:15:58,081 --> 01:16:00,521
Speaker 6: me out of shit so many fucking times. Like he said, Mick,

1601
01:16:00,561 --> 01:16:02,761
Speaker 6: I told you you got you got to pull you

1602
01:16:02,881 --> 01:16:05,241
Speaker 6: The deal was you got to pull your fucking head in,

1603
01:16:05,321 --> 01:16:07,201
Speaker 6: you know, like you just put me in. And you

1604
01:16:07,241 --> 01:16:11,921
Speaker 6: know that's so true. So I've I've promised him that,

1605
01:16:12,321 --> 01:16:14,321
Speaker 6: you know, I'm just about all the good message now,

1606
01:16:14,521 --> 01:16:17,321
Speaker 6: just about doing the right thing. And you know, I've

1607
01:16:17,361 --> 01:16:19,441
Speaker 6: got got a duty he can now, Like I've just

1608
01:16:19,481 --> 01:16:21,921
Speaker 6: got to keep on doing that because you know, all

1609
01:16:21,961 --> 01:16:24,161
Speaker 6: these good people I've had him had in my life,

1610
01:16:24,201 --> 01:16:28,001
Speaker 6: like I need to, you know, just keep them in

1611
01:16:28,001 --> 01:16:30,721
Speaker 6: my life, you know, and just keep doing alrighty. And

1612
01:16:30,881 --> 01:16:33,121
Speaker 6: you know, like I've got like a huge network and

1613
01:16:33,161 --> 01:16:36,241
Speaker 6: I've been through so much with so many, so many people,

1614
01:16:36,281 --> 01:16:40,401
Speaker 6: and that the beauty of being a boxer, and I've

1615
01:16:40,401 --> 01:16:42,921
Speaker 6: been able to associate with the people on these high

1616
01:16:42,961 --> 01:16:45,401
Speaker 6: different levels of business and what have you. You know,

1617
01:16:45,441 --> 01:16:48,161
Speaker 6: you might talk about these guys that are panel beaters

1618
01:16:48,201 --> 01:16:52,201
Speaker 6: and with cars and stuff like that. Some people just

1619
01:16:52,281 --> 01:16:55,401
Speaker 6: have this knack for business. Hey, like they have something there.

1620
01:16:55,441 --> 01:16:58,521
Speaker 6: And then like that's not just limited to the fucking

1621
01:16:59,001 --> 01:17:03,121
Speaker 6: car penal, that could be anything. Like I've seen guys

1622
01:17:03,161 --> 01:17:06,161
Speaker 6: like Matt Tripp. It's like that he's been broken a

1623
01:17:06,201 --> 01:17:09,321
Speaker 6: thousand times, you know, and they just have this thing

1624
01:17:09,441 --> 01:17:11,441
Speaker 6: like you know, they have this charisma and his hunger

1625
01:17:11,481 --> 01:17:12,321
Speaker 6: and they just like.

1626
01:17:12,321 --> 01:17:16,921
Speaker 5: Ronnie Conquest, Yeah running, yeah, go the running.

1627
01:17:18,401 --> 01:17:22,121
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been broken a hundred times and a million

1628
01:17:24,241 --> 01:17:26,361
Speaker 4: big shout out if you hear this, running mate, good

1629
01:17:26,441 --> 01:17:29,481
Speaker 4: luck with your little girls on the way to Yeah,

1630
01:17:29,841 --> 01:17:31,401
Speaker 4: he's got he's got a big mess coming, bro.

1631
01:17:31,441 --> 01:17:33,321
Speaker 5: He's got twin twins, little twin girls.

1632
01:17:34,041 --> 01:17:35,121
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got twin girls.

1633
01:17:35,961 --> 01:17:38,041
Speaker 5: Now there you go. You understand.

1634
01:17:38,241 --> 01:17:41,321
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like I only say that because you know

1635
01:17:41,441 --> 01:17:42,361
Speaker 4: ron I've seen him.

1636
01:17:42,681 --> 01:17:45,241
Speaker 5: He's just he's a master of making something happen.

1637
01:17:45,601 --> 01:17:48,201
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah I can can do it.

1638
01:17:48,281 --> 01:17:51,601
Speaker 4: And you know, like that's what it's about to you know,

1639
01:17:51,761 --> 01:17:55,881
Speaker 4: being around those people. I guess that inspire you to

1640
01:17:55,961 --> 01:17:58,561
Speaker 4: be able then for you to inspire others.

1641
01:17:58,841 --> 01:18:02,361
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, like and and that's what I was. That's

1642
01:18:02,401 --> 01:18:04,401
Speaker 6: a well thankful thing that I had. I had actually

1643
01:18:04,441 --> 01:18:06,521
Speaker 6: message from a Mick how do I get in contact you?

1644
01:18:06,561 --> 01:18:08,601
Speaker 6: How to get in contact you? It was this guy.

1645
01:18:08,721 --> 01:18:10,441
Speaker 6: He used to help me. He used to get on

1646
01:18:10,521 --> 01:18:12,961
Speaker 6: like on the Twitter and all that stuff and helped

1647
01:18:13,001 --> 01:18:15,961
Speaker 6: me with the managerial side of things because I fell

1648
01:18:15,961 --> 01:18:17,641
Speaker 6: out with everyone close to me. I fell out with

1649
01:18:17,641 --> 01:18:19,441
Speaker 6: Brendan Smith. I felt, you know, I was sort of

1650
01:18:19,441 --> 01:18:20,961
Speaker 6: going my own way, but he was there with me

1651
01:18:21,041 --> 01:18:23,521
Speaker 6: and stuck by me. He was, you know, he's younger

1652
01:18:23,521 --> 01:18:25,521
Speaker 6: than me. I just think they like thirty three or

1653
01:18:25,521 --> 01:18:27,761
Speaker 6: thirty five or something like that. He rings me and

1654
01:18:27,761 --> 01:18:30,401
Speaker 6: he says, Mick, I just want to say thank you

1655
01:18:30,441 --> 01:18:37,561
Speaker 6: for the years of of motivation and inspire me. I've

1656
01:18:37,601 --> 01:18:39,561
Speaker 6: really looked up to you and the lessons that you've

1657
01:18:39,561 --> 01:18:41,561
Speaker 6: taught me in life. And this is just someone that

1658
01:18:41,641 --> 01:18:43,921
Speaker 6: I just like to pass on and talk to and

1659
01:18:43,961 --> 01:18:46,441
Speaker 6: we would help each other out and you know, someone

1660
01:18:46,441 --> 01:18:47,961
Speaker 6: to talk to. And I opened up to him a

1661
01:18:47,961 --> 01:18:51,121
Speaker 6: fair bit as well. He was he was down in

1662
01:18:51,161 --> 01:18:54,121
Speaker 6: Sydney and anyway, so he goes he goes on to

1663
01:18:54,201 --> 01:18:56,401
Speaker 6: keep talking. I always knew this guy was pretty switched

1664
01:18:56,441 --> 01:18:58,641
Speaker 6: on and he says about wanting to make a movie

1665
01:18:58,641 --> 01:19:01,281
Speaker 6: about my life. And I'm like, okay, well I knew

1666
01:19:01,321 --> 01:19:02,881
Speaker 6: he was switched on that, but I didn't think he

1667
01:19:02,961 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 6: was that wealthy. You know, I looked him up. He's

1668
01:19:04,681 --> 01:19:07,761
Speaker 6: in the four thirty. You know, he's cracked it. He's

1669
01:19:07,801 --> 01:19:11,841
Speaker 6: in the artificial Intelligence, he's in the he's in the AIS.

1670
01:19:12,561 --> 01:19:15,281
Speaker 6: His biggest customers in New zeal the New Zealand government

1671
01:19:15,281 --> 01:19:17,441
Speaker 6: at the moment, like these like these are things that

1672
01:19:19,081 --> 01:19:21,321
Speaker 6: you know, like it's through my life and you know,

1673
01:19:21,481 --> 01:19:23,721
Speaker 6: just by like looking at the positive side of things,

1674
01:19:23,801 --> 01:19:25,641
Speaker 6: you know, like I know you had to laugh, you know,

1675
01:19:26,441 --> 01:19:29,601
Speaker 6: I made I made in the the un the Cabot

1676
01:19:29,641 --> 01:19:33,561
Speaker 6: station and all that. Ye like, yeah, like I'm naive

1677
01:19:33,561 --> 01:19:35,801
Speaker 6: as fuck, you know, but like I'm a believer, bro,

1678
01:19:36,041 --> 01:19:40,281
Speaker 6: Like I'm a believer and you know, and I do mean, well, mate,

1679
01:19:40,321 --> 01:19:43,001
Speaker 6: like this might be there's something, you know, And at

1680
01:19:43,041 --> 01:19:44,321
Speaker 6: the end of the day, I've got some I've got

1681
01:19:44,321 --> 01:19:47,161
Speaker 6: some really good people around me, you know. And I'm

1682
01:19:47,241 --> 01:19:49,081
Speaker 6: very fortunate to have the advice of my friend. His

1683
01:19:49,161 --> 01:19:51,121
Speaker 6: name is Lewis guys, and I tell you he's a

1684
01:19:51,161 --> 01:19:54,441
Speaker 6: top like and but like I'm so fortunate to have

1685
01:19:54,641 --> 01:19:56,881
Speaker 6: like the support. I love being how the message out

1686
01:19:56,921 --> 01:19:58,801
Speaker 6: to and I get a message back. You know, he

1687
01:19:58,881 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 6: just loved the boxing. He just loved boxing, so like

1688
01:20:01,841 --> 01:20:05,961
Speaker 6: like humability, being humbles is an important thing, you know.

1689
01:20:06,001 --> 01:20:08,201
Speaker 6: And though I was world champion, that fuck it. You know,

1690
01:20:08,641 --> 01:20:10,641
Speaker 6: this guy's a cool guy. You know, he's cool as

1691
01:20:10,641 --> 01:20:13,281
Speaker 6: and I love talking and I'd like talking to him

1692
01:20:13,321 --> 01:20:15,521
Speaker 6: for this because I could see the hunger, I see

1693
01:20:15,761 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 6: the interest in what I was doing, and yeah, yeah

1694
01:20:19,881 --> 01:20:23,121
Speaker 6: that's so cool. Yeah, never too good, never too good.

1695
01:20:23,601 --> 01:20:23,961
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1696
01:20:24,441 --> 01:20:26,161
Speaker 4: I want to just ask you something that I'm going

1697
01:20:26,201 --> 01:20:27,441
Speaker 4: to throw you in the water, like I do with

1698
01:20:27,521 --> 01:20:31,521
Speaker 4: all my guests. But you're talking to thousands and thousands

1699
01:20:31,521 --> 01:20:33,361
Speaker 4: and thousands of people out there, and I guarantee this

1700
01:20:33,441 --> 01:20:36,921
Speaker 4: someone out there struggling right now, Hm, what would you

1701
01:20:36,961 --> 01:20:40,601
Speaker 4: say to that person with your now lived experience and

1702
01:20:40,721 --> 01:20:47,041
Speaker 4: knowledge if they're in that position that you were in, the.

1703
01:20:47,001 --> 01:20:50,321
Speaker 6: Position that I was in. You know, everyone's position is different,

1704
01:20:52,841 --> 01:20:55,961
Speaker 6: you know, like the easy solution and the quick fixed answer,

1705
01:20:56,161 --> 01:20:59,081
Speaker 6: you know, like you like if you don't have clarity

1706
01:20:59,281 --> 01:21:01,041
Speaker 6: in your mind, you've got to be able to think clearly,

1707
01:21:01,201 --> 01:21:05,241
Speaker 6: you know, it's people. We've been taught this from at

1708
01:21:05,241 --> 01:21:08,641
Speaker 6: a young age. You know, you need to sleep, you

1709
01:21:08,681 --> 01:21:10,801
Speaker 6: need to look after yourself, you need to properly, need

1710
01:21:10,841 --> 01:21:13,681
Speaker 6: to have balanced meals and things like that. If you know,

1711
01:21:14,121 --> 01:21:17,681
Speaker 6: if if problems persist, please see a doctor. You know

1712
01:21:17,761 --> 01:21:20,801
Speaker 6: that one that goes like like.

1713
01:21:20,001 --> 01:21:27,201
Speaker 7: Like yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, Like like, oh, fucking

1714
01:21:27,241 --> 01:21:29,241
Speaker 7: you know what these things are going wrong in your life?

1715
01:21:29,241 --> 01:21:32,321
Speaker 6: Well, are you're fucking self medicating? Are you doing what

1716
01:21:32,161 --> 01:21:34,401
Speaker 6: you what are you doing that you're not saying? Like,

1717
01:21:34,801 --> 01:21:38,041
Speaker 6: be honest to yourself, be real to yourself, and just

1718
01:21:38,081 --> 01:21:41,961
Speaker 6: think what would the what would the you that wants

1719
01:21:41,961 --> 01:21:44,361
Speaker 6: the best for you want for you? You know, like

1720
01:21:44,481 --> 01:21:47,721
Speaker 6: you got to ask yourself these questions and and and

1721
01:21:48,001 --> 01:21:50,281
Speaker 6: one of the biggest things that I could take on

1722
01:21:50,361 --> 01:21:54,201
Speaker 6: board is mindfulness. Like you know, this is why I

1723
01:21:54,201 --> 01:21:56,921
Speaker 6: relate with boxing. When you're shadow boxing, and you know,

1724
01:21:57,041 --> 01:22:00,121
Speaker 6: people don't spend enough time doing mindfulness and being centered

1725
01:22:00,121 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 6: and at one with themselves, because when you're shadow boxing,

1726
01:22:02,761 --> 01:22:04,321
Speaker 6: that's like your time out for you and you're just

1727
01:22:04,361 --> 01:22:07,441
Speaker 6: focusing on your mind, is only focusing on the boxing

1728
01:22:07,441 --> 01:22:09,841
Speaker 6: and the moves, and you know how to and that

1729
01:22:09,841 --> 01:22:12,521
Speaker 6: that is actually taking your mind off everything else. So

1730
01:22:13,601 --> 01:22:16,401
Speaker 6: it even better if you can sit still and have stillness.

1731
01:22:16,441 --> 01:22:20,401
Speaker 6: But that's so shadow boxing or working on a bag

1732
01:22:20,481 --> 01:22:24,041
Speaker 6: by itself is a is a is a mind mindfulness

1733
01:22:24,081 --> 01:22:26,721
Speaker 6: so to speak, you know, use it's a meditational states.

1734
01:22:27,721 --> 01:22:31,121
Speaker 6: Just focus on that one thing, you know, and having

1735
01:22:31,161 --> 01:22:33,481
Speaker 6: that mind and when when you when you are working

1736
01:22:33,521 --> 01:22:36,481
Speaker 6: and shadow boxing, you just think about you know, when

1737
01:22:36,521 --> 01:22:39,321
Speaker 6: you're doing anything, it is just think about who you

1738
01:22:39,401 --> 01:22:42,481
Speaker 6: are and what do you want out of life? You know,

1739
01:22:42,561 --> 01:22:45,361
Speaker 6: where do you want to go? Just remember who you are,

1740
01:22:45,641 --> 01:22:46,361
Speaker 6: what do you want to be?

1741
01:22:46,441 --> 01:22:46,601
Speaker 3: You know?

1742
01:22:46,681 --> 01:22:48,801
Speaker 6: And I remember Brendan Smith always saying to me when

1743
01:22:48,801 --> 01:22:51,161
Speaker 6: I was shadow boxing, I came Mick, so I can

1744
01:22:51,321 --> 01:22:53,601
Speaker 6: now find your jab just working around the shadow just

1745
01:22:53,841 --> 01:22:56,161
Speaker 6: to be focusing on and focusing and this move around.

1746
01:22:56,201 --> 01:22:58,801
Speaker 6: And he knows I'm getting tired, and he goes, keep working,

1747
01:22:58,881 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 6: keep working, and I'm pushing myself through it, and he goes,

1748
01:23:01,041 --> 01:23:02,961
Speaker 6: give myself a little reminded. He might get me on

1749
01:23:03,001 --> 01:23:04,841
Speaker 6: a bag. And I'm working hard and working hard, and

1750
01:23:05,041 --> 01:23:06,921
Speaker 6: as you've got rounds to go, comments and doing rounds,

1751
01:23:06,921 --> 01:23:09,081
Speaker 6: we're doing rounds. You guys, remember who you are Mick,

1752
01:23:09,281 --> 01:23:10,921
Speaker 6: remember where you want to go? Where do you want

1753
01:23:10,921 --> 01:23:13,081
Speaker 6: to go? Where do you want to be? Who are you?

1754
01:23:13,161 --> 01:23:13,321
Speaker 5: Mick?

1755
01:23:13,321 --> 01:23:13,681
Speaker 6: Who are you?

1756
01:23:13,841 --> 01:23:14,161
Speaker 5: Let's go?

1757
01:23:14,241 --> 01:23:15,561
Speaker 6: Just think who you are? What do you want out

1758
01:23:15,601 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 6: of this? Come on, let's go go? You know purpose

1759
01:23:17,921 --> 01:23:19,561
Speaker 6: that's right, and that's the things you've got to say

1760
01:23:19,561 --> 01:23:21,921
Speaker 6: to yourself. You know it might seem like a heap

1761
01:23:21,961 --> 01:23:23,881
Speaker 6: of ship, you know, like right now and the thick

1762
01:23:23,921 --> 01:23:27,481
Speaker 6: of things and to some people, but just ask yourself

1763
01:23:27,521 --> 01:23:29,481
Speaker 6: that question. You know, where do you want to go?

1764
01:23:29,921 --> 01:23:30,201
Speaker 5: You know?

1765
01:23:30,241 --> 01:23:32,161
Speaker 6: Who are you? You know, like you know what do

1766
01:23:32,201 --> 01:23:34,481
Speaker 6: you have inside you? And you know it's not until

1767
01:23:34,521 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 6: you start giving that physical exertion you start like actually

1768
01:23:37,801 --> 01:23:40,801
Speaker 6: you feeling get like my mum you said, tell me

1769
01:23:40,841 --> 01:23:43,041
Speaker 6: put my shoes on and go for a run. You know,

1770
01:23:43,281 --> 01:23:47,721
Speaker 6: just wife tells me that, Yeah, yeah, I know, we'll

1771
01:23:48,001 --> 01:23:50,401
Speaker 6: like put on a set of gloves, just go fucking

1772
01:23:50,401 --> 01:23:52,241
Speaker 6: whack a bag. And if you don't know how to

1773
01:23:52,241 --> 01:23:55,041
Speaker 6: whack a bag, probably google it, you know, like like

1774
01:23:55,161 --> 01:23:57,241
Speaker 6: have a look at everyone's googling shit these days. Like

1775
01:23:57,481 --> 01:23:59,161
Speaker 6: you know you're be able to learn off me soon,

1776
01:23:59,241 --> 01:24:02,241
Speaker 6: you know, on my my greatness school. But it's just

1777
01:24:02,281 --> 01:24:04,321
Speaker 6: like there's always skills and things you can learn, but

1778
01:24:04,401 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 6: this is no better feeling than sit on that bag

1779
01:24:08,801 --> 01:24:11,081
Speaker 6: and just work the bag. Work the bag work, and

1780
01:24:11,121 --> 01:24:12,801
Speaker 6: they how to work the bag. Think, you know, like

1781
01:24:12,921 --> 01:24:15,081
Speaker 6: start painting the picture. You know, that's a big thing.

1782
01:24:15,161 --> 01:24:17,241
Speaker 6: Like when you're shadow boxing. You know, you're painting that

1783
01:24:17,281 --> 01:24:19,481
Speaker 6: picture and you're thinking, you know where, you know where

1784
01:24:19,481 --> 01:24:21,121
Speaker 6: you want to go, and you're thinking about who you are,

1785
01:24:21,201 --> 01:24:22,921
Speaker 6: and you sort of you're painting that picture. Like the

1786
01:24:22,921 --> 01:24:24,561
Speaker 6: guys in front of you, he's throwing shots at your

1787
01:24:24,601 --> 01:24:28,481
Speaker 6: shadow boxing and you you actually visually moving away, moving

1788
01:24:28,481 --> 01:24:31,121
Speaker 6: towards footwork and moving your hand and hitting him a

1789
01:24:31,121 --> 01:24:33,001
Speaker 6: couple of times and then dodging is and then all

1790
01:24:33,041 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 6: you might get hit with one. You know, make it real,

1791
01:24:34,921 --> 01:24:37,321
Speaker 6: you know, like you come into it. And but that's

1792
01:24:37,601 --> 01:24:42,721
Speaker 6: that's all mindfulness. And when I was away at the AM,

1793
01:24:42,761 --> 01:24:43,881
Speaker 6: I rattling on a bit too much.

1794
01:24:44,401 --> 01:24:46,841
Speaker 5: Please this is your sweaters.

1795
01:24:46,961 --> 01:24:49,721
Speaker 6: So when I was the US Olympic Training Center in Colorado,

1796
01:24:49,961 --> 01:24:52,921
Speaker 6: this is I was there with Danny Green and Daniel Gill.

1797
01:24:53,041 --> 01:24:56,321
Speaker 6: Some good names, you know, James Swan, Henry Collins, Paul Millow,

1798
01:24:56,321 --> 01:25:02,361
Speaker 6: Bitchie Rolls and Bratt Bradhall. Yeah, there's some good guys

1799
01:25:02,361 --> 01:25:04,361
Speaker 6: in that team, mate, And like, yeah, when the two

1800
01:25:04,361 --> 01:25:06,561
Speaker 6: thousand of them big games, we had a training camp

1801
01:25:06,601 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 6: all together and we're going away with the US Olympic

1802
01:25:08,841 --> 01:25:11,201
Speaker 6: training set. On what I learned there was there's three

1803
01:25:11,201 --> 01:25:14,441
Speaker 6: different there's three different groups and they did this study

1804
01:25:14,481 --> 01:25:17,401
Speaker 6: thing where they did one group did seventy five percent

1805
01:25:17,521 --> 01:25:21,241
Speaker 6: physical training and only twenty five percent mental training. Another

1806
01:25:21,281 --> 01:25:25,081
Speaker 6: group did fifty percent physical training and fifty percent physical training,

1807
01:25:25,281 --> 01:25:28,041
Speaker 6: and the third group did seventy five percent mental training

1808
01:25:28,081 --> 01:25:31,441
Speaker 6: and only twenty five percent physical training. So the group

1809
01:25:31,481 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 6: that did the seventy five percent mental training achieved far

1810
01:25:34,961 --> 01:25:38,481
Speaker 6: higher results than the other groups. So as telling you

1811
01:25:38,561 --> 01:25:43,161
Speaker 6: how powerful the fucking mind is, just so when you're

1812
01:25:43,161 --> 01:25:45,721
Speaker 6: sitting there and think, I know you can't do anything, bullshit,

1813
01:25:46,241 --> 01:25:49,121
Speaker 6: start thinking about I know I can, I know I can.

1814
01:25:49,201 --> 01:25:51,161
Speaker 6: How I'm gonna do? Just just keep on thinking, Just

1815
01:25:51,241 --> 01:25:53,201
Speaker 6: keep on tapping on that door, Keep on tapping on

1816
01:25:53,241 --> 01:25:55,241
Speaker 6: the door. Like my brother when he was an apprentice

1817
01:25:55,241 --> 01:25:59,321
Speaker 6: stock he ringing marks if he can get it right on. Yeah, God,

1818
01:25:59,601 --> 01:26:02,481
Speaker 6: So we're still busting through puberty, mate, Like, just keep

1819
01:26:02,561 --> 01:26:05,321
Speaker 6: fucking making those calls. Who gives a fuck what anyone

1820
01:26:05,361 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 6: else thinks?

1821
01:26:06,801 --> 01:26:09,161
Speaker 5: Anyway, he's forever known as the greatest jockey.

1822
01:26:12,521 --> 01:26:14,641
Speaker 6: Keep on tapping on doors, keep knocking on doors. Who

1823
01:26:14,761 --> 01:26:17,201
Speaker 6: gives a fuck? You know, just keep going have a crack.

1824
01:26:17,241 --> 01:26:19,521
Speaker 6: You know, there's no point sitting around and you know,

1825
01:26:19,601 --> 01:26:21,881
Speaker 6: worrying about your boxing record for the rest of your life.

1826
01:26:21,921 --> 01:26:23,321
Speaker 6: Just get out there and have a crack and just

1827
01:26:23,321 --> 01:26:26,201
Speaker 6: get your numbers up, you know, be real about this,

1828
01:26:26,241 --> 01:26:27,401
Speaker 6: so be humble, you know.

1829
01:26:27,641 --> 01:26:31,481
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Michael Cats, this mate. It has been an

1830
01:26:31,481 --> 01:26:33,561
Speaker 5: honor to have you on here today and your time.

1831
01:26:33,641 --> 01:26:34,801
Speaker 5: I truly appreciate.

1832
01:26:35,121 --> 01:26:37,841
Speaker 4: I will support in any way shape or form we

1833
01:26:37,961 --> 01:26:41,841
Speaker 4: can share, help whatever we can do to elevate your

1834
01:26:41,881 --> 01:26:44,241
Speaker 4: platform that you're about to put together. Please let us

1835
01:26:44,281 --> 01:26:46,921
Speaker 4: know and let everyone know that's listening today.

1836
01:26:46,961 --> 01:26:49,161
Speaker 5: What what you know? Where can they find you?

1837
01:26:49,241 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 6: And yeah the great in the school, you know, But anyway,

1838
01:26:53,761 --> 01:26:56,561
Speaker 6: it's Michael Cats. This k A T S. I d

1839
01:26:56,721 --> 01:27:00,681
Speaker 6: oh yes, just look me up on Instagram my messages

1840
01:27:00,761 --> 01:27:03,521
Speaker 6: and uh and you know what my message that I

1841
01:27:03,561 --> 01:27:06,761
Speaker 6: have to pass on to people and and what I'm

1842
01:27:06,801 --> 01:27:09,001
Speaker 6: aspiring to be out there and pass on to people,

1843
01:27:09,001 --> 01:27:12,161
Speaker 6: and my knowledge can all be looked at via Instagram,

1844
01:27:12,241 --> 01:27:16,761
Speaker 6: So follow me and please share my stories, share what

1845
01:27:16,801 --> 01:27:19,121
Speaker 6: I've got to say, what I'm, what I'm, what I'm about,

1846
01:27:19,161 --> 01:27:22,161
Speaker 6: because everything out there there's a message and everything that

1847
01:27:22,561 --> 01:27:24,241
Speaker 6: I post your legend.

1848
01:27:24,321 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 5: Mate. Once again, it's an honor. I feel very privileged.

1849
01:27:27,961 --> 01:27:29,401
Speaker 5: So thank you so much, and.

1850
01:27:29,401 --> 01:27:34,201
Speaker 4: Everybody out there please take a moment and seriously jump

1851
01:27:34,281 --> 01:27:37,161
Speaker 4: over and give Michael a follow. And there's some great

1852
01:27:37,201 --> 01:27:39,841
Speaker 4: things happening, and like I said, we're here to help

1853
01:27:39,841 --> 01:27:42,761
Speaker 4: and support in any way possible. So Mate, from me

1854
01:27:42,841 --> 01:27:46,601
Speaker 4: to you, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.

1855
01:27:47,041 --> 01:27:51,761
Speaker 2: Cheers for the record. Don't try and make you uncomfortable

1856
01:27:52,881 --> 01:27:54,401
Speaker 2: photo record. You a trying world.

1857
01:27:54,401 --> 01:27:54,961
Speaker 1: Any stuff for.

1858
01:27:54,961 --> 01:28:00,121
Speaker 2: Your photo record, lab on me going to work photo record.

1859
01:28:00,281 --> 01:28:02,881
Speaker 1: Ain't trying to link, not trying to wet stuff for

1860
01:28:02,921 --> 01:28:05,041
Speaker 1: the record for record.

1861
01:28:05,321 --> 01:28:12,761
Speaker 2: Yeah, phutto photo rackon Forto Raggy for the Reggon fort

1862
01:28:12,801 --> 01:28:13,241
Speaker 2: the ragged

1863
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Speaker 5: MHM