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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, August twenty six, twenty twenty five. A big

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Speaker 1: scoop on the Orcus Defense packed from our US correspondent

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Speaker 1: Joe Kelly. Australia is being urged to pivot towards developing

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Speaker 1: drone warfare technology, long range strike weapons and integrated air

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Speaker 1: defense systems with Britain and the US. Pillar two of

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Speaker 1: Orcus was supposed to focus on areas like AI and

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Speaker 1: quantum computing, but Joe's revealing a call to shake everything up.

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Speaker 1: The judge in Aaron Patterson's murder case says the fatal

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Speaker 1: mushroom lunch was horrendous, offending and now he's deciding whether

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Speaker 1: Patterson will ever see daylight again. Today a sentencing hearing

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Speaker 1: where Patterson's lawyers say she's doing it tough in prison

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Speaker 1: and should be eligible for parole a time in the future,

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Speaker 1: despite showing no remorse for her crimes. The Dame Phyllis

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Speaker 1: Frost Center in Melbourne is one of Australia's toughest prisons,

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Speaker 1: where inmates include convicted Islamic State terrorist Momina Schoma, drug dealers,

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Speaker 1: violent offenders and mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson. It's constantly in

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Speaker 1: the news because of staff shortages and rampant self harm incidents.

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Speaker 1: Prisoners are frequently locked down in their cells because there

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Speaker 1: aren't enough guards. Patterson is in her cell twenty two

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Speaker 1: hours per day and has taken refuge in crochet and books,

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Speaker 1: although her constant request to visit the library or get

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Speaker 1: some change of scenery go nowhere. That's the picture painted

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Speaker 1: in the Victorian Supreme Court where Justice Christopher Beale is

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Speaker 1: hearing submissions on sentence from the Crown, which wants life imprisonment,

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Speaker 1: and defense, which wants to emphasize Patterson is having a

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Speaker 1: hard time giving evidence. On Monday was Jennifer Hosking, an

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Speaker 1: assistant commissioner with Corrections Victoria. She said Patterson had access

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Speaker 1: to a small mesh fenced yard outside her solitary cell,

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Speaker 1: which adjoins her next door neighbor's yard. Patterson would also

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Speaker 1: be allowed to communicate by intercom with other prisoners if

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Speaker 1: she requested approval, but Patterson doesn't know who else is

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Speaker 1: in the unit, so can't apply to talk to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Here are voice actors for Patterson's barrister Colin Mandy sc

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer Hosking.

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Speaker 2: Miss Patterson currently communicates with one other person while they

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Speaker 2: are in separate yards. She does not currently physically mix

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Speaker 2: with other women in the unit.

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Speaker 3: That's yes, that's correct. She has approval to have access

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Speaker 3: with one other prisoner. I'm not aware of how frequently

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Speaker 3: that occurs, but she certainly approved to do that.

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Speaker 2: And although she has that approval, can I suggest to

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Speaker 2: you that she has never spoken one word to that

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Speaker 2: other prisoner.

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Speaker 3: I can't deny that. I have no further information on

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Speaker 3: that point. That could be for a range of reasons.

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Speaker 3: It could be the other person or her not wishing

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Speaker 3: to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: And that other person is one of the prisoners who's

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Speaker 2: been in that unit for a number of years.

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: And they are serving a sentence for terrorism offenses. Is

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Speaker 2: that right?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct, And.

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Speaker 2: They have attacked other prisoners whilst they've been in custody, correct.

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Hoskins said Patterson's cell was basic.

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Speaker 3: She has normal cell provisions, things like television, room for

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Speaker 3: her personal items. I understand she has. She's a keen

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Speaker 3: crocheer and she has a lot of woolen crochet equipment

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Speaker 3: in there. She has a computer. She has a computer

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Speaker 3: which she's had for some time, and that's in her cell.

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Speaker 3: She also has her own pillows. She has a number

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Speaker 3: of crocheted blankets that she's made herself. She has toiletries, books, magazines.

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Speaker 3: She has a hair straightener and a fan.

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Speaker 1: Hosking said improved conditions were available for prisoners once they'd

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Speaker 1: been sentenced, but until then Patterson wouldn't have access to

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Speaker 1: educational courses or other privileges. The point of all this

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Speaker 1: is to determine the length of Aaron Patterson's sentence and

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Speaker 1: whether she'll be allowed to apply for parole at any point.

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Speaker 1: In Victoria, the maximum sentence for murder is life, and

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Speaker 1: the Crimes Act says the standard sentence is twenty five

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Speaker 1: years if the victim is a civilian. The judge can

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Speaker 1: choose whether sentences are served concurrently or not, and when

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Speaker 1: she could apply for parole. It's generally accepted as a

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Speaker 1: sentencing principle that the court takes into account how hard

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Speaker 1: the offender is doing. Mandy told the judge Patterson was

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Speaker 1: having a hard time because she has autism and aspergers.

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Speaker 2: She does find it difficult because of that condition, because

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Speaker 2: she finds it difficult to cope with changes in routine

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Speaker 2: and the kinds of things that afflict people with that disorder.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like there's much change, ah well, your honor,

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Speaker 2: but there are changes in routine on a minute by

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Speaker 2: minute basis. In that unit, you might be locked in

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Speaker 2: your cell with the door closed and no access to

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Speaker 2: anyone watching your TV, but mentally ill people come in

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Speaker 2: next door and start screaming and yelling. People moving up

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Speaker 2: intercom's abuse staff members. There are changes to routine on

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Speaker 2: a minute by minute basis which are never palatable as

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Speaker 2: far as the prisoner is concerned. It's a relative context

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Speaker 2: for her life, we say. Rather than mitigating the offending

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Speaker 2: in any way.

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Speaker 1: Mandy said he was asking for a non parole period

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Speaker 1: to be said, which would mean Patterson does get the

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Speaker 1: chance to apply for early release if she's of good behavior.

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Speaker 2: Consistently with the jury's verdict, there can be no argument

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Speaker 2: that the acts were deliberate and the intention was to kill.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Jane Warren said the Crown doesn't believe Patterson should

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Speaker 1: be eligible for parole at any point.

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Speaker 4: There was an elaborate attempt to cover up her offenses,

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Speaker 4: and that is, in our submission, indicative of a complete

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Speaker 4: absence of regret or remorse, and complete indifference. In our

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Speaker 4: submissions to the victims and the families, we submit, your

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Speaker 4: Honor can be satisfied it is properly described as worst

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Speaker 4: category offending. It is a crime that is so cruel

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Speaker 4: and so horrific that, in our submission, the offender is

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Speaker 4: not deserving of this court's mercy.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that the offending here is horrendous.

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Speaker 4: Well, for those reasons, Your Honor, we make the submission

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Speaker 4: that fixing of a non parole period is not appropriate.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Miss Warren.

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Speaker 1: Coming up the moving Victim Impacts statements of Aaron Patterson's victims.

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Speaker 1: If you scroll back in your feed for the front,

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Speaker 1: you'll see we made a full episode about the remarkable

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Speaker 1: victim impact statements that were read in court on Monday.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Ellie Dudley, who's covered this whole trial.

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Speaker 1: I found Ian Wilkinson's statement in particular very very sad.

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Speaker 5: It was a really challenging listen. He said that he

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Speaker 5: was suddenly single. He said that he no longer had

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Speaker 5: somebody to debrief about his day at the end of

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Speaker 5: the day. And you know, he no longer took joy

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Speaker 5: because the silence that she had left was deafening. The

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Speaker 5: other interesting part about Ian Wilkinson's victim impact statement is

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Speaker 5: the forgiveness that he gave erin He said that Aaron

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Speaker 5: has now become a victim of his kindness because he's

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Speaker 5: chose and to forgive her, and that he hopes that

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Speaker 5: she will spend her time in prison thinking about how

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Speaker 5: to become a better person.

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Speaker 1: We heard from Dawn Patterson's one hundred year old mother, Martha.

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Speaker 1: Her statement was read by another family member. What a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was something that Justice Beeal drew on

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Speaker 5: four generations. Often these things are characterized as a ripple effect,

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Speaker 5: but he said this is more like a tsunami. There

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Speaker 5: are four generations of people who have been deeply impacted

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Speaker 5: by Aaron Patterson's cruel offending, and that's obviously something he's

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Speaker 5: going to take into account when it comes to her sentencing.

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Speaker 5: With Simon Patterson, he didn't read out his victim impact

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Speaker 5: statement in court. Why do you think that's something he

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Speaker 5: may have chosen not to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was read by a cousin. Perhaps he thought

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Speaker 1: he couldn't hold it together emotionally, and during that reading

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Speaker 1: I thought his statement was interesting. Simon Patterson has throughout

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Speaker 1: this process been extremely dignified. When he was giving evidence

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Speaker 1: his belief that she had tried to poison him on

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Speaker 1: multiple occasions before she successfully poisoned his family. In the

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Speaker 1: a highly intelligent woman and someone who he still loved

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Speaker 1: and had loved very deeply. I thought that at this time,

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Speaker 1: really thought. You know, Aaron tried to kill me. Aaron

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Speaker 1: was an abusive partner. There was kind of none of that.

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Speaker 1: He was very bitter about the media's interest in his

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Speaker 1: interrupted by people trying to get them to talk. There

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Speaker 1: were glimmers of joy as well, weren't there. He said

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Speaker 5: He did focus quite heavily on those children. He spoke

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Speaker 5: about how as a family, the three of them, you know,

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Speaker 5: they're adjusting to living in a home with solo parent.

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Speaker 5: These children are adjusting to trying to understand who their

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Speaker 5: mother is and knowing that their mother killed their grandparents

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Speaker 5: and that's something that everyone in their entire community knows.

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Speaker 5: But as you said, he described his children as very

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Speaker 5: strong and said that they're hurdles that they're getting together

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Speaker 5: as a family and are well supported in doing so.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a real microdrop moment when Ruth Dubois,

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Speaker 1: who is the daughter of Heather and Ian Wilkinson, made

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Speaker 1: her statement and she said, you know, as a mother,

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Speaker 1: statement by addressing Aaron Patterson directly saying I cannot believe that,

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Speaker 1: as a mother, you have chosen to expose your children

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Speaker 1: to this. I was glad to hear that, you know,

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Speaker 5: Think that throughout these victim impacts, a lot of the

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Speaker 5: emotions that a lot of people would have been feeling

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Speaker 5: were said out loud. Now this is an opportunity for

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Speaker 5: this family, who clearly believed that Aaron Patterson committed these crimes,

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Speaker 5: to say exactly the way that they had impacted them.

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Speaker 1: Should be back in court on September the eighth at

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Speaker 1: nine point thirty. Am Ellie, you'll be covering it live.

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Speaker 1: Have you got a tip for what that sentence might be?

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be foolish enough to even guess, Claire.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you then. The Australian subscribers will be

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Speaker 1: the first to know when Pattison is sentenced, and they'll

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