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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Bounce Forward with me Tip Paul.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: on which I'm recording this podcast, the Wurundri people of

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Speaker 1: the Cooler Nation. I pay my respects to elders past

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Speaker 1: and present. Today I have a very exciting guest and

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Speaker 1: friend on my show. Kate Langbrook is one of Australia's

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Speaker 1: most beloved and unique media personalities. Her career has spanned

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Speaker 1: primetime television, top rating, breakfast and drive time radio, acting,

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Speaker 1: scriptwriting and journalism. She is a dear friend of mine

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Speaker 1: for over twenty years. She's also worked as a screenwriter

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Speaker 1: on shows such as Neighbors, Altogether, Now and Full Frontal.

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Speaker 1: You can find Kate as a regular co host on

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Speaker 1: The Project and on her podcast The Buck Up.

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Speaker 2: Kate.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bounce Forward. Kate, thank you for joining me

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Speaker 1: on Bounce Forward. I'm so excited have you in studio.

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Speaker 1: I guess in the spirit a Bounce Forward, it's all

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Speaker 1: about moms, women advocating for mums and women, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start by asking you a question about your children,

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Speaker 1: because you're a mom of four. How did things change

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Speaker 1: mentally and physically for you after you had your children,

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Speaker 1: because I'm on number two and I can't imagine four

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Speaker 1: four times, Like.

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Speaker 2: Just wow, well, time is slightly different, isn't it. It

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Speaker 2: is you know the first time. These the novelty of it, yes,

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Speaker 2: which I think carries you through a lot. Yeah. But

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Speaker 2: I wasn't like you so physically. I wasn't fit before

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Speaker 2: I got pregnant, and you know, we used to have

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Speaker 2: discussions about, you know, fitness all the time. Yeah, you're very,

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Speaker 2: very gently encouraging. But and then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know how they go nine months on nine months?

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Speaker 1: Ye?

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Speaker 2: Well I was like, you know, it takes longer, thirty

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Speaker 2: five years on, yeah, five years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But psychologically I was so happy, Yes, so happy, even

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Speaker 2: though there were elements of it that are difficulty confronting,

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Speaker 2: I guess, and particularly for modern women because it's really

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Speaker 2: for many the first time in your life. I think

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Speaker 2: that you're dependent on your partner for everything, possibly even

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Speaker 2: financially or whatever, and that you're so vulnerable. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: we're kind of a bit hardwired now to be invulnerable,

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Speaker 2: like crying on TikTok for long yeah, yeah, whatever, But

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Speaker 2: that's a true, that physical vulnerability, the exhaustion, and that

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Speaker 2: really is where I think you work out what your

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Speaker 2: partner is made of. Yeah, and some people must get

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Speaker 2: a hell of an unpleasant surprise, you know, yes, But

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Speaker 2: I think I was so happy with the first one.

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Speaker 2: Then I was so happy that I said to Peter

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Speaker 2: when I was still in the hospital with Lewis our first,

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Speaker 2: I said, let's do it again, right, So we did. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So Sunday was like, I don't know, eighteen months after yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I had caesareans. Not too posture to push, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's how it turned out. Yep. And maybe too posture

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Speaker 2: my first caesarian was great. It was an emergency, but

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Speaker 2: it was great. I think by that stage I would

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Speaker 2: have been like, pulled the baby out of my nose, yeah, baby, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what the baby. And then my second caesarean was really bad, painful,

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Speaker 2: you know, just same scar. But again I think quite soon,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, nurse. And at some point I started

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Speaker 2: exercising and it's sort of changed things. But because I

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Speaker 2: was doing breakfast radio as well, Yes, I've found that

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Speaker 2: was so hard because you're kind of starting tied. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you trained with me. No, I'm like, it's trying to

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Speaker 2: get a not at all. OK No, but I'm just

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Speaker 2: not a It's one thing that I've addressed in life.

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Speaker 2: You know how you have to learn the same lessons

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Speaker 2: over and over again and then you die. I think

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Speaker 2: when you learn them, you die. You like mine is

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Speaker 2: about physical laziness or wanting to want it. Yes. I

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Speaker 2: to get to the gym. And at some point I went,

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Speaker 2: You're never going to be that. Yeah, just do it.

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Speaker 2: Stop waiting to like it. Yeah, it's like every other discipline. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then I got pregnant again. Yeah, and it kind

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And did you enjoy that kind of fitness

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Speaker 2: I loved it. And that was kind of an epiphany

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Speaker 2: to allow me. Whether I was putting that pressure on

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Speaker 2: And the other thing I learned was I just thought

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Speaker 2: if you dance for four hours a day, you're going

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Speaker 2: to get ripped fit as yeah. Yeah, And so I

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Speaker 2: was like, this is amazing. The actual dancing partner of

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Speaker 2: it was glorious. And then I got pregnant again and

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Speaker 2: then I don't know, a period of blurriness. Lois got

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Speaker 2: sick after our fourth yes, my eldest son, and so

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Speaker 1: Did that at all change your mindset on health? And lay?

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Speaker 2: How did that change things for you? Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting because that was when I started looking at

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Speaker 2: what it considered alternative treatments, which basically is supplements, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or just a different way. And the reason that I

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Speaker 2: started was because we were losing with Lewis, right, it

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Speaker 2: was really, really terrible, and so I went to see.

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Speaker 1: And because he was six, yeah, he was six when

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Speaker 2: unvaccinated children, which we had three because they weren't they

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Speaker 2: hadn't made all their vaccines. Yeah, and just one terrible

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Speaker 2: went to see Professor Avenue Sally, whose son then went

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Speaker 2: on to do Swiss vitamins. And he had been like

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Speaker 2: Hospital and then he became interested in, you know, alternat

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Speaker 2: therapies or whatever. And when I told our oncologists that

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Speaker 2: cat seeing it to reflect, it was like that, unlike it.

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Speaker 2: And all I asked was to get his vitamin D

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Speaker 2: to do juju ceremony, boiling chickens, that of blood. So

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Speaker 2: at that time it was considered so anyway, and my

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Speaker 2: husband and I came to an arrangement that I would

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Speaker 2: not do anything or give him anything without first checking

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Speaker 2: okay thinking and let me hasten to add modern medicine

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Speaker 2: saved my son's life. I'm not I'm not negating that,

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Speaker 2: but what the other treatments that we started helped him

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Speaker 2: to tolerate the treatment because, as you know, the treatments

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Speaker 2: also kill you. They killed the cancer and they can

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Speaker 2: kill you, so anyway, so that sort of started me.

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Speaker 2: I think becoming CUE is about things fasting. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I get in the cryo chamber every Saturday. I love it,

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Speaker 2: love it. And we've been doing that about years. Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And Hughes of course, has now started cold water swimming

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Speaker 2: and trying to tell me how good it is. Engaged.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be telling you, yeah, mate, because I've been

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Speaker 2: saying for years, hop in the cryo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of results you feel from the cry Like,

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Speaker 1: would you personally feel from it? Energy?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, energy like the first probably two or three

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Speaker 2: hours afterwards you're like, it is like it's a natural

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Speaker 2: high as all the endorphins come rushing and it's really great.

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Speaker 2: And we've I've also turned it into a social thing

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Speaker 2: and we just it's just a really beautiful ritual. Yes,

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Speaker 2: is the place we do it. It actually is called ritual yeah,

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Speaker 2: by Hacking, so and it is a ritual for us.

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Speaker 2: That's great. And it's a self care kind of yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, like that's really important that you have that

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Speaker 1: because I know you work and you've got your family

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Speaker 1: and there's so much that you have going on. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that that you talk to guests

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Speaker 2: I'm always like, oh, it sounds like such a formal thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that's really little thing. Yoga yeap has been amazing really.

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Speaker 2: Found out I've got scoliosis. Apparently I've always had it. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, but so yoga is just so fantastic, like

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Speaker 2: beautiful way of putting it. So good. And then I

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Speaker 2: think I changed my attitude towards the responsibilities of the home,

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Speaker 2: so you know how easy it is to be angry. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: a real grind. It's an honor. We know that in

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Speaker 2: this scheme. But it's also can leach the marrow out

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Speaker 2: and I don't know why. So then I just started,

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Speaker 2: my children. You know, everything's a teachable moment, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I wasn't really listening to my

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Speaker 2: own advice. Not that I think they probably noticed, but

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Speaker 2: I noticed in myself. So I was never like a

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Speaker 2: snapper or a snarler. Yeah, not too often, but to myself,

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is I just want to go

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Speaker 2: back to bed or done it anyway. So that changed

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Speaker 2: things as well, and I think obviously I had We

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Speaker 2: had a good outcome with Lewis. Yes, we moved to Italy. Yes,

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Speaker 2: together we had a grand adventure and in a grand adventure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the children are really beautiful and have benefited from the

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Speaker 2: time that we have chosen and prioritized just been with

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Speaker 2: them and just sometimes you just say a little reward,

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Speaker 2: like when your kid says thank you to a stranger

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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god, repetition have worked, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, because the grind, it's it's something that everyone listening

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Speaker 1: is just like, man, what's for dinner? Like I'm really

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Speaker 1: in the all the school activities and the extracurricular activities

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Speaker 1: and the birthday parties that I'm running Arnold around too,

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Speaker 1: and a two year old that needs so much from me,

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Speaker 1: all independent, nappy. Still like it's really such a grind,

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Speaker 1: and you feel guilty then if you take any time

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Speaker 2: And there's so much to do, when there's so much,

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Speaker 2: No one wants to say, you're so Rightate, Oh now

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Speaker 2: I've got to do this. I'm working for cools, yes exactly,

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Speaker 2: and they don't pay me. Yes right, Yeah, anyway, all

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Speaker 2: not the pathway that leads to happiness.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just going to leave that chat right there

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Speaker 1: with Kate. It's such an awesome chat and I will

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Speaker 1: be back again with part two of our conversation. Thanks

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