1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Pit Talk brought to you by Shannon's. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: Cars are our passion, building, restoring or modifying. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: It's about making it our own. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 3: It's an obsession. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 4: Shannons know what it's worth. 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 3: That's why the agreed value includes all your modifications. 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 4: Get a quote online today. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 5: This is the moment, then, that we've all been waiting 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 5: for for in a romax. 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 3: Here comes Oscar Pstree, Lando Norrith. 11 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: They aren't playing hardball out there at the moment, Steve 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: Pipchaol Moment of twenty twenty. 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: Four, Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: by Shannon's. On today's episode, Oscar Piastree wins his fourth 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: Grand Prix in five races to extend he's advantage atop 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: the driver's championship standings and with McLaren scoring its biggest 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: victory of the season yet, is there any hope for 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: any of its would be rivals. My name is Michael Lomonado. 19 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your company, and I'm thankful for 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: the company as well of my co host. He knows 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: exactly where you going to be in the first weekend 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: of May in twenty forty one, it's Matt Clayton. 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: Oh boy, the Miami Grand Prix extension as I approach 24 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: pension age was a little confronting over the course of 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: the weekend. But six am Monday morning Australian time Formula one. 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: There should be more of this. I think I don't 27 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: mind it. Breakfast Grand Prix. I'm gonna say twenty forty 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: one Miami extension. I was alarmed to find Kimi Antonelli 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: will still be younger than I am now. Oh no, 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: when that contract is up for a new all again dress. 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: Not to dwell on these things, I suppose as to 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: Unstown on the Miami Grand Prix, which Oscar piastre Wine's 33 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: third race in a row, as I think we foreshadowed 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: last week, first Australian to do that since Alan Jones 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine, long time ago. And that's of 36 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: course a reflection not only on his form, but of 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: course McLaren sawman. We'll get to the Constructor's Championship picture 38 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: a little bit later. I want to throw a few 39 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: one I like a good stat You can read these 40 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: on Fox sports dot com dot Au as well. 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: First McLaren driver twin three in a row since. 42 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 5: Mika Hacken correct in ninety eight, I believe, yes, seven 43 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 5: to eight. Yes, last McLaren driver to do so in 44 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 5: one season since go on i Aton Center nineteen ninety one. 45 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: Wow, really remarkable things. 46 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: The lead of sixteen points now over Orlando Norris, and 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: I actually found myself struggling to describe this win a 48 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: little bit in terms different to his past few wins, 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: because it was pretty cool and controlled. But I guess 50 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: the difference being that rather than starting on the front row, 51 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: it was starting from fourth, survived the carnage and still got. 52 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: It done well. 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: It's that weird stat about this Grand Prix where it 54 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: hasn't been one from the front pier, which is a 55 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: strange thing at a circuit where you would expect the 56 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: races to be pretty perfunctory. But look, it did owe 57 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: itself to a confluence of circumstances, which I'm sure we'll 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: get into in those opening laps. But one thing I 59 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: think we can see with Oscar is when there is 60 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: a chance to win a race, he doesn't apologize it's 61 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: for taking it and takes it and doesn't let it go. 62 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: And this is one of the traits that we've now seen. 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: But six Grand Prix wins now, and you put this 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: in the context of recent Australian Formula One history. Daniel 65 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: Riccardo won eight Grand Prix, Webber won nine Grand Prix. 66 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Oscar in a very very short space of time has 67 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: got himself to where he is and with so many 68 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: rounds to go this season and with McLaren clearly based 69 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: on Miami being the dominant car, this is not going 70 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: to be the last time we have this conversation. 71 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: I don't think. 72 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, a question is how many more in a row 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: he can win? Because I've got the stats locked away 74 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: for four and five in a rows. Don't worry. 75 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: We were emphasise them just yet, but it really was. 76 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: It didn't need a second asking really to take this victory. 77 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: And I guess we can go to some of the 78 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: battles here because there were the only two main battles here. 79 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: It was Oscar versus with stapp and then later Norris 80 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: versus was Stappen. And it's sort of interesting because while 81 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: we've become very used to seeing Oscar battling at the front, 82 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: it's very easy to forget the only third season in 83 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: the sport, and not just that, but for probably half 84 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: of that time, more than half that time, even really 85 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: the McLaren car hasn't been a car that's regularly fighting 86 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: for wins. Became a podium continder a couple of years ago, 87 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: and then late last year was the car that ultimately 88 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: won the constructors championship. But we therefore don't have the 89 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: history of piastre versus Verstappen that we do Norris as 90 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: with Stapen as just one example, and we saw a 91 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: little bit in Saudi Arabia. 92 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: Obviously that was really only one corner. 93 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: The corner a part of the story, and now he 94 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: saw a little bit more, much longer battle, much more 95 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: to and fro. But I was really impressed with the 96 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: way that he really tested Verstappan's defenses. I guess you 97 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: could argue with Staffan knew he probably wasn't going to 98 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: win strace anyway, but he still tried. 99 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 3: It's easy to pass with Stappen. 100 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: I really thought the way he thought his way through 101 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: it was really quite interesting in a good first or 102 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: early chapter in that battle. 103 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: What's interesting for me is he doesn't go for half 104 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: hearted moves or try to scare someone off the road 105 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: as you would within perhaps a less experienced driver. Verstapan 106 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: has a reputation of being possibly the most difficult past 107 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: in the person to pass in Formula one Esteban Okna, 108 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: which is another story altogether, but what was interesting for 109 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: me was that he didn't waste time and energy and 110 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: tire life and momentum going for things that. 111 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: Weren't quite there. 112 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: And the way he raced it was like he was 113 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: the more experienced party in the McLaren duo here, because 114 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: you can trust the way both of them ultimately made 115 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: their way past for Stappen Piastres was minimal attempts, maximum efficiency, 116 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: very very clean and calculating in turn one, and the 117 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: amount of time it took Norris to do the same 118 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: thing against an opponent in a weaker car. That really 119 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: was the race, because there wasn't a great deal between 120 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: the two of them when they were second and third 121 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: on the road. By the time Norris had made his 122 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: way past for Stappen and the McLaren's were in the 123 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: natural order they should have been in. That was the 124 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: race right there in that the margin was over eight seconds, 125 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: it had been I think about one point seven or 126 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: two point one, somewhere around that range. That was the race, 127 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: and it was Oscar's decisiveness in getting to where that 128 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: car should be relative to look. Norris has got more 129 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: history with Verstappen, and history in the first corner of 130 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: the first lap. But maybe it's because this is a 131 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: new fight that Oscar's having with Verstappen, and the rules 132 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: of engagement are a little bit more differently. Twice in 133 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: two weeks now we've seen Piastre come out ahead technically 134 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: head in air quotes after Saudi Arabia. Perhaps there's a 135 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: newness to this rivalry where Oscar's approaching it from a 136 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: more robust position. 137 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: Where it always feels to. 138 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Me that Norris is kind of on the defensive or 139 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: apologizing almost for putting his car in an attacking position. 140 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: And I always like to say this, Formula One cars 141 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: have body language. I know many people won't believe me 142 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: with this, but they do when they're being driven by 143 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: these two people against arrival like Vestappen, and that lap 144 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: what eleven to eighteen range of the race that wasn't 145 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: the race. 146 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: It's also a. 147 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: Sign of I think things to come in the championship, 148 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: because one thing we've seen with Oscar is decisive, gets 149 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: on with it, and Norris is sort of fluffing around 150 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, and whether he was the fast McLaren 151 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: or not over the remaining two thirds of the race 152 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: is a moot point because Pastre won the race on 153 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: at fourteen. 154 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's also worth remy. 155 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: It's three easy to retrofit different scenarios of this race 156 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: outcome without acknowledging simply that Oscar did better job. I mean, 157 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: that's it's very Reare you get a race where the 158 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: driver did the better job overall? 159 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: Doesn't because it's kind of the point of multiple lap events. 160 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Yes, not qualifying where someone does't gonta yellow flag INSI 161 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: I understand that perspective, But that difference between Piastrian and Norris, 162 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: I think is worth delving into a little bit. I 163 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: thought a couple of things were interesting that stood out. 164 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: One was after the fact, actually an interview. I think 165 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: it was with Sky Sports, but I think there are 166 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: other interviews as well where he was asked this question 167 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: about the difference in approach between him and Piastre. Battling 168 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: was stappened. I took him a certain number of laps 169 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: and it was really quite testy about it. Didn't really 170 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: want to answer one word answers really, and there is 171 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: that element of people don't always see this, but there's 172 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: often ten or twenty TV crews all asking the same 173 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: question if that was the last one. It's probably answered 174 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: this many times, as has had enough of ask people 175 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: asking on why didn't you do it faster? So I 176 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: kind of get that, but I think there's still an 177 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: insight there because we've already talked to the season up 178 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: to this point. That's psychological difference between these two drivers, 179 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: and that's where this championship, assuming is it probably will 180 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: be just between them, is going to be one and 181 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: loss because the machinery is equal, they're both very talented. 182 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: It's going to be in their approaches. This for staff 183 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: and difference. 184 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: Is really interesting as well because of all of the drivers, 185 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: he's going to be the one that pops up most 186 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: often as a blocking factor, I guess as a bit 187 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: of a wild card, and that history between Norris and 188 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: verstapp and I think makes it very interesting because you're right, 189 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: it seemed like the way he was battling him underlined 190 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: the baggage he carries into this championshi because it was 191 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: going to be a Norris Verstappen championship, right that was 192 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: the preview, and then actually the guy who's leading the 193 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: championship already up the road. That for me is going 194 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: to be quite interesting. I guess third element is going 195 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: to play into this title. 196 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: Fight baggage and history and precedent. I guess you want 197 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: to have it out to that because obviously last year 198 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: we had the Orlando Norris championship charge quotes for seconds 199 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: on this episode there wasn't really one. It was more 200 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: theoretical than practical really, But whenever the Stapen felt like 201 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: he was in a position of vulnerability, his elbows were very, 202 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: very wide because I think he deep down thinks that 203 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: he can intimidate or bully Norris, because Norris has come 204 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: off second best in so many of these things and 205 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: has spoken very openly about the psychological part of it game. 206 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 4: Piastre is and this is meant as a compliment. 207 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Piastre is so robotic when it comes to these sorts 208 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: of things, like robots generally don't have feelings, as I'm 209 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: sure there were, but that really plays in his favor 210 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: here because I'm not sure for stapfan quite knows how 211 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: Piastre is going to react in one of these situations 212 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: because Oscar is so level, and so you don't know 213 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: whether he's going to be pumped up about it or 214 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: depressed if it goes wrong. He is so flatlined most 215 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: of the time, and he's probably a more difficult opponent 216 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: to read. And we know what Max's default setting is 217 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: with this. He's going to be very, very aggressive. He's 218 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: going to take things to the absolute edge of acceptability 219 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: and occasionally over as we've seen in the past, you know, 220 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: we've had to rewrite rules because of the way he 221 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: defends and the way he attacks. But it's new with Oscar. 222 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of history between the two of them. 223 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: But I think Oscar is just so flatlined and composed 224 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: in these sorts of situations, and there's a decisiveness that 225 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying about the way he's driving at the moment, 226 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: because yes, he is relatively in Formula one terms inexperience. 227 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: It was only a year ago that. 228 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: McLaren winning Racist for the first time at this very 229 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: grand Prix in Miami. You look at how much the 230 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: game has moved on since then. But as the stakes 231 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: have been raised, I think Piastre is rising with those 232 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: and that's why he has this championship advantage right. 233 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: Now, it's a power dynamic there as well, right like 234 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: if you think about the personal relations personal professional relationships 235 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: might be a better way to describe it, is Niris, 236 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: I think you sort of alluded to it there. In 237 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: his battles with Max's usually ended up apologizing for something. 238 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: I was saying that Max was not in the wrong 239 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: for anything. You know, maybe it tipped over a little 240 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: bit in Mexico last year, but Max was so obviously 241 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: in the wrong there that saying anything else would have 242 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: been ridiculous. And then the opposite, you have Piastre, and 243 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the interactions they have. The 244 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: only one I could think of was last weekend in 245 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, after Max had been defeated, saying, Oscar's doing 246 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: a great job, he's professional, he's got the stuff of 247 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: a world champion. 248 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: Words to that effect. There's an obvious. 249 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: Dynamic there that's very different for those two different sides 250 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: of this happen. 251 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Piastre in Verstappen. You wouldn't necessarily 252 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: put them in the same basket of driver, but they 253 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: actually are. When you think about the uncomplicated nature with 254 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: which they go racing. It's quite black and white. There's 255 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: not a massive amount of nuance. You're right, you're wrong, 256 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: you move on. There's none of this emotional bagage and 257 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: oh what about this and thinking about things that have 258 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: happened through races in the past. They're actually pretty similar 259 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways in that they're just very 260 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: uncomplicated and matter complicated. A matter of fact, this is 261 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: the way I'm going racing at this corner, at this 262 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: moment in time, and then we move on. And as 263 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: much as the Stappan would have been filthy with the 264 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: way that Piastre made that pass to take the lead 265 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: of the race in Miami, there would have been almost 266 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: a begrudging appreciation. I think of the fact that while 267 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: I could have seen me doing that to somebody as well, 268 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: he for stapp and verstappend in that respect, but it 269 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: was clean and it was clinical and there was no 270 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: room for ambiguity, and we just moved on. And I 271 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: think they're actually very similar in terms of racing personality 272 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: in there outside of the car. 273 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 4: Who would know. 274 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be having barbecues at 275 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: each other's places anytime soon, But in terms of a 276 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: pational respect between two people that go about it very 277 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: very similarly. I think you can see that building and 278 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: those the staff and comments in Saudi were notable because 279 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: that's not the sort of thing Max tends to say 280 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: about arrival. 281 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: Is it? No? Very fatherly? 282 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: You might say, well, perhaps he's did a practice. 283 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: I suppose, yes, ahead of time. 284 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: I guess one other talking what I want to take 285 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: us to hear was the only controversy of the race, 286 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: I suppose, which was that Norris and Verstappen run in 287 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: on the first lap, not the first time we had 288 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: a first corner, not Steward's investigation. 289 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: Of course, we go back to the sprint. 290 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: It was Antonelli versus Piastre, Piastri coming off ahead there 291 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: and the Steward's deciding there was no case to answer, 292 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: which I think was correct. But the newest thing was 293 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: a little bit more contentious, perhaps not from the stewarding angle. 294 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of debates since then about whether 295 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: the rights and wrongs of Norris having an. 296 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: Attempt around turn two sparked off a little bit. 297 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: It's got to be said by team principle Andrea Stello, 298 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: who said afterwards that in hindsight, he probably shouldn't have 299 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: tried to pass for Stapfen there, yes, which I thought 300 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: was a little bit interesting. I think we've probably got 301 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,239 Speaker 2: to remember that Andrea Steller is an engineer, and there's 302 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any naivity with him in the media. 303 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: But I think what he said, should he just be 304 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: taken literally, which is yes in hindsight, shouldn't have done 305 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: it numerically yes, exactly right, But there has been debate 306 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: about it. Norah said afterwards he was damned if he 307 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: did or didn't in terms of the response, and I 308 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: think that's probably right. 309 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: He would have had critics either way. What was your 310 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: take on it. 311 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: Should he care about the response? 312 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: No, I don't think response. He knew there, But that's 313 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: my question. Should he be factoring in that they should know? 314 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Should he 315 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: care about the response? He should be caring about that 316 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: Quarner at that moment in time. Interestingly, the similar pass 317 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: that you mentioned in the sprint probably a little less 318 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: hysteria from the commentary than we saw in the Grand Prix. 319 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: But that's another podcast, isn't it. But I thought it 320 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: was interesting the stellar. Comments for me were interesting too 321 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: because right now that McLaren is the fastest car in 322 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: Formula one and by long way, and it took eighteen 323 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: laps for them to get one two what they did 324 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: in the next thirty nimes until we got through the 325 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: checkered flag, it's the most dominant one to McLaren's had 326 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: since two thousand and seven, and that was with and 327 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: that was with spending the first eighteen laps of the 328 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: race not in their natural position. So what Andrea Stella 329 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: says makes complete sense. It is that you've got such 330 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: a car advantage here. You know, you're up against an 331 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: opponent that is on the first lap of the race 332 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: where things that it's not anything goes, but it's not 333 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: far off a lot of time. Maybe you should have 334 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: bided your time. At the end of the first lap 335 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: of that race. Leto Norris was sixth because he'd also 336 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: been overtaken by Alex Albon later on that first lap, 337 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: which was unseen by the TV cameras, So. 338 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: Should he have sat there, you know, sat it out 339 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: for that first. 340 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: Lap knowing that you're probably going to have a car 341 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: it's certainly a entire advantage in that weather in Miami 342 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: where the McClaren works better in hot conditions. 343 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: We've seen that. 344 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Or you know, do you let the emotion of a 345 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: first corner, first lap overtake get in the way of 346 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: what you probably should be doing in that particular car. 347 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: That was interesting for me. And again we're not going 348 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: to know the answer to this, but how does Oscar 349 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: Piastri play that? 350 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: Now? 351 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: We saw a very very different set of circumstances in 352 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: Saudi where Piastre got fantastic start and for stuff and 353 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: didn't give the first corner up and copt the penalty 354 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: for it. But given the car advantage, they had a 355 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: little short side of. 356 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, it's actually put to me the sort of 357 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: anything today. The question of how the mentality will change 358 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: once you know the championship really starts to boil down. 359 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: It's a long way away obviously, and. 360 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: The risk taking approach, and it really depends on how 361 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: early a the McLaren drivers want to admit to themselves 362 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: that it's just between them, But by that same token, 363 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: they still has to be risk taking, right because it's 364 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: going to be very close between them. We've got dichotomy here, right, 365 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: Like Lando took risks that were probably a little bit 366 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: against him in terms of odds. Piastre's risks all seemed 367 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: to be or he makes them in his favor. 368 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: I suppose, yes. 369 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: I wonder how that'll play out over time, but eighteen 370 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: more rounds to find out, plenty of time. Let's move 371 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: on now, though, to move of the week, brought to 372 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: you by Shannon's to my mind, Matt, with only one 373 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: Grand Prix obviously of the course of the weekend, but 374 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: it's you been Supercars coming up this weekend. There was 375 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: really only one move for this category. That was the 376 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: move for the lead from Oscar Piastri on Max for 377 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: Staff and for all the reasons I've already talked about. 378 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: Really it was decisive, it was analytical. I think the 379 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: way he approached it we have a direct comparison with 380 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: Teammatelando Norris. He was certainly much cleaner, it was faster. 381 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: It was everything we know about Oscar Piastri in the 382 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: way he wins races and it's extended his championship league. 383 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: And it was a move down the inside of Max Fastadi, 384 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: not on the outside, because if you try and pass 385 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: Max to staffin on the outside of a corner, there's 386 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: a fair chance you'll be getting acquainted with a runoff 387 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: on the outside of said corner. But low hanging fruit 388 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: by you, but a good choice. I'm going a little 389 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: left field here because I like doing this to you. Yes, 390 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying move of the week is probably Olioaks, the 391 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: Alpine team principalcanning his post race press availability at the 392 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: last minute and high tailing it for the jet to 393 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: go back to Europe. 394 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: At the same time, that story. 395 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Started to emerge that perhaps Jack Dowin's tenure at Alpine 396 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: was looking a little shaky. Now, I don't want to 397 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: link one with the other here, but it's not too 398 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: if that's the reason he's canceled the post race availability, 399 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: no good. Yeah, but there's a wider story here, isn't 400 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: here with Jack doing because then he's looking a little tenuous. 401 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, not for the first time this season. But the 402 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: reports are recording this on Monday night from the website 403 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: the Race, that Alpin's seriously considering removing Jack from the 404 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: cockpit to replace him with reserve driver Franco Colopinto. Now, 405 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: if you cast your minds back to the preseason, there 406 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: was already a rumor to that effect that it would 407 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: have been done before the Miami Grand Prix. Obviously that 408 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: didn't happen. And Jack's been confident every time I've spoken 409 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: to him, certainly and every time he spoken to the media, 410 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: that these rumors are just noise, that they're without foundation. 411 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: He's got the season because that's what's in his contract, 412 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: and Franco's contract is that he's a reserve driver. So 413 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: it's not the first time this story has come up, 414 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: but certainly there are a series of factors here that 415 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: have alluded to it. There was a rumor on Friday 416 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: which the team attempted to quash because of a hot 417 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: mic moment from one of Franco Colobindow's major sponsor, the 418 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: Argentine Oil Company, saying that he would be in the 419 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: car for Riumuler, which is the next race. The sponsor 420 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: walked that back and said, that's just what they wanted 421 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: to seek for me. And this is something Oliver Oaks, 422 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: the team principle, has done all year, is that he 423 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: only went. 424 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: Five percent of the way of questioning the rumor. 425 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: He said, yes, it's all noise, and then he used 426 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: the political language that today Jack is our driver, which 427 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: is something you never really want to hear and does 428 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: seem a little bit concerning. I mean, there's two ways 429 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: of looking at it. 430 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: Right. 431 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: There have been rumors all year and they haven't come true. 432 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: But this seems like a fresh rumor and a couple 433 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: of elements that seem to make it added. 434 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: Up ninety to ninety five percent is kind by you. Yeah, 435 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: but look, this whole season has been this non endorsement, 436 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: endorsement of a driver that Alpine has poured a lot 437 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: of money and time into testing a previous Cars program. 438 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: He was basically set up to stumble from the moment 439 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: that he got the gig the last race of last year, 440 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: let alone the start of this year. It was being 441 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: spun that, well, it'll be good to get him in 442 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: the car and getting used to a race weekend and 443 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: estabanock On's off to Haarsen, it's all fine. I'm not 444 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: sure he was ever really put in a position to 445 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: maximize what it is that he could or could not 446 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: do in this car. But if you're saying that you 447 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: know is our driver today, if this is a decision 448 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: that perhaps has been arrived at because of lap one 449 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: of one race, six races into the season, then it 450 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: surely isn't that. It's surely something that's been decided well beforehand. 451 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: I don't think you can have this as the straw 452 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back. You know, Jack's had some 453 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: good performances. You have qualified Pierre Ghastly for a Grand 454 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: Prix for the first time. Alpine's not been particularly good 455 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: anyway anywhere and doesn't matter who's driving it. But there 456 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: are green shoots of progress there. But the whole time 457 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: it's felt that he's sort of on death row with this, 458 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: and if that's the decision that tips him out, I'm 459 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: not really sure everyone's been completely honest here. 460 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean fundamentally whether or not this rumor is true. 461 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: The fact that no one's been able to all season, 462 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: including this weekend, categorically deny it, whether they leave early 463 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: from the race weekend or not. I think he's just 464 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: kind of ordinary from the team for a driver. Again, 465 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 2: like you say that it's invested a lot of money 466 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: and it's their junior driver. You know, there is president 467 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: for rookies being dropped early, but Jack has not been 468 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: anyway need boad enough to be dropped earlier. There have 469 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: been signs that you say, green shoots that he's actually doing. 470 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: Okay's one light pace is pretty good certainly from expectations. 471 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: It will be a pity if that were to come true. 472 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: But like we said, like Jack will tell you, there 473 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: are in a lot of rumors this season that haven't 474 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: come true. In fact, he kind of predicted this. He said, well, 475 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: now that I'm here in Miami, there's gonna be another room. 476 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 2: I'm going to be replaced by the next trace, and 477 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: low and behold, there has been but not that right. 478 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: There certainly have. 479 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: Been reports from reputable sources, and we'll have to wait 480 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: and see. In a fourth to night's fortnight's time for 481 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: the Amdia Romagna Grand Prix. But Matt, let's move on. 482 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: We'll move backwards to the Miami Grand Prix again because 483 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: there's a broad a picture here beyond the drivers championship. 484 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: But that is McLaren's domination of this Grand Prix. 485 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: It was more than half a minute over the next 486 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: quickest car, which was George Russell's Mercees and he was 487 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: also no one usedly unfortunate, but look at the VSC 488 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: at various points. In short, he got up to third. 489 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: I think the gap probably could have been more than that. 490 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: In other circumstances, and it begs a question where six 491 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: rounds in at the quarter point of the season good 492 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: a point is any to take a little bit of 493 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: stock before we hit into that long European leg of 494 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: the campaign which has Canada in it. For some reason 495 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: about how the season is going. In terms of the teams, 496 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: we expect that to be four front running teams. They 497 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: kind of are McClaren's ahead of all of them, no, 498 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: pretty confidently. This was its biggest winning margin of the season, 499 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: more than twice as large as its previous one, which 500 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: was the Barrangn pri which Oscar also won. Kind of 501 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: makes you wonder what the point for the other teams are. 502 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: I want to go through them really briefly, and then 503 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: I also want to highlight Ferrari here because they'd a 504 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: story on their own. 505 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: Maxstappen took pole. 506 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: It's only interesting statistic because he's the most successful pole 507 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: getter of the season so far. He's got four from 508 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: six really good over one lap or and McLaren drives 509 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: a bit sketchy over one lap. But Red Bull modice 510 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: board advisor Helmet Marco called it depressing and an example 511 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: of the real speed of the McLaren car. 512 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: Is that the case for Red Bull Racing? 513 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: Well, obviously Max has been free to speak his mind 514 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: so far this year and often has. But where is 515 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: it the poll or is it the race performance? For 516 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: you that's more representative. 517 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: It's not been depressing for one weekend, it's been depressing 518 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: six rounds. Really, what Max is doing is what the 519 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: true greats do, and that you are transcending the natural 520 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: performance of a car. And you can do that over 521 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: one lap, but you can't do it over three hundred. 522 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 4: And five kilometers. It's not possible. 523 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: What he's doing on Saturdays at the moment is one 524 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite storylines of the season because it's ridiculous 525 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: in a lot of respects is that car has no 526 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: business in terms of quality being at the front of 527 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: the grid. What Max is doing is outperforming the machinery 528 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: by a massive, massive extent. So that's a great storyline, 529 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: but it's also not particularly sustainable in terms of you're 530 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: always sitting yourself up to be disappointed in the Grand 531 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: Prix because you're doing amazing things. And yes, the McLaren 532 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: guys have made a couple of mistakes here and there, 533 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: and we saw that in Japan. That was race defining. 534 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: It's the reason that the Stapen won that race because 535 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: he took a brilliant poll on Saturday and at a 536 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: circuit where you can't really pass, make no mistakes, and 537 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: that's the difference, whereas other tracks where you can overtake. 538 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: The McLaren advantage is so great at the moment. But 539 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: you mentioned Miami, it was the perfect storm of track layout, temperature, 540 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: no one else really being in the mix to fight 541 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: for anything. And I think the wide part of this 542 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: conversation now is and we've discussed this before on the pod, 543 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: it's part of this maturity of rule set where there's 544 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: a lot of teams that have one eye or perhaps 545 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: if you're Aston Martin, both eyes and every other body 546 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: part on twenty twenty six, and this massive rule change. 547 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: The incentive for other teams that are trailing McLaren right 548 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: now other than Redbaurn will get to that to really 549 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: push on with twenty twenty five at the expense of 550 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: twenty six is basically zero. Red Bull is different here 551 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: because we suspect there are performance clauses in Max for 552 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: Stapfen's contract that he may be able to wriggle himself 553 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: out of so he should, you know, if he wants 554 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: to do that. If Red bulline in a certain position 555 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: in drivers and Constructors' championships, they have probably the best 556 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: driver in Formula One right now. I think Max is 557 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: driving perhaps better than he's ever driven right now, and 558 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: he scored ninety nine of their one hundred and eight 559 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: points by himself. It's crazy, but nobody else is hugely 560 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: incentivized to push with the developing a car, and Williams 561 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: are an interesting conundrum here and get to them. So 562 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: you've got McClaren with two drivers in terrific form. They've 563 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: clearly hit the sweet spot with that car, and you've 564 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: got a maturity of rule set that the incentive for 565 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: someone else to invest a lot of time, effort and 566 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: money momentum to try and bridge that gap is dwindling 567 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: by the week. And so I think we're going to 568 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: have a really exciting drivers Championship, but the Constructors Championship, 569 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest, that thing's done. 570 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 571 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: Well, I want to contrast perhaps even those two teams. 572 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: Mercedes has always been thereabouts, had a little bit of a 573 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: wobble last time out. George Russell got another podium though 574 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: he's driving a really high level, fantastic level. 575 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: We'll get to. 576 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: Andrea cami out to know it a little bit later 577 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: on as well, because he certainly deserves to mention. 578 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: After this weekend. 579 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: We contrasted with Ferrari because Ferrari is the team that 580 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: probably ended last year as fastest challenge with the Constructors Championship, 581 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: fell fourteen points short and really thought, and I certainly 582 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 2: thought a lot of people did, that they would kick 583 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: on in a way McLaren would have as well. 584 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 3: This year. 585 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: No one expected mcarn to dominate like this, and no 586 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: one certainly expected Ferrari to be this bombastic. I know 587 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 2: that sounds strange because it is Ferrari, but they seemed 588 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: like they were getting they're act together and this year 589 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: has felt like a little bit of a step backwards. 590 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 2: They were the fifth fastest car this weekend, behind Williams, 591 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, behind Alex Albon in the race, and 592 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: then also qualifying behind as well Lewis. Hamilton had a 593 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 2: particularly poor qualifying in twelve by position, but actually this 594 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: was one of his closest races to Charlotte Clair in 595 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: terms of qualifying time after those depressing races in the 596 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: Middle East and in Japan actually has closed the gap, 597 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: and you could tell from his body language was much 598 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: happy this weekend, but the result just wasn't. There was 599 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: also marred by totally unnecessary team order debate over radio, 600 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: where it made two team orders, one to swap Lewis 601 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: Hamilton ahead of the Claire and then to swap them back, 602 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: and the result was that neither of them caught Antonelli towards. 603 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: The end of the race. 604 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: To talk of that question about surely it's about twenty 605 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: twenty six now Ferrari must have absolutely or does it 606 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: have motivation to continue pressing because it's so upsetting the 607 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: results for Ferrari fans at this point or is it 608 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: really just twenty six has to. 609 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: Be hear well. 610 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: I think the good news was that they were so 611 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: irrelevant in this case that we didn't have to see 612 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: that god awful livery that they brought out from Miami 613 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: too often on their TV, So that was good. But look, 614 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: the good news is their two drivers are only three 615 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: seconds apart of the checkered flag. The bad news is 616 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: that Leclaire was fifty seven seconds off and Lowis Hamilton 617 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: was a full minute off. 618 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 4: The wins. 619 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: So they are just positioned absolutely nowhere at the moment, 620 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: and so because it's Ferrari, we expect better. And then 621 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: just the indecision and the mixed messaging and Lewis Hamilton 622 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: had the sarcasm button going on full blast through the 623 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: Miami Grand Periri's you know, would you like me to 624 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: let Carlos science passed as well? Like it was really 625 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: on good form in that respect. But it's a car 626 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: that we discussed this on last week's podcast. I think 627 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: Charlotte Claire is making that car do things that it 628 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't. Lewis Hamilton is getting adjusted to a new 629 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: team and a new culture, and you knew everything for 630 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: this season. If this is the pain you have to 631 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: go through to make twenty six more palatable, that's the 632 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: only thing that gives Ferrari a pass right now, because 633 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: if you're judging this in isolation, with the driver lineup 634 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: they've got and the resource that they have, this is 635 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: dreadful right now. And you mentioned being outpaced by Williams 636 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: and this is not nineteen ninety seven, Like this is 637 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: a conversation that was legitimate back when Mika hacken And 638 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: was doing his three straight three straight racers for McLaren. 639 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: That's a legit conversation that hasn't been a legit conversation 640 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: for years. But there was nothing in that race weekend 641 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: in Miami where you looked at Williams and said, this 642 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: is a product of good luck for Williams or circumstance. 643 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: They were better than Ferrari on merit in every measure, 644 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: and that's not a sentence that we should be saying 645 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. 646 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: Yes, Williams, interestingly enough, very much a side narrative to 647 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: this race, had their own team orders to barcle about 648 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: holding station and overtake. That happened when it shouldn't have. 649 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: I liked car this should have been overtaken. Carlos Signs's 650 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: attempt to pass out on the last my goodness, you've 651 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: been plowing him into the war and shocked they both 652 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: made it to the checker place. 653 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 1: It was one of those race weekends where teammates were 654 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: at each other the whole time. 655 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 4: I'm just hoping that you and I can get. 656 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Through this podcast or given kneecappy on the way out 657 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: of this, I think, okay. 658 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for just to sum up on the 659 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: Ferrari thing. I think you're right. If this is all 660 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: about twenty twenty six, then sometimes you've got a great 661 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: teeth at twenty four grand PERI in the season and 662 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: get it done. But I think for me, what's more 663 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: concerning the car pace, because you're right, it's the end 664 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: of the regulations. We're at this funny stage is regulations 665 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: we're getting. Any performance is really difficult. They've got an 666 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: upgrade coming for him Miller. Of course they do. It's 667 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: one of their home races, and maybe that'll at least 668 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 2: make the performance more respectable, because I think that's all 669 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: they can really aim for at this point. I'm not 670 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: expecting a massive revolution in terms of performance, but it's 671 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: that operational sharpness we'd come to get used to last 672 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: year where we thought, oh, this is the version of 673 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: Fray that's going to do it because they've got their 674 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: house in order in a way they hadn't for many years. 675 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: That has felt like a step backwards this year. And 676 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to doubt Fred Vasser because he's got 677 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: runs on the board. 678 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: He did the job last year, like the job had 679 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: been done. It it is possible to do that job. 680 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: But the fact that it's happened this year when it 681 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: should be preparation, when they should be proving they've got 682 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: to riding together. 683 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 3: You're still here in the year. But that for me 684 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: is just a little bit concerning. I think a little. 685 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: Bit, and look, I will I often wonder if Vasso 686 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: says this all the time, You do wonder how much 687 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: of the broadcast of the radio chat is done purely 688 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: for you know, cue the Benny Hill music, he Goo 689 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: Ferrari again, a bit of that sort of thing. But 690 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: at the very least, this season needs to be getting 691 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: LaClair and Hamilton to work well together, get Lewis accustomed 692 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: to the team incomfortable, and be operationally sharp. For when 693 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: you get this blank sheet of paper for twenty six, 694 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: at least you're starting from a point where you might 695 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: be able to do something. 696 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 4: If we're still. 697 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: Floundering around with operational things and confusing mixed messages across 698 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: the radio and no one knows whether they're coming or going. 699 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: This is what the next eighteen races are for Ferrari, 700 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: because short of some remarkable circumstance, they're not going to 701 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: win one, and you'll have the odd outlier. Charlt Clair 702 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: will put it on Pole somewhere probably backoop. Yeah, yeah, 703 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: all Monica, one of those two, and there'll be the 704 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: odd outlier performance. But in terms of where they are 705 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: right now, I just never thought that I would see 706 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: the day where Williams would be out performing Ferrari on 707 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: merit in twenty twenty five. 708 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: But here we are, remarkable, said boy of the regulations. 709 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: Went for one more year. That's not very interesting, Matt. 710 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: Before we wrap up this, though, we must go to 711 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: the crystal ball from a complete home filtration, Thank you 712 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: very much. I'm hoping we'll get a crystal ball in 713 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: the studio at some point. Technically don't exist, which is 714 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: why we don't have one, but maybe we can get something. 715 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to make my prediction. Of course, we can 716 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: choose any timeframe we like, so I'm just going to 717 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: choose the next Formula One Grand Prix, which of course 718 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: is at Imola, which is Andrea Kimi Antonelli's home race, 719 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: born in Bologna, only down the road. I think this 720 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: will finally be his first podium after the near miss 721 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: of Miami twice in the sprint and in the Grand Prix. 722 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: He was really impressive this weekend. He's been very good 723 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: all season without having these wildly impressive results, been more 724 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: than good enough for the gamble Mclintmrceades has taken to 725 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: put him into the car. 726 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: But this was the first. 727 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: Weekend where I think you really or why they did 728 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: it because from the very first day and this was 729 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: a sprint format, which means drivers is really at a 730 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: premium to be ho it immediately, and he was had 731 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: Russell's number pretty much the whole weekend, willing to say, Okay, 732 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: the race didn't go his way, but there was some 733 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: strategy elements to it. 734 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: Obviously got that sprint pole. 735 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: Extremely irritating because I don't know how to statistically treat that. 736 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: You want to if you want to call him the 737 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: youngest of a pole, get it, I'm not sure technically yes, 738 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: but anyway he got it. He got it done regardless, 739 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: but couldn't get the result in either day, partly because 740 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: that battle with Piastri then, as I said, with strategy, 741 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: but I think he'll get it done in Italy. 742 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 3: Imagine the result. 743 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: Imagine an Italian on a podium in Italy, and of 744 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: all tracks, look, I love Monza as well, but Imola 745 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: maybe the last year of himaler As well, that's news 746 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: I expect we'll get in the next couple of weeks. 747 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: I think that would be enormous, a fantastic story and 748 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: something that would be as impressive as George Russell has 749 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: been this year. And you can see that reflected in 750 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: the points table. He's probably overachieved statistically compared to where 751 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: he's been on track a lot of the time. The 752 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: thing that's so impressive about Antonelli is that none of 753 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it's any trouble, completely unfazed and unbothered, 754 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: and I'm eighteen and this is fine, And it's almost 755 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: like he expects to be there, but not in an 756 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: arrogant way. He's just confident that he's got the ability 757 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: and the machinery to do it. And as you said before, 758 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: one hundred percent justifies the decision to put him in there. 759 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: Super bright future, and I do like the crystal Wall prediction. 760 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: It would be a good story and I'm all for 761 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: cheering for the narrative because that's what we do. But 762 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: crystal Ball time I mentioned before, Oscopiastri six Grand Prix wins, 763 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo eight, Mark Webber nine, the second most successful 764 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: Australian driver in history of Formula One is Alan Jones 765 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: twelve Grand Prix wins, although A. J. Tellio's thirteen nineteen 766 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: eighty SPECIs Grand Prix. Look it up on Google Kids 767 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: if you don't know. My prediction is by the end 768 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: of this season, Oscar Piastri is going to be the 769 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: second most successful driver Australian driver in. 770 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 4: The history of Formula One. 771 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: It's a great core, which means that he needs to 772 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: win what's seven well, but he needs to win seven 773 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: more Grand Prix with eighteen to go in the strongest 774 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: car in the field in what's looking like a two 775 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: driver championship. So Jack Braben won fourteen rond Prix, is 776 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: that out of the question here? He would need to 777 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: win nine of the last eighteen races. He would be 778 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: totally half of correct, absolutely in play. 779 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 4: I reckon I think it is. 780 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: I mean, look, which is wild, but I mean I 781 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: also speaks. This is a digression we've got right up. 782 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: But to the number of races we've got, Like we 783 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: talked about these records historically, you can talk about win percentage. 784 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: Although I would believe in win percentages, it must just 785 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: be up there being his third campaign, but the fact 786 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: you could completely overrun the win record of a historically 787 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: iconic driver. 788 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: In yes, okay, this season has more races than about 789 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: three of Jacks probably whole career. 790 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, just about. 791 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: But that's absolutely it's wild to say, yes it is. 792 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: I look, i'd be it's your crystal, Paul. 793 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: I'm just surprised if he didn't surpass Allener or get 794 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: to Alan Jones' record seven wins. Seems absolutely it's less 795 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: than half. Like you say in a car that should 796 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: buy rides with every Grand Prix for the rest of 797 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: the year. You know, maybe you throw Monaicne as an 798 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 2: outlier and maybe back or whatever. 799 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: It seems like it should be possible. 800 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 4: We've had four and about eight weeks, so. 801 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: This lad he would comfortably become the most successful me. 802 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: He could win three championships this year. 803 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 3: Who knows. 804 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: Well that note, that's all the time we have for 805 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 2: pit Talk. 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