WEBVTT - Suburbs under siege 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.440 Apparently if you own a nice house and a nice 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.080 car is in the driveway, you're a target at the moment. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:11.040 There's nothing funny about unarmed youth with a machete that 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.240 could literally cut someone's head off coming into a house 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.440 to pinch a car on a piggy bank and a 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:16.960 few things. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.759 And they said, I don't want to blame COVID. I 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.360 really don't, But my son or daughter was locked up 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.919 inside for so long and had so many rules and 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.240 regulations around them, and once they got out, that was great, 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:29.840 but then they just went nuts. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.440 My'm Andrew rules his life and crimes. This month, we 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:38.199 are seeing the rise and rise and rise of trouble 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.840 in our streets and in our homes. The Herald Son 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.319 is calling it our suburbs under siege. And you can 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:50.400 see why our editors here have gone for that headline 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:55.480 and that theme, because it's the story of our times. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.160 Reagan Hodge, you are a crime report for the Herald Son, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.960 a part in covering this story for a lot of months. Now, 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.840 you and some of your colleagues you've currently dropped in 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.640 to talk about it. Why are we seeing a spike 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.120 in this new year of twenty twenty five. Is there 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:12.639 a spike. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.560 I think it's just being highlighted more aline and victims 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.400 are becoming increasingly fed up with this. You know, they've 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:22.880 sort of put up with it for the past couple 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.840 of years, but I think in the past few months 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.240 and over summer and it's autumn this year, they've sort 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.640 of put the foot down and said they've really had 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.399 enough and they want they really want to change. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.280 It strikes me, just as not a casual observer, but 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.119 as someone who's been watching this develop that we're now 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:47.919 seeing some precise and fairly graphic examples of people who've 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.560 had their homes invaded by armed youths and have been 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.640 willing to talk about it and come to us and 0:01:55.280 --> 0:02:00.360 bear their stories or publish their stories. For instance, the 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.080 lady we had in our paper in the last few 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:08.079 days told about how she can't sleep and how it's 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.720 really sort of ruined her life, which you can imagine happening, 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.080 and more than one. She's not the only one. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.560 But not at all. I've spoken to a few people 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.400 in the last few days. We're talking in early March, 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.760 and there's a young fella. He's only seven, he's in 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.919 grade two. This year, his family enjoyed a home invasion 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.880 at their Armadale home, and people will say, oh, it's 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.440 a ritzy suburb, But there's still a seven year old 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.880 kids sleeping in there. And that was in December and 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.160 it's early March. He still hasn't slept a whole night 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.120 in his own bed. He's just too scared that the 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:41.680 offenders may return. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.040 Of course, what sort of people would say oh, it's 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.720 a richy suburb as some sort of oblique defense. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.640 Who would say that people online are quite happy to 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.079 have a go, And even the teenage criminals whose who 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.400 drive around the suburbs. I just got off the phone 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.160 to a parent of one of these teenage offenders just 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.920 before I jumped in here, and a son told his 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.639 mother that I don't worry about the rich people. They've 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.120 got enough money to replace a car. That's why we go. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.160 That's why we go and steal them, which is just 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:17.480 grateling to hear it. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.320 That's just wonderful, isn't it. I mind, you, people that 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.079 do the wrong thing at every level justify it, from 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:30.520 dictators down to shop thieves and pedophiles. They always justify 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.720 it and say that they're not as. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.760 Bad as the other guy. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.360 That's worse at eas human nature to do that, to 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.600 push the blame sideways. But he's sort of shocking to hear, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.640 and it would make a lot of people very angry 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:45.200 to hear that. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.840 And I know one of our colleagues here at the 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.280 Herald Son he questioned, why you would own a nice 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.680 car now knowing that there's almost a good chance it's 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.720 going to be pinched, then you might be better off 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:03.160 owning a sort of a more vint style, less luxury vehicle, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.680 which isn't as appealing to some crooks. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.200 It won't stop them stealing cars even if everybody switched 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.040 to eight year old Volvers. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.640 Yeah, that's what they'll steal. Tell you, what would be 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.600 a good deterrent is to drive a manual. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.039 That is the smartest thing I have heard for a 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:25.200 long time, because none of them, nobody manual is. In fact, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.320 I have a three year old grandson who when he 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.320 gets in the car with my wife, in a particular 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.960 car with my wife and she uses the gear stick, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.479 he is blown away that she can do this because 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.719 he's never seen either of his parents driving a manual, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.840 and he notices that it's just part of life. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.960 Yeah, that would be a pretty handy deterrent. And I 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.560 wouldn't be surprised if people opted by a manual car 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.120 at the sales. I mean, people are putting the old 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.680 steering wheel locks on their cars again, putting tracking devices 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.360 under their bumpers to see where their car is at 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.760 all times of the day in case it gets nicked. Yeah, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.840 buying a man car might be the way to go. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.240 Oh, look into that. I quite like manuals. Have you 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:08.080 written that story? 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.680 No, So it's out there for anyone that wants to 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.080 jump by. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.600 I think by the time we go towere, you might 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.359 have a lot of these, you said, skinny guys that 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.440 can get through things like dog access doors, you know, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.960 dog flaps, or through bathroom windows, those sort of tight 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.039 fitting spots that most of us wouldn't get to. But 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.280 they're young, they're stronger athletic, and they're pretty skinny. Is 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.599 that a fair observation? 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.279 They are on the slimmer side. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.120 Is that why the police call them skinnies? 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.760 That's possibly the reason. But we got sent some video 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:46.640 recently of this very lanky gentleman jumping through a doggy door, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.880 and he managed to reach through the doggy door. Half 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.480 his body was through it and he managed to unlock 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.960 the laundry door with his hand. Yes, and away they 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.640 went in. They go walk around the land room, in 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.240 the kitchen. Oh, there's the handbag, there's the keys, there's 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.360 a new car, there's some wheels for us. And where 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.640 we go out the laundry door. They went back over 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:07.080 the fence. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.840 So, as well as manual cars, perhaps you either need 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.680 very small dogs or if you've got a large dog, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.279 an extremely savage one. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.240 An extremely loud one will do the trick. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.400 A loud one does the trick. Is this the assessment 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:25.080 of seasoned police that say loud dogs will repel skinnies Police. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.200 And victims mainly are the ones that say, yeah, the 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.080 dogs started barking and that sort of set the offenders 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.520 off and they'd rather no confrontation, so off they go. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.400 You see countless videos from front porches and driveways of 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.240 people creeping up to a front door and they're tiptying 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.040 ready to try and unlock the front door, and then 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.160 the dog starts barking, and off they go. They sprint. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.200 They've had enough not entering this home because a little 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.239 yap yap dog is having to go and it's saved 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:55.560 the day. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.240 That's so good, isn't it. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.440 It's pretty good footage. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.760 I think probably there's an opening for the right sort 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.120 of dogs to do this, you know, good noisy, tough 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:06.440 dogs that will have a bit of a. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.000 Go to those little yap yap ones, that little white 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.440 fluffy ones. Anything it makes a noise, or do the 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.200 job at the moment. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.800 Good stuff. Among the examples we've read recently, there was 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.440 a woman in Brighton who there was a pretty big 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.720 story about her, and there was the other one in winter. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.160 Can you recall those stories and what was the essence 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:26.560 of them? 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.200 So at Windsor at the home belongs to Flora Socrats 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.960 and she was walking down her hallway in the middle 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.960 of the day. It was daylight. You could see in 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.720 the video that she's eventually posted and sent to us 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.480 the sun shining. It's two three in the afternoon and 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.600 she has decided to get her phone out after she 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.680 spotted an alleged defender walking down the hallway and into 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.560 her kitchen while she was home. Now this a young 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.000 chap had her backpack on and a hood over his face, 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.280 and she begins from meals on wheels. I don't think 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.920 he was waking I'm making a house visit. I don't 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.040 think he was fixing the sink or making a delivery 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.160 in the post. I think he was having a snoop 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.240 around of maybe what Flora socratis owned. And she decided 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:19.120 to which was just crazy, and it's really good footage 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.480 for us and the public to see. She's whipped out 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.800 her phone and just chased this bloke down the hallway 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.000 and she's screaming, what are you doing in my house? 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.720 What are you doing? What's in your bag? What have 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.280 you taken? It was really quite dramatic. And she's chased 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.480 him out the front door and he jumps over the fence. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.000 One leg goes over, the second one goes over, and 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.400 she's just filming this all on her phone, which twenty 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.520 thirty years ago would be unheard of, of course, but 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.600 that's I think the current age we live in. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.560 That's a very good story. And was he an athletic 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.679 young fellow there could jump over the fences. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.199 He managed to get over quite quickly, so. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.400 He wasn't just a little fat garden though he was 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:57.320 a tall, skinny boat. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.360 Yeah, he wasn't on the thick site. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.440 Good and he probably doesn't understand history, because if he 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:10.240 knew what Greeks did the German paratroopers in World War Two, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.720 it's particularly increte he might not do that because the 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.320 Greeks have a habit of picking up the nearest cutlery 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.320 and attacking. I once knew Greek shepherd killed seven Germans 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:28.880 really with a knife. Really, he was quite quite willing. Now, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.960 the other case we're looking at, I think or you 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.800 looked at, was at black Rock, which of course is 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.480 one of our most excellent bayside suburbs in Melbourne. But 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.560 you know, it's just a good, solid place. It's not 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.720 too rack. It's the sort of place where a lot 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.280 of people live and enjoy themselves and work hard and 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.400 all that, and their reward for that is to be 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.040 broken into. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.200 Apparently, if you own a nice house and a nice 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.800 car is in the driveway, you're a target at the moment. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.920 So we went out there in early March with her 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.080 that some footage was circling around of these alleged defenders 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:09.720 walking up a driveway so calmly. This bloke has a 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.520 big machete in his right hand, and the homeowners estimated 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.200 it to be about eighty centimeters in length. It was enormous. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.320 And he's got a hood on, he's got the slides on, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.240 he's got a little backpack on. I think, just walks 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.320 up the driveway and then two blokes follow suit and 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.400 then they go. This was at five o'clock in the 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.920 morning on a Tuesday in early March. Not even two 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.160 in the morning, not one, not midnight. This is five 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.240 in the morning. People are waking up at this time, Jim. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:44.280 Are these guys on bucks out the front deliveries being made? 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.000 And then they go through the side door while these 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.480 two primary school aged kids sleep. I think they have 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.360 a nine year old and a twelve year old. So 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.720 they're inside sleeping, and they drummage around the alleged defenders. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.600 They find car keys to two vehicles, shows them they 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.920 back out one and the one parked on the street 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.040 off that goes and they were in and out within 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:10.480 five minutes and two cars gone, a luxury handbag gone, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.000 a wallet gone, and the nine year old girl's piggybank 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.800 was ransacked for ninety five dollars. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.800 A piggy bank was ransacked. It's ugly stuff, really, and 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.839 you know, we can make bad jokes about it, but 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:31.120 there's nothing funny about unarmed youth who's probably six foot 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.320 high and the old with a machete that could cut 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.080 literally cut someone's head off, or a limbo cut an 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.640 arm off, coming into a house to pinch a car 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:43.719 on a piggy bank and a. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.320 Few things ninety five dollars worth in notes and coins. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.439 I know we've discussed this before another time, but motivation. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.199 You've got people who are taking cars. There's a thrill 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.920 component of this. They want to drive cars fast and 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.400 record it. But also for a lot of them point 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.920 that they can sell it on to other crooks who 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.400 do other things with them, and the handbags and so forth. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.800 It's a way to keep themselves in petty cash. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.240 Yeah, so they can sell them on things like Facebook Marketplace. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.960 Some would sell them to drug dealers in replace for 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.480 some gear. Some offenders would use those vehicles to commit 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.079 cigarette burglaries, which have really kicked off in Melbourne, specifically 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.680 the Southeast over the past six months. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.400 Describe one of those your favorite cigarette burglary. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.840 Oh, there's plenty of them, but they'll rock up to 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.880 a seven to eleven or a BP early hours of 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.400 the morning or eleven o'clock at night. Sometimes they're eight 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.160 o'clock at night, not even late, and they'll go out 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.680 in the eastern suburbs. They get hit really hard and 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.080 four of them will run in. One will jump the 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.720 counter and demand access to the smokes cupboard behind the jump, 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.120 and the poor attendant just had to put their hands 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.440 up and say, all right, go for your life. And 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.160 you see the footage of these teenagers. Off they go 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.000 with a big tray of smokes, dump it in the 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.080 boot out that's parked out the front near the bowsers, 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.160 and off they go. And they take those smokes and 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:14.199 I believe they can either sell those to some illicit stores. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.560 Of course, this's a story for another day. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:21.280 They've always been good currency cigarettes. You can always get 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.800 rid of them, sell them in pubs, sell them in 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.680 the illicit stores. They're great stuff and you get it 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.559 like a million bucks worth on a truck. They're extremely 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:30.640 valuable for their weight. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:31.280 Yeah. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.560 Look, obviously cars are a big driver for these good word, 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.520 big driver for these guys. They want the thrill of 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.400 getting the luxury car, the fast car, the better car 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.599 than the mate, stole, all that sort of stuff. The 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.680 basic sort of thing to do. But is there a 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.200 destination for some of these cars. What happens to most 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:52.560 of them. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.120 A lot of them are dumped on the side of 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.960 the road. So they'll take a vehicle from maybe a 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.079 nice affluent suburban and it's a nice European high speed 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.720 luxury car and they think, oh, how good is this? 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.200 This will go like the Clappers, they'll take it down 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.720 to the Monash, the EastLink Peninsula links some of the favorites. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.240 Just having a quick look at their social media activity, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.880 you see that they like filming themselves on the Monash 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:23.200 fast speeds and the speedos rising one hundred and ninety one, 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.720 ninety five two two ten. It's just you don't know 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.320 cars can go that fast, but they do. And they're 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.440 filming with one hand on the steering wheel at one 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.360 hand with the phone, and it's just mind boggling how 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.680 they don't flip and roll this car and crash and 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.800 kill more innocent people. But that's the thrill that they 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.400 get out of it is going at these high speeds 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.040 and it's late at night, there aren't many cars on 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.040 the road, but they're flying two hundred and ten, two 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.760 hundred and twenty kilometers. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.200 An hour more. A thing goes wrong. Yep, you're dead. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.080 Small pothole and there's a few them around, yes, Or 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.880 if you get a little bump in the road at 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.480 that speed your toast you are. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.040 Is there any sense that some of those cars are 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.320 going to vanish off the map and not be found 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.400 by the side of the road because they've gone on elsewhere, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.480 They've gone into state, or they've been pulled apart for parts. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.360 Are they going to chop shops? 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.360 So Victoria Police and we're not doing a puff piece 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.320 on them, but they do a really good job to 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.760 recover more than ninety four percent of vehicles stolen do 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.800 They under the Operation Trinity Banner and they're out there 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.120 every night doing some hard work. But more than ninety 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.920 four percent of cars are found within a few days 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.520 or weeks. Sure, they've been thrashed and beaten up and 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.320 flogged to the till there's no tomorrow, but they find 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.840 them parked in on the side of the road, you know, 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.880 in a residential street or a court until someone finally 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.560 reports it as suspicious vehicle parked out at the front 0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.080 of my joint. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.920 Okay, The story that strikes me is where do we 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.640 stand those who own the cars and where do they 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:10.160 stand with insurance because Okay, your car's been flogged, as 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.520 in flogged to death, you know, driven hard. They might 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.720 have jammed it in the second year and done you know, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.880 eight thousand reefs or something. Yeah, when you know in 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.320 cars are never driven beyond about two and a half 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.080 thousand reefs, A lot of strain can be put on 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.560 a vehicle. What do insurers say about it? Are they 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.760 paying out? And is it causing premiums to go higher? 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:32.880 It must be an effect. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.440 I don't believe they're are too generous in paying out. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:37.120 They're not. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.520 They're victims. So I know a few victims that have said, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.960 I'm just going to sell the car now, cut my 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.360 losses and sell it for almost half the price of 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.360 what I bought it for because I know it's been 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.720 flogged for twelve hours and they've done four hunderd kys 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.880 in it just flying, And he says, it's not the 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.280 same car anymore. I'm going to sell it. And something else. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.160 Is there a sense it's now that it's no longer theirs. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.040 That it has been dirty? 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.320 Dirty? Yeah, they say that about burglaries. People feel that 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.680 their house has been breached by others and they don't 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:10.639 want to stay there, you know. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.240 And these people don't care about the interior of a car. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.680 They spill drinks in there, they do drugs in there. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.240 Often there's drug residue on the inside that the police 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.520 have to sort of swarm and then clean as well. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.600 You can't give it back with ice on the They 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.040 leave rubbish all over the place, or they throw your 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.600 personal belongings out the window. It doesn't feel like your 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:35.280 car anymore. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:40.400 Okay, Yeah, interesting psychological thing there. Even if you could 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.639 clean it and drive it, you'd rather not, it's not 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.680 the same. Rather sell it down the line to somebody 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:51.200 else'll create a marketing bargain luxury cars at the other end. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.520 Sometimes they say they used to be sneaking them out, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:00.679 luxury cars into containers and exporting them to sort of 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.359 black market states where they can sell them in the 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.560 Middle East and maybe parts of Europe. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.520 I saw a Facebook marketplace at the other night, and 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.560 this bloke was trying to flog it, I think an 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.239 old commodore, well not even an old one that was 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.800 maybe ten years old, and he said three thousand dollars 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.520 cash if gone tonight. That was their post. And it 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.200 was very, very suspicious. I mean, some people need money fast, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.560 but maybe not that fast. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.000 Yes, that's interesting. Well, I know when you look up 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.800 VIC roads on the regio, there's now a service for 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.800 any registration plate you put in. It'll tell you all 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.080 about that car. You can find if you pay a 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.959 small fee, whether it's been stolen or not, all its history. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:49.200 There's such a demand from the public for this that 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.080 VIC Grugs are now supplying this service. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.080 People are onto it too. They're also onto the court lists, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.840 and we see this popping up online of repair defenders. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:05.080 Some vigilantes in the community will look up the Victorian 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.320 court lists and see when their favorite criminal is due 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.600 to a peer at a local manage. It's called so 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.720 they've really called on to where the movements of these 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:16.800 criminals A. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.760 Good a bit of citizen sort of activity. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:19.119 That's it. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.080 Nothing wrong with that. The crooks are quite happy to 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.680 use the internet to further their own ends, so absolutely 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.000 it can be used against them, it has been said, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.439 and it appeals to me and to most people. I 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.879 think if you are found with a weapon on somebody 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.080 else's premises, you don't get bail. A weapon equals jail. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.600 You're locked up you're not out on the streets again 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.719 tomorrow to do it all again. That would seem to 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.280 me to be eminently fair and sensible because the danger. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.400 You know, they're saying, we're putting them out on bail 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.800 because it's bad for them to be locked up with 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:00.080 other bad guys. True, there's no doubt that's true. But 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.200 there comes a point when the danger to other people 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.000 out weighs that. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.440 Absolutely. The community at some point has to be protected 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.120 prioritized as well. No one wants to put kids in jails. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.520 That's never a great outcome, is it that. 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:19.240 Unless they're carrying machetes and knives and possibly guns, then 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:19.640 you do. 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.840 And it's not a life sentence, it's not decades in present. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.800 There has to be some consequences for your actions at 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.440 some point now some people, and it's a really good 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.240 argument to have with or a debate to have with people. Yes, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.480 they're going to mix with other criminals inside it, whether 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.080 it's Parkville if they're young, or a bar and if 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.240 they're older, but there has to become a point where 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.040 the community safety needs to be prioritized. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.240 It seems to me to be an element of false 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.840 logic in all that handringing sort of bleeding heart stuff, 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.240 because here we have youths who buy and large aren't 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.080