Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 2: Alberizi tonight accused of breaching the Ministerial Code of Conduct
Speaker 2: by soliciting business flight upgrades. Peter Dutton wants the Corruption
Speaker 2: Commission to investigate, and Albanzi has also given a misleading
Speaker 2: answer over why his son had chairman's lounge access. Joe
Speaker 2: Aston will be on my show tonight and boy does
Speaker 2: he hit back at Albanzi.
Speaker 3: The ones who bang on the most about their origin story,
Speaker 3: you know, about how they grew up in a brown
Speaker 3: paper bag or they floated to an Australia on a
Speaker 3: stick of spaghetti. They're always the ones who are most
Speaker 3: are most susceptible to the high life. And I think
Speaker 3: it's certainly true that for someone who came from so little,
Speaker 3: Albanesi has an insatiable appetite for VIP travel and hospitality.
Speaker 2: That's coming up also tonight, Petty Wong furious that Israel
Speaker 2: dared to block a UN organization that has a long
Speaker 2: history of supporting terror. Why would the Foreign Minister be
Speaker 2: so upset about this? Chris Mitchell would join me to discuss,
Speaker 2: and eight days out from the US election, will Cross
Speaker 2: Live to Washington, where Adam Crichton will break down the
Speaker 2: latest positive poll for Trump.
Speaker 1: But as one comedian's bad joke cost him votes.
Speaker 2: I'm going to discuss that with Bronwin Bishop and Caleb
Speaker 2: Bond in a moment. But first tonight, accusations that Anthony
Speaker 2: Alberzi has misled voters about why his son had chairman's
Speaker 2: lounge access. This comes as Peter Dutton accuses alben Ezi
Speaker 2: of breaching the Ministerial Code of Conduct. His also said
Speaker 2: this entire matter should be referred to the Corruption Commission
Speaker 2: for investigation. Now this has now become a political scandal.
Speaker 2: Albinizi is accused of misleading voters over why he asked
Speaker 2: the QUANTT chief executive Alan Joyce for a chairman's lounge
Speaker 2: access for his son Nathan.
Speaker 1: Now, when this.
Speaker 2: Revelation first emerged over a year ago, Albanezy refused to
Speaker 2: comment on it at all. The Prime Minister had never
Speaker 2: disclosed this gift on his register of interests. But this
Speaker 2: week he finally spoke about it and he claimed that
Speaker 2: his son was his new plus one.
Speaker 1: Have a look.
Speaker 4: All that happened was my relationship ended. My relationship ended,
Speaker 4: and my plus one when that happened, and I put
Speaker 4: out a media release when my marriage ended. You can't
Speaker 4: be more transparent than that, and my plus one became
Speaker 4: my son.
Speaker 2: That seemed to satisfy the journalists at the press conference.
Speaker 1: But is it true. Not quite.
Speaker 2: Albaneze claimed as he heard that Carmel Tebbert was his
Speaker 2: plus one, But in fact I'm told that she had
Speaker 2: her own Quantus chairman's lounge access, completely independent of Albanesi,
Speaker 2: and she was of course Deputy Premiere in New South
Speaker 2: Wales and also Education Minister. And secondly, by the time
Speaker 2: Albanesi asked Alan Joyce to give his son the lounge access, well,
Speaker 2: he'd split up from Carmel Tebbert around three years earlier.
Speaker 2: Joe Aston explains this discrepancy in the interview I've.
Speaker 1: Done with him that's airing on the show tonight. Have
Speaker 1: a look.
Speaker 3: I find again, I find that an implausible explanation because
Speaker 3: Jody Hayden was disclosed by Albanesi in his Register of
Speaker 3: interest in October twenty twenty two as Albanese's plus one,
Speaker 3: So how can his son be his plus one?
Speaker 2: There's just so many holes in all of Albanese's answers
Speaker 2: and Joe Aston coming up on the show a bit later.
Speaker 2: He also responds to the claims from Albanzi that the
Speaker 2: journalist is targeting his faumily by focusing on his son's
Speaker 2: chairman's lounge access. So what we've seen today and you
Speaker 2: know this by now, that the Prime Minister is now
Speaker 2: attacking Joe Aston a journalist, instead of just being straightforward
Speaker 2: and honest and open with voters about all of this.
Speaker 2: Alban Easy repeatedly promised that he was going to do
Speaker 2: politics differently. But we're not seeing transparency. We're only seeing
Speaker 2: attacks on Aston.
Speaker 4: The person who is trying to sell a book, and
Speaker 4: fair enough, I don't see decorations that he's a former
Speaker 4: Liberal Party staffer for a number of senior members of
Speaker 4: the Liberal Party, including Joe Hockey and Bruce Bird. I
Speaker 4: don't see decorations he as a former Counus employee. I
Speaker 4: don't see decorations. In June, just a few months ago,
Speaker 4: he was a guest him and John Howard, a Liberal
Speaker 4: Party fundraiser in the electorate of Worth.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, this is petulant. Seriously, a prime
Speaker 2: minister under scrutiny for integrity issues, starts attacking a journalist.
Speaker 2: Albanize cannot avoid answering questions by hitting out at Joe Aston.
Speaker 2: Not that it's relevant, but Joe Aston's disclosures are pretty clear.
Speaker 2: On page one of this book, he discloses that he
Speaker 2: did previously work for both Quantas and the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's probably why he has such
Speaker 2: good access to intel. It's beside the point. This isn't
Speaker 2: about Aston's disclosures. He's not getting a taxpayer funded salary.
Speaker 2: He's not answerable to voters. This is about Albernizi's disclosures.
Speaker 2: That's what matters and Albanize He also refused to directly
Speaker 2: answer questions about whether he requested or solicited the gifts
Speaker 2: from his mate Alan Joyce.
Speaker 5: Did you call Alan Joys personally for these upgrades?
Speaker 4: The idea Quannas have a number in terms of bookings
Speaker 4: that are private bookings.
Speaker 2: So no denial at all, just yet again deflection by
Speaker 2: talking about some private number and on that what is
Speaker 2: he talking about a number for private bookings. The Quantus
Speaker 2: number that you and I have access to is the
Speaker 2: one three one three, one three number where you're left
Speaker 2: on hold for hours. The number Albanese he had for
Speaker 2: private bookings for upgrades is Alan Joyce's personal mobile number.
Speaker 2: He was basically his travel agent. And today we saw
Speaker 2: Albinezi also tried to attack his political opponents for the number.
Speaker 1: Of upgrades that they've had.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a child saying, oh, but that
Speaker 2: kid also stole the lollipop. This is extraordinary stuff from
Speaker 2: the prime minister who promised a new era of transparency
Speaker 2: in politics.
Speaker 4: I want to bring people together and I want to
Speaker 4: change the way that politics is conducted in this country.
Speaker 4: And I do believe that we can do politics better
Speaker 4: and I hope to do so.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: Maybe Albenesi should read up on the Code of Conduct
Speaker 2: for Ministers because it does state that yep, they're allowed
Speaker 2: to accept gifts, but they must not seek or encourage
Speaker 2: any form of gift in their personal capacity. That's a
Speaker 2: direct quote. And there are now quite serious questions over
Speaker 2: whether the Prime Minister breached those ministerial Code of Conduct rules,
Speaker 2: and Peter Darton says he has well.
Speaker 7: Certainly, on the face of reading the Gillard government minister
Speaker 7: or Code of Conduct, the Prime Minister has breached that
Speaker 7: by his own admission.
Speaker 2: At no point has Albanese denied that he personally asked
Speaker 2: that enjoys for upgrades worth tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: and if he asked for them it would be in
Speaker 2: breach as I've just shown you of the Ministerial Code
Speaker 2: of Conduct. Parliament resumes next week, so it's very possible
Speaker 2: that if alban Easy doesn't refer himself to the Corruption Commission,
Speaker 2: which let's be Frank is not going to, then the
Speaker 2: Coalition might make that referral. Just months out from the
Speaker 2: federal election, things couldn't be looking worse for alban Easy now.
Speaker 2: Australia's premiers have been blasted for their handling of the
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen pandemic, with the Federal Inquiry report released today
Speaker 2: saying that some differences were not easily explained and no
Speaker 2: rationale was provided. This included the operation of state border
Speaker 2: closures that states enacted unilaterally and that lacked consistency and
Speaker 2: compassion in implementation, stating the obvious. The inquiry also found
Speaker 2: that vaccine mandates has reduced the motivation of some people
Speaker 2: to be vaccinated for COVID nineteen and has led to
Speaker 2: ongoing reluctance to receive vaccines. Now, the main recommendation from
Speaker 2: this inquiry is to set up a CDC, a Center
Speaker 2: for disease control like they have in the United States,
Speaker 2: which by the way, didn't do any better than Australia.
Speaker 2: But what's so appalling about this is that the Albanezy
Speaker 2: government had already decided to set up a CDC long
Speaker 2: before the inquiry recommendations came out. The website has been
Speaker 2: built for literally more than eight or nine months, so
Speaker 2: this was a foregone conclusion. It wasn't an outcome of
Speaker 2: this report, as the minister's.
Speaker 1: Told us today.
Speaker 2: And worst of all, the main action to prevent another
Speaker 2: pandemic would be to investigate the origins of COVID nineteen,
Speaker 2: work out why this virus spread.
Speaker 1: Around the world.
Speaker 2: But not once has Albanezi asked Chinese President Shijingping his
Speaker 2: good mate about this, not once, because it was Scott
Speaker 2: Morrison's demand for an inquiry into the origins of the
Speaker 2: virus that sparked China's aggression against Australia in the first place,
Speaker 2: including all.
Speaker 1: The trade tariffs.
Speaker 2: But to prevent another pandemic, we do need to know
Speaker 2: how it began. We do need a ban on dangerous
Speaker 2: gain of function research, risky research that was initially banned
Speaker 2: under the Obama administration for viruses like coronaviruses. Yet now
Speaker 2: gainer function research is taking place.
Speaker 1: All over the world. We need a proper commission of inquiry.
Speaker 2: This inquiry that we've seen the results of today was
Speaker 2: a whitewash, no proper scrutiny. Mark Butler today we've heard
Speaker 2: him speak about the paper trayal and faxes. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 2: that's not the sort of tough questions that need to
Speaker 2: be examined to ensure we don't have another pandemic, and
Speaker 2: if we do, to make sure that the authorities know
Speaker 2: how to handle it. Okay, lots to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2: Joe Aston coming up, plus Chris Mitchell on his incredible
Speaker 2: column this week about how Jews are the indigenous people
Speaker 2: of Israel. But first now let's bring in tonight's panel,
Speaker 2: Sky News host kayleb Bond and our regular former Speaker
Speaker 2: of the House Bronwin Bishop.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Look, let's start by talking.
Speaker 2: About Anthony Albanisi and this quantus scandal. Bronwin Bishop Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton has said that the Prime Minister should refer himself
Speaker 2: to the Corruption Commission. How serious are the integrity issues
Speaker 2: here that the PM has to answer for?
Speaker 8: Well, I guess the issues are being clearly spilled out today,
Speaker 8: and that is the code of conduct, not being allowed
Speaker 8: to ask for a gift as to think from being
Speaker 8: offered one when it's got a monetary value of three
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty dollars and seven hundred dollars. And also
Speaker 8: the question of whether when you're the regulating minister, whether
Speaker 8: you're in a really serious conflict of interest situation.
Speaker 9: So there where.
Speaker 1: Is he the big point, isn't it? It's very conflict
Speaker 1: of interest?
Speaker 8: Yes, So the question is and of course people then
Speaker 8: related to the Kata Airlines decision of not allowing them
Speaker 8: to come in and I think Albinizi said he.
Speaker 9: Was protecting the national interest?
Speaker 6: Was he?
Speaker 9: We don't know. So it is a serious issue.
Speaker 8: And I remember that Gladys bear A Jiglian was knocked
Speaker 8: out of the premiership because she had reached the code
Speaker 8: of conduct among other things. So there is a seriousness
Speaker 8: about it, which is more.
Speaker 1: Than Farrell and the bottle of another breach there, yees.
Speaker 9: So it's a serious issue.
Speaker 8: Whether he refers himself or not to the institution he
Speaker 8: created will be interested. They were, I think quite anxious
Speaker 8: to offer a couple of former Coalition ministers after that commission.
Speaker 9: So it remains to be seen.
Speaker 8: But that train wreck of a press conference he gave today,
Speaker 8: Why was he doing it?
Speaker 9: Where are his friends? And then you asked the question
Speaker 9: do they really want to get.
Speaker 1: Rid of him?
Speaker 2: I mean, if Albanezy truly believes he has nothing to hide,
Speaker 2: he should come out and say, yep, sure, get the
Speaker 2: Corruption Commission to investigate, because I'm an open book. But
Speaker 2: we haven't seen him do that. From the coalition's perspective,
Speaker 2: they say the balls in his court now. It is
Speaker 2: possible that they could make that referral though next week
Speaker 2: when Parliament resumes. Caleb, before I get your response, I
Speaker 2: want to show you just how much of a subject
Speaker 2: of ridicule Albanize is becoming. This was the West Australian
Speaker 2: Front page today by editor Christopher Door. Have a look
Speaker 2: Business Class Warrior showing Albanizi and the Quantus PJS.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's not a real photograph. That's a bit of
Speaker 1: a lock up, Caleb.
Speaker 2: We can't imagine Alberizi getting changed into his PJS though,
Speaker 2: when he has those, you know, twenty two plus flight
Speaker 2: upgrades to business class.
Speaker 6: I don't want to imagine him changing into his pj's.
Speaker 6: There's probably a better picture than you know, after we
Speaker 6: lost all that weight, before he had the car crash,
Speaker 6: of course, but he said when he says that he
Speaker 6: was going to do politics better, he's certainly done one
Speaker 6: thing better, and that's get his snout in the trough. Now,
Speaker 6: this was going on long before he was Prime minister.
Speaker 6: Of course, we're talking most importantly about when he was
Speaker 6: Transport minister. And he knows he's on the ropes. That's
Speaker 6: why he gave the response he gave today. He went
Speaker 6: up a dry gully and he can't back out of
Speaker 6: it because he knows what he had done. And I
Speaker 6: know there's been the comparison drawn, and he's tried to
Speaker 6: draw the comparison.
Speaker 9: No, Well, lots of.
Speaker 6: Politicians accept gifts from Quantus and upgrades from Quantus. That
Speaker 6: might be so, but how many others have picked up
Speaker 6: the phone directly to the CEO of Quantus while they
Speaker 6: are Transport minister and ask for an upgrade, not on
Speaker 6: a business trip, but on a personal trip. And when
Speaker 6: you are the minister in charge who has a decision
Speaker 6: over what airlines are allowed to operate in this country,
Speaker 6: the slots that they are allowed to have in this country.
Speaker 6: It is such a direct conflict of interest that some
Speaker 6: people might look at that. And we're talking about him
Speaker 6: being referred to the Corruption Commission and asked the question,
Speaker 6: was that corrupt conduct? He can't answer that because he
Speaker 6: knows what he has done, regardless of the law, does
Speaker 6: not look good. It cuts through because you and I,
Speaker 6: as you said before, if we wanted to get a flight,
Speaker 6: if we pick up the phone to someone, we're sitting
Speaker 6: there for four hours trying to talk to someone, not
Speaker 6: Anthony Alberansi. This is a major issue, not just for
Speaker 6: the Prime Minister now, but for the way that the
Speaker 6: airline industry is run in this country. It should not
Speaker 6: be in the hands of a minister at all. As
Speaker 6: far as I'm concerned, you can't blame Joyce for doing
Speaker 6: what he's done. Of course he's want to curry favor
Speaker 6: with the Transport Minister, but he ought to know better Albanzi,
Speaker 6: that is than to get on the blower and ask
Speaker 6: for a gift. It's a terrible look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joyce has done nothing wrong, He's done nothing illegal.
Speaker 2: This is all on the questions are all for Albansi,
Speaker 2: and it just shows again how out of touch it is.
Speaker 2: We're in a cost of living crisis. Australians can barely
Speaker 2: afford interstate travel at the moment in economy. And I
Speaker 2: don't know about you Tube, but you know I've heard
Speaker 2: a lot of people say, oh, yes, I've had an upgrade.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Every time I fly, I always say,
Speaker 2: can I have an upgrade? No one has ever once
Speaker 2: said yes at quandas or whichever.
Speaker 6: I only get with points, So I haven't been off
Speaker 6: a one joy sweat.
Speaker 10: Were you when I needed you for him?
Speaker 1: You just can't get upgrade? So there you go.
Speaker 2: Let's look at this COVID inquiry report Bronwen. This was
Speaker 2: particularly scathing of vaccine mandates, but really only from the
Speaker 2: perspective of now vaccine hesitancy.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that the report is an absolute disgrace
Speaker 8: because what we needed was a Royal Commissioner, and the
Speaker 8: parameters of the report were such that investigating what individual states,
Speaker 8: particularly the premiers did was excluded from the inquiry and reporting.
Speaker 8: So what we're seeing is let's blame the previous federal
Speaker 8: government for what they did. Now there's the treasurer out there,
Speaker 8: the snake charmer, because.
Speaker 9: It's all an illusion. There he was out there.
Speaker 8: Today saying, oh, well they were responsible, they the former
Speaker 8: coalition government for giving us inflation. But at the same
Speaker 8: time there were the shadow tasure demanding that the coalitions
Speaker 8: spend more and keep spending it for longer.
Speaker 6: So there is.
Speaker 8: Absolutely no no integrity in that man's answer at all.
Speaker 8: Today he banks on the fact that probably people will
Speaker 8: forget what he said last time. So the thing that
Speaker 8: concerns me also is the establishment of this Center for
Speaker 8: Disease Control. I mean, it sounds all wellian to start with,
Speaker 8: and to me, I'm linking it up with the stated
Speaker 8: intention of the government to sign up to this United
Speaker 8: Nations World Health Organization proposed treaty that would mean that
Speaker 8: the World Health Organization could say, well, we've got a
Speaker 8: pandemic and this is what you, Australia have got to do,
Speaker 8: and this is what and so and so forth, so
Speaker 8: you would have this so called independent body.
Speaker 1: And again the.
Speaker 2: US had a CDC and they were still hit hard
Speaker 2: by the pandemics.
Speaker 1: Is going to be some not.
Speaker 8: But I am still worried about this treaty because you
Speaker 8: can sign a treaty, but nothing happens until legislation imports
Speaker 8: it into domestic law. Is this the first step of
Speaker 8: importing it into domestic law?
Speaker 9: I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw.
Speaker 1: That they were really compromised by China.
Speaker 2: They gave out misleading information in the WHO They told
Speaker 2: everyone that COVID nineteen and there was no human to
Speaker 2: human transmission.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was a highly infectious virus.
Speaker 8: And they still insisted on telling people that if you
Speaker 8: got vaccinated, you would then.
Speaker 9: Not infect anybody else. That was an absolute lie.
Speaker 8: All it did was allegedly make the disease less in
Speaker 8: your own body. You are not a risk to anybody
Speaker 8: else in your own body. It was supposed to make
Speaker 8: it less.
Speaker 9: Now we've got.
Speaker 8: What thousands of people who are walking around who have
Speaker 8: been affected by the vaccinations because.
Speaker 9: Of the reactions they had. They were rushed through so much.
Speaker 8: There weren't so much to look at in a royal
Speaker 8: commission that will hopefully prevent unproven things being pumped into
Speaker 8: people's bodies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very quick response, Caleb. I'm sure we'll hear more
Speaker 2: from you about this at ten o'clock tonight.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, I mean the vaccine stuff seriously. I mean the
Speaker 6: report says that it was the rollout of vaccines was
Speaker 6: too slow and that cost lives. Well, no, I think
Speaker 6: the damage that was done by the States cost a
Speaker 6: lot more lives. And as for a CDC, the one
Speaker 6: thing that really went wrong during COVID was bureaucrats running
Speaker 6: the show. And now we're being told the one thing
Speaker 6: that would save us if this ever happened again is
Speaker 6: to have another outfit with even more bureaucrats in it,
Speaker 6: pull the other way that had joke.
Speaker 2: And by the way, when is anyone going to apologize
Speaker 2: for taping up children's playgrounds like there were some rhyme scene.
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Children were barely affected by COVID if they were healthy,
Speaker 2: young kids, and they couldn't even go to a playground.
Speaker 2: I mean, those lost childhoods. Never get them back. All right,
Speaker 2: kayleb Bond, BNT Brenwan Bishop, thank you both so much,
Speaker 2: and we'll see you at ten o'clock tonight. Now, since
Speaker 2: the October seven terror attacks, we've seen outrageous claims from
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian activists that Jews should be expelled from Israel,
Speaker 2: a one state solution from the river to the sea. Well,
Speaker 2: these activists push misinformation. They're presenting Jews as white colonizers,
Speaker 2: ignoring the reality that Jews are indigenous to the land
Speaker 2: of Israel. And the reality is that in many parts
Speaker 2: of the Middle East, like Iran, Syria and Iraq, Christians
Speaker 2: and Jews have been persecuted and expelled.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: I spoke to the former editor in chief of The
Speaker 2: Australian Current columnist Chris Mitchell about this a little earlier.
Speaker 1: Chris Mitchell, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 2: You've written an exceptional column and it's been one of
Speaker 2: the most well read articles on the Australian website. You
Speaker 2: write about how Jews are presented as colonizers.
Speaker 1: This is far from the truth, Chris.
Speaker 2: Can you explain to us how Jews are actually indigenous
Speaker 2: to the land of Israel.
Speaker 7: The truth is they're the direct inheritors of the original
Speaker 7: Canaanite civilization in the area. So just as Aboriginal Australians
Speaker 7: would say they are the original people here and everyone
Speaker 7: who came after them are colonizers, the truth is the
Speaker 7: Jews are the original inhabitants of that part of the Levant.
Speaker 7: I'd say they meet virtually all of the seven UN
Speaker 7: criteria for indigeneity, and there are sort of an ethno
Speaker 7: religious group much the same way as Australian Aborigines are.
Speaker 7: So it's not just a religion like Islam, it's a
Speaker 7: religion identified with the people, and those people have been
Speaker 7: from that area forever and they have the same genealogical
Speaker 7: and genetic back to the Canaanites wherever they are in
Speaker 7: the world.
Speaker 2: Chris Jews were connected with the land of Israel for
Speaker 2: at least at least a thousand years before the religion
Speaker 2: of Islam even began.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You write about how Palestinian activists are now demanding people
Speaker 2: use Arabic terms for cities in Israel our kods for Jerusalem,
Speaker 2: for example, and you argue that this is laughable because
Speaker 2: the original Hebrew names far predate Arab settlement.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it might be more than two thousand
Speaker 7: years ahead of you know, the Arab colonization of the area.
Speaker 7: I think the idea that you know, people like Randall
Speaker 7: abul Fatar, you know, an intellectual who is on a
Speaker 7: research grant of eight hundred thousand dollars, and you know,
Speaker 7: an advocate for Palestinian riots would be retweeting claims that
Speaker 7: we should reverse to Arab names for old Jewish towns.
Speaker 7: It's so Affaboard's analogous to insisting that we call Ularu
Speaker 7: now is Rock because the colonizers were actually the Aboriginal
Speaker 7: people rather than the Brits who came here and called
Speaker 7: Ada's rock.
Speaker 2: Well, can you tell us about the history of Arabs
Speaker 2: with the land of Israel and when they started referring
Speaker 2: to themselves as Palestinians.
Speaker 7: Well, I think, you know, if you look at the
Speaker 7: early part of the twentieth century, and I think it's
Speaker 7: pretty clear from the nineteen forty seven forty eight attack
Speaker 7: by the Arabs on what was then Palestine that Palestine
Speaker 7: at the time was seen by all Westerners as a
Speaker 7: land of Jews. So the UN one resolution proposed that
Speaker 7: along the green line everything from the sea that the
Speaker 7: green line would be Israel, and then a Palestinian state
Speaker 7: for people who identified as Palestinians but were in fact
Speaker 7: ethnic Arabs would be built between that line and Jordan.
Speaker 7: Now we have to remember that the Palestinian state in
Speaker 7: the world that is actually Jordan, and that's where most
Speaker 7: Palestinian people live, so at its heart, I think this
Speaker 7: probably is a problem that goes back to six hundred
Speaker 7: AD after the rise of Islam. The conquest of the
Speaker 7: region came between six thirty six and six forty and
Speaker 7: the area was really dominated by Arabs for most of
Speaker 7: that period. So you know, there were other conquests like
Speaker 7: the Ottoman conquests, et cetera. But these people essentially colonized
Speaker 7: the whole of the Middle East, and they went right
Speaker 7: out to Spain, you know. So you can read about
Speaker 7: Jewish poets in Spain who stood up to the Arabs
Speaker 7: in the fourteen nineties. You know, the imaginings of Palestinian
Speaker 7: advocates that they were always ethnic Palestinians are ridiculous. So
Speaker 7: there may be some Palestinians who have Canaanite ancestry as well,
Speaker 7: but they would have been people who were either Christian
Speaker 7: or Jewish who converted to Islam after six hundred and
Speaker 7: forty a d. Now, the big immigration in more recent
Speaker 7: periods to the region came under the British mandate, so
Speaker 7: probably four hundred thousand people of Arab extraction moved into
Speaker 7: Palestine and They largely went four regulated wages rates so
Speaker 7: they could be better paid and work more regulated hours
Speaker 7: in what was then Palestine than they would have in
Speaker 7: other parts of the Middle East. But they knew, and
Speaker 7: they wrote about it at the time, that they were
Speaker 7: coming to a Jewish land.
Speaker 2: Look, I just want to ask you about Pennywong's comments today.
Speaker 2: The Albanesi government is opposing Israel's decision to stop UNRAH
Speaker 2: operating in Israel because of its proven clear links to terrorism.
Speaker 1: What's your view on this?
Speaker 7: Well, Look, I think it's really bit admitted that there
Speaker 7: were links between UNRAH and the and the October seven massacre.
Speaker 7: So even the UN itself sacked nine of the twelve
Speaker 7: names that the Israelis gave them. I think this sort
Speaker 7: of fits with the wider picture of suspicion about the
Speaker 7: UN in Israel, and I think people are rightly suspicious.
Speaker 7: I noticed today that the IDF has revealed footage of
Speaker 7: tunnels in southern Lebanon. Now these are tunnels that were
Speaker 7: built for what was meant to be an invasion of
Speaker 7: northern Israel and a repeat of October seventh by Hezbollah.
Speaker 7: Now UNIFIL, you know, who were so upset about the
Speaker 7: attack on their headquarters last week. Uniform has said all along,
Speaker 7: there's no evidence of these tunnels existing. Well, the IDF
Speaker 7: went down and took journalists in there today, so these
Speaker 7: tunnels exist and the plan did exist. So you know
Speaker 7: what we're really seeing here is a repeat in Lebanon
Speaker 7: of the sorts of furfees driven by the un that
Speaker 7: have been powering the media narrative since last year. On Gaza.
Speaker 2: Chris Mitchell terrific columns every single week on Monday in
Speaker 2: The Australian and appreciate your time, Thanks Harry. And after
Speaker 2: the break, Anthony Alberanezi accused of breaching the Ministerial code
Speaker 2: of conduct. Well, the columnist, the author who revealed all
Speaker 2: of this, Joe Aston, will join us on the show
Speaker 2: and he doesn't hold back. Plus, the Trump campaign in
Speaker 2: damage control after a joke by a comedian at the
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden rally backfires. Will cross live to the
Speaker 2: US for the latest.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, the Albanzi government is tonight in damage control mode.
Speaker 2: The political fallout from the Quantus upgrade scandal now taking
Speaker 2: on a life of its own. Albanizi hasn't denied personally
Speaker 2: asking former Quantus chief executive Allan Joys for upgrades. These
Speaker 2: business class flights are worth tens of thousands of dollars,
Speaker 2: and then news today that he's been getting these perks
Speaker 2: since ninety ninety nine. I spoke about all of this
Speaker 2: with Joe Aston, the author of The Chairman's Lounge, a
Speaker 2: little earlier. Joe Aston, thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: time and congratulations in your book.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Cherry certainly making news today and the Prime Minister he's
Speaker 2: under pressure over the revelations over the flight upgrades. He's
Speaker 2: attacked you personally over this. What's your response to what
Speaker 2: he's had to say today?
Speaker 3: So the Prime Minister complained that apparently I've failed to
Speaker 3: disclose that I was once a liberal staffer and that
Speaker 3: I also worked for Quantus. My advice would be perhaps
Speaker 3: one of the fifty taxpayer funded staff who worked for
Speaker 3: him could have read the first couple of pages of
Speaker 3: the book, because it's there that I was a Quantus
Speaker 3: employee before the contents page, and the fact that I
Speaker 3: was a liberal staffer is literally on the first line
Speaker 3: of the first page of the book.
Speaker 1: So he's deflecting.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he's unfortunately decided to shoot the messenger, and
Speaker 3: he seems unable to answer the only question that people
Speaker 3: are interested in hearing.
Speaker 2: This is a classic strategy to avoid having to answer
Speaker 2: questions about the own upgrades and the benefits that he's received.
Speaker 1: Over the years. He says he's declared them. So what
Speaker 1: has he done that's actually wrong here?
Speaker 3: Well, well, I think potentially he hasn't technically done anything
Speaker 3: wrong if he has disclosed all of his flight upgrades,
Speaker 3: which he says he has, But that really says something
Speaker 3: about what's wrong with the rules. You can disclose gifts
Speaker 3: all you want, but the fact is he was Transport
Speaker 3: minister and he was seeking upgrades and accepting upgrades from
Speaker 3: a national airline that he was actually in charge of regulating.
Speaker 3: As we learned during the Katar affair last year, the
Speaker 3: Transport Minister of Australia has really unique personal discretion over
Speaker 3: which airlines can fly into Australia and how often they
Speaker 3: can fly. So for the Transport for a Transport minister
Speaker 3: to be accepting benefits from, or to be seeking and
Speaker 3: then accepting benefits from an airline worth tens of thousands
Speaker 3: of dollars, it's just I don't see how anyone can
Speaker 3: say that's acceptable even if it is disclosed.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've made the comparison to a CEO from
Speaker 2: A and Z or Westpac giving fifty thousand dollars into
Speaker 2: a prime minister's or a politician's bank accounts and that
Speaker 2: person them disclosing it. You know, it still raises questions.
Speaker 1: Oh totally. So what do you think of the.
Speaker 2: Major decisions You just refer to Qatar Airlines, But what
Speaker 2: do you think of the major decisions that Albanezi has
Speaker 2: made over the years that have benefited Quantus?
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, well, certainly last year when Quantus
Speaker 3: was going off the rails, and as we many of
Speaker 3: us remember, they had the highest prices and the worst
Speaker 3: customer service in memory, and they were in an absolute
Speaker 3: brand crisis which they're still recovering from. At that time,
Speaker 3: the Albanesi government defunded the hriplec's airline monitoring powers, which
Speaker 3: only Quantus had sought to have ended. No other parties
Speaker 3: had wanted to do that, so they basically cut the
Speaker 3: hble C's off at the knees. And of course then
Speaker 3: there's the guitar decision. So I would point out that
Speaker 3: the Albanese government has brought in a very very i'd
Speaker 3: say almost radical industrial relations changes that do a lot
Speaker 3: of damage to Quantus's business model, so it hasn't been
Speaker 3: all one way traffic.
Speaker 2: Aside from the flight upgrades, one of the main revelations
Speaker 2: from your reporting has been that the Prime Minister requested
Speaker 2: from Alan Joyce a chairman's lounge membership for his son Nathan.
Speaker 2: Now he has said in the past few days that
Speaker 2: this was just a plus one that replaced Carmel Tebbet's
Speaker 2: plus one. But in fact I'm told that well, Carmel Tebbetts,
Speaker 2: she was Deputy Premier in New South Wales, that she
Speaker 2: had a chairman's lounge membership in her own right, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't the case that she was the prime Minister's
Speaker 2: plus one. Does your reporting back this up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I wrote this twelve months ago, August twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, and the Prime Minister was so outraged he
Speaker 3: tried to shut the story down. He called my editor
Speaker 3: in chief and has now you know, has basically put
Speaker 3: a personal boycott on the AFI won't speak at any conferences.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all a bit this is about his
Speaker 2: son receiving the lounge.
Speaker 3: Miss she's so angry about that story being run, and
Speaker 3: he's never dealt with it. He just has never even
Speaker 3: confirmed that it's true. And until this week, I mean
Speaker 3: a year later, he finally says, yeah, okay, he does
Speaker 3: have a Chairman's land to membership. But as you say,
Speaker 3: he's added this new story that he's apparently Albanese's plus one. Well,
Speaker 3: I find again I find that an implausible explanation because
Speaker 3: Jody Hayden was disclosed by Albanesi in his Register of
Speaker 3: interest in October twenty twenty two as Albanese's plus one,
Speaker 3: So how can his son be his plus one? And
Speaker 3: my understanding is certainly that it was only when Alberanzi
Speaker 3: became Prime Minister that he asked Alan Joyce to make
Speaker 3: his son a Chairman's Lounge member, remember, which is more
Speaker 3: than three years after his marriage to Carmel Tevit ended.
Speaker 3: So I think there's still questions about that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he claims you're targeting his family, that this isn't
Speaker 2: a matter of public interest.
Speaker 1: What do you say to that?
Speaker 3: I find that pretty tiresome. You sort of get used
Speaker 3: to it. But I mean the idea that I am
Speaker 3: targeting his family or that it's my fault or the
Speaker 3: financial reviews fault, or the book's fault that his son
Speaker 3: is being raised in the news. Is just completely not
Speaker 3: taking responsibility for his own actions. His grasping behavior, asking
Speaker 3: for benefits for his family while he's in public office.
Speaker 3: That's what caused his son to be in the news,
Speaker 3: and he just and again, I think we're seeing more
Speaker 3: of this. He has this inability to take responsibility for
Speaker 3: his own actions. He has a real blind spot around
Speaker 3: what's appropriate.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, the political side of it is
Speaker 2: obviously fascinating, but where it becomes a serious issue is
Speaker 2: if the politicians aren't properly holding Quantum to account or
Speaker 2: ensuring proper conduct from our national carrier. When it comes
Speaker 2: to issue like the COVID flight credits. This was an
Speaker 2: egregious conduct from Quantus. So do you think that the politicians,
Speaker 2: if they weren't on the take from Quantus, they might
Speaker 2: have been tougher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think, well, setting aside COVID credits,
Speaker 3: I think for more than three decades, governments and politicians
Speaker 3: of both stripes have been you know, in licking the
Speaker 3: trough of Quantus for that entire period of time, now
Speaker 3: Quantus is the best user and wielder of soft influence
Speaker 3: in Australia, and I go into great detail about that
Speaker 3: in my book. But you know, more recently, the company,
Speaker 3: the company let the Australian people down. The company wants
Speaker 3: to be the national carrier, the spirit of Australia, but
Speaker 3: it went m a in COVID, and it used COVID
Speaker 3: as a super profit supercharging opportunity to make more money
Speaker 3: than they've ever made before. And they sold Australians down
Speaker 3: the river. And what I think the Australian government and
Speaker 3: the opposition, you know, they switch around, as you know
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, but both sides would never have
Speaker 3: allowed Quantus such an easy run if they weren't also compromise.
Speaker 1: Just finally, quickly before you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, some people are missing your columns in the
Speaker 2: fin Review, other's.
Speaker 1: Not so much.
Speaker 2: But I'm interested in your view about Albinizi as a
Speaker 2: character because the position, the perception is cementing that he
Speaker 2: is that he does like a freebeat, whether it's the
Speaker 2: Grand Final tickets, Taylor Swift tickets, his cliptop mansion and
Speaker 2: now the revelations of the twenty two flight upgrades at least.
Speaker 2: What's your view on how he's presented himself as this
Speaker 2: boy from housing Commission.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting in my experience writing about very powerful
Speaker 3: people for a long period of time, the ones who
Speaker 3: bang on the most about their origin story, you know,
Speaker 3: about how they grew up in a brown paper bag,
Speaker 3: they floated to an Australia on a stick of spaghetti.
Speaker 3: They're always the ones who are most are most susceptible
Speaker 3: to the high life. And I think it's certainly true
Speaker 3: that for someone who came from so little, Albanizi has
Speaker 3: an insatiable appetite for VIP travel and hospitality.
Speaker 2: All Right, Joe Aston, thank you very much and congratulations
Speaker 2: once again in your book.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Cherry.
Speaker 2: And coming up after the break, why Penny Wong insists
Speaker 2: on giving taxpayer funds our taxpayer funds to an organization
Speaker 2: linked to hamas she has.
Speaker 1: Truly lost the plot.
Speaker 2: Plus the warning to Albanesi from a labor insider about
Speaker 2: doing a deal with the devil, and by that he
Speaker 2: means the Greens stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Okay, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, let's jump straight into it now with our panel.
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave and former Labor advisor Darren Bynett.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at what pennywog Can said today. Now,
Speaker 2: Israel quite rightly Pastor Bill banning the discredited UNRA because
Speaker 2: of its long history to terrorism, including some of their
Speaker 2: staff actually participating in the October seventh attacks. And you
Speaker 2: all know the history by now. It would be disgraceful
Speaker 2: for our taxpayer funds, our hard walking dollars to go
Speaker 2: towards that organization when there are other ways of giving eight. Yet,
Speaker 2: of course, anyone attacked Israel's decision have a look.
Speaker 11: The best available current advice from agencies and the Australian
Speaker 11: government lawyers is that UNRA is not a terrorist organization
Speaker 11: and that existing and additional safeguards sufficiently protect Australian taxpayer funnel.
Speaker 2: I mean, Gary, it is obvious by now we have
Speaker 2: seen so many terrorists carrying around their UNRA badgers. Surely
Speaker 2: it Pennywong must have concerns that millions of taxpayer dollars
Speaker 2: are going to support terrorism.
Speaker 12: Yeah you think so, Shari, And I mean who does
Speaker 12: she work for? She works for us, But in fact
Speaker 12: what she's showing is she actually works for the internationalists
Speaker 12: who want to pull apart Western society. We cannot allow
Speaker 12: even a sniff of Australian money to end up somewhere
Speaker 12: near or give comfort to those who are terrorists. We
Speaker 12: are an award to save the West. Israelis on the
Speaker 12: front line and if Israelan's made a judgment based on
Speaker 12: what they see in their country, then we should back
Speaker 12: them all the way.
Speaker 2: It's a no brainer, and especially because the evidence has
Speaker 2: been presented to everyone. And also what concerns me Darren
Speaker 2: is that she didn't even bother to wait for the
Speaker 2: official investigation into the links between HUMAS and AUNRA before
Speaker 2: kickstarting our funding.
Speaker 5: Well, I think if you look at the vote, it
Speaker 5: was ninety two votes to ten in the Israeli parliament,
Speaker 5: so is not a close decision. And I think what
Speaker 5: Gary says is true that you have to respect the
Speaker 5: wishes of the Israeli parliament and act accordingly. So the government.
Speaker 5: I know they are playing an internationalist game and they
Speaker 5: are singing from the same song sheet as several other
Speaker 5: similar countries to ours, but you've got to respect the
Speaker 5: rights of the Israeli parliament on this one, I think.
Speaker 1: And there are other ways of giving aid.
Speaker 2: Aid is important, there are other ways of giving it
Speaker 2: without us all having concerns that we are enabling terrorism.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just appalling. I actually can't believe we
Speaker 2: have this foreign minister. The sooner we get rid of
Speaker 2: her the better. Now, I don't usually think that former
Speaker 2: Labor Minister Kim Karr is worth listening to.
Speaker 1: He's as radical as they come.
Speaker 2: Yet he's given quite an interesting interview where he said
Speaker 2: that the Albaneze government can't afford to do a deal
Speaker 2: with the Greens, and he wants that the Greens will
Speaker 2: be asking labor to do things that they don't want
Speaker 2: to do and the historic pattern that has been that
Speaker 2: has led to quite negative outcomes. He's saying that we've
Speaker 2: got to do everything we can to avoid minority government. Now,
Speaker 2: Gary Kim Karr is a far left labor figure, but
Speaker 2: even he's warning that the Greens are going to make
Speaker 2: some quite serious demands on labor should Albanezi have to
Speaker 2: do a deal at the next election.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and we used to nickname him in a fun
Speaker 12: way kim Ilka. You know, it's giving a sort of
Speaker 12: Korean dictator kind of slant. But look, Kim car is right.
Speaker 12: How I can't even believe I'm saying that, because the
Speaker 12: Labor Party are going to be taken over by the Greens,
Speaker 12: even more than some elements of the Labor Party have
Speaker 12: already been taken over. We saw it in the Queens
Speaker 12: Out election, we saw it in the Act election back
Speaker 12: earlier this year, the Brisbane City Council election. People are
Speaker 12: actually voting against the Greens. Now, people are actually saying,
Speaker 12: you know what, your support of Hamas, your support and
Speaker 12: comfort for terrorists, is not about the environment. It's about tyranny.
Speaker 12: It's about anarchy and if the Labor Party want to
Speaker 12: be involved with them, Kim Kim Ilka, there go, I've
Speaker 12: done it again. Kim Karr is right, you know, stay
Speaker 12: away from these people. They're bad people, making bad decisions
Speaker 12: and speaking in our name on really the wrong issues
Speaker 12: all the time. So Labor, you've got to be a
Speaker 12: grown up party. Steer clear of them, I say, and
Speaker 12: don't even give them preferences. Heaven's help us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, just quickly those comments we played of Penniwong
Speaker 2: a second ago. That was Pennywong back in March speaking
Speaker 2: about Anna Rabbert. Today on social media and on Twitter,
Speaker 2: you can pull up her statement or on X I
Speaker 2: should say she condemned Israel over that decision to ban
Speaker 2: Anra operating now Darren realistically, Albertiezi says he's not going
Speaker 2: to do a deal with the Greens, but if it
Speaker 2: comes to it, if it's his only way of staying
Speaker 2: in power, I mean of course he's going to.
Speaker 5: I think his preference would be to go to other
Speaker 5: independents before relying on the Greens, because we saw what
Speaker 5: happened last time and I worked for Julia, but Julia
Speaker 5: Gillard signing effectively a declaration with Bob Brown was not
Speaker 5: to her benefit at all. What Kim Car says is
Speaker 5: absolutely true that unlike the coalition between the LNP in
Speaker 5: Queenza but the Liberal National Coalition, the Greens are not
Speaker 5: there to make Labor elected. There are many in the
Speaker 5: Greens who their long term ambition is to take over
Speaker 5: the progressive or the left vote to Labour's detriment. And
Speaker 5: with that in mind, it's a dangerous thing for Labor
Speaker 5: to go into coalition and they will do everything they
Speaker 5: can to not go into a formal coalition with the Greens.
Speaker 2: Just remind me, were you working for Julia Gillard when
Speaker 2: it was the hung Parliament and there was that extraordinary
Speaker 2: long negotiation with Oakshardan.
Speaker 5: No, I wasn't. I left Tanya's office at the end
Speaker 5: of the term and I came back to Julia's office
Speaker 5: some time up. But I did watch those eighteen minutes
Speaker 5: when for all of us inside the show, it was
Speaker 5: perfectly obvious if Catter had gone one way, the other
Speaker 5: two would going the other way. So it was kind
Speaker 5: of in real time. It was quite painful. I quite
Speaker 5: like Robot Shop, but it was a painful brest cot No.
Speaker 1: Anyway, oakshots a topic for another day. Gary Hargrave, Darren Barnett,
Speaker 1: thank you both very much. Now, coming up after the break.
Speaker 2: Why Donald Trump is distancing himself from a joke made
Speaker 2: at one of his own rallies by a guest speaker
Speaker 2: across Live to New York as this fallout intensifies. Plus
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the crucial final days, just eight days
Speaker 2: left of this presidential campaign. Okay, let's go Live to
Speaker 2: the United States now and bring in the Australians. Washington
Speaker 2: correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam, thanks for joining me again. Now
Speaker 2: you were on the ground at the Madison Square Garden rally.
Speaker 2: This was described as some Hitler Nazi affair, but actually
Speaker 2: there were thousands and thousands of Jews who were there,
Speaker 2: In fact, the Jewish community, I would say, mostly in
Speaker 2: the US, and people hate hearing this, are supporting Trump
Speaker 2: because they're single issue voters.
Speaker 1: But what were your takeouts from the night.
Speaker 13: Well, just the level of energy and the huge numbers
Speaker 13: of people. I mean, it was fully a capacity twenty
Speaker 13: thousand people. I had to cueue up three hours before
Speaker 13: the start just to get in, and many thousands of people.
Speaker 10: Were turned away outside.
Speaker 13: And just on the Jewish issue, there were many Israeli
Speaker 13: flags flying within the event. So the idea it was
Speaker 13: some sort of Nazi ralliers is just totally absurd. It
Speaker 13: was very peaceful, very happy. There's lots of energy, lots
Speaker 13: of happiness. There were no fights, and it went for
Speaker 13: six and a half hours, so you had, you know,
Speaker 13: twenty thousand people in the stadium for six and a
Speaker 13: half hours listening to Trump and his various allies.
Speaker 10: And of course the media.
Speaker 13: Has made a huge deal out of this one silly
Speaker 13: joke that happened right at the start by the first speaker,
Speaker 13: by a speaker that I'd never heard of, actually some
Speaker 13: new comedian.
Speaker 10: You know, he said a stupid joke.
Speaker 2: But I've actually got those comments from that comedian.
Speaker 1: So let's have a look at this.
Speaker 3: But there's literally a floating island of garbage in the
Speaker 3: middle of the ocean right now.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: So this has actually sparked, as you say, a major
Speaker 2: backlash in the media. The Trump campaign has had to
Speaker 2: respond to this. They say that it doesn't reflect the
Speaker 2: former president's views.
Speaker 1: But you know why is he being blamed for this.
Speaker 10: Well, because they're desperate, I think.
Speaker 13: And if you look at the polls and if you
Speaker 13: look at the political betting markets, everything has been moving
Speaker 13: Trump's way.
Speaker 10: I mean, just literally half an hour.
Speaker 13: Ago, I checked the betting markets to see whether all
Speaker 13: this drama had made any difference to what people think
Speaker 13: the outcome will be. And in fact, Trump's chances of
Speaker 13: winning has gone from sixty one to sixty three percent.
Speaker 10: So I don't think it's really made any difference.
Speaker 13: I mean, the reality is, I mean, who's going to
Speaker 13: make a decision to vote based on a you know,
Speaker 13: a random joke from a random comedian.
Speaker 10: I mean I think it's I think it's very unlikely.
Speaker 13: I think most sensible people know that this guy is
Speaker 13: not he's not aligned with the Trump campaign.
Speaker 10: So look, I think it'll I think it'll wash over.
Speaker 2: I have to say, I think it's amazing that twenty
Speaker 2: thousand people can sit for six and a half hours
Speaker 2: engaged at a rally.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine Albo or really any.
Speaker 2: Of our political leaders trying to get people up and
Speaker 2: stay stay awake for ten minutes, let alone at six hours.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing.
Speaker 2: I want to quickly ask you about this Washington Post issue.
Speaker 2: They've decided it's a left leading newspaper. They've decided not
Speaker 2: to endorse a candidate. There's now mass resignations and subscription cancelations.
Speaker 2: People are so angry that they're not backing in Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: What's Jeff Bezos said about this Adam.
Speaker 13: Well, look, well, I mean his direct remarks. I mean
Speaker 13: he wants to stay neutral. I think in the face
Speaker 13: of a you know what is likely at Trump victory.
Speaker 13: But it's not just the Washington Post, it's also the
Speaker 13: La Times as well that's decided not to endorse a candidate.
Speaker 13: I mean, I think it's a pragmatic move, and you know, maybe,
Speaker 13: if anything, it increases respect for these newspapers amongst the
Speaker 13: general public, so they're not seen as such campaigning vehicles anymore.
Speaker 13: But you know the reality is, I don't think many
Speaker 13: people really base their votes on these editorials from you
Speaker 13: know what, are fairly elite liberal newspapers anywhere.
Speaker 2: I think they don't even have to give an official endorsement.
Speaker 2: I actually do subscribe to the Washington Post because it's
Speaker 2: just kind of entertaining to read.
Speaker 1: The one sided coverage. But there's no.
Speaker 2: Question they support Kamala Harris anyway. Adam Crichton, thanks for
Speaker 2: your time, and I'll see you everyone tomorrow at eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: Right now, here's Paul Murray.