WEBVTT - Sharri | 29 October

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Alberizi tonight accused of breaching the Ministerial Code of Conduct

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<v Speaker 2>by soliciting business flight upgrades. Peter Dutton wants the Corruption

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<v Speaker 2>Commission to investigate, and Albanzi has also given a misleading

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<v Speaker 2>answer over why his son had chairman's lounge access. Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Aston will be on my show tonight and boy does

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<v Speaker 2>he hit back at Albanzi.

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<v Speaker 3>The ones who bang on the most about their origin story,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, about how they grew up in a brown

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<v Speaker 3>paper bag or they floated to an Australia on a

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<v Speaker 3>stick of spaghetti. They're always the ones who are most

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<v Speaker 3>are most susceptible to the high life. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's certainly true that for someone who came from so little,

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<v Speaker 3>Albanesi has an insatiable appetite for VIP travel and hospitality.

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<v Speaker 2>That's coming up also tonight, Petty Wong furious that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>dared to block a UN organization that has a long

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<v Speaker 2>history of supporting terror. Why would the Foreign Minister be

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<v Speaker 2>so upset about this? Chris Mitchell would join me to discuss,

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<v Speaker 2>and eight days out from the US election, will Cross

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<v Speaker 2>Live to Washington, where Adam Crichton will break down the

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<v Speaker 2>latest positive poll for Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>But as one comedian's bad joke cost him votes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to discuss that with Bronwin Bishop and Caleb

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<v Speaker 2>Bond in a moment. But first tonight, accusations that Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Alberzi has misled voters about why his son had chairman's

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<v Speaker 2>lounge access. This comes as Peter Dutton accuses alben Ezi

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<v Speaker 2>of breaching the Ministerial Code of Conduct. His also said

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<v Speaker 2>this entire matter should be referred to the Corruption Commission

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<v Speaker 2>for investigation. Now this has now become a political scandal.

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<v Speaker 2>Albinizi is accused of misleading voters over why he asked

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<v Speaker 2>the QUANTT chief executive Alan Joyce for a chairman's lounge

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<v Speaker 2>access for his son Nathan.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when this.

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<v Speaker 2>Revelation first emerged over a year ago, Albanezy refused to

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<v Speaker 2>comment on it at all. The Prime Minister had never

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<v Speaker 2>disclosed this gift on his register of interests. But this

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<v Speaker 2>week he finally spoke about it and he claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>his son was his new plus one.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 4>All that happened was my relationship ended. My relationship ended,

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<v Speaker 4>and my plus one when that happened, and I put

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<v Speaker 4>out a media release when my marriage ended. You can't

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<v Speaker 4>be more transparent than that, and my plus one became

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<v Speaker 4>my son.

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<v Speaker 2>That seemed to satisfy the journalists at the press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>But is it true. Not quite.

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<v Speaker 2>Albaneze claimed as he heard that Carmel Tebbert was his

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<v Speaker 2>plus one, But in fact I'm told that she had

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<v Speaker 2>her own Quantus chairman's lounge access, completely independent of Albanesi,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was of course Deputy Premiere in New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales and also Education Minister. And secondly, by the time

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<v Speaker 2>Albanesi asked Alan Joyce to give his son the lounge access, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd split up from Carmel Tebbert around three years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Aston explains this discrepancy in the interview I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Done with him that's airing on the show tonight. Have

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<v Speaker 1>a look.

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<v Speaker 3>I find again, I find that an implausible explanation because

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<v Speaker 3>Jody Hayden was disclosed by Albanesi in his Register of

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<v Speaker 3>interest in October twenty twenty two as Albanese's plus one,

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<v Speaker 3>So how can his son be his plus one?

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<v Speaker 2>There's just so many holes in all of Albanese's answers

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<v Speaker 2>and Joe Aston coming up on the show a bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>He also responds to the claims from Albanzi that the

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<v Speaker 2>journalist is targeting his faumily by focusing on his son's

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<v Speaker 2>chairman's lounge access. So what we've seen today and you

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<v Speaker 2>know this by now, that the Prime Minister is now

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<v Speaker 2>attacking Joe Aston a journalist, instead of just being straightforward

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<v Speaker 2>and honest and open with voters about all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Alban Easy repeatedly promised that he was going to do

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<v Speaker 2>politics differently. But we're not seeing transparency. We're only seeing

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<v Speaker 2>attacks on Aston.

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<v Speaker 4>The person who is trying to sell a book, and

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<v Speaker 4>fair enough, I don't see decorations that he's a former

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<v Speaker 4>Liberal Party staffer for a number of senior members of

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<v Speaker 4>the Liberal Party, including Joe Hockey and Bruce Bird. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't see decorations he as a former Counus employee. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't see decorations. In June, just a few months ago,

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<v Speaker 4>he was a guest him and John Howard, a Liberal

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<v Speaker 4>Party fundraiser in the electorate of Worth.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, this is petulant. Seriously, a prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister under scrutiny for integrity issues, starts attacking a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanize cannot avoid answering questions by hitting out at Joe Aston.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that it's relevant, but Joe Aston's disclosures are pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 2>On page one of this book, he discloses that he

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<v Speaker 2>did previously work for both Quantas and the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that's probably why he has such

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<v Speaker 2>good access to intel. It's beside the point. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>about Aston's disclosures. He's not getting a taxpayer funded salary.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not answerable to voters. This is about Albernizi's disclosures.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what matters and Albanize He also refused to directly

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<v Speaker 2>answer questions about whether he requested or solicited the gifts

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<v Speaker 2>from his mate Alan Joyce.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you call Alan Joys personally for these upgrades?

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<v Speaker 4>The idea Quannas have a number in terms of bookings

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<v Speaker 4>that are private bookings.

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<v Speaker 2>So no denial at all, just yet again deflection by

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<v Speaker 2>talking about some private number and on that what is

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<v Speaker 2>he talking about a number for private bookings. The Quantus

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<v Speaker 2>number that you and I have access to is the

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<v Speaker 2>one three one three, one three number where you're left

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<v Speaker 2>on hold for hours. The number Albanese he had for

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<v Speaker 2>private bookings for upgrades is Alan Joyce's personal mobile number.

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<v Speaker 2>He was basically his travel agent. And today we saw

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<v Speaker 2>Albinezi also tried to attack his political opponents for the number.

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<v Speaker 1>Of upgrades that they've had.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like a child saying, oh, but that

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<v Speaker 2>kid also stole the lollipop. This is extraordinary stuff from

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<v Speaker 2>the prime minister who promised a new era of transparency

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<v Speaker 2>in politics.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to bring people together and I want to

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<v Speaker 4>change the way that politics is conducted in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>And I do believe that we can do politics better

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<v Speaker 4>and I hope to do so.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Albenesi should read up on the Code of Conduct

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<v Speaker 2>for Ministers because it does state that yep, they're allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to accept gifts, but they must not seek or encourage

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<v Speaker 2>any form of gift in their personal capacity. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>direct quote. And there are now quite serious questions over

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<v Speaker 2>whether the Prime Minister breached those ministerial Code of Conduct rules,

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter Darton says he has well.

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<v Speaker 7>Certainly, on the face of reading the Gillard government minister

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<v Speaker 7>or Code of Conduct, the Prime Minister has breached that

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<v Speaker 7>by his own admission.

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<v Speaker 2>At no point has Albanese denied that he personally asked

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<v Speaker 2>that enjoys for upgrades worth tens of thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>and if he asked for them it would be in

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<v Speaker 2>breach as I've just shown you of the Ministerial Code

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<v Speaker 2>of Conduct. Parliament resumes next week, so it's very possible

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<v Speaker 2>that if alban Easy doesn't refer himself to the Corruption Commission,

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<v Speaker 2>which let's be Frank is not going to, then the

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition might make that referral. Just months out from the

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<v Speaker 2>federal election, things couldn't be looking worse for alban Easy now.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's premiers have been blasted for their handling of the

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<v Speaker 2>COVID nineteen pandemic, with the Federal Inquiry report released today

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<v Speaker 2>saying that some differences were not easily explained and no

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<v Speaker 2>rationale was provided. This included the operation of state border

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<v Speaker 2>closures that states enacted unilaterally and that lacked consistency and

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<v Speaker 2>compassion in implementation, stating the obvious. The inquiry also found

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<v Speaker 2>that vaccine mandates has reduced the motivation of some people

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<v Speaker 2>to be vaccinated for COVID nineteen and has led to

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing reluctance to receive vaccines. Now, the main recommendation from

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<v Speaker 2>this inquiry is to set up a CDC, a Center

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<v Speaker 2>for disease control like they have in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>which by the way, didn't do any better than Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's so appalling about this is that the Albanezy

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<v Speaker 2>government had already decided to set up a CDC long

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<v Speaker 2>before the inquiry recommendations came out. The website has been

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<v Speaker 2>built for literally more than eight or nine months, so

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<v Speaker 2>this was a foregone conclusion. It wasn't an outcome of

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<v Speaker 2>this report, as the minister's.

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<v Speaker 1>Told us today.

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<v Speaker 2>And worst of all, the main action to prevent another

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic would be to investigate the origins of COVID nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>work out why this virus spread.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But not once has Albanezi asked Chinese President Shijingping his

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<v Speaker 2>good mate about this, not once, because it was Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Morrison's demand for an inquiry into the origins of the

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<v Speaker 2>virus that sparked China's aggression against Australia in the first place,

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<v Speaker 2>including all.

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<v Speaker 1>The trade tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>But to prevent another pandemic, we do need to know

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<v Speaker 2>how it began. We do need a ban on dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>gain of function research, risky research that was initially banned

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<v Speaker 2>under the Obama administration for viruses like coronaviruses. Yet now

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<v Speaker 2>gainer function research is taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>All over the world. We need a proper commission of inquiry.

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<v Speaker 2>This inquiry that we've seen the results of today was

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<v Speaker 2>a whitewash, no proper scrutiny. Mark Butler today we've heard

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<v Speaker 2>him speak about the paper trayal and faxes. I mean, seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the sort of tough questions that need to

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<v Speaker 2>be examined to ensure we don't have another pandemic, and

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<v Speaker 2>if we do, to make sure that the authorities know

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<v Speaker 2>how to handle it. Okay, lots to talk about tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Aston coming up, plus Chris Mitchell on his incredible

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<v Speaker 2>column this week about how Jews are the indigenous people

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel. But first now let's bring in tonight's panel,

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News host kayleb Bond and our regular former Speaker

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<v Speaker 2>of the House Bronwin Bishop.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you both. Look, let's start by talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About Anthony Albanisi and this quantus scandal. Bronwin Bishop Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton has said that the Prime Minister should refer himself

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<v Speaker 2>to the Corruption Commission. How serious are the integrity issues

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<v Speaker 2>here that the PM has to answer for?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I guess the issues are being clearly spilled out today,

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<v Speaker 8>and that is the code of conduct, not being allowed

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<v Speaker 8>to ask for a gift as to think from being

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<v Speaker 8>offered one when it's got a monetary value of three

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<v Speaker 8>hundred and fifty dollars and seven hundred dollars. And also

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<v Speaker 8>the question of whether when you're the regulating minister, whether

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<v Speaker 8>you're in a really serious conflict of interest situation.

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<v Speaker 9>So there where.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he the big point, isn't it? It's very conflict

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<v Speaker 1>of interest?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, So the question is and of course people then

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<v Speaker 8>related to the Kata Airlines decision of not allowing them

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<v Speaker 8>to come in and I think Albinizi said he.

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<v Speaker 9>Was protecting the national interest?

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<v Speaker 6>Was he?

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<v Speaker 9>We don't know. So it is a serious issue.

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<v Speaker 8>And I remember that Gladys bear A Jiglian was knocked

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<v Speaker 8>out of the premiership because she had reached the code

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<v Speaker 8>of conduct among other things. So there is a seriousness

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<v Speaker 8>about it, which is more.

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<v Speaker 1>Than Farrell and the bottle of another breach there, yees.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's a serious issue.

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<v Speaker 8>Whether he refers himself or not to the institution he

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<v Speaker 8>created will be interested. They were, I think quite anxious

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<v Speaker 8>to offer a couple of former Coalition ministers after that commission.

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<v Speaker 9>So it remains to be seen.

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<v Speaker 8>But that train wreck of a press conference he gave today,

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<v Speaker 8>Why was he doing it?

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<v Speaker 9>Where are his friends? And then you asked the question

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<v Speaker 9>do they really want to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Rid of him?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if Albanezy truly believes he has nothing to hide,

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<v Speaker 2>he should come out and say, yep, sure, get the

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<v Speaker 2>Corruption Commission to investigate, because I'm an open book. But

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't seen him do that. From the coalition's perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>they say the balls in his court now. It is

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<v Speaker 2>possible that they could make that referral though next week

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<v Speaker 2>when Parliament resumes. Caleb, before I get your response, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to show you just how much of a subject

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<v Speaker 2>of ridicule Albanize is becoming. This was the West Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Front page today by editor Christopher Door. Have a look

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<v Speaker 2>Business Class Warrior showing Albanizi and the Quantus PJS.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously that's not a real photograph. That's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a lock up, Caleb.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't imagine Alberizi getting changed into his PJS though,

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<v Speaker 2>when he has those, you know, twenty two plus flight

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<v Speaker 2>upgrades to business class.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to imagine him changing into his pj's.

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<v Speaker 6>There's probably a better picture than you know, after we

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<v Speaker 6>lost all that weight, before he had the car crash,

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<v Speaker 6>of course, but he said when he says that he

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<v Speaker 6>was going to do politics better, he's certainly done one

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<v Speaker 6>thing better, and that's get his snout in the trough. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>this was going on long before he was Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, we're talking most importantly about when he was

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<v Speaker 6>Transport minister. And he knows he's on the ropes. That's

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<v Speaker 6>why he gave the response he gave today. He went

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<v Speaker 6>up a dry gully and he can't back out of

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<v Speaker 6>it because he knows what he had done. And I

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<v Speaker 6>know there's been the comparison drawn, and he's tried to

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<v Speaker 6>draw the comparison.

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<v Speaker 9>No, Well, lots of.

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<v Speaker 6>Politicians accept gifts from Quantus and upgrades from Quantus. That

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<v Speaker 6>might be so, but how many others have picked up

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<v Speaker 6>the phone directly to the CEO of Quantus while they

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<v Speaker 6>are Transport minister and ask for an upgrade, not on

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<v Speaker 6>a business trip, but on a personal trip. And when

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<v Speaker 6>you are the minister in charge who has a decision

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<v Speaker 6>over what airlines are allowed to operate in this country,

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<v Speaker 6>the slots that they are allowed to have in this country.

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<v Speaker 6>It is such a direct conflict of interest that some

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<v Speaker 6>people might look at that. And we're talking about him

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<v Speaker 6>being referred to the Corruption Commission and asked the question,

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<v Speaker 6>was that corrupt conduct? He can't answer that because he

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<v Speaker 6>knows what he has done, regardless of the law, does

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<v Speaker 6>not look good. It cuts through because you and I,

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<v Speaker 6>as you said before, if we wanted to get a flight,

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<v Speaker 6>if we pick up the phone to someone, we're sitting

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<v Speaker 6>there for four hours trying to talk to someone, not

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<v Speaker 6>Anthony Alberansi. This is a major issue, not just for

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<v Speaker 6>the Prime Minister now, but for the way that the

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<v Speaker 6>airline industry is run in this country. It should not

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<v Speaker 6>be in the hands of a minister at all. As

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<v Speaker 6>far as I'm concerned, you can't blame Joyce for doing

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<v Speaker 6>what he's done. Of course he's want to curry favor

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<v Speaker 6>with the Transport Minister, but he ought to know better Albanzi,

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<v Speaker 6>that is than to get on the blower and ask

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<v Speaker 6>for a gift. It's a terrible look.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Joyce has done nothing wrong, He's done nothing illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all on the questions are all for Albansi,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just shows again how out of touch it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in a cost of living crisis. Australians can barely

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<v Speaker 2>afford interstate travel at the moment in economy. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about you Tube, but you know I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people say, oh, yes, I've had an upgrade.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what. Every time I fly, I always say,

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<v Speaker 2>can I have an upgrade? No one has ever once

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<v Speaker 2>said yes at quandas or whichever.

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<v Speaker 6>I only get with points, So I haven't been off

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<v Speaker 6>a one joy sweat.

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<v Speaker 10>Were you when I needed you for him?

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<v Speaker 1>You just can't get upgrade? So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at this COVID inquiry report Bronwen. This was

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<v Speaker 2>particularly scathing of vaccine mandates, but really only from the

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<v Speaker 2>perspective of now vaccine hesitancy.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think that the report is an absolute disgrace

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<v Speaker 8>because what we needed was a Royal Commissioner, and the

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<v Speaker 8>parameters of the report were such that investigating what individual states,

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<v Speaker 8>particularly the premiers did was excluded from the inquiry and reporting.

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<v Speaker 8>So what we're seeing is let's blame the previous federal

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<v Speaker 8>government for what they did. Now there's the treasurer out there,

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<v Speaker 8>the snake charmer, because.

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<v Speaker 9>It's all an illusion. There he was out there.

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<v Speaker 8>Today saying, oh, well they were responsible, they the former

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<v Speaker 8>coalition government for giving us inflation. But at the same

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<v Speaker 8>time there were the shadow tasure demanding that the coalitions

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<v Speaker 8>spend more and keep spending it for longer.

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<v Speaker 6>So there is.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely no no integrity in that man's answer at all.

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<v Speaker 8>Today he banks on the fact that probably people will

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<v Speaker 8>forget what he said last time. So the thing that

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<v Speaker 8>concerns me also is the establishment of this Center for

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<v Speaker 8>Disease Control. I mean, it sounds all wellian to start with,

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<v Speaker 8>and to me, I'm linking it up with the stated

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<v Speaker 8>intention of the government to sign up to this United

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<v Speaker 8>Nations World Health Organization proposed treaty that would mean that

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<v Speaker 8>the World Health Organization could say, well, we've got a

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<v Speaker 8>pandemic and this is what you, Australia have got to do,

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<v Speaker 8>and this is what and so and so forth, so

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<v Speaker 8>you would have this so called independent body.

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<v Speaker 1>And again the.

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<v Speaker 2>US had a CDC and they were still hit hard

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<v Speaker 2>by the pandemics.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going to be some not.

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<v Speaker 8>But I am still worried about this treaty because you

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<v Speaker 8>can sign a treaty, but nothing happens until legislation imports

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<v Speaker 8>it into domestic law. Is this the first step of

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<v Speaker 8>importing it into domestic law?

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<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw.

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<v Speaker 1>That they were really compromised by China.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave out misleading information in the WHO They told

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<v Speaker 2>everyone that COVID nineteen and there was no human to

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<v Speaker 2>human transmission.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was a highly infectious virus.

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<v Speaker 8>And they still insisted on telling people that if you

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<v Speaker 8>got vaccinated, you would then.

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<v Speaker 9>Not infect anybody else. That was an absolute lie.

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<v Speaker 8>All it did was allegedly make the disease less in

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<v Speaker 8>your own body. You are not a risk to anybody

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<v Speaker 8>else in your own body. It was supposed to make

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<v Speaker 8>it less.

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<v Speaker 9>Now we've got.

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<v Speaker 8>What thousands of people who are walking around who have

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<v Speaker 8>been affected by the vaccinations because.

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<v Speaker 9>Of the reactions they had. They were rushed through so much.

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<v Speaker 8>There weren't so much to look at in a royal

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<v Speaker 8>commission that will hopefully prevent unproven things being pumped into

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<v Speaker 8>people's bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very quick response, Caleb. I'm sure we'll hear more

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<v Speaker 2>from you about this at ten o'clock tonight.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I mean the vaccine stuff seriously. I mean the

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<v Speaker 6>report says that it was the rollout of vaccines was

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<v Speaker 6>too slow and that cost lives. Well, no, I think

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<v Speaker 6>the damage that was done by the States cost a

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<v Speaker 6>lot more lives. And as for a CDC, the one

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<v Speaker 6>thing that really went wrong during COVID was bureaucrats running

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<v Speaker 6>the show. And now we're being told the one thing

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<v Speaker 6>that would save us if this ever happened again is

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<v Speaker 6>to have another outfit with even more bureaucrats in it,

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<v Speaker 6>pull the other way that had joke.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, when is anyone going to apologize

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<v Speaker 2>for taping up children's playgrounds like there were some rhyme scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean absolutely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Children were barely affected by COVID if they were healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>young kids, and they couldn't even go to a playground.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, those lost childhoods. Never get them back. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>kayleb Bond, BNT Brenwan Bishop, thank you both so much,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see you at ten o'clock tonight. Now, since

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<v Speaker 2>the October seven terror attacks, we've seen outrageous claims from

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<v Speaker 2>pro Palestinian activists that Jews should be expelled from Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>a one state solution from the river to the sea. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>these activists push misinformation. They're presenting Jews as white colonizers,

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<v Speaker 2>ignoring the reality that Jews are indigenous to the land

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel. And the reality is that in many parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the Middle East, like Iran, Syria and Iraq, Christians

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<v Speaker 2>and Jews have been persecuted and expelled.

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<v Speaker 9>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to the former editor in chief of The

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Current columnist Chris Mitchell about this a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Mitchell, thank you so much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>You've written an exceptional column and it's been one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most well read articles on the Australian website. You

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<v Speaker 2>write about how Jews are presented as colonizers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is far from the truth, Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain to us how Jews are actually indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>to the land of Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>The truth is they're the direct inheritors of the original

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<v Speaker 7>Canaanite civilization in the area. So just as Aboriginal Australians

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<v Speaker 7>would say they are the original people here and everyone

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<v Speaker 7>who came after them are colonizers, the truth is the

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<v Speaker 7>Jews are the original inhabitants of that part of the Levant.

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<v Speaker 7>I'd say they meet virtually all of the seven UN

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<v Speaker 7>criteria for indigeneity, and there are sort of an ethno

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<v Speaker 7>religious group much the same way as Australian Aborigines are.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's not just a religion like Islam, it's a

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<v Speaker 7>religion identified with the people, and those people have been

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<v Speaker 7>from that area forever and they have the same genealogical

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<v Speaker 7>and genetic back to the Canaanites wherever they are in

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<v Speaker 7>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Jews were connected with the land of Israel for

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<v Speaker 2>at least at least a thousand years before the religion

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<v Speaker 2>of Islam even began.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You write about how Palestinian activists are now demanding people

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<v Speaker 2>use Arabic terms for cities in Israel our kods for Jerusalem,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, and you argue that this is laughable because

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<v Speaker 2>the original Hebrew names far predate Arab settlement.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, it might be more than two thousand

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<v Speaker 7>years ahead of you know, the Arab colonization of the area.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the idea that you know, people like Randall

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<v Speaker 7>abul Fatar, you know, an intellectual who is on a

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<v Speaker 7>research grant of eight hundred thousand dollars, and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>an advocate for Palestinian riots would be retweeting claims that

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<v Speaker 7>we should reverse to Arab names for old Jewish towns.

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<v Speaker 7>It's so Affaboard's analogous to insisting that we call Ularu

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<v Speaker 7>now is Rock because the colonizers were actually the Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 7>people rather than the Brits who came here and called

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<v Speaker 7>Ada's rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can you tell us about the history of Arabs

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<v Speaker 2>with the land of Israel and when they started referring

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<v Speaker 2>to themselves as Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think, you know, if you look at the

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<v Speaker 7>early part of the twentieth century, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>pretty clear from the nineteen forty seven forty eight attack

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<v Speaker 7>by the Arabs on what was then Palestine that Palestine

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<v Speaker 7>at the time was seen by all Westerners as a

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<v Speaker 7>land of Jews. So the UN one resolution proposed that

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<v Speaker 7>along the green line everything from the sea that the

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<v Speaker 7>green line would be Israel, and then a Palestinian state

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<v Speaker 7>for people who identified as Palestinians but were in fact

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<v Speaker 7>ethnic Arabs would be built between that line and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 7>Now we have to remember that the Palestinian state in

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<v Speaker 7>the world that is actually Jordan, and that's where most

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<v Speaker 7>Palestinian people live, so at its heart, I think this

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<v Speaker 7>probably is a problem that goes back to six hundred

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<v Speaker 7>AD after the rise of Islam. The conquest of the

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<v Speaker 7>region came between six thirty six and six forty and

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<v Speaker 7>the area was really dominated by Arabs for most of

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<v Speaker 7>that period. So you know, there were other conquests like

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<v Speaker 7>the Ottoman conquests, et cetera. But these people essentially colonized

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<v Speaker 7>the whole of the Middle East, and they went right

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<v Speaker 7>out to Spain, you know. So you can read about

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<v Speaker 7>Jewish poets in Spain who stood up to the Arabs

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<v Speaker 7>in the fourteen nineties. You know, the imaginings of Palestinian

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<v Speaker 7>advocates that they were always ethnic Palestinians are ridiculous. So

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<v Speaker 7>there may be some Palestinians who have Canaanite ancestry as well,

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<v Speaker 7>but they would have been people who were either Christian

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<v Speaker 7>or Jewish who converted to Islam after six hundred and

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<v Speaker 7>forty a d. Now, the big immigration in more recent

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<v Speaker 7>periods to the region came under the British mandate, so

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<v Speaker 7>probably four hundred thousand people of Arab extraction moved into

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<v Speaker 7>Palestine and They largely went four regulated wages rates so

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<v Speaker 7>they could be better paid and work more regulated hours

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<v Speaker 7>in what was then Palestine than they would have in

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<v Speaker 7>other parts of the Middle East. But they knew, and

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<v Speaker 7>they wrote about it at the time, that they were

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<v Speaker 7>coming to a Jewish land.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I just want to ask you about Pennywong's comments today.

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<v Speaker 2>The Albanesi government is opposing Israel's decision to stop UNRAH

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<v Speaker 2>operating in Israel because of its proven clear links to terrorism.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your view on this?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Look, I think it's really bit admitted that there

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<v Speaker 7>were links between UNRAH and the and the October seven massacre.

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<v Speaker 7>So even the UN itself sacked nine of the twelve

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<v Speaker 7>names that the Israelis gave them. I think this sort

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<v Speaker 7>of fits with the wider picture of suspicion about the

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<v Speaker 7>UN in Israel, and I think people are rightly suspicious.

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<v Speaker 7>I noticed today that the IDF has revealed footage of

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<v Speaker 7>tunnels in southern Lebanon. Now these are tunnels that were

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<v Speaker 7>built for what was meant to be an invasion of

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<v Speaker 7>northern Israel and a repeat of October seventh by Hezbollah.

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<v Speaker 7>Now UNIFIL, you know, who were so upset about the

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<v Speaker 7>attack on their headquarters last week. Uniform has said all along,

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<v Speaker 7>there's no evidence of these tunnels existing. Well, the IDF

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<v Speaker 7>went down and took journalists in there today, so these

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<v Speaker 7>tunnels exist and the plan did exist. So you know

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<v Speaker 7>what we're really seeing here is a repeat in Lebanon

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<v Speaker 7>of the sorts of furfees driven by the un that

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<v Speaker 7>have been powering the media narrative since last year. On Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Mitchell terrific columns every single week on Monday in

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian and appreciate your time, Thanks Harry. And after

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<v Speaker 2>the break, Anthony Alberanezi accused of breaching the Ministerial code

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<v Speaker 2>of conduct. Well, the columnist, the author who revealed all

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<v Speaker 2>of this, Joe Aston, will join us on the show

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't hold back. Plus, the Trump campaign in

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<v Speaker 2>damage control after a joke by a comedian at the

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<v Speaker 2>Madison Square Garden rally backfires. Will cross live to the

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<v Speaker 2>US for the latest.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Albanzi government is tonight in damage control mode.

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<v Speaker 2>The political fallout from the Quantus upgrade scandal now taking

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<v Speaker 2>on a life of its own. Albanizi hasn't denied personally

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<v Speaker 2>asking former Quantus chief executive Allan Joys for upgrades. These

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<v Speaker 2>business class flights are worth tens of thousands of dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>and then news today that he's been getting these perks

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<v Speaker 2>since ninety ninety nine. I spoke about all of this

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<v Speaker 2>with Joe Aston, the author of The Chairman's Lounge, a

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier. Joe Aston, thank you so much for your

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<v Speaker 2>time and congratulations in your book.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Cherry certainly making news today and the Prime Minister he's

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<v Speaker 2>under pressure over the revelations over the flight upgrades. He's

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<v Speaker 2>attacked you personally over this. What's your response to what

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<v Speaker 2>he's had to say today?

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<v Speaker 3>So the Prime Minister complained that apparently I've failed to

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<v Speaker 3>disclose that I was once a liberal staffer and that

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<v Speaker 3>I also worked for Quantus. My advice would be perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>one of the fifty taxpayer funded staff who worked for

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<v Speaker 3>him could have read the first couple of pages of

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<v Speaker 3>the book, because it's there that I was a Quantus

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<v Speaker 3>employee before the contents page, and the fact that I

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<v Speaker 3>was a liberal staffer is literally on the first line

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<v Speaker 3>of the first page of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's deflecting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, he's unfortunately decided to shoot the messenger, and

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<v Speaker 3>he seems unable to answer the only question that people

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<v Speaker 3>are interested in hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a classic strategy to avoid having to answer

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<v Speaker 2>questions about the own upgrades and the benefits that he's received.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the years. He says he's declared them. So what

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<v Speaker 1>has he done that's actually wrong here?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, I think potentially he hasn't technically done anything

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<v Speaker 3>wrong if he has disclosed all of his flight upgrades,

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<v Speaker 3>which he says he has, But that really says something

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<v Speaker 3>about what's wrong with the rules. You can disclose gifts

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<v Speaker 3>all you want, but the fact is he was Transport

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<v Speaker 3>minister and he was seeking upgrades and accepting upgrades from

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<v Speaker 3>a national airline that he was actually in charge of regulating.

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<v Speaker 3>As we learned during the Katar affair last year, the

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<v Speaker 3>Transport Minister of Australia has really unique personal discretion over

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<v Speaker 3>which airlines can fly into Australia and how often they

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<v Speaker 3>can fly. So for the Transport for a Transport minister

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<v Speaker 3>to be accepting benefits from, or to be seeking and

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<v Speaker 3>then accepting benefits from an airline worth tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of dollars, it's just I don't see how anyone can

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<v Speaker 3>say that's acceptable even if it is disclosed.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've made the comparison to a CEO from

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<v Speaker 2>A and Z or Westpac giving fifty thousand dollars into

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<v Speaker 2>a prime minister's or a politician's bank accounts and that

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<v Speaker 2>person them disclosing it. You know, it still raises questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh totally. So what do you think of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Major decisions You just refer to Qatar Airlines, But what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think of the major decisions that Albanezi has

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<v Speaker 2>made over the years that have benefited Quantus?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would say, well, certainly last year when Quantus

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<v Speaker 3>was going off the rails, and as we many of

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<v Speaker 3>us remember, they had the highest prices and the worst

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<v Speaker 3>customer service in memory, and they were in an absolute

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<v Speaker 3>brand crisis which they're still recovering from. At that time,

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<v Speaker 3>the Albanesi government defunded the hriplec's airline monitoring powers, which

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<v Speaker 3>only Quantus had sought to have ended. No other parties

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<v Speaker 3>had wanted to do that, so they basically cut the

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<v Speaker 3>hble C's off at the knees. And of course then

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<v Speaker 3>there's the guitar decision. So I would point out that

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<v Speaker 3>the Albanese government has brought in a very very i'd

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<v Speaker 3>say almost radical industrial relations changes that do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of damage to Quantus's business model, so it hasn't been

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<v Speaker 3>all one way traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from the flight upgrades, one of the main revelations

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<v Speaker 2>from your reporting has been that the Prime Minister requested

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<v Speaker 2>from Alan Joyce a chairman's lounge membership for his son Nathan.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he has said in the past few days that

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<v Speaker 2>this was just a plus one that replaced Carmel Tebbet's

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<v Speaker 2>plus one. But in fact I'm told that well, Carmel Tebbetts,

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<v Speaker 2>she was Deputy Premier in New South Wales, that she

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<v Speaker 2>had a chairman's lounge membership in her own right, so

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the case that she was the prime Minister's

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<v Speaker 2>plus one. Does your reporting back this up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So I wrote this twelve months ago, August twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three, and the Prime Minister was so outraged he

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<v Speaker 3>tried to shut the story down. He called my editor

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<v Speaker 3>in chief and has now you know, has basically put

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<v Speaker 3>a personal boycott on the AFI won't speak at any conferences.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's all a bit this is about his

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<v Speaker 2>son receiving the lounge.

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<v Speaker 3>Miss she's so angry about that story being run, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's never dealt with it. He just has never even

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<v Speaker 3>confirmed that it's true. And until this week, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>a year later, he finally says, yeah, okay, he does

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<v Speaker 3>have a Chairman's land to membership. But as you say,

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<v Speaker 3>he's added this new story that he's apparently Albanese's plus one. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I find again I find that an implausible explanation because

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<v Speaker 3>Jody Hayden was disclosed by Albanesi in his Register of

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<v Speaker 3>interest in October twenty twenty two as Albanese's plus one,

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<v Speaker 3>So how can his son be his plus one? And

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<v Speaker 3>my understanding is certainly that it was only when Alberanzi

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<v Speaker 3>became Prime Minister that he asked Alan Joyce to make

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<v Speaker 3>his son a Chairman's Lounge member, remember, which is more

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<v Speaker 3>than three years after his marriage to Carmel Tevit ended.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think there's still questions about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, he claims you're targeting his family, that this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of public interest.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say to that?

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<v Speaker 3>I find that pretty tiresome. You sort of get used

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<v Speaker 3>to it. But I mean the idea that I am

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<v Speaker 3>targeting his family or that it's my fault or the

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<v Speaker 3>financial reviews fault, or the book's fault that his son

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<v Speaker 3>is being raised in the news. Is just completely not

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<v Speaker 3>taking responsibility for his own actions. His grasping behavior, asking

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<v Speaker 3>for benefits for his family while he's in public office.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what caused his son to be in the news,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just and again, I think we're seeing more

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<v Speaker 3>of this. He has this inability to take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 3>his own actions. He has a real blind spot around

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<v Speaker 3>what's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, the political side of it is

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<v Speaker 2>obviously fascinating, but where it becomes a serious issue is

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<v Speaker 2>if the politicians aren't properly holding Quantum to account or

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<v Speaker 2>ensuring proper conduct from our national carrier. When it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to issue like the COVID flight credits. This was an

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<v Speaker 2>egregious conduct from Quantus. So do you think that the politicians,

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<v Speaker 2>if they weren't on the take from Quantus, they might

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<v Speaker 2>have been tougher.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think I think, well, setting aside COVID credits,

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<v Speaker 3>I think for more than three decades, governments and politicians

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<v Speaker 3>of both stripes have been you know, in licking the

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<v Speaker 3>trough of Quantus for that entire period of time, now

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<v Speaker 3>Quantus is the best user and wielder of soft influence

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia, and I go into great detail about that

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<v Speaker 3>in my book. But you know, more recently, the company,

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<v Speaker 3>the company let the Australian people down. The company wants

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<v Speaker 3>to be the national carrier, the spirit of Australia, but

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<v Speaker 3>it went m a in COVID, and it used COVID

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<v Speaker 3>as a super profit supercharging opportunity to make more money

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<v Speaker 3>than they've ever made before. And they sold Australians down

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<v Speaker 3>the river. And what I think the Australian government and

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<v Speaker 3>the opposition, you know, they switch around, as you know

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty two, but both sides would never have

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<v Speaker 3>allowed Quantus such an easy run if they weren't also compromise.

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<v Speaker 1>Just finally, quickly before you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, some people are missing your columns in the

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<v Speaker 2>fin Review, other's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm interested in your view about Albinizi as a

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<v Speaker 2>character because the position, the perception is cementing that he

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<v Speaker 2>is that he does like a freebeat, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Final tickets, Taylor Swift tickets, his cliptop mansion and

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<v Speaker 2>now the revelations of the twenty two flight upgrades at least.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your view on how he's presented himself as this

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<v Speaker 2>boy from housing Commission.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's interesting in my experience writing about very powerful

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<v Speaker 3>people for a long period of time, the ones who

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<v Speaker 3>bang on the most about their origin story, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>about how they grew up in a brown paper bag,

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<v Speaker 3>they floated to an Australia on a stick of spaghetti.

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<v Speaker 3>They're always the ones who are most are most susceptible

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<v Speaker 3>to the high life. And I think it's certainly true

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<v Speaker 3>that for someone who came from so little, Albanizi has

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<v Speaker 3>an insatiable appetite for VIP travel and hospitality.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Joe Aston, thank you very much and congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>once again in your book.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Cherry.

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<v Speaker 2>And coming up after the break, why Penny Wong insists

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<v Speaker 2>on giving taxpayer funds our taxpayer funds to an organization

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<v Speaker 2>linked to hamas she has.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly lost the plot.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus the warning to Albanesi from a labor insider about

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<v Speaker 2>doing a deal with the devil, and by that he

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<v Speaker 2>means the Greens stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's jump straight into it now with our panel.

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave and former Labor advisor Darren Bynett.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's have a look at what pennywog Can said today. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel quite rightly Pastor Bill banning the discredited UNRA because

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<v Speaker 2>of its long history to terrorism, including some of their

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<v Speaker 2>staff actually participating in the October seventh attacks. And you

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<v Speaker 2>all know the history by now. It would be disgraceful

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<v Speaker 2>for our taxpayer funds, our hard walking dollars to go

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<v Speaker 2>towards that organization when there are other ways of giving eight. Yet,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, anyone attacked Israel's decision have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>The best available current advice from agencies and the Australian

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<v Speaker 11>government lawyers is that UNRA is not a terrorist organization

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<v Speaker 11>and that existing and additional safeguards sufficiently protect Australian taxpayer funnel.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Gary, it is obvious by now we have

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<v Speaker 2>seen so many terrorists carrying around their UNRA badgers. Surely

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<v Speaker 2>it Pennywong must have concerns that millions of taxpayer dollars

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<v Speaker 2>are going to support terrorism.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah you think so, Shari, And I mean who does

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<v Speaker 12>she work for? She works for us, But in fact

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<v Speaker 12>what she's showing is she actually works for the internationalists

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<v Speaker 12>who want to pull apart Western society. We cannot allow

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<v Speaker 12>even a sniff of Australian money to end up somewhere

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<v Speaker 12>near or give comfort to those who are terrorists. We

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<v Speaker 12>are an award to save the West. Israelis on the

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<v Speaker 12>front line and if Israelan's made a judgment based on

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<v Speaker 12>what they see in their country, then we should back

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<v Speaker 12>them all the way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a no brainer, and especially because the evidence has

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<v Speaker 2>been presented to everyone. And also what concerns me Darren

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<v Speaker 2>is that she didn't even bother to wait for the

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<v Speaker 2>official investigation into the links between HUMAS and AUNRA before

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<v Speaker 2>kickstarting our funding.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think if you look at the vote, it

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<v Speaker 5>was ninety two votes to ten in the Israeli parliament,

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<v Speaker 5>so is not a close decision. And I think what

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<v Speaker 5>Gary says is true that you have to respect the

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<v Speaker 5>wishes of the Israeli parliament and act accordingly. So the government.

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<v Speaker 5>I know they are playing an internationalist game and they

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<v Speaker 5>are singing from the same song sheet as several other

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<v Speaker 5>similar countries to ours, but you've got to respect the

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<v Speaker 5>rights of the Israeli parliament on this one, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are other ways of giving aid.

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<v Speaker 2>Aid is important, there are other ways of giving it

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<v Speaker 2>without us all having concerns that we are enabling terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just appalling. I actually can't believe we

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<v Speaker 2>have this foreign minister. The sooner we get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>her the better. Now, I don't usually think that former

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Minister Kim Karr is worth listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>He's as radical as they come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet he's given quite an interesting interview where he said

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<v Speaker 2>that the Albaneze government can't afford to do a deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the Greens, and he wants that the Greens will

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<v Speaker 2>be asking labor to do things that they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do and the historic pattern that has been that

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<v Speaker 2>has led to quite negative outcomes. He's saying that we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to do everything we can to avoid minority government. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Kim Karr is a far left labor figure, but

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<v Speaker 2>even he's warning that the Greens are going to make

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<v Speaker 2>some quite serious demands on labor should Albanezi have to

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<v Speaker 2>do a deal at the next election.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and we used to nickname him in a fun

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<v Speaker 12>way kim Ilka. You know, it's giving a sort of

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<v Speaker 12>Korean dictator kind of slant. But look, Kim car is right.

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<v Speaker 12>How I can't even believe I'm saying that, because the

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<v Speaker 12>Labor Party are going to be taken over by the Greens,

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<v Speaker 12>even more than some elements of the Labor Party have

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<v Speaker 12>already been taken over. We saw it in the Queens

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<v Speaker 12>Out election, we saw it in the Act election back

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<v Speaker 12>earlier this year, the Brisbane City Council election. People are

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<v Speaker 12>actually voting against the Greens. Now, people are actually saying,

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<v Speaker 12>you know what, your support of Hamas, your support and

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<v Speaker 12>comfort for terrorists, is not about the environment. It's about tyranny.

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<v Speaker 12>It's about anarchy and if the Labor Party want to

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<v Speaker 12>be involved with them, Kim Kim Ilka, there go, I've

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<v Speaker 12>done it again. Kim Karr is right, you know, stay

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<v Speaker 12>away from these people. They're bad people, making bad decisions

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<v Speaker 12>and speaking in our name on really the wrong issues

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<v Speaker 12>all the time. So Labor, you've got to be a

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<v Speaker 12>grown up party. Steer clear of them, I say, and

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<v Speaker 12>don't even give them preferences. Heaven's help us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now, just quickly those comments we played of Penniwong

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<v Speaker 2>a second ago. That was Pennywong back in March speaking

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<v Speaker 2>about Anna Rabbert. Today on social media and on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>you can pull up her statement or on X I

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<v Speaker 2>should say she condemned Israel over that decision to ban

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<v Speaker 2>Anra operating now Darren realistically, Albertiezi says he's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do a deal with the Greens, but if it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to it, if it's his only way of staying

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<v Speaker 2>in power, I mean of course he's going to.

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<v Speaker 5>I think his preference would be to go to other

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<v Speaker 5>independents before relying on the Greens, because we saw what

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<v Speaker 5>happened last time and I worked for Julia, but Julia

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<v Speaker 5>Gillard signing effectively a declaration with Bob Brown was not

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<v Speaker 5>to her benefit at all. What Kim Car says is

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely true that unlike the coalition between the LNP in

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<v Speaker 5>Queenza but the Liberal National Coalition, the Greens are not

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<v Speaker 5>there to make Labor elected. There are many in the

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<v Speaker 5>Greens who their long term ambition is to take over

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<v Speaker 5>the progressive or the left vote to Labour's detriment. And

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<v Speaker 5>with that in mind, it's a dangerous thing for Labor

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<v Speaker 5>to go into coalition and they will do everything they

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<v Speaker 5>can to not go into a formal coalition with the Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>Just remind me, were you working for Julia Gillard when

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<v Speaker 2>it was the hung Parliament and there was that extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>long negotiation with Oakshardan.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I wasn't. I left Tanya's office at the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the term and I came back to Julia's office

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<v Speaker 5>some time up. But I did watch those eighteen minutes

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 5>when for all of us inside the show, it was

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 5>perfectly obvious if Catter had gone one way, the other

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 5>two would going the other way. So it was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of in real time. It was quite painful. I quite

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<v Speaker 5>like Robot Shop, but it was a painful brest cot No.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, oakshots a topic for another day. Gary Hargrave, Darren Barnett,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you both very much. Now, coming up after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Why Donald Trump is distancing himself from a joke made

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<v Speaker 2>at one of his own rallies by a guest speaker

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<v Speaker 2>across Live to New York as this fallout intensifies. Plus

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about the crucial final days, just eight days

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<v Speaker 2>left of this presidential campaign. Okay, let's go Live to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States now and bring in the Australians. Washington

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<v Speaker 2>correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam, thanks for joining me again. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you were on the ground at the Madison Square Garden rally.

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<v Speaker 2>This was described as some Hitler Nazi affair, but actually

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<v Speaker 2>there were thousands and thousands of Jews who were there,

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the Jewish community, I would say, mostly in

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<v Speaker 2>the US, and people hate hearing this, are supporting Trump

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<v Speaker 2>because they're single issue voters.

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<v Speaker 1>But what were your takeouts from the night.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, just the level of energy and the huge numbers

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<v Speaker 13>of people. I mean, it was fully a capacity twenty

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<v Speaker 13>thousand people. I had to cueue up three hours before

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<v Speaker 13>the start just to get in, and many thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 10>Were turned away outside.

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<v Speaker 13>And just on the Jewish issue, there were many Israeli

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<v Speaker 13>flags flying within the event. So the idea it was

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<v Speaker 13>some sort of Nazi ralliers is just totally absurd. It

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<v Speaker 13>was very peaceful, very happy. There's lots of energy, lots

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<v Speaker 13>of happiness. There were no fights, and it went for

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<v Speaker 13>six and a half hours, so you had, you know,

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 13>twenty thousand people in the stadium for six and a

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<v Speaker 13>half hours listening to Trump and his various allies.

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<v Speaker 10>And of course the media.

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<v Speaker 13>Has made a huge deal out of this one silly

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<v Speaker 13>joke that happened right at the start by the first speaker,

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<v Speaker 13>by a speaker that I'd never heard of, actually some

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<v Speaker 13>new comedian.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, he said a stupid joke.

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 2>But I've actually got those comments from that comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's have a look at this.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's literally a floating island of garbage in the

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.359
<v Speaker 3>middle of the ocean right now.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 2>So this has actually sparked, as you say, a major

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<v Speaker 2>backlash in the media. The Trump campaign has had to

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<v Speaker 2>respond to this. They say that it doesn't reflect the

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<v Speaker 2>former president's views.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know why is he being blamed for this.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, because they're desperate, I think.

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<v Speaker 13>And if you look at the polls and if you

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<v Speaker 13>look at the political betting markets, everything has been moving

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<v Speaker 13>Trump's way.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, just literally half an hour.

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<v Speaker 13>Ago, I checked the betting markets to see whether all

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<v Speaker 13>this drama had made any difference to what people think

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<v Speaker 13>the outcome will be. And in fact, Trump's chances of

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<v Speaker 13>winning has gone from sixty one to sixty three percent.

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<v Speaker 10>So I don't think it's really made any difference.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, the reality is, I mean, who's going to

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<v Speaker 13>make a decision to vote based on a you know,

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 13>a random joke from a random comedian.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean I think it's I think it's very unlikely.

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<v Speaker 13>I think most sensible people know that this guy is

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<v Speaker 13>not he's not aligned with the Trump campaign.

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<v Speaker 10>So look, I think it'll I think it'll wash over.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, I think it's amazing that twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people can sit for six and a half hours

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<v Speaker 2>engaged at a rally.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, can you imagine Albo or really any.

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<v Speaker 2>Of our political leaders trying to get people up and

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<v Speaker 2>stay stay awake for ten minutes, let alone at six hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to quickly ask you about this Washington Post issue.

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<v Speaker 2>They've decided it's a left leading newspaper. They've decided not

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<v Speaker 2>to endorse a candidate. There's now mass resignations and subscription cancelations.

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:49.760
<v Speaker 2>People are so angry that they're not backing in Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>What's Jeff Bezos said about this Adam.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, look, well, I mean his direct remarks. I mean

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 13>he wants to stay neutral. I think in the face

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 13>of a you know what is likely at Trump victory.

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<v Speaker 13>But it's not just the Washington Post, it's also the

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<v Speaker 13>La Times as well that's decided not to endorse a candidate.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, I think it's a pragmatic move, and you know, maybe,

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<v Speaker 13>if anything, it increases respect for these newspapers amongst the

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 13>general public, so they're not seen as such campaigning vehicles anymore.

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 13>But you know the reality is, I don't think many

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 13>people really base their votes on these editorials from you

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 13>know what, are fairly elite liberal newspapers anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they don't even have to give an official endorsement.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually do subscribe to the Washington Post because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of entertaining to read.

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 1>The one sided coverage. But there's no.

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<v Speaker 2>Question they support Kamala Harris anyway. Adam Crichton, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>your time, and I'll see you everyone tomorrow at eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, here's Paul Murray.