WEBVTT - 🏉 NRL Analysis - The Cleary Factor: Impact on Penrith's Strategy

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<v Speaker 1>Better than the lego, better than One of the crucial

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<v Speaker 1>factors in Penrith three peding gun for four in a

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<v Speaker 1>row has been at times the absence of Nathan Cleary

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<v Speaker 1>and what it's allowed them to do is have a

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<v Speaker 1>look at areas of their game or their shortcomings that

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan basically covers. When he's there, they tidy up their

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<v Speaker 1>football he returns. The last month, I've formed an opinion which,

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<v Speaker 1>in Nathan's absence, has given me more certainty.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Things is Coops is that one of the great things

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<v Speaker 1>about Penrith has been that ability to hop in the

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<v Speaker 1>grind and just wear sides down with the grind. I

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<v Speaker 1>reckon in the last month is that Sides are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to match him in the grind in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways. I think Penrith are getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the grind too willingly and getting it too early. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you look like Penrith, We've spoken about this before,

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<v Speaker 1>they build a game bit by bit by bit, start

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<v Speaker 1>very conservative, those inside balls, inside balls, inside balls. But

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to understand if you're going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>a grind and you want to stay in an arm wrestle,

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<v Speaker 1>then you are giving a side an opportunity to b

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<v Speaker 1>actually beat you at the back the back end of

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<v Speaker 1>a contest. Now, what we've seen a little bit with

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<v Speaker 1>Penrith is this sort of football there dismally.

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<v Speaker 2>In opposition and make it a tough arm wrestle.

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<v Speaker 1>Really works for Penrith because when you've got one of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest pressure players of all time, when you take

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<v Speaker 1>him down in the last ten to fifteen minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>the games on the line, he'll win it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the last couple of weeks, during those that

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<v Speaker 1>last ten to fifteen minutes and Nathan has not been there,

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<v Speaker 1>being in the grind has enabled a team like.

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<v Speaker 2>Camera just came out of nowhere and Snatcher win offs.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you saying they should change their stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think I think they're starting there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're starting the game.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit too conservative, or they're staying in the

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<v Speaker 1>grind too long.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to the grind football early is staying because they

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<v Speaker 3>don't have the ability to break it open without Nathan.

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<v Speaker 3>They're actually allowing teams to stay closer to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're leaving a situation with ten to fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 1>ago where the oppositions in a position to beat out

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<v Speaker 1>or like we saw on the weekend against Canberra, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of tough calls went against them. But that's what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you're leaving yourself open to take in

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<v Speaker 1>the game into the last ten to fifteen minutes, leave

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<v Speaker 1>you open for a bad call or something the gas

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<v Speaker 1>goes wrong and an upset win by the opposition.

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<v Speaker 2>Pops.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think Penrith, I think they'd be well served

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<v Speaker 1>open their shoulders and playing a little bit more football early.

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<v Speaker 3>I see where you're coming from. The chances of Ivan

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<v Speaker 3>Cleary opening your shoulder or changing or rejigging however youon

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<v Speaker 3>wifform it two weeks before they are on the cuffs

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<v Speaker 3>of trying to win four in a row. It's highly unlikely.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Their style has got them to this point and they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to double down on what they're good at to

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<v Speaker 3>get the result. Now, the two results that they've lost

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<v Speaker 3>is close games. A penalty from Fisher Harris to Jerome

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<v Speaker 3>Hughes gave it away, Leui intercept Savage scores, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>still very close to those victories. Absolutely, But I understand

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<v Speaker 3>where you're coming from, because when you win comps, you

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<v Speaker 3>provide a style of play that shows the others, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if we're going to beat Penrith, this is how we

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<v Speaker 3>have to play, at least to get close to them.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's no doubt that the Storm, Roosters, Sharks Dogs

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<v Speaker 3>have changed their training to keep the ball in play

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<v Speaker 3>for long periods of time, to fight fire with fire

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<v Speaker 3>with Penrith. So when it comes down to that moment,

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<v Speaker 3>an X factor play might come up with it like

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<v Speaker 3>the Raiders did with the Intercept, very similar approach. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think Ivan Cleary is going to double down on

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<v Speaker 3>everything he's taught his team in the next six weeks

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<v Speaker 3>to go after that fourth title.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It served them well in my mind, hobbying the arm wrestles,

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<v Speaker 1>stay in the grind is really important.

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<v Speaker 2>I get all those things. It has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, it's the donkey that's taken taken them to the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the mount.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to abandon that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think primarily you get into a grind if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a top side, if you're if you're a Penris, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you get into a grind. You lay yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>get into an arm wrestle when the opposition earn it.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is probably we spoke last week about the

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<v Speaker 3>timing of the Nathan Cleary card. Right now they're in fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it week one now or is it week two?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it we like prelim final? Like when does he

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<v Speaker 3>come in to become that guy that can steer the

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<v Speaker 3>victory when the grind is in it late? Right? Because

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<v Speaker 3>you would have thought maybe him on the field against

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<v Speaker 3>Melbourne he comes up with a play. Yes, maybe on

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<v Speaker 3>the field against Canberra he comes up with a play.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they beat the Dolphins if Nathan's not there? Remember

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<v Speaker 1>they chase them down late. There's numerous games, close games

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<v Speaker 1>that Nathan has got them home visibility to handle pressure

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<v Speaker 1>greend finally an example I think almost without Nathan, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to just read their football a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to open the shoulders a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>give themselves a chance to skip clear by a fair margin.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're putting a lot of responsibility on then Jerome

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<v Speaker 3>Leui to be that dynamic. Can he control the decision

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<v Speaker 3>making of when we kick, when we go but then

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<v Speaker 3>still have that flare of eyes what opens you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going for it? Even though we're only eight minutes

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<v Speaker 3>into this contest and no one's made it error. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to do what I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because the last couple of weeks looking at Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>and what's the way Canberra play teams are changing the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic of how they play Penrith. They're almost once they

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<v Speaker 1>get into the arm wrestle, they're almost doing a Penrith

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<v Speaker 1>on Penrith. And I use an idea like when you

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<v Speaker 1>watch Melbourne play Melbourne, we're doing a lot of little

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<v Speaker 1>inside balls. You know what they were doing is they're

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<v Speaker 1>engaging the Penrith middles. You know, basically the engine that

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<v Speaker 1>drives the Penrish ship are the middle players. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>inside balls, inside balls, inside balls. And what was crucial

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<v Speaker 1>then is they started attacking those players directly, right the

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<v Speaker 1>spine players.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Wish Art is a perfect example. Don't worry a big

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<v Speaker 1>flowery attacking sequences. We're doing the job on them withinside balls.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's attack them directly. Canbra the same on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Canbra.

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<v Speaker 1>What Canbra did to really take a toll on their

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<v Speaker 1>big middles. They played nice and straight. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>number of inside balls, but they just drilled through the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>kept drilling through the middle. Played nice and fast, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit unorthodox and just pushing the ball around. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>go sideways just for the sake of it. They just

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<v Speaker 1>keep drilling the middle, put them under pressure, make them

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<v Speaker 1>miss tackles, quick play the balls and the more momentum

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<v Speaker 1>you get, basically the straighter you play.

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<v Speaker 3>I think to beat Penrith, you're either going to do

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<v Speaker 3>what Penrith do better than them or you're going through

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<v Speaker 3>something completely different. Now there's some signs that you've shown

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<v Speaker 3>that teams are starting to beat Penrith doing Penrith right,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a good thing for those teams because they

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<v Speaker 3>are down a couple of troops Penrith multiple times. You're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing some younger players in positions they shouldn't or wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>normally be without the injuries they've had, and they're forced

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<v Speaker 3>to come up with big players that Nathan should or

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<v Speaker 3>a middle forward should top thing. So it's white open

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<v Speaker 3>now like there is Penrith. Were we spoke about it,

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<v Speaker 3>they were in pole position and know Nathan a few

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<v Speaker 3>results what Melbourne Storm have done, you know they're probably

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<v Speaker 3>jumped up in the pole position.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about it?

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<v Speaker 1>You spoke before about Live Football Penrith loved that live

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<v Speaker 1>football keep it in play Delan ed Woods Brian to

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<v Speaker 1>really get the sets going.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're trying to break down how Penrith play, you've

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<v Speaker 3>either got two things right you're going to do exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what they do. So there's no doubt that, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>the teams up in the top four mirroring their game

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<v Speaker 3>on how to beat Penrith, and that's live board, keep

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<v Speaker 3>it in for six, eight, ten minutes, moment at a time,

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<v Speaker 3>and when a penalty comes, you strike. Whereas if in

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<v Speaker 3>the Manly the Dragons and Cowboys, they can't go set

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<v Speaker 3>for set with Penrith, yep. But what they will have

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<v Speaker 3>to do is find a different way kick the ball

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<v Speaker 3>in the touch, give away penalties, hope Penrith give away

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<v Speaker 3>penalties make it this stop start affair. So the rhythm

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<v Speaker 3>of Penrith without Nathan feels it's quite sort of static

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<v Speaker 3>and not really getting there. Whereas they'll save those teams

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned will save a lot of energy. They'll be

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<v Speaker 3>attacking the good part of the field more often than not,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how they get them because you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>way Dylan Edwards returns the ball then Brian gets on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of that, which means you know that they're

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<v Speaker 1>such great yardage players that the guys like Fisher, Harris

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<v Speaker 1>and Leota don't have to go that far back to

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<v Speaker 1>get behind the football, Whereas if you kick the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in the touch, you know, yes, a slow's company, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got to get all the way back.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't get them that natural rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, like the Broncos into the late into the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineties, you had there were similarities. You had Lockyer

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<v Speaker 1>who returned the football, but then on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>that you had Sailor and Hearing. So what sides used

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<v Speaker 1>to do not the very top side, but well, actually, sorry, Paramount,

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<v Speaker 1>we're a top side then, is what they used to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Smith come up with the tactics. Let's keep those

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<v Speaker 2>three blokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of the game by kicking the ball deliberately into

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<v Speaker 1>the touch. Now that's Johnny Simon knocking it there, knocks

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<v Speaker 1>another one downfield. But there were some occasions where they

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<v Speaker 1>picked the ball up from done me half round, halfway

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<v Speaker 1>and just kick the ball five, just put into touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Better to do that than to let Lockier return it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Sailor and Lottie and.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the tactical difference, right, Like I remember teams

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<v Speaker 3>used to do this to Billy Slater at different stages.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kick it. Theare take Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the contract, change the rules, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>And at certain stages it was frustrating, right, But the

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<v Speaker 3>issue with doing that is you're showing your hand that

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<v Speaker 3>you're worried about the back three. You're trying to go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to take you out of the contest by

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<v Speaker 3>kicking the touch is frustrated, but then you're also showing

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<v Speaker 3>a sign that you're worried about it. Yes, So the

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<v Speaker 3>thing is get the ball back into play as quickly

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<v Speaker 3>as you can get your back through going. So there

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<v Speaker 3>is like this game of chess that goes on and

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<v Speaker 3>when if teams do that kick into touch, Penrith need

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<v Speaker 3>to get their back three touching the ball and one

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<v Speaker 3>two three to get back into rhythm. So if they,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, find touch, the last thing Penrith need to

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<v Speaker 3>do is put Fisher Harris in the first carry, put

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<v Speaker 3>Leoder on tackle two, because then they're burning the juice

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<v Speaker 3>quicker than what they were before. Still do still do

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<v Speaker 3>edwards and get back into the rhythm.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing how things change suddenly. Penrith third favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We said in the week saying it's there's still

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite. Yeah, I still like him.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting Melbourne yesterday morning walk into their training facility, suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>their competition favorites. Does Craig address that anyway you shape

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<v Speaker 1>or form.

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<v Speaker 3>No. So Craig is I mean three veget type of guy,

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<v Speaker 3>really simple the way he views it and doesn't overcompimicate.

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<v Speaker 2>A source on his chops a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit of that. Yeah, what he will say about the

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<v Speaker 3>Minor Premiership is that it's value. It shows that we

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<v Speaker 3>are consistent of the things that we wanted to improve

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<v Speaker 3>in our game. But then the Minor Premiership is rewarded

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<v Speaker 3>to the most consistent team. The Grand Final is rewards

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<v Speaker 3>to the most consistent team for four weeks, so they

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<v Speaker 3>need to go to another level. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I really like what Melbourne are doing this time around

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<v Speaker 3>compared to previous years, I think they're defending better, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a big thing. The team that wins is always

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<v Speaker 3>and one of the best defensive teams. But the one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that probably let them down the last few years

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<v Speaker 3>is that Papenhausen Grant Munsa and Hughes. They're playing full throttle.

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<v Speaker 3>What that spine did on the weekend dismantled the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 3>They all hit the scoreboard, they all did something, and

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<v Speaker 3>I like that Their best players are playing really well, mate.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the thing that makes them comp favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy got Wayne again. BILLI is Wayne's krypton at forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight six.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you a nuanced tactical thing that why

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<v Speaker 3>that to describe that domination, He's Bennett traditionally he was

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<v Speaker 3>spoken about it. He's a passive defensive line. It comes up,

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<v Speaker 3>stands still and use a sideline to slide sideways right

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<v Speaker 3>where is Craig Bellamy's defensive is up and then coming

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<v Speaker 3>in if the decision has made. So I think the

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<v Speaker 3>one thing that Craig Bellamy does well against Wayne Bennett

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<v Speaker 3>coach team is he tries to play through the passive

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<v Speaker 3>defensive line as opposed to around. There's a lot more running,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot more short passes than finess finesse, try

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<v Speaker 3>and get it around. So tactically, I think Craig Bellmy's

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<v Speaker 3>style of playing football suits that of Craig.

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<v Speaker 1>As playmakers, we love playing against that passive slide defense

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<v Speaker 1>because it allows you basically time to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wll like offence paling with gaps in between it, and

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<v Speaker 3>he just played to defence pail in a short pass

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<v Speaker 3>and just do touch after touch, particularly the half you

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<v Speaker 3>might run the ball and then a short pass, then

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<v Speaker 3>then get the ball again. Run the ball short pass

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to lateral passes.

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<v Speaker 1>And people will get there and say, well, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the case, wasn't everyone to defend aggressive outside it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's tax and it's hard. It's an exact science. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you're getting up there. You've got to get things right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I suppose these days were hitting guys high. It's

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<v Speaker 1>high risk, as we saw with Origin with Joseph. It's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>like the relationship between Wayne and Craig.

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<v Speaker 2>I like this true. When Wayne went.

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<v Speaker 1>To the Raiders in nine to eighty seven as co

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<v Speaker 1>coach with Don Ferner, he brought this fitness regime and

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<v Speaker 1>he worked. There was his ten and a half k

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<v Speaker 1>run in around camera and Wayne won it every time

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<v Speaker 1>except once when he did a run and this guy

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<v Speaker 1>who he didn't really know that well, had missed most

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<v Speaker 1>of the pre season with the car for an Achilles injury,

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<v Speaker 1>and Wayne's off on this run about nine k's in.

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<v Speaker 1>He's winning easily, and all of a sudden he hear

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<v Speaker 1>this footstep running on what that looks around and this

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<v Speaker 1>play didn't know a lot about just went straight past him.

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<v Speaker 2>Craig Bellamy, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think one of the other stories too, is sort of

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<v Speaker 3>his analogy for the way they coach is when Craig

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<v Speaker 3>was assistant to Wayne at the Bronze Goes. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Craig would do this, all this analysis on the opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>their strengths and weaknesses, bring it in and show Wayne

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<v Speaker 3>and Wayne will go, we don't need to worry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got this great team here. Let's focus on us.

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<v Speaker 3>And when he goes to Melbourne. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>Craig Belly does every week is he makes sure that

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<v Speaker 3>his team's prepared of what's coming their way. Like that,

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<v Speaker 3>every time I played under Craig, I knew what the

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<v Speaker 3>opposition was going to do before then. So the understanding

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<v Speaker 3>of what is coming, the strengths and weaknesses to stop,

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<v Speaker 3>and then where to attack. We haven't even spoken about

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<v Speaker 3>what we style a play first, so it's two approaches

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<v Speaker 3>that are super successful. And to be fair. Wayne got

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<v Speaker 3>into the Hall of Fame the other day and Craig

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<v Speaker 3>Bell and he's got a hell of a record against

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<v Speaker 3>the Hall of Fame coach like that's it's a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of time when he retires that he gets his passing.

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<v Speaker 1>Interviewing him last year, I love those stories he spoke

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<v Speaker 1>when he went to the Broncos and he was like

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<v Speaker 1>you because he came through the Sheen system where everything

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<v Speaker 1>very detailed detail. You know, I understand the opposition.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes to.

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<v Speaker 1>I got all this stuff in the opposition, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>He listen, don't worry. We get ourselves right now.

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<v Speaker 2>One boots.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got Sailor Takiri Lockier, we got Alf, and we

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry about the opposition. We've got this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>The first training session he was there and he was

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<v Speaker 1>assistant case but he was strength and conditioner as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So he said, but I'm standing there right and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>right up, we're stretching and he said, I'm looking over

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<v Speaker 1>and Alf's just leaning on the fence and he's chatting

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<v Speaker 1>to some bloke, some old punds just walking past me

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<v Speaker 1>and he chatting away, and Billy said, he's watching Alf

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<v Speaker 1>and he's gone, and he said, he said, I can films.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting more aggravated.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I finally look over it said now I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to do something Alf And I walk over there and

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<v Speaker 1>weigh and grabs him and says, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing? He goes, I'm going to go and

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<v Speaker 1>chip alf hecause you just that's what he does.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's one. So I remember preparing for a game

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<v Speaker 3>against the Roosters when I was at the Storm, young

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<v Speaker 3>kid called Roger two of Varsas Sheck played five games

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<v Speaker 3>and Craig has ten clips on Roger two of varsas

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<v Speaker 3>k who's eight in years of age. And I'm sitting there,

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<v Speaker 3>why are you showing this kid has played five games

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<v Speaker 3>and there's ten clips. He goes maybe because he runs

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<v Speaker 3>across the field and his left foot big inside step

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<v Speaker 3>and he runs from dummy half, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>watched it was. I didn't even think any of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then five minutes in the game, Roger two of

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<v Speaker 3>us shit goes to dummy half runs across field. He's

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<v Speaker 3>running to me and all I thought was left foot,

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<v Speaker 3>left foot inside. He did a left foot and I

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<v Speaker 3>tackled him. Whereas like it's just this auto pilot that

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<v Speaker 3>comes in your head that the detail that he provides you.

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<v Speaker 2>What's really interesting is the relationship between he and Wayne.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know where where it is

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, but it would have been two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight when I was down there working with you boys, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and just beat the Broncos convincingly.

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<v Speaker 3>And two thousand and eight, that's right, you were blame

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<v Speaker 3>for the forty grand five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, a few early Yeah, that's right. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron doing the chicken point.

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<v Speaker 1>Mate, anyway, you just bleat them in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and belout game. He really got the ships. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the problem. You know, he's burning him And he said, Wayne,

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<v Speaker 2>press conference, come in. All he was talking about was

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<v Speaker 2>the wrestling. The bastard won't give me any credit. That

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<v Speaker 2>was it, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>That was I thought a really interesting insight because it's

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<v Speaker 1>true when you would, when you guys would beat the Bronco's,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing Wayne would do is to walk into

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<v Speaker 1>the press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>And talk about the wrestling. We've got to get this

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<v Speaker 2>out of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Back during the week, we're all about the headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>Mainly hard scene to follow. Said that before, but Tommy, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was really disappointed in Manly's performance. Luke Brooks hasn't played finals.

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<v Speaker 3>He's about to play his first final with many goes

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<v Speaker 3>back to like card against his old team. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was a big game for him. But it just

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<v Speaker 3>shows how important Turbo is because every time Turbo touched

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<v Speaker 3>the ball the other night it looked like he was

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<v Speaker 3>going to do something. But I think Turbo's back. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a little sequence of play that says Turbo is back.

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<v Speaker 3>Here he runs out the left hand side and just

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<v Speaker 3>big body just gets through and you think, okay, he's

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<v Speaker 3>warm to this occasion, the ball gets reset to the

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<v Speaker 3>middle and WA's where he is He on the left

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<v Speaker 3>hand side. Quick PLAYA well, this is fifth play And

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<v Speaker 3>when Turbo won the daim he did this all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>He just went from left side fifth played young Heath

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<v Speaker 3>Mason standard ay, he said, don't worry about the kick here,

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<v Speaker 3>give me the ball. I'm going to run and just

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<v Speaker 3>that flick says that he's up for this. Then there

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<v Speaker 3>was occasions when the game was on the line that

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<v Speaker 3>he just missed the mark a little bit like a

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<v Speaker 3>pasta sal he catches that puts sub away. They probably

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<v Speaker 3>win that game. But I think Turbo's back and if

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<v Speaker 3>Cherry Evans and particularly Loop Brooks can be a foil

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<v Speaker 3>for him, jeez, he puts it together. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>there's too many better than him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it isn't funny. For all his skill and ability

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<v Speaker 1>to do things that's simple. Give me the ball tied

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<v Speaker 1>to the right, let me just take on the A

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<v Speaker 1>and B defender. That's his strengthen his game.

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<v Speaker 3>When he won the Daalim, he was doing that weekly

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<v Speaker 3>like he was on the left or the right hand

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<v Speaker 3>side and a shift play and then he was just eyeballing,

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<v Speaker 3>almost stalking the middle of the ruck to see if

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lazy defender. And didn't matter what Cherry Evans

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<v Speaker 3>had called. He just went sort of yeah, the boss

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<v Speaker 3>call and took the ball and went after it.

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<v Speaker 2>Honest conversation about the roosters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting watching the roosters, and you can see that

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<v Speaker 1>the keys have been given to Sammy. Now Sammy Walker

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<v Speaker 1>roosters really smash those fringe teams, really give it to them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they play they play samball. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little it's unorthodox, I'll do things out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like that that Rooster's style of football.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have the confidence to play that type of football?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think against a Penrith Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 3>Storm are about to find out. I think the one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that is a question mark around the Roosters is

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<v Speaker 3>their ability to put eighty minute performance together. Lean in

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<v Speaker 3>before the times I thought it was actually pretty good

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<v Speaker 3>on the weekend, So they're starting to tick that box.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing that they've got to do is they've

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<v Speaker 3>got to beat Penrith and Melbourne. That's they're a killer

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<v Speaker 3>heels their record at the moment. So to answer your question,

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<v Speaker 3>to answer your question and to be fair, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think this is my opinion. I don't think the Roosters

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<v Speaker 3>need to get lucky or sidestep Melbourne or Penrith. If

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<v Speaker 3>you want to win the trophy, you go straight through

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<v Speaker 3>the front door and take them both on. So if

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<v Speaker 3>they are they probably have to meet them in week

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<v Speaker 3>one or a pre limb or a Grand Final or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing with Sam and the Roosters is we

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<v Speaker 3>just spoke about beating Penrith. There's this beautiful moment in

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<v Speaker 3>their game where it's chaos and structure. There's certain times

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<v Speaker 3>that they need to do the high percentage play and

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<v Speaker 3>then there's certain times that Sam Tedesco dom Young Marnho

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<v Speaker 3>need to take control. And if they can find that balance,

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<v Speaker 3>then I think that's where it sits, because they have

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<v Speaker 3>the firepower to beat both teams, but their record says

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<v Speaker 3>they can't, So I think it's time for them to

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeez, tell you what, isn't it funny this time of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. So you've got so the Dragon's sitting at

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<v Speaker 1>eight spot. They are two points clear, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No one wants to grab that eight spot. No one

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<v Speaker 3>like if it was there for someone Like the Dolphins

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<v Speaker 3>were there a couple of weeks back. The Broncos were

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<v Speaker 3>probably there around the origin time. They've fallen our way.

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<v Speaker 3>The Dragons have sort of been consistent. They're in pole position.

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<v Speaker 3>They got the Eels and the Raiders. The next two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks they win that they're in and that's a hell

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<v Speaker 3>of a result for the Dragons and Chane Flanagan.

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<v Speaker 2>They points differentials. That's really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>And your old mob, the Knights, they actually have an

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<v Speaker 3>okay run. They've got the Titans and the Dolphins, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to need a few things to go their way.

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<v Speaker 3>The Dolphins and the Broncos play this weekend and the

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<v Speaker 3>loser gone, Yeah, loser gone. It'll be sold out at Suncourt,

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<v Speaker 3>Wayne versus the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 2>Make this you can't make this, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't and and the loser stays on, the loser goes home.

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<v Speaker 3>The winner has a chance. But then if the Broncos

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<v Speaker 3>win that, they play the Melbourne next week, who arrested

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<v Speaker 3>their players this weekend. So I think everyone's still in contention.

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<v Speaker 3>It's strange enough, but Pulse position to the Dragons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's up to them. Dolphins, they must be kicking themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be there, They've done it. They should they

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<v Speaker 2>should be there ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>In a row. They've done exactly the same thing in Trench,

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<v Speaker 3>in the top four for the majority of the season,

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<v Speaker 3>and they get through the after halfway and start losing

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<v Speaker 3>more games than they win. There's a number of games there,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Penrith one in Golden Point that you get

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<v Speaker 3>to jag a couple of those. They are a shorter finals,

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<v Speaker 3>but you only got yourself to blat this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, who makes it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Dragons Dragon, I think to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of big games at the end of that, I will

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<v Speaker 1>say this, and the Dolphins, who knows you it could

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I will say this. The Dragons should get there,

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<v Speaker 3>but then the Dolphins and the Broncos. They must win

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<v Speaker 3>this weekend and win again. I'll tell you what with

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<v Speaker 3>the Knights playing the Titans and the Dolphins on the

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<v Speaker 3>run home. If if everyone's falling over in the last

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<v Speaker 3>four weeks, it might be the Stephen Bradburys just slides straight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Kevy came out, didn't and said we will be there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bit of that Coach West brings stuff on,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of sensing that they.

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<v Speaker 3>Should not be in the position at our full stop.

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<v Speaker 3>They should not. They should not even be fighting for it.

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<v Speaker 3>They should be locked in the top four bulldogs.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to move on. I just want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>at them for a second. Do you think they can yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Do you think they can win the camp? Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>I do? I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like their style of football, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>their style of football against big sides, against big packs

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<v Speaker 1>of forwards. It's styles make fights, and that's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about it is that they are playing a unique style

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<v Speaker 1>of football which is just so different to anybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>any of those top sides. It's football intelligence, that's highly

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<v Speaker 1>skilled fundamentals. There are so many similarities between the way

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing and the way the Tigers did in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five. Now, I'm not going to say that

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to come out of and do with the Tigers,

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<v Speaker 1>not suggesting that, but it's the style of football. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that high skill based game and it's a and like

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<v Speaker 1>the Tigers, it's it's a style of football that is

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<v Speaker 1>unique to themselves. They have found their football. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>big advantage.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be honest. I thought the Warriors might get them

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<v Speaker 3>over there with Sean Johnson and it's one stays there.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like it was going to happen, but they

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<v Speaker 3>wrestled control back, they didn't get rattled, and they delivered

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<v Speaker 3>a knockout blow at different stages. Off the top of

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<v Speaker 3>my head, finals experience kick out Crichton at Oka, Burton, Burton, Burton,

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<v Speaker 3>Mary Yeah, Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, bits and pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for a club that hasn't played finals for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time, lacks rather than Crichton like genuine like

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<v Speaker 3>leadership in finals times. I think they play Week one

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<v Speaker 3>at a core sixty seventy thousand people, probably against the

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<v Speaker 3>Dragons like that is a huge moment for our game.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's what happens. Can they handle that? Can they

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<v Speaker 3>handle it? For a month together? They could probably get

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<v Speaker 3>to a prelim.

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<v Speaker 2>So many questions, very little answer. We'll get there. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get there, right I Coops, good on your man.