Speaker 1: Better than the lego, better than One of the crucial
Speaker 1: factors in Penrith three peding gun for four in a
Speaker 1: row has been at times the absence of Nathan Cleary
Speaker 1: and what it's allowed them to do is have a
Speaker 1: look at areas of their game or their shortcomings that
Speaker 1: Nathan basically covers. When he's there, they tidy up their
Speaker 1: football he returns. The last month, I've formed an opinion which,
Speaker 1: in Nathan's absence, has given me more certainty.
Speaker 2: And one of the.
Speaker 1: Things is Coops is that one of the great things
Speaker 1: about Penrith has been that ability to hop in the
Speaker 1: grind and just wear sides down with the grind. I
Speaker 1: reckon in the last month is that Sides are starting
Speaker 1: to be able to match him in the grind in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I think Penrith are getting into
Speaker 1: the grind too willingly and getting it too early. So
Speaker 1: if you look like Penrith, We've spoken about this before,
Speaker 1: they build a game bit by bit by bit, start
Speaker 1: very conservative, those inside balls, inside balls, inside balls. But
Speaker 1: you've got to understand if you're going to get into
Speaker 1: a grind and you want to stay in an arm wrestle,
Speaker 1: then you are giving a side an opportunity to b
Speaker 1: actually beat you at the back the back end of
Speaker 1: a contest. Now, what we've seen a little bit with
Speaker 1: Penrith is this sort of football there dismally.
Speaker 2: In opposition and make it a tough arm wrestle.
Speaker 1: Really works for Penrith because when you've got one of
Speaker 1: the greatest pressure players of all time, when you take
Speaker 1: him down in the last ten to fifteen minutes and
Speaker 1: the games on the line, he'll win it for you.
Speaker 1: But in the last couple of weeks, during those that
Speaker 1: last ten to fifteen minutes and Nathan has not been there,
Speaker 1: being in the grind has enabled a team like.
Speaker 2: Camera just came out of nowhere and Snatcher win offs.
Speaker 3: Do you saying they should change their stuff.
Speaker 2: I just think I think they're starting there. I think
Speaker 2: they're starting the game.
Speaker 1: A little bit too conservative, or they're staying in the
Speaker 1: grind too long.
Speaker 3: Going to the grind football early is staying because they
Speaker 3: don't have the ability to break it open without Nathan.
Speaker 3: They're actually allowing teams to stay closer to them.
Speaker 1: And you're leaving a situation with ten to fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: ago where the oppositions in a position to beat out
Speaker 1: or like we saw on the weekend against Canberra, a
Speaker 1: couple of tough calls went against them. But that's what happens,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're leaving yourself open to take in
Speaker 1: the game into the last ten to fifteen minutes, leave
Speaker 1: you open for a bad call or something the gas
Speaker 1: goes wrong and an upset win by the opposition.
Speaker 2: Pops.
Speaker 1: I actually think Penrith, I think they'd be well served
Speaker 1: open their shoulders and playing a little bit more football early.
Speaker 3: I see where you're coming from. The chances of Ivan
Speaker 3: Cleary opening your shoulder or changing or rejigging however youon
Speaker 3: wifform it two weeks before they are on the cuffs
Speaker 3: of trying to win four in a row. It's highly unlikely.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 3: Their style has got them to this point and they're
Speaker 3: going to double down on what they're good at to
Speaker 3: get the result. Now, the two results that they've lost
Speaker 3: is close games. A penalty from Fisher Harris to Jerome
Speaker 3: Hughes gave it away, Leui intercept Savage scores, so they're
Speaker 3: still very close to those victories. Absolutely, But I understand
Speaker 3: where you're coming from, because when you win comps, you
Speaker 3: provide a style of play that shows the others, Okay,
Speaker 3: if we're going to beat Penrith, this is how we
Speaker 3: have to play, at least to get close to them.
Speaker 3: And there's no doubt that the Storm, Roosters, Sharks Dogs
Speaker 3: have changed their training to keep the ball in play
Speaker 3: for long periods of time, to fight fire with fire
Speaker 3: with Penrith. So when it comes down to that moment,
Speaker 3: an X factor play might come up with it like
Speaker 3: the Raiders did with the Intercept, very similar approach. But
Speaker 3: I think Ivan Cleary is going to double down on
Speaker 3: everything he's taught his team in the next six weeks
Speaker 3: to go after that fourth title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so as well.
Speaker 1: It served them well in my mind, hobbying the arm wrestles,
Speaker 1: stay in the grind is really important.
Speaker 2: I get all those things. It has been.
Speaker 1: Basically, it's the donkey that's taken taken them to the
Speaker 1: top of the mount.
Speaker 2: You don't want to abandon that.
Speaker 1: I think primarily you get into a grind if you're
Speaker 1: a top side, if you're if you're a Penris, I
Speaker 1: think you get into a grind. You lay yourself to
Speaker 1: get into an arm wrestle when the opposition earn it.
Speaker 3: And this is probably we spoke last week about the
Speaker 3: timing of the Nathan Cleary card. Right now they're in fourth.
Speaker 3: Is it week one now or is it week two?
Speaker 3: Is it we like prelim final? Like when does he
Speaker 3: come in to become that guy that can steer the
Speaker 3: victory when the grind is in it late? Right? Because
Speaker 3: you would have thought maybe him on the field against
Speaker 3: Melbourne he comes up with a play. Yes, maybe on
Speaker 3: the field against Canberra he comes up with a play.
Speaker 1: Do they beat the Dolphins if Nathan's not there? Remember
Speaker 1: they chase them down late. There's numerous games, close games
Speaker 1: that Nathan has got them home visibility to handle pressure
Speaker 1: greend finally an example I think almost without Nathan, I
Speaker 1: think they.
Speaker 2: Need to just read their football a little bit.
Speaker 1: They need to open the shoulders a little bit, but
Speaker 1: give themselves a chance to skip clear by a fair margin.
Speaker 3: And you're putting a lot of responsibility on then Jerome
Speaker 3: Leui to be that dynamic. Can he control the decision
Speaker 3: making of when we kick, when we go but then
Speaker 3: still have that flare of eyes what opens you know what?
Speaker 3: I'm going for it? Even though we're only eight minutes
Speaker 3: into this contest and no one's made it error. I'm
Speaker 3: going to do what I see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the last couple of weeks looking at Melbourne
Speaker 1: and what's the way Canberra play teams are changing the
Speaker 1: dynamic of how they play Penrith. They're almost once they
Speaker 1: get into the arm wrestle, they're almost doing a Penrith
Speaker 1: on Penrith. And I use an idea like when you
Speaker 1: watch Melbourne play Melbourne, we're doing a lot of little
Speaker 1: inside balls. You know what they were doing is they're
Speaker 1: engaging the Penrith middles. You know, basically the engine that
Speaker 1: drives the Penrish ship are the middle players. So they're
Speaker 1: inside balls, inside balls, inside balls. And what was crucial
Speaker 1: then is they started attacking those players directly, right the
Speaker 1: spine players.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Wish Art is a perfect example. Don't worry a big
Speaker 1: flowery attacking sequences. We're doing the job on them withinside balls.
Speaker 1: Let's attack them directly. Canbra the same on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Canbra.
Speaker 1: What Canbra did to really take a toll on their
Speaker 1: big middles. They played nice and straight. There was a
Speaker 1: number of inside balls, but they just drilled through the middle,
Speaker 1: kept drilling through the middle. Played nice and fast, a
Speaker 1: little bit unorthodox and just pushing the ball around. Don't
Speaker 1: go sideways just for the sake of it. They just
Speaker 1: keep drilling the middle, put them under pressure, make them
Speaker 1: miss tackles, quick play the balls and the more momentum
Speaker 1: you get, basically the straighter you play.
Speaker 3: I think to beat Penrith, you're either going to do
Speaker 3: what Penrith do better than them or you're going through
Speaker 3: something completely different. Now there's some signs that you've shown
Speaker 3: that teams are starting to beat Penrith doing Penrith right,
Speaker 3: and that's a good thing for those teams because they
Speaker 3: are down a couple of troops Penrith multiple times. You're
Speaker 3: seeing some younger players in positions they shouldn't or wouldn't
Speaker 3: normally be without the injuries they've had, and they're forced
Speaker 3: to come up with big players that Nathan should or
Speaker 3: a middle forward should top thing. So it's white open
Speaker 3: now like there is Penrith. Were we spoke about it,
Speaker 3: they were in pole position and know Nathan a few
Speaker 3: results what Melbourne Storm have done, you know they're probably
Speaker 3: jumped up in the pole position.
Speaker 2: What do you think about it?
Speaker 1: You spoke before about Live Football Penrith loved that live
Speaker 1: football keep it in play Delan ed Woods Brian to
Speaker 1: really get the sets going.
Speaker 3: When you're trying to break down how Penrith play, you've
Speaker 3: either got two things right you're going to do exactly
Speaker 3: what they do. So there's no doubt that, as I said,
Speaker 3: the teams up in the top four mirroring their game
Speaker 3: on how to beat Penrith, and that's live board, keep
Speaker 3: it in for six, eight, ten minutes, moment at a time,
Speaker 3: and when a penalty comes, you strike. Whereas if in
Speaker 3: the Manly the Dragons and Cowboys, they can't go set
Speaker 3: for set with Penrith, yep. But what they will have
Speaker 3: to do is find a different way kick the ball
Speaker 3: in the touch, give away penalties, hope Penrith give away
Speaker 3: penalties make it this stop start affair. So the rhythm
Speaker 3: of Penrith without Nathan feels it's quite sort of static
Speaker 3: and not really getting there. Whereas they'll save those teams
Speaker 3: I mentioned will save a lot of energy. They'll be
Speaker 3: attacking the good part of the field more often than not,
Speaker 3: and maybe.
Speaker 1: That's how they get them because you look at the
Speaker 1: way Dylan Edwards returns the ball then Brian gets on
Speaker 1: the back of that, which means you know that they're
Speaker 1: such great yardage players that the guys like Fisher, Harris
Speaker 1: and Leota don't have to go that far back to
Speaker 1: get behind the football, Whereas if you kick the ball
Speaker 1: in the touch, you know, yes, a slow's company, they've
Speaker 1: got to get all the way back.
Speaker 2: They don't get them that natural rhythm.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, like the Broncos into the late into the
Speaker 1: late nineties, you had there were similarities. You had Lockyer
Speaker 1: who returned the football, but then on the back of
Speaker 1: that you had Sailor and Hearing. So what sides used
Speaker 1: to do not the very top side, but well, actually, sorry, Paramount,
Speaker 1: we're a top side then, is what they used to do.
Speaker 2: Brian Smith come up with the tactics. Let's keep those
Speaker 2: three blokes.
Speaker 1: Out of the game by kicking the ball deliberately into
Speaker 1: the touch. Now that's Johnny Simon knocking it there, knocks
Speaker 1: another one downfield. But there were some occasions where they
Speaker 1: picked the ball up from done me half round, halfway
Speaker 1: and just kick the ball five, just put into touch.
Speaker 1: Better to do that than to let Lockier return it.
Speaker 1: Then Sailor and Lottie and.
Speaker 3: This is the tactical difference, right, Like I remember teams
Speaker 3: used to do this to Billy Slater at different stages.
Speaker 3: Just kick it. Theare take Billy.
Speaker 2: Out of the contract, change the rules, isn't it.
Speaker 3: And at certain stages it was frustrating, right, But the
Speaker 3: issue with doing that is you're showing your hand that
Speaker 3: you're worried about the back three. You're trying to go, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to take you out of the contest by
Speaker 3: kicking the touch is frustrated, but then you're also showing
Speaker 3: a sign that you're worried about it. Yes, So the
Speaker 3: thing is get the ball back into play as quickly
Speaker 3: as you can get your back through going. So there
Speaker 3: is like this game of chess that goes on and
Speaker 3: when if teams do that kick into touch, Penrith need
Speaker 3: to get their back three touching the ball and one
Speaker 3: two three to get back into rhythm. So if they,
Speaker 3: for example, find touch, the last thing Penrith need to
Speaker 3: do is put Fisher Harris in the first carry, put
Speaker 3: Leoder on tackle two, because then they're burning the juice
Speaker 3: quicker than what they were before. Still do still do
Speaker 3: edwards and get back into the rhythm.
Speaker 2: Of it.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how things change suddenly. Penrith third favorites.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We said in the week saying it's there's still
Speaker 2: my favorite. Yeah, I still like him.
Speaker 1: Interesting Melbourne yesterday morning walk into their training facility, suddenly
Speaker 1: their competition favorites. Does Craig address that anyway you shape
Speaker 1: or form.
Speaker 3: No. So Craig is I mean three veget type of guy,
Speaker 3: really simple the way he views it and doesn't overcompimicate.
Speaker 2: A source on his chops a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of that. Yeah, what he will say about the
Speaker 3: Minor Premiership is that it's value. It shows that we
Speaker 3: are consistent of the things that we wanted to improve
Speaker 3: in our game. But then the Minor Premiership is rewarded
Speaker 3: to the most consistent team. The Grand Final is rewards
Speaker 3: to the most consistent team for four weeks, so they
Speaker 3: need to go to another level. The one thing that
Speaker 3: I really like what Melbourne are doing this time around
Speaker 3: compared to previous years, I think they're defending better, which
Speaker 3: is a big thing. The team that wins is always
Speaker 3: and one of the best defensive teams. But the one
Speaker 3: thing that probably let them down the last few years
Speaker 3: is that Papenhausen Grant Munsa and Hughes. They're playing full throttle.
Speaker 3: What that spine did on the weekend dismantled the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: They all hit the scoreboard, they all did something, and
Speaker 3: I like that Their best players are playing really well, mate.
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing that makes them comp favorites.
Speaker 1: Billy got Wayne again. BILLI is Wayne's krypton at forty
Speaker 1: eight six.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you a nuanced tactical thing that why
Speaker 3: that to describe that domination, He's Bennett traditionally he was
Speaker 3: spoken about it. He's a passive defensive line. It comes up,
Speaker 3: stands still and use a sideline to slide sideways right
Speaker 3: where is Craig Bellamy's defensive is up and then coming
Speaker 3: in if the decision has made. So I think the
Speaker 3: one thing that Craig Bellamy does well against Wayne Bennett
Speaker 3: coach team is he tries to play through the passive
Speaker 3: defensive line as opposed to around. There's a lot more running,
Speaker 3: there's a lot more short passes than finess finesse, try
Speaker 3: and get it around. So tactically, I think Craig Bellmy's
Speaker 3: style of playing football suits that of Craig.
Speaker 1: As playmakers, we love playing against that passive slide defense
Speaker 1: because it allows you basically time to do it.
Speaker 3: Wll like offence paling with gaps in between it, and
Speaker 3: he just played to defence pail in a short pass
Speaker 3: and just do touch after touch, particularly the half you
Speaker 3: might run the ball and then a short pass, then
Speaker 3: then get the ball again. Run the ball short pass
Speaker 3: as opposed to lateral passes.
Speaker 1: And people will get there and say, well, if that's
Speaker 1: the case, wasn't everyone to defend aggressive outside it because
Speaker 1: it's tax and it's hard. It's an exact science. You
Speaker 1: know you're getting up there. You've got to get things right.
Speaker 1: And I suppose these days were hitting guys high. It's
Speaker 1: high risk, as we saw with Origin with Joseph. It's interesting,
Speaker 1: like the relationship between Wayne and Craig.
Speaker 2: I like this true. When Wayne went.
Speaker 1: To the Raiders in nine to eighty seven as co
Speaker 1: coach with Don Ferner, he brought this fitness regime and
Speaker 1: he worked. There was his ten and a half k
Speaker 1: run in around camera and Wayne won it every time
Speaker 1: except once when he did a run and this guy
Speaker 1: who he didn't really know that well, had missed most
Speaker 1: of the pre season with the car for an Achilles injury,
Speaker 1: and Wayne's off on this run about nine k's in.
Speaker 1: He's winning easily, and all of a sudden he hear
Speaker 1: this footstep running on what that looks around and this
Speaker 1: play didn't know a lot about just went straight past him.
Speaker 2: Craig Bellamy, I.
Speaker 3: Think one of the other stories too, is sort of
Speaker 3: his analogy for the way they coach is when Craig
Speaker 3: was assistant to Wayne at the Bronze Goes. I think
Speaker 3: Craig would do this, all this analysis on the opposition,
Speaker 3: their strengths and weaknesses, bring it in and show Wayne
Speaker 3: and Wayne will go, we don't need to worry about that.
Speaker 3: We've got this great team here. Let's focus on us.
Speaker 3: And when he goes to Melbourne. The one thing that
Speaker 3: Craig Belly does every week is he makes sure that
Speaker 3: his team's prepared of what's coming their way. Like that,
Speaker 3: every time I played under Craig, I knew what the
Speaker 3: opposition was going to do before then. So the understanding
Speaker 3: of what is coming, the strengths and weaknesses to stop,
Speaker 3: and then where to attack. We haven't even spoken about
Speaker 3: what we style a play first, so it's two approaches
Speaker 3: that are super successful. And to be fair. Wayne got
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame the other day and Craig
Speaker 3: Bell and he's got a hell of a record against
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame coach like that's it's a matter
Speaker 3: of time when he retires that he gets his passing.
Speaker 1: Interviewing him last year, I love those stories he spoke
Speaker 1: when he went to the Broncos and he was like
Speaker 1: you because he came through the Sheen system where everything
Speaker 1: very detailed detail. You know, I understand the opposition.
Speaker 2: He comes to.
Speaker 1: I got all this stuff in the opposition, he said.
Speaker 1: He listen, don't worry. We get ourselves right now.
Speaker 2: One boots.
Speaker 3: We've got Sailor Takiri Lockier, we got Alf, and we
Speaker 3: don't worry about the opposition. We've got this.
Speaker 2: Well, he said.
Speaker 1: The first training session he was there and he was
Speaker 1: assistant case but he was strength and conditioner as well.
Speaker 1: So he said, but I'm standing there right and he said,
Speaker 1: right up, we're stretching and he said, I'm looking over
Speaker 1: and Alf's just leaning on the fence and he's chatting
Speaker 1: to some bloke, some old punds just walking past me
Speaker 1: and he chatting away, and Billy said, he's watching Alf
Speaker 1: and he's gone, and he said, he said, I can films.
Speaker 2: Getting more aggravated.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I finally look over it said now I've got
Speaker 1: to do something Alf And I walk over there and
Speaker 1: weigh and grabs him and says, what do you think
Speaker 1: you were doing? He goes, I'm going to go and
Speaker 1: chip alf hecause you just that's what he does.
Speaker 3: Well, here's one. So I remember preparing for a game
Speaker 3: against the Roosters when I was at the Storm, young
Speaker 3: kid called Roger two of Varsas Sheck played five games
Speaker 3: and Craig has ten clips on Roger two of varsas
Speaker 3: k who's eight in years of age. And I'm sitting there,
Speaker 3: why are you showing this kid has played five games
Speaker 3: and there's ten clips. He goes maybe because he runs
Speaker 3: across the field and his left foot big inside step
Speaker 3: and he runs from dummy half, and I was like,
Speaker 3: watched it was. I didn't even think any of it.
Speaker 3: And then five minutes in the game, Roger two of
Speaker 3: us shit goes to dummy half runs across field. He's
Speaker 3: running to me and all I thought was left foot,
Speaker 3: left foot inside. He did a left foot and I
Speaker 3: tackled him. Whereas like it's just this auto pilot that
Speaker 3: comes in your head that the detail that he provides you.
Speaker 2: What's really interesting is the relationship between he and Wayne.
Speaker 2: They've been on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where where it is
Speaker 1: at the moment, but it would have been two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight when I was down there working with you boys, right,
Speaker 1: and just beat the Broncos convincingly.
Speaker 3: And two thousand and eight, that's right, you were blame
Speaker 3: for the forty grand five.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, a few early Yeah, that's right. It wasn't
Speaker 2: Cameron doing the chicken point.
Speaker 1: Mate, anyway, you just bleat them in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and belout game. He really got the ships. I said,
Speaker 2: what's the problem. You know, he's burning him And he said, Wayne,
Speaker 2: press conference, come in. All he was talking about was
Speaker 2: the wrestling. The bastard won't give me any credit. That
Speaker 2: was it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That was I thought a really interesting insight because it's
Speaker 1: true when you would, when you guys would beat the Bronco's,
Speaker 1: the first thing Wayne would do is to walk into
Speaker 1: the press conference.
Speaker 2: And talk about the wrestling. We've got to get this
Speaker 2: out of the game.
Speaker 3: Back during the week, we're all about the headlines.
Speaker 2: Mainly hard scene to follow. Said that before, but Tommy, I.
Speaker 3: Was really disappointed in Manly's performance. Luke Brooks hasn't played finals.
Speaker 3: He's about to play his first final with many goes
Speaker 3: back to like card against his old team. I thought
Speaker 3: it was a big game for him. But it just
Speaker 3: shows how important Turbo is because every time Turbo touched
Speaker 3: the ball the other night it looked like he was
Speaker 3: going to do something. But I think Turbo's back. There's
Speaker 3: a little sequence of play that says Turbo is back.
Speaker 3: Here he runs out the left hand side and just
Speaker 3: big body just gets through and you think, okay, he's
Speaker 3: warm to this occasion, the ball gets reset to the
Speaker 3: middle and WA's where he is He on the left
Speaker 3: hand side. Quick PLAYA well, this is fifth play And
Speaker 3: when Turbo won the daim he did this all the time.
Speaker 3: He just went from left side fifth played young Heath
Speaker 3: Mason standard ay, he said, don't worry about the kick here,
Speaker 3: give me the ball. I'm going to run and just
Speaker 3: that flick says that he's up for this. Then there
Speaker 3: was occasions when the game was on the line that
Speaker 3: he just missed the mark a little bit like a
Speaker 3: pasta sal he catches that puts sub away. They probably
Speaker 3: win that game. But I think Turbo's back and if
Speaker 3: Cherry Evans and particularly Loop Brooks can be a foil
Speaker 3: for him, jeez, he puts it together. I don't think
Speaker 3: there's too many better than him.
Speaker 1: Well, it isn't funny. For all his skill and ability
Speaker 1: to do things that's simple. Give me the ball tied
Speaker 1: to the right, let me just take on the A
Speaker 1: and B defender. That's his strengthen his game.
Speaker 3: When he won the Daalim, he was doing that weekly
Speaker 3: like he was on the left or the right hand
Speaker 3: side and a shift play and then he was just eyeballing,
Speaker 3: almost stalking the middle of the ruck to see if
Speaker 3: there's a lazy defender. And didn't matter what Cherry Evans
Speaker 3: had called. He just went sort of yeah, the boss
Speaker 3: call and took the ball and went after it.
Speaker 2: Honest conversation about the roosters.
Speaker 1: It's interesting watching the roosters, and you can see that
Speaker 1: the keys have been given to Sammy. Now Sammy Walker
Speaker 1: roosters really smash those fringe teams, really give it to them,
Speaker 1: and they play they play samball. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: little it's unorthodox, I'll do things out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I really like that that Rooster's style of football.
Speaker 1: Do they have the confidence to play that type of football?
Speaker 2: Do you think against a Penrith Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Storm are about to find out. I think the one
Speaker 3: thing that is a question mark around the Roosters is
Speaker 3: their ability to put eighty minute performance together. Lean in
Speaker 3: before the times I thought it was actually pretty good
Speaker 3: on the weekend, So they're starting to tick that box.
Speaker 3: The other thing that they've got to do is they've
Speaker 3: got to beat Penrith and Melbourne. That's they're a killer
Speaker 3: heels their record at the moment. So to answer your question,
Speaker 3: to answer your question and to be fair, I don't
Speaker 3: think this is my opinion. I don't think the Roosters
Speaker 3: need to get lucky or sidestep Melbourne or Penrith. If
Speaker 3: you want to win the trophy, you go straight through
Speaker 3: the front door and take them both on. So if
Speaker 3: they are they probably have to meet them in week
Speaker 3: one or a pre limb or a Grand Final or whatever.
Speaker 3: But the thing with Sam and the Roosters is we
Speaker 3: just spoke about beating Penrith. There's this beautiful moment in
Speaker 3: their game where it's chaos and structure. There's certain times
Speaker 3: that they need to do the high percentage play and
Speaker 3: then there's certain times that Sam Tedesco dom Young Marnho
Speaker 3: need to take control. And if they can find that balance,
Speaker 3: then I think that's where it sits, because they have
Speaker 3: the firepower to beat both teams, but their record says
Speaker 3: they can't, So I think it's time for them to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: Jeez, tell you what, isn't it funny this time of
Speaker 1: the year. So you've got so the Dragon's sitting at
Speaker 1: eight spot. They are two points clear, right.
Speaker 3: No one wants to grab that eight spot. No one
Speaker 3: like if it was there for someone Like the Dolphins
Speaker 3: were there a couple of weeks back. The Broncos were
Speaker 3: probably there around the origin time. They've fallen our way.
Speaker 3: The Dragons have sort of been consistent. They're in pole position.
Speaker 3: They got the Eels and the Raiders. The next two
Speaker 3: weeks they win that they're in and that's a hell
Speaker 3: of a result for the Dragons and Chane Flanagan.
Speaker 2: They points differentials. That's really bad.
Speaker 3: And your old mob, the Knights, they actually have an
Speaker 3: okay run. They've got the Titans and the Dolphins, and
Speaker 3: they're going to need a few things to go their way.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins and the Broncos play this weekend and the
Speaker 3: loser gone, Yeah, loser gone. It'll be sold out at Suncourt,
Speaker 3: Wayne versus the Bronx.
Speaker 2: Make this you can't make this, you.
Speaker 3: Can't and and the loser stays on, the loser goes home.
Speaker 3: The winner has a chance. But then if the Broncos
Speaker 3: win that, they play the Melbourne next week, who arrested
Speaker 3: their players this weekend. So I think everyone's still in contention.
Speaker 3: It's strange enough, but Pulse position to the Dragons.
Speaker 2: It's up to them. Dolphins, they must be kicking themselves.
Speaker 2: They should be there, They've done it. They should they
Speaker 2: should be there ten years.
Speaker 3: In a row. They've done exactly the same thing in Trench,
Speaker 3: in the top four for the majority of the season,
Speaker 3: and they get through the after halfway and start losing
Speaker 3: more games than they win. There's a number of games there,
Speaker 3: like the Penrith one in Golden Point that you get
Speaker 3: to jag a couple of those. They are a shorter finals,
Speaker 3: but you only got yourself to blat this time.
Speaker 2: Yet, who makes it?
Speaker 1: I think the Dragons Dragon, I think to a couple
Speaker 1: of big games at the end of that, I will
Speaker 1: say this, and the Dolphins, who knows you it could
Speaker 1: be one of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this. The Dragons should get there,
Speaker 3: but then the Dolphins and the Broncos. They must win
Speaker 3: this weekend and win again. I'll tell you what with
Speaker 3: the Knights playing the Titans and the Dolphins on the
Speaker 3: run home. If if everyone's falling over in the last
Speaker 3: four weeks, it might be the Stephen Bradburys just slides straight.
Speaker 1: Well, Kevy came out, didn't and said we will be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a bit of that Coach West brings stuff on,
Speaker 1: sort of sensing that they.
Speaker 3: Should not be in the position at our full stop.
Speaker 3: They should not. They should not even be fighting for it.
Speaker 3: They should be locked in the top four bulldogs.
Speaker 2: We're going to move on. I just want to talk
Speaker 2: at them for a second. Do you think they can yes?
Speaker 2: I do. Do you think they can win the camp? Yep?
Speaker 2: I do? I do.
Speaker 1: I really like their style of football, and I like
Speaker 1: their style of football against big sides, against big packs
Speaker 1: of forwards. It's styles make fights, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: about it is that they are playing a unique style
Speaker 1: of football which is just so different to anybody else,
Speaker 1: any of those top sides. It's football intelligence, that's highly
Speaker 1: skilled fundamentals. There are so many similarities between the way
Speaker 1: they're playing and the way the Tigers did in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. Now, I'm not going to say that
Speaker 1: they're going to come out of and do with the Tigers,
Speaker 1: not suggesting that, but it's the style of football. It's
Speaker 1: that high skill based game and it's a and like
Speaker 1: the Tigers, it's it's a style of football that is
Speaker 1: unique to themselves. They have found their football. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: big advantage.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I thought the Warriors might get them
Speaker 3: over there with Sean Johnson and it's one stays there.
Speaker 3: It looked like it was going to happen, but they
Speaker 3: wrestled control back, they didn't get rattled, and they delivered
Speaker 3: a knockout blow at different stages. Off the top of
Speaker 3: my head, finals experience kick out Crichton at Oka, Burton, Burton, Burton,
Speaker 3: Mary Yeah, Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, bits and pieces.
Speaker 3: I think for a club that hasn't played finals for
Speaker 3: a long time, lacks rather than Crichton like genuine like
Speaker 3: leadership in finals times. I think they play Week one
Speaker 3: at a core sixty seventy thousand people, probably against the
Speaker 3: Dragons like that is a huge moment for our game.
Speaker 3: If that's what happens. Can they handle that? Can they
Speaker 3: handle it? For a month together? They could probably get
Speaker 3: to a prelim.
Speaker 2: So many questions, very little answer. We'll get there. We'll
Speaker 2: get there, right I Coops, good on your man.