1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: Better than the lego, better than One of the crucial 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: factors in Penrith three peding gun for four in a 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: row has been at times the absence of Nathan Cleary 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: and what it's allowed them to do is have a 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: look at areas of their game or their shortcomings that 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Nathan basically covers. When he's there, they tidy up their 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: football he returns. The last month, I've formed an opinion which, 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: in Nathan's absence, has given me more certainty. 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: And one of the. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Things is Coops is that one of the great things 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: about Penrith has been that ability to hop in the 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: grind and just wear sides down with the grind. I 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: reckon in the last month is that Sides are starting 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: to be able to match him in the grind in 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I think Penrith are getting into 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: the grind too willingly and getting it too early. So 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: if you look like Penrith, We've spoken about this before, 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: they build a game bit by bit by bit, start 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: very conservative, those inside balls, inside balls, inside balls. But 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: you've got to understand if you're going to get into 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: a grind and you want to stay in an arm wrestle, 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: then you are giving a side an opportunity to b 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: actually beat you at the back the back end of 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: a contest. Now, what we've seen a little bit with 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Penrith is this sort of football there dismally. 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: In opposition and make it a tough arm wrestle. 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Really works for Penrith because when you've got one of 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: the greatest pressure players of all time, when you take 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: him down in the last ten to fifteen minutes and 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: the games on the line, he'll win it for you. 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: But in the last couple of weeks, during those that 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: last ten to fifteen minutes and Nathan has not been there, 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: being in the grind has enabled a team like. 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: Camera just came out of nowhere and Snatcher win offs. 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: Do you saying they should change their stuff. 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: I just think I think they're starting there. I think 37 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: they're starting the game. 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: A little bit too conservative, or they're staying in the 39 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: grind too long. 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: Going to the grind football early is staying because they 41 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: don't have the ability to break it open without Nathan. 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: They're actually allowing teams to stay closer to them. 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: And you're leaving a situation with ten to fifteen minutes 44 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: ago where the oppositions in a position to beat out 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: or like we saw on the weekend against Canberra, a 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: couple of tough calls went against them. But that's what happens, 47 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, like you're leaving yourself open to take in 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: the game into the last ten to fifteen minutes, leave 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: you open for a bad call or something the gas 50 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: goes wrong and an upset win by the opposition. 51 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: Pops. 52 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: I actually think Penrith, I think they'd be well served 53 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: open their shoulders and playing a little bit more football early. 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: I see where you're coming from. The chances of Ivan 55 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: Cleary opening your shoulder or changing or rejigging however youon 56 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: wifform it two weeks before they are on the cuffs 57 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: of trying to win four in a row. It's highly unlikely. 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: Totally. 59 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: Their style has got them to this point and they're 60 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: going to double down on what they're good at to 61 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: get the result. Now, the two results that they've lost 62 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: is close games. A penalty from Fisher Harris to Jerome 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: Hughes gave it away, Leui intercept Savage scores, so they're 64 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: still very close to those victories. Absolutely, But I understand 65 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: where you're coming from, because when you win comps, you 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: provide a style of play that shows the others, Okay, 67 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: if we're going to beat Penrith, this is how we 68 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: have to play, at least to get close to them. 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: And there's no doubt that the Storm, Roosters, Sharks Dogs 70 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: have changed their training to keep the ball in play 71 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: for long periods of time, to fight fire with fire 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: with Penrith. So when it comes down to that moment, 73 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: an X factor play might come up with it like 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: the Raiders did with the Intercept, very similar approach. But 75 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: I think Ivan Cleary is going to double down on 76 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: everything he's taught his team in the next six weeks 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: to go after that fourth title. 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so as well. 79 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: It served them well in my mind, hobbying the arm wrestles, 80 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: stay in the grind is really important. 81 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: I get all those things. It has been. 82 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Basically, it's the donkey that's taken taken them to the 83 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: top of the mount. 84 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: You don't want to abandon that. 85 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: I think primarily you get into a grind if you're 86 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: a top side, if you're if you're a Penris, I 87 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: think you get into a grind. You lay yourself to 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: get into an arm wrestle when the opposition earn it. 89 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: And this is probably we spoke last week about the 90 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: timing of the Nathan Cleary card. Right now they're in fourth. 91 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 3: Is it week one now or is it week two? 92 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: Is it we like prelim final? Like when does he 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: come in to become that guy that can steer the 94 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: victory when the grind is in it late? Right? Because 95 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: you would have thought maybe him on the field against 96 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: Melbourne he comes up with a play. Yes, maybe on 97 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: the field against Canberra he comes up with a play. 98 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Do they beat the Dolphins if Nathan's not there? Remember 99 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: they chase them down late. There's numerous games, close games 100 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: that Nathan has got them home visibility to handle pressure 101 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: greend finally an example I think almost without Nathan, I 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: think they. 103 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: Need to just read their football a little bit. 104 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: They need to open the shoulders a little bit, but 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: give themselves a chance to skip clear by a fair margin. 106 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: And you're putting a lot of responsibility on then Jerome 107 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: Leui to be that dynamic. Can he control the decision 108 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: making of when we kick, when we go but then 109 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: still have that flare of eyes what opens you know what? 110 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: I'm going for it? Even though we're only eight minutes 111 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: into this contest and no one's made it error. I'm 112 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: going to do what I see. 113 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the last couple of weeks looking at Melbourne 114 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: and what's the way Canberra play teams are changing the 115 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: dynamic of how they play Penrith. They're almost once they 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: get into the arm wrestle, they're almost doing a Penrith 117 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: on Penrith. And I use an idea like when you 118 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: watch Melbourne play Melbourne, we're doing a lot of little 119 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: inside balls. You know what they were doing is they're 120 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: engaging the Penrith middles. You know, basically the engine that 121 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: drives the Penrish ship are the middle players. So they're 122 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: inside balls, inside balls, inside balls. And what was crucial 123 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: then is they started attacking those players directly, right the 124 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: spine players. 125 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: Here we go. 126 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Wish Art is a perfect example. Don't worry a big 127 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: flowery attacking sequences. We're doing the job on them withinside balls. 128 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Let's attack them directly. Canbra the same on the weekend. 129 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: Canbra. 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: What Canbra did to really take a toll on their 131 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: big middles. They played nice and straight. There was a 132 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: number of inside balls, but they just drilled through the middle, 133 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: kept drilling through the middle. Played nice and fast, a 134 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: little bit unorthodox and just pushing the ball around. Don't 135 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: go sideways just for the sake of it. They just 136 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: keep drilling the middle, put them under pressure, make them 137 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: miss tackles, quick play the balls and the more momentum 138 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: you get, basically the straighter you play. 139 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: I think to beat Penrith, you're either going to do 140 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: what Penrith do better than them or you're going through 141 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: something completely different. Now there's some signs that you've shown 142 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: that teams are starting to beat Penrith doing Penrith right, 143 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: and that's a good thing for those teams because they 144 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: are down a couple of troops Penrith multiple times. You're 145 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: seeing some younger players in positions they shouldn't or wouldn't 146 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: normally be without the injuries they've had, and they're forced 147 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: to come up with big players that Nathan should or 148 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 3: a middle forward should top thing. So it's white open 149 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: now like there is Penrith. Were we spoke about it, 150 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: they were in pole position and know Nathan a few 151 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: results what Melbourne Storm have done, you know they're probably 152 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: jumped up in the pole position. 153 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: What do you think about it? 154 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: You spoke before about Live Football Penrith loved that live 155 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: football keep it in play Delan ed Woods Brian to 156 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: really get the sets going. 157 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: When you're trying to break down how Penrith play, you've 158 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: either got two things right you're going to do exactly 159 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: what they do. So there's no doubt that, as I said, 160 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: the teams up in the top four mirroring their game 161 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: on how to beat Penrith, and that's live board, keep 162 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: it in for six, eight, ten minutes, moment at a time, 163 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: and when a penalty comes, you strike. Whereas if in 164 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: the Manly the Dragons and Cowboys, they can't go set 165 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: for set with Penrith, yep. But what they will have 166 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: to do is find a different way kick the ball 167 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: in the touch, give away penalties, hope Penrith give away 168 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: penalties make it this stop start affair. So the rhythm 169 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: of Penrith without Nathan feels it's quite sort of static 170 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: and not really getting there. Whereas they'll save those teams 171 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: I mentioned will save a lot of energy. They'll be 172 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: attacking the good part of the field more often than not, 173 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: and maybe. 174 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: That's how they get them because you look at the 175 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: way Dylan Edwards returns the ball then Brian gets on 176 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: the back of that, which means you know that they're 177 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: such great yardage players that the guys like Fisher, Harris 178 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: and Leota don't have to go that far back to 179 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: get behind the football, Whereas if you kick the ball 180 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: in the touch, you know, yes, a slow's company, they've 181 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: got to get all the way back. 182 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: They don't get them that natural rhythm. 183 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: It's interesting, like the Broncos into the late into the 184 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: late nineties, you had there were similarities. You had Lockyer 185 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: who returned the football, but then on the back of 186 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: that you had Sailor and Hearing. So what sides used 187 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: to do not the very top side, but well, actually, sorry, Paramount, 188 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: we're a top side then, is what they used to do. 189 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: Brian Smith come up with the tactics. Let's keep those 190 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: three blokes. 191 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: Out of the game by kicking the ball deliberately into 192 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: the touch. Now that's Johnny Simon knocking it there, knocks 193 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: another one downfield. But there were some occasions where they 194 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: picked the ball up from done me half round, halfway 195 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: and just kick the ball five, just put into touch. 196 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Better to do that than to let Lockier return it. 197 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: Then Sailor and Lottie and. 198 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: This is the tactical difference, right, Like I remember teams 199 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: used to do this to Billy Slater at different stages. 200 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 3: Just kick it. Theare take Billy. 201 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: Out of the contract, change the rules, isn't it. 202 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: And at certain stages it was frustrating, right, But the 203 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: issue with doing that is you're showing your hand that 204 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: you're worried about the back three. You're trying to go, Okay, 205 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: we're going to take you out of the contest by 206 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 3: kicking the touch is frustrated, but then you're also showing 207 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: a sign that you're worried about it. Yes, So the 208 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: thing is get the ball back into play as quickly 209 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: as you can get your back through going. So there 210 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: is like this game of chess that goes on and 211 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: when if teams do that kick into touch, Penrith need 212 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: to get their back three touching the ball and one 213 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: two three to get back into rhythm. So if they, 214 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: for example, find touch, the last thing Penrith need to 215 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: do is put Fisher Harris in the first carry, put 216 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: Leoder on tackle two, because then they're burning the juice 217 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: quicker than what they were before. Still do still do 218 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: edwards and get back into the rhythm. 219 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: Of it. 220 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: It's amazing how things change suddenly. Penrith third favorites. 221 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. We said in the week saying it's there's still 222 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: my favorite. Yeah, I still like him. 223 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: Interesting Melbourne yesterday morning walk into their training facility, suddenly 224 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: their competition favorites. Does Craig address that anyway you shape 225 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: or form. 226 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: No. So Craig is I mean three veget type of guy, 227 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: really simple the way he views it and doesn't overcompimicate. 228 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: A source on his chops a little. 229 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: Bit of that. Yeah, what he will say about the 230 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: Minor Premiership is that it's value. It shows that we 231 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: are consistent of the things that we wanted to improve 232 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 3: in our game. But then the Minor Premiership is rewarded 233 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: to the most consistent team. The Grand Final is rewards 234 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: to the most consistent team for four weeks, so they 235 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 3: need to go to another level. The one thing that 236 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: I really like what Melbourne are doing this time around 237 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: compared to previous years, I think they're defending better, which 238 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: is a big thing. The team that wins is always 239 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: and one of the best defensive teams. But the one 240 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: thing that probably let them down the last few years 241 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: is that Papenhausen Grant Munsa and Hughes. They're playing full throttle. 242 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,359 Speaker 3: What that spine did on the weekend dismantled the Dolphins. 243 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: They all hit the scoreboard, they all did something, and 244 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: I like that Their best players are playing really well, mate. 245 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: I think that's the thing that makes them comp favorites. 246 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: Billy got Wayne again. BILLI is Wayne's krypton at forty 247 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: eight six. 248 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: Let me tell you a nuanced tactical thing that why 249 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: that to describe that domination, He's Bennett traditionally he was 250 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: spoken about it. He's a passive defensive line. It comes up, 251 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: stands still and use a sideline to slide sideways right 252 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: where is Craig Bellamy's defensive is up and then coming 253 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: in if the decision has made. So I think the 254 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: one thing that Craig Bellamy does well against Wayne Bennett 255 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: coach team is he tries to play through the passive 256 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: defensive line as opposed to around. There's a lot more running, 257 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: there's a lot more short passes than finess finesse, try 258 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: and get it around. So tactically, I think Craig Bellmy's 259 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: style of playing football suits that of Craig. 260 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: As playmakers, we love playing against that passive slide defense 261 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: because it allows you basically time to do it. 262 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: Wll like offence paling with gaps in between it, and 263 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: he just played to defence pail in a short pass 264 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: and just do touch after touch, particularly the half you 265 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: might run the ball and then a short pass, then 266 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: then get the ball again. Run the ball short pass 267 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: as opposed to lateral passes. 268 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: And people will get there and say, well, if that's 269 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: the case, wasn't everyone to defend aggressive outside it because 270 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: it's tax and it's hard. It's an exact science. You 271 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: know you're getting up there. You've got to get things right. 272 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: And I suppose these days were hitting guys high. It's 273 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: high risk, as we saw with Origin with Joseph. It's interesting, 274 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: like the relationship between Wayne and Craig. 275 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: I like this true. When Wayne went. 276 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: To the Raiders in nine to eighty seven as co 277 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: coach with Don Ferner, he brought this fitness regime and 278 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: he worked. There was his ten and a half k 279 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: run in around camera and Wayne won it every time 280 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: except once when he did a run and this guy 281 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: who he didn't really know that well, had missed most 282 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: of the pre season with the car for an Achilles injury, 283 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: and Wayne's off on this run about nine k's in. 284 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: He's winning easily, and all of a sudden he hear 285 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: this footstep running on what that looks around and this 286 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: play didn't know a lot about just went straight past him. 287 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: Craig Bellamy, I. 288 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: Think one of the other stories too, is sort of 289 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: his analogy for the way they coach is when Craig 290 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 3: was assistant to Wayne at the Bronze Goes. I think 291 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: Craig would do this, all this analysis on the opposition, 292 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: their strengths and weaknesses, bring it in and show Wayne 293 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: and Wayne will go, we don't need to worry about that. 294 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: We've got this great team here. Let's focus on us. 295 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: And when he goes to Melbourne. The one thing that 296 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: Craig Belly does every week is he makes sure that 297 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: his team's prepared of what's coming their way. Like that, 298 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: every time I played under Craig, I knew what the 299 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: opposition was going to do before then. So the understanding 300 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: of what is coming, the strengths and weaknesses to stop, 301 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: and then where to attack. We haven't even spoken about 302 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: what we style a play first, so it's two approaches 303 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: that are super successful. And to be fair. Wayne got 304 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame the other day and Craig 305 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: Bell and he's got a hell of a record against 306 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame coach like that's it's a matter 307 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: of time when he retires that he gets his passing. 308 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: Interviewing him last year, I love those stories he spoke 309 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: when he went to the Broncos and he was like 310 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: you because he came through the Sheen system where everything 311 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: very detailed detail. You know, I understand the opposition. 312 00:14:59,360 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: He comes to. 313 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I got all this stuff in the opposition, he said. 314 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: He listen, don't worry. We get ourselves right now. 315 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: One boots. 316 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: We've got Sailor Takiri Lockier, we got Alf, and we 317 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: don't worry about the opposition. We've got this. 318 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: Well, he said. 319 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: The first training session he was there and he was 320 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: assistant case but he was strength and conditioner as well. 321 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: So he said, but I'm standing there right and he said, 322 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: right up, we're stretching and he said, I'm looking over 323 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: and Alf's just leaning on the fence and he's chatting 324 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: to some bloke, some old punds just walking past me 325 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: and he chatting away, and Billy said, he's watching Alf 326 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: and he's gone, and he said, he said, I can films. 327 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: Getting more aggravated. 328 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Anyway, I finally look over it said now I've got 329 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: to do something Alf And I walk over there and 330 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: weigh and grabs him and says, what do you think 331 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: you were doing? He goes, I'm going to go and 332 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: chip alf hecause you just that's what he does. 333 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: Well, here's one. So I remember preparing for a game 334 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: against the Roosters when I was at the Storm, young 335 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: kid called Roger two of Varsas Sheck played five games 336 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: and Craig has ten clips on Roger two of varsas 337 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: k who's eight in years of age. And I'm sitting there, 338 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: why are you showing this kid has played five games 339 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: and there's ten clips. He goes maybe because he runs 340 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: across the field and his left foot big inside step 341 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: and he runs from dummy half, and I was like, 342 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: watched it was. I didn't even think any of it. 343 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: And then five minutes in the game, Roger two of 344 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: us shit goes to dummy half runs across field. He's 345 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: running to me and all I thought was left foot, 346 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: left foot inside. He did a left foot and I 347 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: tackled him. Whereas like it's just this auto pilot that 348 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: comes in your head that the detail that he provides you. 349 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: What's really interesting is the relationship between he and Wayne. 350 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: They've been on it. 351 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where where it is 352 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: at the moment, but it would have been two thousand 353 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: and eight when I was down there working with you boys, right, 354 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: and just beat the Broncos convincingly. 355 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: And two thousand and eight, that's right, you were blame 356 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: for the forty grand five. 357 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, a few early Yeah, that's right. It wasn't 358 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: Cameron doing the chicken point. 359 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Mate, anyway, you just bleat them in Melbourne. 360 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and belout game. He really got the ships. I said, 361 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: what's the problem. You know, he's burning him And he said, Wayne, 362 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: press conference, come in. All he was talking about was 363 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: the wrestling. The bastard won't give me any credit. That 364 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: was it, you know what I mean? 365 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: That was I thought a really interesting insight because it's 366 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: true when you would, when you guys would beat the Bronco's, 367 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: the first thing Wayne would do is to walk into 368 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: the press conference. 369 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: And talk about the wrestling. We've got to get this 370 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: out of the game. 371 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: Back during the week, we're all about the headlines. 372 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: Mainly hard scene to follow. Said that before, but Tommy, I. 373 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 3: Was really disappointed in Manly's performance. Luke Brooks hasn't played finals. 374 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 3: He's about to play his first final with many goes 375 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: back to like card against his old team. I thought 376 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 3: it was a big game for him. But it just 377 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: shows how important Turbo is because every time Turbo touched 378 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: the ball the other night it looked like he was 379 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: going to do something. But I think Turbo's back. There's 380 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: a little sequence of play that says Turbo is back. 381 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: Here he runs out the left hand side and just 382 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: big body just gets through and you think, okay, he's 383 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: warm to this occasion, the ball gets reset to the 384 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: middle and WA's where he is He on the left 385 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: hand side. Quick PLAYA well, this is fifth play And 386 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 3: when Turbo won the daim he did this all the time. 387 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 3: He just went from left side fifth played young Heath 388 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 3: Mason standard ay, he said, don't worry about the kick here, 389 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: give me the ball. I'm going to run and just 390 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: that flick says that he's up for this. Then there 391 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 3: was occasions when the game was on the line that 392 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: he just missed the mark a little bit like a 393 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: pasta sal he catches that puts sub away. They probably 394 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: win that game. But I think Turbo's back and if 395 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: Cherry Evans and particularly Loop Brooks can be a foil 396 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: for him, jeez, he puts it together. I don't think 397 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: there's too many better than him. 398 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: Well, it isn't funny. For all his skill and ability 399 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: to do things that's simple. Give me the ball tied 400 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: to the right, let me just take on the A 401 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: and B defender. That's his strengthen his game. 402 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 3: When he won the Daalim, he was doing that weekly 403 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: like he was on the left or the right hand 404 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 3: side and a shift play and then he was just eyeballing, 405 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: almost stalking the middle of the ruck to see if 406 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: there's a lazy defender. And didn't matter what Cherry Evans 407 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: had called. He just went sort of yeah, the boss 408 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: call and took the ball and went after it. 409 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: Honest conversation about the roosters. 410 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: It's interesting watching the roosters, and you can see that 411 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: the keys have been given to Sammy. Now Sammy Walker 412 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: roosters really smash those fringe teams, really give it to them, 413 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: and they play they play samball. You know, there's a 414 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: little it's unorthodox, I'll do things out of nowhere. 415 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: I really like that that Rooster's style of football. 416 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: Do they have the confidence to play that type of football? 417 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: Do you think against a Penrith Melbourne. 418 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 3: Storm are about to find out. I think the one 419 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 3: thing that is a question mark around the Roosters is 420 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: their ability to put eighty minute performance together. Lean in 421 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: before the times I thought it was actually pretty good 422 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: on the weekend, So they're starting to tick that box. 423 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: The other thing that they've got to do is they've 424 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: got to beat Penrith and Melbourne. That's they're a killer 425 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: heels their record at the moment. So to answer your question, 426 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: to answer your question and to be fair, I don't 427 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: think this is my opinion. I don't think the Roosters 428 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: need to get lucky or sidestep Melbourne or Penrith. If 429 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: you want to win the trophy, you go straight through 430 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: the front door and take them both on. So if 431 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: they are they probably have to meet them in week 432 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: one or a pre limb or a Grand Final or whatever. 433 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: But the thing with Sam and the Roosters is we 434 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: just spoke about beating Penrith. There's this beautiful moment in 435 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 3: their game where it's chaos and structure. There's certain times 436 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: that they need to do the high percentage play and 437 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: then there's certain times that Sam Tedesco dom Young Marnho 438 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: need to take control. And if they can find that balance, 439 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: then I think that's where it sits, because they have 440 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: the firepower to beat both teams, but their record says 441 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: they can't, So I think it's time for them to 442 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 3: do it. 443 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: Jeez, tell you what, isn't it funny this time of 444 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: the year. So you've got so the Dragon's sitting at 445 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: eight spot. They are two points clear, right. 446 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: No one wants to grab that eight spot. No one 447 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: like if it was there for someone Like the Dolphins 448 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: were there a couple of weeks back. The Broncos were 449 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: probably there around the origin time. They've fallen our way. 450 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: The Dragons have sort of been consistent. They're in pole position. 451 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 3: They got the Eels and the Raiders. The next two 452 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: weeks they win that they're in and that's a hell 453 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: of a result for the Dragons and Chane Flanagan. 454 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: They points differentials. That's really bad. 455 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: And your old mob, the Knights, they actually have an 456 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 3: okay run. They've got the Titans and the Dolphins, and 457 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: they're going to need a few things to go their way. 458 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: The Dolphins and the Broncos play this weekend and the 459 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 3: loser gone, Yeah, loser gone. It'll be sold out at Suncourt, 460 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: Wayne versus the Bronx. 461 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: Make this you can't make this, you. 462 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: Can't and and the loser stays on, the loser goes home. 463 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 3: The winner has a chance. But then if the Broncos 464 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: win that, they play the Melbourne next week, who arrested 465 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: their players this weekend. So I think everyone's still in contention. 466 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: It's strange enough, but Pulse position to the Dragons. 467 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: It's up to them. Dolphins, they must be kicking themselves. 468 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: They should be there, They've done it. They should they 469 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: should be there ten years. 470 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: In a row. They've done exactly the same thing in Trench, 471 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 3: in the top four for the majority of the season, 472 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: and they get through the after halfway and start losing 473 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: more games than they win. There's a number of games there, 474 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: like the Penrith one in Golden Point that you get 475 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: to jag a couple of those. They are a shorter finals, 476 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: but you only got yourself to blat this time. 477 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: Yet, who makes it? 478 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: I think the Dragons Dragon, I think to a couple 479 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: of big games at the end of that, I will 480 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: say this, and the Dolphins, who knows you it could 481 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: be one of those. 482 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this. The Dragons should get there, 483 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: but then the Dolphins and the Broncos. They must win 484 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: this weekend and win again. I'll tell you what with 485 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: the Knights playing the Titans and the Dolphins on the 486 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 3: run home. If if everyone's falling over in the last 487 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: four weeks, it might be the Stephen Bradburys just slides straight. 488 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: Well, Kevy came out, didn't and said we will be there. Yeah, 489 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: it's a bit of that Coach West brings stuff on, 490 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: sort of sensing that they. 491 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 3: Should not be in the position at our full stop. 492 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: They should not. They should not even be fighting for it. 493 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: They should be locked in the top four bulldogs. 494 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: We're going to move on. I just want to talk 495 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: at them for a second. Do you think they can yes? 496 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: I do. Do you think they can win the camp? Yep? 497 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: I do? I do. 498 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: I really like their style of football, and I like 499 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: their style of football against big sides, against big packs 500 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: of forwards. It's styles make fights, and that's the thing 501 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: about it is that they are playing a unique style 502 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: of football which is just so different to anybody else, 503 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: any of those top sides. It's football intelligence, that's highly 504 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: skilled fundamentals. There are so many similarities between the way 505 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: they're playing and the way the Tigers did in two 506 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: thousand and five. Now, I'm not going to say that 507 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: they're going to come out of and do with the Tigers, 508 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: not suggesting that, but it's the style of football. It's 509 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: that high skill based game and it's a and like 510 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: the Tigers, it's it's a style of football that is 511 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: unique to themselves. They have found their football. Yeah, a 512 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: big advantage. 513 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I thought the Warriors might get them 514 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: over there with Sean Johnson and it's one stays there. 515 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: It looked like it was going to happen, but they 516 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: wrestled control back, they didn't get rattled, and they delivered 517 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: a knockout blow at different stages. Off the top of 518 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: my head, finals experience kick out Crichton at Oka, Burton, Burton, Burton, 519 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: Mary Yeah, Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, bits and pieces. 520 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: I think for a club that hasn't played finals for 521 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 3: a long time, lacks rather than Crichton like genuine like 522 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 3: leadership in finals times. I think they play Week one 523 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 3: at a core sixty seventy thousand people, probably against the 524 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 3: Dragons like that is a huge moment for our game. 525 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 3: If that's what happens. Can they handle that? Can they 526 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: handle it? For a month together? They could probably get 527 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: to a prelim. 528 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: So many questions, very little answer. We'll get there. We'll 529 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: get there, right I Coops, good on your man.