WEBVTT - The best music of 2025

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven Ams.

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<v Speaker 2>Look.

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<v Speaker 1>I love making this show. Interviewing fascinating people for a

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<v Speaker 1>living never gets old. But it's also been a very

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<v Speaker 1>heavy year for many of us. And when you work

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<v Speaker 1>in the news, there's no shining away from that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just part of the job. So for me, music is

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<v Speaker 1>a respite, something that helps me process to heaveness and

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<v Speaker 1>something that brings escape and relief. Claire Collins is head

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<v Speaker 1>of music at south By Southwest. We asked her to

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<v Speaker 1>pick her five favorite albums of the year, and from

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<v Speaker 1>her list, it's clear that music does the same for her.

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<v Speaker 1>There are songs about heartache, grief and loss, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>also a fair whacker draw in there as well. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Claire Collins with their top five albums of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, December twenty four, so Claire, let's kick things off.

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<v Speaker 1>What's first on your list?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I've chosen an album by an American indie rock artist,

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<v Speaker 3>but Alex g and his latest album hit Flights. This

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<v Speaker 3>is easily my most played album of the year. It's

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<v Speaker 3>one for all the dad rock fans out there. It's

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<v Speaker 3>got lots of warm guitars. There's a beautiful emotional undercurrent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a bit scruffy, and it's great songwriting. Villain Jack

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<v Speaker 3>like Afterlife as the lead single from the album, and

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<v Speaker 3>it just has this beautiful nostalgia. There's great mandolins. The

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<v Speaker 3>melody is a real eworm. Who really stands out.

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<v Speaker 1>You described this as dad rock, but Alex g was

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<v Speaker 1>born in the nineties. Is that where we're at right.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, sadly, Daniel, Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>He actually just have a child himself, so that's one

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<v Speaker 3>to age us all.

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<v Speaker 1>And for someone who was in his early thirties, he's

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<v Speaker 1>recorded a lot of albums. I counted ten studio albums.

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<v Speaker 1>The Beatles only recorded twelve. Talk to me about his

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<v Speaker 1>history as an Indian musician before he signed to a

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<v Speaker 1>major label for his last record.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so Alex has been releasing albums for about fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>years now.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a real demi artist.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, very prolific and a lot of his early albums

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<v Speaker 3>were just made in his bedroom. He started attracting critical

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<v Speaker 3>acclaim around twenty nineteen with an album Portouse of Sugar,

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<v Speaker 3>but he had a real breakout with his last album, God.

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<v Speaker 4>Safety animals in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>He's also written a lot for movies and the soundtracks,

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<v Speaker 3>and he even contributed guitar for Frank Oceanslong, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a fun faction I only found out about recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think signing to a major has changed his approach?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this album sounds a lot more expensive as you

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<v Speaker 3>would expect.

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<v Speaker 4>It's yeah, it's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a high fidelity in the recordings, and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>more polished overall.

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<v Speaker 4>But really the DNA and ME sum writing is still there.

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<v Speaker 1>That song so freely I felt my gravity. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>compared to Elliott Smith, who is an influence of his.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say that that's a fair comparison. What else

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<v Speaker 1>would you put in his wheelhouse?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think they both share like a wistfulness and

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<v Speaker 3>a melancholy and the lyrics and the vocal delivery. I'd

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<v Speaker 3>also include him in a company of Wilco Irim, Modest Mouse,

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<v Speaker 3>all those indie classics and some more contemporary roughens.

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<v Speaker 4>He does not be Phoebe Bridges. We aren't drugs. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's a really great company he's in there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good gear. All of that is very good gear. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's move on to your second pick.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. The second p is kind of a more recent release.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Billy Allen's West End Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the talk of the town.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it not launched? A million? Means? Daniel, don't come home.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want you in my bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to the apartment in the West Village instead, pop

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<v Speaker 2>draw for your Close Your Mountain Medication.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm already on my way heading to the station.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a full on revenge album and in fairly gruesome detail,

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<v Speaker 3>it outlines the breakdown of her marriage to Stranger Things

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<v Speaker 3>actor David Harbour and his alleged affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me about your favorite song from the album,

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<v Speaker 1>Pussy Palace? Why do you love it?

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<v Speaker 3>The imagery on this song is so vivid and it

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<v Speaker 3>just really contrasts with this very ethereal, very cooky production,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just so sad.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh doja dolchaja.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just love the idea of half the city

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<v Speaker 3>walking around tying a song called Pussy Palace as well

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<v Speaker 3>really gives me a joy.

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<v Speaker 1>This song is about her husband's infidelities, with lines like

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of trojans, You're so fucking broken. She sings, am

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<v Speaker 1>I looking at a sex addict, but she does it

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<v Speaker 1>all in such a light way. If you weren't listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the words, you probably wouldn't register the rage that's

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<v Speaker 1>under the surface here. How brutal is the album I was.

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<v Speaker 3>A bit of ten on the brutality scale. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>lyrics are impossible to ignore. She's actually had a really

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful voice, and that just adds.

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<v Speaker 4>To the impact.

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<v Speaker 3>She doesn't leave anything off the table lyrically, and we

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<v Speaker 3>really get a sense of the narrative arc of what

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<v Speaker 3>is unfolded as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Lily's been leaving in the public eye for such a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. She was only twenty one when her breakout

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<v Speaker 1>His Smile came out, and yet she still wears her

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<v Speaker 1>heart on her sleeve, writing very openly about her own

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<v Speaker 1>pain and humiliation. Is that what you think people love

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<v Speaker 1>Lilian so much?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean she has said this really refreshing honesty. But

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<v Speaker 3>she's also very funny, and I think you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't have one without the other.

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<v Speaker 4>So she's always been a great writer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really glad she's getting another go at it in

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<v Speaker 3>her forty years.

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<v Speaker 4>Though he forward made me feel a bit awkward made

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<v Speaker 4>me feel a bit awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, Cuplistead, I was struck listening to this about

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<v Speaker 1>what a big year it's been for divorce in popular culture.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Missy Higgins was inducted into the area all

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<v Speaker 1>of fame after herself writing about divorce.

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<v Speaker 5>Being a forty two year old woman and singing about

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<v Speaker 5>divorce and single parenting isn't like the sexiest thing you

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<v Speaker 5>can do in this industry.

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<v Speaker 4>But the response to.

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<v Speaker 5>This album has been so incredible that it's made me

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<v Speaker 5>realize that women my age don't give a fuck about

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<v Speaker 5>We just want to feel heard, we want to feel seen.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think divorce is resonating as a

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<v Speaker 1>theme at the moment?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually going to talk about another divorce album a

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<v Speaker 3>bit later.

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<v Speaker 4>But look, it's just such a common experience and there's

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<v Speaker 4>a natural in build audience there that's not a small one.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing that interests me is that each artist

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<v Speaker 3>has gotten what they need to out of the making

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<v Speaker 3>of the album, and the audiences are getting something out

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<v Speaker 3>of it in the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Chloes.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up another British icon? Now I love this. Next

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<v Speaker 1>pick of yours clear tell us about Essex Honey by

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<v Speaker 1>Blood Orange.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so Blood Orange is the mon A cur of

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<v Speaker 3>UK artist Steve Hines. He's been around for a little

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<v Speaker 3>while as well. And you wrote this album while brieving

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<v Speaker 3>the loss of his mom and you can really hear

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<v Speaker 3>that tenderness in every part of the album and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a really moving record.

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<v Speaker 1>He's collaborators on this album makes for a pretty impressive list.

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<v Speaker 1>What can you tell me about him?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, I've bought in some quite high profile names

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<v Speaker 3>actually that you might be familiar with, Caroline Policheck Lord

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<v Speaker 3>and even the writers Ady Smith.

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<v Speaker 4>But these names kind of compliment his writing.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really steal the show, which I think is

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<v Speaker 3>really classy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a classy album because it's a real strong

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<v Speaker 1>sense of place with this record. I mean, how do

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<v Speaker 1>we hear dev connect to Essex in both a physical

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<v Speaker 1>and emotional way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's something that he tends to do on each album.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a different sense of place and album and

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<v Speaker 3>this is fine. He obviously takes us back to his

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<v Speaker 3>hometown of Essex. I don't know, I think of it

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<v Speaker 3>like the memory Palace. You can hear references to specific

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<v Speaker 3>streets and childhood moments and sounds he.

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<v Speaker 4>Grew up with, and you really get a sense of.

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<v Speaker 3>Him returning home to grieve, even if it's not completely over.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a real softness to the production.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the tapes and strings and it's kind of slightly hazy,

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<v Speaker 3>but then there's this sense of distance as well, and

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<v Speaker 3>that comes out lyrically like it's kind of like he's

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<v Speaker 3>observing himself, and I don't know, just thinks there's something

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<v Speaker 3>a really interesting listening experience, which I recommend in headphones.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, what's the moment or track that has

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<v Speaker 1>stayed with you most on this album?

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<v Speaker 3>The track that really got me into this album was

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<v Speaker 3>one called Mine Loaded, and that's the one that features

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<v Speaker 3>Poula Check and Lord as well as.

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<v Speaker 4>I was sort of staffer.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Elliott s fifth Lord actually interpolates an Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>Smith's line into the album, and it moves around a

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<v Speaker 2>lot that I just find whole, every single part so compelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's something you can listen to from beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>end quite easily. What's your fourth pick?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, coming back home, We've got Nina Giacci's out

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<v Speaker 3>of my computer.

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<v Speaker 4>Nina's had an absolutely massive year.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just won the JA Award for Australian Album of

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<v Speaker 3>the Years, she won three Arias and just having a

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<v Speaker 3>real breakthrough a moment. She grew up on the Central

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<v Speaker 3>Coast and has been making music as a teenager, but

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<v Speaker 3>has really been grinding away for the past ten years leading.

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<v Speaker 4>Up to this dabul album.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a huge amount of goodwill for her in the

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<v Speaker 3>electronic community, and yeah, I'm really glad she's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>having this favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Full disclosure, I have to admit I'd never heard of

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<v Speaker 1>her until you sent me this list. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge album. It's high energy and very reminiscent of

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<v Speaker 1>the early naughts. But Nina is only in her twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>What are her influences on this album.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a very Internet album, and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>just reflects her experience growing up as.

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<v Speaker 4>An Internet native.

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<v Speaker 3>She pulls really heavily from like late two thousands, early

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<v Speaker 3>twenty tens, you know, my Space era pop in his

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<v Speaker 3>of early Scrillex and the Presepts even in it, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's like she's experienced it through the Internet and not

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<v Speaker 3>in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I noticed that even though there's a very

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<v Speaker 1>sort of glitchy computer music to the album. With the

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<v Speaker 1>album even I Love My Computer, there's also an organic

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<v Speaker 1>element to her sound as well. How does she achieve that?

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<v Speaker 3>She's a real expert at using found sound so recording

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<v Speaker 3>sounds around her, whether it's like the click of a

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<v Speaker 3>laptop or a mouse. She did this really cool TikTok

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<v Speaker 3>video where she showed how she builds rhythms out of

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<v Speaker 3>everyday noises, including birds of water, dripping, blaring sounds from

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<v Speaker 3>the outside world.

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<v Speaker 5>Makes my drums less predictable and it helps me to

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<v Speaker 5>gloom my arrangements together, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives those songs a bit of a softness against

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of intensity of the production.

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<v Speaker 1>She absolutely cleaned up at the Arias this year. She's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously hugely respected, as you said, and celebrated in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Has she broken through overseas yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, it's early days, but she's picked up US management

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<v Speaker 3>and she's definitely on the radar.

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<v Speaker 4>She's got lots of taste anchors following her.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure she's gonna have a very busy touring schedule next.

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<v Speaker 4>Year overseas, so yeah, come to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up best friends making music together. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>finish strong. What's your final pick?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I've got to give an honorable mention to Flume

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<v Speaker 3>and Emma Looise. Full disclosure, I've worked on this album

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<v Speaker 3>and I've just been obsessed with it all year. It's

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<v Speaker 3>actually another divorce album, but really not as overt as Lily's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a beautiful collaboration, very introspective. It has Flumes

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<v Speaker 3>kind of trademark glitchy production, it's very emotional, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I just think it's one of these is quiet gems

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<v Speaker 3>really beautiful, has this beautiful and jelling voice, and she's

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about the breakdown of her marriage, and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>very restrained and gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is not the first time that these

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<v Speaker 1>two have collaborated. What do you think it is about

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<v Speaker 1>each of them that compliments the other one?

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<v Speaker 3>So? Well, Look, they're just as friends and I think

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<v Speaker 3>they just have a very nice, easy relationship and they're

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<v Speaker 3>very comfortable with each other, and they're both introverts, so

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're the happiest when they're just making stuff

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<v Speaker 3>in a room by themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Clare, you've given us plenty to go on with

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for outlining those albums and recommending

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<v Speaker 1>them to us.

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<v Speaker 4>OH A pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you enjoy listening and Merry Christmas.