WEBVTT - Outsiders | 15 June 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.840 Good morning, and welcome to a special edition Aboutsiders, as 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.400 the US military celebrates two hundred and fifty years of service. 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.079 That parade happening right now in Washington, DC, as No 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.440 King protests against Donald Trump take place across the United States. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.599 I'm Rita Panahee, joined as always on Outsiders by James 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.880 Morrow and Caroline Marcus filling in today for Rowan Dean. 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.720 We've got a massive show ahead. We'll be staying across 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.640 those protests in the US as well as the unfolding 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.919 situation in the Middle East. But now it's time for 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:48.199 Outsiders News. Oh gang, We've got to start. In the 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.839 Middle East, people are saying World War III is upon us. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.720 I think that's a bit of hyperbole, James. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.280 I think it's a lot of hyperbole. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.480 But we have seen in the last forty eighth seventy 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.160 two hours, of course, this real conflict kickoff now between 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.480 Iran and Israel. Just the background to those, of course, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.360 is that Israel says, and in fact, actually the International 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.800 Topic Energy Agency said the same thing too, that Iran 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.400 was really close to breaking out on its comic energy ambitions. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.760 Israel struck first, they struck hard. They decapitated the Iranian 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.759 Revolutionary Guard core, which is massive. Now Iran has been 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.040 trying to hit back in the last few hours. Now 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.080 they've attempted to send more missiles in towards Israel. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:33.279 They've caused some damage. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.840 They've also targeted, I'm told, a plant in Haifa that 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.560 refines jet fuel for Israel. Now, if they've done that, 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.920 then this means that they are trying to take this 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.520 conflict to a whole new level. I think the push 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.120 now on Israel is simply they want to create regime 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.960 change in Iran. They want to get to the point 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.320 now where the Mullahs are forced to flee the country 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.120 to Russia or someplace else or surrender because they see 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.560 Iran now as an existential threat. And the other thing too, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:06.080 Here is fascinating the diplomacy between Donald Trump Benjamin Now 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.280 who ended this whole conflict because of course they kind 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.960 of faked out the Iranians who thought, oh, Israel's not 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.600 going to attack. Donald Trump doesn't want them to attack. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.160 Well they did, and here we are. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.840 It is going to be a fascinating situation. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:22.160 Caroline. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:28.400 Is this a project to essentially end Iran's nuclear ambitions 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.079 or is the goal really greater than that. Is this 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.680 about regime change in Iran. I think it's both. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.200 I mean, clearly, it's about stopping the immediate threash of 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.440 a nuclear attack, because, as Benjamin Nattanya who has pointed out, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:51.520 Iran has enriched enough uranium for nine atomic bombs, and 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.560 it was just a couple of steps away, possibly months 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:59.520 away from being able to have nuclear weapons. That is 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.440 a thread not just to Israel, which is obviously on 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.480 the front line here, but the rest of the world, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.799 and obviously in that will be a regime change, which 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.040 we should point out is being celebrated by the people. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.919 Of Iran, who do not on the whole like this, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.880 like that leaders. This is a scene. This is being 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:22.000 celebrated there. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.000 People are happy, they're having parties and dancing. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.400 But there's a real danger here, Caroline, because if the 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.679 Israelis are overplay their hand, you could say, and we 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.360 see those civilian casualties increase, I think you'll see the 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.600 Iranian people, even the ones who are very anti regime, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.680 change their point of view. They don't want to see 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.480 their own people slaughtered. So it is a really fine 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.920 balancing act act for Israel. But it's also fine balancing 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.800 act for Donald Trump. He's always been about strength, peace 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:03.280 through strength, and he's also knows that his voters don't 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.320 want to have another big conflict that America is at 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.520 the heart of. So how does he balance the America 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:14.400 first approach with getting rid of Iran's nuclear ambitions and 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.080 perhaps the regime because it is a danger to the US, 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:18.200 not just to Israel. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:19.200 Yeah, well, it's really interesting. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.760 A few hours ago a quote dropped in The Atlantic 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.080 magazine where President Donald Trump, and by the way, isn't 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.000 it great now to have a president who can just 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.400 pick up the phone and talk to journalists and talk 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.560 to reporters and tell them what's going on and what 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.920 he's thinking of He told the Atlantic he said, basically, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.919 you know, he respects everybody who wants to see peace, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.240 but he said, also, peace does not exist. You can't 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.720 have peace if Iran has an atomic bomb. And I 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.679 think that's exactly right. You will note, by the way, also, 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.120 and everything you say read is correct, but also you 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:54.080 would note that there's been absolutely no opposition to Israel's 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.800 actions across the wider Sunni Middle East, right, So, I mean, you. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.600 Know, there is plenty though around the world. You got Franz. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.840 Still, well, you've got but France. But France is not 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.200 fully suity yet. Okay, so let's let's just keep that 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.040 in mind. But you know, traditionally, oh, the Arabs tree 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.160 would have been furious about Israel. They would have been 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.440 death to the you know, death to Israel for attacking 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.520 the Muslim world. No, they have the backs of Israel 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.760 and Saudi is everybody else is very close to normalization. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.119 Nobody in the area wants to see a nuclear Iran. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.000 It is not just the Israelis. So that's point one. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.080 Point number two here Donald Trump, as you say, you know, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.320 especially the jen z Maga contingent, they really do not 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.680 want to see any foreign wars. And I think he 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.839 gets this. He wants to end this sooner rather than later. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.719 But you know, on the third thing, this whole regime 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.600 change issue, well remember this goes back to the Obama administration. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.800 You remember when they were all of the protests and 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:55.599 massive you know, civil unrest and Iran and Obama for 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.800 all of us talk about, you know, loving democracy and 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.840 loving the people and all of this sort of thing. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.719 He basically said, their Radians go for your life. Because 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.760 of course Bed Rhoads and helped him architect that original 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.400 nuclear plan, which is what we're now seeing the end 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.080 game of playing out. So a lot of this goes 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.000 back to Barack Obama and his fecklessness in running the 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.280 Middle East. As to what comes next, well, you know, look, 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:19.800 I don't know about you a Personally, I'd love to 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.120 see the Shah come back. But you know, let's also 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.840 remember that the reason why we have this regime here 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.400 is that after the Shah was deposed in nineteen seventy nine, 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.920 all these Western liberals thought, oh, it's going to be 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.520 wonderful to have this new liberal regime, and then the 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.560 Mallers came in and took over. After the liberal regime 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.680 was there for about thirty five seconds. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.040 We've had more than forty years now of the Muller's 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.360 these limits ruling Iran. And as you said, Caroline, there's 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.440 a lot of Iranian people who would love to see 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:51.280 Iran return to its former glory, being relatively modern, secular, 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.720 successful nation. I think we're still a long way from that. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.960 But let's here from Benjamin Nettanyahu. Here he's talking about 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.960 but appealing to the US, telling them essentially, our enemy 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:04.719 is your enemy. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:11.280 They've tried to assassinate President Trump twice. They have bombed 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.440 American embassies. They killed two hundred and forty one Marines 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.000 in Beirut, they killed and injured thousands of Americans where 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.680 their ied is in Iraq and Afghanistan. They burn the 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:28.120 American flag, they chant endlessly death to America. Our enemy 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.240 is your enemy. And by doing what we're doing, we're 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.840 dealing with something that will threaten all of us. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.760 And then on the other hand, we have the Democrats 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:44.680 ratherless leaderless, increasingly led by the most radical elements within 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:49.040 the party, Bernie Sanders AOC and Tim Walls, the man 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.160 was going to be vice president, Well, he's got an 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:56.200 idea of who could possibly mediate a piece still. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.480 Now, who is the voice in the world that can 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.720 negotiate some type of agreement in this Who holds the 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.280 moral authority, who holds the ability to do that? Because 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.480 we are not seen as a neutral actor, and we 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.520 maybe never were. I don't want to tell anybody that. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.559 I think there's a lot of people say you always 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.560 leaned one way in this, but I think there was 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.520 at least an attempt to be somewhat of the arbitrator 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.920 in this. We saw President Carter do it with Began 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.440 and Saadat. We've had certain wins along the way that 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.880 we're actually mutually beneficial both ways. Now I ask who 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.079 that is, and I mean consistently, over and over again, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.959 we're going to have to face the reality it might 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.040 be the Chinese. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:44.200 Excuse what moral authority the China giants take me through this? 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.600 Well, I mean, there's so much wrong in what Tim 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.000 Woltz just said there. I mean, first of all, for 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.200 him to mention Carter. Carter's the gy who the Iranian 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.680 revolution fell. It was the one to let the Shaw 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.160 fall and missed all the intelligence and everything else. That 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.400 was a disaster, So we lost that. But the Chinese 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.679 being the neutral actors here, I mean China, Oh, China, 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:14.120 the selfless, selfless global humanitarian Jijin Pi, He's going to 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.400 be the one to sort out this conflict. Look, let 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.800 me tell you something here. This basically, this plan that 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.760 Tim wolts had, this is entirely predictable because guess what 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.280 when he was running for vice president during that hilarious 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.600 you know, eighty seven days or whatever he was doing that, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.880 remember when it came out, all of the stuff that 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.880 came out about Tim Waltz and China, how much time 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.480 he'd spent in China, the number of trips he'd been 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.280 there as an English teacher, his sympathies to the Chinese government. Well, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.880 you know what, we're seeing that right now. We are 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.240 so lucky that the Harris Waltz team didn't come in 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:51.199 because they would be abdicating their authority right now to Beijing, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.760 rather than asserting American authority, which I think is what 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.800 Donald Trump is trying to do here. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.920 It's absolutely delusional, Like China is part of this action 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.400 of evil. Basically, it is anti America. It tries to 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.920 sow as much discord as it can in American We're 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.760 expecting it to be able to make peace in the 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.400 Middle East when it's in Chinese interest to have as 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:14.760 much division as possible. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.760 And we see and we see like over and over 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.040 in bon and geopolitics, when we talk about we talk 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.760 about the bricks countries. What are three of those countries? Russia, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.760 Iran and China. Like these three countries are tied up 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.959 completely in an anti Western alliance. The idea that you 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.000 would even bring China to the table on that is insane, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:31.920 It is nuts. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:32.720 It is bonkers. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.040 Tim Waltz is, I'm sorry to say he is just 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.719 so stupid. I mean, it's just the ignorance and that 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.800 he would go out and say that and not be 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.319 laughed at by whoever was. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.280 Interviewing him there. I mean, whoever is interviewing them. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.360 If they didn't in the next second pull him up, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.200 they should quit their jobs too. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.200 They should. This is a man who wanted to be 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:57.440 vice president, who has ambitions to be President Caroline, and 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:02.000 really is best known for putting tampon in boys restrooms 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:07.360 across his state. That's earning the Nicknact team, and really 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.000 maybe that's the area he should stick to instead of geopolitics, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.160 because this is embarrassing work. Meanwhile, let's hear from Defense 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.840 Secretary Pitt Hegxeth saying that Donald Trump was very much 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.040 informed of what it was about to happen. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.200 Where can people be can be assured that President Trump 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.199 is dialed in. This is not an auto pen moment. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.240 You know, we had that where the world saw our 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.600 gaze distracted or not paying attention at all. President Trump's 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.240 dialed in. I get to see it every single day. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.720 He knows every single dynamic of what's going on here, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.840 and I'll tell you what he's doing, Rachel. He's put 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.319 in America first, and you understand, hey, how many factors 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.319 there are, how many dynamics there are in the world. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.199 But his his directive to me and to the Chairman 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.240 of Joint Chiefs and throughout our forces, hey, make sure 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.240 you are robustly postured and prepared, and we are. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.120 Well. It's very different to this time last year with 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.120 Joe Biden. This was happening under Joe Biden. We wouldn't 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.760 even know who's pulling the strings, who's making the calls. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:11.679 What a what a great changing government really and at 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.080 a very critical juncture in what's happening in the middle eighties. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.079 And I mean any sort of sense that people have 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:19.880 and I know this is a line that's going around 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.560 here that oh, you know, the White House was kept 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.600 out of the loop, that is relacted independently here. You 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.320 know that is completely untrue. There's been so much contact 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.199 between both governments here, and in essence, it was almost 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.880 sort of a headfake on the on the Iranian government, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.600 on the Mullows to say, well, you know, the US 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.960 is going to hold Israel back, so you know, don't 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.000 you have to worry about that, but you have to 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.480 come to the table. And then they didn't come to 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.160 the table. Remember, sixty two days before the strikes, Donald 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.280 Trump put very clear message out there, you've got two months, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.440 You've got sixty days to come back to the table 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:53.440 on a nuclear deal. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:54.680 Iran went the other way. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.480 They tried to break out their nuclear program, and on 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.959 day sixty two, you know what they found out. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.640 They found out they were missing around and they found out. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.840 But this way, America goes to keep its hands sort 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.640 of clean and say we weren't involved in this directly. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.360 Obviously, this is the Israelis during the strikes. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.480 However, if you hit a single one of our US 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.840 military targets or people, we will come after you. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.320 And that's the thing I mean, it would be you know, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.680 there are some people, including someone the right, who are like, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.240 oh no, this is going to be a disaster. It's 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.400 gonna be this whole huge middies war because Iran is 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.640 going to start, you know, hitting American troops at American bases. Well, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.000 you know, that would be if you want to talk 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.679 about regime change and you want to talk with the 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.000 end of the Iranian regime, that would be the surest 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.439 way to guarantee that. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.920 I don't even think the mad Mullers are that mad. 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.319 I don't think they're going to be hitting American targets. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:52.080 Knowing Donald Trump is the president, you just would not 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:52.960 take that chance. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.160 You remember when you remember when Trump, you know, took 0:13:55.160 --> 0:14:00.320 out Solemoni after there were attacks on American was going 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.719 to start the constructed. But again, you know, there was 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.480 a very quick action reaction consequence, you know, and that 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.679 pattern has been set up whenever Trump's at the White House. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:15.640 But the israelis that the planning that went is astonishing. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.560 We're talking about the years of planning, Mossad agents in 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.760 Iran setting everything into motion, just all the different parts. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.760 I've been reading so much about this in the last 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.880 twenty four hours, Caroline. It's like the fascinating. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:35.440 The pager attack hes blah, they your attack on steps, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.040 I mean on steroids. I mean they had, as you say, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:45.120 moss Side agents in Tehran reportedly, Oh yes, that's why 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:50.520 they really raining footage of them setting up these drones 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.200 and uh, these missile attacks to hit the targets. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.040 I mean the attacks have. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.800 Been so far there have been some children killed, sadly 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.920 round but they have been very precise, like laser focus, 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.160 to the point where sometimes it's an entire building, it's 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.440 just one unit in that building that contains someone from 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.520 the revolutionary gods, someone high up. Compare that to the 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.120 attacks in Israel. I mean they are indiscriminate. I mean, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.560 we've heard of one target that they may have hit, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.760 but other than that, it's residential areas, highly populated. For 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.960 people have already been killed, many wounded. So it is 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.640 a very different type of tit for tat. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.480 Now let's move on to the protests in the US. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.640 They started off in la and they have spread to 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.760 other parts of the country, and James have got this 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.600 No King's protest coming up. I mean, really, it might 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.360 be a sign that you don't live in a dictatorship 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.840 when you can have these protests where you're free to 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.240 say whatever you like about the commander in chief. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.120 These No Kings, it's called No Kings is the name 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.160 of the protest protests. But of course now we're seeing, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.160 you know, there's this whole usual laundry list of suspect 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.760 sort of groups that are out there. They back every 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.440 month sort of. We see some protests there in Washington, 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.720 d c you know. But for the most part, I've 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.680 been looking at a lot of footage from around the country. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.720 Most of them are pretty pathetic. They are pretty to 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.040 be frank geriatric. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.960 They are very piatric. They don't have the youth. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.280 But you know, beyond that though, like, this is the 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.840 activist left, and this is the activist left that is 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:33.760 suddenly deciding that they're great American patriots who believe in 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.280 the American system. I mean, the activists left are the 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.000 people who get the vapors every time they see a 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.200 flag on the Fourth of July. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.360 They like, oh, that's so tacky, that's nationalism. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.320 This is the same American left that spent you know, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.800 years trying to tear down every statue of somebody, you 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.280 know who they didn't like from American history and tried 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.760 to do the whole year zero thing. This is the 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.640 same activist left that treats the Founding Fathers as nothing 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.440 more than white slave owners who need to be humanized 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.240 and exponded from history. This is the same activist left 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.240 that tried to push through all the schools the sixteen 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.520 nineteen project, which said that the founding idea of America 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.400 was not seventeen seventy six and liberty. It was sixteen 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.879 nineteen and slavery, and that that was the real history 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.040 of the United States. The activist left that is behind 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.400 these protests has a great distaste and dislike for freedom 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.200 and the American system. It is not it is not 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:31.359 Rita and Caroline that they are against Kings. It is 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.960 there against Donald Trump. They do not think Donald Trump, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.520 you can say he's an authoritarian, except an authoritarian who 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.800 keeps winding up having to abide by judge's decisions, even 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.720 though a lot of these judges' decisions are completely ridiculous. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.080 These no Kings people, though, they I think if you 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.119 gave them the power, they would be the real authoritarians. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.160 Because left wing revolutions are never about, oh, we want 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.520 freedom from an authoritarian. The people who organize left wing 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.639 protest movements always want to be the authoritarians themselves because 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.560 they think they know best how to run the world. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.240 Everything you just said reminds me of the same leftist 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.920 self loath as we have in this country. You think 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.879 we're just all our values and history is something to 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.400 be ashamed of completely. Let's cross now to Jerusalem. We're 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.160 former Labor senator over Paris and Chris roller Baker from 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.160 New South Wales Education are stranded and are hiding at 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.840 a bomb shelter. They both join us now, nov I'll 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:38.879 start with you. Tell us why you're in Israel and 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.280 what's happening right there on the ground. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.760 Yeah, thank you. We actually have been here for almost 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.199 nine or ten days. I actually came out as I 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.960 was a recipient have won of four global recipients from 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.359 technico On University that had achieved an award for finding 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.840 any Semitism. You know, I do the things that I do. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.360 I've always thought against all forms of racism, but I've 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.480 done a lot to try and you know, do my 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.000 best as someone who has a profile in Australia to 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:18.360 to support the Jewish community and bring down the outrageous, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.560 incredible due hatred but we have here in Australia. 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.119 No, but thank you for all you do as a 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:26.480 member of that community. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:27.760 It's Caroline here. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.840 I just wanted to ask what is happening right now 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.320 where you are. You're obviously in a bomb shelter. What 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.000 do you know about this latest attack? 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.480 Well, actually I might hand this over to Chris. Chris 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.720 is here, he's one of seven first Nations people that 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.960 are here on a delegation. He's been here with me 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.240 for the past seven days. And actually that's a bomb 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:56.080 alert that's going off now. We get these alerts quite 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.600 often when we have to seek shelter in the bomb shelter. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.639 But Chris might want to just talk about your time here. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.520 It's your first time here to Israel. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.679 Yeah, it's my first time to Israel, and I was 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.760 invited to come over with Nova really to see both 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.840 sides of the conflict. As it turns out, everything's erupted 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.920 a course with Iran. What's happening outside at the moment 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.320 you might be able to hear alarms going off, is 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:25.160 that they're warning systems and so that tells the local 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:30.160 population and us the CV of course, that there are 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.280 incoming missiles. Earlier this evening, I saw a series of 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:39.080 missiles from my balcony. It was in the distance, so 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.400 it wasn't affecting this area and the alarms weren't going off. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.320 But it's real and it's happening in Iran. 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.080 Is they're bombing civilian areas. 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.840 We can actually hear deep grumblings outside now from the 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.679 bomb shelter that we're in, so We don't know exactly 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.720 what's happening outside, but there are certainly missiles being sent 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.480 through and hopefully they're being taken down by the defense systems. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.720 Nova and Chris and ask you both this question. Me 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.320 will start with you, Nova, But when you are out 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.000 of the bombshelters, because obviously you know there's plenty of 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.280 times when the area is not under attack, what is 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.520 the mood of the people on the ground. Are the 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.720 people you speak to feeling resilient? Are they supportive of 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.560 keeping the conflict going? Do they understand, you know, the 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:33.479 why the government's rationalities for pursuing these this campaign against Iran. 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.080 Tell us what you're hearing and seeing and really feeling. 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:37.040 What's the vival the place? 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.879 Nova, Well, it's it's interesting. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.920 Like I said, it's my second time now to Israel, 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.040 and you know, the Jewish people they just want peace. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.000 You know, this is their homeland. You know, there's me 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.040 as a First Nations woman. You know, we how we 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.200 know our connection to land is through archaeological evidence. And 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.720 you know there's undisputable evidence of the Jews connection to 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.560 the land of Israel that dates back four thousand years. 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.880