Speaker 1: We call mums superwomen and superheroes, but then we don't
Speaker 1: actually give them the infrastructure to do parenting well and
Speaker 1: in a way that makes them feel healthier and looked after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just another example of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right, and it goes to show just how
Speaker 3: much women's work gets undervalued. Caring for people, keeping them alive.
Speaker 3: We treat it as calling something women do out of love, oh, which.
Speaker 2: I see all the time.
Speaker 3: This podcast was recorded on the lands of the boon
Speaker 3: Warong people of the Kulin nation, the land on which
Speaker 3: we're lucky enough to raise our sons and daughters, always
Speaker 3: was and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Ready or Not, the show where
Speaker 1: two mums try to figure out how to make work work.
Speaker 2: I'm low, I'm li and coming.
Speaker 1: Up on today's show, I'm intrigued by this segment pay
Speaker 1: me like a cop, The maths of who we actually
Speaker 1: value was you're bringing that to me and then me
Speaker 1: to you. Unpacking a very unofficial state of working motherhood
Speaker 1: report was I took to Instagram to find out, however,
Speaker 1: sort of fearing feeling about motherhood and work at the
Speaker 1: moment it's mid year, I thought it was a good
Speaker 1: time to reassess see where the people are at. I
Speaker 1: feel like we also get a lot of dms where
Speaker 1: people like how do other moms feel about X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z might help answer some questions for the people.
Speaker 2: But first, what's going on? Ah Man?
Speaker 3: I have just done three weeks of solo parenting and
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 2: Cook clat for her forgetting home. I am so exhausted.
Speaker 3: I feel like the first week was actually fine because
Speaker 3: I could just run my own show. The second week
Speaker 3: was okay, but I could definitely tell the kids were
Speaker 3: starting to get just a bit more rebellious.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I wouldn't have even thought of the kids. I
Speaker 1: was just to give you the whole no.
Speaker 3: And then by week three, I feel like everyone is
Speaker 3: just over it.
Speaker 2: I've had.
Speaker 3: My patience is so thin. I was actually, I mean,
Speaker 3: as much as I laugh about this, I was speaking
Speaker 3: to a girlfriend in tears the other day because I
Speaker 3: feel like I can't be the mum that I want
Speaker 3: to be because my patience is stretched so thin with
Speaker 3: like the constant asks, constant questions, and constant I don't
Speaker 3: want to do that, I want to eat that's yuck.
Speaker 3: That I get to the point where I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, you just become stretched. It's really it's a fucked feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard. I absolutely lose it at my kids.
Speaker 1: And I felt like, especially if you've had it for
Speaker 1: like a sustained period where it's not just like a
Speaker 1: little blow up and then you repair, but like if
Speaker 1: you feel like you've.
Speaker 2: Been doing that for a day or two in a row,
Speaker 2: it's one of the worst feelings.
Speaker 3: It's awful, you know, for anybody else going through the
Speaker 3: same thing. And I went to bed the other night
Speaker 3: and she really didn't want to go to bed. She
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to go to bed. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to bed. And I was like, it's time
Speaker 3: to go to bed, Like it's quarter past eight, it's time.
Speaker 3: She's like, nope, I'm not tired. And the real problem
Speaker 3: was that I was exhausted, like mentally physically.
Speaker 2: I need to go to bed, like I need sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, Okay, we can stay in
Speaker 3: your room, but she shares a room with Zave, and
Speaker 3: then she was like singing and banging toys and it
Speaker 3: got to the point where I.
Speaker 2: Was like, that is it.
Speaker 3: I was like, get to sleep, Like I screamed, ye
Speaker 3: and I'm just not that person. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know how So like I
Speaker 3: genuinely I don't know how solo parents do it. I
Speaker 3: have so much help, so much help, Like I could
Speaker 3: outsource more if I really really needed to. But like,
Speaker 3: I've got my dad, my brother, his partner, I've got
Speaker 3: amazing network of friends, I've got a babysitter, and yet
Speaker 3: I'm still drowning.
Speaker 2: It is a lot.
Speaker 3: So for anyone going through solo parenting or you know,
Speaker 3: maybe you've got a five faux partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, five faux partner, or just you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe do the brunt of the work week by yourself.
Speaker 3: My hat goes off to you because it is I'm
Speaker 3: so god, is.
Speaker 2: It even so tiring? Or is there a breakdown?
Speaker 3: No, there's a lot of trips coming up, But you
Speaker 3: know what, take the good with the bad.
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to touch on, I'll just
Speaker 1: hand it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hand it out.
Speaker 3: The only other thing I was going to touch on
Speaker 3: is two things. Number one one thing that has actually
Speaker 3: been making my life slightly easier. And this is a
Speaker 3: bit random and it's not a plug per se, But
Speaker 3: if you haven't already used mingle seasoning.
Speaker 2: That's such a great business.
Speaker 3: They're such a great business, and they're so easy. They've
Speaker 3: got these saucers that you can add to a chicken,
Speaker 3: and they add to a chicken. This is how tight
Speaker 3: am add a chicken bee for whatever. I've been going
Speaker 3: through almost all of them and doing a stir fry
Speaker 3: or yep, quick flavor. Oh, they're a game changer. I'm
Speaker 3: just going to buy out there. If you haven't tried them,
Speaker 3: please do.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: My next thing is I had a few odd comments
Speaker 3: about childcare that I just wanted to clarify. I gave
Speaker 3: comment for an article in the Herald Sun recently about
Speaker 3: childcare and the potential of costs going up by twenty percent,
Speaker 3: and the fact that my old scent I was charging
Speaker 3: two hundred twenty one dollars per day. A lot of
Speaker 3: people are actually in the same boat. All of their
Speaker 3: centers are quite expensive and they're going up. But I
Speaker 3: did have quite a few comments of people that said, well,
Speaker 3: you must earn more. You must live in a nice area,
Speaker 3: because my childcare doesn't cost that much in my area. Also,
Speaker 3: for those people that are paying more, you earn more
Speaker 3: so the system is fair, And I do.
Speaker 2: Want to debunk this head on.
Speaker 3: According to the A Triple C, about half of the
Speaker 3: lowest income households spend between five and twenty one percent
Speaker 3: of their disposable income on childcare yep, even though they
Speaker 3: get a bigger government rebate. Compare that to the top
Speaker 3: income earners. So half of the highest income households spend
Speaker 3: roughly two to nine percent of their disposable income on it.
Speaker 3: The atriple C's own words, the cost burden is felt
Speaker 3: most by households already facing disadvantage. So for all those
Speaker 3: people in my inbox that have this rhetoric that the
Speaker 3: more you.
Speaker 2: Earn the more you should pay, fine, but you're fighting
Speaker 2: the fight for everybody. But exactly right.
Speaker 3: But I'm also suggesting where people like, oh, the rebate's
Speaker 3: fair though, because you know, the more you earn, the
Speaker 3: more you pay. But it's actually not fair. It's proportioned
Speaker 3: to how much you're earning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you're less out of pocket on average
Speaker 1: as a higher income earner than people with earning less income. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's not fair to lower income earners or higher
Speaker 1: It's not fair anyone.
Speaker 2: It's not fit to anyone.
Speaker 3: I just want to hit the nail on the head
Speaker 3: with that one, because sometimes I think people assume things
Speaker 3: about my family situation or how much everybody earns or
Speaker 3: whatever that might look like. And I work full time,
Speaker 3: my husband works full time. We're we slogging our absolute
Speaker 3: guts off, and we are both earning decent wages. I
Speaker 3: would say, but I am still very aware that schemes
Speaker 3: like this don't just impact me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not fine. You're not like poor richer us than.
Speaker 1: How the people are as much money as us. You're like,
Speaker 1: the system is not working exactly right.
Speaker 2: So that's just a gripe that.
Speaker 3: I had that I'm like, I have to say.
Speaker 2: It because this is when people think this.
Speaker 1: I get what people are saying when they say that,
Speaker 1: but to think that you're sitting there and saying like
Speaker 1: poor me, It's just.
Speaker 2: It's not what you're about. No.
Speaker 3: I mean, I do feel sorry for myself because I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's a fuck load of money that we're spending on charge.
Speaker 1: Yet also, can we instead divert our energies of like
Speaker 1: robust debates to the fact that centers are benefiting more
Speaker 1: than anyone.
Speaker 2: The businesses, not the educator exactly.
Speaker 1: Businesses, Yes, of helping raise our children while we just
Speaker 1: scramble to work so we can affoord love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, it looks different for everyone.
Speaker 1: And yes, I totally get it for lower income owners.
Speaker 1: But we're all about fing for everyone. Yes, well said
Speaker 1: the kids in there, big kid beds, speaking of slate hosey,
Speaker 1: how you getting none?
Speaker 2: Look, once she's settled, she's not too bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably like one call out during the night. Yeah, fun,
Speaker 1: but ten o'clock is her bedtime.
Speaker 2: At the moment, it's fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's just like no, sweetie, like see enough,
Speaker 1: But it's more like I want to read books, but
Speaker 1: then she won't read a book with you. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's just like I've found my independent sweetie. Yes, I
Speaker 1: can get out of this thing, yep, and I will
Speaker 1: striving us bonkers. Hayden's like, I think we should set
Speaker 1: the cut up again, and I'm like, no, she's always
Speaker 1: been a low need sleeper. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: will run into the same issue is six once.
Speaker 2: And it's dangerous.
Speaker 3: If they can climb out of her, that's my whole
Speaker 3: thing I think would be the danger aspect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that would now be her Emma.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not staying in here, Yeah, stay in beds anymore.
Speaker 3: And you know what it does, change, sleep changes all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just got to get through it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's that transition phase, so of moving from
Speaker 3: a cot to a bed, and for the first couple
Speaker 3: of months or first couple of weeks, usually it's fine.
Speaker 2: You're like, what's everyone talking about? It's not a problem.
Speaker 3: But they click and they're like, I can get out
Speaker 3: of my bed whenever I want.
Speaker 1: Because we did it with Ray, it's actually a non
Speaker 1: issue because he's a bit older. You can understand it
Speaker 1: actually just worked like he's fine. But Posey is two
Speaker 1: and a half, which I think would bear around the
Speaker 1: average age moved to beds. We should actually pull that
Speaker 1: one day. I'd be interested because one of my friends
Speaker 1: had to move her daughter into a bed at one
Speaker 1: because she was already starting to climb out.
Speaker 2: I mean, skill, I'm impressed world one day.
Speaker 1: But yeah, with Right, it's been less of an issue
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's a little bit more I
Speaker 1: don't know, mature, quote unquote, but Posey's just like, this
Speaker 1: is sick. I love her I'm coming to see your
Speaker 1: mother and dirt, and then she still wake you up
Speaker 1: really early.
Speaker 2: So that's my big kid bed update.
Speaker 1: A poem that I want to read, and I need
Speaker 1: to start by saying, obviously, a lot of the time
Speaker 1: we can't help our need to rush.
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking of paid.
Speaker 1: Work days particularly and when you need to be in
Speaker 1: office with the poem about to read out. But it
Speaker 1: was pretty fortuitous. The other night, four of us had
Speaker 1: a drink. One of my friends is a psychologist, and
Speaker 1: I was saying to her. I was talking about the
Speaker 1: psychology of like even on our home day, getting the
Speaker 1: kids in the car after swimming, for example, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have nowhere that we actually need to be, but I'm
Speaker 1: like seething with like please get in the car, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying so hard not to be but You're like,
Speaker 1: it's so ingrained in us to rush. I think that
Speaker 1: you're just like I literally feel like I'm about to
Speaker 1: fizz out, like bubbles are about to come out of
Speaker 1: my head. I'm like, get in the fucking car. And
Speaker 1: then I'm like, why are you trying to get them
Speaker 1: in the car. We don't need to be anywhere, So
Speaker 1: I want to read out this poem for these for
Speaker 1: those days. Again, I'm not trying to guilt you into
Speaker 1: never rushing on a workday.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 1: Please don't be like, oh, that's unhelpful. This is for
Speaker 1: your weekends. It's for your times where you have nowhere
Speaker 1: to be and that you still rush. It's called Hurry,
Speaker 1: and it's by Marie Howe. We stop at the dry
Speaker 1: cleaners and the grocery store and the gas station and
Speaker 1: the green market, and hurry up, honey, I say, hurry,
Speaker 1: as she runs along two or three steps behind me,
Speaker 1: her blue jacket unzipped and her socks rolled down. Where
Speaker 1: do I want her to hurry to? To her grave,
Speaker 1: to mine where one day she might stand or groan? Today,
Speaker 1: when all the errands are finally done, I say to her, Honey,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I keep saying hurry.
Speaker 2: You walk ahead of me.
Speaker 1: You be the mother, and hurry up, she says over
Speaker 1: her shoulder, looking back at me, laughing. Hurry up, now, darling,
Speaker 1: she says, hurry, hurry, taking the house keys from her hands,
Speaker 1: taking the house keys from my hands. I fucking love
Speaker 1: that poem. Yeah, I love the sentiment. I know you're
Speaker 1: not as into that sort of speak.
Speaker 2: Actual stuff as me, but it literally made me slow
Speaker 2: down the next day.
Speaker 1: So on a Thursday, Ray has a weird half day
Speaker 1: of Kinder that starts at twelve thirty. Yes, Posey's got
Speaker 1: a full childcare day, but I don't tend to work
Speaker 1: in that morning unless Hades is home and.
Speaker 2: I'll go off for a workday. But if it's me
Speaker 2: on that day, I don't.
Speaker 1: I only work top three to three the normally because
Speaker 1: of what you pay for child care and whatnot. I'm
Speaker 1: like still stressed about getting her there. But yesterday I
Speaker 1: didn't wear the best morning ever yet of a ten thirty,
Speaker 1: and I was like, sometimes we actually do need the
Speaker 1: reminder to slow down.
Speaker 2: So there's mine to yours. I love. I'll give you
Speaker 2: some good news.
Speaker 3: Good news are Perth building firm Indigo Commercial advertised for
Speaker 3: five new laborers and got over two thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 3: applications for five jobs. And the reason they offered six
Speaker 3: hour shifts built around school hours legends.
Speaker 2: Oh we love you.
Speaker 3: Let go give this company an absolute call out, and
Speaker 3: I want to call out the CEO too. Tasha Watkins
Speaker 3: designed the shift so that you could pick your pattern,
Speaker 3: drop the kids off, and news after school care in
Speaker 3: the afternoon, or do the morning care and pick up
Speaker 3: run or cover both drop off and pick up yourself.
Speaker 2: What a legend. And she didn't dream this up in
Speaker 2: the boardroom.
Speaker 3: She said her whole view on workplace flexibility changed after
Speaker 3: she became a mum.
Speaker 2: She's got two hundred two.
Speaker 3: Eighteen years in the industry, and she basically said, knowing
Speaker 3: what I know about this industry, I wouldn't apply it
Speaker 3: for a blue collar roll myself. So and I love
Speaker 3: this line. She went, well, this is broken and it
Speaker 3: needs to be fixed.
Speaker 2: And this is how do you know what I.
Speaker 1: Love most about what is ostensibly just full of stuff
Speaker 1: to love is that it's hiring laborers, like it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a female center job or what we consider to
Speaker 1: be the work of women, which I just fucking love
Speaker 1: your legend, Tata.
Speaker 2: I hope you hear this. You're a great woman, You're
Speaker 2: a leader in your community, you are We love you.
Speaker 2: We do. Now let's get into it, my friend. How
Speaker 2: much do we value caregiving wrong? How much do we
Speaker 2: value them? Great question?
Speaker 3: A while back I did a segment on teachers and
Speaker 3: it went absolutely gangbusters brilliant, And today I want to
Speaker 3: talk about nurses. A friend of mine who has a
Speaker 3: parent in aged care rang the other day and she
Speaker 3: was just done over.
Speaker 2: It, had enough.
Speaker 3: And as she was talking, she said, the staffer wonderful,
Speaker 3: as in, they genuinely are amazing, but there's just never
Speaker 3: enough of them. So she said, it's like one nurse
Speaker 3: for an entire war. You've got people that are capable.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not in palliative care, but there's obviously
Speaker 3: a lot of needs from older people. So whether it's
Speaker 3: like helping them get out of bed or helping them
Speaker 3: stand up, happing them go to the bathroom, you know,
Speaker 3: there's general things, yeah, fine things, Yeah, lots of different requests.
Speaker 3: And I think she'd probably spent about fifteen minutes trying
Speaker 3: to ask for someone for help. I think it was
Speaker 3: showering her dad, maybe just for some support. And she
Speaker 3: just said it took so long. She said, what is
Speaker 3: going on here?
Speaker 2: That's so hard? Yeah, And so it gave me a
Speaker 2: bit of time.
Speaker 3: It was a question that she said around how amazing
Speaker 3: the staff are, but how the system just isn't built
Speaker 3: to support them.
Speaker 2: Much like childcare, right, yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 3: So I decided to do a little bit of digging,
Speaker 3: and I was gobsmacked at some of this stuff, so
Speaker 3: I'm really excited to share it. So this is a
Speaker 3: federal Department of Health and Aged Care, their nursing Supply
Speaker 3: and Demand study. They are projecting that by twenty thirty five,
Speaker 3: Australia will be short more than it's seventy thousand full
Speaker 3: time nurses. So my word, yeah, that's nearly and in
Speaker 3: reality that's probably more. So that's more likely to be
Speaker 3: eighty thousand people because a lot of nurses work part time, yes,
Speaker 3: and the worst hit part hospitals, acute care, the places
Speaker 3: you go when it's an emergency, So these places will
Speaker 3: be short more than twenty six thousand nurses.
Speaker 1: That's actually terrifying for whatever about emergency workers in that context.
Speaker 3: And then there's primary healthcare, then aged care, which is
Speaker 3: exactly where my friend's parent is sitting right now. So
Speaker 3: I thought I knew the whole story about nursing. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's obviously because people don't want to
Speaker 3: do that anymore, maybe the pay shit. I'm actually wrong,
Speaker 3: which is surprising. Figures from the Department of Education say
Speaker 3: that more people are signing up to become nurses, so
Speaker 3: the nursing degree enrollments have gone up about seven percent
Speaker 3: over the last decade.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is a brilliant start and I never would
Speaker 1: have predicted it.
Speaker 3: Yeap more than twenty thousand new starters a year, while
Speaker 3: teaching degrees for comparison dropped by nearly fourteen percent.
Speaker 2: I honestly would have guessed the way around.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I knew that teaching degrees had dropped for sure,
Speaker 3: because the worst I had.
Speaker 2: To pick one of them, I would have thought.
Speaker 3: I would have thought that if both of them have dropped, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like there, I would have thought, oh, you know what,
Speaker 3: across the board.
Speaker 2: Across the board.
Speaker 3: So when we kind of dig into the starter, it
Speaker 3: means that recruitment's obviously not a problem. More people wanting
Speaker 3: to become a nurse. People are obviously putting their hands up,
Speaker 3: so then we train them, but then we obviously burn
Speaker 3: them out and then they walk. It's a leaky bucket,
Speaker 3: and you cannot fix a leaky bucket by pouring more
Speaker 3: water in the top. So this brings me to my DMS.
Speaker 3: Late last year, the new South Wales government did a
Speaker 3: pay deal with the police. It is a male dominated field.
Speaker 3: They averaged a rise of twenty six percent over four
Speaker 3: years in New South Wales has made them the best
Speaker 3: paid cops in the country. So the very next day
Speaker 3: up to ten thousand nurses and midwives walked off the job.
Speaker 3: This is because they are the lowest paid in the
Speaker 3: country and what did they end up getting through the
Speaker 3: industrial umpire nominal rises? It landed below inflation in real terms,
Speaker 3: a paid cut, essentially while being told that they're not
Speaker 3: allowed to strike.
Speaker 2: Are you not allowed to do that again? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I just want to put this figures side by side.
Speaker 3: Police overwhelmingly male workforce twenty six percent pay rise. Nurses
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly female workforce are pay cut.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so depressing.
Speaker 3: Yep, And the nurses union said it flat out, female
Speaker 3: dominated unions are being left behind. How does that make
Speaker 3: you feel? When I put those two figures by side
Speaker 3: by side, I.
Speaker 1: Feel really really emotional right now, Like my eyes are
Speaker 1: a little tiniest bit wet.
Speaker 2: That makes me really sad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just goes to show how fucking pervasive, like the
Speaker 1: infiltration of undervaluing care work goes.
Speaker 2: Anything that's related.
Speaker 1: To care work, which is female's care work, feminized care
Speaker 1: work is always undervalued, and I'm like, when are we
Speaker 1: actually going to see meaningful change.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's really sad because I remember, specifically in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty after COVID, everyone was giving emergency workers nurses standing
Speaker 3: ovations like you are the crux of the country. You're
Speaker 3: doing so much good. Yeah, and they're the heart and
Speaker 3: soul of communities yep. And then six years on they're
Speaker 3: getting paid absolute peanuts.
Speaker 1: I know I always say this, but it always reminds
Speaker 1: me of the idea of what we call mums, superwomen
Speaker 1: and superheroes.
Speaker 2: But then we don't actually give them the infrastructure to do.
Speaker 1: Parenting well and in a way that makes them feel
Speaker 1: healthier and looked after.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is just another example of that. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3: And it goes to show just how much women's work
Speaker 3: gets undervalued caring for people, keeping them alive. We treat
Speaker 3: it as a calling something women do out of love, oh,
Speaker 3: which I see all the time. Well said, And I
Speaker 3: also do want to say nursing is one of the
Speaker 3: most mun friendly careers going around. They often a lot
Speaker 3: of nurses that I know often talk about the flexibility,
Speaker 3: which in turn isn't actually that flexible because a lot
Speaker 3: of them are working overnights, yes, and.
Speaker 2: People like the specific start and finish times to those shifts,
Speaker 2: so like the the.
Speaker 1: Hours might sometimes work out okay, Yeah, they might roster
Speaker 1: you okay, but it's still like I have to be
Speaker 1: like I can't be late and I can't leave when
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 3: I went back and asked our audience, what job do
Speaker 3: you think is underpaid for? How much it matters the
Speaker 3: amount of responses to this, teaching childcare, paramedics, nurses, everything
Speaker 3: care related mothers.
Speaker 2: Which I absolutely loved, I mean goes without.
Speaker 3: Saying vets, physios, GPS, pending structures. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: interesting one about GPS. Actually that's really interesting and what
Speaker 3: they're really paid, which I might do another deep dove
Speaker 3: into that because I found that absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like that's quite an even like
Speaker 1: I'd also be interested, like because in my mind GP's
Speaker 1: are pretty fifty to fifty in terms of female male.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so's junior doctors criminally underpaid. It is so so bad,
Speaker 3: especially in New South Wales's. I had so many comments
Speaker 3: it was like outrageous. And then the next question that
Speaker 3: I asked was, if you know somebody who's a nurse, Like,
Speaker 3: why are they slogging themselves if they're not getting any
Speaker 3: pay rise?
Speaker 2: What is it all for?
Speaker 3: The answers that I got actually want to read them
Speaker 3: because they are so beautiful. And the next time you
Speaker 3: think about your friends who might be in care giving roles,
Speaker 3: please make sure you remind them of the important work
Speaker 3: that they're doing. Because even though a lot of these
Speaker 3: people might not necessarily say that they're in it for
Speaker 3: the money because they obviously aren't getting paid peanuts, the
Speaker 3: responses around why they do it is goosebump worthy. I
Speaker 3: want to read you some because they're so beautiful. Okay,
Speaker 3: So most people don't know that we are dealing with
Speaker 3: patients in the sickest stage of their life and on
Speaker 3: top of that, supporting their families. Most people don't know
Speaker 3: that we need amazing negotiating skills at the time to
Speaker 3: deal with a mentally ill patient or non compliant patient
Speaker 3: to keep them safe. Most people don't know that we
Speaker 3: are super excited by a bowel movement or you're an output.
Speaker 3: Most people don't know that sometimes we don't get out
Speaker 3: on time, even when we've been on a twelve.
Speaker 2: Year hour shift.
Speaker 3: It is such a great job by making an impact
Speaker 3: every single day. I've just got the threat of all
Speaker 3: I know. It's so beautiful. We really do help people
Speaker 3: in their most vulnerable states. We often give away ourselves
Speaker 3: to help others. This means long hours, holidays, missing special occasions,
Speaker 3: and family time. We do not get paid enough for
Speaker 3: what we do, but I would never change it. The
Speaker 3: average nurse would not even earn anywhere near one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Dollars per year.
Speaker 3: We do all of the doctor's work and we do
Speaker 3: not get paid anywhere need the equivalent for it, but
Speaker 3: I would not change it for the world. Like some
Speaker 3: of these people, this is the last one I want
Speaker 3: to leave you with because I think this is so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love when you're very me right now. I know, gotcha,
Speaker 2: it's really validating. Okay, So here's one way more.
Speaker 3: This is from an oncology pediatric nurse.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: Nursing means holding moments of profound grief and loss and
Speaker 3: moments of routine care with the same level of attention
Speaker 3: and compassion.
Speaker 2: We move between them without pause.
Speaker 3: Often I get so emotional reading this, often without time
Speaker 3: to process this weight built up over time. It's so
Speaker 3: beautifully read.
Speaker 2: I had to read it because I just think, obviously
Speaker 2: I'm emotional because I've had no.
Speaker 1: Sleep, but I do think emotional about that. Imagine going
Speaker 1: that low.
Speaker 2: Also, so many of these I lose my mind. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine doing that? Am I'm not losing my mind?
Speaker 3: But I do think when you have him in it,
Speaker 3: And obviously we've had a few times. We've had six
Speaker 3: children over the last year as of you, but I
Speaker 3: do think when you get a moment, if you do
Speaker 3: know of people in those caregiving roles, please tell them
Speaker 3: what an important role they're doing. Because when I had
Speaker 3: this conversation with my friend about her parents, which was
Speaker 3: so unbelievably sad like listening to her, when I dug
Speaker 3: more into the stats around it, I honestly think, as
Speaker 3: a society, where are we heading. We keep saying that
Speaker 3: after AI, the most important skills are going to be
Speaker 3: human skills, and yet all of the jobs that we
Speaker 3: have in those areas are so.
Speaker 2: Undervalued and underpaid.
Speaker 1: You've also just made me realize since having kids, I
Speaker 1: always tell my me and my friends how amazing they are,
Speaker 1: but I don't often extend that same gratitude to my
Speaker 1: nurse friends.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to do that.
Speaker 3: Well, there you go, just a little mind emotional part
Speaker 3: for me today because I've got all the feels at
Speaker 3: the moment, my hormones, homos all over the place.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's an interesting day when the girl I love.
Speaker 1: To say it onto the next segment, Ready or not
Speaker 1: very unofficial State of working Motherhood midyear report LOSSI we're
Speaker 1: pretty much smack bang in the middle of the year.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a temperature check. How are the
Speaker 1: work and mum's feeling, What are they thinking about? How
Speaker 1: many kids to most of the people that listen to
Speaker 1: our show have, does that line up with how many
Speaker 1: kids they thought they'd have.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to get through, and of course we're
Speaker 2: going to gamify.
Speaker 1: It, so there'll be a bit of a love this
Speaker 1: yes sink and I want you to butt in a lot.
Speaker 2: I can discuss whatever comes up as I'm reading these.
Speaker 1: Okay, So question number one is I have dot dot
Speaker 1: dot zero kids, which also fell under the bucket of
Speaker 1: either considering kids, trying to conceive it, pregnant, second option
Speaker 1: one kid, third option two kids, fourth option three kids
Speaker 1: are over the fourth option not lining up with the
Speaker 1: Number four is weirm out.
Speaker 2: But the fourth option is three kids are over. What
Speaker 2: do you think is the most common?
Speaker 3: Crazy enough like me to have more than two children?
Speaker 3: I would say probably most have two.
Speaker 2: You are bang on, my friend.
Speaker 1: Forty nine percent of our community and the people polled
Speaker 1: have two kids.
Speaker 2: There were literally thousands of votes across the board. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to give you a sense of the scale, I
Speaker 1: guess one kid is thirty nine percent.
Speaker 2: Three kids are.
Speaker 1: Over was actually ten percent, which I honestly got to
Speaker 1: be a little bit, and zero kids was two percent.
Speaker 1: So there you go, audience. I always wonder how many
Speaker 1: people are in the TTC such considering world.
Speaker 2: Yep, there you go.
Speaker 1: Next question, I am dot dot dot partnered mostly happily,
Speaker 1: which I know sounded grim but not laughed at that.
Speaker 2: People are like, yeah, it rocks the relationship.
Speaker 1: Next one was solo mum by choice, Next one was
Speaker 1: have been through a breakup as a parent, and last
Speaker 1: one was in a relationship I'm not happy in What
Speaker 1: do you think one out there?
Speaker 2: Oh? I really hope a one out it? Did it?
Speaker 2: Actually a lot?
Speaker 1: I hope it went out by a lot. It was
Speaker 1: ninety four percent. Honestly, like I thought it'd be about eighty.
Speaker 1: I probably didn't predict ninety four. So yeah, I'm happy
Speaker 1: that people are mostly happy.
Speaker 2: Solo mum.
Speaker 1: By choice was one percent. That's going to sound more
Speaker 1: lonely than it was. That a lot of people peached that.
Speaker 1: There was just a lot of people that led on that.
Speaker 3: I know so many people now who are in their
Speaker 3: very late there his early forties, so had to yeah,
Speaker 3: embark on it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Four love it, which I know that it sounds like
Speaker 3: a really small number, but for my immediate.
Speaker 1: Group, yeah, generation ago, Yeah, solo mother, My choice wasn't
Speaker 1: I know all about it.
Speaker 3: I think it's freaking phenomenal as long as you've got
Speaker 3: a good village.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am all for it. Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: Being through a breakup as a parent was one percent. Again,
Speaker 1: for anyone that's in that boat that's reading that stat
Speaker 1: that is more people than you realize.
Speaker 2: Yes, and in a.
Speaker 1: Relationship, I'm not happy in that one particularly broke my heart.
Speaker 2: That was three percent. Oh, that's sad.
Speaker 1: It's really hard if partnered iron dot dot dot less
Speaker 1: than my partner, similar to my partner, more than my partner.
Speaker 2: What do you think? One? Oh?
Speaker 3: God, I mean probably less than my partner I think
Speaker 3: would have won out, but I feel like similar is
Speaker 3: a contender.
Speaker 2: I think it's up and coming.
Speaker 1: It nearly became fifty to fifty if you included similar
Speaker 1: and more than versus less, which made me feel good.
Speaker 1: So less than my partner was the winner at fifty
Speaker 1: one percent. Similar to my partner was twenty two percent,
Speaker 1: and more was twenty five percent. So last twenty five
Speaker 1: is forty seven versus fifty one percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two percent.
Speaker 1: We'll just hear Frances if anyone's like, hey, that don't mappen.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty even across.
Speaker 2: That is pretty great. I was pretty happy with that.
Speaker 1: Next up, the division of labor feels if partnered completely
Speaker 1: even aka fifty to fifty, not fifty to fifty but
Speaker 1: fair for us, completely unfair, and I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1: Or here Frances with the other option again, just so
Speaker 1: you know why the maths.
Speaker 2: Doesn't work out.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I want to say, fifty to fifty might
Speaker 3: have won.
Speaker 2: Not fifty to fifty, but fair for us. Okay, so
Speaker 2: for us? Yeah, so, which I think is fine.
Speaker 1: Like we're dealing with gender pay gaps, we're dealing with
Speaker 1: all sorts of pressures.
Speaker 2: If it feels fair for your situation, then it's fine.
Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, it's what works for you.
Speaker 1: Yes, completely, Even splash fifty fifty was seventeen percent.
Speaker 2: So not fifty f was good. I have to say, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And if people.
Speaker 1: Are genuinely finding that dynamic fair sixty like sixty percent
Speaker 1: of the people plus were coupled with that, great, it's not.
Speaker 2: The worst start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen percent of people said completely I'm fair sick
Speaker 1: of it, which.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we get all beat in buckets like that.
Speaker 3: I also think it oscillates. There are some days when
Speaker 3: I'm like this is bullshit, and then other days when
Speaker 3: I feel like Ryan's where we're like this is bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. I feel like taking the
Speaker 1: piss of likely. Yeah, Like I'm mindful of it. I'm
Speaker 1: really mindful of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But early motherhood particularly is a hard time for tax.
Speaker 1: If you gave birth and you're feeding your baby, that
Speaker 1: in and of itself, on a bad.
Speaker 2: Day, you can feel Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I don't like it for the people that are
Speaker 1: in that situation. I want to see that number come down,
Speaker 1: but I reckon it'll be lower than it would have
Speaker 1: ten years agreed. Next up, Growing up, I wanted dot
Speaker 1: dot dot zero kids, one kid, two kids, three.
Speaker 2: Plus kids, three plus kids. That would have won.
Speaker 3: Everyone wanted the family dream, happy, fair, given what the fuck?
Speaker 1: So forty seven percent of people wanted three plus, forty
Speaker 1: two percent of people wanted two, thirty percent wanted one,
Speaker 1: and eight percent wanted zero. So that was another interesting thing.
Speaker 1: I know that's not that high, but again, it was
Speaker 1: a lot of votes for zero kids. It's also interesting
Speaker 1: on that and being like I thought, I didn't want kids,
Speaker 1: but what does I tell you about what we were
Speaker 1: brought out as children?
Speaker 3: Does that not? Are you not fascinated by that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm really babe. That's why I put up as a.
Speaker 3: Pub I think interesting, so interesting.
Speaker 1: Especially when you compare it with let's yeah, next slide.
Speaker 1: So remembering here that the two highest chances were forty
Speaker 1: seven percent for three plus kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two kids was forty two. So next up.
Speaker 1: Now we're getting too Now I want to slash think
Speaker 1: I can handle either emotionally, logistically financially. I also meant
Speaker 1: to add fertility to this, which I had to do,
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry to anyone that that might have sat with,
Speaker 1: But I did mean to add that or all of
Speaker 1: the above for these reasons. I now want or think
Speaker 1: I can manage zero kids, one kid, two kids, three
Speaker 1: or more kids.
Speaker 2: Do you think you want a two kids? Sixty one
Speaker 2: percent said two.
Speaker 1: Kids, Yes, three plus kids was twenty three percent, So
Speaker 1: that literally halved, which is interesting from what they thought
Speaker 1: they wanted. Yes, and I'm in that bucket like I
Speaker 1: thought I'd have three or four kids. Yeah, now I
Speaker 1: think two is probably really stick for me. One kid
Speaker 1: was fourteen percent, Zero kids was two percent.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Next up, how many days a week do you engage
Speaker 1: in paid work one to two days, three to four
Speaker 1: days of five days, or on a career pause?
Speaker 2: What do you think? One out, three to four bang on,
Speaker 2: my friend?
Speaker 1: That was nearly half of the audience at forty eight percent.
Speaker 1: Five days came out second at twenty five percent. One
Speaker 1: to two days was third at eight percent, and on
Speaker 1: a career pause was nineteen percent of our audience. We
Speaker 1: actually recorded an episode recently where someone was talking about
Speaker 1: feeling guilty for wanting.
Speaker 2: To work full time.
Speaker 1: Yes, twenty five percent of our audience are doing it.
Speaker 1: My friend, go hear that start. Does your workplace genuinely
Speaker 1: support working families?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I was shocked by this and I actually don't
Speaker 1: believe this. Yes, yes, six, I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's amazing.
Speaker 3: I've had the most incredible experience in my workplace, as
Speaker 3: in I couldn't give more glowing reviews, and it has
Speaker 3: really changed the way I think about other workplaces. It
Speaker 3: depends where you work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like what the definition of genuine is,
Speaker 1: Like I should have put more guardrails around that, because
Speaker 1: it's like one person's idea of a flexible workplace is
Speaker 1: different to others, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it depends the size of your workplace.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: To be honest, if you're working in a large workplace
Speaker 3: and there's no flexibility.
Speaker 2: I would what are you doing? What are they doing?
Speaker 3: I also think, I mean, I know that there's a
Speaker 3: big what's it called redolantly everybody's making people redundant?
Speaker 2: What's the word?
Speaker 3: Big firing thing happening at a moment, what do you
Speaker 3: call it? It's a great exit, that's what.
Speaker 2: We're calling it. From a podcast of Working Monster, I'm
Speaker 2: really having a week.
Speaker 3: But at the same stage, everyone is fighting for good
Speaker 3: talent and good talent wants good benefits and.
Speaker 1: That's hard to finn Yep. What's your biggest challenge at
Speaker 1: the moment in making work? First option is carrying everything
Speaker 1: for everyone all the time? Second, unsupportive team, Third, no
Speaker 1: village slash family support. Fourth, lost ambition slash don't care
Speaker 1: about work.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's a tricky one, isn't it. A lot
Speaker 2: of people DMed me all of the above, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, sorry, I had to pull that option out of
Speaker 1: these because everyone just picked her.
Speaker 2: Yes, I actually probably.
Speaker 3: I mean, it hurts me to say, but I do
Speaker 3: think the village might be a high one.
Speaker 2: So that came out second.
Speaker 1: So fifty one percent was carrying everything for everyone all
Speaker 1: the time, which, yeah, so that's half out. That's hard
Speaker 1: in this pool. Then no village slash family support was
Speaker 1: twenty four percent. Yeah, Lost ambition slash don't care about
Speaker 1: work was twenty two percent.
Speaker 2: Gosh, that's high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and unsupportive team was lower than I thought at
Speaker 1: three percent.
Speaker 2: That's great. I take that as a positive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, not many people picked that is your workplace
Speaker 1: big on implementing AI big time sort of not.
Speaker 2: Really sort of.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of companies are trialing it. It
Speaker 3: has a lot of risk with AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty eight percent, sort of thirty two percent big time,
Speaker 1: not really twenty nine percent.
Speaker 2: You could say that was almost so even across.
Speaker 3: Can I just say all of these companies that are
Speaker 3: making enormous redundancies and saying everything's going to get replaced
Speaker 3: by AI. AI is so unpredictable and it is so
Speaker 3: hard to train to look and feel.
Speaker 2: Like your company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that could be wrong, but I
Speaker 3: think what's happened is that they've made these really deep cuts,
Speaker 3: assuming that you better to do a massive cut of
Speaker 3: everyone at the same time and then you can rehire later,
Speaker 3: and assuming that everything will go eighty percent of plan.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of companies are.
Speaker 3: Thinking to themselves, oh shit, I'm going fifty percent plan
Speaker 3: and suck shit to their hotel. Well, they're going to
Speaker 3: h in three this time, they'll have to do a
Speaker 3: whole new hiring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be interesting to say. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about using AI at work?
Speaker 2: Love it? Big? Adopt not good, Refuse to use it
Speaker 2: not good?
Speaker 1: But feel like I have to use it neither here
Speaker 1: nor there tbh?
Speaker 2: I reckon TBH.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, neither here nor there was thirty nine percent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: love it, big adopt I was thirty five percent. Yeah
Speaker 1: obviously broke bart not good, but feel like I have
Speaker 1: to use it was eighteen percent. I actually thought that
Speaker 1: would be like a third of the audience that's interesting
Speaker 1: and not good refused to use it was eight percent,
Speaker 1: which I'm not surprised was lowest because that's really hard,
Speaker 1: Like you've got to be pretty bold to take that
Speaker 1: line of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hard, I do think though, even with AI and the Webbace,
Speaker 3: like I can only go off my experience. It's very
Speaker 3: limited in what you can use it for and deal with.
Speaker 2: I love to hear that, thank you for telling me.
Speaker 3: But it is because a lot of companies have enormous risk.
Speaker 3: Like if you're a company that has customer details, payment details,
Speaker 3: private information.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that trend people like updating their finances
Speaker 1: into it?
Speaker 3: You absolutely can't do it, and my god, do not
Speaker 3: do it. Eighty percent, I would say, or more of
Speaker 3: large corporates. There's no way everything's locked.
Speaker 1: So I am in more personal use, but even that
Speaker 1: just wrigs me out, Like the people are putting their
Speaker 1: finances into.
Speaker 2: A everyone puts everything into AI everything.
Speaker 3: It's so depressed, absolutely everything.
Speaker 2: Have you been made redundant while I'm parentally well. I
Speaker 2: was like you asked me.
Speaker 3: Or asking the people, what were the things yes say no? Yeah, okay, yes, no.
Speaker 3: I would say majority would be no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but much higher than I thought, which will take
Speaker 1: as a win because we've got so many dms about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety three percent of people said no. The vote for
Speaker 1: yes was still hundreds and hundreds of people. Yeah, only
Speaker 1: seven percent yes said.
Speaker 3: I think that probably is probably Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess one DM stands out more than a whole
Speaker 1: pole two thousands. Yes. If I could change one thing
Speaker 1: for mum's slash families, it'd be.
Speaker 2: I actually want me. You to tell me what you
Speaker 2: would change first, and then guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, better government, parental leave, even expectations on mum and
Speaker 1: dad work hours to match school hours, broader use of childcare, subsidy.
Speaker 3: Number one hard Okay, So I'm going to say no
Speaker 3: to that one, and I'll give my reasoning behind each
Speaker 3: parental leave. I think absolutely could be better, but it's
Speaker 3: a very specific time in your life. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 3: going to say no to that. What was the next one?
Speaker 1: The next one was genuinely even expectations on mum and dad,
Speaker 1: so society and everything.
Speaker 3: I think that most likely, longer term, that would solve
Speaker 3: so many problems, but it's obviously the hardest to solve.
Speaker 1: What was the next one, But we're in an idealist world,
Speaker 1: so if you want to pick it, you can.
Speaker 2: Okay. It was like we'll make it work, yeah in
Speaker 2: this pretend. Yeah. The next one was work hours that
Speaker 2: match school hours.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I think that would be fantastic, love that
Speaker 3: would make an enormous difference. But I still think what
Speaker 3: you'd be seeing is that I don't know, men would
Speaker 3: probably find ways to fill the rest of the day
Speaker 3: and women would still be doing drop off and pick up.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I think that might
Speaker 2: across the board. You're probably right if you look at
Speaker 2: the broader popular I mean, I could be wrong, because
Speaker 2: I would not be one of those women.
Speaker 1: I would be I feel my day day and then
Speaker 1: broader use of.
Speaker 3: Childcare up a moment in time. So I'm going to
Speaker 3: say be for the biggest systemic.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more was he and that only got
Speaker 1: thirteen percent of them because it's.
Speaker 3: So it feels so far fetched.
Speaker 2: It feels so unattainable, but yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: People are picking something that feels a bit more really Yeah,
Speaker 1: because as you say, work hours matching school hours in
Speaker 1: this society would still mean mums are scrambling to get
Speaker 1: things done in work hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to then get their cure. I think good.
Speaker 3: I mean it would leave you our fuck lot of
Speaker 3: pressure though, would it'd be great?
Speaker 1: And I was way of life that it creates, right
Speaker 1: that everyone's working a bit less, like I think that
Speaker 1: would be lovely for everyone's So workouts matching school hours
Speaker 1: was fifty five percent. Next was better government parental leave.
Speaker 1: That's eighteen percent. Given that nearly twenty percent of these
Speaker 1: polars are on parental leave, that definitely adds a layer
Speaker 1: here because these people are thinking parental.
Speaker 2: Leave for sure, and it makes me difference, Yeah, huge
Speaker 2: difference and sets things up as we know in the home.
Speaker 1: Thirteen percent each for both even expectations on mum and
Speaker 1: dad and broader use of childcare subsidy. I then asked
Speaker 1: the people and navigating work and motherhood is dot dot
Speaker 1: dot harder than I expected, easier than I expected?
Speaker 2: What I expected harder?
Speaker 1: Seventy eight percent fid so sorry for our pregnant.
Speaker 3: One person that said it's easier, I actually haven't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even when the small amount of people voted easier,
Speaker 1: I was like, who are these people?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: Actually, I would put myself in that bucket for my
Speaker 3: first kid. I would say with Siena, I found the
Speaker 3: transition to work pretty.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: I've like I didn't find it hard. Yeah, sorry, too bad.
Speaker 3: I used to think, what are these people complaining about?
Speaker 3: It's not that hard?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really not.
Speaker 3: But that was also because I had full flexibility of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, full.
Speaker 3: I had no requirements to be in the office. I
Speaker 3: mean there was like if you can come in yeah,
Speaker 3: and I did because I loved it. But now that
Speaker 3: we're going back to the in office mandate, yes, I'm
Speaker 3: finding it incredibly difficult.
Speaker 1: And as we discover the bigger kids, bigger problems, all
Speaker 1: of that stuffs in school b blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, seventy eight percent for harder than I expected,
Speaker 1: twenty percent for what I expected, and two percent for
Speaker 1: easier than expected. And the last question here, Lozzie, the
Speaker 1: most helpful piece of advice I've ever heard on navigating
Speaker 1: work and motherhood is can you tell us yours?
Speaker 2: I say this all the time.
Speaker 3: It's so boring, but and you've heard me say it's
Speaker 3: time so many times and I just absolutely hate it.
Speaker 3: But I always think, don't change it, you choose it.
Speaker 2: Love, love that. I'll give you a few of the answers.
Speaker 1: You cannot do it all at the same time, except
Speaker 1: that and do your best each day.
Speaker 2: I think that's fucking great advice.
Speaker 1: That comes from your friend Beth. Be kind to yourself.
Speaker 1: Some days it just won't work, enjoy the days that
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 2: That is that's the.
Speaker 1: Photographer absolute queen. Things will change but stay the same.
Speaker 1: I find that to be a really interesting piece of
Speaker 1: advice because it's so true, like your life feels totally different.
Speaker 1: But then you go into the obviously you're like, oh
Speaker 1: I can do this. Yeah, things are sort of the same. Yes,
Speaker 1: So it's a real mix of those two worlds. No
Speaker 1: one has it completely figured out. You're doing much better
Speaker 1: than you think. Yeah, marking love that.
Speaker 2: Have you ever read the book wing It?
Speaker 3: Winging It or something I don't have to have to
Speaker 3: reread about just quickly and then bring something on that
Speaker 3: because I remember having this profound thing like perception is reality.
Speaker 2: No one knows what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 3: And the older I get and the deeper into my
Speaker 3: motherhood journey I get, and the more questions I get
Speaker 3: from my children, it's alarming.
Speaker 2: How to realize that, Yeah, no one.
Speaker 3: Really knows what they're doing. Everyone is doing their best.
Speaker 2: I see that so much.
Speaker 1: And even the questions I'll ask in a meeting now
Speaker 1: that I was too scared to ask ten years ago
Speaker 1: because I was too worried about looking dunt worries. And
Speaker 1: now I'm like, no one knows that, and I'm okay
Speaker 1: to look dumb. If someone that's someone a dumb assize
Speaker 1: what do I have?
Speaker 2: Strategies?
Speaker 3: Because everyone's trying to strategize what to do next next,
Speaker 3: putting together that strategy is probably also think.
Speaker 2: If you guys could tell me, that'd be great. I'll
Speaker 2: do it three more. This is a brilliant one.
Speaker 1: And again for our mum Guilt Dear Ready or Not
Speaker 1: episode recently, you'll love this. You still do plenty of
Speaker 1: parenting after you return to work, so the guilt thing
Speaker 1: isn't as bad.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I think it is so good. Something has to give
Speaker 1: and let's go for two more. You can't control everything,
Speaker 1: and you will surprise yourself on how much.
Speaker 2: You can achieve on little sleep. Oh my god, so true.
Speaker 3: But that's how I feel at the moment. I feel
Speaker 3: like I've had no sleep. Honestly, I'm coming to a
Speaker 3: year and I am just not myself. My hormones are
Speaker 3: all over the place. I mentally, I don't know what's
Speaker 3: going on with me.
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