WEBVTT - Why Labor's 'breadcrumb' budget feels like a meal

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<v Speaker 1>Joining us live from Canbell this morning is the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Alberanesi. Prime Minister, good to have you with us.

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<v Speaker 1>First things First, do you now concede learning their lied

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<v Speaker 1>to the Australian public?

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<v Speaker 2>These were the questions Anthony Albersi could not escape batteries

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<v Speaker 2>government handed down its fifth budget.

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<v Speaker 3>This is being labeled warning that a budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Of broken promises?

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<v Speaker 1>Can Australians still trust the things you say.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor wanted it framed as bold reform, a budget about fairness,

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<v Speaker 2>productivity and giving younger Australians a better shot at housing. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>the immediate political fight became whether the Prime Minister had

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<v Speaker 2>broken his word.

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<v Speaker 4>We have changed our position now, I'm upfront about that,

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll own that and we'll argue why that's the case.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been throwing everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But once all the noise dies down, a sharper image

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<v Speaker 2>begins to emerge, a government willing to make some politically

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<v Speaker 2>difficult choices at a time when the police legal environment

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<v Speaker 2>has never been more fractious. I'm Daniel James, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>listening to seven AM today. CEO Cheek Media and host

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<v Speaker 2>of The Big Small Talk podcast, Hannah Ferguson on the ambition,

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<v Speaker 2>the compromises, and the contradictions at the heart of the budget.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Saturday, May sixteen, Hannah, good to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>You were in the budget lockup. When you walked out,

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think the real story of this budget was.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the real story of the budget is probably

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<v Speaker 6>there's never just one story of a budget. I think

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<v Speaker 6>it's unfair to kind of pin it to one thing,

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<v Speaker 6>which the mainstream media obviously always will. This idea of

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<v Speaker 6>broken promises has dominated this week, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of substance this budget that, for you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the first in a long time that's actually taking on

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<v Speaker 6>meaningful major reforms.

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<v Speaker 5>Been a massive newsweek.

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<v Speaker 6>But I also think that the missing conversations that are

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<v Speaker 6>happening on social media, not in corporate media, are discussions

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<v Speaker 6>around this missing tax on gas exports, around NDIS cuts,

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<v Speaker 6>and how the government I think has kind of in

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<v Speaker 6>many ways breadcrumbed us to think that this tax reform

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<v Speaker 6>announcement is major because they haven't been doing major things

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<v Speaker 6>for this term. You know, the coverage that we've been

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<v Speaker 6>doing this week looking at this tax reform and seeing

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<v Speaker 6>in our comment section, seeing in our messages, in our inbox,

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<v Speaker 6>people saying, you know, let's celebrate this, absolutely, let's celebrate

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<v Speaker 6>this kind of bold action from the government, because they

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<v Speaker 6>have done so little. I think it's that idea of

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<v Speaker 6>when you're starving, you feel like anything is a meal,

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<v Speaker 6>and so I think that this is tax reform that

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<v Speaker 6>should be celebrated. But I think we also need to

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<v Speaker 6>be realistic and at a macro level look at the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that we're excited and we're affirming, but we want

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<v Speaker 6>more and that's okay to ask for too.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of a big conversation about big issues, the

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<v Speaker 2>media coverage immediately focused on broken promises. We saw some

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly ludicrous front pages from one of the dailies,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the Murdoch media. What have you made of

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<v Speaker 2>the reaction to this budget? Was the hyperbole warranted?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that we're always going to expect from the

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<v Speaker 6>murdockmedia going to come out with the hammer and sickle

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<v Speaker 6>and call in communist Jim Like I wasn't particularly surprised.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I was surprised by how far it went.

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<v Speaker 6>But what frustrates me more than anything, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of people listening might have the same sort

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<v Speaker 6>of feelings is that when the murdockmedia turns to this

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<v Speaker 6>kind of radical extremist viewpoint, that positions our treasurer who's

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<v Speaker 6>trying to do something you know, affirming for the community

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<v Speaker 6>and recognize this issue we have in housing at the moment,

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<v Speaker 6>this massive Australian problem where young people are never going

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<v Speaker 6>to be able to buy their first home at the

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<v Speaker 6>current rate, that we see the murdockmedia turn to this

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<v Speaker 6>like radical right wing extremist kind of response. What that

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<v Speaker 6>does is that allows the public square to focus on

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<v Speaker 6>that as the debate instead of the substance of what

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<v Speaker 6>we're working with and what the tangible change will be.

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<v Speaker 6>So my frustration is when this is the narrative that's

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<v Speaker 6>driven by the mainstream media, there is no room left

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<v Speaker 6>to have actually an exciting discussion about where to from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that the general public is spuying that

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<v Speaker 2>type of extremism now from the papers? Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that people are following as a point of

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<v Speaker 2>discussion or is something that people are are moral lest

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<v Speaker 2>ignoring there.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that, you know, we need to be realistic.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I come from new media, from online media,

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<v Speaker 6>very digital first space, and so I understand that my

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<v Speaker 6>reach is an audience that has, you know, an echo

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<v Speaker 6>chamber viewpoint of progressive policy and ideals, right, so I

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<v Speaker 6>need to understand the echo chamber, the silod that I

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<v Speaker 6>exist in. But I do think we need to recognize

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<v Speaker 6>that the Murdoch media still has a hold on a

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<v Speaker 6>large portion of Australians, a particular voting demographic, a particular

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<v Speaker 6>age demographic, I would suggest too, and there is real

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<v Speaker 6>impact there.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I'm not denying that, but.

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<v Speaker 6>I also think we need to remember that you know,

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<v Speaker 6>these you know, these changes to the CGT discount actually

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<v Speaker 6>really only impact the ten percent, you know, the top

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<v Speaker 6>ten percent of wealthy Australians. But the way they're being

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<v Speaker 6>fed to the mainstream public is that they're going to

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<v Speaker 6>affect you if you.

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<v Speaker 5>Aspire to have wealth.

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<v Speaker 6>Because for a really long time in Australia, we have

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<v Speaker 6>normalized this idea housing of property as a wealth creation vehicle,

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<v Speaker 6>and that sentiment is now going to change.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that what.

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<v Speaker 6>The media has done a really good job of is

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<v Speaker 6>saying that you know, hard work earns you this kind

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<v Speaker 6>of success in this kind of property portfolio. This has

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<v Speaker 6>been positions of the Australian dream not to just have

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<v Speaker 6>your own home and kind of work a job, but

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<v Speaker 6>to actually have a property portfolio. If you just work hard,

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<v Speaker 6>you can get there. And that's not reality. And aiming

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<v Speaker 6>that kind of sentiment at the everyday Australian creates a

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<v Speaker 6>distorted vision of what people's actual tangible impacts this.

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<v Speaker 5>Kind of a policy going to be.

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<v Speaker 6>So my worry is not that you know, this is

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<v Speaker 6>kind of taking hold, but that we've normalized this ideal

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<v Speaker 6>of this aspiration when I don't think it's what most

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<v Speaker 6>Australians experience or are ever going to have in their lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think most younger Australians are viewing these

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<v Speaker 2>changes because some people are saying the changes to negative

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<v Speaker 2>gearing are two modest, while other parts of the Mahira

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<v Speaker 2>and the Opposition is saying that the capital gains reforms

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<v Speaker 2>will I'm fairly punishing people trying to get ahead through

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<v Speaker 2>buying shares.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not so much wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you got young, but young people are included

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<v Speaker 1>in this lot too, who have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>savings every month and they put that into the share

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<v Speaker 1>market to try and get ahead, maybe get a house deposit,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe say for their kids. I don't know, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be anything. Well, I punish them though.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think that these changes will be mostly

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<v Speaker 2>viewed positively?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that young people are consuming from different media sources,

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<v Speaker 6>and so I think that the conversation that younger voters

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<v Speaker 6>are having genst and millennials is there's a recognition from

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<v Speaker 6>us that you know, actually we are still getting kind

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<v Speaker 6>of the raw end of the deal here.

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<v Speaker 5>If the wealthiest in our society.

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<v Speaker 6>Are going to be able to maintain things like negative

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<v Speaker 6>gearing with grandfathering of this policy, I think that young

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<v Speaker 6>people have an awareness, we have an ability to talk.

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<v Speaker 5>Through these issues.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there is a recognition, a celebration that our

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<v Speaker 6>government is doing something. But I think that very quickly

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<v Speaker 6>there will also be a conversation about the fact that

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<v Speaker 6>really what young people were advocating for most in this

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<v Speaker 6>budget was a twenty five percent tax on gas exports

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<v Speaker 6>that's been ignored. The resources sector is still being very

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<v Speaker 6>well protected by this government, and actually this policy doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>go far enough. But yes, it's a start, and we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to give that applause.

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<v Speaker 2>To When Anthony Alberdozzi was interviewed by Sarah Ferguson on

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<v Speaker 2>seven point thirty she put to him that there'll be

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<v Speaker 2>about seven hundred thousand more gen Z voters on the

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<v Speaker 2>role at the next election.

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<v Speaker 7>Were you discussing at that time the political payoff for

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<v Speaker 7>you that by doing this, if the opposition chooses to

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<v Speaker 7>oppose all of these changes that you're bringing forward, that

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<v Speaker 7>it will damage itself in the eyes of young voters.

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<v Speaker 2>He rejected the idea that it was about electoral politics.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we were discussing the merits of the policy and

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's stacked up. That was our sole focus was

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<v Speaker 4>is this good policy?

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<v Speaker 6>Why do you think he's dodging that framing My view

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<v Speaker 6>of this labor government is that they always want to

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<v Speaker 6>come across in any government, wants to come across as

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<v Speaker 6>acting morally, acting in the interests of the community, rather

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<v Speaker 6>than making a calculated decision based on their voters right. So,

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<v Speaker 6>I think that this budget has been pitched as being,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, the intergenerational inequality kind.

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<v Speaker 5>Of reform that we need. It's being pitched at young people.

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<v Speaker 6>It's trying to attract the voter base of the gens

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<v Speaker 6>at millennials that will be the strongest cohort at the

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<v Speaker 6>next election too, And I think that the point that

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<v Speaker 6>I land on every time is I know, I personally

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<v Speaker 6>know and believe that there are good people within Labor

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<v Speaker 6>that are trying to do something significant here. I think

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<v Speaker 6>Charms is one of those people. I'm really impressed. I

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<v Speaker 6>want to celebrate the budget that he's delivered, but I

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<v Speaker 6>do think it's really obvious to me and anyone watching

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<v Speaker 6>that there's a lot of people in Labor, especially our

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<v Speaker 6>Prime minister, that are also trying to stop that progress

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<v Speaker 6>and sit on that conservative, moderate centrist kind of approach

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<v Speaker 6>that's letting young people.

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<v Speaker 2>Down coming up, and the Opposition is trying to out

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<v Speaker 2>One Nation, One Nation Hannah. On Thursday night, Angus Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>gave his budget reply speech in which he doubled down

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<v Speaker 2>on the same policy territory that he campaigned on in

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<v Speaker 2>the lead up to the pharaoh By election.

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<v Speaker 8>With later having opened the migration floodgates. The dream of

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<v Speaker 8>home ownership has become a nightmare for so many Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you make of your speech?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I mean it's one nation light right.

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<v Speaker 8>Mass migration is changing Australia for the words, the number

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<v Speaker 8>of people coming in far exceeds the number of houses built.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we are in a dangerous territory right now

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<v Speaker 6>where we also have you know, a cohort, especially my followers,

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<v Speaker 6>who are saying, you know, be careful how you critique

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<v Speaker 6>Labor because it could result in one nation's rise. And

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<v Speaker 6>that's a really scary conversation to be having. But I

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<v Speaker 6>would also say to that that Labour need to be

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<v Speaker 6>stepping up to the plate and responding better to One

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<v Speaker 6>Nation and the coalition's you know, racist rhetoric around immigration,

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<v Speaker 6>the kind of you know, anti climate action stance that

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<v Speaker 6>he took last night, Angus Taylor as well.

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<v Speaker 8>Labour's net zero obsession is driving up inflation and destroying

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<v Speaker 8>our economy and that's why neds zero must go.

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<v Speaker 6>And the fact that we could potentially see a coalition

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<v Speaker 6>between the Liberals, Nats and One Nation at the next election,

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<v Speaker 6>that is a dangerous idea, especially with the kind of

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<v Speaker 6>you know, similar competing narratives that they're pushing into the

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<v Speaker 6>public domain right now. And I think we need to

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<v Speaker 6>be honest and upfront about that. But we should also

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<v Speaker 6>expect more from the government to go further to kind

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<v Speaker 6>of beat and sort of you know, dismiss this rhetoric too, and.

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<v Speaker 2>When it was his turn to front Sarah Ferguson on

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<v Speaker 2>seven point thirty, she kept pressing him on actual numbers

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<v Speaker 2>around his immigration policies.

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<v Speaker 7>You've made a big statement in your speech. You're not

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<v Speaker 7>prepared to back it up with numbers, even though giving

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<v Speaker 7>you the numbers, well, you haven't given me the final Well, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 7>I've said what the number will be.

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<v Speaker 8>It will be based on the number of houses that

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<v Speaker 8>are built now. So now I'll ask you, well, if

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<v Speaker 8>I may, you know how many houses will labor build

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<v Speaker 8>in a couple of years time.

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<v Speaker 7>You can, if I was to guess, you can put

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<v Speaker 7>those questions to lay. But let me ask you a

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<v Speaker 7>different question.

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<v Speaker 2>She also pressed him on tax plan costs. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>really offer any sort of coherent answer to those questions.

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<v Speaker 8>Number you came up, So we can argue about this

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<v Speaker 8>all day and we might have different we might have

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<v Speaker 8>different numbers. I think what matters is whether there are

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<v Speaker 8>savings there to pay for it. That's the question.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, and how much it is matters too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, but what did that tell you about the

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition's alternative to Labour's budget?

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I just I think when I say it's like

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<v Speaker 6>very much vibes approach. I think when it comes to

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<v Speaker 6>One Nation and the Coalition right now, there is just

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<v Speaker 6>not that much in terms of substance. The policies they're

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<v Speaker 6>putting forward are very much based on vibes. They are

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<v Speaker 6>trying to read the room, but that room is still

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<v Speaker 6>quite a right wing minority. They are not representing, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>centrist Australia. They are not even trying to speak to

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<v Speaker 6>left wing Australians. I pitched to all of these people

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<v Speaker 6>to speak to them after Budget Day. I asked Angus Taylor,

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<v Speaker 6>I asked Andrew Hasty, I went to Hans and I

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<v Speaker 6>went to someone from every party. Essentially I got only

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<v Speaker 6>a response from Hasty's office saying he's unavailable. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>I think there are a lot of young people that

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<v Speaker 6>are actually trying to see if they're willing to step

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<v Speaker 6>in and have a conversation. But they're so evasive even

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<v Speaker 6>with mainstream media, which proves to me that they don't

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<v Speaker 6>really have substance. All the costings, all the sort of

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<v Speaker 6>measurements for these policies, and that it is just based

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<v Speaker 6>on the rhetoric that they're learning from One Nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Late In the week, Roy Morgan dropped polling which claimed

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<v Speaker 2>One Nation had more primary support than Labor and almost

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<v Speaker 2>double the support of the Coalition. Do you think the

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition's rhetoric on migration is only going to get harsher?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they going to keep trying to out one Nation

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<v Speaker 2>one Nation?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, I think that we can expect the fight to

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<v Speaker 6>get dirtier and dirtier as we had towards a potential

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty eight election. I don't think you know One

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<v Speaker 6>Nation's going anywhere. I actually saw an incredible video from

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<v Speaker 6>these train Council of Social Services during the week that

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<v Speaker 6>showed the media scrum basically looking at Pauline Hanson coming

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<v Speaker 6>out of an elevator versus you know, key stakeholders that

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<v Speaker 6>were speaking about what the budget's doing to cut essential

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<v Speaker 6>services and seeing five media cover them and one hundred

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<v Speaker 6>media fighting for a furd of Pauline Hans and fighting

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<v Speaker 6>for an image of Angus Taylor fighting from an image

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<v Speaker 6>of Barnaby Joyce as they come out to kind of

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<v Speaker 6>offer very little. But you know, this ViBe's based approach

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<v Speaker 6>of anti immigration sentiment. I think Australians need to look

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<v Speaker 6>at their voting record. I think Australians need to understand

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<v Speaker 6>that they are just spewing kind of things for the

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<v Speaker 6>mainstream media to pick headlines from.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a budget basically that says, this is a Marxist, socialist,

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<v Speaker 3>communist budget. We're going to strip wealth, we want to

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<v Speaker 3>disperse wealth. Yeah, right across it. They're not going to inspire.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think it's just a kind of sad indictment

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<v Speaker 6>on the state of media, on the state of politics,

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<v Speaker 6>that this is the competition we have right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The government has found about thirty eight billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>savings from the NDIS, which it says are about securing

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<v Speaker 2>the future of the scheme. But when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>how those savings are being made, what does that tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about the fairness claim at the center of this budget.

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<v Speaker 6>I think, you know, there are valid critiques of the

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<v Speaker 6>NDIS that we need to be able to speak about,

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<v Speaker 6>but those critiques are looking at the providers, fraud within providers,

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<v Speaker 6>and actually the people that are being punished under these

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<v Speaker 6>cuts is about one hundred and sixty thousand participants in

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<v Speaker 6>the NDAs, and the governments come out yesterday with the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of modeling for you know, things they're going to

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<v Speaker 6>change when it comes to powers given to the minister,

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<v Speaker 6>when it gives to these automated different systems that they're

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<v Speaker 6>applying to kind.

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<v Speaker 5>Of remove people from the scheme and remove the.

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<v Speaker 6>Services available to them, and then we're seeing different testing

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<v Speaker 6>for what is considered a permanent disability. When we're looking

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<v Speaker 6>at the actual policy changes here, I actually find them

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<v Speaker 6>scarier than even what was presented to us a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of weeks ago. I think that all of this sort

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<v Speaker 6>of these cuts to the NDAs that were sort of

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<v Speaker 6>pitched to the media a couple of weeks ago were

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<v Speaker 6>almost an exercise in desensitizing us to when the actual

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<v Speaker 6>announcement occurred and it was harsher, It was scarier, and

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<v Speaker 6>it was incredibly dehumanizing to read from the government, especially

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<v Speaker 6>when this government is pitching this about our fairness agenda,

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<v Speaker 6>especially for young people. Who do they mean, Because if

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<v Speaker 6>they mean cutting one hundred and sixty thousand participants from

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<v Speaker 6>the ndaes, this isn't really the human fair budget that

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<v Speaker 6>they're pitching.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, Hannah, given the state of our politics, including the

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<v Speaker 2>courage by the force of state, are we now living

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<v Speaker 2>in a time where it is now only possible to

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<v Speaker 2>implement significant structural reform by breaking promises, given the reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to the proposed text reform in previous elections, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Think when it comes to this rhetoric around broken promises,

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<v Speaker 6>we need to ask ourselves whose promise is being broken

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<v Speaker 6>in terms of, you know, what does the electorate want?

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<v Speaker 6>What do young people need? What does the future of

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<v Speaker 6>Australia ask for?

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<v Speaker 5>Now?

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<v Speaker 6>When we're talking about a broken promise, if the majority

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<v Speaker 6>of Australians want this change, is it breaking a promise

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<v Speaker 6>or is it.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually moving with the moment?

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<v Speaker 6>Is it actually moving with the dialogue, with the needle,

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<v Speaker 6>with what people in Australia need right now to have

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<v Speaker 6>a prosperous future. And I think that you know, this

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<v Speaker 6>idea of broken promise is incredibly boring and reductive view

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<v Speaker 6>of what is a really fascinating public conversation about what

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<v Speaker 6>the impacts are here and what this actually means for

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<v Speaker 6>young people over the next five years and the housing markets,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, slowing growth in price.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Just frustrating to see as a smaller media player as

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<v Speaker 6>we desperately try to work our way into the center

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<v Speaker 6>and deliver interesting commentary to see how all of the

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<v Speaker 6>readers are stuck with, you know, the Murdock media's view

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<v Speaker 6>of communism, which is absolutely is not.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you so much for not being boring and reductive.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much for having me in saying that

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate it.

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