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Speaker 1: Approche production of Right for the Right for the Right

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Speaker 1: photo record. Don't try to make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Rack.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I was a little, when I was ten

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Speaker 3: or eleven years old, I was I had my own

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Speaker 3: protection racket. It was funny because I would stop kids

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Speaker 3: then the kids that bullied them, I would go to

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Speaker 3: doing this at twelve thirteen years old. It was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Now I look back, it was like, you know, I

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Speaker 3: was way before my time, but I was watching these

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Speaker 3: older guys do it, so you know, I put it

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Speaker 4: A young age.

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Speaker 3: And what changed everything and probably changed the course of

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Speaker 3: Christmas and it got taken by an older kid. So

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Speaker 3: I went home with a black eye and my dad

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Speaker 3: was looked at me and he said, what happened to you?

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Speaker 3: I said, and I got a little scrape.

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Speaker 4: He goes. Then he said what happened?

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Speaker 3: I said, Well, as older kid, he liked the bike

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Speaker 3: dads would be like, okay, let's call his father, let's

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Speaker 3: My dad walked to a draw. He took out a

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Speaker 3: Boston Red Sox, a little eighteen inch commremative commeramative baseball bat,

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Speaker 3: and he handed it to me and I said, what

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Speaker 3: to want you to walk up to this kid whoever

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Speaker 4: To hit him right across the bridge your nose.

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Speaker 3: I'm eleven years older, but at the time, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: So I went out. I found a kid sitting there

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Speaker 4: Kid was a paper boy.

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Speaker 3: So when I hit him across his nose and he

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Speaker 3: from you know, being the paper boy. I looked and

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Speaker 3: I just walked back. I wish like it was natural.

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Speaker 3: I took all his money too, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: remember you got you got beat up by a fourth grader.

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Speaker 3: You don't want anybody to know that to yet. And

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Speaker 2: How was that down the track with that guy? You

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Speaker 2: ever have to cross pubs again?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we crossed packs in the future. We became friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, okay, he got into law enforcement and we

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Speaker 4: And he would tip me off.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, handy friends. I like that.

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Speaker 4: That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, I look forward to talking more about that.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's you talk about your dad being an enforcer

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Speaker 2: and a strong arm. I mean, obviously he was a

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Speaker 2: that story. You know, he'd expect a lot from you.

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Speaker 2: Let's just touch on what was dad like and you

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Speaker 3: Well, my grandparents, my grandparents were from Italy, and they

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Speaker 3: weren't really loving parents, like he passed it on to Like,

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Speaker 4: And he told the guy, if you don't have.

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Speaker 4: And that shook me to the corus, Like wow, this

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Speaker 3: So I always told the line when it was around him.

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Speaker 3: But he was not loving, he was not caring. He

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Speaker 3: He was more like he was an absentee fob.

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Speaker 2: And being an enforcer for the mob. Obviously he was

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Speaker 2: go away exactly. That would have been quite interesting for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my mother tried to keep me away as much

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Speaker 3: and like it was like in the movie Bronx Stile

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Speaker 3: The working Man's the Soccer. Well, that's how I used

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Speaker 2: But we'll guess right, that's something yeah, most definitely, because

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Speaker 2: talk about educating yourself moving forward and you know, stepping

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Speaker 2: only of and it's phenomenal on hence you being on

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Speaker 2: the clink today. So I feel very proud have you here.

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Speaker 2: And you know, these these are the stories that people

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Speaker 2: need to connect with because they do show that there

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Speaker 2: is hope. And your story definitely is one that you

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Speaker 2: know you would have had to have believed that you

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Speaker 2: had hope in you know, twenty one year is a

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Speaker 2: long time to be sentenced, especially in a federal penitentiary.

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Speaker 4: So that was my second time.

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Speaker 2: Your second time, So what was the first one? How

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Speaker 3: First one time was only forty one months, but I

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Speaker 2: So you'd done juvenile time as well.

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Speaker 3: No, actually I never got in trouble. I was pretty

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Speaker 3: And I had a nice run till I was like

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Speaker 3: thirty five years old. Wow, and then I got yeah, wow,

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Speaker 2: Not he'd a go a lot of crimes and everything.

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Speaker 2: But mane that that's a good run for a fucking plug.

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Speaker 2: That's doing what you were doing. He kicked some big

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I beat some trials and stuff they wanted.

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Speaker 3: They were after me, but you know, I got lucky

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Speaker 2: The marijuana charge. I just want to touch on that

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Speaker 2: in America, you see and quote me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I've had an amazing friend of yours and become a

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Speaker 2: great friend of mine, Seth Ferente, whom was on the clink,

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Speaker 2: and you know that man for a nonviolent crime to

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Speaker 2: is just ridiculous, you know, like I it just fathoms me.

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Speaker 2: You hear of these people over there that are caught

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Speaker 2: three times, you know, with minimal amount of drugs, weed

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Speaker 2: or something like this, next minute, their life sentences or

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Speaker 2: their massive sentences. How is that over there and how

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Speaker 4: Well? When Seth got caught, And first of all, that's

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Speaker 4: a great guy.

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Speaker 3: He was my bunkie for three or four years in prison,

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Speaker 4: We got along really well. I s to cook them

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Speaker 2: But anyway, imagine you now meeting you, you guys would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Seth got he got hit over the head with

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Speaker 3: like just billy twenty one even selling like not even

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Speaker 3: have guided somewhere else. Anyway, Yeah, and he got twenty

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Speaker 3: five years. They hit him with a what do you

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Speaker 4: Think either a RICO or CCEE career, Seth, he do

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Speaker 4: you know the story? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like and then escaped and was on the

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Speaker 2: story he is. You know, I look forward to getting

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Speaker 2: to his journey as well since we first had him on.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if anyone knows someone most, it's someone

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Speaker 2: that spent time together in a prison cell. Because I

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Speaker 2: I'm that guy that doesn't do real well with selly'sh.

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Speaker 2: Just I end up being one out most of the

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Speaker 4: I fucking hate it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a lot to handle being around somebody twenty

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Speaker 3: but me and Seth actually never had an argument, never

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Speaker 4: He was one of the best bunkies I ever had.

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Speaker 2: Well, and your first time was a federal or how

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Speaker 2: does that work, Anthony, Because this is something that I'm

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Speaker 2: really curious about personally, and I think our listeners would

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Speaker 2: be as well. The way it's structured over there is

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Speaker 2: it's very different to the Australian system. Here we have

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Speaker 2: federal charges, which you know, like I served six years

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Speaker 2: for under federal for drug importation, so obviously you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean it comes in under a federal Act, but

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Speaker 2: you serve time in a state prison. We don't have

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Speaker 2: a federal prison or a state prison. If I'm caught

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Speaker 2: within that jurisdiction of that state, then I serve the

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Speaker 2: time in that state, but there's no federal Actually, I lie, Canberra.

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Speaker 2: The Act is classed is the only federal prison I

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Speaker 2: one because it is not a state, it's a territory.

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Speaker 2: Now someone out there will probably be correcting me, telling

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Speaker 2: me now I'm wrong, but that's what I believe anyway.

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Speaker 2: So how is it in America the structure of the system,

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Speaker 2: because it's very different.

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Speaker 3: Well, to be honest with you, with the first time

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Speaker 3: I went away for the marijuana charges, it was lower

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Speaker 3: level securities, so it was like crime school for me,

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't learn anything.

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Speaker 4: There was no lesson to be learned. All I did

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Speaker 3: It was like a slap on the wrist forty one

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Speaker 3: So it was not even like it wasn't even anything

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Speaker 4: I got out and running when I got out.

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Speaker 3: But as far as they have over here, it's they

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Speaker 4: It was so.

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Speaker 3: Easy, and like when I got down to like minimum security,

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Speaker 3: you know, they have cookouts, and it was it was

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Speaker 4: As you want to eat. We had guys in the kitchen.

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Speaker 4: So I was eating prejuto and cold cuts and all that.

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Speaker 3: I had guys friends of mine in landscape, and I

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Speaker 2: that's how it pretty well is here. So you know,

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Speaker 2: you sort of you have your your high risk inmates,

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Speaker 2: you guys can call it the shoe over there, that

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Speaker 2: from the years that I had done prior. No disrespect

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Speaker 2: It isn't what it was.

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Speaker 2: Caliber of I guess person crimes and criminal has changed massively.

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Speaker 2: There's no I don't know, there's no chain of hierarchy,

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Speaker 2: there's no respect. It's just it's like a dog eat

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, And our system sounds pretty close to yours.

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Speaker 2: But you getting caught and was that because of the

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Speaker 2: the fact, Well, the second time round, you were convicted

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Speaker 2: I mean by is getting caught, You're arrested, you're then

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Speaker 3: Well, I had a gun on the second time, brandishing

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Speaker 3: drug robbery where somebody was selling a friend of mine

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Speaker 4: Can you help me? He's getting my brother all messed up?

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Speaker 3: And I actually said no a bunch of times, And

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Speaker 4: A prior conviction.

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Speaker 3: So I went from you know, ice cream cake time

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Speaker 3: going ice from Boston. They know you're a good guy,

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Speaker 3: they'll come, you know, come to you with a nice

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Speaker 3: welcome bag. But this time you came and welcomed me.

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Speaker 3: Also handed me a knife. He said keep this on

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Speaker 1: For the record, I'm done trying to make you uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: for the record. You ain't trying to grow un stuff

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Speaker 1: for your for the record, live on me going all

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Speaker 1: the way way for the record. Ain't trying to link, no,

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Speaker 1: for the record, for the right, for the record, for

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Speaker 1: the record,