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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Cummings and in.

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Speaker 3: This episode I speak with Brad Bradley, who opens up

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Speaker 3: about the disappearance of his sister Amy Bradley.

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Speaker 4: She stood back and wouldn't even come up to the rail, so,

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Speaker 4: you know, her fear of the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Make those theories implausible to me. Chris walks in and

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Speaker 1: he says, hey, man, what are you What are you

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Speaker 1: working on?

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Speaker 4: And Steve's sitting there, you know, actively looking for any

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Speaker 4: footage of Amy to delete from his tapes. Further request

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Speaker 4: of the ship. The key card data shows he entered

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Speaker 4: his room at three thirty five. Now, on his most

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Speaker 4: recent interview, he says he was in his room at

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Speaker 4: one am, which is obviously a provable lie. And I've

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Speaker 4: said many times you don't lie when you're telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you, Brad for coming

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Speaker 2: on to talk about your sister Amy Bradley. As I said,

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Speaker 2: I've watched the documentary and numerous of times now, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted this story and I wanted to help you

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Speaker 2: guys to get this story out and hopefully someone could

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Speaker 2: come forward, maybe a citing or anything in a way

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Speaker 2: to help your family. So thank you for your time,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, let's try and get this together so we

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Speaker 2: can get some help out there and hopefully find your sister. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So what we'll do is, I said, we'll start off

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Speaker 2: before we get into the cruise ship. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: you and your sister Amy growing up with your parents

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Speaker 2: and watched Amy was like, you know, as a teenager

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Speaker 2: and you two as as what your relationship was like

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Speaker 2: together as a brother's sister.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean our family. You know, you can ask

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Speaker 4: any of our friends. That was a family that everybody

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Speaker 4: wish they had. And our parents had us when they

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Speaker 4: were in our early twenties, pretty much the same age

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Speaker 4: Amie and I were when she went missing, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we essentially kind of grew up together, you know, my

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Speaker 4: back that you know, they were young I am now

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Speaker 4: when this all happened. But we grew up in a

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Speaker 4: really great neighborhood. There were tons of kids our age.

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Speaker 4: You know, we moved there in seventy nine and grew

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Speaker 4: up with a lot of kids our age and had

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Speaker 4: a lot of playtime outside. We spent tons of time

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Speaker 4: at the creek rope swings, going fishing, playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: In the driveway for hours and hours.

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Speaker 4: She and I both grew up on the swim team

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Speaker 4: for you know, from the time we were four or

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Speaker 4: five years old until we graduated high school.

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Speaker 1: You know, so a lot of time spent together.

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Speaker 4: And she and I sat on an interview I did

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Speaker 4: yesterday or the day before that. You know. Of course,

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Speaker 4: at some point I was the annoying little brother that

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Speaker 4: she had to yell at mom and Dad from her

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Speaker 4: But you know, after I grew up and she did,

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Speaker 4: out a lot. She'd invite me to things that she

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Speaker 4: was doing with her friends. I ended up dating one

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Speaker 4: of her friends. They were best friends before I ever

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Speaker 4: to her apartment. You know, we were more friends at

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Speaker 4: that point than than the typical brother and sister. I think, So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we had a really awesome childhood I have. I have

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Speaker 4: no bad memories of it. I know a lot of

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Speaker 2: Been Amy was good at sports, yeah, because that's where

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Speaker 2: swimming too. She was very competitive person.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, she was always better than me.

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Speaker 4: You know, at some point I got big enough and

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Speaker 4: but she kicked my butt, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, started playing basketball.

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Speaker 4: She ended up getting the first full scholarship as a

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Speaker 4: female to Longwood University to play basketball. She had tons

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Speaker 4: maybe Caitlin Clark is close.

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Speaker 2: But you know, but you're so very very tight knit family. Yet,

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Speaker 2: like for what I've seen from the documentary, not just

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Speaker 2: cousins and all like that. These are all very close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a really tight extended family too.

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Speaker 4: I mean I have I'm one of twenty three cousins,

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Speaker 4: and Amy was the only female out of all of us. Wow,

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Speaker 4: family reunions, holidays, Christmas and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, a number of years ago, the matriarch of

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Speaker 4: since that time, that kind of stuff doesn't really happen,

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Speaker 4: unfortunately too much anymore. I mean we're still close with

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Speaker 4: but yeah, our whole family has always been really tight,

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Speaker 4: and you know, it's a good group. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people have asked me and our family over the years

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Speaker 4: if we've ever sort of therapy or counseling as it

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Speaker 4: relates to our experience in this whole story, and the

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Speaker 4: answer is no, not professionally at least. Our support system

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Speaker 4: has been amazing, not only with our immediate and extended family,

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Speaker 4: know Amy better than you know a therapist.

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm wrong. We would benefit from talking to somebody.

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Speaker 2: But it does benefit But the thing is, sometimes it

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Speaker 2: different people, it is. Yeah, So let's let's talk about

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Speaker 2: just before the crew you went on the old the

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Speaker 2: family went on the cruise ship. To build up to it,

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Speaker 2: like you have never been on a cruise ship before?

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Speaker 1: No, well I had and my parents had.

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Speaker 4: I actually spoke incorrectly in an interview I did a

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Speaker 4: like a Miller Lite AVP pro beach cruise. And that

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Speaker 4: And you know when my parents told us initially that

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Speaker 4: know we were both Amy and I had some hesitation

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Speaker 1: And then she I.

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Speaker 4: Don't want to create the misconception that Amy was afraid

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Speaker 1: But you know, we flew down.

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Speaker 4: don't remember even thinking much about it. We got down

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Speaker 1: Time, man. We we were really excited.

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Speaker 2: So it was the royal power be it that's correct yet,

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Speaker 2: and it was March nineteen ninety eight that yous are

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Speaker 2: Your cabin was what two beds? It was it two

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Speaker 4: The couch next to the bed, you know, on the

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Speaker 1: We were there to have a good time.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, well that's what I mean. When you're on holiday,

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Speaker 4: So when we, you know, we got on the boat,

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Speaker 4: and I don't remember exactly the process or sequence of events.

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Speaker 4: they kind of take roll calls, Well, we did that.

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Speaker 4: And obviously when you get to the room, you look

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Speaker 4: So you know, I'm like, oh my god, Amy, come

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Speaker 4: We got off for our excursion and decided instead of

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Speaker 4: Flirty with Amy, and we joked like, hey, if anybody

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Speaker 2: Looking back at that, now, do you do you think

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Speaker 4: and that's to the same bar that Natalie Holloway went

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Speaker 4: Amy and I went out. We actually didn't take a

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Speaker 1: And after that we went down and got changed.

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Speaker 4: So if I remember correctly, the pool party started around

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Speaker 4: We go up to Yellow and we're requesting songs, some

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Speaker 4: For me, at least, that was the first interaction that

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Speaker 4: which was odd because there's, you know, there's this big

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Speaker 1: All my parents, you.

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Speaker 4: glass door.

436
00:21:13,241 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that she was brought back to

437
00:21:15,921 --> 00:21:19,401
Speaker 2: the room by somebody, like walked back there, or did

438
00:21:19,441 --> 00:21:21,841
Speaker 2: she come back by herself or you don't know.

439
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 4: And I've never actually thought of that and whether someone

440
00:21:24,921 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 4: walked her back or not. But yeah, I don't know that.

441
00:21:27,801 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 4: And her assumption is that she's just like me, just

442
00:21:30,961 --> 00:21:31,641
Speaker 4: walk back to the.

443
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,801
Speaker 2: Room on her own, Okay, because that's what I was

444
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: thinking when I was watching the documentary. If she was

445
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: taken from the room, then someone might have walked her

446
00:21:39,241 --> 00:21:41,801
Speaker 2: back to the room so they knew where she was staying.

447
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: That's that's what came to mind. Maybe, so when you

448
00:21:45,761 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 2: fell asleep. Would you have felt or heard her go

449
00:21:49,561 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 2: out the room or were you just like totally knocked out?

450
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: And that's it. You're asleep when you're asleep, and you

451
00:21:54,721 --> 00:21:55,561
Speaker 2: don't wake up at all.

452
00:21:56,281 --> 00:21:58,721
Speaker 4: I mean, I've slept through fire trucks at a neighbor's

453
00:21:58,721 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: house for I mean, and plus you know, obviously the

454
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:04,041
Speaker 4: experience that I shared with you that we had on

455
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,281
Speaker 4: a ruba, you know, having drinks and partying all night

456
00:22:07,321 --> 00:22:09,281
Speaker 4: and being up till four o'clock in the morning, I

457
00:22:09,281 --> 00:22:12,961
Speaker 4: had only been asleep for you know, two hours. Yeah,

458
00:22:13,281 --> 00:22:15,761
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not a light sleeper at all. So

459
00:22:15,921 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: it doesn't surprise me that her coming in the room

460
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 4: didn't wake me up.

461
00:22:19,961 --> 00:22:21,761
Speaker 2: Was it unusual that she wants to stay house on

462
00:22:22,001 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 2: the balcony and not going to the room and sleep,

463
00:22:24,441 --> 00:22:26,761
Speaker 2: or she just thought she wants a fresh air because

464
00:22:26,761 --> 00:22:28,921
Speaker 2: they'd sattled the documentary that she felt a bit sick.

465
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,081
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't and I don't know.

466
00:22:31,201 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, I'd been around her plenty of

467
00:22:33,681 --> 00:22:35,721
Speaker 4: times where she had had beers. I think her bar

468
00:22:35,801 --> 00:22:38,321
Speaker 4: tab shows that she had six light beers from like

469
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 4: six pm until then. And so that's the course of

470
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,561
Speaker 4: ten hours that ain't gonna do anything to her. Of course,

471
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 4: I don't know how many drinks someone gave her or

472
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 4: bought her, there's no way to tell that. But she

473
00:22:50,921 --> 00:22:54,641
Speaker 4: didn't seem hammered out of the ordinary to me or beyond,

474
00:22:54,801 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 4: you know, someone that was in an uncomfortable kind of

475
00:22:57,481 --> 00:23:00,561
Speaker 4: sick from alcohol kind of thing. I think what I

476
00:23:00,721 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 4: thought was at the time, and still do. When we

477
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,321
Speaker 4: first left San Juan and the boat first takes off,

478
00:23:08,441 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 4: you know, you get kind of an uneasy kind of

479
00:23:10,441 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 4: you don't have your sea legs yet, and you feel

480
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,041
Speaker 4: kind of woozy if you're not able to see the horizon,

481
00:23:16,521 --> 00:23:19,481
Speaker 4: something steady in the distance, and you know, we both

482
00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:21,921
Speaker 4: got that feeling. I remember that feeling when I took

483
00:23:21,961 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 4: my first cruise initially, and after the boat left Aruba

484
00:23:26,721 --> 00:23:29,561
Speaker 4: that morning at one am, we kind of had the

485
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 4: same type of feeling. So I can't tell you for

486
00:23:33,001 --> 00:23:35,201
Speaker 4: sure whether it was, you know, she didn't feel good

487
00:23:35,201 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 4: from the alcohol or she didn't feel good from the

488
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,041
Speaker 4: motion of the boat. I don't know how to give

489
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 4: you a better answer than that, but she told me

490
00:23:42,801 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: that she didn't want to go inside a closed room,

491
00:23:45,481 --> 00:23:47,681
Speaker 4: that the wind felt really good to her, and that's

492
00:23:47,681 --> 00:23:50,321
Speaker 4: pretty much all she said. She did say, you know,

493
00:23:50,321 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 4: I don't feel very good. The wind feels nice out here.

494
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,681
Speaker 4: I'm going to stay in the chair.

495
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: So was she excited? So for the next day of

496
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,481
Speaker 2: the trip. Was she really talkative about the next day.

497
00:23:59,961 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 4: And that was the main topic of our conversation on

498
00:24:02,281 --> 00:24:05,321
Speaker 4: the balcony, other than that one mention of you know,

499
00:24:05,441 --> 00:24:08,321
Speaker 4: yellow trying to make a physical pass at her, you know,

500
00:24:08,441 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: the ten or fifteen or twenty minutes. I can't tell

501
00:24:11,561 --> 00:24:14,281
Speaker 4: you how long our conversation was at night, but the

502
00:24:14,321 --> 00:24:15,921
Speaker 4: whole thing was centered about what we were.

503
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: Doing the next day.

504
00:24:16,681 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember talking about like maybe they have some

505
00:24:19,321 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: jet skis we can do, or maybe we go snorkeling

506
00:24:22,241 --> 00:24:25,681
Speaker 4: or whatever. I think we wanted something different than what

507
00:24:25,721 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: we had experienced the day prior on that other island.

508
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 4: So we were we were talking about potential activities. But

509
00:24:31,441 --> 00:24:33,521
Speaker 4: again I explained to her, I hadn't been to that

510
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,121
Speaker 4: island and I wasn't sure what would be available to do.

511
00:24:37,281 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so when you fall asleep, your dad awakes the

512
00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: first time, suddenly just wakes up and looks out to

513
00:24:45,921 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: the balcony and sees Amy's legs and that she's outside,

514
00:24:49,761 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: and then he decides to go back asleep. And then, yeah,

515
00:24:52,721 --> 00:24:55,201
Speaker 2: he wakes up a second time, probably about thirty thirty

516
00:24:55,201 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: minutes lates or something like that, and then he sees

517
00:24:57,681 --> 00:25:01,121
Speaker 2: that she's gone right now. Yeah, in that time, does

518
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: he wake you or does he just go and look

519
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,401
Speaker 2: for himself?

520
00:25:04,801 --> 00:25:06,761
Speaker 4: No, So, you know, he woke up at five point thirty,

521
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: looked at the clock or his watch, I forget which one,

522
00:25:09,681 --> 00:25:13,321
Speaker 4: and saw her out there. And then, you know, he's

523
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,121
Speaker 4: always said, you know, she looked like she was comfortable,

524
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,001
Speaker 4: and we were about to get up in thirty forty

525
00:25:18,001 --> 00:25:20,561
Speaker 4: five minutes anyway, so he figured he'd let her sleep

526
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 4: until it was time. And then when he gets up

527
00:25:23,281 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: at six, he didn't wake my mom or me, and

528
00:25:27,241 --> 00:25:29,921
Speaker 4: I think just left the room thinking, you know, obviously

529
00:25:29,921 --> 00:25:32,041
Speaker 4: thinking it was odd that we were up and out

530
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,921
Speaker 4: so late and she would be gone from the room

531
00:25:35,001 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: so early when we should have been all getting ready

532
00:25:38,961 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 4: for what we were getting ready to do that day.

533
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't any like immediate panic, but it bothered him

534
00:25:43,961 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 4: enough that he left the room and I think fully

535
00:25:47,201 --> 00:25:49,761
Speaker 4: expecting to go up on the pool deck or one

536
00:25:49,761 --> 00:25:52,681
Speaker 4: of the upper decks and find her, you know, after

537
00:25:52,721 --> 00:25:56,161
Speaker 4: about forty five minutes or close to an hour. Obviously,

538
00:25:56,201 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: he didn't find her, and he comes back to the room.

539
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 4: One interesting detail about that time, and again this was

540
00:26:04,201 --> 00:26:09,001
Speaker 4: right around seven, he runs into the chief security officer

541
00:26:09,041 --> 00:26:12,041
Speaker 4: who just so happened to be standing in our hallway

542
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 4: about twenty or thirty feet from our door when my

543
00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:18,041
Speaker 4: dad came back to get my mom. He went up

544
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 4: to that officer and said, you know, hey, my name's

545
00:26:21,441 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: Ron Bradley. I woke up this morning. My daughter was

546
00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 4: not in the room. I've been looking for an hour

547
00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: and I can't find her. I want to, you know, obviously,

548
00:26:29,721 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: just wanted to let you know and make you aware.

549
00:26:32,681 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: He didn't say anything about Yellow or the bass player

550
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 4: or anything like that. And the security officer's official report

551
00:26:43,761 --> 00:26:46,761
Speaker 4: does not include that interaction or that conversation that he

552
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 4: had with my dad at seven, and he reports that

553
00:26:50,481 --> 00:26:53,201
Speaker 4: he first learned about the missing passenger at seven thirty

554
00:26:53,201 --> 00:26:56,521
Speaker 4: three after he was contacted by the purser's desk, which

555
00:26:56,561 --> 00:26:59,241
Speaker 4: isn't true. So you wonder why that is. You know,

556
00:26:59,561 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 4: I'll get back to your main question. But again on

557
00:27:02,721 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: that detail, Yellow and the interview that he did with

558
00:27:07,001 --> 00:27:10,041
Speaker 4: James Renner about eight or nine months ago, says that

559
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: security called him in his room at seven am and

560
00:27:13,241 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: asked if he had the girl in his room that

561
00:27:15,481 --> 00:27:18,041
Speaker 4: he was dancing with the night before. So why would

562
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,081
Speaker 4: they immediately call him when his name was never mentioned?

563
00:27:21,441 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 4: How did they know who he was dancing with the

564
00:27:23,481 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: night before? Why did the security officer not mention that

565
00:27:27,041 --> 00:27:30,321
Speaker 4: he had learned about my sister being missing thirty minutes

566
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,321
Speaker 4: before he actually reported it? And Yellow also says that

567
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: he was told to stay in his room by that

568
00:27:37,001 --> 00:27:41,521
Speaker 4: security officer during that conversation. Yet somewhere between seven thirty

569
00:27:41,521 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 4: and eight am, he's walking up to me telling me

570
00:27:44,241 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 4: he's sorry to hear about my sister before he should

571
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,681
Speaker 4: have ever known.

572
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,681
Speaker 1: Wow, so we can get stuff later.

573
00:27:48,721 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: But my dad goes back into the room and touches

574
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,321
Speaker 4: my mom on her foot.

575
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,801
Speaker 1: And I've seen past.

576
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 4: Interviews where my mom explains that, and people don't understand.

577
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's a parent's intuition or why

578
00:28:04,681 --> 00:28:08,001
Speaker 4: they will have immediately panicked. It was very unusual that

579
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,561
Speaker 4: she wouldn't be there. It was very unusual she wouldn't

580
00:28:10,561 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: have left us a note if she planned to go

581
00:28:12,321 --> 00:28:15,041
Speaker 4: somewhere that none of us knew. And obviously my dad

582
00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:17,201
Speaker 4: had been looking for for an hour, and so when

583
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: he touched my mom on the foot, she says that

584
00:28:20,321 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: when she woke up, she didn't recognize that look on

585
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:28,041
Speaker 4: his face, and I think that immediately panicked her. So

586
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,001
Speaker 4: they get up and go do a search on their own,

587
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: and they asked me to stay in the room in

588
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,801
Speaker 4: case she were to come back before they got back,

589
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,361
Speaker 4: so we didn't miss it after a short time, you know,

590
00:28:40,441 --> 00:28:43,241
Speaker 4: And that I think when they left the room, they

591
00:28:43,321 --> 00:28:47,521
Speaker 4: pretty quickly went up to the purser's desk to initially

592
00:28:47,561 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: report that they couldn't find her.

593
00:28:49,641 --> 00:28:50,121
Speaker 1: Yeah.

594
00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:53,321
Speaker 2: Now, when I seen that in the documentary, they sounded

595
00:28:53,401 --> 00:28:55,881
Speaker 2: like they went very helpful towards you.

596
00:28:55,921 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: No, they weren't, you know.

597
00:28:57,681 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: I've always held the opinion that from the time that

598
00:29:01,001 --> 00:29:04,801
Speaker 4: she was reported, they refused to make an announcement to

599
00:29:04,801 --> 00:29:08,241
Speaker 4: make everybody aware that there was a missing passenger. They

600
00:29:08,281 --> 00:29:11,561
Speaker 4: refused to hold the gang plank so that people couldn't

601
00:29:11,561 --> 00:29:14,521
Speaker 4: get off the ship. My mom was begging and screaming

602
00:29:14,561 --> 00:29:17,641
Speaker 4: and crying, please don't let anybody off this boat. Back

603
00:29:17,721 --> 00:29:20,841
Speaker 4: the ship away from the dog, and they calmly explained

604
00:29:20,881 --> 00:29:23,161
Speaker 4: to us that sorry, they can't do any of that.

605
00:29:23,681 --> 00:29:27,361
Speaker 1: They don't they wouldn't want to disturb the other passengers.

606
00:29:27,961 --> 00:29:31,721
Speaker 4: So, you know, everybody knows that the first hours following

607
00:29:31,921 --> 00:29:34,681
Speaker 4: someone's disappearance or any crime for that matter, are the

608
00:29:34,681 --> 00:29:37,761
Speaker 4: most crucial. I think a lot of mistakes were made

609
00:29:37,961 --> 00:29:43,201
Speaker 4: or things were done intentionally to limit liability in my opinion.

610
00:29:43,801 --> 00:29:48,161
Speaker 4: You know, you have a security team that is hired

611
00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:52,961
Speaker 4: by a corporation. They're trained by that corporation, and it's

612
00:29:52,961 --> 00:29:57,601
Speaker 4: always been my opinion that perhaps they take steps and

613
00:29:57,641 --> 00:30:02,001
Speaker 4: measures to protect said corporation. You know, they weren't very

614
00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: helpful at all. They did not fulfill any of our

615
00:30:04,761 --> 00:30:08,281
Speaker 4: requis us. In fact, they only put flyers up after,

616
00:30:08,881 --> 00:30:11,001
Speaker 4: you know, more than forty eight hours had gone by

617
00:30:11,641 --> 00:30:14,361
Speaker 4: to alert all of the passengers on the boat who

618
00:30:14,361 --> 00:30:16,401
Speaker 4: had no idea for two days that there was a

619
00:30:16,401 --> 00:30:19,521
Speaker 4: missing girl. So there were a lot of things that

620
00:30:19,921 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: were done, and there were a lot of things that

621
00:30:22,041 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: weren't done that should have been done or could have

622
00:30:24,521 --> 00:30:27,521
Speaker 4: been done, and if they had been, we may not

623
00:30:27,601 --> 00:30:28,361
Speaker 4: have lost amy.

624
00:30:28,641 --> 00:30:31,681
Speaker 2: Because even like going forward a bit that I want

625
00:30:31,681 --> 00:30:33,641
Speaker 2: to talk about, because you just brought something up, is

626
00:30:33,681 --> 00:30:37,361
Speaker 2: the fact that when the FBI got involved. On the documentary,

627
00:30:37,361 --> 00:30:40,441
Speaker 2: it says that even the ship's cleaners cleaned the room

628
00:30:40,961 --> 00:30:44,881
Speaker 2: without permission, so it took all evidence out of the fingerprints,

629
00:30:44,921 --> 00:30:48,561
Speaker 2: so anything that they wanted to get and they basically

630
00:30:48,601 --> 00:30:51,401
Speaker 2: could get nothing from that room with DNA or anything

631
00:30:51,441 --> 00:30:51,721
Speaker 2: like that.

632
00:30:52,641 --> 00:30:56,321
Speaker 4: Opinion was that wasn't an accident. Another interesting thing that

633
00:30:56,361 --> 00:30:59,401
Speaker 4: people don't know. You know, in the documentary there's some

634
00:30:59,481 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: time spent discussing the fact that that table was pushed

635
00:31:03,281 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: up against the railing and the FBI got on board.

636
00:31:06,561 --> 00:31:09,161
Speaker 4: A couple of days later, after we disembarked on Curse,

637
00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:11,161
Speaker 4: how to wait for the results of the water search

638
00:31:12,201 --> 00:31:15,001
Speaker 4: that was negative. We flew back to Saint Martin, spent

639
00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:16,681
Speaker 4: the night in a hotel, and the next day we

640
00:31:16,721 --> 00:31:19,801
Speaker 4: get back on the boat via you tender or ferry.

641
00:31:20,321 --> 00:31:23,401
Speaker 4: At that point the boat company had their attorneys front

642
00:31:23,401 --> 00:31:26,841
Speaker 4: and center. The Norwegian consulate was involved. I've misspoken on

643
00:31:26,921 --> 00:31:30,881
Speaker 4: previous interviews that said that the FBI was there initially,

644
00:31:30,921 --> 00:31:35,121
Speaker 4: They weren't. They later came. They sent two FBI field

645
00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:40,281
Speaker 4: agents from the Saint Thomas office. But the guy began

646
00:31:40,521 --> 00:31:44,761
Speaker 4: questioning us. Obviously we were on the suspect being in

647
00:31:44,801 --> 00:31:47,041
Speaker 4: the same room with her, being some of the last

648
00:31:47,081 --> 00:31:49,201
Speaker 4: people that at the time we knew were the last

649
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,281
Speaker 4: people that saw her. So they interviewed us all separately,

650
00:31:52,841 --> 00:31:56,641
Speaker 4: and during those interviews they had us sketch where the

651
00:31:56,681 --> 00:32:00,601
Speaker 4: balcony furniture was that morning. All three of those sketches

652
00:32:00,641 --> 00:32:03,161
Speaker 4: show that we drew the table up against the sliding

653
00:32:03,161 --> 00:32:07,161
Speaker 4: glass door, and so you know, whether it was intentional

654
00:32:07,241 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: or unintentional that the cleaning crew pushed the table up

655
00:32:11,241 --> 00:32:15,601
Speaker 4: against the rail to perhaps support the narrative that he

656
00:32:15,761 --> 00:32:18,161
Speaker 4: simply you know, climbed on a table and jumped off,

657
00:32:18,161 --> 00:32:21,121
Speaker 4: which didn't happen. You know, that table wasn't there when

658
00:32:21,121 --> 00:32:24,041
Speaker 4: we woke up that morning, so who knows what they did.

659
00:32:24,161 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: Or there's been false reports of smudges or prints on

660
00:32:27,481 --> 00:32:30,961
Speaker 4: the glass or on the rail. FBI confirmed we gave

661
00:32:30,961 --> 00:32:34,761
Speaker 4: them Amy's prints that none of that was either true

662
00:32:34,961 --> 00:32:38,961
Speaker 4: or those prints were not Amy's, So that's a false

663
00:32:39,041 --> 00:32:42,761
Speaker 4: narrative as well. And not only did they, you know,

664
00:32:42,841 --> 00:32:47,161
Speaker 4: clean the room before in a criminal investigation, potentially alter

665
00:32:47,281 --> 00:32:50,441
Speaker 4: a crime scene, or you know, an evidentiary.

666
00:32:49,761 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Type of place.

667
00:32:51,321 --> 00:32:54,401
Speaker 4: They also, I don't know if you've seen the interview

668
00:32:54,481 --> 00:32:58,081
Speaker 4: with Chris Fenwick on the Untold podcast with Katie Beck.

669
00:32:58,121 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: He was the one whose videographer shot the footage of

670
00:33:01,001 --> 00:33:04,841
Speaker 4: Amy dancing bellow in the disco that night, his interactions

671
00:33:04,841 --> 00:33:08,881
Speaker 4: with the ship's video editor, who was of a separate hire.

672
00:33:09,001 --> 00:33:11,001
Speaker 4: Chris was there for a different company who had a

673
00:33:11,041 --> 00:33:14,001
Speaker 4: work trip and was hired to do their happy happy

674
00:33:14,041 --> 00:33:15,881
Speaker 4: Faces real for their company.

675
00:33:16,441 --> 00:33:18,081
Speaker 1: He had worked with the ship's.

676
00:33:17,841 --> 00:33:20,841
Speaker 4: Video editor, a guy named Steve, and they spent a

677
00:33:20,881 --> 00:33:23,561
Speaker 4: lot of time interacting into and out of each other's

678
00:33:23,681 --> 00:33:28,001
Speaker 4: editing suites, and Steve, long story short, went on to

679
00:33:28,001 --> 00:33:30,561
Speaker 4: tell Chris one day when Chris stopped by his suite,

680
00:33:30,961 --> 00:33:32,641
Speaker 4: he Chris walks in and he says, hey man, what

681
00:33:32,681 --> 00:33:34,801
Speaker 4: are you What are you working on? And Steve's sitting there,

682
00:33:34,801 --> 00:33:38,281
Speaker 4: you know, actively looking for any footage of Amy to

683
00:33:38,481 --> 00:33:43,241
Speaker 4: delete from his tapes further request of the ship. So

684
00:33:43,561 --> 00:33:46,841
Speaker 4: you have one video editor who's trying to preserve the

685
00:33:46,881 --> 00:33:50,081
Speaker 4: evidence that he has. You have the ship's video editor

686
00:33:50,121 --> 00:33:52,681
Speaker 4: scrubbing any and all images of Amy from his tapes,

687
00:33:53,481 --> 00:33:55,961
Speaker 4: in my opinion, so as not to show her potentially

688
00:33:56,041 --> 00:33:59,761
Speaker 4: with any of their crew, again limiting their liability. So

689
00:34:00,001 --> 00:34:02,641
Speaker 4: there's a number of fishy things that went on.

690
00:34:04,161 --> 00:34:06,921
Speaker 2: What did the FBI about this? Did they ever find

691
00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:09,881
Speaker 2: out about like the camera crew trying to the let

692
00:34:09,961 --> 00:34:12,521
Speaker 2: her of the questions?

693
00:34:12,841 --> 00:34:16,201
Speaker 4: Yeah, I does not communicate information to us, and they

694
00:34:16,241 --> 00:34:18,921
Speaker 4: never have. They basically when we ask questions or try

695
00:34:18,921 --> 00:34:22,361
Speaker 4: to get information from them, they tell us that I'm sorry,

696
00:34:22,401 --> 00:34:25,601
Speaker 4: mister and missus Bradley, this is an open investigation and

697
00:34:25,681 --> 00:34:30,721
Speaker 4: ongoing investigation and we can't share those details. So they've

698
00:34:30,761 --> 00:34:33,161
Speaker 4: never been cooperative with us to help us with our

699
00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:37,041
Speaker 4: own investigation. So I don't know whether they interviewed the

700
00:34:37,041 --> 00:34:40,441
Speaker 4: ship's video editor. I don't know whether they interviewed the

701
00:34:40,801 --> 00:34:44,441
Speaker 4: ship's PR staff or whoever to find out this. I

702
00:34:44,481 --> 00:34:46,881
Speaker 4: know Chris has been in touch with Steve recently and

703
00:34:46,921 --> 00:34:50,121
Speaker 4: they've had some conversations. But yeah, I don't know the

704
00:34:50,161 --> 00:34:50,801
Speaker 4: answer to that.

705
00:34:51,201 --> 00:34:55,761
Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know that we'll go back, we'll

706
00:34:55,841 --> 00:34:59,401
Speaker 2: jump so far. So from what I gathered before Amy

707
00:34:59,441 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: went missing, she was getting a lot of attention from

708
00:35:02,481 --> 00:35:04,841
Speaker 2: as you said, when you went to data. Now this

709
00:35:05,161 --> 00:35:08,401
Speaker 2: bass player, did you see how close this bass player

710
00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: was getting to Amy. Could you see that from where

711
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:12,561
Speaker 2: you were or you just thought that she was just

712
00:35:12,601 --> 00:35:14,001
Speaker 2: having fun? And that was it was.

713
00:35:14,121 --> 00:35:16,761
Speaker 4: When I saw them, you know, like in the clip

714
00:35:16,761 --> 00:35:19,321
Speaker 4: in the video they're kind of separated. Yeah, I think,

715
00:35:19,721 --> 00:35:22,641
Speaker 4: but that is shown where he's standing behind her, you know,

716
00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: with his arm around her waist and that kind of thing.

717
00:35:25,001 --> 00:35:27,881
Speaker 4: And again, unfortunately I was busy doing my twenty one

718
00:35:27,921 --> 00:35:30,641
Speaker 4: year old thing on in a different area, so I

719
00:35:30,681 --> 00:35:33,681
Speaker 4: didn't witness all of that, although it has been captured

720
00:35:33,721 --> 00:35:35,481
Speaker 4: on film, so I don't know.

721
00:35:36,721 --> 00:35:39,321
Speaker 2: Okay, So now that you've spoken to every well, your

722
00:35:39,361 --> 00:35:41,521
Speaker 2: parents have gone and spoken to everyone on the boat.

723
00:35:41,801 --> 00:35:45,801
Speaker 2: They're not corrop waiting with you at all. What happens next?

724
00:35:46,121 --> 00:35:49,841
Speaker 2: Like the stress factor through yourself, your mom and dad

725
00:35:50,161 --> 00:35:53,481
Speaker 2: must be massive. Now, you know, times ticking away, you

726
00:35:53,561 --> 00:35:56,601
Speaker 2: don't know where Amy is. They're start to let people

727
00:35:56,601 --> 00:35:59,201
Speaker 2: off the ship. Now what's your next move?

728
00:36:00,401 --> 00:36:03,921
Speaker 4: Well, so the only thing that the boat agreed to

729
00:36:03,961 --> 00:36:07,641
Speaker 4: do was make a general announcement for Amy Bradley please

730
00:36:07,681 --> 00:36:11,961
Speaker 4: contact the purser's desk, and they repeated that, I don't know,

731
00:36:12,721 --> 00:36:16,881
Speaker 4: every ten or fifteen minutes for an hour or so,

732
00:36:17,761 --> 00:36:21,121
Speaker 4: this is going on while I'm sitting at a table

733
00:36:21,121 --> 00:36:24,441
Speaker 4: and chairs on the pool deck near the pool by myself,

734
00:36:24,521 --> 00:36:27,121
Speaker 4: after we had come out and I'd gone up to

735
00:36:27,161 --> 00:36:28,881
Speaker 4: the disco, and I'd gone to the front of the ship,

736
00:36:28,881 --> 00:36:31,401
Speaker 4: and I've walked around, you know, the perimeter of the

737
00:36:31,441 --> 00:36:34,121
Speaker 4: walking track, and we've checked all the public.

738
00:36:33,801 --> 00:36:35,841
Speaker 1: Areas that we knew of and that we had been to.

739
00:36:36,801 --> 00:36:39,921
Speaker 4: So I'm not sure exactly where my parents were when

740
00:36:41,201 --> 00:36:43,321
Speaker 4: this interaction I had with Yellow happens.

741
00:36:43,321 --> 00:36:46,081
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting there by myself just kind of like.

742
00:36:46,481 --> 00:36:51,961
Speaker 4: Realizing something's bad and this isn't good, exasperated, you know,

743
00:36:52,241 --> 00:36:56,041
Speaker 4: with you know, the failure of our search to locator,

744
00:36:56,921 --> 00:37:01,001
Speaker 4: and only a couple minutes passed as I'm sitting here

745
00:37:01,041 --> 00:37:04,641
Speaker 4: thinking this, and Yellow walks right up in front of

746
00:37:04,641 --> 00:37:07,161
Speaker 4: me and says, hey, man, I'm sorry to hear about

747
00:37:07,161 --> 00:37:11,081
Speaker 4: your sister. And I said, not thinking at the time, yeah,

748
00:37:11,081 --> 00:37:14,561
Speaker 4: thank you. He said, I left her at three thirty.

749
00:37:15,161 --> 00:37:17,201
Speaker 4: When was what happened? When was the last time you

750
00:37:17,241 --> 00:37:22,401
Speaker 4: saw her? So I start to provide him with my timeline,

751
00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:24,601
Speaker 4: you know, when I left the club, when I got

752
00:37:24,601 --> 00:37:26,161
Speaker 4: back to the room, when she and she he said,

753
00:37:26,201 --> 00:37:28,041
Speaker 4: hold on a second, I want my brother to hear this.

754
00:37:28,841 --> 00:37:32,161
Speaker 1: So he interrupts me. He walks about fifty feet to

755
00:37:32,201 --> 00:37:35,041
Speaker 1: my right, where there's another table with three or four

756
00:37:35,121 --> 00:37:37,601
Speaker 1: or five guys sitting at it, and he brings one

757
00:37:37,641 --> 00:37:41,481
Speaker 1: guy back over and says, okay, go ahead. So you know,

758
00:37:41,521 --> 00:37:43,481
Speaker 1: again is naive.

759
00:37:43,801 --> 00:37:47,121
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not thinking about the likelihood that he

760
00:37:47,201 --> 00:37:50,161
Speaker 4: went to get someone else who was involved with what

761
00:37:50,281 --> 00:37:53,041
Speaker 4: happened to Amy, and they wanted to get their story

762
00:37:53,121 --> 00:37:56,241
Speaker 4: straight straight out of my mouth. So I thought it

763
00:37:56,281 --> 00:37:58,121
Speaker 4: was odd that he went, you know, he stopped me,

764
00:37:58,161 --> 00:38:00,441
Speaker 4: he went to get that guy, you know, not to

765
00:38:00,481 --> 00:38:03,481
Speaker 4: mention the fact that he says that morning he left

766
00:38:03,521 --> 00:38:07,041
Speaker 4: her at three thirty. Card data shows he entered his

767
00:38:07,121 --> 00:38:09,841
Speaker 4: room at three thirty five. Now, on his most recent interview,

768
00:38:09,961 --> 00:38:12,121
Speaker 4: he says he was in his room at one am,

769
00:38:12,361 --> 00:38:15,361
Speaker 4: which is obviously a provable lie. And I've said many

770
00:38:15,441 --> 00:38:18,281
Speaker 4: times you don't lie when you're telling the truth. You

771
00:38:18,321 --> 00:38:22,081
Speaker 4: don't need to, So that interaction, I don't know. There's

772
00:38:22,121 --> 00:38:24,761
Speaker 4: a guy named Reggie and there's a guy named Oscar.

773
00:38:25,001 --> 00:38:27,081
Speaker 4: I think in his interview he says that Oscar was

774
00:38:27,121 --> 00:38:30,361
Speaker 4: his roommate. I don't know whether he brought Oscar over

775
00:38:30,481 --> 00:38:33,921
Speaker 4: or whether he brought this guy Reggie over. But that

776
00:38:34,121 --> 00:38:36,761
Speaker 4: was my interaction with him that morning, and this was

777
00:38:36,761 --> 00:38:39,001
Speaker 4: supposed to be a time that security had told him

778
00:38:39,041 --> 00:38:42,761
Speaker 4: to remain in his room until further investigation had gone on.

779
00:38:43,441 --> 00:38:45,681
Speaker 1: That was the interaction that morning with Ever.

780
00:38:45,721 --> 00:38:48,561
Speaker 2: It's a viewed those two guys who he brought over.

781
00:38:48,721 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: Yellow was and I understood polygraph was inconclusive. I've heard

782
00:38:54,481 --> 00:38:56,641
Speaker 4: a lot of debate, and I don't know for a

783
00:38:56,681 --> 00:39:00,241
Speaker 4: fact which is true, whether he was cleared.

784
00:39:00,681 --> 00:39:02,801
Speaker 1: And I don't think you can be cleared on a polygraph.

785
00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:06,401
Speaker 4: It's not an admissible piece of evidence or to presume

786
00:39:06,441 --> 00:39:09,801
Speaker 4: anyone's guilt or innocence. So I don't think that simple

787
00:39:09,881 --> 00:39:13,321
Speaker 4: fact that whether he passed it or whether it was inconclusive,

788
00:39:13,321 --> 00:39:16,121
Speaker 4: and they just didn't have any evidence in international waters

789
00:39:16,121 --> 00:39:19,241
Speaker 4: to hold him. I don't know that they've interviewed his roommate.

790
00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,881
Speaker 4: I don't know that they interviewed his bandmates. Again, we

791
00:39:22,921 --> 00:39:26,001
Speaker 4: don't know that the FBI has done or not done

792
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:29,321
Speaker 4: a lot of things because they've just not not been

793
00:39:29,361 --> 00:39:31,161
Speaker 4: willing to share that stuff with us.

794
00:39:31,561 --> 00:39:34,361
Speaker 2: You said that the two girls who noticed Amy go

795
00:39:34,481 --> 00:39:38,241
Speaker 2: up the lifts with yellow. Now that in that documentary

796
00:39:38,321 --> 00:39:42,721
Speaker 2: they say that they seen him leave without it and

797
00:39:42,841 --> 00:39:44,001
Speaker 2: walked straight past.

798
00:39:44,361 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: When we you know, I told you before that we

799
00:39:46,681 --> 00:39:49,161
Speaker 4: got off on curs Out. We've next day, we flow

800
00:39:49,201 --> 00:39:51,761
Speaker 4: to St. Flew to Saint Martin, we get back on

801
00:39:51,801 --> 00:39:55,361
Speaker 4: the boat. You know, that kind of initial timeframe when

802
00:39:55,401 --> 00:39:57,081
Speaker 4: we got back on the boat was a little bit

803
00:39:57,121 --> 00:39:59,721
Speaker 4: of a kind of a blur, kind of a time warp.

804
00:39:59,761 --> 00:40:02,121
Speaker 4: I've talked to my parents recently and we were like,

805
00:40:02,161 --> 00:40:03,601
Speaker 4: what what happened that day?

806
00:40:03,601 --> 00:40:05,601
Speaker 1: What do we what do we? What were we doing?

807
00:40:05,641 --> 00:40:08,721
Speaker 4: And I can't really get a clear memory of what

808
00:40:09,041 --> 00:40:11,521
Speaker 4: was going on because we were in pretty bad shape.

809
00:40:11,921 --> 00:40:15,881
Speaker 4: But just before four am the next morning, you know,

810
00:40:15,921 --> 00:40:19,041
Speaker 4: we couldn't sleep, we couldn't eat, we couldn't.

811
00:40:19,601 --> 00:40:20,641
Speaker 1: We were a mess.

812
00:40:20,681 --> 00:40:25,561
Speaker 4: So my mom and I decide to try to retrace

813
00:40:25,641 --> 00:40:29,521
Speaker 4: Amy's potential steps that morning. So we get we get up,

814
00:40:29,521 --> 00:40:32,481
Speaker 4: and we walk out of our cabin. We turn right

815
00:40:32,521 --> 00:40:35,041
Speaker 4: down the hallway, we go towards the area where you

816
00:40:35,081 --> 00:40:36,521
Speaker 4: would go if you were going to get on the

817
00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:37,681
Speaker 4: elevator to go up.

818
00:40:37,521 --> 00:40:38,281
Speaker 1: To the pool deck.

819
00:40:39,041 --> 00:40:41,881
Speaker 4: And right when we got out to that area, Crystal

820
00:40:41,961 --> 00:40:47,681
Speaker 4: and Lourie came literally running up to us. They were panicked,

821
00:40:48,201 --> 00:40:52,321
Speaker 4: they were breathless, they were very excited. They said, you know,

822
00:40:52,401 --> 00:40:54,241
Speaker 4: oh my god, we've been we've been looking for you

823
00:40:54,281 --> 00:40:56,161
Speaker 4: for the past two days. You know, they didn't know

824
00:40:56,201 --> 00:40:59,121
Speaker 4: we got off the boat and cursol. So they said,

825
00:40:59,161 --> 00:41:01,481
Speaker 4: we saw Amy and Yellow go up the glass elevator,

826
00:41:01,961 --> 00:41:04,761
Speaker 4: you know, sometime between five thirty and six, which is

827
00:41:04,801 --> 00:41:08,881
Speaker 4: the first first time we made a connection with Yellow again.

828
00:41:08,961 --> 00:41:11,041
Speaker 4: I mean, we knew she was with him the night before,

829
00:41:11,081 --> 00:41:13,281
Speaker 4: and we had all met each other. Crystal and Laurie

830
00:41:13,281 --> 00:41:16,201
Speaker 4: had met both Amy and I. Crystalline Laurie had met

831
00:41:16,281 --> 00:41:19,961
Speaker 4: Yellow and had been flirted with by Yellow, and we

832
00:41:20,001 --> 00:41:22,521
Speaker 4: had spent a lot of time together that evening. So

833
00:41:22,841 --> 00:41:25,921
Speaker 4: they knew us, they knew Yellow, they know who they saw,

834
00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:29,401
Speaker 4: and they were adamant and have remained adamant over the

835
00:41:29,401 --> 00:41:32,761
Speaker 4: past twenty seven years about what they saw. And there's

836
00:41:32,761 --> 00:41:35,641
Speaker 4: a third eyewitness that's not in the documentary named Elizabeth,

837
00:41:35,641 --> 00:41:38,481
Speaker 4: who was twenty eight years old at the time. She

838
00:41:39,001 --> 00:41:43,081
Speaker 4: was apparently taking an antibiotic for some reason that meant

839
00:41:43,121 --> 00:41:45,601
Speaker 4: she couldn't be in the sun, so she spent the

840
00:41:45,641 --> 00:41:48,721
Speaker 4: majority of her crews in the Viking Lounge, and that

841
00:41:48,841 --> 00:41:51,881
Speaker 4: morning she was up there very early. I think she

842
00:41:52,001 --> 00:41:56,001
Speaker 4: was getting ready for the next day's excursion. And she

843
00:41:56,161 --> 00:41:59,361
Speaker 4: testified in the grand jury in Richmond the Federal Building

844
00:41:59,401 --> 00:42:02,761
Speaker 4: way back, you know, twenty some years ago, that she

845
00:42:02,921 --> 00:42:05,761
Speaker 4: saw Amy and Yellow come off the elevator from inside

846
00:42:05,761 --> 00:42:10,481
Speaker 4: the Viking Lounge, and what she describes is that they

847
00:42:10,521 --> 00:42:12,841
Speaker 4: go up to that same upper level where they were

848
00:42:12,841 --> 00:42:16,121
Speaker 4: sitting the night before when I left. Yellow walks back

849
00:42:16,161 --> 00:42:19,321
Speaker 4: down to the bar, gets a drink. She says, it's

850
00:42:19,321 --> 00:42:22,001
Speaker 4: a dark colored drink. He hands it to Amy, the

851
00:42:22,161 --> 00:42:25,761
Speaker 4: music is turned up, and then they walk into a

852
00:42:25,801 --> 00:42:29,681
Speaker 4: back area, which we understand there's a service or a

853
00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:32,681
Speaker 4: crew elevator in the back of that place that can

854
00:42:32,721 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: be used to go straight down to crew quarters. And

855
00:42:36,201 --> 00:42:40,161
Speaker 4: she testified that there was who she suspected, a girl

856
00:42:40,201 --> 00:42:43,161
Speaker 4: that was probably eighteen or nineteen years old that came

857
00:42:43,201 --> 00:42:47,241
Speaker 4: out from behind the bar yelling, Sinorita, kidnap, Sinorita kidnap.

858
00:42:47,801 --> 00:42:50,961
Speaker 4: The bartender takes that girl and pushes her back into

859
00:42:51,401 --> 00:42:52,161
Speaker 4: the bar area.

860
00:42:52,881 --> 00:42:56,041
Speaker 1: And we don't know who that young girl was.

861
00:42:56,881 --> 00:43:01,841
Speaker 4: There's about six potential people on the crew manifest that

862
00:43:01,921 --> 00:43:05,641
Speaker 4: would narrow it down to that age group or someone

863
00:43:05,641 --> 00:43:08,681
Speaker 4: that was working in hospitality or what have you. But

864
00:43:09,161 --> 00:43:12,841
Speaker 4: you know that witness account people a lot of people

865
00:43:12,841 --> 00:43:15,121
Speaker 4: don't know about other than you know, people that have

866
00:43:15,201 --> 00:43:18,321
Speaker 4: watched some of the other interviews I've done. So yeah,

867
00:43:18,601 --> 00:43:21,201
Speaker 4: there's not only two eyewitnesses that saw them go up

868
00:43:21,201 --> 00:43:24,561
Speaker 4: the elevator from outside the club. There's an additional one

869
00:43:24,601 --> 00:43:27,921
Speaker 4: from inside the club that saw what I just explained

870
00:43:27,921 --> 00:43:28,241
Speaker 4: to you.

871
00:43:28,361 --> 00:43:31,481
Speaker 2: There was no camera footage. You're not my club at all.

872
00:43:31,521 --> 00:43:32,561
Speaker 1: That's what they told us.

873
00:43:32,681 --> 00:43:36,441
Speaker 4: They tell us that now rest assured they have cameras

874
00:43:36,441 --> 00:43:41,321
Speaker 4: and recordings from the casino, but we asked if there

875
00:43:41,361 --> 00:43:44,641
Speaker 4: was any footage available to review, and we were told

876
00:43:45,121 --> 00:43:47,561
Speaker 4: by the ship's security and order, the captain. I'm not

877
00:43:47,561 --> 00:43:50,761
Speaker 4: sure who was who it was that relayed that information

878
00:43:50,841 --> 00:43:54,041
Speaker 4: to us, that none of the other cameras they had,

879
00:43:54,281 --> 00:43:56,601
Speaker 4: including the ones that looked down both sides of the

880
00:43:56,641 --> 00:43:59,601
Speaker 4: ship to alert them as to if someone goes over,

881
00:44:00,121 --> 00:44:01,481
Speaker 4: that they were just monitoring.

882
00:44:01,601 --> 00:44:02,481
Speaker 1: They weren't recording.

883
00:44:03,521 --> 00:44:06,441
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that's true, whether there was

884
00:44:06,521 --> 00:44:10,201
Speaker 4: actually footage of something that was hidden, or whether they had,

885
00:44:10,361 --> 00:44:14,081
Speaker 4: you know, zero security effort and weren't recording. Yeah, there

886
00:44:14,161 --> 00:44:17,921
Speaker 4: are cameras and I don't know how many, if any,

887
00:44:18,041 --> 00:44:21,921
Speaker 4: are in the nightclub, but apparently, you know, they had

888
00:44:21,961 --> 00:44:23,161
Speaker 4: no recordings of anything.

889
00:44:24,521 --> 00:44:27,801
Speaker 2: Okay, so tend me back now to how many hours now,

890
00:44:28,001 --> 00:44:30,761
Speaker 2: so we'll look at let's go to about maybe the

891
00:44:30,801 --> 00:44:33,681
Speaker 2: fist ten hours have gone by. Are you off the

892
00:44:33,681 --> 00:44:35,201
Speaker 2: boat or you're still on that boat?

893
00:44:35,241 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: Now?

894
00:44:36,241 --> 00:44:38,921
Speaker 4: Yeah? About ten hours later, I mean, so you know

895
00:44:39,401 --> 00:44:41,641
Speaker 4: when I'm up on the pool deck at seven thirty

896
00:44:41,641 --> 00:44:44,561
Speaker 4: to eight talking to Yellow. We got off the boat

897
00:44:44,601 --> 00:44:48,241
Speaker 4: that evening around five pm. And again not an exact time,

898
00:44:48,281 --> 00:44:52,321
Speaker 4: it's a rough estimate. And that was at the suggestion

899
00:44:53,041 --> 00:44:57,081
Speaker 4: of the captain that a complete search of the boat

900
00:44:57,121 --> 00:45:00,601
Speaker 4: had been performed, and they assured us that Amy was

901
00:45:00,681 --> 00:45:04,481
Speaker 4: not on that boat. We later found what we were

902
00:45:04,481 --> 00:45:07,801
Speaker 4: told about search was untrue and uh and ended up

903
00:45:07,841 --> 00:45:10,761
Speaker 4: being the initial search that they did included the public

904
00:45:10,761 --> 00:45:14,481
Speaker 4: areas and bathrooms and some other places. No crew quarters,

905
00:45:14,481 --> 00:45:18,601
Speaker 4: no passenger cabins, none of that. So we were misinformed.

906
00:45:18,721 --> 00:45:21,401
Speaker 4: We trusted that they had done what they told us

907
00:45:21,441 --> 00:45:25,441
Speaker 4: they did, and the captain suggested that hey, if you know,

908
00:45:25,481 --> 00:45:28,921
Speaker 4: Amy's not on this boat, if she is to be

909
00:45:28,961 --> 00:45:31,561
Speaker 4: found in the water. You know, with the ongoing searches

910
00:45:31,561 --> 00:45:34,201
Speaker 4: that were going on, you guys are going to want

911
00:45:34,201 --> 00:45:34,641
Speaker 4: to be there.

912
00:45:34,841 --> 00:45:37,601
Speaker 1: And we said, you know, we agreed.

913
00:45:37,241 --> 00:45:39,921
Speaker 4: That, not that we had any feelings that she would

914
00:45:39,961 --> 00:45:43,001
Speaker 4: have jumped or fallen, but if she was in the water,

915
00:45:43,081 --> 00:45:45,161
Speaker 4: someone could have thrown her in the water, someone could

916
00:45:45,201 --> 00:45:47,841
Speaker 4: have put it. So we we said, okay, we get

917
00:45:47,881 --> 00:45:51,401
Speaker 4: off and we the president AD's company at the time

918
00:45:51,441 --> 00:45:54,681
Speaker 4: and his wife got off the ship with us to

919
00:45:55,281 --> 00:45:58,881
Speaker 4: help us through the situation because we weren't in any

920
00:45:58,961 --> 00:46:01,881
Speaker 4: kind of shape to deal with figuring out where we're going.

921
00:46:01,841 --> 00:46:03,161
Speaker 1: To stay or what we were going to do.

922
00:46:03,801 --> 00:46:06,681
Speaker 4: So we got a hotel room, the president got my

923
00:46:07,921 --> 00:46:11,441
Speaker 4: got us a hotel room that night. Yeah, So, like

924
00:46:11,481 --> 00:46:13,361
Speaker 4: you said, that was about we were off the boat

925
00:46:13,441 --> 00:46:15,601
Speaker 4: probably about ten hours.

926
00:46:16,561 --> 00:46:19,041
Speaker 2: And then after I mean that ten hours, that's all

927
00:46:19,081 --> 00:46:21,521
Speaker 2: the people on the boat did for you. That nothing else.

928
00:46:21,881 --> 00:46:23,761
Speaker 2: So there was no pitches going out, There was no

929
00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:27,361
Speaker 2: on TV screens like putting your sister picture up there

930
00:46:27,401 --> 00:46:32,001
Speaker 2: to say she's missing as anyone seeing it. Nothing like that. Wow, nothing,

931
00:46:33,201 --> 00:46:36,321
Speaker 2: Because that's that's what really got me when I watched

932
00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:38,561
Speaker 2: the documentary and I thought that would have been the

933
00:46:38,601 --> 00:46:40,641
Speaker 2: first thing I thought the boat would have done, put

934
00:46:40,681 --> 00:46:43,601
Speaker 2: the pitches up on a screen at the main lobby

935
00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:45,521
Speaker 2: and all like that for people to look, and they

936
00:46:45,521 --> 00:46:47,841
Speaker 2: would have reminded them, and then there would have been

937
00:46:47,921 --> 00:46:49,641
Speaker 2: everyone would have searched the boat, you know, to get

938
00:46:49,641 --> 00:46:53,041
Speaker 2: people to actually help you guys. But they were so

939
00:46:53,161 --> 00:46:54,721
Speaker 2: unhelpful in that documentary.

940
00:46:55,641 --> 00:46:59,081
Speaker 4: I think that they're intent and that that cruise director,

941
00:46:59,601 --> 00:47:03,841
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is very much so representative of that

942
00:47:03,921 --> 00:47:09,561
Speaker 4: company thanksers. They wanted us again, opinions, only they wanted

943
00:47:09,641 --> 00:47:12,401
Speaker 4: us off the boat. They wanted to carry on. They

944
00:47:12,441 --> 00:47:14,761
Speaker 4: didn't want people to know about it. It's bad pr

945
00:47:15,401 --> 00:47:18,161
Speaker 4: if they were to truly have been interested in helping

946
00:47:18,241 --> 00:47:19,001
Speaker 4: us find Amy.

947
00:47:19,521 --> 00:47:20,401
Speaker 1: You know, we made it.

948
00:47:20,441 --> 00:47:23,161
Speaker 4: We made a comparison, you know, back then Bill Clinton

949
00:47:23,201 --> 00:47:26,961
Speaker 4: was president, and my mom said, if this was Chelsea

950
00:47:27,041 --> 00:47:31,241
Speaker 4: Clinton on this boat, that boat would have been frozen

951
00:47:31,961 --> 00:47:34,761
Speaker 4: and was found. That boat would have been on lockdown

952
00:47:34,841 --> 00:47:38,201
Speaker 4: and anchored in the same spot. They shuffled us off.

953
00:47:39,041 --> 00:47:43,041
Speaker 4: They left on time, their schedule was unaffected, and we've

954
00:47:43,081 --> 00:47:45,761
Speaker 4: spoken to you know, many passengers over the years that

955
00:47:45,881 --> 00:47:48,641
Speaker 4: had no clue what had happened that there was a

956
00:47:48,681 --> 00:47:52,081
Speaker 4: missing person we missed out on thousands of eyes and

957
00:47:52,121 --> 00:47:58,081
Speaker 4: ears helping us look and pay attention. And again, I've

958
00:47:58,121 --> 00:48:02,241
Speaker 4: always felt that the main concern from that ship's point

959
00:48:02,241 --> 00:48:04,481
Speaker 4: of view was not helping us. It was limiting their

960
00:48:04,521 --> 00:48:08,241
Speaker 4: liability in a bad bring if she were potentially found

961
00:48:08,241 --> 00:48:09,801
Speaker 4: to be with one of their employees.

962
00:48:10,081 --> 00:48:12,921
Speaker 2: And they also have a juicy of kid, you know

963
00:48:12,921 --> 00:48:15,641
Speaker 2: what I mean that that was a definite red flag

964
00:48:15,681 --> 00:48:17,841
Speaker 2: when they did. When I hope was, yeah, that's so

965
00:48:18,881 --> 00:48:21,401
Speaker 2: we done. And I found that. I also found with

966
00:48:21,481 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: that the pisson you just mentioned then from the cruise ship,

967
00:48:25,401 --> 00:48:29,161
Speaker 2: Like when he was talking, he was so all about

968
00:48:29,521 --> 00:48:32,881
Speaker 2: dead against anything to do with you, your sister, your family.

969
00:48:33,481 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: It was all about the show must go on. That's it.

970
00:48:36,521 --> 00:48:38,361
Speaker 2: It was, That's how he put it. And it was

971
00:48:38,401 --> 00:48:40,281
Speaker 2: just like, this is just so wrong.

972
00:48:41,041 --> 00:48:44,881
Speaker 4: Yeah, And much like we've had passengers in the weeks

973
00:48:44,881 --> 00:48:50,241
Speaker 4: and months after Amy's disappearance, we had passengers contact us

974
00:48:50,281 --> 00:48:53,921
Speaker 4: from that same ship telling us that staff was telling

975
00:48:53,961 --> 00:48:57,601
Speaker 4: people that she jumped, or she fell, or I threw

976
00:48:57,641 --> 00:49:00,401
Speaker 4: her over, or my dad did something. And I don't

977
00:49:00,401 --> 00:49:04,681
Speaker 4: know whether it was just simply those crew members' opinions

978
00:49:05,201 --> 00:49:07,921
Speaker 4: or whether they were told to push a certain narrative,

979
00:49:08,441 --> 00:49:12,081
Speaker 4: you know, And I think Kirk is no different in

980
00:49:12,121 --> 00:49:15,401
Speaker 4: that regard. He plainly states, I think she either jumped

981
00:49:15,481 --> 00:49:18,201
Speaker 4: or fell, you know, That's what they'd love everybody to think.

982
00:49:18,801 --> 00:49:21,601
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, there are a lot of people online that

983
00:49:21,641 --> 00:49:25,761
Speaker 4: I've unfortunately had to deal with over the past months

984
00:49:25,801 --> 00:49:28,121
Speaker 4: since this show came out that'd say a lot of nasty,

985
00:49:28,201 --> 00:49:29,001
Speaker 4: hurtful things.

986
00:49:29,601 --> 00:49:29,801
Speaker 1: You know.

987
00:49:29,921 --> 00:49:32,361
Speaker 4: Obviously they're not helpful, and I wish they just go

988
00:49:32,441 --> 00:49:33,801
Speaker 4: do something else with their time.

989
00:49:34,441 --> 00:49:36,241
Speaker 1: But I've spent.

990
00:49:36,961 --> 00:49:40,801
Speaker 4: Hours and hours and hours worth of interviews recently, you know,

991
00:49:40,881 --> 00:49:44,241
Speaker 4: doing my best to convince people that those two possibilities

992
00:49:44,641 --> 00:49:46,441
Speaker 4: are just not possibilities.

993
00:49:46,841 --> 00:49:50,961
Speaker 2: When the ship docked, did any of your family or

994
00:49:51,041 --> 00:49:54,081
Speaker 2: anybody go to the front when people were coming off

995
00:49:54,521 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: to see if she was walking off.

996
00:49:56,961 --> 00:50:02,521
Speaker 4: No, what happened was that the ship's security asked that

997
00:50:02,641 --> 00:50:06,121
Speaker 4: we returned to our cabin while they performed a search

998
00:50:06,161 --> 00:50:10,721
Speaker 4: and they would come to us. I think back, and

999
00:50:09,401 --> 00:50:15,361
Speaker 4: I wish that one of us would have done that.

1000
00:50:15,681 --> 00:50:17,841
Speaker 4: We did what we did. We're dealing with security, we're

1001
00:50:17,881 --> 00:50:20,761
Speaker 4: dealing with the captain. They request that we go back

1002
00:50:20,801 --> 00:50:23,761
Speaker 4: to our room, and there we sat for a while

1003
00:50:23,841 --> 00:50:26,081
Speaker 4: waiting for thee See.

1004
00:50:26,081 --> 00:50:27,721
Speaker 2: Even that to me is a red flag. But what

1005
00:50:27,881 --> 00:50:29,921
Speaker 2: they say to you go back to your room, Like,

1006
00:50:30,401 --> 00:50:31,681
Speaker 2: why are they telling you to go back to your

1007
00:50:31,721 --> 00:50:34,441
Speaker 2: room when you you've got to find your daughter, your sister,

1008
00:50:34,561 --> 00:50:36,321
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I don't. I just don't get that. Well,

1009
00:50:36,361 --> 00:50:38,241
Speaker 2: why would they. You're the ones who are going to

1010
00:50:38,281 --> 00:50:40,441
Speaker 2: find them the most, because you know what she looks like,

1011
00:50:40,721 --> 00:50:44,001
Speaker 2: You're more aware of where she could be. That is

1012
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:45,001
Speaker 2: another red flag.

1013
00:50:45,841 --> 00:50:48,241
Speaker 4: And that's a big kick yourself in the ass kind

1014
00:50:48,241 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: of moment when you think back and you we should

1015
00:50:51,001 --> 00:50:54,521
Speaker 4: have refused, we should have kept on looking around, but

1016
00:50:54,561 --> 00:50:56,401
Speaker 4: you know, at that time and it had been a

1017
00:50:56,481 --> 00:51:00,561
Speaker 4: couple hours, we'd pretty much exhausted anywhere there was that

1018
00:51:00,601 --> 00:51:04,641
Speaker 4: we had access to the look and you know, later

1019
00:51:04,681 --> 00:51:08,121
Speaker 4: we find out that, you know, again, after forty eight hours,

1020
00:51:08,121 --> 00:51:10,881
Speaker 4: they make an announcement, They put up the flyers, they

1021
00:51:10,921 --> 00:51:14,081
Speaker 4: did what's called a Charlie drill, where they apparently actually

1022
00:51:14,121 --> 00:51:16,081
Speaker 4: searched the entire ship at this point.

1023
00:51:16,961 --> 00:51:19,721
Speaker 2: So two days later they decided to do this.

1024
00:51:20,641 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, and ever did a mustard drill?

1025
00:51:25,121 --> 00:51:26,681
Speaker 4: You know, like I explained to you when we first

1026
00:51:26,721 --> 00:51:29,921
Speaker 4: get on the boat, everybody standing there roll call.

1027
00:51:30,121 --> 00:51:30,921
Speaker 1: That didn't happen.

1028
00:51:31,641 --> 00:51:35,441
Speaker 4: And you know, the actual search of the ship, which

1029
00:51:36,041 --> 00:51:41,401
Speaker 4: still isn't what they claim, was crew members searching their

1030
00:51:41,441 --> 00:51:44,641
Speaker 4: own quarters. So you have the fox in the henhouse.

1031
00:51:45,161 --> 00:51:49,961
Speaker 4: If crew members are involved, what the hell find? We

1032
00:51:50,081 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: have number of passengers that confirm that no one ever

1033
00:51:53,481 --> 00:51:56,321
Speaker 4: searched their room. So I don't know what they what

1034
00:51:56,361 --> 00:51:58,561
Speaker 4: they did and what they didn't do. Again, I don't

1035
00:51:58,561 --> 00:52:02,361
Speaker 4: think they were really interested in getting to the bottom

1036
00:52:02,401 --> 00:52:02,641
Speaker 4: of it.

1037
00:52:02,681 --> 00:52:04,561
Speaker 1: They had other people to feed.

1038
00:52:04,601 --> 00:52:07,921
Speaker 2: You know, it was did the FBI ever search yellows root.

1039
00:52:08,881 --> 00:52:12,121
Speaker 4: I don't know, you don't know there, I assume, I mean,

1040
00:52:12,161 --> 00:52:16,401
Speaker 4: obviously you assume they would, but we don't know they So.

1041
00:52:17,361 --> 00:52:20,521
Speaker 2: The people who are all the documentary, these this FBI people,

1042
00:52:21,161 --> 00:52:23,481
Speaker 2: they'd like to talk it up like they did, but

1043
00:52:23,601 --> 00:52:26,401
Speaker 2: they won't explain anything to you, like what was like

1044
00:52:26,481 --> 00:52:29,041
Speaker 2: the search on the the hell?

1045
00:52:30,161 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: I mean you think, I guarantee you we've we've done

1046
00:52:33,481 --> 00:52:36,441
Speaker 4: more work than they have, and if along the way

1047
00:52:36,601 --> 00:52:41,481
Speaker 4: they could have shared and or collaborated with us, and

1048
00:52:41,561 --> 00:52:44,081
Speaker 4: all the things that we'd found, combined with all the

1049
00:52:44,121 --> 00:52:47,481
Speaker 4: things that they know. You know, maybe something would be different,

1050
00:52:47,561 --> 00:52:50,761
Speaker 4: but that's not how they work apparently, So you know,

1051
00:52:50,801 --> 00:52:53,721
Speaker 4: it's been a very this is going to be the

1052
00:52:53,761 --> 00:52:58,161
Speaker 4: understatement of the year, but a very frustrating experience to

1053
00:52:58,241 --> 00:52:59,481
Speaker 4: deal with them over the years.

1054
00:53:00,401 --> 00:53:03,401
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to Part one with Brad Bradley. Next week,

1055
00:53:03,481 --> 00:53:07,761
Speaker 3: Brad shares his insights about Amy's disappearance, the investigation, and

1056
00:53:07,841 --> 00:53:09,361
Speaker 3: the lasting impact on his family.

1057
00:53:26,641 --> 00:53:26,681
Speaker 4: M