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Speaker 1: I've got about four lower octaves are going on right now, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: as you can hear. What are your thoughts? Do you

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm sure there's people out there that

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Speaker 2: Actually I sent two for a message to see if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people have got it, a lot

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Speaker 1: You sold, your on, sold, You're on. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: Well we're having a chat. And when I say we're

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Speaker 1: You're heading off soon, you're going away. We won't say

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, one last conversation before I jump on a plane

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Speaker 2: this evening actually, so I'm a bit excited about that.

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Speaker 2: But what I've been listening to recently, I've been down

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool, and he.

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Speaker 2: Has raised this question about friendship, and obviously, with him

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Speaker 2: that within a lot of self help educational self development spaces,

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Speaker 1: My friends, they maybe come to me for guidance more

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Do you think well in terms of being

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Speaker 1: all that, and when I'm really good with getting nice feedback,

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00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: but then when it's over the top, I'm like, nah,

431
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: that's that's too much. I get uncomfortable. But like, for example,

432
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: when I go away wherever to Perth or you know,

433
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: Goldie or wherever and interstate, and I'm away for a

434
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: couple of days or even three days, depending on what

435
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and the only time I'm in front of

436
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: people or talking to people is when i'm actually doing

437
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: the work. But I might be there for seventy two

438
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: hours and in seventy two hours I might have four

439
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: hours of work depending on what my schedule is. Right.

440
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I love those trips. I love those trips because nobody

441
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: not that I'm anybody special, but like I wherever I go,

442
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: nobody knows me. You know, every now and then someone

443
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: goes is that you harps you know, oh, longtime listener,

444
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: first time caller, you know all that, and it's great

445
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: and I'm very appreciative and humbled and all of that.

446
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: And I'll you know, talk to them and give them

447
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: a harg if they want one, and take a selfie

448
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: if they want one, and all that stuff that I

449
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: don't know why on earth anyone would want a selfie

450
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: with me, but they do, and all that stuff's great.

451
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's no if that was out of my life,

452
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't miss that, like all the you know, the

453
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: attention stuff like I'm you know, but yeah, I enjoy it.

454
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: But I'm more like I had to do a gig

455
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: the other day for it doesn't matter. But it was

456
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: at the Junction Oval here in Victoria, which is the

457
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: home of cricket Victoria to talk for two and a

458
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: half hours to this big group of leaders and I

459
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: got paid really well. That don't matter in a minute

460
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: when I blame what happened. So I got up and

461
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: I've got I've got some issues at the moment with

462
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: my U station tubes and hearing and ear blocking. And

463
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: it's like, honestly and yeah, I think you know, I

464
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: never took, but it's fucking hard because sometimes both of

465
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: my ears block. So I got up to talk and

466
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I was talking from nine till after eleven, and both

467
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: of my double ear block happened five minutes to nine,

468
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: and I'm talking at nine. So what happens is you

469
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: hear your voice booming in your head. It's like literally,

470
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: you've got I don't know, your ears plugged up with

471
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: like I don't know, chewing gum or something, thirty seven pieces.

472
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: Then someone's taped gaffer tape over your ears, and then

473
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: they've put sauce pans on your ears, right so you

474
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: can't really hear what people are saying. It's quite muffled.

475
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: But also at the sime, like if that was happening

476
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: right now, which it's not, I can just sit and

477
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: be still, and I can tell you my heart rate

478
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: because I can hear my heart in my head. I

479
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: can hear my heart beating quite loud in my head.

480
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: That's how blocked it is. And then you can't get

481
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: there like you're the guy presenting. You're the guy and

482
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: they paid plenty of money and you're there and you're

483
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: the high performance guy and you're the guy who's going

484
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: to talk to him about performing under pressure and you

485
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: know and resilience and adaptability, and you can't go, oh fuck,

486
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: I can't go with this. You've just got to do it.

487
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: And it's extremely difficult. And at the end of the day,

488
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: I was for that particular gig. This is me being

489
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: raw and vulnerable. I was so upset because I just

490
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I did a very good job, but

491
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I could fucking hear and I didn't care about if

492
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: they said to me, Craig, you can do that again

493
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: with no block, DearS, but we're going to pay you.

494
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I would absolutely take that. I would rather do one

495
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: where I could hear everything but for no money, rather

496
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: than get the money and not do what I think

497
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: is the best job that I can do. I don't

498
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: know how we got to hear, but yeah, so that

499
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: was you know, dealing with that shit is it's and

500
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: these are all first world problems. It's not cancer. It's

501
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: not you know, nobody died. But yeah, it's just that

502
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: shit where you got to try to self manage as

503
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: well as you can.

504
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: So was there any feedback that day.

505
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, they liked it, but you know, I mean,

506
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't a train wreck. But I don't think it

507
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: was brilliant. You know, well, it wasn't brilliant. It wasn't

508
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: a train wreck. And I did the best that I could.

509
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: But also the week before I did a whole day,

510
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: a whole day talking with one ear blocked in Mildura,

511
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: so I spoke for eight hours. But yeah, there's just

512
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: been so I've been having ongoing tests and seeing nts

513
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: and doctors and and you know, the last the last

514
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: few weeks on Planet Harps has been pretty interesting from

515
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: a clinical point of view, trying to get shit sorted

516
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: out and figure out like this myriad of symptoms, you know,

517
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: what's going on, and down to the point where I

518
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: haven't shared this, fuck it, I may as well tell

519
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: you've just opened the door. I was absolutely positive that

520
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I had diabetes. Like there's twelve major symptoms. I had eleven.

521
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: I'd eleven and and anyway, so I just went into

522
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the dock and he goes, what's going on. I think

523
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: I've got diabetes and he goes why, and I said,

524
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: I've got this, this, this, this, this, this, this this this,

525
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: and he goes, sounds like, you've got diabetes. Is there

526
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: any history of it in a family? I went, yep,

527
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: my old man and he goes, well, it's probably that,

528
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: and we did all my blood tests not that. And

529
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, fuck, maybe it's like you know,

530
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: pross the old man's stuff, like PSA, which is the

531
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: hormone they measure to Have you ever heard of that

532
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: You probably don't need to anyway, It's a hormone that

533
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: they measure that kind of tells you whether or not

534
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: you've got a problem or not. Not all good. I'm like,

535
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: well that's good, but still, what the fuck is it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

536
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: So I think it just comes down to this infection

537
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: that I have in my head, which I only started.

538
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I only found that out yesterday that I had one

539
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: side of my sinus is totally blocked, like totally blocked

540
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: and probably infected, well, definitely infected. So I started antibiotics

541
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: for that yesterday. But that was the first and also

542
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: I can explain you know, like the tiredness, the like

543
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: a you know, lack of energy, and like a bunch

544
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: of other things. You know, So hopefully that's that. So

545
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: we're treating it right now. So I'll be bursting out

546
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: on my fucking flannel shirt soon, well hopefully.

547
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: But it's I think it's so interesting that we're on

548
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: the podcast called that You Project, and here you are

549
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: in everything that you talk about in terms of performing

550
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: under pressure. You have literal physical pressure in your head

551
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: at the moment. Yeah, and you're still pushing through all

552
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: of it and doing what you need to do because

553
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: this is this is your world. Yes, So you're absolutely

554
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: right now the epitome of everything that you talk about.

555
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Ah maybe, but thank you. I mean, look, there are

556
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: times when people and my life is great. I'm blessed.

557
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: This is not me winging. Most of the time in

558
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: my life, I feel somewhere between you know, good and

559
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: fucking great, but of late not. And so it's you know,

560
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to be disingenuous, and you don't want

561
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: to lie to people, but I don't want to open

562
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the door, you know with every person who goes, oh

563
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: how are you, and I go, so I just go, yeah,

564
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: pretty good. What about you? I just deflect and turn

565
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: it around. It's not that I don't want to be

566
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to know anything, but I go,

567
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: what's the value in this conversation for them? In this moment?

568
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, here's me, all right, let's take

569
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of your life away by me telling you

570
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: about my bullshit. It doesn't really help you. But yeah,

571
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: when you feel you know, I always talk in like

572
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: numbers and stuff, but when you feel like a three

573
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: out of ten in terms of even cognitive function, your

574
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: ability to you know, think clearly, articulate things, recall things

575
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, and then operational operationalize all of that into

576
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: like sentences and conversations in a meaningful way, that's a

577
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: bit interesting and inspiring. Oh, when your brain's not working

578
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: because you've got an infection in your head, it's like

579
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: going for a swim in fucking desert boots and a

580
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: lumberjacket or something. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, I

581
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: can swim, but it's almost impossible. Yeah, could I swim

582
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: to the other end of the pool in these jeans

583
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: and these boots in this jacket? Well, if I had to,

584
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: But you know so, but today I feel a little better.

585
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I feel I feel improved on what I have. So

586
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: hopefully it's the antibiotics.

587
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: Well, fingers crossed. But see, I also think too that

588
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 2: if I'm of the belief that I want people in

589
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: my life, that when I ask them, you know, how

590
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 2: are you, they know that I'm genuinely asking and wanting

591
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: to know, and so tell me that you know. Well, actually,

592
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: today I'm feeling a bit shit. And you know the

593
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: reverse when one of my close friends asks me, well,

594
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: it's because they genuinely they want to know, and I

595
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: forget where I think. It was probably one of my

596
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: oldest friends, you know, my oldest friend. I've known him

597
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: for I think twenty five years, and so he's seen

598
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: many different versions of me, and he was like, when

599
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: I ask, I'm asking because I want to know. So

600
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: if you're not feeling great, tell me you're not feeling great.

601
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: I don't need for you to to pretend or to

602
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: be a certain way, or for you to think that

603
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: I want you to be a certain way. I just

604
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: genuinely want to know.

605
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's funny. I've got a bunch of mates,

606
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: but there's probably you know, like so My oldest mate

607
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: is Vin, and the guy I train with every day

608
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: is the Crab, and another one of my mates is Greg. Right,

609
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: all of those dudes I know would do anything for me.

610
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: Yep.

611
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask it of them, but they'd do anything

612
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: for me. And that's nice, you know. But it's I

613
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: heard this interesting thing yesterday and it was when women talk,

614
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: and it's about you know, when women talk, you know, talk,

615
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: it's face to face. When men talk it's shoulder to shoulder. Yep.

616
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: It's like sitting side by side, or going to war together,

617
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: or driving together, or playing fucking rugby when you're in

618
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: a scrum together, or you know, just like sitting in

619
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: the back of a ute looking at the ocean, you know,

620
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: just it's more side by side to communication because we

621
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: don't want to look at each other. We don't have

622
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: that emotional level of depth that women can do that comfortably.

623
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Blokes are like, fuck, is it hot in here? Yeah?

624
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: So I thought that's not true for every male and

625
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: every female of course, but I'm pretty comfy staring someone

626
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: in the face and telling him I love him. But yeah,

627
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of dudes, you know, like

628
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: the Crab, as you you know the crab cop quite well.

629
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: He is. He would do anything for me, but trying

630
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: to get a hug out of him is like trying

631
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: to fucking get blood out of a stone. It's very

632
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: he's very very. In fact, what he did was for

633
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: my sixtieth birthday, he came up to me and, like

634
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: I've asked him for a huge a thousand times, He's

635
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: not into it. You want to hug me, he goes, nah,

636
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: I go, what about just like I just hug you

637
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: a little bit from the side, right, You don't have

638
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: to hug me back, but just like a quarter hug

639
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: where I kind of sneak up like a hugging ninja

640
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: and I just before you. He's like, no, right, he's

641
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: fucking emotionally inept. But he came up to me on

642
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: my birthday and goes, all right, I go what And

643
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: he's like all right, I go what. He goes, Happy birthday,

644
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: and he hugged me and it almost made me cry.

645
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, what a sacrifice that is

646
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: for the non hugger.

647
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's a beautiful thing.

648
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, it's just I'm like, fuck, I love that hug. Yeah, yeah,

649
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, And Vin, who's my best mate, oldest mate.

650
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: You know, he's like a fucking Yogi bear. He just

651
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: wraps me up. He's like big, strong unit. It doesn't

652
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: even if you don't want to hug, you're getting a hug.

653
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: You're getting hugged. So but I do want to hug,

654
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: like but and he goes every time I see him,

655
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And then every time he's going, he goes,

656
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: love you mate, and I go, love you too, mate,

657
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: And it's like it's so normal, it's so not awkward.

658
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: It's so and it's so authentic. But if I said

659
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: that to other friends of mine, they would not know

660
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: what to do.

661
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and this takes me back to what I

662
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: was listening to with Simon Sinek, and he said the

663
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: exact same thing that he was testing this thing with

664
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: all of his male friends. He'd hug them and say

665
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: I love you, and he said, there's like maybe nine

666
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: out of ten of these people would say it back

667
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: except for one. And so it was his mission to

668
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, wear that one down. And eventually

669
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: he said love me too.

670
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, yeah, yeah me too, Yeah me too? Or

671
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: love love ya. Punch on the arm. Punch on the arm. Yeah.

672
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting that I do this with my niece,

673
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: who I've mentioned before. She's thirteen, and you know, thirteen

674
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: knows everything, hates the world, and it's always what is

675
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: that about?

676
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: By the way, here go on, I have no idea.

677
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: I make a point of saying to her whenever I

678
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: hang up from a call, I love you, and she

679
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: will it's either eyes will roll or she'll sigh, or

680
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: she'll smile, or she'll mumble it. And now I get

681
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: texts that's just I lbue X from her, right. So

682
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: it's I'm trying to instill that in her that even

683
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: if she's only getting it from me, that it's it's

684
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: safe and it's okay for her to say that. And

685
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: so when she's when she's in a really good mood,

686
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: I get like maybe a big bubble, you know, I

687
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: love you, And then you know she's not the mood

688
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: I love you, but it's still there, and it's quite

689
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: nice because it's coming from her.

690
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: One hundred like that that one hug that the crab

691
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: gave me, you know, it's like worth one hundred hugs

692
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: from someone else because it's like a fucking you know,

693
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: this is a unicorn. This is this is a rarity,

694
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, this is a gift. I think also too

695
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: with the I love you is, I think that like,

696
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: I would never try to. I might fuck around because

697
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot, but I'd never genuinely try to. And

698
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting you were, but co were someone into

699
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: saying something just because you want them to say that.

700
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I'm saying it to you, you should

701
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: say it back to me. It's like, well, no, no,

702
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: we don't know. Yeah, you don't create the rules for everything.

703
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: It's like, if you love her or if I love him,

704
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I love you, mate, cool. And if you never say

705
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: it back, that's one hundred percent okay. And even if

706
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: you're mad at me, I still love you, even if

707
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: you think I'm a dickhead, I still love you. Are

708
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: always going to be here for you the end. Yeah.

709
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: So I think there's that awareness to that piece that

710
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: comes in. Yeah.

711
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know that's pretty much the basis for friendship, right,

712
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Like the understanding that even if you do fuck up,

713
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: even if you are a decade, even if you do

714
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: something stupid, as long as as you said, as long

715
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: as it's not unforgivable, that love, that genuine love, love

716
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: is always there. And that's that to me is the difference.

717
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: And I think I'll go on.

718
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just think that, you know, it's that surrounding

719
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: yourself with the right people, Like if you if you

720
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: surround yourself myself with the right people, if you choose

721
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: the right people to let into your little world, then

722
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: hopefully you get that.

723
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: I was going to say something. I might get back

724
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: to it, but while you're saying that, I was thinking,

725
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, you choose the right person or they choose bubbah,

726
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: but that's all cool. Do you think friendships have a

727
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: use by date or some of them? Yes? Yes, what

728
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: how do you how do you know when? And it's

729
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: not that necessarily they're terrible and but you got I

730
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: don't know. This kind of feels like it's just about

731
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: petered itself out. It's not that I hate them or

732
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: dislike them, but for whatever reason, I don't have the

733
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: same drive to spend time with them or hang out

734
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: with them. You know, if they needed something, I'd be there.

735
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: But it feels like it's kind of run its race.

736
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: What what are your thoughts about that? Yeah?

737
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think when if it's noticeable that values have changed.

738
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Then yeah, sure.

739
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: I mean there's always kind of particularly with longer friends,

740
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: there's always history and you kind of go, okay, well,

741
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: I've known them since you know, dot and there's things

742
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: that they've done for me or I've done for them,

743
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: or they've been, you know, an integral part of my

744
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: life at a certain point. But we're now different phases,

745
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: and you know that might swing back around, you know,

746
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: you might reconnect, which has happened. But yeah, I think

747
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: certainly that there's people that are right for you at

748
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: certain times that don't necessarily stay with you on the rest.

749
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: Of the journey.

750
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Mm I wrote a post I'm trying to remember. It

751
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: was like it says something like, when you're not paying attention,

752
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I'll be saying nice things behind your back. And then

753
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: it says actual friends do that, and I'm like, yeah,

754
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that when when somebody comes

755
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: to me, not for my ego, but they just went,

756
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know who loves you and it's

757
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: like just pumping, I'm like, yeah, that makes me obviously,

758
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: that makes you feel good, right, But I've also had

759
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: people come to me, is this guy your friend or

760
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: because he was running you down, or I'm like, really,

761
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: what did he say? Yeah, well, you know, I don't

762
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: want to make any troth. I'm like, that's cool, just

763
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I wouldn't go up to the person

764
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: and say anything, but it's like, yeah, that's interesting, that's interesting.

765
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: And I think there's this I think sometimes we mistake

766
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: proximity or situational interactions with friendship. It's like, oh, we

767
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: happen to see this person quite a lot because of

768
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: the context or the situation or the job, or and

769
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: maybe you are friends, but maybe you're not. Maybe you

770
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: just see each other a lot and you kind of

771
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: know each other a bit, but you know, yeah, I

772
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: think that mistaking like friendship with you know, how often

773
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: you interact with a person may or may not be indicative.

774
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, there like there are people that I used

775
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: to think. I don't want to sound like Winjy Winster,

776
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: but I for a long time thought we're pretty good friends.

777
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: And then they're kind of almost a point in our

778
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: journey as people who knew each other. The context changed

779
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't figure this out till later. And what

780
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: changed was, all of a sudden, I wasn't valuable to them.

781
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: And then when I was no longer valuable, when I

782
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: was no longer a good strategic alliance because I made

783
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: I could what open doors for them or give them

784
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: something or help them with something. When I was no

785
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: longer any value than they dropped me. And then there

786
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: are still people now. Obviously I would never say who,

787
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: but there are still people now that are in my phone,

788
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: and I only ever hear from them ever when they

789
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: want something and that name or one of the names

790
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: will come up. I go, oh, this will be great,

791
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: this will be great. And so they're, oh, man, how

792
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: you mean it's been a long time. I was just

793
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. You just popped into my head. And

794
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: then there's three or four minutes of look, while I've

795
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: got you, do you reckon you? Could? You know? Do

796
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: you have such an do you have a contact for

797
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: such and such? Did you? And it's like that whole

798
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: four minute preamble. I feel like going, Okay, I know

799
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 1: what you're going to do. That's cool, So let's cut

800
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: out the preamble and just ask me what it is

801
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: you want to ask me. Because you rang me, you

802
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: didn't ring to see how I am. I'm not mad

803
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: about that. I'm not pissed off. I'm not resentful. I

804
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: just know what's going on. I wouldn't do this because

805
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: it's a bit pricky, but I feel like it. I

806
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: feel like, God, yeah, let's let's bypass all of that.

807
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Ask me what you want to ask me, and then

808
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: we'll have a sixty second phone call, and then in

809
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: three years when you ring me again, we'll do the same. Yeah,

810
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: you know.

811
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I don't feel like that's a bit pricky.

812
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: I think it. Actually, it really gives me the shits

813
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: when people just do things like that, Hey, you're You're

814
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: convenient for something that I need, so I'm going to

815
00:45:53,800 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: ask you. I'm very selective with who gets my time

816
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 2: and my energy, and that is you know, comes from

817
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: being burnt. And maybe it's you know, the introverted side

818
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: as well, because it previously had taken a lot to

819
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: push myself out there and trust people and become friends

820
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: with people. So once I've been burnt, then sorry, not

821
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: happening again.

822
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard because you know, I've spoken too many

823
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: times about people that have done some shitty things to

824
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: me over the years, and obviously the majority of my

825
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: interactions with people have been good, Right, So this is

826
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: this is not you know, this is a minority, but

827
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: it's happened quite a lot over four decades of working

828
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. But you just get to the point where

829
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: you know you don't. It's like, I don't need another

830
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: person in my life. I'm happy to you know, I

831
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: don't like it's good. I'm good. I don't need more

832
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: people at the Craig table. Doesn't mean I'll never have

833
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: new friends or of course not. But if something happens organically, cool,

834
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: But I'm not proactively out there trying to fill my

835
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: dance card with new people, you know what I mean.

836
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: So head off tonight we're recording this. It's nearly three o'clock.

837
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: What times your flight?

838
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Ten fifty five tonight. We are taking off to Italy

839
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: for a friend's birthday.

840
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: So wow, Yeah, it must be a good friend, because

841
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: that's that's quite the investment. Very good friend.

842
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: And it's interesting. So more so, this is my wife's

843
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: best friend. So you have known each other for a

844
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: very long time, and they have a very beautiful friendship

845
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: that has now extended to me. And there's a group

846
00:47:53,160 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: of us going and they're all just they're very lovely people.

847
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: So there's a really good energy with the group. We

848
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: all get along quite nicely. I think we all get

849
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: along quite nicely. Like my perception of the interactions is

850
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: that we all get along quite nicely. So yeah, it's

851
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: it is a testament to friendship that you and the

852
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: flip side of me saying that if someone has you know,

853
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: burnt me, then that's it. I'm done. The flip side

854
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: is that if I genuinely love someone, then I'll do

855
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: anything for them, you know, that's it in for life,

856
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: whatever you need. So it's yeah, and it's just it's

857
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: it's really nice to have been invited and to be

858
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: able to go on this incredible adventure with them.

859
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: Isn't it nice to meet people that don't live remotely

860
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: in your sphere, your world, your social kind of setting,

861
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: and their ace and you don't know anything about almost

862
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: the way they live or how it you know, what's

863
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: it like living in the middle of nowhere? What's it

864
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: like not having electricity? Or what's it like getting your

865
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: water from where and then filtering it? Or what's it like?

866
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, just lately I've spoken with a few people

867
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: who are just so different, not better or worse, but

868
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: just so different, and their life and their lifestyle and

869
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: everything is so to me weird, but to them totally normal.

870
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: And when I tell people what I do, like the

871
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: people who don't know me, and they're like, okay, so

872
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: what do you talk to people about? And I tell

873
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: them and they're like ah, and you know people who

874
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: are totally They're like okay, and so, but how do

875
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: you make money? And I well, they pay me, so

876
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: so you go and work for an hour. I'm like yeah,

877
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: Well they're like, how do you make money from that?

878
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: Because they're thinking, well, even a good Holley rates like

879
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: seventy or eighty dollars, but if you only do three

880
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: of those a week, how are you going to male

881
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: two of those a week? Or And You're like, yeah,

882
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: it's not eighty dollars, you know it's And I don't

883
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: tell them that. It's like, yeah, trying to understand this

884
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: and pursuant to this, and this is a complete left turn.

885
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: But I think I want you to send the message

886
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: me a message after you do what I'm going to

887
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: ask you to do if you do it now. So Theovon,

888
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: who's a weirdo, you know who he is? Though, Okay,

889
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: so Theovon's got one of the top podcasts in the world.

890
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: It's in the top five now. He is born and

891
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: raised in the South, I think Missouri or Alabama or Louisiana,

892
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: maybe Alabama. But he's like what you would call a redneck,

893
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: or we would call out here a bogan, but a

894
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: lovable bogan. He's got you know, he's got the skin,

895
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: the head, he's got the mullet, and he's just he's

896
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: a really he's actually hit. It's smart and insightful. But

897
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: if you just listen to him and be like, how

898
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: dumb is this bloke? Like he gets his words muddled,

899
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: and you know, the word he's trying to find, but

900
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: he uses the wrong word in the sense but it

901
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: sounds like the word but it isn't the word right anyway.

902
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: And the interview is like and he doesn't, he doesn't.

903
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: Who did he have on? I think it was like,

904
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: not Matt Damon. It was the dude who did the

905
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: accountant one and two, Ben Affleck, right, So he had

906
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck on and it must have been a pr

907
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: thing where and Ben Affleck was fine. He was just

908
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 1: talking to him and he's like, so, tell me about

909
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: this movie. And he's like, well, the Accountant too, and

910
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: he goes us. So there was another one like this

911
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: is you got fucking Ben Affleck on your show? Do

912
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: you not think that you would like at least read

913
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: for five minutes? He didn't even know that there was

914
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: an original movie like The Accountant, so he's just out

915
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: there anyway. The other day he had this what I

916
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: want you to listen to if you're insted. Also you

917
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: two listeners if you want. Some of you will absolutely

918
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: love it and some of you will be like this

919
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: is boring. I fucking loved it. So THEO interviewed this

920
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: kid who is Amish, I mean full on Amish. So

921
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: do you know what amish is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So

922
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: no electricity, no hot water, no hot showers, no cars,

923
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: no motorbikes, no no pushbikes, no television, no radio, no nothing. Right,

924
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: So this dude's never like he's grown up. It might

925
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: as well be the tenth century. Like he's grown up traveling,

926
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, getting around on horses on horseback and horse

927
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: and buggies and you know, building barns and farms and

928
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: growing crops and you know all of that cultivating and

929
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: da da da and going to school in the community

930
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: where you just you know, you finish school at year

931
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: eight and then you work, right, and this is twenty

932
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: twenty five, like you finish school in year eight. They

933
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: never go to public schools full on. And THEO, who's

934
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: just this kind of you know, wide eyed, innocent, kind

935
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: of asking him these great questions and it was just

936
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: so funny. It was like, oh my god. It's like

937
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: two people literally, like two people from different centuries having

938
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: a conversation. And Theo's like, so what happens, you know,

939
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: like when you become a teenager and you know guys

940
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: girls like and his kids like, what do you mean?

941
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, he's like no, and he's like, ah, okay,

942
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: well you know, like do the teachers or your parents

943
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: ever talked to you about sex? Or he goes, oh no,

944
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: we don't do that. Right. He's like like a you know,

945
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: I think he might be eighteen now, but he still

946
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: lives in the thing. But they have this on the farm.

947
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: But they have this it's like a year or two

948
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: where the kids, once they get to I think it's

949
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: sixteen and a half, they're allowed to head out into

950
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: the big wide worlds yes, and to see if they

951
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: want to be amish and two and some don't come back,

952
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: but most come back and they're like, fuck, it's shit

953
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: out there, I'd rather be here. But yeah, and so

954
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: he's on I forget the name of it. He's on

955
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: this kind of get out of jail card that they

956
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: have for a year or two, and then some of

957
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: them come home in two months, some of them stay

958
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: out the whole time, come home. Some of them don't

959
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: come back per se. But it's just fascinating listening to

960
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: this kid about you know, how he builds houses and

961
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: trains trains horses and you know, like Ceo had like

962
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: he'd never had a can of this stuff, like soft

963
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: drink stuff he didn't know. He didn't know how to

964
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: open a can of soft drink. Yeah, of course, not

965
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: like that. It's just like they've lived in another century.

966
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: And then you know he's you know, not seen movies.

967
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: He's not seen and he was trying to explain to

968
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: him the game charades or charades, you know, where you

969
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: go so you pick a movie titly he goes, and

970
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: the kids just like he goes, you've never seen a movie.

971
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, he's never seen a movie. Like yeah,

972
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: so cool, but it was just it was a fascinating listen.

973
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's just go back a few episodes. Everybody

974
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: or anybody he wants to listen to it. You might

975
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: hate it, but I really liked it it kind of yeah,

976
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: it's just for me that that that kind of interaction

977
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: of two vastly different, different human beings but equally as

978
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: fascinated with one another.

979
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, so, what's your challenge for me that

980
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: I need to message you about after?

981
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: Well, no, I just want you to watch or listen, listen, listen. Yeah,

982
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: just download it, listen on the plane or whenever if

983
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: you want, and then send me a message because you

984
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: might go yeah nah, or you might go loved it,

985
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: or you might go there. I just like to because

986
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: I really liked it. And I thought, maybe that's just

987
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: because I'm weird, Like there's stuff that I really like

988
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: that no one else likes, and then stuff that people love.

989
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't get it. I don't see it.

990
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: It's like so to me, manufactured and bullshitty and cheesy

991
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: and choreographed, and it's like, this is not organic, this

992
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: is not real, this is this isn't a monologue or

993
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: an act or this is people role playing being genuine,

994
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: but this is like this is it's so genuine, it's

995
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: awkward and clumsy. Excellent. I love that.

996
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to challenge me to find

997
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: someone rand in a small village somewhere and ask them

998
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: something when there's a language barrier or something like that.

999
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: So I was like, shit, speaking of that, did you

1000
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: see that Apple just brought out new earbuds that translate

1001
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: in real time? Yes, that's the how Manger? So what

1002
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: that means everyone and the all the three of you

1003
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: who don't know. I'm sure most of you do. But

1004
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: you can stand in a in the middle of a

1005
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody who, like Kelly, for example, is Italian.

1006
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: She's not Italian, but she's gone to Italy, and they

1007
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: can be talking English Italian. You can be talking English

1008
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: and it's both getting translated both ways for you, so

1009
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: you're both hearing it in your own language and talking

1010
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: pretty much in real time. That's fucking incredible.

1011
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: Isn't it?

1012
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: Absolute game changer? Yeah. Look, I'm going to be the

1013
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: most Australian Australian when I'm over there because my pronunciation

1014
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: is awful. I we're frantically trying to learn and a

1015
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: few phrases. Thankfully, we have an Italian in the group

1016
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: with us and he is delightful, so he will be

1017
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: doing the bulk of it for us. But yeah, when

1018
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: we're on our own, we're dreading how how Aussie we're

1019
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: going to sound.

1020
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: Are you on WhatsApp? Yes? Yeah, so that means you

1021
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: can text me, right? Yeah?

1022
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1023
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: Cool? All right. Probably should have asked you that offair.

1024
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Hey, you have a great trip.

1025
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, and you get better soon.

1026
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: I will. I'm on the mend. This has been very therapeutic.

1027
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 1: When are you back or what are you? Two weeks away?

1028
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Three weeks away, three weeks away? All right, perfect, we'll

1029
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: chat when you get back. Thanks Kele, Thanks Greg.