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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Bounce Forward with me Tipple.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: on which I'm recording this podcast. There were under people

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Speaker 1: of the cooler Nation. I pay my respects to elders

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Speaker 1: past and present. Welcome back to my chat with Kate Langbrook.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get straight into it. I just love

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Speaker 1: that you went to Italy. As you know, I was

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Speaker 1: a circuit breaker. But I had to laugh when you're

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Speaker 1: you get there and you're still doing basketball and there's

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Speaker 1: so much going on, and tricked me something like twelve

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Speaker 1: hundred meals when we're in lockdown, in lockdown, like it's

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Speaker 1: still the grind doesn't stop, does it.

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Speaker 2: But one day I sat down and worked it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I went I said to my husband,

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Speaker 3: I've got to stop counting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just got it.

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Speaker 3: Well, there were six of us, we're eating three meals

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Speaker 3: a day and that adds up.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. But how was Italy? What did you bring

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Speaker 1: back to Australia from Italy? Like, what have you integrated

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Speaker 1: into your post Italy into your lot of all?

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Speaker 2: I tried to.

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Speaker 3: Be I am going to make an effort and never

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Speaker 3: leave the house in a track susion.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: That lasted probably a week, But just I think generally

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Speaker 3: the the what they do is and I've always tend

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Speaker 3: to do it anyway because my work is very social, right,

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Speaker 3: But they have a more seamless blend of their life

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Speaker 3: with their lowrie family, and so there's not this demarcation

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Speaker 3: that we've got, Like even to the point where i

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Speaker 3: said a few years ago to Hughsey, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: stop saying work friends. They're not work friends. They're friends.

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Speaker 3: They're either friends or they can be not friends. But

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Speaker 3: if they're friends, they're friends. Yes, So just to include

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Speaker 3: and I've always kind of brought all of myself to

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Speaker 3: my work anyone, yes, for better or for worse. It's

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Speaker 3: like a marriage. But that made a really big difference

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Speaker 3: to me to just go, you know what, I'm just

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Speaker 3: gonna let worlds colimb and then there's a the more

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Speaker 3: free you feel, And particularly in this climate where a

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Speaker 3: lot of people and who work in you know, this

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Speaker 3: arena being forward facing, do not feel free. They don't

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Speaker 3: feel free to say what they really think. Yes, so

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Speaker 3: people you know, kind of parrot stuff. You know that

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Speaker 3: they couldn't possibly believe because it's bullshit.

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Speaker 2: You are so you're so cool the way you just

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Speaker 2: call it.

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Speaker 1: And you've always been your authentic self in the media,

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Speaker 1: in every corner of the world. You are your authentic self.

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Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, how do you do that? Like,

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Speaker 1: for anyone struggling with their confidence or yes, well to

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Speaker 1: be authentic, how do you what advice do you have

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Speaker 1: for someone struggling with that.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: It was it was kind of I was given a

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Speaker 3: head start in a strange way because I was raised

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Speaker 3: to Jehovah's witness Yes, so I was always very other anyway,

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Speaker 3: I was very We weren't allowed to mix with, you know,

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Speaker 3: other worldly people, and everywhere we went, you know, we

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Speaker 3: lived in New Guinea and there were only we were

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Speaker 3: the only four people in the tiny town we lived

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Speaker 3: in here witnesses, so we were always other. And so

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Speaker 3: at some point, I think, though I dreamt of being

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Speaker 3: like everybody else, at some point I realized that that

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Speaker 3: was okay. So the more that you can fall in

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Speaker 3: love with yourself, and I know we all do it

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Speaker 3: and look in the mirror and saying, you know or

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Speaker 3: whatever people are telling us to do, and all those

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Speaker 3: things are great, but I think it has to start

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Speaker 3: with not being frightened of yourself and not being frightened

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Speaker 3: of your own power, and particularly women. I think you know,

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Speaker 3: every happy family I know has a very strong matriarch.

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Speaker 2: And just not be scared of stuff. And always we've always.

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Speaker 3: Been, you know, if we If I had the chance

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Speaker 3: to laugh about something or get angry, I'd rather laugh.

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Speaker 2: I don't love the angry people. I don't love the

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Speaker 2: angry women. And it's not that we don't have stuff

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Speaker 3: But seriously, who's ever had their mind changed by someone

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Speaker 3: being angry? All it does is make you put your

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Speaker 3: hackles up. But you know, I'm also a bit of

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Speaker 3: a shit stirr and I just.

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Speaker 2: Liked so much so much. I love it, and.

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Speaker 3: I love it when people do it to me, and

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Speaker 3: I love it when people change my mind about stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I really love about you is that you've never

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Speaker 1: gone victim. Like that seems really important to you, and

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Speaker 1: you actually mention it in the book that you have

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Speaker 1: a life ethos about just you know, like it is

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Speaker 1: stepping into your power rather than yes, being a victim.

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Speaker 2: And intuitively, we all know what to do yes.

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Speaker 3: And it's really just the more that you can align

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Speaker 3: yourself with what your intuition is telling you. Your intuition

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Speaker 3: is probably telling you to put down the phone unless

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Speaker 3: you're listening to this podcast, you know, and your intuition

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Speaker 3: is telling you that you need to move. And you

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Speaker 3: know that your intuition is telling you to get into

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Speaker 3: the sunshine and to get into nature, and to take

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Speaker 3: the phones off your children, yes, and to step outside

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Speaker 3: yourself and to find more joy.

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Speaker 4: To find more joy.

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Speaker 2: No one can do that for you.

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Speaker 3: And it's hard, not like times are tough, but it's

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Speaker 3: in the tough times, you know that saying that I

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Speaker 3: love that.

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Speaker 2: Good times make soft mean.

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Speaker 3: Soft mean make hard times. Hard times need hard meat, right,

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Speaker 3: And that's sort of of everybody. You need to be

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Speaker 3: resilient and not I don't mean the resilience of you know, yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: I don't mean that. I mean proper, yeah, proper matriarchal resilience.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I really respect it.

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Speaker 3: I've got a great model in my mother in law,

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Speaker 3: particularly Marie Peter's mum Yea, who's just been so great

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Speaker 3: at taking on.

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Speaker 2: Everyone.

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Speaker 3: She's got four kids and all their partners and some

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Speaker 3: of ex partners, you know me who turned out, you

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Speaker 3: know my sister in law for Thailand, you know, just

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Speaker 3: she's a remarkable woman.

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Speaker 4: Kate, thank you so much for joining me on Bounce Forward.

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Speaker 2: Ask you stuff and now no, I just you know,

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Speaker 2: you were.

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Speaker 3: The first person I ever heard use the expression bounce forward.

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Speaker 3: And it was when everyone used to talk about snapping back,

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Speaker 3: everyone snap back after Babby.

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Speaker 2: Not that they ever said it to me, but I heard.

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Speaker 3: Them, and I love the expression bounce thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 3: and the bounce I think is what you need to

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Speaker 3: find in life. And I often think to myself if

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Speaker 3: I met my husband, now, would I be attracted to him? Well,

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Speaker 3: I would be, But then I think would he be

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Speaker 3: attracted to me? And you think about the qualities that

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Speaker 3: you had as young woman, Yes, and you try to

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Speaker 3: keep some of those beautiful qualities that young women have, yes,

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Speaker 3: which is, you know, a certain levity of spirit, a

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Speaker 3: certain happiness, a certain optimism you know. Yeah, I think,

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Speaker 3: I think and you've always kind of yeah, you've always

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Speaker 3: you've always recognized the need for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's is because I think a lot has changed

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Speaker 1: in my body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's supposed to shame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but for someone like you who's always had I'm

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Speaker 3: going to say a perfect body.

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Speaker 2: I know that you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: But remember I first meet you was Angel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Angel had a good body.

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Speaker 3: Yes, protection I used to sing that to the time

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Speaker 3: when he was falling in love.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know you were there for it.

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Speaker 2: You were there for the falling of And we've been

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Speaker 2: married ten years this year.

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Speaker 1: That's Mary and then courting before that and yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know I yeah. He was like, should we get you

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Speaker 1: a boob job for your fortieth And I was like.

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Speaker 2: Nah, They're just so like gone.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think I'm really comfy in this

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Speaker 1: new body, which has changed so much with babies. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like the sense of humor, like I know

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Speaker 1: with you and Peter the same, Like just having a

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Speaker 1: sense of humor with each other. Yes, so important, having

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Speaker 1: a laugh, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Because the friendship hours are much longer hours. There's more

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Speaker 3: of them there, and there are of you know, sexual

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Speaker 3: peers or you know, exercise partners or whatever else you

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Speaker 3: do in a relationship, which is not to say that

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Speaker 3: those other things aren't essential. They are, but to find

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Speaker 3: someone that your friends with is the key. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: so I mean you don't know these things to you know, hindsight.

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Speaker 3: But how lucky, how lucky I was with Peter that is,

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Speaker 3: you know, his name means pet tross I guess in

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Speaker 3: Greek of it. And he's solid as a rock. But

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Speaker 3: he's also gorgeous and funny and.

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Speaker 4: So funny in your book, Like he said once, like

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Speaker 4: what is the good I've got some good news and

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Speaker 4: bad news, and you asked for the bad news, I think,

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Speaker 4: and then you said what's the good news?

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Speaker 1: And oh, I haven't got any And then you guys

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Speaker 1: just crack up, like just just crack up laughing, and

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Speaker 1: it's just like and that kind of summarized like just

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Speaker 1: so much like you guys. You just have such a

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Speaker 1: gorgeous it's so beautiful and your book is written, it's

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Speaker 1: so beautifully written, like the story and everything, the adventure

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Speaker 1: is fantastic. But you are such a great writer. Are

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Speaker 1: you going to write another book?

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, tell me is to to write a romance

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Speaker 3: like a classic reading the b Yeah, there's some me time, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not the writing of it, but the line in the bar.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're giving the gifts of me time.

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Speaker 3: And I want to write sort of a classic one

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Speaker 3: sure as set in Italy. Yeah, so I'm sort of

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Speaker 3: part way through that. Through that that isiting and partly

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Speaker 3: I've done it, you know, like turning what you want

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Speaker 3: to do into a job because I said to pay that.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course i'd have to go back to Italy

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Speaker 2: to write. Of course, yes, like oh yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: suppose we could. We're not this to you because I

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Speaker 2: is doing you twelve but okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's exciting.

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Speaker 2: But I don't love writing.

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Speaker 3: I'm not very disciplined with but you're very good, right,

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Speaker 3: But I love having written. I've done a lot of

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Speaker 3: quite a lot of writing, which is on for someone

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Speaker 3: who doesn't love it.

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Speaker 2: But I've got friends who are proper writers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know like you are with question that Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just just it just flows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Well I look forward to that. Don't hold

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Speaker 2: your breath on't it.

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Speaker 1: You're a busy woman and it's a long process.

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Speaker 2: But yes, looking forward to it. That's gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming in. Thank please, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening to Bounce Forward. I love having

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