WEBVTT - Credlin | 2 November 0:00:07.820 --> 0:00:11.800 Good evening. Welcome to the program. It's election eve here 0:00:11.860 --> 0:00:15.540 in Victoria, kicking off tomorrow with the official writs being issued. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.950 It's also Melbourne Cup Eve too. We'll get to that 0:00:18.110 --> 0:00:20.590 and a bit more. Just 24 hours to go before 0:00:20.610 --> 0:00:24.029 the governor issues the writs. But already today, a world 0:00:24.070 --> 0:00:27.550 of pain. Both of the big newspapers in Victoria taking 0:00:27.630 --> 0:00:31.909 labour to the cleaners over new big build allegations and 0:00:31.950 --> 0:00:34.860 more on the waste out of the Comm Games. Hundreds 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.120 of millions of dollars. I'll get you a live update 0:00:38.140 --> 0:00:40.940 from the campaign trail with our Georgie Dickerson and the 0:00:40.979 --> 0:00:43.640 Liberal leader, Jess Wilson, joins me at the desk a 0:00:43.659 --> 0:00:47.500 bit later on. Federally, too, Labor support's plummeting. The latest 0:00:47.540 --> 0:00:52.530 news poll even branding Jim Chalmers as Albanese's worst performing 0:00:52.630 --> 0:00:55.510 senior minister. And there's a few to choose from, isn't there? 0:00:55.570 --> 0:00:59.230 So that's a shocking tag for the Treasurer. Nationals leader 0:00:59.250 --> 0:01:02.710 Matt Canavan confirming today he will run for the seat 0:01:02.750 --> 0:01:07.410 of Capricornia if selected by local Nats. One Nation's got 0:01:07.450 --> 0:01:10.520 good polls there, but Pauline Hanson and James Ashby, well, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.910 they've ruled themselves out. I'll catch up with James Ashby 0:01:15.290 --> 0:01:20.470 later in the program. Plaza convicted ISIS terrorist reportedly back 0:01:20.550 --> 0:01:23.670 on the streets after the federal government failed to keep 0:01:23.709 --> 0:01:27.690 him in prison. And strong words today from Angus Taylor 0:01:28.130 --> 0:01:32.990 when asked about the prospect of convicted Australian ISIS fighters 0:01:33.470 --> 0:01:34.069 in Iraq. 0:01:35.090 --> 0:01:40.069 Australians don't want former ISIS fighters coming back to Australia. 0:01:40.650 --> 0:01:41.429 It's pretty simple. 0:01:41.970 --> 0:01:43.319 Australians.... 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:48.940 Of all persuasions, consider that those people are not fit. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.380 To be Australians. But before we get into the big 0:01:52.460 --> 0:01:55.280 issues ahead of us as a nation this week, the 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.980 collapse in trust and frustration with the Prime Minister, as 0:01:59.050 --> 0:02:02.750 evidenced today in yet another news poll, and the likely 0:02:02.910 --> 0:02:07.630 rate rise tomorrow, the 17th under Labor when the Reserve 0:02:07.670 --> 0:02:10.350 Bank meets, of course, a Melbourne Cup day, I want 0:02:10.370 --> 0:02:13.489 to return to an issue I first raised last week, 0:02:13.970 --> 0:02:17.250 which I also wrote about yesterday in my regular Sunday 0:02:17.350 --> 0:02:21.600 columns for news called Papers Across the Country. This is 0:02:21.660 --> 0:02:27.419 the Stop It Now Australia website that dangerously normalises sexual 0:02:27.540 --> 0:02:33.310 fantasies about children. Now, quietly, back in April... The Albanese 0:02:33.340 --> 0:02:38.109 government paid $ 10 million to launch a website for would-be pedophiles. 0:02:38.830 --> 0:02:43.210 And despite the outrage it's caused, the government's refusing to 0:02:43.250 --> 0:02:46.910 remove the website, instead declaring it's part of a broader 0:02:46.950 --> 0:02:51.340 strategy to reduce sexual abuse. As I said in the 0:02:51.780 --> 0:02:55.780 newspapers yesterday, I don't think I've ever had to write 0:02:55.820 --> 0:02:59.920 about something so wrong and depraved as this, but it 0:03:00.060 --> 0:03:03.880 must be exposed. I said... but you be the judge 0:03:03.940 --> 0:03:07.450 here because this is some of the content from a 0:03:07.510 --> 0:03:11.970 website that you as a taxpayer are paying for. Content 0:03:12.110 --> 0:03:16.210 like this. It says, don't beat yourself up. For many people, 0:03:16.310 --> 0:03:19.489 it simply does not feel realistic to never have sexual 0:03:19.550 --> 0:03:24.210 fantasies about children or to end masturbating to the thought 0:03:24.230 --> 0:03:29.269 of children. This is what a website that taxpayers are 0:03:29.410 --> 0:03:33.120 paying for has to say. It goes on, it says, 0:03:33.690 --> 0:03:36.470 asking you to replace a child in a fantasy with 0:03:36.510 --> 0:03:40.110 an adult may not work for you. So rather than 0:03:40.190 --> 0:03:44.350 trying and changing your sexual interest, your task is to 0:03:44.410 --> 0:03:48.190 learn how to best manage your sexual thoughts, feelings and fantasies. 0:03:48.490 --> 0:03:52.240 Now seriously, this is $ 10 million of your money and 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.020 it's being spent by the Albanese government. Where the heck 0:03:57.100 --> 0:03:59.820 is the advice on that website? I've been flashing lights. 0:04:00.380 --> 0:04:07.380 Seek urgent help. Abusing a child is a criminal offence. Now, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.460 worse still, there's a module that's linked to this Stop 0:04:11.500 --> 0:04:16.859 It Now website that all but admits pedophiles can't be helped. 0:04:17.860 --> 0:04:21.050 It reads, some people who have a sexual attraction to 0:04:21.110 --> 0:04:26.349 children want to change this attraction, the module says. There 0:04:26.410 --> 0:04:29.750 is some debate about how effective this change can be, 0:04:30.570 --> 0:04:33.990 Some might even suggest it's akin to the historical use 0:04:34.029 --> 0:04:39.790 of such practices for altering homosexual interests. Now, as I said, 0:04:39.810 --> 0:04:43.929 I've never come across anything so depraved as this funded 0:04:43.970 --> 0:04:49.100 by taxpayers. Sexual fantasies about children are a wave, it says, 0:04:49.500 --> 0:04:54.820 that will pass. Instead, the website advises would-be abusers go 0:04:54.860 --> 0:05:00.110 for a walk, do a jigsaw puzzle, close your laptop, Now, 0:05:00.130 --> 0:05:03.350 that last one's important because it all but confirms the 0:05:03.410 --> 0:05:07.870 government understands and acknowledges that there are people out there 0:05:07.890 --> 0:05:12.400 in this country abusing children online via the internet. And 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.540 this too. Compassion and self-acceptance, it says, can also be 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.420 very helpful. Having a sexual interest in children can feel 0:05:20.500 --> 0:05:27.159 lonely and you may feel that society doesn't understand your situation. Well, 0:05:27.180 --> 0:05:30.200 understand it, we do. We absolutely understand it. We understand 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.739 it and we are appalled, appalled about it, the feelings 0:05:34.779 --> 0:05:38.120 about children and the fact that there's this website that's 0:05:38.260 --> 0:05:42.859 all but normalising some of the most heinous behaviour there 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.890 is and that we're forced to fund it as taxpayers 0:05:46.610 --> 0:05:51.169 and then you've got the Albanese government defending it. But 0:05:51.210 --> 0:05:55.130 that's not where this ends. Sadly, and I say this 0:05:55.210 --> 0:05:59.500 as someone of the faith This website's the work of 0:05:59.550 --> 0:06:05.290 the Catholic group Jesuit Social Services. Now, in the past, 0:06:05.370 --> 0:06:08.690 Jesuit Social Services were known for their strong position in 0:06:08.730 --> 0:06:13.089 support of refugees. They were very much pro-boat people in 0:06:13.130 --> 0:06:16.630 the Howard era, and they support those coming out of prisons. 0:06:16.890 --> 0:06:19.839 You get my drift. A lot of social justice. But 0:06:19.900 --> 0:06:22.980 being tied up with this website seems to me, given 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:29.050 the Catholic Church's indefensible history, to be a serious lapse 0:06:29.089 --> 0:06:33.810 of judgment. Now, yes, I appreciate Jesuit social service is 0:06:33.870 --> 0:06:37.450 not run by the clergy. It's a lay organization, but 0:06:37.550 --> 0:06:42.880 clearly it's been captured here by woke church bureaucrats and 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.000 has taken a decision to run with this Stop It 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.820 Now program that's going to add, only add to the 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.020 church's poor reputational record when it comes to the crime 0:06:53.060 --> 0:06:58.080 of child sexual abuse. For years now, so many good 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:03.510 Catholics have worked tirelessly to deal with and address the past. 0:07:04.250 --> 0:07:07.910 For Jesuit social services to now be involved with this 0:07:07.970 --> 0:07:11.310 sort of website, regardless of whether or not the Royal 0:07:11.370 --> 0:07:16.050 Commission had a recommendation about self-help or not, well, I 0:07:16.090 --> 0:07:20.290 reckon that is madness because there's a big difference between 0:07:20.370 --> 0:07:23.960 calling out criminal behaviour and self-help And the sort of 0:07:24.020 --> 0:07:27.860 content I have just read to you tonight on this website. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.800 It's got to come down. And I'm not the only 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.500 one arguing for this. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.140 I got to think that maybe in 2026 we're far 0:07:38.180 --> 0:07:42.210 more enlightened in relation to the abuse of children. Well, 0:07:42.270 --> 0:07:44.710 I thought that anyway until I read a column on 0:07:44.790 --> 0:07:48.130 Sunday in the Sunday Telegraph by Peter Credlin. Now, Peter 0:07:48.150 --> 0:07:50.770 Credlin has done us a great service, a great service 0:07:50.810 --> 0:07:54.220 in revealing this story. Now, Anthony Albanese is off swanning 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.360 in the Caribbean somewhere, probably having a pina colada. Whoever's 0:07:57.420 --> 0:08:00.090 running the joint at the moment needs to stop this today. 0:08:00.970 --> 0:08:05.170 Close the site down. It's nothing more than a support 0:08:05.230 --> 0:08:08.930 site for pedophiles and thank goodness that Peter Credlin has 0:08:08.970 --> 0:08:10.030 brought it to our attention. 0:08:14.710 --> 0:08:17.520 Well, Ray Hadley, I have never had a response like 0:08:17.540 --> 0:08:23.030 this from you, my viewers. Emails into Sky News. commentary 0:08:23.130 --> 0:08:26.440 on all of the various websites that carry that column. Please, 0:08:26.510 --> 0:08:28.980 if you've got any way to contact your local MP, 0:08:29.420 --> 0:08:33.240 I want you to do it. This is not the 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.820 Australian way. Let's get the headlines now from Canberra with 0:08:36.860 --> 0:08:38.280 our political reporter, Cam Redden. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.500 Good evening. National's leader, Matt Canavan, has announced he'll run 0:08:42.540 --> 0:08:45.970 for a lower house seat in 2028, targeting the Queensland 0:08:46.010 --> 0:08:47.370 electorate of Capricornia. 0:08:47.670 --> 0:08:50.550 I'll just fight like hell to keep things going here 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.640 in Central Queensland. He's putting it all on the line. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.460 We're all putting it all on the line. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.940 All except Pauline Hanson. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.480 Am I running Capricornia? 0:08:58.500 --> 0:08:58.920 Would you? 0:08:59.420 --> 0:09:01.400 No, I'm not running Capricornia, so I'll give you a 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.460 direct answer with that one. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:03.679 No, I don't think he's got a name. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.459 I don't know. Rocky the Prop. Rocky. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:06.559 Oh, Rocky, of course. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:07.100 There you go. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.800 And while Matt Canavan shoots his shot in Central Queensland, 0:09:12.620 --> 0:09:15.300 the Prime Minister takes in the shots at a Commonwealth 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:22.130 Heads of Government cricket event in Antigua. The latest news 0:09:22.170 --> 0:09:24.830 poll has shown support for the government falling to its 0:09:25.070 --> 0:09:28.209 equal lowest level since 2022. 0:09:28.210 --> 0:09:31.349 And that Australians are losing trust in the Labor government 0:09:31.390 --> 0:09:34.150 that they voted in just 18 months ago. 0:09:34.730 --> 0:09:37.429 Cameron Redden, News 24, Canberra. 0:09:39.330 --> 0:09:41.860 Chris Ullman coming up. We'll get into that news poll. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.300 But now I want to give you a quick update 0:09:44.340 --> 0:09:47.200 on what to expect this week as the Victorian election begins. 0:09:47.740 --> 0:09:52.940 officially swings into gear tomorrow. Starting every night, we'll start tonight, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.829 but each night on the program here, we're going to 0:09:54.850 --> 0:09:57.390 check in with our reporters who'll be out amongst it 0:09:57.450 --> 0:10:00.280 on the ground with the various parties. as the leaders 0:10:00.380 --> 0:10:03.240 crisscross the state of victoria in the race to the 0:10:03.300 --> 0:10:08.340 election polling day saturday november 28th first with us tonight 0:10:08.500 --> 0:10:11.890 our news 24 reporter georgie dickerson She's joining us now 0:10:11.910 --> 0:10:14.130 from Parliament. She's had a day on the campaign bus 0:10:14.510 --> 0:10:18.170 with Labor. Georgie, welcome. Let's start with a debate, hey? 0:10:18.470 --> 0:10:20.910 We've got a debate. Not only do we have a debate, 0:10:20.929 --> 0:10:24.170 we often have one here, but this one will be historic, 0:10:24.630 --> 0:10:29.200 not just for News 24, but for any election, state 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:30.760 or federal, won't it? 0:10:33.230 --> 0:10:34.230 Good evening to you, Peter. 0:10:34.270 --> 0:10:38.329 Certainly is a historic debate. Finally have that date locked in. 0:10:38.350 --> 0:10:42.680 November 17 is when four leaders will go head-to-head in 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.500 this leaders' debate, the People's Forum. So there's been a 0:10:46.500 --> 0:10:49.080 lot of debate about the debate over recent weeks. The 0:10:49.100 --> 0:10:51.439 leaders really not being able to come to an agreement 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.980 as to the type of format and who was going 0:10:54.020 --> 0:10:56.260 to be debating who. But we have had it locked 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.760 in over the weekend. We'll have Warren Pickering, One Nation's leader, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.729 Labor Premier Ben Carroll, opposition leader Jess Wilson and of 0:11:03.770 --> 0:11:06.890 course the Greens leader Ellen Sandell. They'll have to take 0:11:06.950 --> 0:11:11.090 questions from a crowd of 100 undecided voters so we 0:11:11.130 --> 0:11:13.290 can expect the audience to really be putting the hard 0:11:13.350 --> 0:11:15.609 questions to the leaders and to put the test to 0:11:15.650 --> 0:11:17.870 them about what they are going to do to change 0:11:17.929 --> 0:11:20.550 the state. Of course we can expect to hear issues 0:11:20.730 --> 0:11:23.580 surrounding crime, it's something that we've heard a lot speaking 0:11:23.620 --> 0:11:26.360 to voters on the ground, the growing debt in Victoria. 0:11:26.740 --> 0:11:29.780 as well as corruption. Of course, Peter, we've had that 0:11:29.860 --> 0:11:33.420 allegation that $ 15 billion of taxpayer funds on the big 0:11:33.540 --> 0:11:37.400 build projects has potentially gone into the hands of criminals. 0:11:37.660 --> 0:11:40.170 So they'll be put to the test on November 17, 0:11:40.170 --> 0:11:42.670 which is the day before early voting starts. 0:11:44.170 --> 0:11:45.050 Yeah, can't wait, Georgie. 0:11:45.070 --> 0:11:46.710 I'll be out there on the ground with you at 0:11:46.790 --> 0:11:49.310 the location for the debate. I'll do the show live 0:11:49.350 --> 0:11:51.880 from there. And obviously I will watch it, as we 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.339 all will. We'll do a bit of an analysis on 0:11:54.380 --> 0:11:58.760 the other side as well. Boyd Hanson was in Victoria today. 0:11:58.820 --> 0:12:01.160 They launched a website. I think there's a lot to 0:12:01.179 --> 0:12:03.300 be said about this website. Tell us more. 0:12:05.890 --> 0:12:09.410 Really transparency is at the centre of One Nation's push 0:12:09.490 --> 0:12:13.089 this election campaign and they've unveiled this prototype for a 0:12:13.130 --> 0:12:15.689 website that they want to see go live if they 0:12:15.730 --> 0:12:19.880 are to govern after November 28 or to essentially put 0:12:19.980 --> 0:12:23.880 forward all of, it's like a bank essentially, a website 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.640 to see exactly what money is going into the government 0:12:26.700 --> 0:12:30.380 and what money is going out. We saw Mark Nicholson, 0:12:30.420 --> 0:12:33.370 the Upper House candidate, going through this website today and 0:12:33.610 --> 0:12:35.829 there's a little tally at the bottom that says, during 0:12:35.850 --> 0:12:38.280 the time you've been looking at this website, this is 0:12:38.340 --> 0:12:41.280 how much money of your taxpayer dollars has been spent. 0:12:41.750 --> 0:12:43.630 It comes off the back of a pledge that they 0:12:43.690 --> 0:12:46.590 made last week. They want to see the cabinet documents 0:12:46.890 --> 0:12:50.610 released within 30 days, opposed to the tune of 30 years, 0:12:50.650 --> 0:12:52.990 which is the current standing here in Victoria. They say 0:12:53.309 --> 0:12:57.230 Victorians deserve to know what's happening behind closed doors and 0:12:57.290 --> 0:12:59.850 exactly where their taxpayer funds are going. 0:13:01.910 --> 0:13:04.530 Now, Tamara, I'm interested to know where you're going because 0:13:04.929 --> 0:13:07.350 I mentioned just before the Governor will sign, the Ritz 0:13:07.390 --> 0:13:10.910 will officially be in campaign mode. We'll also be in 0:13:11.070 --> 0:13:14.650 caretaker mode. So a bit of advice to you tonight. 0:13:14.670 --> 0:13:17.150 This is when governments do the dirty stuff. They sign 0:13:17.190 --> 0:13:20.100 all the appointments off. They spend as much money as 0:13:20.130 --> 0:13:23.380 they can. This is the last night that Labor will 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.000 hold the pen to spend our money and make the 0:13:26.020 --> 0:13:29.900 big decisions before November 28. Whatever happens, obviously, with the 0:13:29.940 --> 0:13:33.610 poll that night... But tomorrow, Georgie, where will you be? 0:13:35.809 --> 0:13:38.569 We'll certainly be holding both leaders to account, Peter. 0:13:38.670 --> 0:13:39.309 In terms of. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.500 Where the leaders will be, they're essentially remaining tight-lipped. We 0:13:42.700 --> 0:13:45.980 are expecting, despite it being Cup Day tomorrow, to have 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.840 both leaders out on the hustings still. Of course, there's 0:13:48.860 --> 0:13:51.520 not many days to go, not any days to waste 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.460 for the leaders ahead of November 28. But we can 0:13:54.500 --> 0:13:57.160 expect to hear from Premier Ben Carroll. As for the 0:13:57.210 --> 0:13:59.170 rest of the week, it's really remaining a secret. But 0:13:59.210 --> 0:14:00.350 what we can expect. 0:14:00.730 --> 0:14:00.930 on. 0:14:00.929 --> 0:14:04.070 Monday next week is the first day of the public 0:14:04.130 --> 0:14:07.670 hearings into the Royal Commission, into the construction sector here 0:14:07.710 --> 0:14:10.950 in Victoria. That will be a two-week block of hearings, 0:14:11.270 --> 0:14:13.309 and that is when we'll be able to see exactly 0:14:13.350 --> 0:14:16.530 who is going to be appearing before the Commission when 0:14:16.570 --> 0:14:19.470 we finally get that much-awaited witness list. 0:14:21.310 --> 0:14:22.550 Might even see if I can go sit in the 0:14:22.570 --> 0:14:24.650 stands and watch a bit of that myself. Georgie, thank you. 0:14:25.650 --> 0:14:28.130 Let's not forget that date for your diary too, Tuesday, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:33.680 November 17. That's the historic four-candidate People's Forum live here 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.160 on News 24. Put that in the diary. Do not 0:14:36.220 --> 0:14:37.460 miss it. As I said, I'll be there on the 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.180 show a bit later on. Of course, we're going to 0:14:39.220 --> 0:14:41.790 talk to Jess Wilson. Let's go now to News Poll, 0:14:41.910 --> 0:14:45.370 back into federal politics. Another shocker today for the Prime Minister. 0:14:45.910 --> 0:14:50.390 Labor's primary vote falling to its equal lowest level. St Anthony, Albanese, 0:14:50.430 --> 0:14:55.010 first one in 2022. Jim Chalmers, meanwhile, here's the real 0:14:55.030 --> 0:15:00.100 booby prize here. The government's worst performing senior minister, says 0:15:00.300 --> 0:15:05.760 Australians polled. Joining me now, News 24 political contributor Chris Yeoman. Well, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.050 I don't know that we're surprised with any of this here, Chris, 0:15:09.090 --> 0:15:12.990 but I mean, this core support for Labor is consistently 0:15:13.050 --> 0:15:17.880 tanking now. 27% is their primary. One Nation's ahead, of course, 0:15:18.020 --> 0:15:20.740 in 28. The Libs are on 21. That is the 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:25.460 third such lift for them in primary since August. So 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:27.600 Angus Taylor, I know he'd want it to be more, 0:15:27.620 --> 0:15:30.160 but it's headed the right way. But Labor's not headed 0:15:30.180 --> 0:15:33.420 the right way. They are going south and fast. 0:15:35.390 --> 0:15:37.060 Yeah, Peter, I guess the thing that I see most 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.980 in this poll when I look at what happened in 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.260 the 2025 election is how much both major parties have fallen. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.750 The Labor Party is down 7.6 percentage points on where 0:15:47.780 --> 0:15:50.790 it was at the last election, but the Coalition down 10.8, 0:15:50.790 --> 0:15:53.570 of course. Yes, it would appear that Angus Taylor has 0:15:53.590 --> 0:15:56.990 stopped the bleeding, but on these numbers, both major parties 0:15:57.170 --> 0:16:00.700 would bleed to one nation should a federal election be held, 0:16:01.130 --> 0:16:04.060 and these numbers hold at that particular point in time. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:04.440 And, of course. 0:16:04.850 --> 0:16:06.850 That's what matters here. And when we look across the 0:16:06.910 --> 0:16:09.690 last six months or so of these figures, what we 0:16:09.750 --> 0:16:12.440 see is essentially not much has changed, really. It's always 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.760 been within the margin of error. But what it tells 0:16:15.820 --> 0:16:19.390 us over time now is the One Nation vote is entrenched, 0:16:19.750 --> 0:16:21.770 that the Labor Party vote has fallen and that the 0:16:21.790 --> 0:16:25.590 coalition's vote is quite catastrophic. So If the coalition can 0:16:25.650 --> 0:16:28.650 hang in there, I think it will begin to make 0:16:28.850 --> 0:16:32.350 ground towards the next election. And, of course, the longer 0:16:32.390 --> 0:16:35.240 these numbers are low for the government, the more concerned 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.340 backbenchers will become about their seats come the next election 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:40.960 and they may be looking for change. 0:16:42.940 --> 0:16:44.720 I thought it was interesting, you know, that pick out 0:16:45.060 --> 0:16:47.620 of the numbers today in relation to Jim Chalmers. I mean, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.370 I think Labor thinks people are stupid and that they're 0:16:51.630 --> 0:16:55.130 blaming these rate rises only on the RBA. I think 0:16:55.150 --> 0:16:57.360 they're frustrated with the RBA out in the community, but 0:16:57.380 --> 0:17:01.540 I think they absolutely know that the spending, the out-of-control 0:17:01.620 --> 0:17:05.780 spending for Labor is a huge contributor here. And, yes, 0:17:06.060 --> 0:17:09.919 they do understand global factors, but every nation's hit with 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.210 the same war in Ukraine, the same issues out of 0:17:12.230 --> 0:17:15.370 the Strait of Hormuz. They're not tracking with inflation like 0:17:15.430 --> 0:17:20.130 we are. They're not running interest rate numbers like we are. Tomorrow, 0:17:20.170 --> 0:17:24.469 if it eventuates before the Melbourne Cup is run, it's 0:17:24.470 --> 0:17:28.480 17 rate rises under Labor. How is that going to 0:17:28.540 --> 0:17:30.620 play out politically, do you think, Chris? 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.000 Well, it's playing out politically badly for Jim Chalmers. And 0:17:34.020 --> 0:17:36.399 let's not forget who the victim is here, Peter, because 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.340 he's been loudly telling anyone who will listen recently that 0:17:39.380 --> 0:17:42.080 it's not just him that's responsible for this. I think 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.220 some of the articles that I've seen recently really do 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.469 need to have the Treasurer's byline on them because he's 0:17:46.510 --> 0:17:50.390 essentially briefing against his colleagues at the moment. And they 0:17:50.490 --> 0:17:53.020 would have noticed that. And the Prime Minister would have 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.700 noticed that. And what have the people of Australia noticed? Well, 0:17:55.780 --> 0:17:58.480 they've noticed that they're the victim of bad policy by 0:17:58.500 --> 0:18:01.020 the government. Why would they hold things against the Treasurer? 0:18:01.060 --> 0:18:01.680 Let me think. 0:18:02.180 --> 0:18:05.460 They've tanked your housing price if you own a home. 0:18:05.580 --> 0:18:07.550 And if you own a home and are paying a mortgage, 0:18:07.570 --> 0:18:10.730 you've seen that mortgage rate rise increase. You've seen your 0:18:10.790 --> 0:18:15.429 wages rise lower than inflation is rising, which means that 0:18:15.490 --> 0:18:18.750 you feel poorer. We've made the country a harder place 0:18:18.810 --> 0:18:21.830 to invest in. And we're scaring off foreign investment from 0:18:21.850 --> 0:18:26.910 this country. So we are now suffering from self-inflicted pain 0:18:26.970 --> 0:18:29.480 that's been delivered by the government and the people of 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:35.260 Australia recognise that and they know who's responsible. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.859 You've been around a long time, Chris. You're a gallery veteran. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.520 When you get this sort of chatter going on, when 0:18:40.540 --> 0:18:45.050 you get the fingerprints on these columns from unnamed sources 0:18:45.090 --> 0:18:47.830 and things, what's that do to morale internally? 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.260 Well, you know this too, Peter. As soon as you 0:18:51.340 --> 0:18:53.460 read some of these comments, you know precisely who it 0:18:53.510 --> 0:18:56.270 is that's doing the briefing because they're usually the beneficiary 0:18:56.310 --> 0:18:59.070 of the story. It's sort of telling some sad sob 0:18:59.090 --> 0:19:02.750 story about the terrible lot that the Treasurer finds himself 0:19:02.810 --> 0:19:05.209 in because he's not the person that's solely responsible for 0:19:05.270 --> 0:19:08.330 government policy. And, of course, that is true, but it 0:19:08.369 --> 0:19:11.050 does mean that your colleagues begin to recognise the fact 0:19:11.090 --> 0:19:12.990 that you're just a little bit of a whinger and 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.000 you're not going to hide your light beneath a bushel. 0:19:15.020 --> 0:19:16.859 You're going to parade it around and try and get 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.250 people to feel sorry for yourself. The main thing that 0:19:19.290 --> 0:19:21.280 the Treasurer is doing at the moment is trying to 0:19:21.410 --> 0:19:24.520 buttress his claim to be a future leader after Anthony 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.960 Albanese leaves. And at the moment, there would be a 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.820 question mark over whether or not he retains his job 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:31.879 over time. Now, it's a very big deal to get 0:19:31.940 --> 0:19:34.040 rid of a Treasurer. I'm not suggesting that will happen, 0:19:34.460 --> 0:19:36.510 but it would appear that there are some waiting in 0:19:36.550 --> 0:19:40.170 the wings and some are very well qualified, like Andrew Chaldon. 0:19:40.230 --> 0:19:42.550 And his star is on the rise with the Prime Minister. 0:19:42.590 --> 0:19:43.729 So watch this space. 0:19:45.700 --> 0:19:49.889 Let's go to the McKinnon Truth or Trust Index in Politics. 0:19:49.970 --> 0:19:53.859 It's at a five-point drop. I think it's down to, what, 30.5, 0:19:53.859 --> 0:19:56.640 so just on a third, not even a full third 0:19:56.820 --> 0:20:00.139 of people out there say they trust federal politicians, and 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.940 that's all politicians. I suspect if you went to just 0:20:03.020 --> 0:20:05.800 federal government frontbenches, it would be a hell of a 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.859 lot lower. You know, you can fix bad policy, Chris. 0:20:09.900 --> 0:20:14.239 You can improve it or you can scrap it. But 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.109 I know as a campaigner, once you've lost the intangibles 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.010 like trust, like character, if voters think you are a 0:20:22.070 --> 0:20:26.610 liar and can't be trusted, it's really hard to recover 0:20:26.650 --> 0:20:27.050 from that. 0:20:29.190 --> 0:20:31.790 Yeah, well, it turns out that credibility is not a 0:20:31.850 --> 0:20:34.889 renewable resource, right, that if you start to threaten, if 0:20:34.910 --> 0:20:40.310 you start to... If you press that button often enough 0:20:40.369 --> 0:20:43.070 where you're doing something completely different from what you're saying, 0:20:43.109 --> 0:20:45.550 the people aren't mugs and they do work it out 0:20:45.630 --> 0:20:47.530 and they have worked it out. And I can tell 0:20:47.570 --> 0:20:50.060 you that across a whole lot of polling, and we're 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.879 talking about, you know, the different kinds of polling, and 0:20:51.900 --> 0:20:54.080 this is focus group polling, when people get asked what 0:20:54.100 --> 0:20:56.840 do they think and what sort of word association do 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.119 they make. And the word association they're making with Anthony 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.540 Albanese now is liar. And that is across a whole 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.850 lot of different pollings, both public and private. So the 0:21:06.890 --> 0:21:09.610 government would be well aware of that. And once you 0:21:09.650 --> 0:21:12.410 have got that reputation, it is a very, very difficult 0:21:12.450 --> 0:21:13.109 thing to shake. 0:21:14.810 --> 0:21:17.879 This is why Fire the Liar was so potent. They raised, what, 0:21:17.900 --> 0:21:20.379 about $ 6 million as quick as they could because it 0:21:20.859 --> 0:21:24.680 just stuck. You know, the collateral there was already. 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:25.440 up. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.280 Against the Prime Minister's name. And there's nothing he's doing, Chris, 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.600 at almost every single level as we go along. And 0:21:32.900 --> 0:21:37.980 Marrickville is just the latest example. He's not disabusing voters 0:21:38.740 --> 0:21:42.859 of that moniker. He's basically reinforcing it at every opportunity. 0:21:44.180 --> 0:21:46.199 Well, you know, Peter, the best kind of advertising is 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.440 that which reinforces something that we already believe. And that's 0:21:49.510 --> 0:21:51.610 why that sticks so well, because there are so many 0:21:51.670 --> 0:21:54.290 examples of it now. People don't have to go searching 0:21:54.369 --> 0:21:57.899 for them because they are writ large things like negative gearing. 0:21:57.960 --> 0:21:59.280 You know, how many times do I have to tell you? 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.000 50 times we're not going to do it. Well, guess what? 0:22:01.020 --> 0:22:01.440 They did it. 0:22:01.900 --> 0:22:02.629 And people noticed. 0:22:04.350 --> 0:22:06.909 So the moment he's overseas, the Prime Minister, he's in 0:22:06.930 --> 0:22:10.910 the Bahamas for Chogham, of course, absolutely appropriate he should 0:22:10.950 --> 0:22:13.990 be there. Bad pictures tonight, though. He's at the cricket. 0:22:14.470 --> 0:22:16.710 We're all looking down the borough at a potential tomorrow 0:22:16.730 --> 0:22:20.020 at a rate hike. He's looking like he's enjoying himself. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:25.480 At Chogham, the King, we're told, will address the role 0:22:25.500 --> 0:22:27.540 of the UK in the slave trade that, of course, 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.280 happened in relation to the Caribbean and the UK. There's 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.490 a real push, though, from the Prime Minister, the new 0:22:33.530 --> 0:22:37.189 Labor Prime Minister, Annie Burnham, to basically have an apology 0:22:37.210 --> 0:22:42.250