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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mentor. I'm Mark Boris Steve Campbell. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Mentor. Mate.

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Speaker 2: It's great, it's great to be here with you. Mark.

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Speaker 1: It's a minister for small business or one of your portfolios.

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Speaker 1: You've got a stack of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a few of them.

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Speaker 1: What do you got you what's your stack?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got small business, I've got crown Land, I've

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Speaker 2: got state properties, I've got multiculturalism. I've got sport, which

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Speaker 2: I know you love the sport. I love the sports portfolio.

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Speaker 2: I love all of them actually, and I've got projects

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Speaker 2: as well, which is essentially the large projects, a lot

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Speaker 2: of the fish markets, Powerhouse museum and delivering those big bills.

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Speaker 1: That's and the reason I'm really excited about getting you

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Speaker 1: on to our podcast is because a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Mentored listeners are small business owners. Most of them are

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Speaker 1: either that or the aspirational and it's very rare that

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Speaker 1: we get an opportunity to talk to the Minister in

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Speaker 1: charge at list in New South Wales for small business.

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Speaker 1: But probably importantly, I guess he's all going to want

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Speaker 1: to know, well, a mate, what do you know about

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Speaker 1: small business? So it's funny you know, someone said to

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Speaker 1: me the other day that have you got a brother

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Speaker 1: or someone who's still got an accounting practice of some

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Speaker 1: sort of advisory business.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right. That was the family account and see practice.

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Speaker 2: And I was there for thirty odd years, and so

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Speaker 2: the family like your dad or you and your brother

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Speaker 2: my father, my father started it in the sixties and

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Speaker 2: from there essentially used to do migrant tax returns, so

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Speaker 2: basically a tax account. Then my brother and I moved

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Speaker 2: in and we've grown it and we're essentially predominantly representing

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Speaker 2: small to medium business and I believe it was one

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Speaker 2: of the largest submitters of basses in the state Wow

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Speaker 2: for many years since the duce tea was introduced back

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Speaker 2: in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: So maybe we just take me through this because I

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Speaker 1: remember my father said to me when he came to

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Speaker 1: Australi nineteen forty eight, when he got off the boat

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Speaker 1: the ship with his five brothers and his mother, his

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Speaker 1: that when they came down the ramp and then they

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Speaker 1: first came onto the dock, Sir Arthur George, who was

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Speaker 1: a lawyer at the time, and Arthur owned a legal

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Speaker 1: practice called Arthur T. George and co. Were standing there

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Speaker 1: giving out business cards or whatever must have been in

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Speaker 1: Greek to the Greeks about if you need a lawyer

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Speaker 1: or if you need a loan for that matter, because

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Speaker 1: he used to loan make loans as well, that you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the dude you want to talk to. And there

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Speaker 1: was also an accounting firm there too, And there must

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Speaker 1: have been an assumption that each one of these people,

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Speaker 1: and probably based on experience, at some stage, are going

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Speaker 1: to open up a business because you know, mostly because

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Speaker 1: speak Englis. It's not like they're going to go and

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Speaker 1: join a university become a doctor. For me, in fact,

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Speaker 1: my parents, that's what my father's, my grandfather's doing at

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Speaker 1: absorbed into another firm, a firm which I worked at

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Speaker 1: a place called Simons Baski. We purchase Arthur George's business

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the accounting firms still exist today.

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Speaker 1: Is that the sort of thing that your dad was doing,

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Speaker 1: looking after the Greek community or a broader community.

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Speaker 2: Very much so. I made my father's was born here.

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Speaker 2: He was actually born in Broken Hill. My grandfather on

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Speaker 2: dad's site came out in nineteen nineteen wow, and he

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Speaker 2: came out. He'd left my grandmother in Northern Greece there

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty familiar story, though very.

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Speaker 2: Not too many from Northern Greece at that time.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean, but then didn't leave it. He did

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's correct. And then twelve thirteen years later

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Speaker 2: Broken There's a front page at the local newspaper there

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Speaker 2: So Dad was a product of that of Broken Hill.

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Speaker 2: Then my grandpa broke his back in I think nineteen

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Speaker 2: tough beginnings. But each one of those six children entered

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Speaker 2: So from there, from kind of doing free tax returns

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Speaker 2: a single office. So our family has just grown through

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Speaker 2: like your dad Mark, they're the people that we represented.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and you didn't just do their tax

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Speaker 2: was we just looked. We we became really good at

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Speaker 2: servicing people through that practice, and that's something I'm really grateful.

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Speaker 1: But it's very interesting you say really good, because becoming

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Speaker 1: you can see you're really you or your father, and

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Speaker 1: or the practice considers you're doing a really good job.

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Speaker 1: Particularly in your case, the client has to take that view.

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Speaker 1: So it's about being customer centric. And in order to

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Speaker 1: And that's about spending time with them, not just going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something I watched him do, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think I formed the opinion that it was doing

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Speaker 2: thirty odd years later, people just talk about him in

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Speaker 2: such a positive way. So I think I come from

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Speaker 2: that perspective when I when I say that, but it

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty personal relationship. And yes, so have your

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Speaker 1: So why and how many brothers sisters do you have.

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Speaker 2: I've got one brother that two years older than me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So which one of you? How many of you

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Speaker 1: actually went into your dad's business.

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Speaker 2: So it was my brother and myself and then were

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Speaker 2: My dad died in nineteen ninety two overseas and it

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Speaker 2: was a sort of a pilgrimage and had a heart

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: My brother and I then took it to the next level,

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Speaker 2: to the point where we were looking after and managing

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Speaker 1: So would you say that you and your brother were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I call it a small business. So I tend

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Speaker 1: I think it's just is it a family business.

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Speaker 2: It's a family business essentially, And we partnered off with

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Speaker 1: So you've got to what's called what's the firm.

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Speaker 1: Camper Kamper Chartered Accountants in Rockdale. That's that's a pretty

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Speaker 1: big business actually and large. Your clients would be people

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Speaker 1: All those boring things. But on top of that, generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: I agreed to do a runner a task force. I

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Speaker 1: chaired a task force for the government into digital use

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Speaker 1: by small business owners in Australia, so the digital economy.

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Speaker 1: And one of the findings that we had was that

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Speaker 1: the most trusted person in commerce today in Australia is

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Speaker 1: the accountant. That's the most trusted advisor. There is no

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Speaker 1: one more trusted than your accountant. And as a result

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Speaker 1: of that, people tended or clients tended to listen to

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Speaker 1: I've never really asked anyone since I did that task force,

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Speaker 1: into every part of their business life.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's there's probably the financial device of the accountant

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Speaker 2: is in some ways is if there's movement in a life,

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Speaker 2: even if there's a marriage breakup. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: I bet assume accountant, Yeah, my account.

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Speaker 2: And how we're going to work through it and to

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Speaker 2: provide all the information that's required to get through that process.

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Speaker 2: There's there's hardship, there's but you know, there's so many

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Speaker 2: find solutions to help them through these challenges. Very hard

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Speaker 2: They're not asking for handouts, but when they're stuck in

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Speaker 1: Hard to get I thought the Lanax, the landtax thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why we had we had to get

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about that style when we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, that was a decision I made at the time.

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Speaker 1: Why did you go to politics?

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Speaker 2: I met a guy called Chris Mins, and we really

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Speaker 1: And because Chris is from the area, Chris is from

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Speaker 2: Chris is a member for COGRA and he lived at

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Speaker 1: When you got to sell out, you had but you

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Speaker 2: Fair inns, did I? I always had a problem with

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Speaker 2: So I had my nephew there who basically took over,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to represent, especially as a minister, you

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Speaker 2: don't want anyone questioning any of your of your activity.

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Speaker 2: It was best to just.

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Speaker 2: There's no conflict there, or just just no self interest

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Speaker 2: that self interest you know, and and I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I did quite okay in life, beautiful family. I've got

438
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Speaker 2: five children, I've got nine grandchildren, fairly well established. This

439
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 2: is the opportunity. You can't just be an asset accumulator

440
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Speaker 2: all your life. You want to do Sometimes you as

441
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Speaker 2: a person wants to do more.

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Speaker 1: I imagine there's a substantial drop and income though too,

443
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Speaker 1: and independence in terms of your income, because what government

444
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Speaker 1: pays you as opposed to what you'll be earning in

445
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Speaker 1: with allayr business interests in and in the practice is

446
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Speaker 1: probably a fair bit less. Was that a big decision

447
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Speaker 1: for you?

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I made sure that you know that I

449
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Speaker 2: was comfortable before I left. You know, had to have

450
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Speaker 2: the billy yeah, as full as possible. Yeah, to make

451
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Speaker 2: sure that I made all the provisions that I wanted

452
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Speaker 2: to have their just in case for family, and I'm

453
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Speaker 2: really comfortable with my life. You know. It was about challenge,

454
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Speaker 2: challenging myself a little bit more to and doing something

455
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Speaker 2: greater and greater for our community. I know it's the old,

456
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Speaker 2: the old line, but I do I do feel that

457
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Speaker 2: there's nothing there's nothing that There's nothing more rewarding than

458
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Speaker 2: when you make a change and you know that it

459
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Speaker 2: positively impacts.

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Speaker 1: But how's it changed your life?

461
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Speaker 2: The family?

462
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Speaker 1: How's politics were, particularly being a minister and within all

463
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Speaker 1: the PORTFOLIOESO you're in.

464
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Speaker 2: I thought I knew everything when I walked when I

465
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Speaker 2: started politics, I realized that there's so much more to know,

466
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Speaker 2: and it's it's it's invigorated me. It's there's there's days

467
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Speaker 2: when you think why am I going through this? But

468
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Speaker 2: you know, and then you overcome that day and then

469
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Speaker 2: you feel so good after it and you plow through

470
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Speaker 2: all those challenges. You know, we want to do things,

471
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Speaker 2: but there's budgetary challenges too, and you've got to try

472
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Speaker 2: and get the best value, best been on the buck

473
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Speaker 2: that you can get from the Treasurer to roll out

474
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Speaker 2: the the reforms that you want to roll out, and

475
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Speaker 2: that's challenging in itself. We've did inherit some pretty tight

476
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Speaker 2: settings and you know, I don't want to keep talking

477
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Speaker 2: about that. I know that they're there and we've got

478
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Speaker 2: to work through them and we will. We've got an exceptional,

479
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Speaker 2: exceptional Treasurer and an exception exceptional Premiere and I've got

480
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Speaker 2: an enormous amount of faith in the governor. I love

481
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Speaker 2: the government I represent.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me see that I'll be honestly that

483
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Speaker 1: this new South Wales Labor Party in state government, they're

484
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Speaker 1: going to make me saying this is much more practical

485
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Speaker 1: and really well equipped in terms of the ones I've met.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Daniel, but I've heard a lot of

487
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Speaker 1: people Daniel Murkie or Treasure. I've heard a lot of

488
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Speaker 1: people I know who are liberal, died in the liberals

489
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Speaker 1: who think rate him fully ratio mkay. And I've met Chris,

490
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Speaker 1: and I think Chris is an exceptional person, a very

491
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Speaker 1: good person, And I know you. It seems to me

492
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Speaker 1: your state government is actually better than what I see

493
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Speaker 1: in the federal politics. And the reason I say that

494
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Speaker 1: is my gut feeling is each one of you is

495
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Speaker 1: more qualified in your various portfolios and less politically brought up.

496
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Speaker 1: You're not brought up as politicians, whereas the Fed's a

497
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Speaker 1: bit more brought up like politicians, and they are all

498
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Speaker 1: political careers and political futures, whereas you guys are more

499
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Speaker 1: practical and probably have a lot of experience. Is that

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Speaker 1: something that's important in the men's government. Is that something

501
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Speaker 1: that our Premier, Chris Mins actually drives for, strives for absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I think I always say that Chris is that voice

503
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Speaker 2: of reason, and it's not about getting caught up with

504
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Speaker 2: the ideology and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the ideology, good way, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's it's about getting practical solutions respecting, respecting all of

507
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Speaker 2: everyone in the community and having a healthy respect, healthy

508
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: respect for the small business community is a big part

509
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Speaker 2: of this government. It has been from day dot and

510
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Speaker 2: you know, and we really got to appreciate the small

511
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Speaker 2: small business community is the largest employer in the state,

512
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Speaker 2: in the country and the country, you know, and that

513
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Speaker 2: in itself says so much. And if we're not reaching

514
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Speaker 2: out and supporting them and helping them grow, you know,

515
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Speaker 2: we're really doing the state and injustice. So so that

516
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Speaker 2: I think you'll find Chris Chris Means himself has got

517
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Speaker 2: a true appreciation for small business wifs it was a

518
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Speaker 2: small business operator. His mother was in practice as a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: so she's she's been in business. So it's part of

520
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Speaker 2: his He's part of his upbringing, part of his He's

521
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: growth as an individual has been through having a connection

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Speaker 2: with with small business and understanding.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a problem, Steve with that. I

524
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Speaker 1: mean the word small business, Minister, for small business, this

525
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Speaker 1: sort of has a denotes something that's not significant. I mean,

526
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Speaker 1: when whereas it's a really important point that each one

527
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Speaker 1: of these are small businesses, but when you add them

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Speaker 1: up as a group, they're the biggest employee in the country.

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Speaker 1: They employee seventy percent of all employees, whether it's in

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Speaker 1: New South Wales or across the whole country. That is

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Speaker 1: the case. And you're right, they don't ask so much.

532
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Speaker 1: In fact, they don't really want that much. They're not

533
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Speaker 1: they're very rarely as a group. Are they actually knocking

534
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Speaker 1: on your door. You might get COSBO every now and then,

535
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Speaker 1: but that's pretty much a political arm as well of

536
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: small businesses. They're playing a bit of a political role

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Speaker 1: and then the business Council that's more looking after the

538
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: big guys. It just average cafe or hotel owner or

539
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. They're not part of any group and

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Speaker 1: they don't want much. But I think my gut feeling

541
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Speaker 1: is they feel as though I'm just a small business

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Speaker 1: there from not important. How do we how can we're's

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Speaker 1: a government or you as a government build up in

544
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Speaker 1: their minds the importance that they actually hold for our

545
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Speaker 1: total community in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever thought of that? Yeah? I did think

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Speaker 2: part our election commitments moving was to establish a charter

548
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Speaker 2: for small business. Now that's what is that, okay. I

549
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: wanted to reinvent the relationship between government and small business,

550
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Speaker 2: and I wanted to define it. I think that was

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Speaker 2: really important and have key key points there that we're

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Speaker 2: going to address and after you meet with them, put

553
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Speaker 2: ourselves on. We did, yeah, and we've gone through that process.

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Speaker 2: We've established a small Business Charter and I've also established

555
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Speaker 2: a unit within government called the Business Bureau. And I

556
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Speaker 2: want a powerful unit that can work across government.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me through that what is that?

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Speaker 2: Look? Essentially what it is is that what how We've

559
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: got Service New South Wales that services a general community.

560
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: I wanted a similar type operation within within Service New

561
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Speaker 2: South Wales that services and needs a business without putting

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Speaker 2: any parameters to what you know, like a product mix,

563
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Speaker 2: without a product mix, I want a unit there that

564
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: can troubleshoot and sort out particular issues on demand. So

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Speaker 2: we've set that up and it's been going now for

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Speaker 2: around six months. I think it's had one hundred thousand

567
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Speaker 2: engagements during that period and it will provide It's pretty

568
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: much note book whatever, what, what are your needs? What

569
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: are your problems? Where can we help? And I'll give

570
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Speaker 2: you an example we had while we're over over in Vegas.

571
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: There was the sinkholes at West Botany Street and there

572
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: was businesses that were trapped within that that that collapse.

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Speaker 2: I've come back and there's there was no Government's not

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Speaker 2: really equipped to just address all those issues that for

575
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Speaker 2: the businesses within. There's a lot of atension placed on

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Speaker 2: the on the property owners, but who was worried about

577
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: the businesses? Where did they go? It's a unique situation.

578
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Speaker 2: Is government really set up to actually manage this type

579
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Speaker 2: of crisis? How does it do it? Set out? My

580
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: Business Bureau of People addressed each issue, made sure that

581
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Speaker 2: every single one of those businesses where their stock was stuck,

582
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Speaker 2: stuck in the mud, stuck in that in that site,

583
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: they got paid out in advance, essentially covered or all

584
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Speaker 2: of their losses, help them relocate, talking to them every

585
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Speaker 2: single day, working through all those challenges while they're there,

586
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: because if you don't address those in real time, businesses

587
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: die overnight. And you know, that type of expertise to

588
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: have that in government that's capable of helping businesses during

589
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Speaker 2: the time of crisis like that, or to work through

590
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Speaker 2: the all the agencies that you have to work through.

591
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: They've basically got license to move around and prompt all

592
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Speaker 2: the agencies to do the things that have to be

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Speaker 2: done to support a business in that type of situation.

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's so how do that people

595
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Speaker 1: find this business Bureau? Well, it's it's what does it?

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Speaker 2: It exists and it's and it's it's been I think

597
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Speaker 2: I think there's the radio campaign to an advertised rate

598
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Speaker 2: of promotion as really stepped up this week.

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Speaker 1: And do they go into Service New South Wales to

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Speaker 1: find it? Is?

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Speaker 2: It is?

602
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Speaker 1: It is? It? Is it one of the subsets of

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Speaker 1: Service New South Wales or where it sits there on

604
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Speaker 1: its own.

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Speaker 2: It's since there's the Business Bureau within Service New Southwest, a.

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Speaker 1: Small business owner who would like to access one of

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00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: these some inquiry into this business Bureau goes into Service

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Speaker 1: in South Wales and there'll be a tab somewhere it's

609
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Speaker 1: a business whatever it is, the Business Bureau.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So so you'll start with the concierge and

612
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: then that that Concerentgill will will establish what you need

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00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: is and send it off to a particular unit that

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Speaker 3: is that will specialize or is capable of managing your

615
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: particular issue. And I don't like to, as I said,

616
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Speaker 3: I don't like to describe the service because it has

617
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 3: should have no boundaries. If business has problems, it needs

618
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: to go and find how it can and essentially with

619
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Speaker 3: government because again across all of the different agencies that

620
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: may relate to your particular but you've got a product

621
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Speaker 3: that you're trying to push, but there's some type of

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Speaker 3: regulatory restriction which is could be counseled.

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Speaker 2: We could be counseled too. But if there's a regular,

624
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: true restriction to a product, but it was never intended

625
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: to be there for that particular situation, but it happens

626
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: to be there. How do we work through that? Which

627
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: department do we go through? How the Business Bureau will

628
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: assist the business through that process. When a business is

629
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Speaker 2: stuck in the mudd, it needs to be supported and

630
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: that's that's the key here. And we've got I think

631
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty people within within the Business Bureau,

632
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: all online or their physical you can physical online or

633
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: the digital expanding all the digital services or business licenses,

634
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Speaker 2: even business regio. You know you still have to go

635
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: into service in your south. That's changed now you can

636
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: do that online as well. So any any any whether

637
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: it's licensing issues, whether it's just even if you're looking

638
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: for we've got the business Connect program that's attached to

639
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: that where where there's business advice, business planning, and the

640
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: free service's provided to because there's twenty thousand, twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: hours of business services provided.

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Speaker 1: In the last six months, so this is six months.

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Speaker 1: I will listen, this has been Murky's next.

644
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Speaker 2: Budget.

645
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: Will he allocate money towards this?

646
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm bitching for the extension of that. Obviously, I'm

647
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: very passionate about that.

648
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Speaker 1: So what do you tell us how that works? Because

649
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: I think it's really important. I mean, how does that

650
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: work in government? Like he got Murky there and he's

651
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: trying to make sure that he's got a balance budget

652
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: or at least he doesn't pushes further into deficit. He's

653
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: got a sort of a macroeconomic view. He wants to

654
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Speaker 1: make sure New South Wales is and I know, you

655
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Speaker 1: guys just missed out on quite a lot of GST,

656
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Speaker 1: so he wants to make sure that New South Wales

657
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: doesn't lose his rating. From a crowd Bureau point of view,

658
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: that's like super important for everybody, government, individuals, everybody, And

659
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if most people, I don't understand how

660
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: important that aspect is really and the fact that he's

661
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: just missed out on some GSTS which has been relocated

662
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: which is a bit of a drama for New South

663
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: ours other states are getting it. What's the process look

664
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Speaker 1: like during the budget build? So what does Steve Camper do?

665
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: You go around and Dan say, listen, mate, you know

666
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: we need you know you're out there fighting for us.

667
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: Steve Camper's there fighting for us. We need this allocation money.

668
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: How's that work? Do you just actually pitch up to

669
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: him or what's the deal?

670
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially you do. I mean you've got to pitch

671
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: to the er C. What's the Expenditure Review Committee? And

672
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: and you you've got to win a number of hearts

673
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: on that committee everything. But look, as a minister, you're

674
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: responsible for if you have your portfolio there and each

675
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: aspect of it, you need to fight for it. You know.

676
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: It's it's it's kind of like you look at it

677
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: like you're a proprietor fighting for you to keep your

678
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: business going. And and I fight pretty hard. And yeah,

679
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: there are ways of doing things. There's always a way,

680
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: there's always ways to deliver services. Sometimes you might have

681
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: this is in parts in parts, in parts of government,

682
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: and you can trim those and then apply those excess

683
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 2: or part of that excess to a great initiative funds

684
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: around Business Bureau is so valuable. It's really really when

685
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: you consider there's eight one hundred and eighty thousand small

686
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: businesses in New South Wales, it's from my perspective, it's

687
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: a necessary It's twenty percent.

688
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: Of the population absolutely of Sydney, so it's a big deal.

689
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say to you now, if you could

690
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Speaker 1: get the business community on side, you never lose an election.

691
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: Like if they were saying, listen, we got to vote

692
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: for these guys because they're the ones who are going

693
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: to look after us. I don't care what the policy

694
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: other policies of either party are. Whoever is looking after

695
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: the small business community in a proper way will never

696
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: lose election. And largely that used to be part of

697
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. I mean that was the coalition pretty

698
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: much control that. Everybody in business looked at the coalition

699
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: because they've got to have interest best interest at heart.

700
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: But way I see it right now, at a federal

701
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: understate level, it's open. So like there's two and a

702
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: half million small business owners. In Australia, they employ around

703
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: nine million people, so every one of those individuals could

704
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: be influenced by the proprietors of the businesses they work for.

705
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: So that's like ten or a million people if somebody

706
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: owned that, a party or an individual within a party

707
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: owned that, and people knew that. Business owners and their

708
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: employees knew that. This dude is making sure that, you know,

709
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Speaker 1: we're going to survive and do well and live our

710
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Speaker 1: best life optimized. I don't reckon ever lose elections.

711
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's really important for our economy though, Mark,

712
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: That's that's what the key is. You know, we have

713
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: to be there form. We've seen that during tough times

714
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: we were able to manage and mass you know, so.

715
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Speaker 1: Why can they comply it?

716
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: And why can't we have Why can't we have that

717
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: as a permanent thing where we're able to service business

718
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: through these tough times. We'll learn so much out of it.

719
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: Throughout this whole process. We'll be able to value which

720
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: agencies aren't performing well when it comes to responding and

721
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: and and and from that maybe grow it. It's it's

722
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: just such a positive thing for our economy and it,

723
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Speaker 2: as I said, because of the nature of small business.

724
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Speaker 2: The only company when they've got a real big.

725
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: Problem because they are wingch that are winge and this

726
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: is this is the whole thing.

727
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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really got that, you know, in

728
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: in the political sphere. You know, I think that historically

729
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: that hasn't been understood. You know, it's it's they're the

730
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: battler's out there. You know, the small business community are

731
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: the real battles out there, because you know, not only

732
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: do they got to keep this business going, to keep

733
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Speaker 2: people employed and and but they've also still got their personal.

734
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Speaker 1: Lives put on the tape of their own family.

735
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Speaker 2: And mark my word, whenever I started a new business,

736
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 2: because I did a variety of a business, I put

737
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Speaker 2: my house down and mortgage my house for it, you know,

738
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: and and then off you go and fight like fight

739
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: like crazy to make make work. And you know, we

740
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: could appreciate. And that was the other thing that during

741
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: that period, during that COVID period, it wasn't just impacting

742
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: on the business, It was impacted on their own lives.

743
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: You know, they couldn't even do some salary out of

744
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: their businesses to actually keep the household going. You know,

745
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: these are the challenges of business people face. There's things

746
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: that come out out of left field and can really

747
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: threw you, but there's technological changes it can impact on

748
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: your business. You've got to pivot, you've got to chain.

749
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: You need support. You need support when you are stuck.

750
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Speaker 1: And you also need some disclosure too, because I mean,

751
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: I just go back to my son's hotel. I mean,

752
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: he's lucky because I'm the landlord. But nonetheless, you lose

753
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: a sense of self. You're running a business. All of

754
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, through no fault of your own, you no

755
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: longer got a business because the country's closing down the

756
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: borders and people can't come in. That was a federal decision,

757
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: of course, but people can't come in there for your

758
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: businesses just lapses. But you're still fighting to keep them

759
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: business alive because you know, you're hoping one day, you know,

760
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: the COVID will be over and you can reopen, or

761
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: the borders will reopen and you can reopen, which ultimately

762
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: did happen. But at the same time, your sense of self.

763
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: Business owners have only got themselves as a sense of

764
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: self if they have to look to themselves and also

765
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: their staff looking to them as well. So there's pressure

766
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Speaker 1: on them. And I know my own son, he's like

767
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: he's forty two, but like he got like he asked

768
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot of questions of himself for a long period

769
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: of time. And it doesn't matter whether or not I

770
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: could support him or not and help him out in

771
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: terms of financial way or not. It was also what

772
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: he felt about himself. And that's something I can't fix.

773
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: And they need governments to sort of say, come on, like,

774
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: we're going to look after here. It's going to be

775
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: okay once this open reopens, you know, we'll sort things

776
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: out for you. And that just having that conversation is

777
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: really important.

778
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the children are pretty proud, proud as well. I've

779
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: got four of my five running their own businesses, you know,

780
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: and I wish they would ask me for advice more often. Yeah, no,

781
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: and and and you're right, it's it. See a lot

782
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: of people don't realize the mental stress, mental mental health

783
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: issues within business. I mean, I had one particular situation

784
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: in my life where there was a pretty much done

785
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: well in most businesses that I started, but there was

786
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: one that when you know, something came out of left

787
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: field and it hit me really hard, and it was

788
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: the sense of pride and the failure and having to

789
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: and it was it went over for an extended period

790
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: of time, and the impact that I had on my family.

791
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: You know, these are these are the loss of control

792
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: of that that was That was the one. The loss

793
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: of control and plus it and it chips away at

794
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: your head and you sometimes you just get lost within

795
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: it and you need a mentor or a colleague or

796
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: a friend to pull you out of it, to say,

797
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: you know, things aren't that bad. Things aren't that bad.

798
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: But if you've got a government agency is able to

799
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: provide that style of support during your time of need,

800
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Speaker 2: I think it's extremely valuable.

801
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Is this one of the things that the Bureau can do?

802
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: Will do absolutely absolutely, And as I said, there's some

803
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: twenty thousand hours of service through the Business Connect program

804
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: helping people through these types of things, whether it's startup,

805
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: whether it's help them go to that next level. You know,

806
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: it's really it adapts to the particular need of the business.

807
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: The area of Newcastle, the Hunter Great hundred more really Newcastle.

808
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: They've done a lot of really good stuff in terms

809
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: of building startup environments for startups. And I'm talking more

810
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: in the engineering sense they've been and there's a group

811
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: up there sort of sponsoring this. What is the New

812
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: South Wales government thinking in terms of sort of building

813
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: like a Silicon style thing here in Australia or a

814
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: place where startups are welcome, where startups can interact, network,

815
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: where startup where we can attract investors into those startup

816
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: environments where they might be able to provide some funding

817
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: startup funding for these particular individuals. Because we've got some

818
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: great people, got great minds in New South Wales, great minds.

819
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Is that something that's on your agenda on Steve Campus's agenda.

820
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the means for training and investment that it's more

821
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: in the area. But we do crossover. We do. We

822
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: do as the Business Bureau will will advise businesses where

823
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: they can access any support, support services or or funding

824
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: through the other agencies. That's what we do do. But

825
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: I'd love to see a lot more work.

826
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Speaker 1: That because you've got you've got the from your old

827
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: stomaground retinend, you've got the the technology park, but it's

828
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: sort of pretty much these days occupied by some really

829
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: high flying technology organizations, great great businesses like Quantity of

830
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: et cetera, who are resonent out there. I just think

831
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: that Australian technologists I hate the fact that they move overseas,

832
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: and i'd like to see more of them feel encouraged

833
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: to stay here. And it's not just what you south

834
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Oscom we can do. It's really a federal government thing too,

835
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: like tax breaks and all sorts of other things that

836
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: need to be done. But I think that it'd be

837
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: a real shame for us to continue to see and

838
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: ex exodus from Australia of great technology or great initiative,

839
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: great entrepreneurs, the sorts of people that who probably left

840
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: Greece and came to Australia for a new start. I'd

841
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: hate to feel as though they're leaving Australia to go

842
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: to America from a new start. Mind you who'd want

843
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: to go to San Francisco at the moment. But you know,

844
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: like there are parts of the US, like Texas, et cetera,

845
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: where they are starting. A lot of Australians are looking

846
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: over because there's a lot more money there for start

847
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: and Australians basically all need money, yea.

848
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: And I think you know when you're when you when

849
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: you're looking at comparing to overseas and the overseas investor

850
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: markets too, and the access to money into capital is

851
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: that that that's that's something I'd love to see or

852
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: contribute to encouraging more, you know, a greater investor focus

853
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: here on on our on our local.

854
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Would you ever consider, well, would the Government of considered hosting,

855
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: for example, an investor summit in New South Wales and

856
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: invite investors from you know, around the world to come

857
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: here and host it out at you know, Piedmont at

858
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: the i c C and just put on a big,

859
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: big show.

860
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. That's a great idea.

861
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Like I mean, get people like, oh go there, we

862
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: can do talks, we can interview people, interview the minister,

863
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: interview whoever you know, and try and bring some big

864
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: names out. You're definitely attract startups, that's for sure, because

865
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: they will they will en mass and arrive and then

866
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: you could fill it with full of chaosks. And because

867
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: all the service providers for these startups they'd all love

868
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: to own a chaosk they will pay. Are really going

869
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: to be a bloody great idea. I mean I don't

870
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: know anybody apart from San Francisco who does this. US

871
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: does it, but I don't know anyone else as really

872
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: doing this. Singapore does it too, more antech, but just

873
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: a big entrepreneurial summit and bringing you the government, bringing

874
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: the two parties together. It just would be a spectacular

875
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: thing and New South Wales and would steam ahead of Queensland,

876
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: steam ahead of Victoria, already steaming ahead of Victoria. But

877
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, Queensland's a bit of a threat at the

878
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 1: moment because they're trying to do lots of innovative things

879
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: like this. ADELAIDI is too so because I mean, I

880
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: want you so as to win, not only want to

881
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: win the state of original want us to win every competition, okay,

882
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: every one of them. And of course my Melbourne list

883
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: is going to going to get pissed off with me out,

884
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: but I've just mean in a sense of, you know,

885
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: like taking sides. I'd love to see New South Wales win,

886
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: and I reckon one way to do that is host something,

887
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: host something big, really big. And I know you're a

888
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: big thinker. I do know that because I've had discussions

889
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: with you about various things, and you're not afraid to

890
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: think big, You're not afraid to prosecute the big idea

891
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: internally within your own party. It does require money, of course,

892
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: but this is a big initiative. But it's a great

893
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: way for the New South Wales Labor Party to stand

894
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: out amongst the crowd, not only in New South Wales,

895
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: but stand out Australia wide. Be a great thing to see.

896
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: I'd love to see it. Maybe not next to you

897
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: you're after, but I guess I think you think guys

898
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: are going to be there for a while. I think

899
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: you're going to be there for a while. Just something

900
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: to think about. And if I dare say to the Minister.

901
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: I think it's an excellent idea. Yeah, and I've been

902
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: thinking about that a lot. How how we attract greater

903
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: investment in our startups here and how we keep them here?

904
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, we're our it's not as mature as as

905
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: some of our competitors over in the States, and whatever

906
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: we've got to change. I think the either, you know,

907
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: we should be able to do it within I mean,

908
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: there's so much.

909
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: In terms of we've got superannuation money that's around now,

910
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: times of it, and encourage more of those a larger

911
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 4: percentage towards investing in our startup and.

912
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Our started well we've got s X s X s W.

913
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they launched last year and they're no doubt

914
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: they're going to continue on. And I know that the

915
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: government's been assisting them in their endeavors. In fact, you

916
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: give them money to help them out. But I just

917
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: think that the government, imagine if it was around the

918
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: world known, you know what, the New South Wales government

919
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: globally are the most empathetic and supportive government in the

920
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: world when it comes to small business owners or entrepreneurs

921
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: and or tech technology businesses, that reputation would be something

922
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: that everybody in New South Wales is in small business

923
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: would be extraordinarily proud of, and it actually would make

924
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: us feel like we're in the right place. We don't

925
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: want to go anywhere. I reckonize. I'm not here to

926
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: tell you how to such gggs, mate, because you know

927
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: your portfolio and anybody you know the possibilities, what can

928
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: we can be done. I just only have that thought

929
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: now as opposed to just outsourcing it to SXSW maybe

930
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: in partnership with them or whatever at the same time,

931
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: around about the same time. But I just think it

932
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: to be unbelievably good and you can show every other

933
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: state in this country how it's done.

934
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I think you know. My focus has

935
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: been re establishing that relationshipship with the small business community

936
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: service and it will where it needs to be serviced.

937
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: And then that can only value add tomorrow when we're

938
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: selling this state. And the next step is, yes, to

939
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: attract that investment, to attract that support for our wonderful

940
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 2: startups that we've got, rather than them, you know, being

941
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: taken taken over by some foreign corporation. You know, it

942
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: was Wi FI, it was developed.

943
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Here, yea. Some great inventions out.

944
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: Of this gunt and and who are the greatest beneficiaries

945
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: of it, you know?

946
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: Not us?

947
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure invested. So I'd like the local domestic investor

948
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: base to to just just focus a little bit more

949
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: on that. And to do that, we've got to do

950
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: things within government to to to support that. I get that,

951
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: and that will be something that I'll personally and I

952
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: think my government will be looking at over the next

953
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: the next twelve to twenty four months.

954
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: Two more things, and I can't go much further before

955
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: we end off this. Steve is to please take back

956
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: all of our listeners best regards to Chris Mins and

957
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: his family in relation to his father's recent passing, if

958
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: you don't mind doing that for us, for the community.

959
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: And the second thing that I wanted to close off

960
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: with you, Steve is you are the Minister of lots

961
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: of other things and sport is one of our you know,

962
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: Australian passions. Definitely, everyone in your South Wales love their

963
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: sport and we've got the state of origin coming up.

964
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: And of course you were a very big support and

965
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: the governments a very big supporter of what the NRL

966
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: is doing in taking the game of Arabia League to America.

967
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: Indeed the New South Aista government's been supporting that. But

968
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: outside of all that stuff, is there anything you want

969
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: to say about what your any of your other portfolios

970
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: are doing.

971
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh, look we're doing We're doing some wonderful things within property,

972
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: within property, the property portfolio where.

973
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: Where the men you own the properties.

974
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: Well, essentially the Minister for Property is the largest tenant

975
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: and there's also a substantial property owner of this. Uh.

976
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: It manages the substantial amount of state property and prepares

977
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: precincts for development. You know, there's precincts like Black Black

978
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: Bottle Bay in and around there. Tomorrow you know we've

979
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: got PARAMOUNTA North, there's the opportunity to provide housing, but

980
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a holistic approach to developing the

981
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: surrounds as well parklands, managing all of those assets and

982
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: then delivering whether it's a finished product or or or

983
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: passing that land product over to someone who will who

984
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: will finish developing it. Yeah, that's that's exciting work. I'm

985
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: really enjoying that and we're moving forward in that space.

986
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: We've got our big commitment is is housing delivery. I

987
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: think we all understand how important that is. And as

988
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: tough as it is now and the cost of construction

989
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: is really tough, and you'll hear a lot of builders

990
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: and developers talking about that, but we've still got to

991
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: get the settings in place. We've still got to get

992
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: that land.

993
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: That means that land out there. And as part of

994
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: your portfolio, the announcements that the premiers we're making around

995
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: around certain transport hubs that people can increase the amount

996
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: of density in relation to the land.

997
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: As a part of part of my portfolio is providing

998
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: the order of all the land right whether we're call

999
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 2: it unused land, the government can excess land that the

1000
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: government can put towards the production of housing. And so

1001
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 2: that's been really important work. And we've developed a land

1002
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: iqre product within government that actually evaluates land and does

1003
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: an assessment of the land and puts it, puts it

1004
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 2: onto it a greater list, and then we work out

1005
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: how to this bos or how to how to deliver

1006
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: the product now, whether we do it through one of

1007
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: our agencies or whether we we offlowed that land with

1008
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 2: that required outcome, that's what we're doing. It's really important work.

1009
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: And one of the things that we saw before that

1010
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: we were looking at before the lesson was how much

1011
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: government land? What what what's the I don't think anyone

1012
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: anyone really understood what the land inventory was. So now

1013
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: we're putting where we've put a process in place where

1014
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: we now understand what's stock, we've how it can help

1015
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: deliver our policy agenda.

1016
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: That's very important. And in relation to your other portfolios,

1017
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: what about sports generally?

1018
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: Our sports for a great, great experience there was you know,

1019
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: we've we've had we've I was fortunate, really fortunate to

1020
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: be the Sports Minister and we had the World Cup

1021
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: and what a what a time? Who would have thought

1022
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: that you're opinion up stadium so people can watch a screen,

1023
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: watch a screen, you know. And it was like if

1024
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: you if you had said, if you told me that,

1025
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, two or three months before, would have said

1026
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: you're crazy. You know. It was just a great experience

1027
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: watching the women's sport just evolve over the last last

1028
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: twelve months and the the just to think that the

1029
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: the girls are now packing out, packing out equal stadium yeh.

1030
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: During just general well.

1031
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: Also the quality of the I mean in rugby league

1032
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: then or w like, the quality of the way they

1033
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: play particulously good. Like these girls, like my member first

1034
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: started wasn't great, but now that the contact, like their

1035
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: their techniques, the way they run the ball, the way

1036
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: they kick the ball, everything that is like as good

1037
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: as the animal well cricket, cricket, look our girls a

1038
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: cricketer an't believable.

1039
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: Cricket, it's netball World champions. Yeah, we're really really and

1040
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: it's it's just great to see. It's great to see

1041
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: young boys going to games with the jersey of a

1042
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: female star, you know, I mean, and big emphasis on

1043
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: celebrating our women in sport. I think it's just growsy

1044
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: our sporty markets. It's great.

1045
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: But as again, as usual Australia, Australians, we punch way

1046
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: above our weight in female sport as we have done

1047
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: in the past and male sport in just about every

1048
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: sport we attempt. And I can't as one of the

1049
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: things I was only talking this warning about the Olympics.

1050
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the Olympics to come up because

1051
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: our female swimmers are so good compared to the rest

1052
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: of the world. Like I'm actually excited about watching it

1053
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: because I actually get quite proud when the girls just

1054
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: flog everyone and.

1055
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: Look and at grassroots level with girls now you know,

1056
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: it's encouraging more girls to participate in sport. And big

1057
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: focus on facilities, grassroots facilities, dressing rooms, yeah yeah, and

1058
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: so a lot of our funding and has gone towards

1059
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: improving grassroots facilities for grassroots participants. So that's that's been

1060
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: a big focus. But but overall it's it's been you know,

1061
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: with with within sport, you've got you know, all of

1062
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: the venues assets that you've got to manage and get

1063
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: the best outcome you can from those assets and make sure.

1064
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: That well that's a political habitato at the moment, so

1065
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: it is. It is.

1066
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: But by the same token, we've we've done a lot

1067
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: of things in and around venues. We've worked, we've we've

1068
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: changed the way we we we we manage whether it's

1069
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: the it's the catering, uh, and how we how we

1070
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: attract attract more content into our stage. Good luck on

1071
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: like art though, well like us not really it's not

1072
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: a venues asset. It's owned by the local government.

1073
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: But I know what they want. They want contribution from

1074
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: you guys.

1075
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's then there's a lot of

1076
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a lot of requests out

1077
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: there at the moment mark we're just trying to juggle

1078
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: it all.

1079
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: And I understand that's the best outcome.

1080
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: But you know, we can't.

1081
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: Buy you can't pay for everything though, that's the point.

1082
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: And and there are state owned assets that we need

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: to think from a commercial perspective, get the greatest outcome

1084
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: out of them too. So you know, whether it did

1085
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: so and how we manage our venues is really really important.

1086
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm really proud we've done some really some great work

1087
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: in that space.

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01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1089
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: And venues is and that's part of my trip over

1090
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: to Vegas was to have a look at you. We

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: we owned our venues. Assets are owned by the state

1092
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: over there, the venues and by private operators or you know, so,

1093
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: so it's good to go get some ideas on how

1094
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: how they do things.

1095
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: The roof of the Legion, the roof was great.

1096
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean you were there, were there, what was it,

1097
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: one hundred mile wins bloody pouring right and you're walking

1098
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: there and you thought they were in heaven. It was beautiful.

1099
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: I just had a shirt on, I didn't have to worry.

1100
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: But it's quite cold out on that because once we

1101
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: walked outside it was bloody freezing. I have one more

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: question for your minister as Minister for Sport. Any chance

1103
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: to get in the UFC back here in Sydney. I

1104
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: don't want to gather in Perth. I don't want to

1105
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: go to it. Look, I mean, can you get.

1106
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: Well, we've connected, We've got the four fights that we we've.

1107
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: Got moft away, there's four more coming, three more coming

1108
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: or more coming?

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01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: Pretty sure?

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01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: It's yeah, good, yeah, because I think Sydney siders, I mean,

1111
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: I know that the one of the newspapers went harder

1112
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: at you guys, took court blood Sport and all that

1113
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But I went to Perth UFC. Perth

1114
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: was unbelievably good. Then I came back. Then I went

1115
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: to the Sydney one. There's one more going back in Perth.

1116
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: But we Sydney Siders, we love our UFC. I love

1117
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: the UFC. I think all the young blakes I can know,

1118
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: all the production team here, all young guys under thirty,

1119
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: they love the UFC. Yeah, it's a bit of blood involved,

1120
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: but putting it, making sure that we have some you know,

1121
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: Alix Volkanovski or tied to of us, you know, should

1122
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: we two of us to getting back in the ring

1123
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: or Rob Whittaker. All of them have been on the show,

1124
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: My shows, be fantastic to see. Keep them here in

1125
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: your South Wales. We're now on Perth having him Well, we.

1126
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: Locked that away pretty early, so we've pretty much got

1127
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: it covered over four years and in Sydney and yeah

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: we'll have hopefully the next one will be well titled fight. Yeah. Yeah,

1129
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,479
Speaker 2: But I've got to be honest, I wasn't a real

1130
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: big fan of a UFC. I've met personalities and characters.

1131
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: I've been to a number of events now and I

1132
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 2: fell in love with Bam Bambi.

1133
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: He's quite a smart, very smart guy. Knows exactly what

1134
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: his objective is in terms of making a better life

1135
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: for his family and the only way he's going to

1136
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: do is through doing what he does. But the way

1137
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: he promotes himself actually quite brilliant. There's a lot of

1138
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: thought gone into what he does. I have a lot

1139
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: of respect for the guy, but also folk folks. Unbelievable

1140
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: Rob Rob's back up towards the top of the tree

1141
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: as well.

1142
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: But professional operation I put. I was over there in

1143
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: Vegas and went and visited the facility there was it

1144
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: was amazing and and and you know, like in terms

1145
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: of welfare for athlete welfare, they they are second to none.

1146
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: They look it's really interesting. I'm saying, they're touching. They're

1147
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: connecting up with the p C y C here in

1148
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: New South Wales, which is great to see. Uh and

1149
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: and I I it was it was interestingly also even

1150
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: I think mainly the NRL clubs went over there and

1151
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 2: had a look at those facilities. They were blown away

1152
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: by the amount of investment into into the athlete welfare.

1153
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: I think that that's really important. Extremely professional outfit. I

1154
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 2: still find a little bit brutal, but you know, it's

1155
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: to their own. I was so surprised by the amount

1156
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: of you know, people from real professional backgrounds of about

1157
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: the fight and the appreciation they have for and it's

1158
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: so it's so technical.

1159
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: Well, as a jiu jitsu practicer myself, I just get

1160
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: fascinated with their athleticism and their knowledge about what they're doing,

1161
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: Like it's me and I see a lot of the nuances,

1162
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: not all, but a lot of them, and I just

1163
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: marvel at their athletic ability relative to the nuances the

1164
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: technical stuff that they do. It's quite amazing. Like I

1165
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: just love it.

1166
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: I love watching it at one small little movement so

1167
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: much ridiculous the outcome of fight and yeah, I'm getting

1168
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: across all of that, but no, I think it's it's

1169
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: been great. It's great for sitting. In terms of economic value,

1170
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: it's been fantastic, So you know, and that's what it's about,

1171
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, bringing events like that to Sydney to New

1172
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: South Wales are really important and trap to dollars here, yeah,

1173
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: and trap the dollars here. Look even Taylor Swift removing

1174
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: those caps from lifting the caps the cap of four

1175
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: or five events a year that was just ridiculously a

1176
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: billion dollar asset.

1177
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: Well, she changed the g DP and more just expenditure,

1178
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: household expenditure. This is ridiculous for Australia during her period

1179
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: when she was here at the beginning of this year,

1180
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: actually was up as a result of Taylor Swift's events.

1181
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: That's right, and that's why we have to appreciate that

1182
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: being able to bring content like that into the country

1183
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: is extremely valuable to our economy. And that's why I

1184
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: was over there in Vegas having a look at what

1185
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: else we could attract. What went out, went out to

1186
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: the Vegas Racetrack there and yeah, and spoke to NASCAR

1187
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: there and how to look at what opportunities there are

1188
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: for New South Wales because we love It's an absolute

1189
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: eye opener. We love our sport. But they know they

1190
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: do it very well. They know, yeah exactly, and they

1191
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: know how to promote and they know how to bring

1192
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: in the investor base too. It's really just just gone

1193
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: over and seeing the Golden Knights. I mean, we're in Vegas.

1194
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: Start in Nevada had like I think one hundred grassroots

1195
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: ice hockey participants in the whole of the state within

1196
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: a matter of six years, they've won the They've won

1197
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: the national the title. I'm not sure what the name

1198
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: of it is, but they won the title. There's just

1199
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: got a cult following. It's got like seven thousand people

1200
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: now participate in grassroots. It's a desert state. Participate in

1201
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: ice hockey, say ah, that sport way and never get

1202
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: embraced in this state or in this country. It can

1203
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: depends on how you can promote it. And that's why

1204
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: I see the importance of promoting of the rugby league.

1205
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: The approach and was approach to Vegas, and it is

1206
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: a long term approach. It's over five years. I think

1207
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 2: it can only be good for the game.

1208
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: Well, Minister for new ideas, that's what I'm going to

1209
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: call you, Steve Can. Thanks so much for coming in mine.

1210
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me money