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Speaker 1: The experts with Jason Lauren, your vessel specialists who specialize

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Speaker 1: in very special things.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Kelly Hopps and I'm an animal behavior specialist at

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Speaker 3: Werribee Open Range.

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Speaker 4: Soon let's hear from the expert.

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Speaker 5: So, yes, we are joined by an animal behavior expert.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully she can teach us how to deal with Lauren. Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Morning Kelly morning. All right, we

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Speaker 4: have many questions.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, favorite animal.

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Speaker 3: Lion or why love lions? I love the way that

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Speaker 3: they have a really kind of tight knit group. The

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Speaker 3: females run the show. The guys are kind of the

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Speaker 3: brute strength, Okay, whatever, but the females are the brains,

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Speaker 3: and they're so good at raising. They're young, and they're

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Speaker 3: just a really cool animal and so smart.

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Speaker 5: You're a behavior specialist, can you tell by looking at

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Speaker 5: an animal when it's going to attack?

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Speaker 3: They give us look animals to communicate effectively.

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Speaker 1: This is what she does. She would be able to.

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Speaker 3: Tell animals are really really fantastic communicators. We are not

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Speaker 3: so great at picking up on their ques. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: they give us lots and lots of signals that they're

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Speaker 3: not feeling that they're not feeling good or they're feeling

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable in a situation, and it's up to us to

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Speaker 3: be able to read those cues and say, all right,

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Speaker 3: you're not feeling comfortable, I'm going to back off and leave.

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Speaker 1: You see them colp and you know they're going to go.

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Speaker 2: Just don't go near them, No, leave them alone. I reckon,

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Speaker 2: Are there any animals that are untrainable or what is

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Speaker 2: the hardest animal?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? No animal is untrainable. Say humans are the hardest

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Speaker 3: animal to train. Every organism that is living learns. That's

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Speaker 3: how we survive.

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Speaker 4: You're telling me we could try. I could train an ant,

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Speaker 4: absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 3: We've trained crocodiles, frogs. What's the hardest, I'd say there's

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Speaker 3: there's It depends on the individual. Depends on the individual, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, get like a smart crocodile or a dumb crocodile.

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Speaker 4: Crocodiles are so smart.

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Speaker 3: They were one of the animals when I first kind

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Speaker 3: of started doing this role that just blew my mind

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Speaker 3: at their intelligence.

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Speaker 1: What are you training them to do? Like jump? I

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Speaker 1: could see, well with the dolphins, no.

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Speaker 3: Care, so it's all for their kind of healthcare. So

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Speaker 3: we're able to we're able to medicate them or weigh them,

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Speaker 3: because that's a really important part of their care.

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Speaker 1: How do you weigh a crocodile, Well, you.

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Speaker 3: Can ask them to station. So a station or a

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Speaker 3: target is when you ask them to move to a space.

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Speaker 4: Can they just walk there? Okay, exactly walk.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty much exactly the same way as you'd call

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Speaker 3: a dog over, But you're doing it in a way

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Speaker 3: that the crocodile might understand or recognize.

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Speaker 1: Can you give me an example, sure, so if.

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Speaker 3: So, Let's say we're training our crocodiles, we would use

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Speaker 3: a station which was like a red reflector on the

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Speaker 3: end of a stick. Pretty simple thing that we just

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Speaker 3: banged together. But when we presented that to the glass

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Speaker 3: of the crocodile's enclosure, the crocodile will come over and

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Speaker 3: investigate that. As soon as it touched its nose to

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Speaker 3: that bit of class where the reflectors give it a

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Speaker 3: bit of food.

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Speaker 4: Throwing a little bit of fish.

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Speaker 2: It's always yeah, good boy, he's a muffin.

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Speaker 5: Follow that reflector Anywhay, Hey, Kelly, did the animals recognize

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Speaker 5: you or remember you?

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Speaker 1: The reason I.

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Speaker 5: Asked you loved because I love the videos where the

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Speaker 5: animal is reunited with its handler and they they.

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Speaker 2: Pretty orphan lie and then we got brought up by

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Speaker 1: Do you have any reunion moments.

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Speaker 3: I definitely have moments that the animals recognized me reunion moments.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I used to work.

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Speaker 3: With a gorilla when I was young and the gorilla

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Speaker 3: and would I would very much like to think there

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Speaker 3: was some recognition there that might just be my If

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Speaker 3: there was, I think there was because there was a

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Speaker 3: there were pleasure grumbles.

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Speaker 4: So they kind of do this like gorilla.

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Speaker 3: So I do think that the animals, again, they're so

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Speaker 3: good at recognizing different things of different people.

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Speaker 2: And one hundred when Missouri me, so what did that mean?

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Speaker 2: Because Clint met Missouri the gorilla and.

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Speaker 4: It picked up to visit him in the UK Poopy.

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Speaker 2: When it got relocated to the UK. I think he

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Speaker 2: recognized you from from home and.

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Speaker 1: Dislike he grabbed his turds and he threw them.

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Speaker 4: Is that in love or hate? It could be both.

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Speaker 3: When we really don't know, you'd have to ask Missouri

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Speaker 3: and be like, was he trying to get your attention?

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Speaker 3: It literally could have been an attention seeking behavior. So

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Speaker 3: he might have been like, I can see Clint, and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to throw some pooda get him to look

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Speaker 3: at me.

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Speaker 4: Is that it was?

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Speaker 1: Let's just say, do you throw yours back?

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Speaker 4: Missouri Kelly. Some people are very critical of.

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Speaker 2: Because obviously we've seen a big movement and we don't

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Speaker 2: make dolphins dance anymore, and we don't keep whales, we

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Speaker 2: don't do any of those things that people did in

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Speaker 2: the eighties, and then Tiger King came around, and we

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be keeping tight like we know that. So a

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Speaker 2: lot of people don't think zoos are good places.

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Speaker 4: Is there a place for zoos? Why these animals in

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Speaker 4: a zoo not in the wild?

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Speaker 3: I totally understand your question, Lauren, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: a really good one because there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: zoos around the world, and people are in animals that

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Speaker 3: probably aren't doing it in the best way that they could.

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Speaker 3: I do think there's a great place for zoos and

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Speaker 3: zee's Victoria. We have such a high welfare standard and

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Speaker 3: we're constantly improving that nobody does everything at one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: We're constantly learning about new ways that we can improve

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Speaker 3: the health and welfare of around Aimal. There's like a

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Speaker 3: list of zoos that like people should go to knowing

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Speaker 3: that they're the right kind of zoos. Sometimes, like I

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Speaker 3: found myself at places and I'm like, oh, this doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel feel right. Yeah, you can check the accrediting body

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Speaker 3: bodies of zoos around the world to make sure that

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Speaker 3: they're credited.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Kelly, is it true. I've told this to many

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Speaker 2: many people here that giraffe I went on this funny story.

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Speaker 4: Actually I went on a date ones.

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Speaker 2: And years ago and this guy asked me, like what

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Speaker 2: I my hobbies were, and I said, I studied to

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Speaker 2: be zoologists.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I made it up. I panicked

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Speaker 4: and I started reeling off giraffe facts.

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Speaker 2: And giraffes have the biggest hearts of all the land animals, Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Kelly is not agreeing with it.

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Speaker 3: They need very well the blood very well be the case.

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Speaker 2: They need to beat their heart and it needs to

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Speaker 2: go all the waut their neck to the heads and

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Speaker 2: when they bend down, the valve in the neck.

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Speaker 4: Shuts it off so the blood doesn't rush to their head.

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Speaker 3: Lauren, you've got it like you've got it right.

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Speaker 4: That was you should be a zoologist.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You're basically did it work out with the shocked I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Kelly, thank you so much coming in this morning.

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Speaker 5: Wear we open range zoo. Get out there. The animal's

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Speaker 5: on in the zoo, you know. Yeah, We're at a

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Speaker 5: zoo the other day and before they put the lions

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Speaker 5: out in the enclosure, people were paying to walk through

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Speaker 5: the lion enclosure and see the environment.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get that, did you.

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Speaker 5: I and the people's family were watching, taking photos, and

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Speaker 5: my eight year old was like, now's a good time

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Speaker 5: to release the lions.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sorry. Hey Kelly, thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, kel.

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Speaker 4: Lauren wake up feeling good on number one hundred. Lauren

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Speaker 4: on social