1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, December nineteenth. Alan Jones will plead not guilty 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: to thirty four indecent assault charges relating to incidents that 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: are alleged to have taken place over nearly two decades. 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: I will not be engaging in a running commentary in 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the media, but. 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: I want you to understand this. These allegations are all 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: either baseless or they distort the truth. 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: The veteran broadcaster was swamped by media and protesters outside 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: Sydney's Downing Center Local Court on Wednesday, but he won't 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: return for future proceedings after New South Wales Chief Magistrate 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Michael Allen excused him from appearing in person. That exclusive 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: story is live right now at the Australian dot com 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: dot au. The government was spend almost sixty billion dollars 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: this financial year and it could drag out the central 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: banks fight against inflation. The Treasurer says the cash splash 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: is unavoidable. But what does that actually mean. That's today's episode. 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: Well, we're rolling out very substantial cost of living help, 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: you know, because people are doing it tough. 20 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Jim Chalmers made it rain. 21 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: That's the motivation for the tax cuts, the energy bill relief, 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: the cheaper medicines, cheaper earlier childhood education, the student debt relief, 23 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: the rent assistance, and getting wages moving again. We've been 24 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: able to find room in our budgets for cost of 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: living relief. 26 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: In his mid year Economic and Fiscal Outlook Update, also 27 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: known as my IFO, the Treasurer announced government spending will 28 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: surge by just over fifty eight billion dollars in this 29 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: financial year. 30 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: This is a bit of a truth tonic. It tells 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: us where our economy is heading, and particularly it gives 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: us a really strong profile of the sea of red 33 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: that awaits any government over the next ten years. 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: Tom Ducivic is The Australian's Policy editor, so this is. 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: A pretty bracing set of numbers for anybody to look at. 36 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: Our revenue miracle of the past few years is over, 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: and now some of the forever spending pressures are coming home. 38 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: These new numbers will bump the government's share of GDP 39 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: that's gross domestic product, up to a level we haven't 40 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: seen since the recession of the early nineteen eighties and 41 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: the coronavirus pandemic, and it means we're staring down the 42 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: barrel of a decade of record budget deficits totally more 43 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: than one hundred and forty billion dollars. But this uptick 44 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: in spending does doesn't include Labour's Future Made in Australia 45 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: Net zero investment scheme, or it's sixteen billion dollar plan 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: to slash student debt. So what is the government splashing 47 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: all that cash on. One of the most expensive items 48 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: on the list is reforms to the National Disability Insurance Scheme, 49 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: which the Treasurer says is unavoidable. There's also funding for 50 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: welfare payments and pensions, plus an unexpected jump in demand 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: for government services like medicare. 52 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: One of the big drivers of the extra spending in 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: the budget update today, as you know, and which is uncontested, 54 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: is indexation of things like the age pension, working age 55 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: payments and the like. 56 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: And there's a sneaky five point five billion dollar election 57 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: war chest which will be used for cost of living 58 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: relief measures likely to be announced in the run up 59 00:03:53,680 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: to the next federal election. Jim Charmers deployed another of 60 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: his trusty catchphrases to explain the government's fifty eight billion 61 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: dollar blowout. 62 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: Even if you look at the net policy decisions, you know, 63 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: seventeen and a half billion dollars in net policy decisions. 64 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: We think something like ninety four percent of that is 65 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: a combination of genuinely unavoidable already provisioned cost of living 66 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: or supported in a bipartisan way. 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: But what does that actually mean. 68 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: It's unavoidable in the sense that governments make choices, and 69 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: once they make those choices, they decide on certain forever 70 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: programs basically payments on social welfare for programs, and some 71 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: of those are linked to inflations, so it means that 72 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: you have to do indexation. Sometimes you win on indexation 73 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: in the sense that you've got to return a certain 74 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: amount to the people receiving those payers, but at the 75 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: other end, it punishes every wage urner through what we 76 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: call bracket creep or fiscal drag, where wage inflation just 77 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 4: basically pushes our average tax rates up, and so the 78 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: governments tend to be winners from that, and they get 79 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: a really big boost from revenue, so the two things 80 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 4: net each other out. But in this case, Charmers is 81 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 4: just using a big excuse to try and point to 82 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 4: those factors outside of his control as driving it. But 83 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: that's not the full picture. The full picture is that 84 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: in the main the government's own decisions on spending is 85 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: what is driving this blowout in the budget. 86 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Of course, labor is still waging a war against stubborn 87 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: inflation and desperately hoping the Reserve Bank will cut interest 88 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: rates before the next election in a bid to win 89 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: back the trust of voters struggling under a cost of 90 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: living crisis. It says pumping an additional fifty eight billion 91 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: dollars into the economy won't exacerbate the problem or prolong 92 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: the agony. 93 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: The Reserve Bank governor has herself said that public demand 94 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: is not the main game when it comes to inflation 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: and interest rates. And what we've been able to do 96 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: with the very responsible way we've been managing the budget 97 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: is we've seen inflation come off substantially. When we came 98 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: to office, it was money. 99 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: But history tells us that the more money you put 100 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: into people's pockets by way of bill relief and subsidized services, 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: the more they'll spend on necessities like food and rent. 102 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: But the more we pump into the economy, the harder 103 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: it is to bring inflation down. 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: So what gives the government here is been coy and 105 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: not quite telling the full truth on this because it's 106 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: own spending in this year, after you account for inflation 107 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: is going to go up by five point seven percent. 108 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing you do when you're in 109 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: a recession or facing a crisis. 110 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: But we're not there. Our unemployment rate is low, the 111 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: economy is still growing. We've got new people coming into 112 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: the country and making the size of the economy larger. 113 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: But what you've also got is state and territory governments, 114 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: some of them who've faced elections, have been spending like 115 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: crazy on all sorts of things like public transport concessions, 116 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: energy bill relief. Those sorts of things just pumps more 117 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: money into an economy. So as the Great Chris Richardson says, 118 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: that's more dollars chasing the same amount of goods in 119 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: an economy, and prices rise, and that pushes up inflation, 120 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: and that keeps interest rates high. 121 00:07:53,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: Coming up the treasurer is chickens come home to roost. 122 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Since winning government in twenty twenty two, Jim Chalmers has 123 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: been quick to take credit for Australia's economic wins. 124 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: For the first time in almost two decades, our Labor 125 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: has delivered back to back budget surpluses. This is a 126 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: really important demonstration of them. 127 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: And he hasn't hesitated to blame the opposition for leaving 128 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: the government's books in what he says is a bad 129 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: way the Labor government. 130 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: When we came to office, these were two big liberal 131 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: deficits and we've managed to turn them into two big 132 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: labor surpluses. 133 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: But deficits projected to plague the budget over the next 134 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: several financial years means it's getting harder for Jim Chalmers 135 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: to shirk responsibility. 136 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 5: After three budgets and potentially a fourth if Labor do 137 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: hand down a budget on March twenty five next year, 138 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 5: Charmers can no longer blame the coalition. 139 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is the Australian's chief political correspondent. 140 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 5: I think for voters and business owners and others doing 141 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 5: it tough out there, this is now Labour's cost of 142 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 5: living crisis and housing affordability crisis to own, and it's 143 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 5: going to be one of his great political challenges is 144 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 5: to respond to that. So there's all types of high 145 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: level players going on, but people should be expecting from 146 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 5: both sides some really big promises, and the pressure for 147 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: the coalition is to, instead of sitting in that rhetorical space, 148 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 5: to actually put some meat on the bones and talk 149 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 5: about where they will find savings. And Angus Taylor today, 150 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 5: again concerned about the political blowback, says it's not about austerity, 151 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: it's about restraint. 152 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: Ahead of Wednesday's MAIFO announcement, the treasure that characterized Labour's 153 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: almost sixty billion dollar blowout as slippage. 154 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: If this is Jim Chalmers's final budget announcement before a 155 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 5: federal election, he'll be going to an election without being 156 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 5: able to champion those surpluses, but rather defending a decade 157 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 5: of deficits and higher spending under labor. So they're saying 158 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 5: that they need to spend on unavoidable automatic spending. Some 159 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 5: of that is highly questionable given the links to labor policy, 160 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 5: but it comes down to a matter of whether or 161 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 5: not the government has the courage politically to rain in 162 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 5: some of that structural spending. It seems like they don't 163 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 5: have that appetite and that's where the pressure goes towards 164 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 5: the coalition to see what their plan is. But ultimately 165 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: today's my AFA was a really difficult one for Jim 166 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: Charmers to shine some positive light on. 167 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is The Australian's chief political correspondent and Tom 168 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: Ducivic is our policy editor. You can read all our 169 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: reporting and analysis of the government's media budget update right 170 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot au