Speaker 1: Approject production, you know, lucky like a sati. I like,
Speaker 1: I'm anti it now, but I was. I was. I
Speaker 1: was wanted for a knife attack, which I fight against
Speaker 1: now with my charity. But I was. I tried to
Speaker 1: stab someone they called the old Bill and me I
Speaker 1: was wanted for that. They found me in I went
Speaker 1: on a missing person so a danger person's think where
Speaker 1: they were going to go on TV and say have
Speaker 1: you seen this guy? But I was in a petrol
Speaker 1: station in York with with this girl and a guy
Speaker 1: held the door open and as he turned round he
Speaker 1: see us, and I hope he watches this year. I
Speaker 1: really hope he watches this. He opened the door for
Speaker 1: me and he turned around, took one look at me,
Speaker 1: and let go of the door. And it smacked me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't know he didn't like, well I looked
Speaker 1: or whatever, but he wasn't holding the door open for me,
Speaker 1: but he was holding it and then he released it
Speaker 1: after he looked at me, and it smacked me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I said, I said wait for me outside. I
Speaker 1: played for the petrol. Yeah. I was in this car.
Speaker 1: So I was. I was a lump then I was
Speaker 1: I was absolutely massive. I was a unit and I
Speaker 1: was in this tiny little Pergo two six quite in
Speaker 1: his car. But this guy outside he gets in his car.
Speaker 1: He had an alpha a male, a purple out for
Speaker 1: a male. And he gets in his car and as
Speaker 1: I've gone walking towards him, he goes like this, locks
Speaker 1: his car and smiles, Yeah, like he's safe in his car,
Speaker 1: like cocky. I started smashing. I started punching the windows.
Speaker 1: I kicked the door in. He didn't know what was
Speaker 1: going and I'm trying to handle. He started driving off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm hanging onto the car. Yeah, he's driving off.
Speaker 1: He's literally not waiting for no traffic. Mate. I'm telling
Speaker 1: here it is stupid, stupid, Yeah, because I put so
Speaker 1: many people in danger that day because he just drove
Speaker 1: out in the traffic. I fell off the car and
Speaker 1: as I'm screaming at this guy, I turned around and
Speaker 1: when I turned around, there's a cop There's a cop
Speaker 1: cart sitting there, and the cops were standing there and
Speaker 1: they went, what's going on? I went I turned around
Speaker 1: and been like to get in the cards chase him.
Speaker 1: And as I've turned around, the cops are standing they go,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I was like, uh, and I wanted
Speaker 1: and I'm stating there like nothing. They go, we just
Speaker 1: see you keep that car. I said, no, you didn't,
Speaker 1: So you did? I said no. I said he closed
Speaker 1: his door when I was leaning on it, and he
Speaker 1: had my jacket in his car and he took me
Speaker 1: with him. They were like really, I went yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he didn't know that I was attached to his car.
Speaker 1: I don't think, but he's drive off now. And they
Speaker 1: took it. They took it. They went into the petrol
Speaker 1: station and they said, is that guy? Do you know
Speaker 1: this guys? I said again, I was in the petrol station.
Speaker 1: I was fine, yeah, And they went in they said, no,
Speaker 1: he's fine. And so now I'm thinking I'm getting nicked.
Speaker 1: I'm getting took from York back to Ipswich. Right, so
Speaker 1: I'm kicking off out of this coppers because it's authority
Speaker 1: and I'm like, mate, what's your problem? Like, let's just
Speaker 1: what's that? Go? Calm down? What can we do? Calm
Speaker 1: me down? So let me go. He said what's your name?
Speaker 1: And I went Paul Read? He went, yeah, Paul Read.
Speaker 1: It's because the Read was my stepdad's name, the durable guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So whilst he's talking to me, he's doing a check
Speaker 1: on Paul Rigid. Yeah, and there's like nothing. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like nothing for me. So they go all mate off
Speaker 1: you go. I was like yeah, it was like yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like no mate, had a good day. And
Speaker 1: they've gone YouTube like no more of that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what we're talking about getting
Speaker 1: a car? And I got off what that was? Me done?
Speaker 1: What I was getting what I was getting took back?
Speaker 1: Do you do you?
Speaker 2: I get a persona of coppers in England that I
Speaker 2: want to sound like in a bad way, but are
Speaker 2: they all fucking dumb?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they're all dumb or they've got that small
Speaker 1: person mentality where they were bullied so they feel like
Speaker 1: they have to lay that authority down and everybody to
Speaker 1: be a you know, because.
Speaker 2: Are here, there's probably any everywhere over the world. Everyone
Speaker 2: laughs at the fucking English coppers because they don't carry
Speaker 2: a fucking gun. They carry they still carry their fucking
Speaker 2: stupid hats on their fucking head. They've still all they
Speaker 2: have is the fucking battern and they just get given
Speaker 2: it every fucking day by people, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I don't know it's.
Speaker 1: Like, as as irritating as the police are here, we're
Speaker 1: pretty gifted because, like you say, they haven't got guns,
Speaker 1: they haven't got they haven't got anything. I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 1: I've come across some street of coppers in my time
Speaker 1: where I've been banned the rights and they just let
Speaker 1: me go because I've been too aggressive for him. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? They can't manage it. But
Speaker 1: my face went out on the the police data base
Speaker 1: and I want to miss it once a person and yeah,
Speaker 1: I come up as a missing person. So because I
Speaker 1: come up as a missing person and an urgent person
Speaker 1: to to get off the street because I'd run away
Speaker 1: from a mental institution, I was schizphrenic. Right, Well, you
Speaker 1: put up as dangers. Yeah, so I was a danger
Speaker 1: to the public. That's what it was. It was danger
Speaker 1: to the public. Do not approach, just call the police,
Speaker 1: which again I'm not proud of now. But then it
Speaker 1: was awesome because I was like, it was the mentality
Speaker 1: that I wanted everyone to see me to be because
Speaker 1: I thought that I had respect from everybody. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't that there's no respect on the street. There's nothing.
Speaker 1: It's lonely. You're lonely. As much as you feel like
Speaker 1: you're a part of something big, you ain't. You're nothing.
Speaker 1: You're just a person that is willing to do. We're
Speaker 1: a little bit more than the next person, and people
Speaker 1: will love you for that, and they'll use you for that,
Speaker 1: and then they'll throw you away. Nobody nothing, You are
Speaker 1: nothing at all, And they put me out on the APB.
Speaker 1: I'll come up as like this person, they found me,
Speaker 1: So I didn't go on the forty eight hour missing TVF.
Speaker 1: We're looking for this person, please find them. So now
Speaker 1: they found me in York, I've had to leave York.
Speaker 1: I've gone back to Manchester. I'm living in Manchester on
Speaker 1: Moss Side, which was wild wild. Moss Side is a
Speaker 1: is a is a place mate, So I'm over there.
Speaker 2: I actually, I actually when I was when I got
Speaker 2: got my driver's license and I was seventeen years old,
Speaker 2: my fucking mate dared me to drive to Manchester and
Speaker 2: go through Moss Side and I remember fucking fucking night
Speaker 2: we got up there, and I swear I just didn't
Speaker 2: think I was gonna like it's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've ever been to Liverpool, and there's a there's
Speaker 2: a place exactly like it called Granby Street, and the
Speaker 2: fucking it's the same thing. And he dared me to
Speaker 2: do the same thing there, and I fucking stored my car,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It's just like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: So I know what you're fucking talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just madness. But you know who
Speaker 1: you were with everyone there? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know where you are with everyone? There is no
Speaker 1: there's no hidden agendas. Everyone is on the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is real dangerous because you've always got people at
Speaker 1: hand to do jobs. So you're just you're never not
Speaker 1: out of trouble. You're always in trouble because if you
Speaker 1: don't stick up for the person in the street, you
Speaker 1: ain't help them in the street, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So but did you did you follow suit? O?
Speaker 2: But by being it, by being in that area, did
Speaker 2: you like do you think you know, like with everyone
Speaker 2: else what they were doing, did.
Speaker 1: You follow suit with them? Mate? I didn't listen. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't fall in line with nobody. I didn't fall
Speaker 1: in line with nobody. I I wanted it, I was
Speaker 1: hungry for it. I was bred to be that person.
Speaker 1: So I was always game. It wasn't like do you
Speaker 1: want to come? It was like I'm in, you know.
Speaker 1: I was always I was the game person that was
Speaker 1: ready to go. And that's where I made the biggest
Speaker 1: mistake because I felt like doing more doing doing the
Speaker 1: things that led me to be not so much feared
Speaker 1: but to be unpredictable. Led me to believe that I
Speaker 1: had love where it wasn't because I was looking for
Speaker 1: something that I never had as a child, and that was.
Speaker 2: You felt wanted by everybody else because of the fact
Speaker 2: that they wanted you for who, what you were, like,
Speaker 2: what you could do for them, and so you felt
Speaker 2: wanted because you didn't get that from your mom or
Speaker 2: your father, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was crazier I was the more people wanted
Speaker 1: me around, you know what I mean. And I thought
Speaker 1: that I was truly I felt like I belonged somewhere
Speaker 1: where I wasn't actually supposed that I wasn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: belong there, you know, because the love from the street
Speaker 1: was the greatest thing ever. When I had nothing, I
Speaker 1: didn't even have my soul, I never had anything. I
Speaker 1: surrendered to everybody around me, and I was willing to die.
Speaker 1: I was willing to go to jail. I was willing
Speaker 1: to give up everything on who I was to be
Speaker 1: a part of this society. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Mean this family, this unit of just security because ain't
Speaker 1: no one touching us when we're together in a group,
Speaker 1: you know. And again it's not it wasn't gang mentality.
Speaker 1: It was family.
Speaker 2: And now where's where's your where's your where's your proper family?
Speaker 2: When this is going on? Though, when you when you're
Speaker 2: in Manchester with.
Speaker 1: Are they they're doing their own thing. My brothers my
Speaker 1: brother was off doing he'sting because he got into drugs
Speaker 1: pretty heavy and he was off doing his thing. And
Speaker 1: my sisters and my mum they're like super close, so
Speaker 1: it's like them, and then it's like me and my
Speaker 1: brother are the the other. We'd get contacted if something
Speaker 1: was going wrong or they needed some cash or something
Speaker 1: would get I'd get the call for the cash, and
Speaker 1: my brother, my brother and me would get the call
Speaker 1: if if they something someone had said something to the
Speaker 1: family would come back and we'd deal with it and
Speaker 1: then go back and carry on with what we were doing.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the worst thing you've done. Well, I
Speaker 1: haven't really done a lot by law of previction, but
Speaker 1: like the alleged crimes, what I've been alleged to have done,
Speaker 1: you know is.
Speaker 3: Allegedly we'll go with allegedly, Yeah, allegedly.
Speaker 1: Allegedly there was you know, guns and the attempted murder
Speaker 1: thing and which I found not guilty on. And what
Speaker 1: was it like?
Speaker 2: What was your stock now like that.
Speaker 1: We should have had this conversation?
Speaker 2: What what what was it like? So allegedly you you've
Speaker 2: you've had weapons, right, You've you've seen weapons before. What
Speaker 2: was it like being that to actually see it?
Speaker 1: Powerful? Powerful? I've only need to I only seen this
Speaker 1: stuff in on TV. And as like when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, I was so naive to the world because
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything happened outside the house because I
Speaker 1: was never allowed out of the house. So when I
Speaker 1: started seeing this, you're progressing so fast in the criminal
Speaker 1: underworld that you become somebody but really your nobody. Like
Speaker 1: there's so there's there's so many levels of criminal and
Speaker 1: in them levels you can be in that same So
Speaker 1: me and you could be in the same level of criminal,
Speaker 1: but your version of that criminal could be like your nuts,
Speaker 1: or you'll use a weapon, you'll shoot someone where I
Speaker 1: would kill someone with my hands. You know. It was
Speaker 1: kind of like that. So you can progress in a
Speaker 1: group so much because you don't need to be hard.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be a murderer. You don't need
Speaker 1: to be a tall man, you don't need to be
Speaker 1: a thief. If you're game, you're all the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Because if you had
Speaker 1: a specific tool you fight in, or your height, your stature,
Speaker 1: your aggression, your your kindness could talk to someone where
Speaker 1: you couldn't get money off of like, you would all
Speaker 1: be that same value. You're just used a different way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And brother, I was used. I was used just as
Speaker 1: much as you were used. And it hurts because but
Speaker 1: what would that what.
Speaker 2: In what way? Do you feel used? Though? Like you
Speaker 2: did you feel used in the way that they've used
Speaker 2: your foot for your ability and for your for your
Speaker 2: what you can do for them? Or do you feel
Speaker 2: used because do you feel like it was a waste
Speaker 2: of years?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. But at the same time, I can
Speaker 1: say it's a I can say it's a waste of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's curved me to be who I am today.
Speaker 1: And I'm a great man today, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I'm a great I do a lot
Speaker 1: today that that showed that that gives real respect and
Speaker 1: strength to my community rather than take it away. So
Speaker 1: it has curved me to be a better person and
Speaker 1: it you know, without that, I probably wouldn't be who
Speaker 1: I am today. So I can thank that as well
Speaker 1: as I can still regret it. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?